Eli!

Aw, geez, 2 zeds in 24 hrs. I’ll never get another…

“Overreach” will be the MSM’s new rallying cry. Broder had an article the other day about Dems can have oversight, but they need to be “nice” and “bipartisan”. Essentially, the same shit that turd’s been dealing out for years…

I hate journalists….

Hey, Karl Rove IS lurking behind every Bush in Washington!

The Republicans are afraid the Democrats will “overreach” and restore the Constitution.

The best thing the Democrats in Congress can do is keep investigating. There are so many worms under so many rocks that affect so many different people that it will keep the Republic stench of corruption wafting in the air through the election in ‘08. People (other than the dittoheads and O’Lielly’s crowd) can understand lying when it is shown as blatantly as this.

After all, hasn’t Hollywood conditioned people to believe “If you don’t have anything to hide, why won’t you talk.”

JaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin @ 3

“Overreach” will be the MSM’s new rallying cry. Broder had an article the other day about Dems can have oversight, but they need to be “nice” and “bipartisan”. Essentially, the same shit that turd’s been dealing out for years…

I hate journalists….

Overreach is to politicians what incivility is to bloggers.

Eli, you gave the answer yourself in your post. If any Dem can’t refute a charge of “overreach” s/he should just step out of the way and let people like Ned Lamont through.

dakine01 @ 6

After all, hasn’t Hollywood conditioned people to believe “If you don’t have anything to hide, why won’t you talk.”

And the Republicans have conditioned people to believe that if you don’t have anything to hide, you won’t mind the government reading all of your e-mails.

Geez, we just got started, and already they’re whining about over-reach??? Gimme a break.

Besides, it sounds like the Rove technique: Whatever you are most guilty of, blame it on your opponents. Republicans in general and Bush-Cheney in particular have been guilty of MONSTROUS over-reach for six years!!!.

Their whining is so pathetic. Bring out the Cry Babies picture used yesterday. Show it as the main pix whenever the word “over-reach” is used.

Bob in HI

And if Democrats let the resignation of Abu Gonzales (and/or Karl Rove *gasp*) stop them from continuing these investigations they will have proved every rude and unkind thing the Rethugs have been saying about usfor years. The only reason they have gotten away with so much sh*t for all these years is because we Dems have let them. It’s time for some pushback, baby! And NOT out of revenge, but out of a demand for their respect (and our self respect) in our future dealings with them.

Are not the Republicans the kings of overreach? I hate to keep making the comparison, but they sure weren’t singing that tune during the Clinton years!

Then it was “no one is above the law.”

Apparently it’s different now.

It is called OVERsight not overreach.

After six years of the Gooper, rubberstamp, roll-over-pat-my-stomach, wag-my-tail, give-me-another-reach-around Congress, a little oversight — eh, alot of oversight is what we need and then some more oversight.

That legislatin’-thingy might be a whole lot easier if the Republican Senators weren’t holding up cloture so often. I just don’t think the “overreach” claim is going to play well in Main St. USA, especially going to such lengths to avoid being put under oath. That’s easy enough to explain to a 10-year old (nothing against 10-year olds), and nary a whisper of the “national security” defense on this one.

The inside-the-beltway types better get a grip on Mr. 30%’er and start listening to the progressive MAJORITY in the U.S. who want accountability and our troops out of Iraq.

copied this from KOS about what happens when subpeona;s are issued and shrub says no…

More details later, if necessary. But just for laughs, know this: the penalty for defying a Congressional subpoena is being charged with contempt of Congress. Who prosecutes those charges on behalf of the Congress?

The U.S. Attorney’s office.

You think they don’t know the game they’re playing? [Kagro X]

Bob Schacht @ 10

Bring out the Cry Babies picture used yesterday. Show it as the main pix whenever the word “over-reach” is used.

I kinda liked mine…

If I had any Photoshop skills, I would have tried to to work up a “Please Henry, Don’t Hurt ‘Em” album cover…

I think the good Senator from Texas, Senator Box Turtle, misspoke hisself–that would be oversight, not overreach.

I know that none of these things are over-reaching, but I have to say that if the Dems keep this up, ie fighting one battle after another as it comes up, the Repugs are going to make it seem like “here we go again”. The Dems have to take a bold and decisive step against this administration. They have to impeach the President and Vice President. If they don’t, they’re going to come across as weak and annoying.

Ford pardoned Nixon because it was taking up his whole agenda. There was crime after crime and he had to get something done. That’s what’s going on here. Bush can drag his heels forever and blame the Democrats for stalling the Government.

Bush has to be impeached. Anything else is playing into their hands, no matter what truth and justice may be.

Ya wanna talk ‘overreach’?

‘Overreach’ is what BushCo and the Republicans are all about.

It’s about obstruction of justice!

Gonzo can’t go down. The whole house of cards will follow. It’s “last dog dies” time again.

Phoenix Woman @ 19

Ya wanna talk ‘overreach’?

‘Overreach’ is what BushCo and the Republicans are all about.

Yeah, but it’s totally macho and cool when they do it. They really give those sissy Dems what for!

conniptionfit @ 11

And if Democrats let the resignation of Abu Gonzales (and/or Karl Rove *gasp*) stop them from continuing these investigations they will have proved every rude and unkind thing the Rethugs have been saying about usfor years. The only reason they have gotten away with so much sh*t for all these years is because we Dems have let them. It’s time for some pushback, baby! And NOT out of revenge, but out of a demand for their respect (and our self respect) in our future dealings with them.

It is also so we don’t keep recycling the same cast of characters from Watergate through Iran-Contra to Bush the Junior’s “Worst President Ever” era. Poindexter, Abrams, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al are only still around (and remaining influential on our policies) because nobody ever gets held to account! The people have spoken — we demand accountability!

peterboy @ 13

It is called OVERsight not overreach.

After six years of the Gooper, rubberstamp, roll-over-pat-my-stomach, wag-my-tail, give-me-another-reach-around Congress, a little oversight — eh, alot of oversight is what we need and then some more oversight.

I’m with you Peterboy! We should all sing that tune. ” It’s called OVERSIGHT not overreach (dummy)!”

In response to your request, I am willing to say that you did not just say “even bigger than the pleasure of the President”. However, I will only say that behind closed doors and of course not under oath.

