While we are distracted by the excitement of Alberto Gonzales' imminent resignation, and the upcoming Constitutional Showdown™, we must never forget that AL GORE STILL LIVES! And he is determined to sacrifice all human wealth and industry upon his mad green altar of trees and electric cars! People, it is not too late – if we rise up now, we may yet be able to stop him before we are completely overrun by glaciers and polar bears and oxygen!
Okay, I admit it, I've been buying up land in Western Pennsylvania, and when it becomes beachfront property, I will be rich. The question is, will Al Gore be better able to thwart my nefarious plan from inside the White House, or out on the lecture circuit? Is it more important for him to be personally pushing for reform, or building popular demand for it? Are they necessarily exclusive?
Some tidbits from today's hearings:
- TPM Election Central has a clip of Gore's testimony today – apparently we need more cowbell and less denial.
- John Dingell called Gore "Mr. President."
- Kit Bond actually suggested that global warming might be caused by… sunspots. Even Denny Hastert knows better.
- James Inhofe is a massive, dishonest tool.
- Barbara Boxer does not suffer tools gladly (unless they possess Joe Lieberman's raw sexual magnetism):
Hitting a note that some of the vice president’s critics have sounded in recent weeks — the size and energy-consuming properties of his new home in Tennessee, Senator Inhofe sought to exact a pledge from Mr. Gore to cut electricity use so that his mansion outside Nashville used no more than the average American home within a year.
This set off a verbal jousting match with both Mr. Gore and Senator Barbara Boxer, the committee chairwoman.
The chairman turned to Mr. Inhofe and said, “I want to talk to you a minute.” She went on, “Will you agree to let the vice president answer your questions?” As the Oklahoma senator argued back, she made a tart reference to the change in power in the Senate, saying:, “You’re not making the rules. You used to when you did this” — here she waved her gavel — “but you don’t do this any more.”
She can wave her gavel at me any time.
Feel free to use this thread to speculate about what Karl Rove responses to the USA purge list might have fallen into the gap. I'm thinking it'd be stuff along the lines of, "This is great – Dusty and Brent will breathe much easier. Hey, how about this great weather we're having?"
UPDATE: C-SPAN has video of the climate hearings on their website (RealMedia format). Thanks to angie for indirectly prodding me to look.
UPDATE II: YouTube also has a video, in case the C-SPAN one goes away. (h/t RedShift)
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Al Gore!
I, for one, welcome our Mighty Moon Worm-riding overlord.
Random thought: If Karl is Bush’s brain, and if Karl is Turd Blossom, doesn’t that make Bush Shit-for-brains?
Jean2k @ 3
No, his shit for brains makes him Shit-For-Brains.
Al Gore in 2008 – Accept No Substitutes
My husband made a bumper sticker a while ago that reads, “When we said we wanted gore, we meant Al Gore!”
Love the Futurama video. Did I hear that his daughter writes for that?
She should have spanked him with that thing.
How do they manage to be each one more detestable than the last.
I’d vote for Al. Again.
I will NEVER vote for Hillary Lieberman.
inmymind’seye @ 7
They practice a *lot*.
From 2 threads back, I can’t take another ___gate. I have suggested OFUS for Operation Fuck the US. Comments?
Renee in Ohio @ 6
Al Gore is a very good sport. And very charismatic and funny when he’s just being himself.
Al Gore was magnificent today and I am sincerely hoping that this President will be our next leader.
Barbara Boxer smacked Inhofe up side the head (he was insufferable) and whiny, “woe is my folks” Kit Bond and the rest of the nucular and denying thugs were disgusting.
Thanks Eli.
If anyone has the occasion to watch Mr. Gore’s opening statement to the Senate, please do yourself the favor.
The tart reference by Ms. Boxer was: elections have consequences and I make the rules now.
Senator I’m a Hole needs his hole-tubes tied.
The spanking would only arouse him.
I have to throw up now.
M’self, I think Boxer should have hit him over the head with that gavel. But, then, she’d have to shove it up his ass first to do that….
Jean2k @
3
Doesn’t look like a “random” thought at all — more like an example of straightforward logic.
(And I wish I’d thought of that.)
i’m watching cable at work and cnn is picking al gore and global warming apart right now.
i am so glad i’m not paying for cable.
cable is evil.
this country is in the crapper.
i am so sad.
maybe i’ll take the hatchet to my car.
angie @
12
angie – do you have a link?
angie @ 12
Is there video online anywhere, or was it on CSPAN? I made a quick search, but didn’t see anything (hey, maybe I should check C-SPAN’s website, eh?).
Angie – from the last thread: yes! Goode has got to go. Too bad I don’t live where I could vote him out though!
So do I, when I remember to do so.
It is a point of pride with me that, in the past seven years, the number of times that I have knowingly and willingly referred to the current White House occupant as “President Bush” can be counted on the fingers of one hand.
inmymind’seye @
18
I just updated the post with one. C-SPAN, of course.
squirrel hiller @
17
That’s why I want to emigrate to New Zealand. Fuck this shithole.
One of the questions i keep asking is, “are the people of the US WORTH saving?”
I look at places like this and I wonder if there are enough people with enough brains worth saving, and increasingly, the answer is a resounding no.
If the nation and its people are not worth saving, what’s the point of all this? Let the folks linked above have the shithole. They deserve it.
you can catch all of Gore tonight on cspan1 @ 1110 or go to the archives under “recent programs” and watch it there.
http://www.c-span.org/
LoudounLib– I feel your pain!
Phoenix Woman @ 21
Yes! When I feel compelled to use the appelation in writing, I always write it as “pResident Bush.” He’s just temporarily squatting in the people’s house.
I looked–it’s Kristin Gore who has worked on Futurama.
Bad things about California:
Governator.
Earthquakes.
Cool things about California:
Coast Highway from Monterey to San Simeon.
Ocean and Sierra Nevadas within 1 day travel of each other.
Gilroy: Garlic capital of the world.
Watsonville: Artichoke capital of the world.
Hollywood Bowl.
No wingnut senators.
117
dmac says:
March 21st, 2007 at 6:11 pm
oregon dave thanks–
the ones i’m talkin’ about are-
but when i click on it, the new window happens so fast that the address is lost, immediately converts, when goes to acrobat text, is a wink of an eye then there it is……….is not like when linked to a site, which i can copy at leisure……the link disappears…any tips for that?
Mutant Poodle @
27
WRONG!
Boxer is in favor of the war, as is Feinstein.
They supported Lieberman. They are for the war. You can’t be one without the other.
Bad things about California – Guitar playing Bastard lives there. :-D
Gore: “…And if the crib’s on fire you don’t speculate that the baby is fire retardant…”
Gore will prevail!
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 23
Guitar—
I live here and I am trying to do some good, raising children, saving the lives of newborns, and working to make our government more responsive. Lead. Follow. Support. Teach. Learn. Everybody can do something to help, can you be part of this please?
I hope you will think about me when you want to wipe us all out. The people that I love ARE worth saving. We care about you and want you to live in a good country, so many of us are working for that. Join us? Don’t give up please. I have lifetime depression, I know about giving up. Please stay with us as we fight for a better government.
