
(Electoral college numbers map via The Talent Show.)
Readers will be happy to know that the House Subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative law voted to authorize Full Committee Chairman Conyers to issue subpoenas for WH and DOJ officials and documents this morning. The motion to do so passed by voice vote. (I hear this via e-mail — will post a link when I get one.) Will let you know more from the Senate when I get some news. Please keep those calls going, though — support for public scrutiny and accountability is important today.
And now on to the motivation for the DoJ mess and the US Attorney firings. It’s “the math.”
Remember before the 2006 election when Karl Rove did a weird little NPR interview — in late October of 2006, to be exact — about how the polls were or were not shaping up for the Republican Congressional possibilities. And Rove said this (via RawStory):
“You may end up with a different math, but you’re entitled to your math,” Rove said. “I’m entitled to ‘the’ math.”
Let’s all take a peek at the above electoral college map — and contemplate which states are solidly red and blue — and which states are potentially on the verge. And then let’s contemplate, of those states on the map, which of them have US Attorneys who were fired or are involved somehow in the current mess with the Department of Justice and “Rove’s Shop.”
And then, just for kicks, take a peek at what Bob Geiger found:
Durbin is referring to a study done by Shields and Cragan showing that, under the Ashcroft/Gonzales Justice Departments from 2001 through 2006, a vastly disproportionate number of Democratic officials were scrutinized when total investigations were viewed based on political party affiliation.
“We compare political profiling to racial profiling by presenting the results (January 2001 through December 2006) of the U.S. Attorneys’ federal investigation and/or indictment of 375 elected officials,” write the authors in their study. “The distribution of party affiliation of the sample is compared to the available normative data (50% Dem, 41% GOP, and 9% Ind.).”
The Shields-Cragan report reveals that, of the 375 investigations of public officials conducted by the Bush Justice Department, 298 — or almost 80 percent — were done against Democratic public officials. Only 67 investigations were performed on Republicans, while 10 probes were done on people affiliated with the Independent, Green or other parties.
“Our ongoing study of the Bush Justice Department (to be published in 2009) investigates the implications of the Bush/Ashcroft/Gonzales Justice Department’s blended religious-fundamentalist and neo-conservative rhetorical vision,” write Shields and Cragan. “The study views the impact of the Justice Department’s vision on the fight against public corruption and reveals the non-proportionate political profiling of elected Democratic officials.” (emphasis mine)
When you add in the fact that, as I am told through the grapevine this morning, a number of campaign finance violations cases that have been brought by US Attorneys were, in fact, brought without first seeking a majority vote of the FEC as required by law — and that these cases are likely to be dismissed over the next few weeks in pending litigation. Well, that adds up to a whole lot of math, now doesn’t it?
Congress — ALL of Congress, regardless of party affiliation – has a duty to the American public of providing oversight. Karl Rove’s focus has always been on the electoral math and gaming the system to win elections. Nothing else, and I mean NOTHING else, matters to “Rove’s shop.” You want to know what the root of the US Attorney firings is? Follow “the math.”
How much of the “loyalty” question for DoJ evaluations of US Attorneys had to do with loyalty to Karl Rove’s vision of “the math?” Gaming the rule of law for your own perverted political ends — by whatever means necessary? Just one of the many reasons that Karl Rove should testify in public, under oath, and on the record.
UPDATE: From Hugh in the comments — this is exactly what I was talking about above:
Referring to the map above, here is the list of fired attorneys
David Iglesias (District of New Mexico)
H. E. Cummins III (Eastern District of Arkansas)
Paul K. Charlton (District of Arizona)
John McKay (Western District of Washington)
Daniel Bogden (District of Nevada)
Margaret Chiara (Western District of Michigan)Carol Lam (Southern District of California )
Kevin V. Ryan (Northern District of California)6 of the attorneys come from states that are not completely red or blue. The other 2 are from the country’s largest state and a major source of campaign contributions California.
Coincidence? I think not. And the USAs from California? Contemplate, just for a moment, what an electoral prize CA would be in the upcoming 2008 election.




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Impeach!
Dick Cheney Controls Tim Russert.
…Rove said. “I’m entitled to ‘the’ math.”
Rove is “entitled” to an orange jumpsuit.
Christy!
It all ads up. Makes Watergate look like Ding Dong School.
Loyalty questions? Did someone say “loyalty” questions?
I can just imagine Sampson sitting in his office, looking at files and photos, asking the question over and over: “Are you now, or have you ever been, a card-carrying lib’rul?”
With apologies for the repetition, Karl Rove lacked a math class to earn his college degree. Looks like it mighta been time well invested.
Christy!!!
I have just added another mite to my ongoing donation. If we are to survive the current treason, it will only be because of the groups like this. Rove is a cockroach.
Quote of the Day for me:
Conyer’s office: “The World called today!”
Go FDL bloggers!!!
EPU’d from last thread but on topic here:
There’s apparently a difference between “authorization” and “approval.” From the NYTimes via AP:
Accept no Shrubstitutes!
Thought of the Day:
Rove under oath!
How motivating…
punaise @ 3
And a cellmate named Bubba.
When I first read the list of states from which the USAs were fired, I noticed they were almost all Dem states. My first clue…
Don’t forget to call the repubs on the list, too. Made a call to Specter’s DC office and they are keeping a tally.
Go Christy!
The findings of this report are fucking obscene.
IMPEACH ALREADY, PELOSI
I’m hoping Minnesota will be solidly blue in 2008. Coleman will be out of the Senate. And Repug governor, Pawlenty, will be on a national GOP ticket (as is being rumored), to be therefore replaced by a Dem.
Does anyone have a special line to David Schuster? I’m calling MSM numbers to ask them to get reporters to investigate (i.e., report) the 18 day gap– it’s a sensational, MSM friendly story, but I don’t see it anywhere so far. Might be good to have a bunch of folks call the MSM after the Congress members.
Posts by Christy: 100% winners; no losers
Do the math!
christy – i think the senate judiciary committee hearing to consider subpoenas is tommorrow morning.
EPU’d
My letter to Grassley of Iowa.
They hate me in their office because I am a burr on the elephants ass.
Dear Senator Grassley,
I urgently conveyed the following to poor Caleb verbally. I apologize if I was too impolite. But Ivoted for you twice and You, Senator Grassley, WORK FOR ME.
1.What is the Senator’s position visavis IG Fine regarding FBI abuse of NSL Letters?
2. What is your position regarding subpoenas of Miers and Rove?
3. Isn’t executive privilege limited to National Security issues? How does this apply to this situation(USA scandal)
4.What is your position on the politization of judiciary?
5.What does the nomination of Matt Dummermuth have to current scandal? What was your communications with Mr. Sampson?
6.Why the 18 day gap in the 3000 page document dump visa vis USA Attorney scandal?
I wait your answers with bated breath.
Very respectfully your,
Vote now before it gets freeped – currently 91% dems – make it 99.9%!
President Bush and Democrats in Congress seemed destined for a showdown over the firing of those eight U.S. attorneys.
So who’s right ?
President Bush. He’s right when he calls this a “partisan fishing expedition” since there’s no indication anyone did anything wrong. (9.4%)
The Democrats. They’re demanding “true accountability” which they say is only possible when testimony is on the record and under oath. (91%)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17720008/
selise at 19 — That is what I understand as well. But there are a number of behind-the-scenes things going on today, and I’d love it if everyone can keep the calls rolling in today, if at all possible. Spine pressure is agood thing in my opinion.
While they are waiting on the WHite House to come out of their “forteress” mentality, would it be reasonable to consider a subpoena for many of these still-active US-A’s?
