
Good on ya, Jay Carney, for being the first pundit out of the gate:
With that grim statement, I—and, presumably, many other listeners—assumed that the former North Carolina Senator and top-tier contender for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination was ending his campaign, or at least suspending it.
Yes, because Elizabeth Edwards is now a cripple. Handicapped, a withering violet who must be banished from public life, consigned to the fainting couch. Quick, somebody fetch the laudanum and lace hankies.
Instead, Edwards said nothing would change; his campaign would continue and Elizabeth would be by his side on the road. Elizabeth spoke about the importance of her husband's campaign, how the country needs him to be president. Both said there was never a debate yesterday, as they were receiving the news about her condition, about whether he should drop out of the race. John said that when the two of them were alone, Elizabeth was concerned about everyone but herself—her children, her husband and her country, in that order, but not herself.
He clearly meant it to be inspiring, but there is also something discomfiting about that statement. Even more discomfiting was Edwards' claim that by soldiering on while his wife has incurable cancer, he would be proving that he could deal with the pressures of being president. I wonder how voters will react to that sentiment.
Edwards is staying in the race, so the effect of today's announcement on the Democratic contest will be limited. But there will be an effect. Despite his and his wife's optimism, political professionals, donors, activists and regular voters will all have to wonder going forward whether or not Edwards will be able to stay in the race all the way to the end. It is certainly true that with effective treatment, Elizabeth Edwards could live many years. But it is also true that even the best treatment isn't always effective, and that bone cancer is particularly lethal. Edwards' supporters, and surely many average Americans, have to be wondering at what point the candidate will decide that his duties as husband and father to three children, including a 6 and 8 year old, trump his duty to his country and the cause of winning the White House.
So says Dr. Jay Carney, board certified in...um...well, we'll get back to you on that.
Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have so far overshadowed Edwards in this race, but he is a top-tier candidate and a real threat to win the nomination. He leads most polls in the key first-caucus state of Iowa, which he came close to winning in 2004. To put it bluntly, Edwards is the leading white male Democratic contender for a job that has only ever gone to white males. If, in the future, he either suspends his campaign or drops out of the race entirely, his supporters will have to look around and decide which of the remaining candidates comes closest to fulfilling the promise they saw in him.
For the good of the nation (and presumably white males everywhere, who need to have a champion in the race according to white male Carney), Elizabeth Edwards is no longer entitled to free will, self determination, and certainly not capable of making decisions about her own life. Nor is she entitled to respect for her choices which we think are honorable but are really just selfish. No, she and her husband owe it to white males everywhere to do the brave thing. Edwards must forthwith kneel by her bedside, teardrops falling on her porcelain hand as he scribbles love sonnets with parchment and quill. Because let's face it, she's got one foot in the grave.
Who the fuck does he think she is, Elizabeth Barrett Browning? What patronizing drivel. How thoroughly offensive.
Update: Signs of intelligent life at Time.
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First!
Well fucking said!
Expect to be offended. Maybe we should get Dr. Frist’s opinion too.
thanks Jane - as a white male I feel so under-represented in society and government…
So when is Carney going to start beating Guiliani and Gingrich for not taking better care of their own families in crunch time?
What a hack, a complete shill.
Corporate media is dead because of the likes of Carney.
Fucker Tarlson reading from the column right now… what an idiot!
Sachem515 @ 3
The first thing that came to me also.
What a fucking concern troll.
You GO, Jane!!!!
Would that whoop-ass were a cure for idiocy!
Attaturk @
2
amen.
As a freind of both John and Elizabeth and as I white male that cries at the drop a bloody hat ( I am Irish born and bred) and as someone who is taking a damned break from my sister inlaws death bed in a hospice I can only say fu*k
And I wish you the absolute best…
Fucktards. They got nothing.
Limbaugh, that despicable drug-addicted tool, wasted no time in describing the Edwards’ as “taking advantage of a political opportunity” or some such bullshit.
Carlson is a boob.
Let’s cut Dr. Carney some slack–he probably had to write that piece on the fly after his editors told him to scrap the draft of his first column, arguing that it certainly would be better for Ms. Edwards’s morale if we didn’t tell her about her diagnosis and prognosis.
As a middle-aged white male, may I say: The Edwards’ showed amazing grace this morning and I know will be able to deal with condescending anal orifices like Carney. It’s just too bad that the kewl kidz like him are given such a voice in the world.
Rayne @
5
Um, yeah.
If you’re a Republican it’s okay to ditch your wife when she’s got cancer, but a Democrat who stands by her? How selfish.
dr. bloor @ 13
Welcome, dr. bloor - you funny!
I know where the Edwards are coming from because I have a tumor in my chest that is active but not growing. Our course of action is to just keep monitoring the thing. We’ve been monitoring the tumor for almost five years now.
It’s always in the back of my mind that my status could change tomorrow but I refuse to allow this tumor to call the shots in my life. I will continue to live my life as I wish, doing the things I want to do. I refuse, as Edwards said, to hide in a corner. If I did that, the cancer would have won because I gave up fighting it emotionally.
The Edwards are the only ones who can speak with authority on their situation. They are the only ones who can make the decisions they need to make.
My best wishes to the Edwards family.
Lucky for Carney, one can’t post comments on the Time site re his drivel.
so, are we sharpening up our steelin’ knives and daggers?
Jane Hamsher @
15
Hell, I’d tell Elizabeth to do something vulgar to Carney (starting with “rip off his head and…”) but we must maintain an elevated tone at all times or poor dear Auntie Jay will need his smelling salts.
Jane Hamsher @ 15
Yes, but when Rudy annulled his first marriage, she was still his second cousin. Do I hear dueling banjoes?
very few of us have any idea how much time we have on this earth - we’re all gonna die.
it’s up to each of us to decide what we’re goning to do with whatever time we have.
i have no admiration for how jay carney is using his time. unlike elizabeth and john edwards - who inspire me.
OldCoastie @ 19
Uh-huh.
I’ve got a nice katana Elizabeth can use if she wants. And I’ll throw in some tantos and a kaiken dagger, too.
TR @
17
I refuse, as Edwards said, to hide in a corner. If I did that, the cancer would have won because I gave up fighting it emotionally.
I do not know what it is about this simple fact that people do not understand. Cancer, AIDS, illness in general…it makes people like Carney “uncomfortable,” therefore those stricken with them must stay out of sight for fear they will remind them of their own mortality.
Remind me again who the sick ones are?
And good for you.
The Republicans have been way off their game lately. The correct response to Elizabeth Edwards’ cancer recurrence from a political perspective would also be the right thing to do. Something along the lines of a statement saying, “We are all praying for Elizabeth Edwards, and we ask that the media repect her and her family and their privacy during this difficult time. Out of respect for Ms Edwards, we will have no further comment on this issue.” Simple, tasteful, elegant. Which is why the Republicans won’t do it. They’ll slime her and her husband. Which is not only sleazy but also politically stupid. Edwards is a very genuine and likable woman, and I have no doubt that her husband is doing what Elizabeth herself wants him to do. I also have no doubt that Elizabeth will be willing to say so. The absolute last thing the Republicans want to do is shine a spotlight on her. She is in a sympathetic position that a lot of people can relate to, many of whom have shitty health insurance. And the Republicans just can’t afford to have her cancer relapse turn into a national discussion on health care.
What a sack of…
Elizabeth has been given a provisional death sentence, to be carried out… sometime.
Which is only slightly more specific than what the rest of us face. How many people have gotten out of this life alive? We’re all going to die. Some of us will die before Elizabeth Edwards does. There’s real irony in that–that some of us, who are feeling sorry for her, and worried about her–are going to shuffle off before she does.
But no one expects us to just curl up and feel sad because we’ll die… someday.