GSB – what is your occupation? There are some crying needs here in NZ for certain occupations.
Olberman showed the parts where Sen Boxer did the smackdown on Inhofe. Talk about priceless! The stupefied look on Inhofe’s face was one for the ages…
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 29
Did anyone hear that Arnold is going to run against boxer?
Jean2k @ 3
Obviously! Approximately 70% of the USA and somewhere around 95% of the rest of the world acknowledge it to be true.
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 23
sign me up for new zealand.
only thing is, i’ve heard it’s really difficult to find a country that will take americans.
and that freaky fence on the mexican boarder is really meant to keep us in.
we may have to stay and blog our brains out trying to have some impact.
dmac @ 28
Don’t click on it right away. Place your cursor on the link, and RIGHT click. You will get a menu. One of the options should say something like “copy link location.” After you choose that option, move to your email or wherever it is you want to place the link, place the cursor in the appropriate position, right click again, and one of the options will be “paste.” Choose that, and voila! You’ve got a link pasted in your target destination.
Ya know, Eli, if there’s too much oxygen the atmosphere will explode.
Of course, that might melt the glaciers…
Umm, now, about Rove’s upcoming testimony.
Under oath: “Umm, not to my recollection….”
Not under oath: “Fuck you.”
Under oath: “I have no recollection of that.”
Not under oath: “Fuck you, too.”
Under oath: “It’s not something I remember saying.”
Not under oath: “Ah, fuck you all. I’m outta here.”
Eli in da
houselake.Heh.
Great post.
Miss P. @ 30
Whenever I attended fire safety courses they always talked about using things like blankets and jackets to put out a fire. Never heard anyone mention using a baby.
Learn something everyday.
As much as we would like to see Gore as the next president for eight years, why in the world would he do it?
This is CNN’s stoopid line on President Gore’s expert testimony: “Skeptics frosty at warming warning”. They must write the headline before the actual event. I hate CNN.
Cujo359 @ 38
You’ve seen this, right?
Karl’s Chop Shop features piped in inspirational Muzak:
“oath? hey, can you see, by the Don’s early lie…”
Mutant Poodle @
27
heyyyyy
pch from monterey thru watsonville, santa cruz, davenport, almost all the way up to sf is also very lovely!
Eli @ 43
Didn’t Reagan say trees cause pollution?
Sally @ 42
*If* Al believes that:
A) It is the most effective way to stop global warming, and
B) That he can be elected (and I think there should be no question about that now),
He will run.
NZ Expat @ 32
NZ Expat – I’m thinking of making a trip to NZ in a few months. Do I recall correctly that you live near Lake Tekapo? We’re likely to pass through that area – the guidebooks make it look gorgeous.
Mrs. K8 @ 46
More than any other source, I believe.
i saw a clip of al on lehrer report tonight
he is emotionally eating
that shows a conflict of motivation……..he wants to run, he doesn’t want to run.
not being clear headed if he is doing this, which he is…emotional eating is stifling inner motivations….. he is doing this, obviously.
in a previous thread i said all this………
i hope his desire to be a public servant outweighs his desire to be an informational director………this is definitely causing a conflict in him.
he needs to start eating right and get a clear head…….they go together. i hope for the best, i hope he steps up…….motivation cures all ills…..i hope he sets his right within himself……….
NZ Expat @ 32
NZ Expat – Might you possibly have heard anything about demand for adult psychiatrists?
*xyz @ 48
NZ Expat — Where can one turn to find a list of occupations for which there’s a “crying need” in NZ? Thanks in advance for any suggestion!
egregious @ 31
Welp, I’m on other side of the whole child thing, I’m one of those evil childfree people.
With that said, I’ve tried to join you, and I’ve mostly been rejected as “too confrontational.”
My problem with most Dems is an almost compulsive aversion to confrontation. We’ll see whether the dems have the stomach (or the votes, Lieberman will almost certainly vote with the repukes on all this) to go to the mat.
They HAVE to go to the mat. This is where they HAVE to make their stand. This is the hill we take.
I’m telling you, the only way to defeat the other side is to adopt every single one of their tactics. THEY get away with it, and our side wrings its collective hands and refuses to take the low road.
I know I sound like a broken record, but this is a street fight. It is a fight for the soul of the nation, a fight for our way of life. At the risk of invoking Godwin’s law, fighting the republicans…ALL the republicans, is analagous to fighting the Nazis. Look at their tactics. It’s only a matter of time before they start talking about a “final solution.”
The sooner people start standing up and fighting…as if their lives depended on it, the better. As long as we say “I won’t stoop to their level,” we lose.
Again, we can raise the level of discourse, ONCE WE’RE IN POWER. Until then, we need to fight as dirty as we possibly can.
That’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it.
punaise @ 44
“… what so proudly we flailed,
in the dark night’s fast scheming….”
Hey now, we can’t lose all our FDL’ers to NZ!
dmac –
Did you catch my explanation at #37? Just want to know if I was clear enough.
Mrs. K8 @
46
And cows…
*xyz @ 48
Regrettably, I’m a dork web geek. No shortage and I don’t have a college degree. Do they need roots guitarists?
Cujo359 @ 41
I do not get your point. Er, wer’re talking about saving a life, not throwing bodies into the fire…
dakine01 @ 57
Trees must have a much more complicated life cycle than I had previously imagined…
Eli @ 47, maybe he picked up my long-distance plea, too, and he’ll sure as heck go for the presidency again. What a lovely thought!
GSB – Truth in advertising. I’m on my way back to the US, at least for a year or so (family circumstances). But also because the US of the past was a place that provided haven for my father as a refugee. I too have questions if I want to live among people who are content with this sort of government, but I have a tremendous love for the rivers and the rocks, the far horizons and the near meadowlarks of my past. I’m made of its soil and air.
So the question for me, for the next year while I am there, is what way can I shove and push against this evil? I don’t want to be unrealistic about what I can do, but I’m no good German.
Loudonlib
was just complaining to Loudonlib about the dearth of prosecutions/convictions under Alice Fisher’s tenure -
one of the investigations that appears to have just stopped is
total $90k in 03 & 05 contributions to Goode from Wade/MZM (some of them illegal) and suddenly a Goode staffer is informing Wade there is $9m in appropriations for a MZM facility in the good congressman’s district
Sally @ 61
I really hope so. I can’t think of anyone I’d rather have as president right now.
Eli @ 60
Ronnie forgot that the “pollution” caused by trees was actually oxygen…
Cujo359 @ 41
Clothing has much less water content per gram.
Eli @ 47
I think there’s more than that. While he’s most focused on global warming (since it’s our biggest problem), he’s a public servant who’s dedicated to the welfare of “we the people.” So I think it would be better stated that if he can do more good overall by being elected without being less effective on global warming, he may go for it.
I certainly hope so.
dakine01 @ 65
Oh, I thought trees caused cows. Hence my confusion.
I think to Republicans, maybe oxygen *is* pollution…
Al, sorry, love you man, but you are a hypocrite. You just can’t live in a 10,000 square foot house and fly around in private jets then get up on a soapbox and preach to me about sustainability. Nope, sorry, I like you Mr. Gore but that is just pure hypocrisy. And please don’t bother with the “carbon offsets” crap either. In my book the wealthy are still unable to purchase indulgences for either carbon or heaven.
