
Good on ya, Jay Carney, for being the first pundit out of the gate:
With that grim statement, I—and, presumably, many other listeners—assumed that the former North Carolina Senator and top-tier contender for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination was ending his campaign, or at least suspending it.
Yes, because Elizabeth Edwards is now a cripple. Handicapped, a withering violet who must be banished from public life, consigned to the fainting couch. Quick, somebody fetch the laudanum and lace hankies.
Instead, Edwards said nothing would change; his campaign would continue and Elizabeth would be by his side on the road. Elizabeth spoke about the importance of her husband's campaign, how the country needs him to be president. Both said there was never a debate yesterday, as they were receiving the news about her condition, about whether he should drop out of the race. John said that when the two of them were alone, Elizabeth was concerned about everyone but herself—her children, her husband and her country, in that order, but not herself.
He clearly meant it to be inspiring, but there is also something discomfiting about that statement. Even more discomfiting was Edwards' claim that by soldiering on while his wife has incurable cancer, he would be proving that he could deal with the pressures of being president. I wonder how voters will react to that sentiment.
Edwards is staying in the race, so the effect of today's announcement on the Democratic contest will be limited. But there will be an effect. Despite his and his wife's optimism, political professionals, donors, activists and regular voters will all have to wonder going forward whether or not Edwards will be able to stay in the race all the way to the end. It is certainly true that with effective treatment, Elizabeth Edwards could live many years. But it is also true that even the best treatment isn't always effective, and that bone cancer is particularly lethal. Edwards' supporters, and surely many average Americans, have to be wondering at what point the candidate will decide that his duties as husband and father to three children, including a 6 and 8 year old, trump his duty to his country and the cause of winning the White House.
So says Dr. Jay Carney, board certified in...um...well, we'll get back to you on that.
Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have so far overshadowed Edwards in this race, but he is a top-tier candidate and a real threat to win the nomination. He leads most polls in the key first-caucus state of Iowa, which he came close to winning in 2004. To put it bluntly, Edwards is the leading white male Democratic contender for a job that has only ever gone to white males. If, in the future, he either suspends his campaign or drops out of the race entirely, his supporters will have to look around and decide which of the remaining candidates comes closest to fulfilling the promise they saw in him.
For the good of the nation (and presumably white males everywhere, who need to have a champion in the race according to white male Carney), Elizabeth Edwards is no longer entitled to free will, self determination, and certainly not capable of making decisions about her own life. Nor is she entitled to respect for her choices which we think are honorable but are really just selfish. No, she and her husband owe it to white males everywhere to do the brave thing. Edwards must forthwith kneel by her bedside, teardrops falling on her porcelain hand as he scribbles love sonnets with parchment and quill. Because let's face it, she's got one foot in the grave.
Who the fuck does he think she is, Elizabeth Barrett Browning? What patronizing drivel. How thoroughly offensive.
Update: Signs of intelligent life at Time.
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Well fucking said!
Expect to be offended. Maybe we should get Dr. Frist’s opinion too.
thanks Jane - as a white male I feel so under-represented in society and government…
So when is Carney going to start beating Guiliani and Gingrich for not taking better care of their own families in crunch time?
What a hack, a complete shill.
Corporate media is dead because of the likes of Carney.
Fucker Tarlson reading from the column right now… what an idiot!
Sachem515 @ 3
The first thing that came to me also.
What a fucking concern troll.
You GO, Jane!!!!
Would that whoop-ass were a cure for idiocy!
Attaturk @
2
amen.
As a freind of both John and Elizabeth and as I white male that cries at the drop a bloody hat ( I am Irish born and bred) and as someone who is taking a damned break from my sister inlaws death bed in a hospice I can only say fu*k
And I wish you the absolute best…
Fucktards. They got nothing.
Limbaugh, that despicable drug-addicted tool, wasted no time in describing the Edwards’ as “taking advantage of a political opportunity” or some such bullshit.
Carlson is a boob.
Let’s cut Dr. Carney some slack–he probably had to write that piece on the fly after his editors told him to scrap the draft of his first column, arguing that it certainly would be better for Ms. Edwards’s morale if we didn’t tell her about her diagnosis and prognosis.