It sucks, being mortal. Being able to see what’s coming to get you–probably–doesn’t make you any more mortal. It just means that morons treat you like you were a marked man–or woman. You still get up, feel good, or bad, that day. Get dressed, eat, hug your family and go out to do stuff that needs doing.
And one day… you die.
Elizabeth Edwards is just getting on with her life.
She deserves credit for not having given into poor-me, and for being so big-hearted and patriotic that she’s not simply willing… but is insisting… that her husband keep trying to do for the country what he’d already set out to do.
Carney and his kind are morons.
Oh, that was GOOD. Nice job, Jane. I’m gonna get a nice glass of wine and re-read this to savor every word. Smack-a-licious.
Phoenix Woman @ 23
can I wear my ninja suit?
I think the wingnuts are really scared of Edwards because if he can get the nomination he’ll have the best chance of winning.
if jay carney hasn’t pissed you off enough already… the snow job on c-span just started.
From your comments, I don’t suppose you’ve ever had a close loved one die of cancer. Though I love your website, I find your comments really out of order and extremely insensitive.
Nauseating. Just nauseating.
Don’t forget…Carney was the one who called the Attorney scandal “left wing, conspiratorial, blog driven paranoia”. What an asshole…
comments from Atrio
“If you are looking for some way to vent frustration a lot of local papers with blogs are asking for reader comments on whether Edwards should drop out!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/bl…reigndesk/ index?
Andrew Ross did you point out that Newtie ranaway
Liars for Bush | Homepage | 03.22.07 - 3:35 pm
I think commentators that take this tack take it at their peril. Really. There are just too many of us that have family and friends that have and have gone through diagnosis. And whether Dems or Repubs, the first thing is always the fight, the life, the courage in dealing and hopefully beating it.
The Edward family was so inspiring today.
I think that Elizabeth will use the asinine comments from Poooor Auntie Jay-Jay and others as motivation to kick both the cancer and their asses to the curb as she works to get her man in the White House.
Go get ‘em, Elizabeth! Let ‘em know what it feels like to have the point of your shoe hitting their gluteal muscles!
“…a real threat to win the nomination.”
Scared, Jay?
iteration-They are a class act, spin that motherfuckers
selise @
22
Very well said.
That’s it. I’m going with John and Elizabeth. I’d been flirting with Obama but today’s announcement settled it for me. If Elizabeth Edwards is willing to give her husband’s campaign her all at this point in her life, then she realizes how dire things are for the country and she thinks he’s something special.
Do endorsements get any better than hers? She’s in it to win it.
OldCoastie @ 28
Sure! Elizabeth’s a warrior; she’ll appreciate it.
Life threatening illness can often clarify the will, the soul, the spirit. It doesn’t have to, but it can.
Jane’s right. Carney is a racist, sexist, condescending prick and deserves much, much scorn.
Mrs. Edwards, once again, best to you.
Peter @
31
I’m guessing this is your first time here. Welcome.
Peter @ 31
Are we a new reader?
Fuckety, fucking, fuck. To hell with all these bastards!
Wow. Edwards is like the Anti-Newt.
Ana Marie Cox over at Time’s swampland says that Carney doesn’t *himself* hold the position(s) he espoused in that piece, which makes it worse:
AMC: I think his point about what voters might think is a good one. He’s not actually making the case that he is wondering about “country vs. family,” he’s laying out an argument about public opinions — which are not always pretty.
Oh Lordy. What a sack of condescending dreck. (And, don’t look now, but Hot Tub Tom is on CNN. Blech.)
I’m sorry, but Elizabeth and John Edwards and their family have talked about what they think is best for them in all of this, treatmentwise and livingwise. Who the hell does Jay Carney think he is to second guess that based on absolutely nothing but some tightness in his overstarched drawers?
Snow up on C-span, lying again. Will a journalist not say, “Hey Tony, why bother to open your mouth, every time you open your mouth no one believes you even if you are telling the truth!”
If they are busting for money for the Occupation Forces in Iraq they could get back all the stolen money form their pals: that should keep them going for a bit.
To fight back is the best therapy especially when your back is against the wall….
OT, but I’m surprised I haven’t seen anyone comment on this yet.
As I’m sure you’ll all remember, the WH’s demands to agree to Congressional conversations with Rove, Miers, et. al, were: private conversation, no oath, no transcript, and no subsequent testimony.
Yet here we have Arlen Spectre arguing in the Senate Judiciary Committee today: “If we don’t like what we get, we can always issue a subpoena.” ( Video: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....013204.php )
I know, I know, they have no shame. But still…
Peter @ 30
my mother, my grandmother, my aunt.. all from cancer, all w/in 15 months…. and during that 15 months i had surgery and tx for cancer too (i was the only one to survive).
oh, and with my mom - i was with her round the clock, sleeping on a cot they put in her room for me, and standing beside her when she died in great pain.
sorry if that was more info that you-all wanted. but i just couldn’t let that go without a response.
Peter @
30
Oh, Peter, I feel so sorry for you. You are so clueless and have no idea who you’re talking to. That’s Ok. After we’re through with you, and you feel properly chastised, we’ll forgive and forget.
Jane Hamsher @ 43
*trying not to bust a gut laughing*
*failing*
Game, set and match to Jane, bane of concern trolls everywhere!
Peter @
31
Yes, I have. So have lots of other people here. Lots of people here have had cancer themselves. What are you talking about?
Peter at 31 — I’m going to put you out of your misery. Jane is currently undergoing chemo for her third bout with breast cancer. Several members of her family have also fought this battle - some won, some lost. For that matter, I, too, had my own lump removed several years ago, thankfully precancerous. We have a lot of cancer survivors in our regular readership.
Jane more than knows of what she speaks.
Who the fuck does he think she is, Elizabeth Barrett Browning?
I truly busted a gut reading this. Well done, Jane.
cleter @ 46
Which is about the best damned thing one can say about him. (Besides that he had the good sense to marry Elizabeth.)
Tony Snow is a nitwit.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 55
We also have a number of people living with HIV, though they’re not public about it.
Jane Hamsher @ 42
jane, you handled that much better than i did. thank you.
mods - please feel free to delete my previous post.
I agree one hundred percent with Attaturk: “Well fucking said!”
Jane, go after the insensitive scumbags. You’ll be doing a great service to the American people.
BTW, Cathy Seipp just died of cancer. She took a lot of shots at me online but in person she was always nice, and she has a really lovely daugher Maia who must be all of 17 right now. Very sad.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,260268,00.html
Aha,
Glad to have that explained to me
I dislike Hillary because she is a woman; not because she is an ineffective leader and has never had a foreign policy thought I agreed with.
And my problems with Obama stem from his color; not his singular political manipulation of his record since his forst day in the Senate (full disclosure: I voted for Obama and had great hopes. Visits to his office and repeated exposure to his (all white) staff have left a bad taste in my mouth)
I must like Edwards for his white skin.
Glad someone explained that to me.
I’m sure we’ll hear a lot more of this kind of crap from the brainiacs on teh cable tonight.
What’s doubly sickening is that Elizbeth Edwards’ remarks were particularly inspiring. My takeaway from the whole thing ran along the lines of — wow, what a team. Why isn’t anybody talking about THAT?
(And for the record, I’m an undecided as far as the 2008 primary goes.)
Well said. Very well said, in fact.
The Edwards are showing leadership in the face of adversity.
Real leadership, not the “let’s check with the consultants first” leadership.
Yes, Edwards, is, indeed a real threat to win the nomination.
A decent man.
More electable than the Hill Obama novelties.
And in comparison to the flakes and slugs on the other side ?
You kidding me ?
Thanks for this post! I really hate the death warrant aspect of a lot of these “she has cancer” stories. By god, STFU if you can’t do anything but pity Elizabeth. Let her live her life. We play the cards we are dealt — that is all any of us can do. I am a breast cancer survivor and I had a completely healthy sister who dropped dead of a stroke when she was 38 years old. Which would YOU think is a better way to go?