Rocket Scientist @ 23

In response to your request, I am willing to say that you did not just say “even bigger than the pleasure of the President”. However, I will only say that behind closed doors and of course not under oath.

Would there be a transcript?

Over reach is just recycling the Overzealous prosecutor slime they tried on PatFitz

The term “overreach” is going to be eclipsed by the words “scandal” and “cover up”.

I wish I’d seen the presser. My dander is up enough just seeing clips of it. This petulant Unilateral Decider wants to continue to act like King now that the GrownUps are running Congress, now that the GrownUps have the public’s attention? Now that he’s down around 30% popularity for a year or so, now that the public knows he is a lying, manipulative man who will do anything he wants because he feels entitled and it gives him political capital?

It just shows that he is more out of touch with reality in the US than he even appeared to be.

looseheadprop @ 25

Over reach is just recycling the Overzealous prosecutor slime they tried on PatFitz

Anyone who opposes, or even displeases them is a traitor and/or a fanatic.

The whole of the GOP is preparing just for this line of attack; Think Progress documents statements, which although not based in reality, will likely be followed by complaints that the Democrats are wasting the time and money of Congress and the Executive Branch on a fishing expedition:

White House Press Secretary Tony Snow: Well, as you know, Ed, it has been traditional in all White Houses not to have staffers testify on Capitol Hill. [3/13/07]
White House Counselor Dan Bartlett: I find it highly unlikely that a member of the White House staff would testify publicly to these matters. [3/13/07]
House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH): No, I think you’re violating a precedent there that should not be violated. … I believe that under the separation of powers, there are limits to the extent to which Congress can subpoena or demand testimony from those who were closest to the president. [3/15/07]

We gotta be thankful Republican operatives from all over keep helping us avoid mistakes. Where the fuck would we be without those guys? And gals? A hat tip to them all. Thanks, folks.

Georgesimian @ 18

I know that none of these things are over-reaching, but I have to say that if the Dems keep this up, ie fighting one battle after another as it comes up, the Repugs are going to make it seem like “here we go again”. The Dems have to take a bold and decisive step against this administration. They have to impeach the President and Vice President. If they don’t, they’re going to come across as weak and annoying.

Ford pardoned Nixon because it was taking up his whole agenda. There was crime after crime and he had to get something done. That’s what’s going on here. Bush can drag his heels forever and blame the Democrats for stalling the Government.

Bush has to be impeached. Anything else is playing into their hands, no matter what truth and justice may be.

Georgesimia I agree.Bush does need to be impeached in the worst way. But I think you’re lookin’ at it. This is the beginning of building the legal case that will take him down. But we need to get it right, not rush the deal. I’m as impatient as you, but we gotta remember that the Dems have only been in power for 2 months.It took the Rethugs years to f up our government this much. Time for us to get just a little zen.

“The president’s comments can reasonably be described as supportive of Ms. McDougal’s decision to disobey the court order. So far as we are aware, no sitting president ever has publicly indicated his agreement with a convicted felon’s stated reason for refusing to obey a federal court order to testify. Essentially, the president of the United States, the chief executive, sided with a convicted felon against the United States…” — Ken Starr

“The office where I serve has achieved a superb record in courts … We go to court and not on the talk show circuit. And our records show that there is a bright line between law and politics, between courts and polls. It leaves the polls to the politicians and the spin doctors. We are officers of the court who live in the world of law. We have presented our cases in court and, with very rare exception, we have won.” — Ken Starr

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS…..ng.quotes/

Norm Ornstein:

…[I]f Democrats overreach and focus so much of their resources and energy on these hearings… it makes it difficult to do anything on the policy front. Part of the reason they were elected was to provide a check-and-balance, but it was also to replace the do-nothing Congress with the do-something Congress, and doing something is not just investigating perfidy and wrongdoing. They are sofa king stupid

But then everthing they have said or done is a crime or a lie and must be investigated because to permit it to continue is a crime of commission and a loss of our democracy godf##%kingdammit

lutton @ 28

The whole of the GOP is preparing just for this line of attack; Think Progress documents statements, which although not based in reality, will likely be followed by complaints that the Democrats are wasting the time and money of Congress and the Executive Branch on a fishing expedition:

White House Press Secretary Tony Snow: Well, as you know, Ed, it has been traditional in all White Houses not to have staffers testify on Capitol Hill. [3/13/07]
White House Counselor Dan Bartlett: I find it highly unlikely that a member of the White House staff would testify publicly to these matters. [3/13/07]
House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH): No, I think you’re violating a precedent there that should not be violated. … I believe that under the separation of powers, there are limits to the extent to which Congress can subpoena or demand testimony from those who were closest to the president. [3/15/07]

I hope they’re willing to tattoo those statements on their foreheads before President ObamaClintonEdwardsGore is sworn in.

Interesting comment (hat tip to Talking Points Memo):

A knowledgeable observer on the White House’s game: “The key issue isn’t oath v. unsworn; it’s that as to both the testimony and the documents, they’re not willing to provide anything on communications inside the Executive Office of the President — you know, in the place where the removals were actually decided and made.”

Eli @ 24

Rocket Scientist @ 23

In response to your request, I am willing to say that you did not just say “even bigger than the pleasure of the President”. However, I will only say that behind closed doors and of course not under oath.

Would there be a transcript?

No, but there IS an e-mail!

Now we find out if my Democratic Party has balls.

pete @ 15

copied this from KOS about what happens when subpeona;s are issued and shrub says no…

More details later, if necessary. But just for laughs, know this: the penalty for defying a Congressional subpoena is being charged with contempt of Congress. Who prosecutes those charges on behalf of the Congress?

The U.S. Attorney’s office.

You think they don’t know the game they’re playing? [Kagro X]

This is why it is necessary to impeach Gonzales ASAP. Then we can move onward.

ccmask @ 31

We go to court and not on the talk show circuit. And our records show that there is a bright line between law and politics, between courts and polls. It leaves the polls to the politicians and the spin doctors. We are officers of the court who live in the world of law.

*snort*

Ken Starr, Mr. Quiet Integrity himself. He’s the Anti-Fitz.

When Memes Attack:

One thing that I think would be really useful right now is for us to put together and publicize a counter to the crap the Repubs spout to defend the firings: that “the USAs serve at the pleasure of the President.”

There’s huge difference between that and what happened with the firings. The latter is more like obstruction of justice, a catch phrase out of which I think we could get a lot of mileage.