As a middle-aged white male, may I say: The Edwards’ showed amazing grace this morning and I know will be able to deal with condescending anal orifices like Carney. It’s just too bad that the kewl kidz like him are given such a voice in the world.
Rayne @
5
Um, yeah.
If you’re a Republican it’s okay to ditch your wife when she’s got cancer, but a Democrat who stands by her? How selfish.
dr. bloor @ 13
Welcome, dr. bloor - you funny!
I know where the Edwards are coming from because I have a tumor in my chest that is active but not growing. Our course of action is to just keep monitoring the thing. We’ve been monitoring the tumor for almost five years now.
It’s always in the back of my mind that my status could change tomorrow but I refuse to allow this tumor to call the shots in my life. I will continue to live my life as I wish, doing the things I want to do. I refuse, as Edwards said, to hide in a corner. If I did that, the cancer would have won because I gave up fighting it emotionally.
The Edwards are the only ones who can speak with authority on their situation. They are the only ones who can make the decisions they need to make.
My best wishes to the Edwards family.
Lucky for Carney, one can’t post comments on the Time site re his drivel.
so, are we sharpening up our steelin’ knives and daggers?
Jane Hamsher @
15
Hell, I’d tell Elizabeth to do something vulgar to Carney (starting with “rip off his head and…”) but we must maintain an elevated tone at all times or poor dear Auntie Jay will need his smelling salts.
Jane Hamsher @ 15
Yes, but when Rudy annulled his first marriage, she was still his second cousin. Do I hear dueling banjoes?
very few of us have any idea how much time we have on this earth - we’re all gonna die.
it’s up to each of us to decide what we’re goning to do with whatever time we have.
i have no admiration for how jay carney is using his time. unlike elizabeth and john edwards - who inspire me.
OldCoastie @ 19
Uh-huh.
I’ve got a nice katana Elizabeth can use if she wants. And I’ll throw in some tantos and a kaiken dagger, too.
TR @
17
I refuse, as Edwards said, to hide in a corner. If I did that, the cancer would have won because I gave up fighting it emotionally.
I do not know what it is about this simple fact that people do not understand. Cancer, AIDS, illness in general…it makes people like Carney “uncomfortable,” therefore those stricken with them must stay out of sight for fear they will remind them of their own mortality.
Remind me again who the sick ones are?
And good for you.
The Republicans have been way off their game lately. The correct response to Elizabeth Edwards’ cancer recurrence from a political perspective would also be the right thing to do. Something along the lines of a statement saying, “We are all praying for Elizabeth Edwards, and we ask that the media repect her and her family and their privacy during this difficult time. Out of respect for Ms Edwards, we will have no further comment on this issue.” Simple, tasteful, elegant. Which is why the Republicans won’t do it. They’ll slime her and her husband. Which is not only sleazy but also politically stupid. Edwards is a very genuine and likable woman, and I have no doubt that her husband is doing what Elizabeth herself wants him to do. I also have no doubt that Elizabeth will be willing to say so. The absolute last thing the Republicans want to do is shine a spotlight on her. She is in a sympathetic position that a lot of people can relate to, many of whom have shitty health insurance. And the Republicans just can’t afford to have her cancer relapse turn into a national discussion on health care.
What a sack of…
Elizabeth has been given a provisional death sentence, to be carried out… sometime.
Which is only slightly more specific than what the rest of us face. How many people have gotten out of this life alive? We’re all going to die. Some of us will die before Elizabeth Edwards does. There’s real irony in that–that some of us, who are feeling sorry for her, and worried about her–are going to shuffle off before she does.
But no one expects us to just curl up and feel sad because we’ll die… someday.
It sucks, being mortal. Being able to see what’s coming to get you–probably–doesn’t make you any more mortal. It just means that morons treat you like you were a marked man–or woman. You still get up, feel good, or bad, that day. Get dressed, eat, hug your family and go out to do stuff that needs doing.
And one day… you die.
Elizabeth Edwards is just getting on with her life.
She deserves credit for not having given into poor-me, and for being so big-hearted and patriotic that she’s not simply willing… but is insisting… that her husband keep trying to do for the country what he’d already set out to do.
Carney and his kind are morons.