Life is promised to noone — no matter how smug or Republican you are!
Pach at 60 — Absolutely. The discussions we’ve had here on World Aids day, among others, are some of the most open and honest about loss from that horrible disease that I have ever been privileged to have. I think most folks in the FDL community have more than lived with tough losses in their lifetimes, as have most people with any ability to feel.
And yet, we move forward…because that is what people with a spine do.
from today’s snow job - bush will veto the house supplemental bill, will not honor subpoenas.
the press are asking some good questions.
selise @ 61
I’m not a mod, but you weren’t out of line, IMO.
Jay Carney smells like a concern troll.
He has managed to disqualify the three leading contenders for the Democratic nomination. Two are not white males, and the other one is duty-bound to drop out of the race because of his wife’s illness. Or, if he continues in the race, Carney implies he is some kind of jerk.
Carney’s “concern” for Edwards’ family is so touching.
OK. I’m totally ready to go beat the fucking shit out of Jay Carney. Seriously, what a fucking douchbag.
Phoenix Woman @
54
Peter may be the “bane of concern trolls” as you say but I think that maybe he is just not understanding what Jane is trying to convey here, that this Carney appears to be feigning concern over his real agenda of tearing down the Edwards bid for the presidency…
Arlen’s Ph 1 202 224 4254
Emergency appropriations bill passed in House.
OldCoastie @ 28
You have a ninja suit? I think I’m jealous.
Jane@24:
Continued good wishes on your ongoing battle.
Peter @ 30:
I HAVE cancer and I don’t have a problem with Jane’s comments. In fact, I agree with her comments completely.
My condolences to Cathy Seipp’s family, especially to her young daughter.
I don’t anyone who’s ever lain down and died when they were told they had cancer, including the one who was told that if the chemo didn’t work, he had a couple of days to a couple of weeks.
Carney probably is scared of cancer (lots of people are) and doesn’t know how to handle the subject. He ought to take lessons from the Edwardses.
neurophius @ 72
It’s not concern. It’s fear.
He knows that he has to do something to kill the sympathy-vote factor, even if it means revealing himself to be a stupid asshole.
LindyH @ 77
yah - goes with my jetpack ;-)
epu’d
jane–
mentioning this again not to blow my own horn, but to blow a horn for you, loud and clear
i hit paypal in your honor a little while ago, (and hit it yesterday, too, after i made out my bills), and to reward you for taking your walk…..
((((fdl))))
and to those of you who live-blog the news shows-my eternal thanks,
no cable, only get pbs and on dial up, so really appreciate the recaps of the shows…….and what’s going on…….
“tightness in his overstarched drawers”
Oh, I just love it when Christy gets all sassy!
And more seriously, It’s just such a shame that people of the beltway ilk must always bring the discussion down to their level. Instead of seeing this announcement as a powerful statement for people who are dealing with great illnesses to live their lives to the hilt, it’s brought down to “bwah, you’re being so political, bwah, you’re showing off, bwah, i hate you because you’re too real, no really, you’re being too real! STOP IT!!!!”
Well, we all live in the real world and it was refreshing today to see two VERY public figures live in it with us.
Advantage Jane.
My, my @
73
I think you are probably right.
Politics as bloodsport. It’s sickening. The Edwards Family is inspiring. The news of Elizabeth’s Cancer is a devastating personal blow to their family. It is time for prayers and grace. Their decision to carry on at this time is surely theirs to make. To claim they are being self serving at this moment is despicable. I have been a supporter of John Edwards since his run in 2004. The white male issue has nothing to do with it. It is the power and conviction of his words. Instead of attacking his views the noise machine attacks his looks, his manliness, his achievements and now his personal tragedy. The Republicans make sick.
Peter @
31
If I may be so bold and go where others do not, I believe you will find that many of the posters here at FDL, including the author of the post we are commenting on, are dealing with cancer themselves; some with multiple recurrences. Most of the rest of us have dealt with it through family or friends. It is reality (such an unreal concept).
(Off my soapbox now)
It is certainly true that with effective treatment, Elizabeth Edwards could live many years.
We might consider a list of fighting Dems who refused to give up when faced with physical adversity:
Franklin Delano Roosevelt - polio
Max Cleland - paraplegic
etc.
and cut-and-run Republicans who abandoned their spouse, family or both:
Newt Gingrich - visited his wife while she was in hospital to let her know he was divorcing her for a trophy
Rudy Giuliani - flouted his mistress repeatedly in front of his family
George W Bush - checked off not wanting to go to Vietnam on his AFNG entrance questionaire
etc.
Peter @ 31
Jane has cancer, Peter. We wish Jane and Elizabeth all strength.
Peter @ 31
Apparently you don’t come around here much. If you did, you’d know that Jane has the most authority and right to speak on this subject of anyone. You might want to do some research before you make stoooopid comments.
Just saying.
To be president means to give everything you have to your country. It’s a tremendous burden. The first family makes incredible sacrifices, too: witness the obsession with the clenis and clintoris, or the nasty things said about Chelsea with impunity.
President Bush is, of course, an exception, with plenty of time for his treadmill, and a nice ranch in Argentina where his daughters can party in private.
Anyhow, all this handwringing over Elizabeth Edwards is absurd. Running for president isn’t like remodeling a kitchen — it demands superhuman strength. So, too, does fighting cancer. And I can’t think of anybody other political figures who have shown more strength, more fortitude than the Edwardses.
cleter @ 46, “the anti-Newt” is brilliant.
Phoenix Woman @ 70
thanks, but it hit too close to home and i typed in anger without thinking… jane was right - it could have been a newbie who didn’t understand what jane was saying or where commenters are coming from.
i should have given the benefit of the doubt. my apologies to peter.
This is one of those days I feel like I’m living on Mars. I was completely unprepared for the wingnut bile over the Edwards’ announcement. Don’t those folks have mommies who taught them manners? Where is Molly Ivins when we need her. She would have the perfect slapdown.
The ReThugs are showing their souls, but this nation isn’t buying anymore.
Peter @
31
Jane Hamsher:
Very good with a hatpin.
Also, I’m no expert on manners or civility, but isn’t it polite to express one’s sadness and support first…and then, after a day or two maybe, start to analyze the damn fall-out.
Condescending drivel and wrong too. Dipstick says “bone cancer is particularly lethal”. Elizabeth Edwards doesn’t have primary bone cancer; she has breast cancer which has metastasized. Big difference.
LOL
I opened the link in another expecting to be in swampland, where I could join in comments. But no, the guy didn’t have the stones to post it there.
Actually, that’s probably unfair–this is a story big enough for dead trees. But it still made me laugh.
What a tool.
Gawddamnitall but this crap by Carney and the rest of the right-wing monkey horde pisses me off.
What would they say about FDR today even as they collect their Social Security checks — that he milked his disability for sympathy votes?
The Republican Party has become the standard for ill-bred, poorly read, untraveled boorishness, and their corporate owned media their disgusting magic mirror.
A pox on their ill-mannered, inconsiderate houses.
It’s not surprising the republic party has to attack edwards looks, and pretend his family doesn’t have the right to make their own decisions about whether or not to continue his campaign because of his wife’s health. What else do they have. They are the party of corruption, war, lies, and convicted criminals.
I’m holding out for Gore, but that doesn’t diminish my respect for the Edwardses. (sp?)
obey on the house floor speaking about the supplemental iraq( ) funding bill. on c-span.
I have to say, America is showing really badly today. The Politico comments were full of Drudge people acting like creeps. It’s really too nasty to visit even after the worst comments were deleted.