One simple question would open up another big can of worms, “Were you ever involved in discussions where your superiors encouraged you in ANT way to concentrate on Democratic targets for investigations and avoid Republican targets?”
Just line em’ up, under oath, and pop that question 85 times.
Someone’s gonna crack, and tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth because they see the impending pendulum of Justice swinging closer, or, less likely, decide their moral values outweigh their political loyalties.
And, unless I am mistaken, Bush can not keep them from testifying because the are not WH.
Just the threat of such a wide-ranging investigation might loosen up Bush’s unprededented and, I believe, grossly immoral and illegal, executive privelege choke-hold.
Also, “The Gap” will take on a new, non-commercial meaning over the next few days, it may well become part of the colorful, chameleon vernacular of “the internets.”
Christy et al – epu’d due to slow toobz-
Here’s a *very* relevant article from NC that points out potential problems (past, present & future) when there are questions about the ASUs & political influence:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/…..941877.htm
Hell’s bells & codfish….it’s gonna be epu’d again if the pipes don’t get unclogged.
Heidi @ 17
Oh yeah — I would definitley call Schuster myself. Remember folks — Cheney watched Hardball and it REALLY pissed him off! LOL
Oh shit, Ted Stevens is gonna be late for his Pilates class!
There seems to be a jackknifed semi up on Inner-tube 80. Causing alot of backups in these parts. Got that, big-buddy? Over and out.
Karl Rove doin the Frogwalk!
Unbelievable. It never ends. I made my calls. Thanks, Christy.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 22
OH YEAH!
i expect senators are going to decide TODAY how to vote TOMORROW.
no time to lose.
Christy,
Appropo of your post, see this excerpt from the June 2004 Atlantic Online story by Joshua Green, “Playing Dirty”. It refers to Tim Griffin, the Rove protege, the erstwhile replacement for ousted Arkansas U.S. Attorney, Bud Cummins.
“As he directs the investigation of Gore’s statements in real time, [Tim] Griffin, standing next to a sign that reads ON MY COMMAND—UNLEASH HELL (ON AL), pauses for a moment to reflect on his role. “We think of ourselves as the creators of the ammunition in a war,” he says. “We make the bullets.”
Read the whole story http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200406/green
More EPU’d treasure from Mary4:
Mary4 @ 211
Let’s add another component to “the Math”. During the time in question, the republicans were in power, meaning there were more republicans, catapulting the odds of a dem being investigated vs a repub to well over 80%.
Add to that the fact that – well – who would want to bribe someone with no power?
In this case the statistics reveal the damn lies instead of hide them……
Christy, Thanks getting us going. Responded to Congress. And put in a penny for firedoggies.
DOS?
[me edit @ 9:19]-
Ummmm, make that “USAs”.
Rayne?
A story about Chiara in the Grand Rapids Press was front paged yesterday. Big, black and bold and above the fold. That article was THE leading headlne. *happy dances* It was about her blistering emails and her wrangling as she was told to leave. *evil grin*
I figure you might want to know that particular detail if you didn’t already hear about it. ^_^
Referring to the map above, here is the list of fired attorneys
David Iglesia (District of New Mexico)
H. E. Cummins III (Eastern District of Arkansas)
Paul K. Charlton (District of Arizona)
John McKay (Western District of Washington)
Daniel Bogden (District of Nevada)
Margaret Chiara (Western District of Michigan)
Carol Lam (Southern District of California )
Kevin V. Ryan (Northern District of California)
6 of the attorneys come from states that are not completely red or blue. The other 2 are from the country’s largest state and a major source of campaign contributions California.
Yeah, it was probably all just a coincidence.
It would also be interesting to see the geographic distribution of the 298 Democrats targeted and where those campaign finance cases occurred as well.
Is the Shields and Cragan data available in a form that permits state by state, USA by USA district focus? It’s almost certain that the bulk of the prosecutions of Democrats will be found in 20-25 of those districts, probably marginal state focussed as this post suggest.
But, in any event, why not look at the dozen USA districts where the D prosecutions are high, and the D / R prosecution ratio is high. Statistically, that’s where the bodies would be buried.
I’m just wondering what the hell the Repub’s have been telling the Iraqis when they have wanted to explain to them how Democracy works … ?
No reason to be amazed that Iraq’s a complete mess.
Christy, once again you nail it.
I’ve been speculating on this for a while. They really did believe The Math.
Remember the Bush presser the day after the election, where he axed Rummy and conceded the “thumpin’”? He also got in quite the dig at Rover when asked about their infamous reading contest:
Shrub was pissed. *That* was a rare glimpse of his Truth. Their hubris really left them unprepared for the Dem majority and its consequences.
They had built a whole bunch of levees — all hopefully small-scale enough to avoid MS detection — traditional campaign tactics, purged voter roles, ballot hanky-panky, and this whole strategic use of DOJ to strengthen their electoral hand — and yet they were still surprised when the levees were overtopped by the pissed-off voter surge.
(Katrina reference deliberate.)
I’m going to make more calls. These people are despicable, and I want our country back. Now.
Follow the math works, but follow the Carol Lamm investigation is probably even better.
You want to get to the heart of the matter, find out about the Cunningham/Foggo evidence…
I think you are correct that this was Rove’s MO, but what isn’t explained is, what went “wrong”?
By the time Rove was doing his “happy happy joy joy” thing, it could not have been any more obvious that GOP was in trouble. And GOP in trouble meant the cat was soon to be out of the bag.
So how did the boy genius fall down this time? They would have to had these USA’s fired a YEAR ago.
Someone needs to do the study to counter the inevitable Freeper spin: just what were the percentages of investigations, D-vs-R, during the Clinton Administration.
Hugh @ 37
Well, Western MI (cHIARA) is more red than blue, and MI has two Dem senators and a Dem governor who was nearly defeated by Dick “Mr. Amway” deVos, b-in-law of Eric “Blackwater” Prince. Plus Carl Levin and John Conyers. So, a few scandals here, an couple of investigations there could make a huge diff.
seems like the first obvious sniff of this mess was when the USA got canned for persuing…. Abramoff? Delay? (can’t think)… for the Marianas business….
Randomfactor @ 43
I prefer this contrast to counter the Freepers. Al Kamen notes in today’s WaPo “In the Loop” column:
Makes kind of a nice contrast, doesn’t it?
Hugh @ 37
If ayone has the list of the 298, I’ll crunch it. Sometimes it’s good to be unemployed
Carolyn in Baltimore @ 32
I agree. Didn’t the Republicans take over control of the House and Senate essentially in 1994? And the Bush Administration is looking like being one of the most corrupt in our history. It seems hard to believe that a lot of that didn’t bleed back into the states and local districts.
Bil @ 27
that should put a smile on Joe Wilson’s face this morning.
Quick question then I have to go work. I read some of the DOJ e-mails and Sampson was talking about replacement candidates. The memos show contact is Senators if they are R, but for MI where not R senators, the contact was the ‘Republican lead’. Anyone know if this is illegal or just untraditional or what?
Slothrop @
41
I had been thinking a couple of months ago, “Whatever happened to the Porter Goss, Dusty dust-up anyway???” I was expecting so much more out of the Abramoff case. And the David Safavian case, Gannon/Guckert, and others. Each one of these I thought was going to be enough to bring the bastards down, but they seemed to disappear!
I guess we now know why none of these became, or have become (wishful thinking!), big bombshells. Like I’ve heard around here before…
It’s not the crime…it’s the coverup that gets ya! Yeehaw!
SteinL @ 39
Bush advisor: Well, Mr. Maliki, it’s really very simple. You steal the money and then you lie.
Maliki: I begin to see the wisdom of democracy.
And one more thing. (Sorry. We hit a nerve.)