Marcy, Christy, Jane, others, a long entry on this [drawing a picture of the firings as obstruction], perhaps with some references to the happenings in Watergate?

Mauimom @ 39

When Memes Attack:

One thing that I think would be really useful right now is for us to put together and publicize a counter to the crap the Repubs spout to defend the firings: that “the USAs serve at the pleasure of the President.”

There’s huge difference between that and what happened with the firings. The latter is more like obstruction of justice, a catch phrase out of which I think we could get a lot of mileage.

Marcy, Christy, Jane, others, a long entry on this [drawing a picture of the firings as obstruction], perhaps with some references to the happenings in Watergate?

Or at least explain that “the pleasure of the President” does not mean actual fellatio.

looseheadprop @
26

Over reach is just recycling the Overzealous prosecutor slime they tried on PatFitz

lhp -

When time permits, please look at this United States Supreme Court case that patience mentioned two or three threads ago:

MCGRAIN v. DAUGHERTY, 273 U.S. 135 (1927)

Per Wikipedia:

Teapot Dome scandal

(snip)

The investigation led to a series of civil and criminal suits related to the scandal throughout the 1920s. Finally in 1927 the Supreme Court ruled that the oil leases had been corruptly obtained and invalidated the Elk Hills lease in February of that year and the Teapot lease in October of the same year. The Navy regained control of the Teapot Dome and Elk Hills reserves as a result of the Court’s decision. Another significant outcome was the Supreme Court case McGrain v. Daugherty which, for the first time, explicitly established Congress’ right to compel testimony.

(snip)

conniptionfit @ 30

Georgesimian @ 18

I know that none of these things are over-reaching, but I have to say that if the Dems keep this up, ie fighting one battle after another as it comes up, the Repugs are going to make it seem like “here we go again”. The Dems have to take a bold and decisive step against this administration. They have to impeach the President and Vice President. If they don’t, they’re going to come across as weak and annoying.

Ford pardoned Nixon because it was taking up his whole agenda. There was crime after crime and he had to get something done. That’s what’s going on here. Bush can drag his heels forever and blame the Democrats for stalling the Government.

Bush has to be impeached. Anything else is playing into their hands, no matter what truth and justice may be.

Georgesimia I agree.Bush does need to be impeached in the worst way. But I think you’re lookin’ at it. This is the beginning of building the legal case that will take him down. But we need to get it right, not rush the deal. I’m as impatient as you, but we gotta remember that the Dems have only been in power for 2 months.It took the Rethugs years to f up our government this much. Time for us to get just a little zen.

I’m not impatient, well, I am, but, this isn’t about that. I agree with Lutten@28, the Repugs are going to use it against the Dems. And not only that, I hear the Repugs saying, “if they’re going to fight the President, they should do it”, instead of doing things like trying to cut spending on the war. It’s true. If the Democrats want to fight this guy, they have to do it. Impeachment is just the first step. Facts will come out in the hearings for that too.

I just saw about twenty random seconds of Bush conf. today (it’s all I can stand)…

Seems like he’s saying to Congress:
“You’re either with me or against me.”

Eli @ 25

Rocket Scientist @ 23

In response to your request, I am willing to say that you did not just say “even bigger than the pleasure of the President”. However, I will only say that behind closed doors and of course not under oath.

Would there be a transcript?

I submit your quick and perceptive observation as proof that it is so much easier to tell the truth. Something other than the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, is difficult even if you are just trying to be funny a smart ass.

OT-for a laugh-stolen from a talk show host.
Get the aural of Scalia saying “Bong Hits For Jesus.”
current agenda of SCOTUS

Maddy @ 45

OT-for a laugh-stolen from a talk show host.
Get the aural of Scalia saying “Bong Hits For Jesus.”
current agenda of SCOTUS

Vaffanculo 4 Jesus.

Bush wanted to laugh as he spoke this afternoon and he is chuckling over a martini now. He won’t understand until he is impeached that he is in trouble at all. Nothing short of full exposure and jail time will begin to stifle these authoritarians.

Bullys have to be utterly humiliated before they stfu or change their ways.

I say go ahead and overreach.
Reach over and slap a few subpoenas on their asses.
Start making these jerks back up and defend themselves against what they have been doing.They certainly had plenty of overreach wrt Clinton.
They seem to have a pretty short memory for that shit.

Norman Orenstein of the American Enterprise Insitute? Why would anyone from AEI not want investigations?

The American public has turned on this bunch. (God, it took long enough.) The “not under oath and behind closed doors” isn’t for the public’s benefit and now everyone knows it. The oil executives who wouldn’t, Cheney/Bush who wouldn’t for the 9/11 commission — the argument was thin then, and has lost all effectiveness when it’s so obviously not for us, but to CYA. I’ll bet the polling on this comes out 80/20.

“I think there is every possibility that the Democrats will overreach in over-investigations, too much spending and taxes, and by responding too much to their own primary voters on Iraq and not the public.”

Um.. what does investigatory oversight have to do with spending and taxes anyway.. in the shadow of the most profligate presidency in recent memory? Hehehe. Do even the rethugs believe their Dems are tax ‘an’ spend mantra anymore?

btw, OT but I was an American Airlines airport lounge at O’Hare yesterday and found that the free terminals aa funishes for business travellers were actually blocking firedoglake as “pornography”. Wonkette was also blocked, as was Moveon, truthout and Michaelmoore.com. No righty-stuff was blocked as far as I could tell. wtf?

Impeach Gonzales and remind him that he is political appointee who serves at the pleasure of Congress.

I agree it is not overreach, it’s oversight.

All of this Republican whining reminds me of the Truman quote:

I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it’s hell.

Voters last November and in polls said they wanted Democrats to investigate and exercise oversight. The overreach argument is just standard operating procedure.

Demonize the discourse
Try to change the subject
Warn Democrats of ominous but unspecified consequences
Ignore Republicans’ own and very real history of overreach
Say the public doesn’t support it even when there is overwhelming evidence that they do.

I’m sure folks out there could add others.

Veritas78 @ 50

The American public has turned on this bunch. (God, it took long enough.) The “not under oath and behind closed doors” isn’t for the public’s benefit and now everyone knows it. The oil executives who wouldn’t, Cheney/Bush who wouldn’t for the 9/11 commission — the argument was thin then, and has lost all effectiveness when it’s so obviously not for us, but to CYA. I’ll bet the polling on this comes out 80/20.