In cases like this, it isn’y too hard to say the right thing or the decent thing, and you can always say nothing, or even wait a few days and speak your mind. But I’ve seen dozens of people use this moment as a time to be nasty.
Mike Johnson @
91
Paraguay. Argentina is a REAL country. I doubt Bush would feel comfortable there now. Maybe if he had a time machine to take him back to 1977.
OldCoastie @ 81
**gasp!** a jet pack!
selise @ 101
what did they just vote on, selise? I must be mixed up.
Phoenix Woman @ 36
I am just a macho male, so what do I know? Nevertheless, I think this Christian Louboutin might do.
http://www.stylehive.com/bookmark/104363
It was said today the Elizabeth Edwards cancer in no longer considered “curable”, but rather only “treatable”.
There are many of us who live in such a world and find a way to be happy with what we’ve got today even though the likelihood of seeing our 70th birthday is slim.
What shame that so many people seem to think that life should come to a screeching halt because a loved one has cancer. I just don’t like all this treating it like a death sentence sort of business, just because it’s the big “C” word.
Mrs. Edwards is a human being first. I have no idea what kind of discussions took place between Mr. and Mrs. Edwards and it’s nobody’s business. I speculate, however, that it was her desire for life to go on as usual and for her to do what she has been doing, helping with her husband’s campaign and to deal with health situations as they arise, IF and WHEN they arise. Period.
I have a feeling this Peter person does not quite “get” context.
Slothrop @ 94: Jay Carney’s job isn’t to analyze the fall-out. It’s to create it.
Go Jane! Keep those daggers sharp.
i don’t know… the house temporarily suspended coverage on the iraq supplemental debate for it, and c-span went to tony’s snow job. now congress (and c-span) are back to the debate (i think it is supposed to be 4 hours).
Um, now that we have this nifty new pre-emptive strike doctrine, do you think ANY country would really want to go to the mat to shield American sleazebags from extradition?
punaise @ 100
I spelled it that way earlier, then rephrased. But you’re allowed to make up words, punaise. It may be correct - as in the Joneses…
Sachem515 @ 107
Unfortunately, the wingnuts are neither curable nor treatable.
Latest FaBlog: Fait Divers — The Faggot’s Wife
…and we aren’t even allowed to use copious amounts of duct tape.
My guess is that the further along I get into the campaign season, the less patient I am going to become with the GOP. I might beocme angry too.
I think some of the people making disparaging comments about the Edwardses may belong to the school of thought that ‘if you don’t talk about it, it won’t happen’. It’s a very conservative kind of thought pattern, otherwise known as ‘ignore it and it will go away’.
Ed*ard Teller @ 88
I want every news outlet that mentions this Edwards story, and discusses the implications for 2008, to ALSO mention how GOP candidate Newt handled the EXACT SAME situation. By dumping his sick wife for his mistress. Who he later dumped for his other mistress.
Aw c’mon! If his wife has cancer, Edwards is supposed to abandon his goals and sit at home with the shades pulled, wringing his hands. Because that will help Elizabeth Edwards.
So much.
Cripes.
of course if John McCain or some republican carries on in the face of his wife’s cancer he will be ‘resolute,’ ’steadfast,’ ‘courageous,’ and ’selfless.’
I commented on the Time blog under an post about the Edwards conference and referenced Carney. What a twit. How many women with or without health insurance have to continue doing all the things they normally have to do in their lives to take care of their families and themselves? What does Carney suggested they do, take to their beds until they leave this world? I got news, women are made of incredibly strong stuff (I could make a sexist comment here about men, pain and being ill and why it’s women who bear children, but I shall resist) and by God, we’ll just outlast you.
Thanks, Jane.
I do believe that the nasty concern trolling will backfire on those who attempt it just as surely and effortlessly as you showed Peter@31 to be an ass.
There are just too many of us who, based on our own similar experiences, have to say to the Edwards, especially Elizabeth, “Good for you.”
It’s okay to be angry sometimes….
Best Wishes…
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Slothrop @ 95
Hell’s bells & codfish……..the twits on cable started “analyzing the fall-out” last nite; some of them were close to drooling already. As for the republics, neither manners nor civility are to be found in their DNA.
All best wishes to John and Elizabeth, and admiration for their personal courage.
But when we’re ready again to address the candidate’s stands on matters jeopardizing the lives of millions, his address to the recent Herzliya neocon bloodlust convention scares the crap out of me. Not that Clinton or even Obama offer much better.
Joneses was (were?) my model, so I guess it’s OK.
(PS I know we differ on Gore)
Remember the rabid salivating from the right when Tim Johnson fell ill? Now see this ugly spectacle repeat…
I don’t remember anyone on the left hurling barbs or dripping condescension when Arlen Specter or Craig Thomas were ailing.
Such a glaring difference.
OT
alllllllllriiiiiiiiight!!!!!!!!!
while things spin out of control in one area, another takes hold for the good…….
we’ve been living in a backward republican church-run state in ohio for a while now…..a couple of mega-churches involved in politics here. blatantly involved.
no more…….HA
new ohio dem gov ted strickland pulling funding from abstinence only programs…….money needed elsewhere…….
he !got specific! with what IS needed-education at age-appropriate levels for fewer pregnancies, disease, etc……i am lovin’ him lovin’ him lovin’ him……..
he keeps comin’ with the one-two punches…….doesn’t trip over his own words and backs up what he says with where the money’s goin’ and when introducing something new says where the money’s comin’ from……..
wow i love this guy…..isn’t missing a trick……..because he’s not using tricks, he’s using substance…….
our state was so far down the shithole-sorry to be crude-that i didn’t see how we were ever going to survive it……hope springs eternal……..
so, those of you locked in a republican state, don’t despair, we got rid of sen. dewine, replaced with dem charlie wilson, got rid of gov taft’s regime buddies, etc…..still have republican state legislature, but things are looking much better for ohio now……..with ex-rep now governor ted strickland at the helm……..
Oklahoma kiddo @ 116
My guess is that the further along we get into campaign season, the more company you will have!
Speaking of courageous Dems, C-SPAN now has Sen. Webb’s National Press Club speech up at their web site.
His agenda is as close to that of Edwards as is any credible politician’s. They both have seen the changes happening in the parts of the South where people look ahead and respect education and unions, and both have used that to form platforms of belief which resonate nationwide.
Webb’s speech is excellent!
OK, I’m gonna have to issue a zig alert.
I dunno. In the spirit of being judged by the company one keeps, this day and these threads sure make glad I’m one of us and not one of them.
Even hearing about the bile being spewed on those other sites makes me want a shower.
Big hugs to Jane & Elizabeth, and to faithful Firepups. Thanks to all for making this such a remarkable place.
Dru @ 96
I was about to say the same thing, as the husband of a woman with breast cancer that occurred (knock on wood) 11 years ago.
On the other hand, any metastasis is worrisome.
according to bonetumor dot org link
More information can be found at imaginis link
The information there is quite specific and quite detailed. Backing off for a bit of perspective, however, is this quote:
Well, unique except to the right-wing noise machine.
JGabriel @ 51
Dear SnowJob:
You just don’t get it, do you?
It is not about talking to the Dim Son’s servitors, it is about trust. Let’s review this White House’s setting on the veracity-meter:
(1) The Vice President’s former Chief-of-Staff (and National Security Advisor saywhat??? since when does VPOTUS need a NSA???) was just convicted of perjury before a grand jury and obstruction of justice.
(1A) In the same case, the Dim Son’s closest advisor appeared before the Grand Jury no fewer than five (5, as in 1-2-3-4-FIVE) times, before he got his story straight enough to avoid indictment.