For anyone who’s in a position to help spread this word to the broader audiences, there’s a serious button to push.
This crew’s hubris isn’t just about their own power and immunity to rules. It’s that they think they’re better than us. They’re smarter than us. They believed they could pull this sh*t because we’re too damn stupid to notice.
Just like the social conservatives, who are slowly waking up to the fact they’ve been used, largely against their own economic interest, to advance this gang’s power.
Folks will be pissed off when they realize the degree to which they’ve been underestimated and manipulated to feather the nests of a privileged few.
That needs to be a serious message, because when Americans get mad (Foley, Dubai ports), stuff happens. And I think we’re at the tipping point that it’s finally going to stick.
(OK. Now I’ll take my ire to the phones.)
Hugh @ 37
KKKKarl mentality: If I can get 6 electoral votes here, and 11 here, and 9 here, etc. I’ll be in D.C. forever and the Dems can kiss my a**!
Has anyone seen any coverage of the fact that McCain was among the 4 senators that did NOT vote on the repeal of the US Attorneys appointment provision of the Patriot Act? Has he made a statement regarding his position? Even Lieberman voted for the change
OldCoastie @ 45
Yeah, Black.
Also, anyone hear what Mr. Abramoff is doing these days? I remember hearing last fall that he was still outside b/c he was singing to the FBI, word was he even had his own desk there. Or was he just conducting his biz from a subsidized office? Enguiring minds…
Speaking of Karl Rove, I’ve been wondering for quite a while . . .
Is there any precedence for an administration to have a taxpayer-funded office for Political Advisor in the WH? Wouldn’t this more properly be a national party committee position? Why are American taxpayers paying for staff and expenses for what is obviously a purely partisan position in the Executive Branch?
This isn’t snark. I’d really appreciate any answers or comments you guys might have.
http://www.epluribusmedia.org/…..iling.html
Another simple comparison that might be made woudl be to outline the nature of the investigations against Dems (Acorn bottom level money-grubbers lining their pockets with chump change by adding illegal nemes to the voter roles) versus conspiring to “fix” voting machines or to illegally disenfranchise voters on technicalities.
While it is one thing to have an 8 to 1 ratio of Dem v R’s, (that should be obvious enough to inspire a COngressional investigation) but compare those investigations in terms of gravitas, and the picture is even more clear.
Biodun @ 16
Important to note that Pawlenty is doing the Dancing with the Stars thing with McCain. If that isn’t the death knell for a rising Republic star, don’t know what would be. Lots of activity here to unseat Norm “The Chameleon’s Chameleon” Coleman. Slithery little devil, he.
2strange @ 55
I haven’t seen any coverage. He was off campaigning during the votes.
CNN International doing a half-way decent (at least not skewed R) job of reporting on the ASU firings.
bonkers @ 51
Or, “It’s easy to commit the perfect crime, if you’re in charge of the investigation.”
Bugboy @ 58– those PDF’s are pretty interesting at the link you posted, eh?
wow.
Has anyone come up with a link bewteen the staffer in Specters office who inserted the language into the Patriot act that made all of this possible and the WH?
Not sure if this was posted earlier – Feinstein is looking into another USA departure, Yang from LA. She left after opening an investigation ooooooooooo Jerry Lewis R-Hell.
And an amusing observation. I love the number of posts tat include the pfrase “and then I have to get to work” or some variation
Nola Sue @ 54
I think they also counted on the fact that we would remain afraid. 9/11 worked very well for them. Their bet paid off for a long time, but it looks like the shelf life on that fear was not the 8 years they hoped for.
Randomfactor @
43
Second! I’d really like to see the same statistic (investigations and indictments of public officials, broken down by party affiliation of target) for the period January 1997 through December 2002, say.
tbsa @ 65
The allegedly “overzealous staffer”, nudge nudge, wink wink?
aliasofwestgate @
36
Hey, got a link to the article? Prolly GRPress? Haven’t seen it yet — and I’d love to! That hometown of Gerry Ford must be cringing…
pachelbelle @ 58
Excellent question.
Hugh @
48
Check out this site:
http://www.epluribusmedia.org/…..iling.html
The Political Profiling of Elected Democratic Officials: When Rhetorical Vision Participation Runs Amok
Specifically
“Appendix C: Only Local Public Elected Officials (Non-Congress and Non State-Wide) Investigated by the Bush Justice Department”
The data goes only through 2001-2006. It would be interesting to go back to 1994 to get an even better picture of these events though.
angie @ 64
Yeah, I had a animal behavior prof in college by the name of Don Sheilds so I checked up on these guys, they’ve been doing research since the early 70’s. Not the same guy tho.
This work is going to get a LOT of attention, believe me.
When you call your Senators and Reps, be sure to ask, “When did loyalty to the President become a prerequisite to becoming a Federal Employee?”
Gang, the Civil Service Act forbids this, your party affiliation or lack of one is not supposed to bar you from being hired.
This is highly illegal, and rating the US Attorneys on this basis is a crime in and of itself.
Live like a Republican
Vote Democratic
How do you really feel DUO?
Will this do?
Go, Conyers! (and Pelosi)
Anybody mind posting phone numbers of various offices to phone? Thank, will call all
everhopeful @ 22
Bush down to 7.6% !
Saw the same thing on ahem [clears throat] 3/16.
1,462 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Harden Smith and the Firepup Patriots:
Firedoglake is now the vanguard for mobilizing the public to form behind their elected public officials and demand that the Constitution be protected and implemented. Thank you and Jane and Pach and Marcy for that…I am serious when I say that the country owes you a great debt. There is a large space for you opening up in the history now unfolding.
But to the point, understanding that there are many complicated movements in the kabuki that has begun with Bush’s defiance of the judiciary committees but since I’m an old geezer with only 3 brain cellz left, could we cut through the meat and get to the bone so ta speak…doesn’t the whole dance revolve around the subpoenas which are most certainly goin’ to the Supreme Court? Doesn’t the immediate future of our constitutional government rest on the Votes of 9 justices and , in my opinion, more specifically one Justice Mister Anthony Kennedy?
There may be alternatives for Congress including impeachment if the Supreme Court does not support the subpoenas but won’t we be in a civil war situation with the major institutions of our system lined up on each side. Look at the electoral map and fill in the states that went blue in ‘06 and tell me you don’t get the very uneasy feeling of deja vu back to 1860?
Like I said,I only got 3 brain cellz left Christy and I need 1 fer the left foot and 1 fer the right, that only leaves 1 ta chew gum and try and figure all this stuff out. So in deference to my age,experience and mental limitations, I get make generalizations from limited information. So isn’t the decision of the Supreme Court on the subpoenas the linchpin in the process right now?
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, IT LOOKS LIKE GOD IS GUNNA NEED US!!
pachelbelle @ 57:
I’ve wondered the same thing for some time. Even done some fruitless and frustrating web searches on same.
“Our enemies operate secretly and they seek to attack us from within.”
– Alberto Gonzales
OMG. You just tied the whole thing together, Christy. In a neat little bow. Kudos, again. Firedoglake is ON IT and scooping ‘em all.
Brilliant.
From another thread — Mary 4 thinks they tried to tamper with Fitz:
Mary4 @ 172
Mary, I love you. Why Fitz wrote to Comey for clarification. And Fitz says it would be improper for him to give his opinion on the Plame investigation, but he sure was holding the door open. Be still my beating heart! Oh God, letters to Levin and Conyers, request the Fitz tell you about any calls he got trying to influence. You *know* they tried.
drbonzo @ 68
Such as this study?