Oh, that was GOOD. Nice job, Jane. I’m gonna get a nice glass of wine and re-read this to savor every word. Smack-a-licious.
Phoenix Woman @ 23
can I wear my ninja suit?
I think the wingnuts are really scared of Edwards because if he can get the nomination he’ll have the best chance of winning.
if jay carney hasn’t pissed you off enough already… the snow job on c-span just started.
From your comments, I don’t suppose you’ve ever had a close loved one die of cancer. Though I love your website, I find your comments really out of order and extremely insensitive.
Nauseating. Just nauseating.
Don’t forget…Carney was the one who called the Attorney scandal “left wing, conspiratorial, blog driven paranoia”. What an asshole…
comments from Atrio
“If you are looking for some way to vent frustration a lot of local papers with blogs are asking for reader comments on whether Edwards should drop out!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/bl…reigndesk/ index?
Andrew Ross did you point out that Newtie ranaway
Liars for Bush | Homepage | 03.22.07 - 3:35 pm
I think commentators that take this tack take it at their peril. Really. There are just too many of us that have family and friends that have and have gone through diagnosis. And whether Dems or Repubs, the first thing is always the fight, the life, the courage in dealing and hopefully beating it.
The Edward family was so inspiring today.
I think that Elizabeth will use the asinine comments from Poooor Auntie Jay-Jay and others as motivation to kick both the cancer and their asses to the curb as she works to get her man in the White House.
Go get ‘em, Elizabeth! Let ‘em know what it feels like to have the point of your shoe hitting their gluteal muscles!
“…a real threat to win the nomination.”
Scared, Jay?
iteration-They are a class act, spin that motherfuckers
selise @
22
Very well said.
That’s it. I’m going with John and Elizabeth. I’d been flirting with Obama but today’s announcement settled it for me. If Elizabeth Edwards is willing to give her husband’s campaign her all at this point in her life, then she realizes how dire things are for the country and she thinks he’s something special.
Do endorsements get any better than hers? She’s in it to win it.
OldCoastie @ 28
Sure! Elizabeth’s a warrior; she’ll appreciate it.
Life threatening illness can often clarify the will, the soul, the spirit. It doesn’t have to, but it can.
Jane’s right. Carney is a racist, sexist, condescending prick and deserves much, much scorn.
Mrs. Edwards, once again, best to you.
Peter @
31
I’m guessing this is your first time here. Welcome.
Peter @ 31
Are we a new reader?
Fuckety, fucking, fuck. To hell with all these bastards!
Wow. Edwards is like the Anti-Newt.
Ana Marie Cox over at Time’s swampland says that Carney doesn’t *himself* hold the position(s) he espoused in that piece, which makes it worse:
AMC: I think his point about what voters might think is a good one. He’s not actually making the case that he is wondering about “country vs. family,” he’s laying out an argument about public opinions — which are not always pretty.
Oh Lordy. What a sack of condescending dreck. (And, don’t look now, but Hot Tub Tom is on CNN. Blech.)
I’m sorry, but Elizabeth and John Edwards and their family have talked about what they think is best for them in all of this, treatmentwise and livingwise. Who the hell does Jay Carney think he is to second guess that based on absolutely nothing but some tightness in his overstarched drawers?
Snow up on C-span, lying again. Will a journalist not say, “Hey Tony, why bother to open your mouth, every time you open your mouth no one believes you even if you are telling the truth!”
If they are busting for money for the Occupation Forces in Iraq they could get back all the stolen money form their pals: that should keep them going for a bit.
To fight back is the best therapy especially when your back is against the wall….
OT, but I’m surprised I haven’t seen anyone comment on this yet.
As I’m sure you’ll all remember, the WH’s demands to agree to Congressional conversations with Rove, Miers, et. al, were: private conversation, no oath, no transcript, and no subsequent testimony.
Yet here we have Arlen Spectre arguing in the Senate Judiciary Committee today: “If we don’t like what we get, we can always issue a subpoena.” ( Video: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....013204.php )
I know, I know, they have no shame. But still…
Peter @ 30
my mother, my grandmother, my aunt.. all from cancer, all w/in 15 months…. and during that 15 months i had surgery and tx for cancer too (i was the only one to survive).
oh, and with my mom - i was with her round the clock, sleeping on a cot they put in her room for me, and standing beside her when she died in great pain.
sorry if that was more info that you-all wanted. but i just couldn’t let that go without a response.