(2) The Dim Son started a war to disarm a nation of weapons of mass destruction, after assuring us that Iraq was involved with the Al Qaida attacks. It turned out that Iraq had no WMD, Iraq had no involvement with Al Qaida. As a special bonus, we learned that the English translation of Iraq is tarbaby. The Dim Son should have been well aware of the mendacity, because he ordered the stovepiping of intelligence to justify “getting Saddam.”
(3) In relation to Iraq, the Dim Son sent his Secretary of State to the UN Security Council to lie to them on his behalf.
(4) In enacting Medicare Part D (the drug so-called benefit), his Secretary of Health and Human Services threatened to fire Medicare’s Chief Actuary if he told Congress the truth about the cost of the program.
(5) His Office of Faith-Based Initiatives has spent most of its existence lying to the Dim Son’s evangelical base about available funding.
(6) Even before taking office, even before the nine electoral votes that counted were cast, the Dim Son’s supporters appeared in Palm Beach, Florida claiming to be locals angry about the recount.
To put it simply, Mr. SnowJob, your boss hasn’t got a good track record of telling the truth to Congress or the American people. Consequently, when our representatives want to talk to your boss’s people, it’s only prudent to do so in a setting where their words are recorded and they are under oath to tell us the truth. History shows that otherwise they’ll tell us what they want us to know, regardless of its relation to the truth.
BC
My idea is eight years for Gore followed by 8 more for Edwards.
Mrs. Edwards — sending all the good karma that Mrs. retirin’, and two good and loving labs can muster.
Jane — wonderful smackdown. Keep ‘em comin’.
I have not heard any comments about the Edwards situation from Democratic presidential hopefuls. I would assume they would all be decent and supportive, unlike the right wingers. Has anybody heard differently?
Thanks ET– the speech was scheduled at 1 today, but was booted b/c Dodd’s banking cmte ran on and on and on…
yay Webb and yay Virginia!
Checking swampland, ana has a post up Re: The Edwards Question.
What edwards question?
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 121
Which wife? The one who raised his kids while he was in Viet Nam, or the mistress he dumped her for when he got back. Man, it’s so hard to keep track of all the GOP contenders wives. They value the sanctity of marriage so much they want to do it over and over, God bless their adulterous little hearts!
Sachem515 @ 115
Well, I was in the big-name dollar store the other day and they had duct-tape bandages. Really. ‘Latex-free’ it says. Of course, they don’t blend with skin unless you come in aluminum grey….
dmac @ 129
dmac, Senator Sherrod Brown (D) is Dewine’s replacement. I sent him an email wrt the subpoena’s this morning.
Rocket Scientist @ 106
I compliment you on your selection of weaponry.
Had I the legs for it, I’d have picked Trinity’s boots for the job, but those Louboutins will do nicely.
OK, I’m gonna have to issue a zig alert.
What’s a zig alert?
I just received a well-intentioned but pointless email:
‘cuz that’s really going to sway him.
Would have to be the second wife. When he got home he promptly dumped the “starter wife.”
Jay Carney ees like some accursed demonic-amalgam of Adam Nagourney & Joe Klein, and only a leetle less credible.
so.
punaise @ #127 -
I’m sorry, but you may have mistaken some of my comments a month or so ago re Gore’s complete lack of public references to the Beirut oil spill to distaste for Gore. I’ve read both his books, loved the movie, and fully believe he’s the best choice we have, should he become available. Watching his humor in the hearings this week only reinforced that conviction.
Who needs daggers? :)
Sure, there’s one or perhaps two Demos I don’t care much for. But we have so much talent in the Democratic party. ;0)
Are you quoting Todd Parr?
eCAHNomics @ 145
when too many comments get quoted in succession (four?) it creates a problem for the servers. Zig is short for ziggurat, the aerial view of which is suggested by the nested blockquotes.
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Carney’s an ass. These people just don’t know when to quit.
neurophius @ 138
Looks like the righties piled on before anyone else could get a word out.
tr @17
(((((no words, just a hug))))
eCAHNomics @ 146
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S’pose we sent Peter (one r) fleeing with tail between legs?
He didn’t know what he was in for when he dissed Jane, did he?
LOL
Oklahoma kiddo @ 136
I second that emotion!
el gato! home boy. have been waiting for ages to catch you on the same thread. I was near your stomping ground (or is it slithering gound for a gator) over the holidays. Went to Carcassonne dude. Kitchy but awesome. so.
John Emerson @
102
I hope Pool Boy and company over at the Politico are realizing what it’s doing to their credibility to set up a Republican-friendly political site (”The Preznit said he likes us!”) with open commenting. The place is completely overrun with vile wingnuts. I can’t wait until the next time they publish an article talking about “incivility” on the liberal web while ignoring the hatemongering on the right, and it only takes links to their own site to smack it down.
ET - no problem. I was recalling other expressions of disdain for Gore relating to the 2000 campaign/election.
punaise @ 162
You mean, don’t hire Donna Brazille if you decide to jump?
I overheard CNN report (Tv on in another room) an appropriate comment from Hillary.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 135
That’s about right. 16 years to clean up this mess.
The thing I like about Edwards, apart from his ideas, is the fact he is not afraid to admit he made a mistake (on his Iraq vote) and has said so publicly. I think Americans respect someone like that. I know I do.
neurophius @ 138
TPM reports that first Hillary and then Obama had front-page messages of support on their campaign sites.
punaise @ 162
I’m still kind of miffed at Gore for picking Joe Lieberman.
Though I would vote for Gore if he was the nominee.
Bernadine Healey, ex- Surgeon General, on Tweety’s show now with good explanation of cancer & prognosis.
Tony Snow made a respectful reference to Elizabeth Edwards at the beginning of his presser today. I’m sure most national leaders, especially in the Senate, will be making satements as soon as there’s an appropriate time. No doubt, many have found time to get a message to the Edwards family already.
punaise @ 99
Me too and wouldn’t John Edwards make a superb Vice President on that ticket? Yeah, I realize they are both perceived as southerners but in fact many thought both Bill and Al were southerners too. Just sayin…… ;~)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 69
We move forward because there is work to be done. We move forward because those we loved and lost still lead us. As long as we remember them, they live on.
-S
nomolos @
10
Please tell Elizabeth & John Edwards that they have lots of admirers north of the 49th parallel. If America is to realize the greatness of its Constitution, it will take the John Edwards amongst its citizens to lead; no offense to the other Democrats. I think only Gore has more admirers in Canada than John Edwards, at least in Toronto, where I live.
Elizabeth, if you ever feel like coming to Canada for some R & R, we’ll be happy to have you. My wife is great at Yoga, I am a very good meditation teacher and our two darling daughters will keep you laughing all day long.
To all of you who are battling serious illnesses and cannot afford complimentary treatments, there are lots of books and audio CDs on techniques like visualization to shrink tumors, meditations, etc. My personal favorite is Louise Hay, whose CD - 101 Power Thoughts - is a must for you and everyone else to help realize your personal healing potential.
Okay, now back to slamming the idiots in MSM and the government .. the tumors in society that must be defeated.
Matthews just fessed up to being an insulin dependent diabetic. Mauimom @ 170
Tweety’s a diabetic? I didn’t know that.
I think that any couple who have buried a son and gone on to start a second round of kids at 50 have to be really brave. Many of us with nearly grown up kids would rather just give up than start again. These guys are tough.
I think our honesty here is a wonder. I think that our candor, as modelled by Jane, makes this blog more credible.
That means that she can tear apart Jay Carney any time she wants.
This is OT but when my husband had chemo he craved white bread, yuk..Jane are you changing you food habits yet?? Joe Klein also said nice things on Swampland and linked to Elizabeth’s book. Former Wonkette has a nice smackdown on Carney also..
I’d be cool with Gore/Edwards.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 135
Woo Hoo!
punaise @ 146
Right. And giving your name to Karl Rove is a smart thing to do.
Not.
cleter @ 178
me too… where to sign up? i’d like to start canvassing now.