Take a look at the picture they use for this Time article: Time: A Coming Battle Over Bush’s Executive Privilege
I was quite amused. Symbolic, don’t you think?
Ronnie forgot that the “pollution” caused by trees was actually oxygen…
dakine01 –
Too much of that stuff’ll make ya dizzy, doncha know.
;-)
dakine01 @ 65
That’s a poison, right?
And cows do come from trees. Those brown spiny things on the pines called
conesnaughty word that fall off and dry out and crushh into brown dust.That’s where the smashed brown dusty piles in the pastures come from. We only see the cows aound these piles, so that’s where cows came from.
Back to Liberty U!
I go back and forth on the question of whether Al Gore can accomplish more via his Truth tour or the presidency, but ultimatley I keep coming back to this: the presidency.
In that role, he can hurry the USA’s entry into responsible behavior on the world stage.
It’d be nice to be leading the way as environmentalists and planet savers rather than as warmongers. You know, just for a change of pace.
Mrs. K8 @ 71
Someone even said it might make the atmosphere explode.
“Joe Lieberman’s raw sexual magnetism”
Now, that’s a sentence you don’t hear every day.
News Grinder @ 73
Maybe we should be grateful that Bush isn’t a big believer in global warming, or he’d be invading everyone who refused to sign onto Kyoto…
GSB – I’m in Taupo, on the edge of Lake Taupo. Someone told me a few months ago that we needed two psychologists or psychiatrists here in Taupo. I know quite a few docs that come over for a set time and then have to leave, but by then, they go back and know how to fit into the system to come back with residency. I ran into an American social worker who is on her third year. She wanted to go back, kind of, because she missed bookstores and affordable books (terriby expensive here – I use the library), but now her husband (who I could see flyfishing as we talked) refuses to return.
Engineers are also needed. They shut down the hydrogeology program at the university here, so my husband has hired from Switzerland, Tasmania, Argentina, etc. In his division, the Kiwis are in a minority.
cleter @ 75
It’s the only explanation I can offer for his popularity within the Democratic caucus.
It’s a minority opinion, certainly.
Someone even said it might make the atmosphere explode.
And here I thought they liked “shock and awe.”
Mrs. K8 @ 79
If oxygen could be used to make the atmosphere explode in specific locations, they would be researching the hell out of it.
Eli @ 22
It’s also up on YouTube, if you want to include a (potentially) more permanent link.
Thank you to Paul Waldman from Media Matters on Scarborough a few minutes ago, for shooting down Terry Holt’s umpteenth repetition of the utterly tired, worn-out RNC-spawned/Rethug talking point about Al Gore’s claiming “invention” of the internet. Of course, Holt has no real rebuttal except to say “oh, now the left is blaming the media?! That’s rich!” and tries to interrupt until Scarborough goes to commercial.
I’m turning off the teevee. Thank Gore for blogs.
Want to know how much trouble we are in as a nation??
That energy hog that Al Gore built for himself is a NEW house. In other words, while Gore was jetting around the world warning us about climate change, he was building a perfect example of everything wrong with energy consumption in USA.
We are SO f**ked!!
Fiyero @ 82
Yes indeed. Saw that. Loved it.
Fiyero @ 82
amazing how those fools just snicker and laugh…
Fiyero @ 82
According to my video clip, he also invented the environment.
Mrs. K8 @ 79
No, now they’ve gotten confused, They’re always trying to quote Ronnie and he only said “Aww, shucks…”
sorry, the following is just mean, but i’m still pisssed off at cnn for dissin al.
“Joe Lieberman’s raw sexual magnetism???”
maybe its hidden in those deep folds of skin he calls a face.
I see the Inhofe staffers have discovered FDL.
NZ Expat –
How about engineering support staff? Mr. K8 doesn’t have a degree, but he does have a significant amount of expertise in a narrow field of engineering research — He’s currently running a test lab at his company.
And I met him way back when while in a support job — engineering documentation.
Guitar—
[I’m starting afresh here because of relentless mod notes…sheesh…give us a break]
I hear your anguish and share it to a remarkable degree. It’s so frustrating to see our country go down the tubes and wonder why people can just continue to live their normal everyday lives. Don’t they see? Well, no, not yet.
There are a lot of us who do stand up to evil, whether that’s here or in other countries.
I like to think I’ve helped a little by working not only for a better political situation here but for a number of years in the former Soviet Union. You wanna talk about darkness.
My most recent trip to Russia was the anniversary of the end of the Nazi blockade of Leningrad where a half a million people starved to death. Every single family was affected. They still talk about it.
So yes I do know a little bit about darkness, both Nazi and Communist. I am standing up to this evil the best way I know how, which is quietly to do good, set a good example, and hope that others will see and follow. Apparently we did something breakthru in 1999-2000 by building an ICU for newborns, which was covered in all the papers and all tv stations in a city the size of Chicago. People came from all over the city just to see our ICU, a sign of hope in a very dark country.
Please don’t think that just because I have children that I think others who do not are somehow evil. Everyone is free to make their own decision, and frankly my life would be a lot more civilized if I lived alone.
As to being confrontational, there is a time and a place. I have experienced some of those confrontations: physically, emotionally, and spiritually. The world needs people who will stand up to evil.
You sound like one of us. Tell me more about how you would like to be involved.
yeah, more trolls than usual this time of day. must be hungry.
dakine01 @ 87
LOL!!! That’s a good one — I think punaise would approve.
Eli @ 89
yep, flying high with their faxes and rhet-or-ic.
guitar playin bastard
One of the questions i keep asking is, “are the people of the US WORTH saving?”
I look at places like this and I wonder if there are enough people with enough brains worth saving, and increasingly, the answer is a resounding no.
If the nation and its people are not worth saving, what’s the point of all this? Let the folks linked above have the shithole. They deserve it.
oh my, where i live in se ohio there are a whole lotta people worth it……even those that vote republican…….we are a community, and all play a part, no matter where you go, you will be a part of a community for better or worse, so pick your locale according to that….
Let’s hope Al Gore is no longer enamoured of Joe Lieberman’s raw sexual magnetism. That was his biggest mistake in 2000–assuming that America, too, was transfixed by Lieberman’s heady musk.
cleter @ 96
I don’t think it was decisive in the election, but I fear that if he *had* gotten elected, Lieberman or the Republicans would have found a way to poison him or engineer an AF1 crash, and we’d probably be exactly where we are now.
Eli @ 89
Yeah, I noticed that. Did you know that John Edwards is a hypocrite, too, for advocating for the poor when he has money?
randiego @ 92
Yes. And they must find the message of this thread threatening.
That in itself is very, very useful information.
Sillies, Lack of pirates causes global warming. The FSM tells us so.
Redshift @ 98
Wo that’s pretty harsh. He was not born into money, he earned his wealth by working, and he is well acquainted with people in his area who are either very poor now or one paycheck away from poverty.
cleter @ 96
By now, we’re all more than a little tired of his musky head….
egregious @ 101
I think maybe your browser does not support the sarcasm tag?