But how are they supposed to provide good testimony otherwise?

Or at least explain that “the pleasure of the President” does not mean actual fellatio.

Well, you know that bumper sticker: “would someone please give Bush a BJ so we can impeach him?”

tryggth @ 53

Impeach Gonzales and remind him that he is political appointee who serves at the pleasure of Congress.

Presumably shrub will fire him or force him to resign before he allows him to be impeached, unfortunately.

Hugh @ 53

I agree it is not overreach, it’s oversight.

All of this Republican whining reminds me of the Truman quote:

I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it’s hell.

Yep. And whenever the media reports the truth, they scream and demand that it report some lies to balance it out.

“It’s amazing to me. This is what I’m talking about when I say a legitimate investigation can overreach. Democrats think Karl Rove is lurking behind every bush in Washington.”

Cornyn was so close to the truth with this, but it’s not every bush, just the burning Bush.

Political writers have said “why would anyone want to be president in Jan. 2009 and clean up GWB’s mess?”

Well, we’re seeing the new Congress faced with the task here in 2007. And they’ve got a lot to clean up. Might get ugly, and overwhelming — still, the cleanup has begun.

And some messes really do take a lot of work to deal with.

Overreach?

Isn’t that what you HAVE to do when the administration builds a fucking MOAT around the White House?

Actually I think
the Onion has the scoop on the Next Great Talking Point(tm).

If there is one thing the “average” American understands, it’s being fired over bullshit.

Hardball is an absolute disaster. They are taking Bush’s words as gospel and trashing the Democrats. I had to turn it off. Hopefully, KO is better.

Eli..Oh yea of sofa king little faith. the prez says “we aint talkin’ under no oath”..dems fightin words…I hope

We’re not that far apart, my dear georgesimia. We always knew that the rethugs were going to try to use it against us. Let ‘em! For all these years the rethugs just laughed at us silly Dems. So we just ignore them, and build our solid airtight case. If we have to we can just remind the media that if the rethugs didn’t keep on making so many messes, the Dems wouldn’t have to spend so much time cleaning up after them. If they were REAL adults they’d have cleaned up their own messes. Plus they’re poopyheads.

This is just the beginning of oversight, The Wurlitzer is just getting tuned up.
They will drag this dead cat out again on Sunday on Timmeh the Tool’s show and all the rest.I can’t wait for Toenails to get up there and start shrieking.Oh, and Kristoll, he’s my favorite wingnut, you can always count on him to spin some antimatter off into the airwaves.

Where are all the ‘old timers’? I’m lonely. ;0)

Eli.. another overreach quote today, from today’s NYT

Quoting Thomas Mann, Brookings
“There is a risk of overplaying their hand,” said Thomas Mann, a congressional expert at the Brookings Institution. “Thus far, the Democrats have been judicious in their use of subpoenas and focused mainly on Iraq-related matters. The U.S. attorney firing (controversy) is of a different order and needs to be handled carefully and fairly — with Republicans participating in the oversight.”

Cleverly, my senator (Cardin-D-MD) is listed on the Senate Judiciary committee, so I called and left a message at his office saying that I was a MD resident and wanted subpeonas.

Sadly, Maryland has no representives on the House Judiciary committee, so I called to leave a message for Conyers. I couldn’t — his voicemail is full …

Bush is looking for a confrontation to deflect his complicity in this peccadilo . He feels he has loaded the Supreme Court sufficiently to support his stance . The courts have been a prime focus of this admin , just as it was with Hitler .

I don’t state this without a basis . Having read all my late father’s books ( he was a life-long republican and my grandmother a republican activist in a dem state ) I know fascism when I hear it . This admin has me weeping for my father ( again ) and how aghast he would be if he knew what has transpired under Bush . I can’t bear to use the words
” President of the United States “.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 68

Where are all the ‘old timers’? I’m lonely. ;0)

Hey there! Don’t I count?

Didn’t you like my joke about the “moat” at #61?

Oklahoma kiddo @ 68

Where are all the ‘old timers’? I’m lonely. ;0)

Libby trial clued us newbies to your wonderful lodge. And what a lodge it is.

Bush is fighting for the God given right for Republicans to lie.

If Republicans had to start telling the truth, the party would shrivel up and disappear. For them, this is a matter of survival.

Lieberman must be sitting down with his hands over his ears right about now. Yea, Joe, this is almost as bad as video games or the cartoon channel…

Oklahoma kiddo @ 68

Where are all the ‘old timers’? I’m lonely. ;0)

Actually I have been here for years, just don’t comment much. Todays disclosers reminds me of the Nixon years. And Go Gore, Go Clark..

When you are losing and they won’t let you change the rules, run to your mamma! Unfair! Wa-a-a.

Great post Eli, as always.

Marcy if your around you have mail.

Tuesday, March 20, 2007
here’s a speech if someone wants to use it…

BUSH SHOULD BE IMPEACHED ALONG WITH CHENEY!
IMPEACH BUSH!

We have no alternative, he is UTTERLY beneath the law, and made that choice quite publicly, TODAY, by claiming this inquiry into the attorney firings is partisan politics. And for obvious reasons, we need to impeach Cheney right along with Bush.

I’m one of those who has always considered Bush a hand-puppet, and like Rush Limbaugh, just an impotent player in a game managed by smarter people who feed them their lines. And I have little doubt that Rove is and always has been the author of both those puppet’s lines.

But this latest escapade is so shameful, it proves Bush cares nothing for the rule of law, especially any law that applies to him and limitations to his power. Bush, or ANY president for that matter, is just a man, an elected official, nothing mre than a glorified a public servant, and not the royal ruler his delusions of grandeur and his minions apparently have convinced of.

Bush forgot long ago that “The President” is just a man, not a king, who should realize that in our nation of equal members, honor and glory are earned, not inherited. It is given to those who stand forth and do what is right, regardless of the consequences. That is the meaning of nobility in this age of reason , freedom, and equality. If the man behind the office were a truly noble person, none of this would have ever happened in the first place, so he is not only a failure as a president, he has proven today he is, at best, a mediocre person, totally bereft of the real “excellency” of truth and honor. His nobility is imaginery, and vain.

His loyalties are to his cronies, not the taxpayers OR the voters.