Peter @
30
Oh, Peter, I feel so sorry for you. You are so clueless and have no idea who you’re talking to. That’s Ok. After we’re through with you, and you feel properly chastised, we’ll forgive and forget.
Jane Hamsher @ 43
*trying not to bust a gut laughing*
*failing*
Game, set and match to Jane, bane of concern trolls everywhere!
Peter @
31
Yes, I have. So have lots of other people here. Lots of people here have had cancer themselves. What are you talking about?
Peter at 31 — I’m going to put you out of your misery. Jane is currently undergoing chemo for her third bout with breast cancer. Several members of her family have also fought this battle - some won, some lost. For that matter, I, too, had my own lump removed several years ago, thankfully precancerous. We have a lot of cancer survivors in our regular readership.
Jane more than knows of what she speaks.
Who the fuck does he think she is, Elizabeth Barrett Browning?
I truly busted a gut reading this. Well done, Jane.
cleter @ 46
Which is about the best damned thing one can say about him. (Besides that he had the good sense to marry Elizabeth.)
Tony Snow is a nitwit.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 55
We also have a number of people living with HIV, though they’re not public about it.
Jane Hamsher @ 42
jane, you handled that much better than i did. thank you.
mods - please feel free to delete my previous post.
I agree one hundred percent with Attaturk: “Well fucking said!”
Jane, go after the insensitive scumbags. You’ll be doing a great service to the American people.
BTW, Cathy Seipp just died of cancer. She took a lot of shots at me online but in person she was always nice, and she has a really lovely daugher Maia who must be all of 17 right now. Very sad.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,260268,00.html
Aha,
Glad to have that explained to me
I dislike Hillary because she is a woman; not because she is an ineffective leader and has never had a foreign policy thought I agreed with.
And my problems with Obama stem from his color; not his singular political manipulation of his record since his forst day in the Senate (full disclosure: I voted for Obama and had great hopes. Visits to his office and repeated exposure to his (all white) staff have left a bad taste in my mouth)
I must like Edwards for his white skin.
Glad someone explained that to me.
I’m sure we’ll hear a lot more of this kind of crap from the brainiacs on teh cable tonight.
What’s doubly sickening is that Elizbeth Edwards’ remarks were particularly inspiring. My takeaway from the whole thing ran along the lines of — wow, what a team. Why isn’t anybody talking about THAT?
(And for the record, I’m an undecided as far as the 2008 primary goes.)
Well said. Very well said, in fact.
The Edwards are showing leadership in the face of adversity.
Real leadership, not the “let’s check with the consultants first” leadership.
Yes, Edwards, is, indeed a real threat to win the nomination.
A decent man.
More electable than the Hill Obama novelties.
And in comparison to the flakes and slugs on the other side ?
You kidding me ?
Thanks for this post! I really hate the death warrant aspect of a lot of these “she has cancer” stories. By god, STFU if you can’t do anything but pity Elizabeth. Let her live her life. We play the cards we are dealt — that is all any of us can do. I am a breast cancer survivor and I had a completely healthy sister who dropped dead of a stroke when she was 38 years old. Which would YOU think is a better way to go?
Life is promised to noone — no matter how smug or Republican you are!
Pach at 60 — Absolutely. The discussions we’ve had here on World Aids day, among others, are some of the most open and honest about loss from that horrible disease that I have ever been privileged to have. I think most folks in the FDL community have more than lived with tough losses in their lifetimes, as have most people with any ability to feel.
And yet, we move forward…because that is what people with a spine do.
from today’s snow job - bush will veto the house supplemental bill, will not honor subpoenas.
the press are asking some good questions.
selise @ 61
I’m not a mod, but you weren’t out of line, IMO.
Jay Carney smells like a concern troll.
He has managed to disqualify the three leading contenders for the Democratic nomination. Two are not white males, and the other one is duty-bound to drop out of the race because of his wife’s illness. Or, if he continues in the race, Carney implies he is some kind of jerk.