Zee @ 67
Bite your tongue! My hidden, tin foil hat persona has been quietly wispering to me that another attack in the USA might happen if things get too dire for the cabal. Things are not looking good for them at the moment and likely gonna get worse, way worse. I just think these killers are capable of anything. Congress needs to act fast!
Hugh @ 38
Note that Cummins was also investigating a Missouri case.
http://www.firedupmissouri.com…..t_on_blunt
Brisingamen @ 74
Ding!
Slothrop @ 41
. . . and Darrell Issa and Duncan Hunter and Mitchell Wade of MZM and Brent Wilkes of ACDS and..and..and..so many others including:
Cheney’s involvement with Mitchell Wade and a $140K no-bid contract July 2002 for office furniture and Wade buying a yacht for Cunningham two weeks later using a cashiers check for $140K
(I don’t know how to do the linky thingy, but it was on Think Progress a couple of days ago)
david baerwald @ 64
Or life is easy for the foxes when they are in charge of the hen house.
2strange @ 55
Yeah, but Hagel didn’t!
One of the professors who authored that study remarked also that the results make him worry about the one’s who were *left* in their positions.
Christy – That was just an awesome exercise of pulling together a bunch of info that paints a dam*ing picture for this administration. It just makes me wonder what else they’ve been pulling and hiding from us.
Rayne, they seem to have hidden it too well at the moment. I’ll have to dig up the article after i get back from work tonight. I’m finding a lot of companion pieces to it and two new ones from today as well.
But not that particular headline. The new ones describe a ‘fall from grace’. Which right now? I want to throttle that particular reporter for being an echo chamber.
I’ll find the other one, i just need more time to do so! *grins*
tbsa @ 65
The Staffer was Brett Tolman. Tolman was on the staff of Orin Hatch and when Specter was made chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Hatch sent Tolman to Specter. Tolman said he inserted the “language” at the request of the Justice Dept.(we now know that means from Karl’s shop)
Brett Tolman was rewarded for his good work by being sponsored for a USA job by Orin Hatch. Brett Tolman is now one of the USA’s in Utah. Kyle Sampson was supposed to get the other position until he fucked-up and got caught.
OT, Christy, but happy birthday (yesterday) to the Peanut. Cherish her, my oldest daughter’s birthday was yesterday too (she just turned 18!) and time really does just go by in a flash. In honor of their joint birthday, here for the Peanut is a list of some of my daughter’s favorite books from when she was little: Good Night Gorilla; Ten Minutes ‘Till Bedtime; The Hungry Thing; King Bidgood’s in the Bathtub; and finally The Seven Silly Eaters.
San Juan Island Artist @ 78
Here and scroll down abt a screen.
Haven’t seen you here b4, welcome to the Lake.
Phone numbers and names of folks on both Judiciary Committees (House and Senate) can be found here.
Hotflash @ 86, wouldn’t Mr. Fitzgerald have to report any calls he received trying to influence him? Or would it all be too nuanced since I remember the fired US attorneys took it on the chin until they recognized a pattern?
Steve @ 97
Oh snap!
aliasofwestgate @ 96
Thanks much — take your time, I have to do some running this afternoon.
When you find something, might be best to post it to the Chiara post I wrote over at ePluribus Media Community, so that the rest of the crew can also see it.
http://scoop.epluribusmedia.org
Thanks!
Sally @ 100
He may have done so. To whom would he report them, for instance?
Check out Sirota today on Plame-O-Rama. He really nails it:
http://www.davidsirota.com/
“In the Plame affair, it was the government versus a non-government figure, with the government clearly in the power position. Yet, in this case, reporters granted anonymity to government sources against a non-government figure. Other than Bob Novak, the reporters who perpetrated this were probably not acting out of partisanship – they were probably overwhelmed by their desire to get on the front page, and tragically, they prioritized that self-serving desire over basic journalistic ethics about granting anonymity. In the process, these reporters used their media platform and the protection of anonymity not to challenge or question power (which is their job, after all), but to make sure power – in this case government power – would be harder to challenge and question. Their preening outside Washington courthouses as “heroes” refusing to give up their sources was only the final insult – reporters prancing around in front of other reporters showing off their supposed “courage” to protect not whistleblowers, but top government officials already in power. History’s great muckrakers are surely turning in their graves.”
tbsa @ 65
Brett Tollman was an aide to Specter. He was Spector’s choice (along with Hatch, McConnell and others) for USA Utah. WH wanted Sampson for USA Utah. Tollman and another Spector aide, McNeil involved in inserting provision into Patriot Act and, Voila!, Tollman gets the gig!
(Damn that French!)
From one of the PDFs in Bugboy’s link @ 59:
I see that my new Senator, Amy Klobuchar, was investigated by Bush’s DOJ for her “campaign practices.” Disgusting.
Norske, don’t know abt the legals but Kirk Murphy has a plan to give the Suypremes some moral support. I’d love to meet you in DC and compare pitchfork patterns.
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Highlighting all inaccurate statements plus identifying files and emails that are still missing (One Email from Daniel Bogden was conspicuously damaged to remove several lines)
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One of the aspects of the removal of the US attys. that has not received too much attention but is relevant to the map in Christy’s post is the issue of prosecution of voter fraud cases. Voter fraud prosecution is a Trojan Horse technique for voter intimidation and systematic disenfranchisement of selected populations. The Bush administration likes to get people worried about voter fraud, which does not actually affect election outcomes because putting fake votes in one at a time is simply too inefficient. However, if you get a few people scared that they might wind up in jail for making a mistake on their voter registration, then that can serve as one wedge in the structure of a feasible vote-manipulation scheme. Where does the administration want to fool around with the voting process? In the states where the elections will probably be close!!
It isn’t that they’re stupid, it’s just that they aren’t good at doing the things that the people actually want them to do.
I hope Brett Tolman is being invited by Mr. Conyers and Ms. Sanchez to sing about his part in this misadventure.
JEP @ 60
I’ve been trying to come up with a way to talk about the interminable Republican accusations without dignifying them with the term “voter fraud,” which they don’t deserve. When a paid canvasser signs up “Donald Duck,” it’s not voter fraud because Donald Duck isn’t going to show up to vote. It’s fraud against the Democrats who hired them, not against the electoral system. That’s why the FBI and the prosecutors always drop these cases.
But I’d like a more concise way to explain it.
(I don’t expect serious freepers to listen, but I actually do know people who are subjected to Fox at work and such, but are still susceptible to logic.)
The Chicago Tribune is asking if the reason Fitz got a “middling” evaluation is due to complaints about his agressive pursuit of corruption. John Kass, a pretty staunch Republican, gives a rundown of what Fitz has done and who he might have pissed off. He concludes with a demand that Rove testify under oath and on the record.
The lead editorial asks
and concludes
when I saw the states where this was happening I had the very same thinking. They said 85 of the attorneys were “company” people, that means there are 85 attorneys possibly and mostly likely looking the other way at GOP corruption.
Iglesias, the ousted attorney from New Mexico said, there wasn’t that many voter fraud cases in his state. He said it was mostly innocent errors, yet the DOJ wanted him to prosecute, and he said no.That made his approval rating go down. These people are damn shameless.
in addition, since the options are narrowing in Karl’s strategy, because the people are watching now and not trusting them, they’re doing everything to get back the power in the Congress and ousting ‘underperforming’ attorneys is one way, just like Pat Fitzgerald was labeled ‘undistinguished’ in his performance. May he was in the next round of dismissals.
These people value company loyalty over the rule of law. They scare me. Big time.
The flip side of the coin is the “loyal Bushies.” How about the AGs in Ohio? There were plenty of election issues to investigate. However, one would tend to think that not investigating them would be in the interest of a Bush loyalist.
numerology
only one numeral in rasputin’s/cardinal richelieu’s “math”–50.1%
and you thought reagan’s astrology-based administration was wicked.