Didn’t Ronnie say “If you’ve seen one troll . . .”
(waving at egregious!)
As a descendent of a somewhat migratory tribe (Mennonites!), I’ve grown up with a notion that the nation was never the final answer, that one needed to have more loyalty to one’s values and, if not possible to practice those in a certain location, one moved on. I get a lot of flack from relatives for paying this much attention to politics. Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, comfort the suffering.
Yet, I can’t see standing by and letting the have-mores walk off with the whole country.
On the other hand, the older I get, the more I think I am one of those that is the constant drip of water against the stone. Someday, someone, will be the drop that breaks through. And each drop before made a difference.
(I still don’t know how I’m going to behave around malls and smugness and “it’s not my problem” and “aren’t they all crooked anyway” sort of crap.)
cbl @ 105
“There they go again…”
Educated Plaintiff @ 45
that’s a nice stretch, but Carmel to San Simeon is the coastest with the mostest.
Eli @ 97
It was decisive. I personally know many people in Florida–Florida!– who voted for Nader because Lieberman’s dreadful performance against Cheney convinced them that there was no real difference between the candidates. Had Gore picked Bob Graham as his running mate, he would be President now. It was decisive.
Eli @ 106
“Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this troll.”
cleter @ 109
I think the Republicans and media would have had a field day with Graham’s notebooks. Unfair, but true.
707, punaise!
can someone knowledgeable about federal law address this please? my humble apologies if the has already been addressed elsewhere & i missed it.
i heard more then once today, that you can’t compare the demand to have bush admin personnel testify before congress, with when members of the clinton admin had to testify, b/c those hearings were the result of an investigation into a crime. (turned out the clinton’s involvement in whitewater wasn’t criminal – but thats for another thread).
since there haven’t been any charges of criminal activity filed, can we still look back to those congressional hearings to shed any light on what is happening today?
is this just a lame spin, or manipulation of the facts, or do these ppl have a point?
thanks in advance ~
Eli @ 89
A toast, er roast for them:
I pledge allegiance to the currency of the United States of America, and to the republicans for which they scam, one nation under surveillance, divided, with liberty and justice for oil.
Inconvenient truthteller meets intolerant asshat.
-GSD
mrs k8
i’m on an older mac, it happens quickly, link shows in browser window then woops gone……..text links, what i call pdf links……….those that lead to documents…….no time for options, is all automatic thing……….computer just does it, no time to capture the link………no right or left link click…just have one….just happens in front of me………therefore can’[t catch it………..only happens with direct document links…..therefore, can’t pass them on………
Eli @ 110
But Floridians don’t give a rat’s ass about that. All you needed was 500 more Floridians. Trust me. Lieberman was a disastrous mistake.
cleter @ 117
I’m sure Floridians wouldn’t have cared, but other states would have.
There probably was a better choice, but I don’t think it was Graham.
The decision to “stay or go” is always very personal, and each choice has its place and usefulness.
During the height of the apartheid regime in South Africa, there were those whose conscious choice was to stay to attempt to subvert the state from within. Others decided to leave, to look for support from beyond the nation’s boundaries, and to lobby other nations to put pressure on the apartheid regime.
Both choices were valid. Each approach was helpful for the ultimate dismantling of the apartheid system.
dmac, if you are working with a single button mouse, hold down the ctrl key and then click – that will bring up the menu you want.
Educated Plaintiff @ 113
Lame spin. Congress can hold hearings on anything it chooses, and if that requires testimony from Executive branch officials, so be it. These guys have forgotten that Dan Burton was the poster boy for subpoenas to Clinton’s administration during the `90s. They were even trying to investigate the politicization of the Clintons’ Christmas card list.
But, Dems can’t investigate the politicization of the entire Dept. of Justice? Nope, no sale. :)
Eli @ 117
Virtually anyone would have been a better choice.
egregious @
91
I can phone bank at election time. I have a band, (a damn good one, if i sez so mahseff) that’s happy to play any fundraiser for a non-incumbent Democratic Senate candidate in the State of California.
The next time Boxer is in the Bay Area, I intend to give her a ration of shit about being pro-war. And god help her if Lieberfuck goes republican.
[RBG Note; Edited to remove insults to other commenters. Let’s not do that again.]
punaise @ 107
ya – i know – i used to live on it, (carmel highlands & sc) but i just had to speak up for the rest of it ;)
cleter @ 122
The question is whether or not the veep candidate really makes that much of a difference. In an election that close, maybe.
dmac –
Ach, so ist das! I don’t know anything about macs. Your mouse only has one single button? Now I’ve really learned something — I had never heard of such a thing as a mouse with only one button.
What happens if you hover your cursor over a link? Will a little message appear giving the url of the link?
Others who know how older macs operate will have to jump in here and help you out. I’m sorry I can’t be more helpful.
Edit: Ooops. Just caught OldCoastie’s instruction at #119.
I just KNEW somebody here would be able to help! This is a great place.
nz expat
As a descendent of a somewhat migratory tribe (Mennonites!), I’ve grown up with a notion that the nation was never the final answer, that one needed to have more loyalty to one’s values and, if not possible to practice those in a certain location, one moved on. I get a lot of flack from relatives for paying this much attention to politics. Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, comfort the suffering.
Yet, I can’t see standing by and letting the have-mores walk off with the whole country.
On the other hand, the older I get, the more I think I am one of those that is the constant drip of water against the stone. Someday, someone, will be the drop that breaks through. And each drop before made a difference.
(I still don’t know how I’m going to behave around malls and smugness and “it’s not my problem” and “aren’t they all crooked anyway” sort of crap.)
if it makes you feel any better, i come from pennsylvania dutch stock…..don’t know what they would think of all of this…..would like to think that they would shudder at all of the dishonesty…….
cleter @
75
And I hope nobody ever says it again. Please, there are children listening, and lunches being digested.
Also, please add “James Inhofe’s enlightened brilliance and benevolent statesmanship” to the list of forbidden utterances. I made this last one up, just in case.
dmac – did you see my 119? that one’s for you…
Inhofe actually said today that he would like to compare boosh’s house with President Gore’s house.
Um, disingenious much?
How many planes, Escalades, and homes (with switchgrass, turdblossoms and power tools) are we talking about?
Has this WH done anything toward saving this planet and her peoples? I mean, other than donning safety glasses and grinning like a fool while annihilating the cradle of civilization?
Eli @ 124
Given that all the world pretty much knew that Dan Quayle was an idiot in ‘88, I’m not sure any VP means that much . At least since Kennedy/Johnson. Of course, with Quayle as VP, Bush I was pretty much assured of being assasination proof.
angie @
127
I’m pretty sure that brush is one of the planet’s primary sources of CO2.
I have comcast cable. Their news show is running a segment on impeaching the president right now!
*xyz @
55
On the internet no one knows your in NZ.
For anyone who missed it the first time…
When I went to see the video of Al Gore’s global warming testimony on You Tube, I noticed the video entitled “A terrifying message from Al Gore”, which featured a cartoon Al Gore and Bender the robot from Futurama doing an ad for An Inconvenient Truth. And I remembered I’d transcribed that, complete with screen caps, a while back–for anyone who might not be able to view the video for whatever reason.
dakine01 –
It wouldn’t surprise me if veep candidates get much more scrutiny in the future — given that the world can see what happens when your veep is the Dark Lord who pulls all the strings.