Carney’s “concern” for Edwards’ family is so touching.
OK. I’m totally ready to go beat the fucking shit out of Jay Carney. Seriously, what a fucking douchbag.
Phoenix Woman @
54
Peter may be the “bane of concern trolls” as you say but I think that maybe he is just not understanding what Jane is trying to convey here, that this Carney appears to be feigning concern over his real agenda of tearing down the Edwards bid for the presidency…
Arlen’s Ph 1 202 224 4254
Emergency appropriations bill passed in House.
OldCoastie @ 28
You have a ninja suit? I think I’m jealous.
Jane@24:
Continued good wishes on your ongoing battle.
Peter @ 30:
I HAVE cancer and I don’t have a problem with Jane’s comments. In fact, I agree with her comments completely.
My condolences to Cathy Seipp’s family, especially to her young daughter.
I don’t anyone who’s ever lain down and died when they were told they had cancer, including the one who was told that if the chemo didn’t work, he had a couple of days to a couple of weeks.
Carney probably is scared of cancer (lots of people are) and doesn’t know how to handle the subject. He ought to take lessons from the Edwardses.
neurophius @ 72
It’s not concern. It’s fear.
He knows that he has to do something to kill the sympathy-vote factor, even if it means revealing himself to be a stupid asshole.
LindyH @ 77
yah - goes with my jetpack ;-)
epu’d
jane–
mentioning this again not to blow my own horn, but to blow a horn for you, loud and clear
i hit paypal in your honor a little while ago, (and hit it yesterday, too, after i made out my bills), and to reward you for taking your walk…..
((((fdl))))
and to those of you who live-blog the news shows-my eternal thanks,
no cable, only get pbs and on dial up, so really appreciate the recaps of the shows…….and what’s going on…….
“tightness in his overstarched drawers”
Oh, I just love it when Christy gets all sassy!
And more seriously, It’s just such a shame that people of the beltway ilk must always bring the discussion down to their level. Instead of seeing this announcement as a powerful statement for people who are dealing with great illnesses to live their lives to the hilt, it’s brought down to “bwah, you’re being so political, bwah, you’re showing off, bwah, i hate you because you’re too real, no really, you’re being too real! STOP IT!!!!”
Well, we all live in the real world and it was refreshing today to see two VERY public figures live in it with us.
Advantage Jane.
My, my @
73
I think you are probably right.
Politics as bloodsport. It’s sickening. The Edwards Family is inspiring. The news of Elizabeth’s Cancer is a devastating personal blow to their family. It is time for prayers and grace. Their decision to carry on at this time is surely theirs to make. To claim they are being self serving at this moment is despicable. I have been a supporter of John Edwards since his run in 2004. The white male issue has nothing to do with it. It is the power and conviction of his words. Instead of attacking his views the noise machine attacks his looks, his manliness, his achievements and now his personal tragedy. The Republicans make sick.
Peter @
31
If I may be so bold and go where others do not, I believe you will find that many of the posters here at FDL, including the author of the post we are commenting on, are dealing with cancer themselves; some with multiple recurrences. Most of the rest of us have dealt with it through family or friends. It is reality (such an unreal concept).
(Off my soapbox now)
It is certainly true that with effective treatment, Elizabeth Edwards could live many years.
We might consider a list of fighting Dems who refused to give up when faced with physical adversity:
Franklin Delano Roosevelt - polio
Max Cleland - paraplegic
etc.
and cut-and-run Republicans who abandoned their spouse, family or both:
Newt Gingrich - visited his wife while she was in hospital to let her know he was divorcing her for a trophy
Rudy Giuliani - flouted his mistress repeatedly in front of his family
George W Bush - checked off not wanting to go to Vietnam on his AFNG entrance questionaire
etc.
Peter @ 31
Jane has cancer, Peter. We wish Jane and Elizabeth all strength.
Peter @ 31
Apparently you don’t come around here much. If you did, you’d know that Jane has the most authority and right to speak on this subject of anyone. You might want to do some research before you make stoooopid comments.
Just saying.
To be president means to give everything you have to your country. It’s a tremendous burden. The first family makes incredible sacrifices, too: witness the obsession with the clenis and clintoris, or the nasty things said about Chelsea with impunity.