Brisingamen @ 74
Excellent point! And they’ve done this over and over again–think of all the people hired for the CPA in Iraq
An excellent post, thank you.
About 2 weeks ago, I saw a guest on either Keith or Hardball talking about this and he pointed out that a new USA in Arkansas could potentially damage Hillary’s candidacy by resurrecting or investigating all the issues Ken Starr eventually abandoned. I’m not a Hillary fan but if she’s nominated …
I wish I could remember who this was but I had a lightbulb moment when I realized that the 2008 election was what the firings were all about. And they had to do it now so the linkage was not so obvious.
And if you look at it that way, why else is Rove involved in a DoJ matter?
Brisingamen @
75
Shouldn’t that kill the “there’s no sign of any laws broken” talking point that I saw all over the place yesterday by republickin spinsters? That’s how they would get to the “overreach” point.
HotFlash @ 104, as you can see, I am still not as cynical as I should be about this Administration. Mr. Fitzgerald would not have anyone to go to. That happens a lot to ordinary mortals in the trenches.
Celtic Music @ 83
I can’t do the search myself because, uh, I’m supposed to be working, but I believe the deal is that Abramoff is in a jail near the Prosecutors office in Maryland, because he meets with them 5 days a week. I don’t know much about Federal Prisons, but I gather his continued cooperation has forestalled his transfer to a less attractive facility farther away.
At one point I recall reading that Abramoff had his own desk at the Prosecutors office, but that may have been metaphorical. Hmm…if only there were a former Prosecutor here to explain…
Shit is getting thick on the house floor this morning over words from the Rep from Mississippi.
Here’s the Senate Switchboard:
1-202-224-3121
Senator Leahy’s number here in Vermont is 802 229 0569
SusanM @ 117
This has been in the works for at least a year, maybe two. Yes, 2008 is the target, but they expected to win in 2006. They had calibrated the machines for a respectable 50.1% and then the Macaca thing and Foley thing came out and tipped the balance. This is ALL ABOUT THE VOTE. The Internet is next. We have 1 1/2 years until Nov 2008.
bonkers @
88
I agree that they’re capable of a violent desperation act. But don’t we diminish their potential damage by highlighting their crimes, thereby making it more difficult for them to further inbed their stranglehold? You’re right. Congress has to be swift…and thorough.
OT, sorry, but I found an e-mail from Elston dated November 29 in file 1-7. I’ve skimmed 26 of 62 (I think) files so far. It’s fun to think that emails from that crucial period were deliberately withheld, but I’m going to keep looking. I hope others will too.
Sally @ 111
From your lips…
Sally @ 119
And he did ask Comey for clarification. All out of the blue. So either he was finding things that made him catch his breath or he was being leaned on. Or both.
Hugh @
92
Or, any idiot can fake a suicide, but it takes a real artist to cause one.
pachelbelle @ 93
Just call me the cliche queen…
Leopards rarely change their spots, and actions speak louder than words…
That’s what Mamma used to say
The redactions are another gap in these documents. There are several places we’ve noticed so far where politicians’ and DoJ employee names have been removed for no apparent reason. Here’s one example from the Gonzopedia:
Page 30
There are 4 redacted Senators, related in some manner to the 3 redacted USAs who had also been considered for forced resignations. Working on the theory that understanding what spared the others (and who they were) may yield understanding or reveal influence, I’ve done some text analysis.
Senators 4 and 6 have been sufficiently redacted as to prevent identification.
Senator 2 begins with M or N. Qualifying Republican Senators are: Mel Martinez (Florida) Mike Crapo (Idaho) Mitch McConnell (Kentucky) Mike Enzi (Wyoming) Norm Coleman (Minnesota)
Senator 3 almost certainly begins with C (or, less likely, O). Qualifying Republican Senators are: Chuck Grassley (Iowa) Chuck Hagel (Nebraska) Craig Thomas (Wyoming) Orin Hatch (Utah) Olympia Snowe (Maine)
One possibility is that the two redacted names are Mike Enzi and Craig Thomas, and that one of the redacted (and spared) attorneys was from Wyoming. This would explain why there are 4 Senators for only 3 attorneys. This is not, however, the only viable explanation.
http://www.docstrangelove.com/…..uments_1-3
That’s one of the things that have been holding up progress. That’s why Conyers’ letter (FoolZero @78) mentions redactions.
Lets not forget that Lam’s area of responsibility covered San Diego, where Duke Cunningham’s seat was “won” by Brian Bilbray. Francine Busby “lost” by a very small margin there in the special election, I believe it was in June. Brad Blog had a lot of info on that race. So, Lam’s firing could also relate to voter fraud like the other 6.
HotFlash @ 128
Then let’s call his ass up there, too. While we’re at it, let’s call all 87 that haven’t testified.
Question for the lawyers out there – a sworn deposition is the same as being under oath, right. To save time they could just submit those to congress.
Christy,
This is a brilliant post. It’s a kind of economic predicition model, like Steve Levitt might do.
The math is so predictive, ain’t it?
I’d love to see Christy on CNN or MSNBC or ABC or CBS, debating some vapid rightwinger about this.
But ofcourse they are afraid of Christy’s
ability to (politely) trash her GOP/righty opposition, so she won’t be appearing any time soon.
They are ducking you, Christy!!
It’s like you are the political equivalent of
some 6′8″ heavyweight champion who has a record of 40-0, with ALL KOs.
They fear Christy, bigtime.
Hey Moderators…
Can you fix the last post 18 day gap…it is overlayed by the ads on my computer…I really want to read it.
Oh thanks all for your continuing coverage…I hear FDL!
Oh and a subpeona for Rove…it is like Fitzmas all over again…
Corry342:
Thanks. I may have picked up the wrong post number. I was responding to pachelbelle’s question if other presidents had had Rove-like folks in the White House, doing purely partisan political work, on the taxpayers’ dime.
SusanM @ 118: “…why is Rove involved in a DOJ matter?” I’ve long assumed that he’s involved in everything.
Kudos Christy for this excellent post. And kudos to Hugh and the rest of the FDL supporters, readers and posters who make this all possible. I am so happy to read something that puts the US attorneys mess into its true context: POLITICS, or more precisely how to rig the eletoral system for Repugs and against Dems.
snow job is on c-span3, being peppered with questions on refusal to allow adminstration officials to testify before congress committees… especially refusal on transcripts.
please oh please – will someone ask about the missing 18 days.
Karl ‘Sweeny Todd’ Rove, just what are we being fed at that little meat pie shop on Fleet ‘Pennsylvania Av.’ Street?
Cujo359 @ 130
http://www.docstrangelove.com/…..uments_1-3
That’s one of the things that have been holding up progress. That’s why Conyers’ letter (FoolZero @78) mentions redactions.
Cujo, in places where no R Sen IIRC the contacts were ‘Republican leads’ but no names given. Any chance that these might be the mysterious missing M/N person?
yes! snow asked about the gap!
selise @ 139
Just asked about the gap, evasion, evasion evasion
Zee @ 125
I agree with ya…was just being dramatic. It is helpful to openly talk about any possibilities with this group of Constitution-haters, no matter how outrageous the theory may be. They’ve proven over and over that they’re willing to do anything for their own gain.
Phoney Blow wants members of congress to realize they have a deal before them that will allow them to get the truth….
Almost spit my coffee onto my monitor.
bonkers @ 119
Got it in one! Exactly — but because this is an Ethics issue, it’s a little harder to explain to Jack & Jill Q. Public. We really need to get that “loyalty chart” in front of the Judiciary committee.
(27 years, and that bloody ethics course they make Federal employees take EVERY YEAR is finally paying off!)