Such vice presidential power is unprecedented. More scrutiny is warranted in the future.
Eli @ 124
When it’s close, yes. Didn’t really matter who Hoover’s running mate was in 1932. But Lieberman was the nail in the coffin for Gore. He was the enabling lynchpin for many, many Nader voters, particularly in Florida. He was the tipping point that convinced many Nader voters that it didn’t really matter whether Bush won or not. Lieberman blurred the line.
Plus, being a running mate made Lieberman a much bigger player.
techno @
83
If Al Gore runs, he will be Swiftboated but not for his military service. It will be for his electricity bill. He has less than a year to get rid of that house and buy himself a two-bedroom ranch with solar panels.
Whatever the (perhaps legitimate) explanations for his $2,000-plus a month bill, it makes him totally vulnerable. Alibis about offsetting his carbon footprints won’t cut it.
Too bad. He deserves to be president.
Well, we still have Barack.
cleter @ 134
I suspect that the calculation was that Lieberman would help pull in the Jewish retiree vote. I have no idea whether that calculation worked (i.e., whether a different veep candidate would have lost more Jewish retiree votes in Fla. than they picked up).
If it came from the Shrum/Brazile braintrust, it was almost certainly wrong.
OT– You can now watch the Ms. Tanker Rice being softballed by Jerry Lewis now on cspan2.
Life’s good in Iraq!
Uh oh, Jerry hates the fact that we might want to support the starving Palestinians.
Well, at least we’re not gloomily watching Vice President Lieberman lock up all the endorsements and early money, while gleeful Republicans look forward to capitalizing on “Gore Fatigue” in 2008.
Eli- I asked FDLers before about Lieb- opinion was that bec. he scolded Clinton, it would be an innoculation against the bad blue dress moment.
Al Gore v1.0 made a huge mistake picking JoeLie, and he essentially acknowledged this by supporting Ned Lamont. (partial satire warning)
Al Gore v2.0 would never make a similar mistake.
NZ Expat @
32
Would Internet Data Security be one of those jobs?
Balrog – Raising his hand to go back to New Zealand.
Valley Girl @ 139
Which was a symptom of a much *larger* strategic error: Running against Clinton as much as against Bush.
Balrog @ 141
I heard you ran into a spot of wizard trouble the last time you were there.
I love Bob Graham. He voted “No” on the Iraq war. He’d have been a great choice for VP in ‘00.
I feel like Scarlett. “Oh Ashley, don’t look back.”
Eli @ 137
Eli @ 138
On the latter, most definitely. But, I think the Dems typically have the Jewish retiree vote, generally. My guess is that–because Lieberman was the guy who stood up in the Senate and asked for Clinton’s impeachment and was a big supporter of Tipper’s crusade against music obscenity–he was perceived as being good for a campaign which was trying to distance itself from Clinton’s indiscretions. And, both Lieberman and Gore had been members of the DLC, and Lieberman was there partly to bring in the big business contributions. Something like that….
DakkonA @
70
The microphones look like binoculars. Is it a case of aid for the myopic?
I appreciate the caption: “President George W. Bush speaks behind the seal of his office.” I’m tempted to Photoshop a seal in front, maybe with a ball on its nose.
cleter @ 145
Wow, politics by stereotype and identity politics doesn’t work? Who knew?
Eli @ 144
Yes, that is what I recall also. Didn’t have anything to do with the FJR vote.
Let’s repeal the 22 amendment. Then Chimpy can run against Bill…
egregious @ 101
I agree; I was mocking an earlier round of trolls who were making that ludicrous argument about Edwards. Their sincerity was about as convincing as the current round of anti-Gore trolls.
Condi: lots of people are coming to terms with their history.
Schiff is making *big* waves.
Why do we care about the genocide with Kurds and not about Armenians or anyone else?
cspan2 now.
NZ Expat: what kind of engineers are needed? My last kid just graduated with electrical/computer eng deg & has done 2 summers interning in Germany. The kid loves to travel.
montag @ 148
Exactly fits with prev. FDLers take. Tho I didn’t know about the DLC stuff. But, the DLC was of Southern origin, no?
Valley Girl @ 149
Fair enough. I could have sworn I remembered conversations about that at the time, but I could be wrong.
Educated Plaintiff @
45
Monterey Aquarium
Jean2k @ 148
LOL!!! I’d love to see an animated cartoon like that. I can just imagine the seal clapping its flippers and making that wonderful seal barking sound.
Aaarf-aarf-aarf!
watching the PBS Newshour… some clown from Pepperdine is defending the admin vigorously re: executive priviledge… what’s going on at that school? didn’t they hire the noxious Ken Starr too?
Eli @
138
Donna Brazile has been one of the folks pushing to move primaries up to lessen the influence of Iowa and New Hampshire. I think it was the Union-Leader last week that quoted her as saying that the move had backfired because so many states were moving up their primaries, it was making Iowa and NH that much more important.
OldCoastie @ 158
Red Pepperdine?
Valley Girl @ 156
I suppose that’s the perception because Clinton began it. But, Lieberman was a founding member, as I recall. It’s very much less regional than it is catering to big business (which is something that Lieberman has done all along).
Cheers.
Mrs. K8 @ 46
They do…if you burn them or put them through milling operations.
old coastie at 119
thanks, will try it out
and all else who tried to help—thanks from my heart was really holdin me up passing on info to people
cbl @ 63
was just complaining to Loudonlib about the dearth of prosecutions/convictions under Alice Fisher’s tenure -
one of the investigations that appears to have just stopped is
total $90k in 03 & 05 contributions to Goode from Wade/MZM (some of them illegal) and suddenly a Goode staffer is informing Wade there is $9m in appropriations for a MZM facility in the good congressman’s district
Is there a limit on time to prosecute this or can it wait until a D president and then be prosecuted?
montag @ 161
The Southern regional thing is probably just because that’s where most of the conservative Democrats are…
With Gore, it is so refreshing to listen to a visionary. The man has been doing some thinking. What a refreshment.
I still really want a windmill in my neighborhood. I have ever since I visited some up north. I know just where to put it. I wonder if I could get a grant.
Miss P. @ 166
Heh. Al Gore, one of the few people tilting *for* windmills…
Eli @ 145
It was a flesh wound.
well I tuned in hoping the gentleman from Oklahoma would take us all back to those glorious days that saw his high watermark of wingnuttery
Balrog @ 168
Do Balrogs even *have* flesh?
Eli @ 169
Is that not good?
Miss P. @ 171
Sure! I was just tickled by the irony.
montag @ 163
montag- you usually trump me on knowledge, but IRRC the DLC came about before this.
see wiki
“The DLC was founded in 1985 by Al From and other Democrats…”
Eli @ 60
This is something that Reagan learned on “Death Valley Days”…
Death Valley good…deserts do not make pollution
Yosemite bad…trees bad.
cbl @ 171
More like low tide after a fish kill….
Redshift –
I caught your point.