It is time to hang the impeachment sword over his head, and give him an historic asterisk as big as his arrogance. It is time to start the process to hold him accountable for his hubris and defference.

All I have is my keyboard, a computer and a list of people who seem to tolerate my vociferous political emails. And a bunch of blogs I inhabit now and then. It may not be much, compared to the apparent power and wealth of our adversaries, but it might well be enough, if there are many of us who will make the same commitment. Call it the liberal blogosphere, call it grassroots, call it a popular groundswell, whatever label it takes, it is really a new revolution.

We do not need to resort to violence or insurrection: Our guns are keyboards and our bullets are words of truth, that can not be denied without a lie. If we will just seek and nurture a ressurection of our democratic spirit, we can and will effect an historic change, simply by our mutual will.

I hope many of you will join me in making a pledge to redouble the effort to eject this infection on our highest office, well before the next election. The speech I just watched made me ashamed of our government, and that shame has turned to slow, deliberate rage.. the kind that keeps me up at nights, searching the news for one more tiny piece of evidence that might be used to topple these arrogant rogues.

So I’m making this personal commitment, as John Brown did when he stood forth and made his pledge to free the slaves. In the name of Voltaire, Jefferson, Lincoln, Kennedy and King, and for the sake of my children and grandchildren, I am committed to peacefully casting these dark angels out of our highest office, before their time is due, as a lesson to future dishonorable despots-in-Republican clothing, who would assume their no-bid, book-cooking ways can go on forever, at the expense of our free and equal nation, “the last, best hope of mankind on Earth.”

Blub @ 68

Eli.. another overreach quote today, from today’s NYT

Quoting Thomas Mann, Brookings
“There is a risk of overplaying their hand,” said Thomas Mann, a congressional expert at the Brookings Institution. “Thus far, the Democrats have been judicious in their use of subpoenas and focused mainly on Iraq-related matters. The U.S. attorney firing (controversy) is of a different order and needs to be handled carefully and fairly — with Republicans participating in the oversight.”

I’m so glad they’re looking out for us so we don’t get into too much trouble with our foolish quest for truth and justice.

Mauimom @ 55

Or at least explain that “the pleasure of the President” does not mean actual fellatio.

Well, you know that bumper sticker: “would someone please give Bush a BJ so we can impeach him?”

EWWWW. You first, Mauimom….

conniptionfit @ 80

EWWWW. You first, Mauimom….

Someone has to, er, take one for the team.

Stephen Parrish, CPA

wow. I was just looking at Daugherty last night when folks were saying Abu – worst ever and I immediately wondered about Harding’s AG

He resigned not over Teapot Dome, but believe he got caught taking some kickbacks from bootleggers

Overreach? Well, I hope I’m wrong but how’s this for overreach?

Iran Attack In April?

Eli @ 82

conniptionfit @ 80

EWWWW. You first, Mauimom….

Someone has to, er, take one for the team.

I think if it has to be done, the “volunteer” we push forward should be someone suffering from LOCKJAW.

It’s worth considering that the “overreach” allegation now appearing everywhere is probably a well-considered rethug tactic, given how Hillary and most of our leadership typically responds to any hint of real controvery. ‘if you take a stand, the “public” (the same public we as rethugs routinely lie to, betray, steal from and send off to die in some desert somewhere) will retaliate, so be nice, pliant and docile’…

This Old Brit @ 83

Overreach? Well, I hope I’m wrong but how’s this for overreach?

Iran Attack In April?

That sounds like a good time to roll out the new spring war.

Mauimom has it right; NEVER use their (LYING) words…

Not “surge”: ESCLATION
Not “overreach”: OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE
Not “insurgency”: CIVIL WAR

We only need to TELL THE TRUTH in clear, forceful language and NEVER use the lying words of the opposition. We have literally allowed them to get away with murder (and torture, and all-sorts of evil things…)

Blub @ 85

It’s worth considering that the “overreach” allegation now appearing everywhere is probably a well-considered rethug tactic, given how Hillary and most of our leadership typically responds to any hint of real controvery. ‘if you take a stand, the “public” (the same public we as rethugs routinely lie to, betray, steal from and send off to die in some desert somewhere) will retaliate, so be nice, pliant and docile’…

Oh, exactly. What else have they got?

Overreach? OVERREACH? Overreach, my f******g ass.
Listen, GOP. You installed an unelected jackass. Every time Bush enters the White House it’s an epic, monstrous overreach. The GOP overreaches everytime they refer to that clown as “President.” Kindly STFU. You have no-one but yourselves to blame for picking the most manifestly unqualified presidential candidate in 100 years. STFU.

I could just spit, I am so f*cking mad.

What part of “obstruction of justice” do these idiot talking heads not understand?

Tweety’s parroting the party line, a la Bush, about this being nothing more than a Democratic partisan fishing trip or witch hunt.

F*ck you, Tweety. Didn’t Russert’s little trip in front of Fitz and Libby’s conviction hammer anything home into that fuzzy head of yours? Jeebus.

a message for Conyers. I couldn’t — his voicemail is full …

meep,

try Congresswoman Linda Sanchez , his lieutenant on the committee.

I think I hit a nerve tonight.

Good.

Re: the “overreach” charge, it’s a Concern Troll argument writ large.

Concern about corruption was apparently the number one issue that helped bring the Democrats to power in the last election.

Bush’s approval ratings are in the toilet.

Where is this American voting block , aside from the 30% that still supports the administration, that’s going to be upset that the Congress is using the rule of law to turn over the stones and investigate? Virtually everything the pundits and media have told us for years has been wrong … I think the Dems are finally getting that message. One can only hope.

Also, this scandal doesn’t have anything to do with the “but it’ll hurt the troops!” argument that partially shields the administration’s actions in Iraq from Congressional initiatives. Where’s the downside if the Dems keep pushing it?

Mrs. K8 @ 84

Eli @ 82

conniptionfit @ 80

EWWWW. You first, Mauimom….

Someone has to, er, take one for the team.

I think if it has to be done, the “volunteer” we push forward should be someone suffering from LOCKJAW.

Do you really think we can get a republican woman to volunteer?