MIller @ 115
These AG’s in Ohio should be brought in to testify, under oath, as to any communications they may have had with the Bush administration or its surrogates with regard to the legal treatment of election-related investigations.
Remember, even if the Bush administration triest to fight any subpoena of members of the executive branch, the Democrats in Congress can still subpoena every single one of the AG’s, both those who were fired and those who remain, to get their side of the story.
And the Democrats should do so.
Once all of the AG’s have spoken, under oath and on camera, it will be very clear by implication what the Bush administration was up to.
There is no way for Bushco. to blunt this approach to the investigation via their “executive privilege” arguments.
OldCoastie @ 142
Spinnig like a top, he is.
the White House Press Corp seems much hungrier these days!
I hate Snow. What the fuck is generous and dignified about the interview offer.
HotFlash @ 141
Maybe. What has happened, at least in my state, where there are no Republican Senators, is that they’ve asked Republican congressmen to come up with names. It wasn’t an inspiring list.
bonkers @ 144
Dang…and I LOVE the dramatic posts. I must be too flumoxed today to ID them. (Can I also claim FDL newbie status for my missing the tone? – only been posting for a couple of days)
Biodun @
17
As Andrew Sullivan said on MSNBC last night, the only way the GOP wins in 2008 is if Hillary Clinton runs. So, there is more than one death spiral peaking out of that map.
Also, David Boies said on MSNBC last night that both Harriet and KKRove will end up in front of Congressional Committees. Though they may come kicking and screaming, both will make the trip.
gap question is getting asked again!
Wil @ 142
thank you, thank you! my connection just stalled for a minute and i missed it.
SusanM @ 118
I saw that; it was Wayne Slater
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17646020/
“SLATER: The chances of that being a coincidence are zero, Keith. That‘s exactly what was happening here. It was important in Karl‘s mind, clearly, to have an ally on board, in Arkansas, a state that‘s going to be very important in the next presidential race if Hillary Clinton is the nominee, a U.S. attorney who will be in a position to look at problems, potentially, with what may have happened in the Clintons when they were living in Arkansas. So this is no mistake, this is no accident. This is by political design.”
Snow is spinning so much he’s making me dizzy…
Mary — there you go — Tony Snow says that “The President has no recollection of ever being asked about the US Attorney firings.” Isn’t that interesting? *g*
Sally @ 111
Excellent point. I haven’t heard his name mentioned as being a possible witness. He could really blow things open.
Waccamaw @ 148
Is Snow melting?
An e-mail from the Center for American Progress reminded me of this:
On Jan. 11, Pryor wrote a letter to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and took issue with the Justice Department’s excuse: “I am astonished that the reason given by your office for the interim appointment is that the First Assistant U.S. Attorney is on maternity leave and therefore would not be able to perform the responsibilities of the appointment. … This concerns me on several levels, but most importantly it uses pregnancy and motherhood as conditions that deny an appointment.” The Pregnancy Discrimination Act states that employers, including the federal government, cannot discriminate on the “basis of pregnancy, childbirth, or related medical conditions.”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 158
So the firings were illegal on their face? I think presidential consent is a requirement, if i recall correctly…
snow job question – when the gap was mentioned, did anyone say “18 day gap”.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 158
Looks like he might be suffering from a medical condition that’s affecting his memory. Maybe he should resign for medical reasons…and to spend more time with his family.
Glad I’m watching this on an empty stomach. Snowjob is at the top of his form on twist & lie, twist & lie.
selise @ 163
not sure – maybe the first time it was asked.
A staffer in Conyers’ office just told me subpoenas have been issued and are being delivered!
Zee @ 152
(Can I also claim FDL newbie status for my missing the tone? – only been posting for a couple of days)
Fare Zee well. ;)
Snow keeps saying that they offered to produce WH documents. Didn’t GW say nyet to WH doc’s?
Check out this statement:
Written by…. Tony Snow, March 29, 1998 in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch about, of course, Clinton. (located by Glenn Greenwald, reported in Editor & Publisher)
Karma really sucks.
Locally there is some really something hinky with the firing of Paul K. Charlton (District of Arizona) because in the fall of 06 there were rumors that Rick Renzi was going to be indicted soon for two very questionable land deals AND the USA was investigating Rep Kolbe’s ties to the Foley scandal AND about a Colorado River trip with pages that was under investigation.
Poof now it is All Gone…. Renzi screaming that it was partisan politics and Kolbe quietly slinks off to Tucson….. just exactly where Foley was in so called Rehab….. at the taxpayers expense ($30K/month)
nitetalker @ 167
ooo. that’s good news! Snow was just sayin’ there is a great deal of difference between “authorized” and “issued”…
Just called Spoectors office. Spoke with Adam. He was very busy. Registered my position with him. Said I’d heard they were keepin score. Also mentioned that I had just read that Arlen was running again in 2010 and here was a chance for him to get on the side of the good guys.
OldCoastie @ 166
Mentioned 18 days, with the specific dates
nitetalker @ 167
Please say you aren’t just messing with us
Just to reiterate, even if the White House asserts executive privilege and successfully blocks or delays the process of getting Miers, Rove, et. al to testify before Congress, it is still possible for Congress to bring in everyone else involved, including all of the sitting and fired AG’s, and ask them for all information regarding Bush administration efforts to influence the nature and scope of their investigations.
So, while Miers, Rove, et. al remain silent, the Democrats build a massive case against them based solely on non-executive branch sources.
I think this approach would work. And weeks of testimony by the AG’s and others involved (even without testimony from the executive branch) would build political pressure for executive branch testimony like a son of a gun.
Thanks Christy for following up on Emptywheel’s observation on the electoral math this morning. It felt like all the little gears finally slid into place. Rove, DeLay, Abramoff, and all their little chums have all been pretty upfront on building their “Permanent Majority”. While most people who have reported on this have had the decency to wince a bit at that phrase, they have utterly failed to clarify what it means… Oligarchy. By definition these people are opposed to democracy preferring instead through whatever means possible to cement their Permanent Majority. While one cannot properly call their machinations a coup attempt, it needs to be stated clearly and often that their core intentions are to irrevocably alter our democracy into something else entirely… I don’t think Bush was either oblivious or disingenuous when he looked into Putin’s soul and “liked what he saw”. You bet Bush liked it, it suited his own ends perfectly.
Some journalist was hammering Snowjob “Was there a crime committed — yes or no!!!”
April asks if a crime was committed.
Tony looked a bit um, taken aback.
Nola Sue @ 170
That is hilarious. If I didn’t know the context, I’d swear that was written this week.
Ouch – he’s getting hammered on why they don’t want the public to know about this.
Too bad we can’t have a “dignified” and “generous” drinking game.
Nola Sue @ 170
Ouch! Snow’s Karma just ran over his Dogma.
I wanna see those White House emails. Especially the one where Rove writes: “Gotta fire Lam, she’s Trouble I tell ya.” And Bush responds, “Righty-o chief!”
The other suspicious comment by Rove is aftert the election where he commented that people who lost “didn’t have a program” in place. The media assumed the program to be a get out the vote program, but I believe it was robo-calls, voter roll purges (aka “vote fraud”), and these suspicious bulk mailers that the RNC uses for vote challenges. I suspect the USA purge was related to USAs who refused the “program.”
Notice the docu dump omits the period in and around the election.
I made my call to John Conyers office and had a great converation with Carol. She said John Conyers really appreciated the support from everyone who has called and that only a few people have spoken against the accountability that’s unfolding. Told her about FDL and she said she’ll check it out later.