If trolls find it hypocritical for those with money to want to help the poor (an accusation that flew like crazy during FDR’s administration, too — “a traitor to his class”), and if they find it hypocritical for a person who has a combination home/work office/room for hosting meetings to use energy while wanting to promote conservation –
then don’t they find it hypocritical for Georgie Bush to talk about “hard work”?
Eli @ 172
Enough with the gotcha politics, Mister.
Colleen, don’t know though one of the resident legal eagles could tell us – and I now have a list of Fisher related questions I plan on asking in the am
Welcome to De Lurkville :)
dreamcatcher @ 136
Sigh.
After all the shit BushCo threw at Gore, the audience for the GOP’s “gotcha” has peaked. Another attack? Yawn.
The Goopers will do everything to convince Dems the former Vice President is hopeless – better he step aside for the two-year Senator.
cinnamonape @ 174
Don’t make me recite the “The Gun is good, the Penis is evil” mantra from Zardoz…
Valley Girl @ 175
Never mind…. I see that Clinton was one of the founding members.
Mrs. K8 @ 176
They don’t find it hypocritical in the slightest. They just want everyone else to.
dreamcatcher @ 137
I have to say, this reminds me of the talk in ‘04 among my Deaniac friends that if Dean had been nominated, the Goopers wouldn’t have been able to pull that “flip-flopper” bit. Much as I love Dean, I know that Rove had an attack plan for him, too.
Trying to find a candidate who can’t be swiftboated just gets you milquetoast candidates who don’t have strong positions. The “Gore’s energy bills” crap hasn’t gotten traction with anyone but wingnuts. Trust me, they’ve got crap on Obama, too. It may something that’s false and doesn’t make any sense, but isn’t that true of the Gore smear, too?
If you think someone deserves to be president, and you give up on them because of what you think the wingnuts will do to them, then you’re surrendering before they fire a shot. Have some faith that if he’s inspiring, that’ll build up enough support to cancel out what will be lost among the “low information voters” who can’t recognize an obvious smear.
inhofe awwready !
Redshift @ 183
For Obama, they would just refer to him by his full name Every. Single. Time.
Eli @ 181
please….indulge us
Valley Girl @ 175
Further down in the same article:
Sorry, wasn’t rubbing it in… dial-up’s sloooow. :)
Comments from and about Al
“The ozone layer is burning off, that’s why the Artic Ice caps are melting and could be gone in 34 years”.
“The earth is shaking… so many earthquakes”!
“The fires in California being caused by global warming”! The fires in California are caused by the leftist environmental wackos not allowing cutting and clearing!!
“We could lose Greenland”!
“These studies just came out 3 days ago.” We’re doomed!!!!
Al Gore says he doesn’t recognize the quote from his own book!!! Al is backing away from the 10 year statements is all we have–except that he now says he made it starting last year based on scientists(Jim Hassen) he trusts. Hassan comparing our government to Nazi Germany
“The planet has a fever”! IS THERE A DOCTOR IN THE HOUSE?? How do you stick a thermometer up the planet’s butt? Al’s new theme song…. Fever…Peggy Lee
Now he’s saying Reagan was against nuclear arms . Reagan was greatly concerned about nuclear war. His solution was for the good guys (us) to win the Cold War and for the bad guys (the Soviets) to lose.
No Nuclear Power plants or Coal Fired plants in this country but Ok for China, China is building a Coal fired plant every 4 days…………his solution for us : windmills on your house.
All my life people have joked that eventually they would tax the air we breathe. He just advocated it.
Does he not know that plants USE CO2 to make oxygen?
Global Warming is big business. Follow the money.
He wants to legislate his carbon offset sham? He’s an idiot in search of a village.
Liberals believe that anthropogenic global warming is real and Islamist extremism is a hoax.
In an unrelated story, FNC is reporting that deep snow (five and a half feet, four feet above normal) in Anchorage, Alaska it’s driving the moose onto the city streets.
Cow farts and swamp gas overwhelm the man made parts of emissions. Even the UN acknowledges this. So the science is settled. Ban cows, plug volcanoes and burn down and fill the swamps.
Gore’s new grandson is named Oscar. HOLLYWOOD | Al Gore now has a movie with an Oscar and a grandson named Oscar.
We’re going to drown in the rising seas!!!!! Considering where I am, maybe I could end up with beach front property.
What has happened is that there were 20 million Mexicans and others from South America who all came from the south suddenly. When they did this the Earth tilted and became hotter. So, if they all would go home the problem would be fixed!
montag- see my “oops” comment above… as ever, I bow to you.
OT but can’t we just call trolls for what they are? Low-level Operatives? LLO?
Hoooo Boy.
I repeat — it certainly is instructive to see first-hand just how threatening Al Gore is to some folks.
Very, very useful information.
Mrs. K8 @ 178
Yes, apparently in order to help the poor you must actually be poor. Otherwise, it’s just not natural.
(waving to Mrs. K8) first time in the threads today – did I miss anything?
somebody should make a post titled “krypton”
where superman’s father warns the government the planet is about to blow up and the government tells everyone the research is flawed and nothing is going to happen
same thing here me thinks
David Scherrey — ’splain that to your offspring and get back to me.
David Scherrey @ 189
Scherrey might have been too batshit insane and incoherent to be an actual troll.
That’s a tough call, tho.
Eli @ 161
Pepperdine U – in the heart of Malibu – a very surprising place for a neocon think tank.
Valley Girl @ 190
Yup, saw that… but my post came in late–wouldn’t have pulled that up if I’d known you’d already found it.
Dial-up’s a bit like the conversation time delay in “2001: A Space Odyssey.” :)
Eli @ 182
LOL, Eli
Miss P. @
192
Low pay low level operatives – LPLLO?
Hey Suzanne!
{{{{waving back}}}}
Mr. K8 thanks you too for the daffodils. I saved your blog page so we can look at it whenever we like, whenever we need the healing energy of daffodil beauty.
I got here late today, too. So I can’t fill you in on all the juicy details, but I’m sure others can.
BTW — how is the house sale going?
Mrs.K8,
It is instructive.
I got firsthand knowledge a while back when I asked someone why they constantly cheered the war in Iraq, but wouldn’t enlist.
The man said, “Why don’t you go join the Peace Corps? Same difference!”
Wow.
montag- after years of resistance, I finally went the DSL route. Thus, I understand.
The Gun is good…
UPDATE: C-SPAN has video of the climate hearings on their website (RealMedia format). Thanks to angie for indirectly prodding me to look.
the devil bears prodding
Miss P. @ 192
LoLO? Lowlife?
dakine01 @ 202
If they could get their facts straight we could bump em up to minimum wage?
The Pepperdine neocon was Doug Kmiec. Couldn’t believe him, wondered how much of the propaganda budget he received.
Margot @ 203
We need a large-scale cult deprogramming method, I think. Seriously, it’s scary. Impervious to the thought process.
Prairie Sunshine @ 206
How about Tactless Republican Operative Low-Lifes?
Oh, wait…
Using the refresh key can be so tiresome.
Mods, I so wish delusional racist trolls like David Scherrey never showed here.