President Bush is, of course, an exception, with plenty of time for his treadmill, and a nice ranch in Argentina where his daughters can party in private.
Anyhow, all this handwringing over Elizabeth Edwards is absurd. Running for president isn’t like remodeling a kitchen — it demands superhuman strength. So, too, does fighting cancer. And I can’t think of anybody other political figures who have shown more strength, more fortitude than the Edwardses.
cleter @ 46, “the anti-Newt” is brilliant.
Phoenix Woman @ 70
thanks, but it hit too close to home and i typed in anger without thinking… jane was right - it could have been a newbie who didn’t understand what jane was saying or where commenters are coming from.
i should have given the benefit of the doubt. my apologies to peter.
This is one of those days I feel like I’m living on Mars. I was completely unprepared for the wingnut bile over the Edwards’ announcement. Don’t those folks have mommies who taught them manners? Where is Molly Ivins when we need her. She would have the perfect slapdown.
The ReThugs are showing their souls, but this nation isn’t buying anymore.
Peter @
31
Jane Hamsher:
Very good with a hatpin.
Also, I’m no expert on manners or civility, but isn’t it polite to express one’s sadness and support first…and then, after a day or two maybe, start to analyze the damn fall-out.
Condescending drivel and wrong too. Dipstick says “bone cancer is particularly lethal”. Elizabeth Edwards doesn’t have primary bone cancer; she has breast cancer which has metastasized. Big difference.
LOL
I opened the link in another expecting to be in swampland, where I could join in comments. But no, the guy didn’t have the stones to post it there.
Actually, that’s probably unfair–this is a story big enough for dead trees. But it still made me laugh.
What a tool.
Gawddamnitall but this crap by Carney and the rest of the right-wing monkey horde pisses me off.
What would they say about FDR today even as they collect their Social Security checks — that he milked his disability for sympathy votes?
The Republican Party has become the standard for ill-bred, poorly read, untraveled boorishness, and their corporate owned media their disgusting magic mirror.
A pox on their ill-mannered, inconsiderate houses.
It’s not surprising the republic party has to attack edwards looks, and pretend his family doesn’t have the right to make their own decisions about whether or not to continue his campaign because of his wife’s health. What else do they have. They are the party of corruption, war, lies, and convicted criminals.
I’m holding out for Gore, but that doesn’t diminish my respect for the Edwardses. (sp?)
obey on the house floor speaking about the supplemental iraq( ) funding bill. on c-span.
I have to say, America is showing really badly today. The Politico comments were full of Drudge people acting like creeps. It’s really too nasty to visit even after the worst comments were deleted.
In cases like this, it isn’y too hard to say the right thing or the decent thing, and you can always say nothing, or even wait a few days and speak your mind. But I’ve seen dozens of people use this moment as a time to be nasty.
Mike Johnson @
91
Paraguay. Argentina is a REAL country. I doubt Bush would feel comfortable there now. Maybe if he had a time machine to take him back to 1977.
OldCoastie @ 81
**gasp!** a jet pack!
selise @ 101
what did they just vote on, selise? I must be mixed up.
Phoenix Woman @ 36
I am just a macho male, so what do I know? Nevertheless, I think this Christian Louboutin might do.
http://www.stylehive.com/bookmark/104363
It was said today the Elizabeth Edwards cancer in no longer considered “curable”, but rather only “treatable”.
There are many of us who live in such a world and find a way to be happy with what we’ve got today even though the likelihood of seeing our 70th birthday is slim.
What shame that so many people seem to think that life should come to a screeching halt because a loved one has cancer. I just don’t like all this treating it like a death sentence sort of business, just because it’s the big “C” word.
Mrs. Edwards is a human being first. I have no idea what kind of discussions took place between Mr. and Mrs. Edwards and it’s nobody’s business. I speculate, however, that it was her desire for life to go on as usual and for her to do what she has been doing, helping with her husband’s campaign and to deal with health situations as they arise, IF and WHEN they arise. Period.
I have a feeling this Peter person does not quite “get” context.
Slothrop @ 94: Jay Carney’s job isn’t to analyze the fall-out. It’s to create it.
Go Jane! Keep those daggers sharp.