And, here’s an idea that might bring attention to the missing 18 minutes…
How about setting up an effort similar to the FDL rubber-stamp event… for all of us to send a TELEGRAM to Bush to demand that he release the missing emails. It might remind the MSM of the flood of telegrams to Nixon, especially if we pointed that out, and get them to write about the missing (incriminating?) information the White House is trying to hide.
Wil @ 180
Says the unemployed one. ;) We at work don’t have that option.
Doc. 2-3 – to Chiara from McNulty:
“The word “performance” obviously has not set well with you and our colleagues. By that word, we only meant to convey that there were issues about policy, priorities and management/leadership that we felt were important to the Department’s effectiveness.”
snow is definitely nauseating.
re snow job – is there a new bunch of white house correspondents? tony is getting hammered about conyers & leahy wanting a transcript. awesome!
JF @ 179
Nola Sue @ 170
This is beautiful. Like its wrapped up in a shiny ribbon.
katymine @ 170
I wondered whatever happened to that. And wait, wait, wait, Foley was rehapped at taxpayer expense?
brisingamen @ 146
because this is an Ethics issue, it’s a little harder to explain to Jack & Jill Q. Public.
Unless you work at a company where ethics is part of orientation and you get a refresher every year (just like anti-harassment and workplace safety). *g*
It really shouldn’t be that difficult to explain it to the general public.
Dude @ 183
That was my thought as well.
I must thank everyone at FDL (again). The insight I gain through this site is immense.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 158
But the US Attorney’s serve at HIS pleasure.
Wil @
174
That’s what the staffer said. I’m skeptical. Maybe she’s getting tired of taking our calls …
Somewhere, Scooter Libby is watching this press conferences and wondering whether his assurances of a pardon will hold up in the evolving political climate.
Flashback – it would be kind of fun to see how McLellan would have reacted to this hammering.
Fresh thread, to give everyone a chance to document more briefing atrocities.
Speaking of the elections — Latest FaBlog: Mother Nature’s Son
so, when Congress issues subpeonas, it there a process server or marshall that delivers them? how do they get to the intended witness?
“Lying sack of sh*t” Tony Snow is on CSPAN3. The media are asking questions on the attorney firings but really aren’t pressing him sufficiently. At least, they are doing something. I wish it were more.
Quzi @ 177
According to Brisingamen at #75, that’s a pretty easy answer…Yes. This should end this talking point.
xyz @ 175: Sounds like you’ve been picking up tips from Patrick Fitzgerald. Build your case from the bottom up.
At least they can’t clamin Clinton did it too, seeing as how several in his adminsration were sent up to the hill to testify.
Deborah @ 184
Great idea !
Deborah @ 183
Western Union doesn’t do telegrams as of Jan 26/2007, only money transfers. We could send a small amount, no idea what the minimum is.
Toleman (USA UT) replaced Paul Warner on 7/21/06 after Warner was promoted to the Federal bench
Deborah @ 184
I regret to inform you that The Last Telegram was sent January 27, 2006
the last telegram
Dru @156 – thank you for finding the precise reference about the Wayne Slater comments. Snow et al are hoping most of us don’t figure out that connection and isn’t it just as nervy as can be that they’re fretting over Schumer being part of this what with his link to the DSCC?
Elliott @ 195
Maybe they’ve been serving him Pangalactic Gargleblasters nonstop since election night ‘06. That would tend to affect one’s memory…
LarrySLC @ 209
Handsome payback for usurping Congressional confirmation of the USA’s.
An interesting piece of research would be to look at the prosecutions of the 8 fired USAs to see how their ratio of Repubs to Dems compared with those still on the job.
I’ve always thought that Rove and Bush want to make a mess of the entire voting integrity system. So far, they have defamed the pre-election polls, defamed the exit polls, defamed the seriousness of election fraud, probably EVEN messed with voter registration numbers (they probably have operatives sign mickey mouse up as a democrat), and defamed between-election polls. Each of these pieces is a critical part of the whole that is used to detect true fraud. And the icing on the cake is to then stack the courts with operatives.
May they be judged appropriately when the time comes.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 158
“…with the approval of the White House.” GWB. March 20, 2007. 5:46 PM. Note he did not say ‘with my approval.” But, he did say the White House was involved. So where are the records?
Via HuffPo:
Senate Committee To Approve Subpoenas Tomorrow… Bush : I Will Block Any Attempt To Subpoena WH Officials… Top Republican: “We All
Know How It Is Going To End”
1,462 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen phred and the Firepup Patriots:
Now yer gettin’ it brother: “…they have utterly failed to clarify what it means…oligarchy. By definition these people are opposed to democracy…”
But you come up short of the prize: “While one cannot properly call their machinations a coup attempt…”
Of course you can properly call what they have been doin since they have been elected as a coup attempt, the Watergate scandal was described as a coup de main but what we experienced in the 2000 election was a COUP plain and simple.- a fascist coup. Be careful not to get too bogged down in spelling that you miss the meaning of the word. What we have here is a fully formed fascist fetus and the Nazis in power want us to let it go to term…that would explain why they’re so set against “partial birth abortion”.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION AND DON’T WASTE TIME ON THE FINE PRINT !!
Yes — firing a Federal employee “because they were not loyal to Bush” is a violation of the Civil Service Act. Details can be found in the Code of Federal Regulations, in the section entitled “Code of Ethics for the Executive Branch.”
Hiring and retention are not to be based on an applicant’s (or employee’s) political party or lack of same.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 158
Could it be that Snow’s admitting that the Preznit does little around the WH besides reading speeches and riding his bike?
Badwater @ 220
Short answer is yes.
lolo @ 207
Except that, you know, Telegrams are no more. Western Union got rid of them, last year I think.
NorskeFlamethrower –
Thanks for your comment. Clearly there is a reason you include “flamethrower” in your name :)
Still I am reticent to throw around words like “coup” lightly. It tends to conjure images in peoples’ minds of tanks rolling down the streets, violent suppression and generals declaring martial law.
I am quite serious about the very real threat that the Permanent Majority poses to our democracy. In fact it was the passage of the Military Commissions Act that finally pushed me to take a more active role in our political discourse (such as it is :) in this country. But that said, for all their efforts they have not succeeded in establishing their Permanent Majority. And I am quite heartened by the uproar (belated though it is) that has ensued from their blatant manipulation of the DOJ. There is truly light at the end of the tunnel.
My previous post was mostly stating the obvious. The folks running the Republican Party do not believe in democracy as such. They see political power as a means to promote the interests of a few at the expense of the many. This is hardly a new notion. I see it regularly on these pages. But what I had failed to see prior to “The Math” connection was that the USA scandal goes beyond your garden variety patronage. Instead it was directly tied to the promotion of their Permanent Majority objective.
bonkers @ 88
I’m waiting for them to reopen the 911 investigations. I thought the 911 commission was a whitewash. Yes they are capable of anything.
And no I’m not a crackpot.
Dude @ 183
Verrrrrrry interesting. Do you remember where you saw Karl’s comment about “the program not being in place”? And what are the suspicious bulk mailers, exactly?
*xyz @ 175
I agree completely. The point was made upthread, and is perhaps the most useful contribution to this amazing thread. Bring all the DA’s to testify under oath that their investigations have not been interfered with or prompted by the political operators. My guess is that most will crack: there is too much out there on paper and in cyberspace to lie. And they all know the consequences of perjury.
The other point, also upthread. All this was never supposed to happen, and if it hadn’t been for Foley (for the House) and Macaca (for the Senate) it wouldn’t happen. Allen’s mouth, Webb’s strength and Hastert’s idiocy went beyond his calculations, which were very fine, and had everything gone off as planned, right on mark. He cuts it close to the bone.