For those that missed it, today’s Chimpy presser

-the portion with the reporter’s questions is coming soon…

(or as RawStory would say, DEVELOPING HARD…)

cleter @ 90

Overreach? OVERREACH? Overreach, my f******g ass.
Listen, GOP. You installed an unelected jackass. Every time Bush enters the White House it’s an epic, monstrous overreach. The GOP overreaches everytime they refer to that clown as “President.” Kindly STFU. You have no-one but yourselves to blame for picking the most manifestly unqualified presidential candidate in 100 years. STFU.

cleter –

You’re being way too easy on them, when you say “the most manifestly unqualified presidential candidat in 100 years.”

You know damned well he’s the worst presidential candidate (and worst pResident) since presidents were invented.

Eli @ 80

Blub @ 68

Eli.. another overreach quote today, from today’s NYT

Quoting Thomas Mann, Brookings
“There is a risk of overplaying their hand,” said Thomas Mann, a congressional expert at the Brookings Institution. “Thus far, the Democrats have been judicious in their use of subpoenas and focused mainly on Iraq-related matters. The U.S. attorney firing (controversy) is of a different order and needs to be handled carefully and fairly — with Republicans participating in the oversight.”

I’m so glad they’re looking out for us so we don’t get into too much trouble with our foolish quest for truth and justice.

Because the Republicans have been so willing to exercise oversight against their own for the past 12 years, righ Mr. Mann?

-GSD

Respectful Dissent @ 93

Where’s the downside if the Dems keep pushing it?

Well, we might no longer benefit from the Republicans’ wise and judicious leadership, for one thing.

cbl @ 83

Stephen Parrish, CPA

wow. I was just looking at Daugherty last night when folks were saying Abu – worst ever and I immediately wondered about Harding’s AG

He resigned not over Teapot Dome, but believe he got caught taking some kickbacks from bootleggers

I never thought there would be another AG as bad or worse than John Mitchell in my life (I’m 54). I was badly mistaken.

conniptionfit @ 94

Do you really think we can get a republican woman to volunteer?

Hell, we could probably charge ‘em for the privilege.

Now Mrs. Greenspan can’t really recall any White House staffer/official called to testify, she’s fishing around for a name.

Why does she still have a job? Has she not been covering this beat for eons? Why is she not prepared for Tweety’s show today???

Eli,
Thanks for this article. I’ve spotlighted it to several media people in the hopes that they will educate everyone on the difference between oversight and overreach. Great point, and it will be missed if it’s not stressed.

Mrs. K8 @ 72

Oklahoma kiddo @ 68

Where are all the ‘old timers’? I’m lonely. ;0)

Hey there! Don’t I count?

Didn’t you like my joke about the “moat” at #61?

;0)!!! Smilin’ for you.

NewsHour just had on a couple of people talking about the attorney firing scandal. It was all so Mark Shields and David Brooks-like. They put on one spouter of White House talking points up against somone who is all very nuanced and heavily conditioned in everything he says and makes a point only by accident. As I said, so typical.

Rayne @ 102

Now Mrs. Greenspan can’t really recall any White House staffer/official called to testify, she’s fishing around for a name.

Why does she still have a job? Has she not been covering this beat for eons? Why is she not prepared for Tweety’s show today???

Does the name Bill Clinton ring a bell Mrs. Greenspin?

-GSD

Margot @ 102

Eli,
Thanks for this article. I’ve spotlighted it to several media people in the hopes that they will educate everyone on the difference between oversight and overreach. Great point, and it will be missed if it’s not stressed.

Thanks, Margot!

Eli @ 100

conniptionfit @ 94

Do you really think we can get a republican woman to volunteer?

Hell, we could probably charge ‘em for the privilege.

Eli, you are a sick, sick human being. I like you!

EPU’d
SixStringSlingr @
148

The MSM is finally waking up to the fact that there’s a real story here. Now they smell Watergate and big headlines and Pulitzer Prizes. Like a pack of wild dogs attacking a sick and wounded animal. heh.

Here’s hoping the 2007 Pulitzer Prizes follow the trend established in 2006.

INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING
Susan Schmidt, James V. Grimaldi and R. Jeffrey Smith of Washington Post
For their indefatigable probe of Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff that exposed congressional corruption and produced reform efforts.

BEAT REPORTING
Dana Priest of Washington Post
For her persistent, painstaking reports on secret “black site” prisons and other controversial features of the government’s counterterrorism campaign.

NATIONAL REPORTING
James Risen and Eric Lichtblau of New York Times
For their carefully sourced stories on secret domestic eavesdropping that stirred a national debate on the boundary line between fighting terrorism and protecting civil liberty.

NATIONAL REPORTING
Staffs of San Diego Union-Tribune and Copley News Service, with notable work by Marcus Stern and Jerry Kammer.
For their disclosure of bribe-taking that sent former Rep. Randy Cunningham to prison in disgrace.

conniptionfit –

LOL!!!

What we have to do is send in the lockjaw sufferer in the mouth-pried-open position, with some sort of control mechanism to slam “the lock” shut at the appropriate moment.

Didn’t one of the founding fathers say something about cutting down the tree of tyranny “at the root”?

“even bigger than “the pleasure of the President”"

I don’t think this is a suitable topic for this blog.

Marty Lederman’s take: “The White House Offer on the U.S. Attorney Imbroglio“

Eli @ 99

Respectful Dissent @ 93

Where’s the downside if the Dems keep pushing it?

Well, we might no longer benefit from the Republicans’ wise and judicious leadership, for one thing.

Ah, channeling Tweety, I see.

Really, the only thing Congress has to do is its job in providing oversight as the people’s elected proxies. Hopefully, some of them remember what that means, as opposed to being the rubber stamp enablers of the last 6 years.

Anonymous Well-Connected Republican Senate Aide:

Democrats smell blood in the water, and (Gonzales’) resignation won’t stop them. And on our side, no one’s going to defend him. All we can do is warn Democrats against overreaching.

Concern trolls everywhere.

In the annals of Repug overreach, we mustn’t forget Socksgate…

JPL @ 76

Oklahoma kiddo @ 68

Where are all the ‘old timers’? I’m lonely. ;0)

Actually I have been here for years, just don’t comment much. Todays disclosers reminds me of the Nixon years. And Go Gore, Go Clark..

I like what you’re telling me. ;0) Gore/Clark!

Really!

Tweety just blah blah blahed it all politics and then David Shuster came on and made the case for interference making Tweets look like the drooling idiot he is

conniptionfit @ 95

…Do you really think we can get a republican woman to volunteer?

You realize there may be more than one reason why there are so many Republican men divorced multiple times or having sex with other men, yes?