And I’m so grateful you delete them back to their parents’ guest rooms.
[Mr. Scherrey:
Please don’t skimp on the antipsychotics. If you have been adherent, please ask for a dose increase. Good luck. Delusions are miserable.
Just look at the Rethugs.
David Scherrey, if you’re blogging from your favorite inpatient psych ward, just look in the polished metal that passes for mirrors.
And the FOX voices telling you to hate your Constitution and most Americans?
You can still change the channel. Ask at the nurses’ station.]
Valley Girl @ 205
Wish I had that choice (there’s cable here, but very expensive and the network security stinks, I’m told). Qwest happily gave up on their promise to install DSL throughout the state, and I’m six or seven miles from the nearest exchange. :(
Mrs. K8 – lots of lookers but no offer yet.
Eli wins!
Prairie Sunshine @ 208
Stoopit low level operative wingers
SLLOW
Eli @
207
geebus! that’s scaring my dog!
the dean of Pepperdine U. is none other than the illustrious panty-sniffer Ken Starr
Ho hum.
Gore used to infuriate me when he was VP, along with his boss even though I voted for them twice.
Search ‘al gore nafta’ and try to remember. He had his chance and blew it in grand fashion. Here’s a nice article talking about this by Jeff Cohen:
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0719-32.htm
Jim Hightower in 2000: “From the first days of the Clinton-Gore administration, Mr. Environment began sniffing the money and backing off, refusing to throw any hard punches at the polluters. Gore’s own performance as vice president has been so feeble that people who had suffered from his inaction took to attending his campaign events, shouting out to him: “Read your book!”
Myself and basically everyone I knew just couldn’t believe it when he picked J. Low for his VP! MANY people were saying this stuff about Lieberman even back then. Just bad decision after bad decision to go along with a condescending tone and rigidness to his speeches. I honestly just don’t understand why people are so quick to look past all these things and get so excited by him now.
He’s doing a great job now of getting environmental issues in the public discourse more. Why disrupt this for the chance that his behavior will be like it was when he was VP, and he’ll talk a good game but have very little or no action to back it up?
I’m not an anti-Gore troll. I’m sort of a sporadic old-timer here. But…Al Gore did pick Joe Lieberman to be his running mate. How many FDL threads have been devoted to what an awful, awful person Lieberman is? And Al picked him, of all people, to be his running mate.
That’s all I’m sayin’.
punaise @ 217
Peeperdine.
Prairie Sunshine @ 216
Yes, I like Eli’s better ;-)
DakkonA @
70
I’d read the article before, but went back to look at the picture again, just to see what it was like.
Weird thing was … y’know, I have this problem where sometimes when I skim something quickly, my brain reads a word and then substitutes another, closely spelt word.
The caption on the picture says, “President George W. Bush speaks behind the seal of his office.”
My brain said that the caption was, “President George W. Bush *sneaks* behind the seal of his office” …
cleter @ 219
It was a monumentally stupid thing to do, and I would never dispute that. But it’s also something he would never ever do today.
David Scherrey @
190
Get this assf*ck outta here. The moose are on the streets of Anchorage EVERY winter, three live in my marsh. They cross the street all the time. EVERY winter. They have the IQ of a 2X4, unlike some trolls with the IQ of a 2X2…
In spite of our coldest winter since 1956, Alaskans see the evidence of global warming and climate change EVERY year.
carmen @
211
hope he was paid a lot to sound like an idiot… kinda wrecks yer gravitas and all…
Or, Twitchy Republican Operative Low Lifes….
Joe Who?
Prairie Sunshine @ 226
Twisted! *That’s* the word I was looking for!
Pepperdine wiki
“Pepperdine University is a private institution of higher learning affiliated with the Church_of_Christ…”
punaise @
208
yep and thanks, punaise and Eli.
btw, y’all that have Betty McCollum representing you should be very proud, imho. Minnesota is leading our country.
(except for Norm Coleman)
just saw this terrible news at americablog
http://americablog.blogspot.co…..lding.html
god i hope she’s ok
cleter @ 222
You’re right about Florida, too. He was supposed to bring some Florida voters into the Gore camp, but the segment he was supposed to increase, actually showed a bit of erosion toward the GOP.
Valley Girl @ 231
you wouldn’t think all those Church of Christ people would be all that enthused about being surrounded by the Hollywood types…
Prairie Sunshine @ 216
Ditto!
Holy cow. Schumer repeated tonight on Countdown that there are DOJ folks who will be spilling lots of info, so it would behoove the admin to stop playing cover-up.
Here it starts, in a dKos diary about a tobacco deal:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..232921/770
In this diary there’s info about a DOJ lawyer named Sharon Eubanks who was told to get witnesses to change their testimony to go easy on tobacco execs. And much, much more.
Yikes.
I have a feeling there’s gonna be a veritable flood of these kinds of shady shenanigans being exposed. They’ve pissed off an awful lot of DOJ people who, unaccountably, have a quaint loyalty to the notion of justice and defending the Constitution.
It’ll be just stunning.
ongaku @
113
Brilliant!
Eli @ 225
And we know this how?
That’s my problem. The colossal awfulness of Lieberman gives me some niggling little doubts in the back of my mind about Gore.
LoudounLib @ 217
Oh wait. Another entry…ROTFLMAO!!
I also saw the news about John and Elizabeth Edwards. This news conference cannot be good news. Keep them in your thoughts and prayers.
Miss P. @ 233
Hey, I suggested a Department Of Giving The Republicans Everything And Then Some (DOGTREATS) in a previous post…
OldCoastie @ 159
i saw that.
that guy actually started to get my attention as possibly having something to contribute to the conversation that made sense, but he turned out to just be another bushie. then i remembered ken starr went on staff @ pepperdine directly from his gig as spec pros. (did not pass go – did not collect $200)
even though the illustrious john dean is also on staff there – pepperdine law strikes me as a school w/ an agenda – but ianal.
btw – john dean, (LOVE that man! i’ve learned so much from him!), will be on k.o. tomorrow – addressing testifying to congress while serving at the pleasure … (nope – i cant say it), while being employed at the white house. should be good.
The important point is, don’t write off a good candidate because you think other people might be convinced by wingnut attacks. (For a bad candidate, or one who’s not inspiring enough, go ahead and add the attacks to the “reasons not” pile.) We all have to be prepared to fight off these things. The media are still bad, but they’re not as bad as they were in ‘04. People pay a lot more attention to blogs and the web. This part really is up to us, to a great degree.
One thing I always keep in mind. In 2000, we watched the debates, saw the obvious, and then were stunned when the media verdict was that Bush had done “better than expected” (because he didn’t drool on himself, apparently.)
In 2004, we had an organized effort to hit all the online polls after the debates, and the media grudgingly admitted that Kerry won them. Rather eye-opening, considering how unscientific online polls are, but instructive.
We can do this, but we have to start with the assumption that swiftboating and smearing are things to be fought from the first peep, not inevitable things our candidate must somehow survive.
Ian @ 241
Oh lordy…definitely moving them to the top of my list.
angie @ 245
Edwards has a presser scheduled, and Aravosis is theorizing that he’s about to drop out because Elizabeth has taken a turn for the worse.
very nice, although I am partial to
troglodyte republican operative low-lifes
What news about John and Elizabeth???