TiredFed @ 215
Maybe they didn’t ask him, they just told him.
phred @ 222
phred, they missed having a permanent majority by one macaca and a pedophile. We are fighting for our lives here, and for our grandchildren’s.
This is my first post here, although I read nearly everything that is posted. You all do a great and really valuable job! I, like so many others, am so glad to see that some streaks of sunshine are beginning to shine through as to what exactly this administration has been doing. I live in TX and have not been represented by anyone, on a national level, for a very long time. I have tried calling their offices, with mixed responses. Cornyn’s office yelled at me one time. KBH’s office is usually nice, even though I know they do not care what I have to say.
My questions about the USA’s firing and the subsequently impending subpoena’s are these – what happens if the subpoena’s are issued and this does go to court? Will it actually end up taking until the end of Bush’s administration to get this sorted out? Isn’t there anything that can be done to prevent it ending up in delay after delay and not really amounting to anything? I am really afraid we have all of this momentum and then pfff… It will be deflated by a court battle with no end. I really hope this is not the case! I would love to have all of ‘em hauled in before congress to testify! It’s the least they could do. Thanks for any answers and thanks to you all!!
bonkers @ 119
US Attorneys are NOT civil servants
Hi Amy,
Welcome to the lake. I don’t think anyone knows what will happen next, but this is definitely a line-in-the-sand moment. If the WH refuses to honor the subpoenas it is in contempt of congress, but usually the DoJ would follow that up and, well, you know the problem there. And the next stop is the Supreme COurt , which is packed and may or may not uphold the Constitution. If Congress goes there and loses, well, HUGE setback.
Impeachment is a possibility (my fave), that does not involve the Supreme Court. It would require 2/3 of the Senate to convict, but before then the House can investigate a lot and hopefully get enough sh*t out in the open so that sufficient Repubs will vote to impeach. A key to that is to pound on elected R’s so that they understand that their jobs are on the line. I see Senator Box Turtle is up fo re-election in 2008. ;)
Amy, Raging Gurrrl at 179 on the next thread (I think it’s the next thread…) is discussing the asubpoena issue right now, seems WH can’t refuse w/o being in contempt, that’s one opinion anyway. The comment is here.
Why is DeLay still walking around spewing his garbage?
And why do networks think the American public cares what he thinks?
I could not agree more. Say it again. This is what Rove does, it’s all he does. It made him a millionaire when he started with nothing (that, plus perhaps a little sell-buy back scam with his political consulting firm).
It’s what made him the “fulcrum and lever” of Texas Republican politics, the guy whose imprimatur was required before the Party would back a candidate. Only now, he’s working on the national and international level (while proving that the avian ‘flu is not the only transnational virus).
With Ryan and Lam fired, and Yang at Gibson, Dunn, Mr. Rove has replaced California’s US Attorneys. What can the new ones do between now and November 2008 to win one for the Grifter?
HotFlash @ 208
Send 30 pieces of silver. He’ll know what it’s for.
Jesterfox @ 234
30 quarters = $7.50. And you can send a message, too. So worth it.
Isn’t that what’s emblazoned over the entrance to the Nixon Museum: “I have no recollection of that, Senator.”
Mr. Nixon avoided removal from office via the impeachment process because he knew Congress had the votes. He left ahead of the hangman, and promptly got his pardon.
In the context of subpoenas to this White House, investigating the possibility of more generalized corruption than the specific crimes Mr. Nixon’s co-conspirators were charged with, we are up against much less of a man than Mr. Nixon. Which is not good. Mr. Nixon may never have admitted he was wrong, but he was smart enough and man enough to admit it when he’d lost.
That is precisely what Junior has avoided his whole life; he’s not likely to start admitting his limitations now. Nor is Mr. Cheney or Mr. Rove likely to encourage candor; not when Bush is so easily goaded into fighting straw men in order to protect them.
So, what’s the scuttlebutt on whether Junior is drinking again?
HotFlash @
230
Thanks for your response! I hope and pray that this all will see the light of day and there is accountability! There hasn’t been any for way too long!
How about setting up an effort similar to the FDL rubber-stamp event… for all of us to send a TELEGRAM to Bush to demand that he release the missing emails. It might remind the MSM of the flood of telegrams to Nixon, especially if we pointed that out, and get them to write about the missing (incriminating?) information the White House is trying to hide.
How about sending emails with just the dates in the subject line and nothing else–since the dates were blank in the docudump? Would only work if hundreds do it.
So here is a break down of political cases by state from the report. (I’m off by one somewhere but I do have to do my day job :-)
Sorry… The formatting keeps getting trashed. It looks good on preview but not on post. I’ll reformat tonight and post then.
Hugh @ 38
The first thing I thought of when I heard the states the USAs were from was:
AR = Hillary Clinton
CA = Pelosi – speaker
NV = Reid – majority leader
MI = Conyers & Dingell, chairs of pretty important committees (judiciary/energy-commerce)
But I couldn’t think of links for WA or NM, other than they’re kind of tossup red/blue states.
Here is the short list. If someone can tell me how to post a table here I can give the whole thing.
AR D=2, R=0
CA D=32, R=6
NV D=11, R=1
MI D=18, R=0
AZ D=0, R=2
NM D=1, R=0
Also, if someone has a geo of how CA divides up USA offices I can add that breakdown.
HotFlash @ 228
I agree with you, we have a lot to do and the jury is still out on who will prevail. My comment @223 was in response to NorskeFlamethrower’s over the top (IMHO) response to my original comment @176. When people invoke comparisons to Nazi’s, fascists, and coups (myself included) they may be sincere and even correct, but moderate elements of society will tune you out.
My original comment essentially said that if the Republicans pursuing a Permanent Majority are successful, our democracy will cease to exist. This is indeed a very serious fight, but I think we are best served by choosing our words a bit more carefully than NorskeFlamethrower would have me do. All of our predecessor democracies have failed, I sincerely hope ours does not follow in their footsteps.
A couple of comments at TPM mentioned that installing loyal “Bushies” as USA’s is a step to packing the courts, as many USA’s go on to federal court appointments. I don’t know if there is anything to this, but I did notice that 5 of the fired USA’s are in the 9th circuit court of appeals. The most liberal circuit, and the one most hated by conservatives.
Robert Reich noted this today at his blog:
Senator Pat Leahy, whom Dick Cheney suggested copulating with himself, and who now runs the Senate Judiciary…
Imagine that.
Reporters need to contact some of the US Attorneys who are investigating and prosecuting hugely disproporionate numbers of Democrats and ask them, on the record: did the DOJ ask you to do this? Are you doing this for partison reasons? Do you feel you job depends on investigating Democrats? Do you feel your career will suffer if you prosecute Republicans?
US Attorneys are not politicians, although they often want to be. Drill enough of them and facade will begin to crack.
Considering “the math,” the only REAL question is whether DOJ specifically instructed USA’s to target Democrats or if it was just a kind of upspoken, de facto thing that all the USA’s knew after six years in BushWorld.
By the way, thanks for finally giving this study some bloggy love and affection. It was first discussed by Paul Krugman in his March 9th NY Times column. And I’m pretty sure the first link to the actual study came via Drum, on the same day:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.c…..010882.php
Since then it’s rarely been mentioned (other than my constant bitching and whining about it to TPM, Salon, etc.)
Frankly, I’ve been shocked how little play the study has gotten, given the scandal tearing up the internets lately. As far as I’m concerned, it demonstrates what Kyle Sampson meant when he said: “80-85 percent” of US Attorneys are “loyal Bushies.”
Call me hysterical, but “the math” suggests that US Attorneys overwhelmingly view themselves the same way prosecutors in Vladamir Putin’s Russia: as a tool of the ruling party. It’s positively sickening.