I suspect it’s the makeup thing, their insistence on putting on a good face on everything…”Harold, no, I don’t want to muss my lipstick!”

Rayne @ 91

I could just spit, I am so f*cking mad.

What part of “obstruction of justice” do these idiot talking heads not understand?

Tweety’s parroting the party line, a la Bush, about this being nothing more than a Democratic partisan fishing trip or witch hunt.

I’m right there with you! I had to turn the show off, though. It’s asinine.

Chris is down on his knees again!

Done, and thanks!

cbl @ 92

a message for Conyers. I couldn’t — his voicemail is full …

meep,

try Congresswoman Linda Sanchez , his lieutenant on the committee.

Rayne @ 102

Now Mrs. Greenspan can’t really recall any White House staffer/official called to testify, she’s fishing around for a name.

Why does she still have a job? Has she not been covering this beat for eons? Why is she not prepared for Tweety’s show today???

I’m hoping KO can call BS on this meme tonight. Keep spotlighting Jane’s post listing all the Clinton WH staff that testified to congress.

Eli@101 – how about that touchy, feely, grab ass chick from Minnesota, Michelle Bachman? See, for instance, the State of the Union speech.

Does this mean I won’t collect on my “Firing Abu” bet for Shrub’s presser?

The new Repugnicon “concern troll” mantra.

Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 42

looseheadprop @
26

Over reach is just recycling the Overzealous prosecutor slime they tried on PatFitz

lhp -

When time permits, please look at this United States Supreme Court case that patience mentioned two or three threads ago:

MCGRAIN v. DAUGHERTY, 273 U.S. 135 (1927)

Per Wikipedia:

Teapot Dome scandal

(snip)

The investigation led to a series of civil and criminal suits related to the scandal throughout the 1920s. Finally in 1927 the Supreme Court ruled that the oil leases had been corruptly obtained and invalidated the Elk Hills lease in February of that year and the Teapot lease in October of the same year. The Navy regained control of the Teapot Dome and Elk Hills reserves as a result of the Court’s decision. Another significant outcome was the Supreme Court case McGrain v. Daugherty which, for the first time, explicitly established Congress’ right to compel testimony.

(snip)

I just skimmed it. Can I tell you how much I admire you?

Thank you. This a roadmap. And I think maybe Henry Waxman has studied this case very carefully. I feel a post coming on

Eli @ 99

Respectful Dissent @ 93

Where’s the downside if the Dems keep pushing it?

Well, we might no longer benefit from the Republicans’ wise and judicious leadership, for one thing.

My personal feeling is that the visceral anti-Dem reaction that these pundits are wishfully attributing to the American public (in the event we “overreach”) only works if the public hasn’t completely written off the rethugs and shrub… that there’s something left on the right that’s worth defending or getting defensive above. The truth is that these apologists need to understand that the conventional wisdom doesn’t apply when 2/3rds of Americans no longer believe anything shrub has to say, whether they agree with disagree with it.

gbear @ 111

“even bigger than “the pleasure of the President”"

I don’t think this is a suitable topic for this blog.

What’ll we tell the children?

bmaz @ 122

Eli@101 – how about that touchy, feely, grab ass chick from Minnesota, Michelle Bachman? See, for instance, the State of the Union speech.

And isn’t Katherine Harris at loose ends these days?

You’re right, Mrs K8.
Absolutely worst preznit ever. Though he wasn’t the most unqualified candidate ever, necessarily. He was a governor, sort of. He had the minimal resume for being a candidate. But, worst president–sure, no contest.

ptrig @ 73

Oklahoma kiddo @ 68

Where are all the ‘old timers’? I’m lonely. ;0)

Libby trial clued us newbies to your wonderful lodge. And what a lodge it is.

It’s a pretty nice place. Sounds as though you belong here. ;0)

Mrs. K8 @ 110

conniptionfit –

LOL!!!

What we have to do is send in the lockjaw sufferer in the mouth-pried-open position, with some sort of control mechanism to slam “the lock” shut at the appropriate moment.

Didn’t one of the founding fathers say something about cutting down the tree of tyranny “at the root”?

How about a snapping turtle with a wig and lipstick?

Someone has to, er, take one for the team.

I think if it has to be done, the “volunteer” we push forward should be someone suffering from LOCKJAW.

Do you really think we can get a republican woman to volunteer?

Let’s give the job to Tweety. He can take it to the mattress, as it were.

Mrs. K8 @ 109

What we have to do is send in the lockjaw sufferer in the mouth-pried-open position, with some sort of control mechanism to slam “the lock” shut at the appropriate moment.

Oh, like an O’Beirtrap.

Mrs. K8 @ 109

conniptionfit –

LOL!!!

What we have to do is send in the lockjaw sufferer in the mouth-pried-open position, with some sort of control mechanism to slam “the lock” shut at the appropriate moment.

Didn’t one of the founding fathers say something about cutting down the tree of tyranny “at the root”?

Is it beer thirty yet? I’m going to have to “liberally” wash these images out of my brain before it implodes! My stomach hurts from laughing!

LHP- “I feel a post coming on”!!!!

Oh goody! I love your posts.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 130

It’s a pretty nice place. Sounds as though you belong here. ;0)

I’m blushing.

kirk murphy @ 123

Does this mean I won’t collect on my “Firing Abu” bet for Shrub’s presser?

Correct. Thanks for playing, though! Please come again!

Mrs. K8 @ 127

And isn’t Katherine Harris at loose ends these days?

I will not comment on the looseness of Katherine Harris’s end.

Eli @ 133

Mrs. K8 @ 109

What we have to do is send in the lockjaw sufferer in the mouth-pried-open position, with some sort of control mechanism to slam “the lock” shut at the appropriate moment.

Oh, like an O’Beirtrap.

Spew Alert. Eli is channeling Punaise.

cleter @ 129

You’re right, Mrs K8.
Absolutely worst preznit ever. Though he wasn’t the most unqualified candidate ever, necessarily. He was a governor, sort of. He had the minimal resume for being a candidate. But, worst president–sure, no contest.

Ah, I see.

Actually from the standpoint of “worst candidate” in 100 years, you may indeed have a point.

Didn’t General McClellan, that Hesitator Extraordinaire who tried to lose the Civil War for Lincoln, start an abortive run for the presidency?