Here’s what Mr. Gore and Mr. Edwards have, which the Republican candidates do not: Character.
Went to Carcassonne dude.
(homesick ear-flick, followed by resigned bathing)
The viejo-ciudad has the best bars.
Oh, but stay away from El Perro y Caballero on “Dressy” nights.
so.
Gore has matured as a public figure like no other American in my recent memory. He’s also proved that F. Scott Fitzgerald spoke too soon…
Gore is like 1968 Nixon, only not chock full of evil.
Anyone have a snail mail address for Jay Carney? Because I have a book that I want to send him — and recommend to FDLers as well.
“Refuge: An Unnatural History of Family and Place”, written by a Mormon woman (Terry Tempest Williams) is something that Carney really needs to read — and he needs to read it N-O-W.
The book weaves together landscapes of the American West, birdwatching, wildlife, family, and the long term effects of nuclear testing that have affected so much in the American West: birds, plants, wildlife, people.
Tempest Williams examines the relationship between nuclear testing and cancer rates in the American West; particularly in communities where there are fairly high populations of Mormons.
Although I realize that Elizabeth Edwards is not a ‘Downwinder’, the book is still relevant to news of her illness. Many of us have a keen sense about what she and her familly are going through.
Perhaps “Refuge” could help Jay Carney understand: HELLO!!!!!! — We can handle the news about Elizabeth Edwards. We’re all grown ups. We’ve all dealt with shitty news. We’ve seen more than you give us credit for, and more than we often care to discuss.
What we can NOT ‘handle’ and what we should NOT ‘handle’ are lies, secrets, and deceits.
John Edwards and his wife were up front about what’s happening, and remain clear about their priorities. Where there’s passion, there’s life. They’ll be changed by the experience, but their honesty and courage will pull them through.
Damn, first we have the news about Elizabeth Edwards’ recurrence of cancer. Then we have the trolls and their faux concern. And now (TOTALLY off topic), I see that Tubby Smith is leaving my ‘Cats to become the coach at Minesota. What in the HELL is going on in the world today?
Sorry, couldn’t help myself there. :})
Oklahoma kiddo @ 166
In 2003, I was a raging Deanite and was extremely p*ssed off at all Dem candidates who voted for the war, including Edwards. But I was able to give him a pass after he did that and I appreciated his timing because he did it at least a year before everybody else started jumping on the bandwagon.
The first step towards solving a problem you’ve helped to create is to admit you’ve made a mistake.
Right. And giving your name to Karl Rove is a smart thing to do.
Not.
That was my first thought also when I read that post.
Father Bong used to say: “First thing to do when find self in hole… Stop digging!”
:-)
Dr. Bong @ 191
That for Mr. Jay, of course…
Speaking of presidential illnesses–what about JFK’s and his drug abuse as well. Yet he handled the job. I suppose Edwards can handle the job & his wide’s illness. Or, do we still need to follow his example and keep it all secret? Have we not grown up at all in the last 45 years?
readerOfTeaLeaves @ 187
One of the worst movies in history was filmed “downwind” from the Neveda atomic sites in the Utah desert in 1952. Over half the cast and crew wound up dying of cancers, mostly lung (a lot of cigarette smokers). The movie? The Conqueror starring John Wayne as Genghis Kahn.
wow! Pat Buchannan with kind words for the Edwards and without some stupid qualification…
eCAHNomics @ 193
Hmmm, there is a lying, murdering, treasonous bastard in the WH now. Kinda pales in comparison.
The thing that I see and respect tremendously in Jane and the Edwards is something that is woefully lacking in politics.Something that I admire them for.
LEADING BY EXAMPLE.
Tweety and Pat Buchanan are acting decent about the Edwards announcement, saying good things. But I wish they could have saved the political spin–”what effect is this going to have on the presidential race”–for a later occasion.
neurophius - I thought they did OK because what they did say was how it related to how solid a couple they are.
but then Pat steps right back in it with “poor Judy Miller”
punaise @ 153
Is s/he related to the beer faerie?
Marcy is teh Hot.
neurophius @ 198
Typical stuff. Nice or not, expect more to come.
Edwards/Webb ‘08
delurking in case Elizabeth or a friend checks in…
I understand that Elizabeth has a lot of faith in her cancer team. Still, at this stage she might look outside the box of conventional cancer therapy ( I say this as a Duke trained PA, practicing x20yrs)
Consider Block Integrative Cancer Clinic, www.blockmd.com . They can bring the latest in alternatives to compliment the chemo and other conventional methods. I’ve seen some amazing turnarounds from them.
Also, consider Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez in NYC. He is the recipient of a multi-million dollar grant from the NIH for his innovative cancer treatment, http://www.cancer.gov/… and www.dr-gonzalez.com
Elizabeth, I’m rooting for you and your family! Like so many others, I have come to have a lot of respect and affection for you — best wishes,
bonkers @ 203
that would probably strike a fatal blow…
Bustednuckles @ 197
I agree. Too many Americans have had to make too many tough decisions — in an era of declining medical coverage.
If the press wants to get all Up Close and Personal with Elizabeth, I hope they’ll start with her medical bills. Now that’s a conversation that she and John can really speak to.
Let’s hope their opponents, including the Republicans, get a f*cking clue and use it as a springboard to a better conversation about how the Edwards family REALLY ‘gets’ the whole health care mess that plagues this country.
Howard Fineman:
msnbc link
(ick)
…bravo, Jane
More goodies.
Whitehouse aides face more potential subpoenas
By Thomas Ferraro
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A second U.S. congressional panel authorized subpoenas of White House aides on Thursday, with Democrats pushing to expand a high-stakes probe into the firing of federal prosecutors.
The Senate Judiciary Committee, on a voice vote, cleared the way for subpoenas of Karl Rove, President George W. Bush’s chief political strategist, and others if they refuse to voluntarily provide sworn testimony to Congress.
snip
reuters link
I guess the gop spent the night partying, thinking that John would be dropping out.
A huge handover for nthing, eh gopsters?
I’d be blunt too Mr. Carney–with a bat.
I lve my on-screen keyboard.
time link
I sent this email. This week I’ve been listening to Elizabeth’s book-on-CD. I have her voice in my head (It was read by an actor, but still) and her words have been ringing in my heart and head when I read their announcement online at the library. “Oh No!” I said to the computer and felt the sting of tears. I’m so touched that they are going on. We all have to go on to save The Constitution and take back our country. The Wilsons are going on. The parents and loved ones of the troops are going on.
Of course, Mr. Pundit of no knowledge of courage, they will go on! That’s what heroes do!!!!!
_____
Jay Carney, Have you no shame?
“He clearly meant to be inspiring…”
And you know that for a fact, Mr. Carney, because you read minds.
“…he would be proving that he could deal with the pressures of being president.”
More inaccurate mind reading there. No, John and Elizabeth intend to be open, transparent, truthful, and honest. They have both said this is their goal in politics in speeches and in books, but you do not recognize those qualities, Mr. Pundit, because you. . . .No, I won’t say it. I don’t claim to read minds and motives as you do,unsuccessfully.”
Carney would probably be surprised to know many women with cancer continue working while undergoing extreme treatment protocols. Too many have inadequate medical insurance or none at all and multiple other stressors to deal with. It’s what the Edwards’ family is all about–helping and hoping to help those less fortunate who weren’t dealt the privileged hand drawn by Carney, Rush, and other cold-blooded creeps.
Late in. Thanks Jane. For everything you do. And thanks to all of the thoughtful and thinking commenters at FDL.