Suzanne @ 214
I’m surprised. It’s so gorgeous!
BTW — I’ve been meaning to ask, if you don’t find the question too nosy:
Where did you get the sofa featured in one of the house pics? The material on the sofa, the sort of burgundy color with the swirl pattern in the material itself — it’s EXACTLY the same material we had on the sofa at our house when I was a little girl. (Legs are different, and the arms on ours had more woodwork in them in the front, at the center of the curved shape.)
We are interested in SOMEDAY (when we can afford it) getting a sofa made according to our own specs. Still I’d love to know what company is using what looks to be the same material and pattern several decades later).
LoudounLib @ 245
I just finished reading Elizabeth Edwards Saving Graces. She’s a truly beautiful human being, someone who has epitomized what reaching out to others is all about. I will be praying for her and her family.
I worry that her hormone therapy to have children when she was 48 and 50 contributed to this. But I’m not a doctor.
cbl @ 246
Stoopit troglodyt operative pathogens (STOP)?
cleter @ 222
Oh, no, the trolls were the ones with nothing to say but “look, Gore is a hypocrite!” I don’t think anyone thought you were a troll (at least I hope not.)
angie @ 248
Elizabeth had a dr’s appt, they are holding a news conference… tomorrow maybe?
sounds rather ominous…
Wow, I responded to angie before she even asked. Damn, I’m fast.
Just trying to be democratic…
Perhaps this is an appropriate time to suggest some folks might like to remember that insulting other commenters is frowned on at the Lake.
Nuf said?
*ilbo @ 257
Miss P. @ 209
Nice one, Miss P
Redshift @ 252
If I thought cleter was a troll, I wouldn’t be talking to him.
margot
Wow.
my cousin and many friends are in the peace corps…….inventive bunch of folks.
Mrs. K8 – I got the sofa at Connelley’s furniture in Fremont, CA. It was from a line called Metropolitan and I have (in storage) a matching deep blue chaise lounge with the same swirl.
Eli @ 222
Pantyraids.
New thread — TRex up in Late Night.
TRex doing Diana Ross upstairs
Man, I dislike Lieberman.
And I hope everything works out for Edwards.
And I would vote for Gore if he was the nominee.
Wow, Al! Gravitas.
Fuck, what might have been.
Miss P. @ 251
STO psychopaths?
(but loved yours, Miss P.)
kirk murphy @ 266
Oh no, psychopaths nails it!
OldCoastie @
253
thank you OC– hoping for the best for them right now.
how much do folks have to endure, anyway?
so sad.
Suzanne @ 259
Thank you! That was fast! I’ll jot this down and check them out later.
{{{***mwaahh***}}} — blowing you a kiss of gratitude.
RBG @ 8:01
Oops.
My bad. I apologize.
*ilbo @
257
So, everybody run upstairs or sumpthin’?
cleter @ 239
check out Gore’s speech re NSA wiretapping.
fir e in the belly, truth to power, all that jazz.
Gore’s taking care of business in ways he’d never be able to do as POTUS — and he knows it.
OldCoastie @ 253
May God be with her and her family! Prayers and hoping it’s not bad, and that she can make a complete recovery.
{delurking}
My 2 cents,
to the trolls: If global warming is a hoax, why o why have 61% of the countries signed on to kyoto?
OT: couple of weeks ago in a thread here (and at dialy kos) someone asked why CNN had all the commercials for companies who’s products you won’t be buying (Boeing, Ker-Mcgee etc.) Simple, they buy ad time to control the content and it works. Randi Rhodes talked about this on her local (west palm beach) radio show right after bush’s installment in the whitehouse. I’ve been listening to her since 1992.
Speaking of which: during the vote here in palm beach county in 2000. I worked (still do)in the building (2nd floor) where the re-count was held and participated in the re-count, history in the making. Unfortunately, the supremes (5 of them anyway) voted to install bush. My wife cried that day, not because they gave it to bush, but because the supremes tore a chunk out of the constitution.
The butterfly ballot screwed up a lot of people. Had I not heard about it from Randi on my way home from work, I may have mistakenly voted for Pat Buchanon like so many other people who did errantly. The holes in the machine didn’t align right with the candidates.
Nader didn’t help being on the ballot since he had no hope of winning but seriously pulling dem votes from Gore, but then again, if people knew what bush was going to do my guess is Gore would have won.
I’ve heard Nader is planning on running again.
If he does, my only wish is that he chooses LIEberman as his running mate.
dmac,
I have several cousins who joined and one friend who helped set up a hospital in Afghanistan in the early 60s. Great bunch of people.
Welcome Ironyesc8psem!
edward teller at 234
ai##c voters……..gimme a break……….. they don’[t follow.
Mrs. K8 @ 236
i cried while watching the inauguration in jan 2001. (remember someone egged the limo?) finally these past few months i’ve been feeling better. now you tell me we have a gift that will just keep on giving? yay!
Thanks, ref teh welcome.
Gore didn’t need LIEberman.. the jewish vote was there already..He shouldn’t of pandered to the “elian” crowd in dade county, he wasn’t going to get them….. Gore should have used the “the big dog”.. instead he ran away from him and then let the media define him without fighting back.
Didn’t mean to relive the past (still pisses me off) but hey I got another important battle to fight (politics start local). Went to HOA meeting tonight and the board is being run like it’s the bush administration. These people are whacked. Easy to beat em tho….just got to know all the laws and rules ;o)
What Karl Rove could do?
Have a few operatives researching food chain terrorist vulnerabilities note just how many pet food brands share the same plants and sources of protein, then let the already lax inspection process slip enough to allow a company that already tested AND KILLED pets with its food quietly allow several thousand shipments of contaminated food go throughout the entire pet food supply chain — and watch a population of pet loving Americans go grieving crazy, as the recall happens too late to save many of the little ones, across this country.
No. I put nothing past him. And after this week, we now know what he’s capable of. Killing puppies and kittens is simply an exercise of distraction.
It boggles the mind that a state like FL has 27 electoral votes. They are so far entrenched in the dark ages (voting technology withstanding) that their idea of “energy portfolio diversification” in No FL is to build a coal plant (clean coal, heh heh) in Taylor county.
One Bush like another:
WH: Who needs a transcript?
FL State Department: Who needs a voting paper trail?
Hence, Resident 43
& BTW RE: Gore’s House (and I wish he would have just said it out loud), it’s easy to see how 1st grade math would capture the minds of Inhofe and the Trolls. “This bar graph is taller than this bar graph”
Don’t even ask them to do the math that looks at “per household square foot”
It’s too hard!
How can anyone be interested in any of the residue of the Clintons which include Gore who, right or wrong on the climate, remains some spoiled rich kid forced into politics by his parents. Gore does belong in politics. He is an insecure hyperventialting waste of time/ Remember folks Gore could not even debate Bush and picked Lieberman, actually chose Lieberman. Folks Gore is an endless pit of disappointments. He certainly does not believe in himself. Like Bush he did not belong in an Ivy League school for starters. And for finishers, like Bush he did not deserve to run for President.