And, apart from anything else, remember that BushCo. has gutted national funding for basic and applied research in biology and medicine. For the kinds of discoveries that are important in treating cancer, and a wealth of other health issues. Not much talked about, but important to remember.
bringsamen @ 144
DUH, sorry, brain was stuck on charlie wilson, another new one……….misspoke…….thanks, yes, SHERROD!!!!!
am wired a little after hearing stickland on the radio AGAIN!!!!!
happening a lot, wow, it’s so incredible to hear him on the radio, talkin’ straight…….can’t get over it every time i hear him……after 8 years of hide-from-the-people taft, can’t get used to it yet…exciting.
New Hamsher upstairs
New thread.
Thanks for that VG @ 213– I made a similar point on an earlier thread.
He’s not just a war criminal you know.
He’s cut funding, does not believe in science, only cares about the corporations that are hurting the very people he “pledged to protect”, doesn’t care about the many, many millions who have health insurance, and vetoed stem cell research, etc.
Sally @ 212
Amen.
Ya know, just these first few examples (Carney, Fineman) of criticism are having a weird effect on me. I’m emotionally defending the Edwards campaign now after leaning towards Obama before today. The more criticism they get, the more I’m behind them. Thanks Howard Fineman for helping me come to a conclusion, because if some as*hole like you thinks they are the wrong family, then I know they are the best First Family we can have.
ready daggers…
Webb would be gaffe prone. It would be a big bet on authenticity vs message control to put him on the ticket.
It’s great that Edwards is still in. I think he’s the one the republicans are most afraid of. And he makes the dialogue richer.
But the real good news is that the Elizabeth news was so much less bad than everybody feared.
Another late (this, from Oregon):
I’m sorry that Jay is embarrassed by Elizabeth’s and John’s decision. But then, as we know, to the shameless, all things are embarrassing.
I know something about fighting breast cancer. And the last thing you want to do, as Jane well knows, is to curl up in the fetal position and calculate and contemplate, ad nauseum, your odds.
Get the hell on with life. That’s what she’s doing and so is he. Do you think that his staying by her side constantly is going to make things better? Absolutely not. She wants him to run, knowing full well that her time may be limited. She wants this, and she wants it for him and for both of them.
God, sometimes white, male, beltway insider “journalists” are such a pain in the ass.
angie @ 217
Thanks Angie- I haven’t had time to read previous comments (just in from work) but this is something we need to keep hammering away at. I know you’ve said it before way back, and so have I. BushCo. is criminal in *so* many ways.
Thank you Jane. I’ve just signed up for the Edwards campaign today. For a ton of reasons. many of them touched on here.
I imagine ETeller is right about this, but the way thug politics works these days that doesn’t mean that the Jay Carneys can be discounted. He was putting something out there that his masters think they can use when needed, so he deserves every bit of Jane’s smackdown, plus a designated martial artist guard to handle him if he stirs. (Not that I think ETeller doesn’t agree with that, too.)
It does indeed take a certain grace to live with the kind of extra knowledge of one’s mortality that Elizabeth Edwards and her family now have, but on the other hand one cannot curl up and die pre-emptively. We bid them courage and the best of fortunes.
(A couple of side notes: dmac sure is cute when he gets revved up about Ohio. And, I’ve been convinced for sometime that ¡El Gato Negro! really is a cat, but the post above nails it for me. So.)
Wow, “curling up” in da howse!
Can someone explain “incurable but treatable”? Is that something like high blood pressure, where you can’t ever stop taking meds, but as long as you take them and observe a few dietary restrictions and stuff like that, you can live out a pretty normal life? Or does it mean a slow decline that can be prolonged by enough drugs, or what?
Jane,
I guess you’ll never see this since it is so far down thread. As a young man I was with my love as she died of breast cancer. So I’m crying as I type, but I want to say I’ve been reading this site for months, and that was an extraordinary post and my respect for you at this moment couldn’t be greater.
douglas @ 221
wow, so true, thanks
oops, my 217 should have been
doesn’t care about the many, many millions who don’t have health insurance.
thanks for the reply VG.
And, what’s this bullshit about worrying that a single parent is unable to work a demanding job????? Let alone someone who can well afford top shelf child care.
Sheesh! Millions of single parents do this everyday.
Have we had a book salon for either of these books?
After I read Four Trials I said, “This is a wonderful man!”
I’m CD listening to Elizabeth’s book now (head injury has slowed me down in for reading).
Saving Graces: Finding Solace and Strength from Friends and Strangers
by Elizabeth Edwards
http://www.elliottbaybook.com/search/search.jsp
Review:
She charmed America with her smart, likable, down-to-earth personality as she campaigned for her husband, then vice-presidential candidate John Edwards. She inspired millions as she valiantly fought advanced breast cancer after being diagnosed only days before the 2004 election. She touched hundreds of similarly grieving families when her own son, Wade, died tragically at age sixteen in 1996. Now she shares her experiences in “Saving Graces,” an incandescent memoir of Edwards’ trials, tragedies, and triumphs, and of how various communities celebrated her joys and lent her steady strength and quiet hope in darker times.
Edwards writes about growing up in a military family, where she learned how to make friends easily in dozens of new schools and neighborhoods around the world and came to appreciate the unstinting help and comfort naval families shared. Edwards’ reminiscences of her years as a mother focus on the support she and other parents offered one another, from everyday favors to the ultimate test of her own community’s strength–their compassionate response to the death of the Edwards’ teenage son, Wade, in 1996. Her descriptions of her husband’s campaigns for Senate, president, and vice president offer a fascinating perspective on the groups, great and small, that sustain our democracy. Her fight with breast cancer, which stirred an outpouring of support from women across the country, has once again affirmed Edwards’ belief in the power of community to make our lives better and richer.
Four Trials
by Edwards, John
Format: Trade Paperback
Price: $13.00
Published: Simon & Schuster, 08/01/2004
Raised in a small town by parents employed in the local mills, John Edwards worked in those mills himself — and then went on to become one of America’s most successful and respected attorneys.
He built a national reputation representing people whose lives had been shattered by corporate recklessness and grievous medical negligence. In landmark cases, Edwards helped people from all walks of life stand up for themselves against tremendous odds. “Four Trials” provides an electrifying account of four of his cases as it tells the story of the courageous and unmistakably decent people Edwards was privileged to represent in times of tragedy, great loss, and often great joy.
And in a deeply moving account, “Four Trials” also speaks of the tragedies and joys that Senator Edwards has known in his own life — and how today life and justice are more precious to him than ever.
I’ve lost a dear colleague, a young woman, to breast cancer this past year.
Breast cancer, which we are told is so very treatable.
I am amazed at the Edwards’ willingness to go on in the face of this news.
My thoughts and prayers are with Elizabeth now.
But I am in awe of what she has said about her husband’s campaign.
Beat all the odds, Liz!
Elizabeth Edwards interview on the Diane Rehms show several months ago is well worth the listen. She is a remarkable woman and the two of them make for a remarkable pair.
prostrate dragon—-thanks, i’m really feelin’ it when i write about it!!!!!!!!!!!
i am like a kid that got exactly what they wanted for christmas even though their parents said you aren’t gettin’ that!!!!!!! and yet there it is, under the tree………a new experienced ex-house of representatives democratic governor ted strickland!!!!!!!!!!
i really didn’t expect the elation that i am feeling……..
and i’m a girl, just so ya know…….
http://johnedwards.com/news/thank-you-20070322/
Send a note to Elizabeth and John.
Dear John and Elizabeth:
This week I’ve been listening to Elizabeth’s book-on-CD, Saving Graces (I’m stuck with listening until my ability to read returns after auto accident head injury). I have your voice in my head (It was read by an actor, but still) and ringing in my heart. Today I read your announcement online at the library. “Oh No!” I said to the computer and felt the sting of tears. I’m so touched that you are going on. We all have to go on to save the Constitution and take back our country. The Wilsons are going on. The parents and loved ones of the troops are going on. Of course John and Elizabeth Edwards will go on! That’s what heroes do!
Ron Owens on KGO radio in San Francisco was drooling wingnut comments concerning Elizabeth Edwards this morning. He said over and over that this was all about getting some free airtime to Edwards dismal campaign and implied Edwards was using his wife’s illness for political gain, it was just pathetic. Ron Owens stepped as low as the KSFO idiots.
selise @
22
you inspire me with this comment! bravo
I have felt since I first saw and heard Carney that he is shallow. His remarks indicate he’s sexist. Shame on him!
You go Jane!!! Who the fuck does he think he is indeed!!!
Vinny @
237
The behavior that I’ve seen and read about by Republicans regarding the announcement by the Edwards’ has really sickened me. I don’t think I’ve ever cursed in a blog posting before and I know this is deep in the EPU zone but I just have to scream. THESE FUCKTARDS ARE DESPICABLE!
LindyH @
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Yeah, but do you have the shoes?
Brisingamen @
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I think that what ET meant was that they erm, well, umm, *blush* in front of the family. Also, he does play he flute, IIRC. And several other instruments.
” … his DUTIES to THREE children …”? Last I looked, the older daughter is in her 20s. What exactly, Mr. Carney, ARE his duties to a 20-something-year-old child?
And why don’t we ever hear of other candidates’ DUTIES to their adult children?
As a mother of 3 children myself, all in their 20s, I KNOW that this “child” can be of much help to Elizabeth Edwards, not as a 10-year old.
These people make me so sick. Clueless.
Good on you, Jane.
dmac @
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What a coincidence, so am I (blush)! These handles of ours …
A rain of wrathful ridicule and righteous writs and reasoned rebuttal and rebellion in the Republican ranks… And lions and tigers and bears. That’s what we need, by Jiminy!
Jane and Elizabeth:
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I wonder if Mr. Carney is familiar with the phrase, “steel wrapped in velvet”? When he looks at Elizabeth Edwards it’s a phrase he should keep in mind. He won’t see many like her, and obviously he never has before. Watch closely Mr. Carney, Elizabeth will show how a real class act does things that most of the rest of us could not. It is particularly patronizing for anyone to imply that either Elizabeth or John Edwards have not given enough thought to the care of their children. They, I am sure, are their first, last and overwhelming concern. These parents model a tremendous reservoir of hope, resilience, commitment, love and mutual respect. Their children will learn powerful life lessons from the example of their wonderful parents.
Jane, I love you, but I think you’ve over-reacted on this one, and are reading things into it that just aren’t there.
breast cancer is staged in four stages; stage 4 means the breast cancer has metastasized to outside the breast, usually into the bones or one of the organs, liver, lungs or brain; once it is stage 4, the effort is to make quality of life sustainable whilst keeping the breast cancer tumours shrinking. elizabeth edwards has what is called a ‘hot spot’ on her rib, usually a hot spot presents with a minor fracture before it is truly symptomatic; therefore, some very good long term usage drugs have been developed; two of my friends have lived nine and eleven yrs respectively with boney mets. in breast cancer you need GUTS and LUCK and good doctors, and elizabeth has all three. well, so does jane. so have i.
jane , this piece made me laugh till i cried; then i got pissed off with the carney comment and twirled on my computer chair and fell over since i forgot a screw was loose in it ( not me). thanks.
His point is well taken. This is a significant diagnosis, and it shouldn’t be taken lightly.
You can try to shun him all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that Elizabeth has a very bad form of cancer and it’ll weigh on people’s minds that John is continuing with his presidential bid.
Justin at 252,
I’ll take Attorney/Mom Elizabeth Edwards with stage 4 bone cancer met. from breast cancer as First Lady over anyone the republican party nominates.
You need someone who knows how to handle the rough stuff in life in the office of the POTUS…and John Edwards has the right stuff to handle the rough stuff in life.
I saw both Kerry and Edwards in person during the 04 compaign and Edwards is electric. I have never seen such a compaigner.
I think it’s really up to the 57 year old adult woman named Elizabeth Edwards to decide how she wants to live her life, and as John said, he doesn’t mandate anything to Elizabeth Edwards.
Now, I’m going to do what Elizabeth asked and ‘Get back to work” by planning my house party for John Edwards.
campaign…campaigner… I do know how to spell.
sigh.
Justin (at 252) yaps like so many other old-fashioned dweebs. (And I don’t care if you are 20 years old, freak).
Let me say this slowly, so even the most dense out there can understand:
This is between Elizabeth and John Edwards. PERIOD. So get your nosy ass out of their business. I can tell you — I am 53 years old, and there have been NO Republicans in my adult life who were worth much.
Reagan? Ford? Nixon? Either Bush?
Give me a break.
Carney has eaten too many cocktail weenies at Ben and Sally’s. The Washington Press has become so incestuous, we’ll have to forbid them to marry. Enough already. BTW, I really like Edwards, and if Gore doesn’t get in the race, I hope he will be the nominee.
A-frickin-men to this post!!!!!
I’ve been leaning toward supporting Edwards myself tho haven’t completely closed the deal. Perhaps this difficult news about Elizabeth’s condition will have a silver lining — the media and the public might actually pay more attention to his really interesting and compelling campaign rather than turning the Dem race into the Hillary and Obama show by almost exclusively covering them ad nauseum (and I like Obama but geez he’s not the only guy in this race, ya know?).
Did anyone else catch Cokie Roberts on GMA this morning? First time in years — nay, decades — that I’ve stood up and cheered when she spoke. Of course, she’s a breast cancer survivor and the daughter of a father and a mother both of whom were higly driven political people, just like John & Elizabeth Edwards — so she has a little bit of a clue in this arena. I especially liked that she said something to the effect that “getting on with the work at hand” can be a powerful form of therapy/motivation for a person and their family facing this disease. Well, duh.
And this BS about if she were sick when he was President would he be able to focus. Good grief. Plenty of Presidents have had to struggle with illness or family tragedy and did just fine. Edwards’ answer to this was so spot on — if you’re not prepared to deal with very difficult sudden challenges, you shouldn’t be running for President. Well, duh.
And what is the deal with the white male comment in Carney’s article? What an idiot. As if that’s the only reason someone would vote for Edwards. Note to Jay: A lot of people who are really obsessed with maintaining white male privilege/dominance have kind of left the Dems, in case you hadn’t noticed.
And the infanitilizing of Elizabeth in his article — oy. Has Jay not noticed that the media constantly trumpets stories of people, disabled or with illness, who make the most of the hand their dealt and accomplish amazing things? Aren’t we supposed to admire and gain inspiration from from stories like these? Apparently Jay Carney needs to watch some Lifetime movies. /snark/
Discomfit: “To undo in battle; to defeat or overthrow completely; to beat, to rout.” Or so says the Oxford English Dictionary.
Is Carney ignorant of the meaning of the word? Or maybe he was making, in some oblique way, Jane’s very point: that the announcement undid, defeated, and routed the view that Elizabeth Edwards is “[h]andicapped, a withering violet who must be banished from public life, consigned to the fainting couch.” Nah, he’s an idiot.
Discomfit, definition 2: “a. To defeat or overthrow the plans or purposes of; to thwart, foil. b. To throw into perplexity, confusion, or dejection; to cast down utterly; to disconcert.”
If there was something “discomfiting” about the announcement that Mr. Edwards was staying in the race or something “more discomfiting” about “the claim that by soldiering on while his wife has incurable cancer, he would be proving that he could deal with the pressures of being president,” what, exactly was thwarted? Whose plans, what plans were overthrown? Who or what was thrown into a state of perplexity or confusion?
SURELY, Carney is not one of those semi-educated “writers,” so cocksure of his own semi-knowledge that he neglects to look words up in the dictionary, who think “discomfit” means “to make uncomfortable.”