Eli @ 138

Mrs. K8 @ 127

And isn’t Katherine Harris at loose ends these days?

I will not comment on the looseness of Katherine Harris’s end.

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

Stephen Parrish,

What looseheadprop said, most excellent!

bmaz @ 121

Eli@101 – how about that touchy, feely, grab ass chick from Minnesota, Michelle Bachman? See, for instance, the State of the Union speech.

I bet she’d be so proud of herself that she’d publicize it for us!

Okay, Wold wants Arnold for president. He was talking to Bill Mahr just now. He asked him what he thought of Hillary and Edwards, and Arnold and Gore and McCain. I guess Bush told Wolfie to start planting arnie seeds. Is this law going to be changed wrt Arnold running for Preznut I wonder?

conniptionfit @ 143

bmaz @ 121

Eli@101 – how about that touchy, feely, grab ass chick from Minnesota, Michelle Bachman? See, for instance, the State of the Union speech.

I bet she’d be so proud of herself that she’d publicize it for us!

Eeeeeew. She is so repulsive. Blergh.

glenn greenwald’s take: “The President’s oh-so-noble reliance on “executive privilege”“

conniptionfit @ 142

bmaz @ 121

Eli@101 – how about that touchy, feely, grab ass chick from Minnesota, Michelle Bachman? See, for instance, the State of the Union speech.

I bet she’d be so proud of herself that she’d publicize it for us!

It would be A Very Special Journal Entry.

“Dearest Diary: Today is the happiest day of my entire life! I’ll never brush my teeth again!”

(You’ll just have to picture the little hearts dotting the i’s…)

My above should be Wolfie.

Mrs. K8 @
140

Ah, I see.

Actually from the standpoint of “worst candidate” in 100 years, you may indeed have a point.

Didn’t General McClellan, that Hesitator Extraordinaire who tried to lose the Civil War for Lincoln, start an abortive run for the presidency?

Indeed. 1864.

Eli @
101

conniptionfit @ 94

Do you really think we can get a republican woman to volunteer?

Hell, we could probably charge ‘em for the privilege.

I’m calling Michelle Bachmann as we speak. She’d finance FDL for a year for a taste of Little Georgie Porgie.

conniptionfit @ 143

bmaz @ 121

Eli@101 – how about that touchy, feely, grab ass chick from Minnesota, Michelle Bachman? See, for instance, the State of the Union speech.

I bet she’d be so proud of herself that she’d publicize it for us!

Now, how many gallons of beer will it take to wash away THAT image?

I thought the notion of Mean Jean Schmidt running down the Halls of Congress, screaming about the vomitus on the back of her suit from her having slipped and fallen in it in the rest room was an ugly, ugly picture.

And then I arrived at THIS thread.

ccmask @ 143

Okay, Wold wants Arnold for president. He was talking to Bill Mahr just now. He asked him what he thought of Hillary and Edwards, and Arnold and Gore and McCain. I guess Bush told Wolfie to start planting arnie seeds. Is this law going to be changed wrt Arnold running for Preznut I wonder?

Stoopit Constitution never lets us have any fun.

Maybe this woman is the one…

http://www.dependablerenegade……re_ye.html

(who is she anyway??)

oh, and watertiger simply rocks.

I think the Democrats should ignore the “overreach” Republican Talking Point and issue subpoenas. When the White House stonewalls,the next step is not necessarily to call for sanctions, but to begin a mighty chorus of “obstruction of justice” and “coverup” and “what are they hiding?”

Eli, you’re killin’ me!! rofl!

Rayne @ 118

conniptionfit @ 95

…Do you really think we can get a republican woman to volunteer?

You realize there may be more than one reason why there are so many Republican men divorced multiple times or having sex with other men, yes?

I suspect it’s the makeup thing, their insistence on putting on a good face on everything…”Harold, no, I don’t want to muss my lipstick!”

No tounges!

Taffeta darling!

Mrs. K8 @ 150

I thought the notion of Mean Jean Schmidt running down the Halls of Congress, screaming about the vomitus on the back of her suit from her having slipped and fallen in it in the rest room was an ugly, ugly picture.

Gives a whole new meaning to “vomit comet”…

peterboy @ 17

I think the good Senator from Texas, Senator Box Turtle, misspoke hisself–that would be oversight, not overreach.

Waaay back, it might coulda been that there was a good Senator from Texas. Those Senator things we got now, that ain’t good.

Eli @ 147

conniptionfit @ 142

bmaz @ 121

Eli@101 – how about that touchy, feely, grab ass chick from Minnesota, Michelle Bachman? See, for instance, the State of the Union speech.

I bet she’d be so proud of herself that she’d publicize it for us!

It would be A Very Special Journal Entry.

“Dearest Diary: Today is the happiest day of my entire life! I’ll never brush my teeth again!”

(You’ll just have to picture the little hearts dotting the i’s…)

Oh dear god! Is that how Jean Schmidt’s teeth got so gross? She vowed never to brush her teeth again, after…oh, dear god.

lol eli.

Mrs. K8 @ 150

conniptionfit @ 143

bmaz @ 121

Eli@101 – how about that touchy, feely, grab ass chick from Minnesota, Michelle Bachman? See, for instance, the State of the Union speech.

I bet she’d be so proud of herself that she’d publicize it for us!

Now, how many gallons of beer will it take to wash away THAT image?

I thought the notion of Mean Jean Schmidt running down the Halls of Congress, screaming about the vomitus on the back of her suit from her having slipped and fallen in it in the rest room was an ugly, ugly picture.

And then I arrived at THIS thread.

That’ll teach ya!

Rayne @ 91

I could just spit, I am so f*cking mad.

What part of “obstruction of justice” do these idiot talking heads not understand?

Tweety’s parroting the party line, a la Bush, about this being nothing more than a Democratic partisan fishing trip or witch hunt.

F*ck you, Tweety. Didn’t Russert’s little trip in front of Fitz and Libby’s conviction hammer anything home into that fuzzy head of yours? Jeebus.

Matthews says the Democrats are only doing this because Bush is weak, not that this isn’t part of a pattern of abuse of power. Yet he still acts like Bush’s JARs in the 70s instead of hovering around 30.

Really, I’m surprised Mean Jean is so clumsy. From her attire when she accused Murtha of cowardice, I assumed she must have been an Olympic gymnast.

Now she’s just gymnasty.

Oh my – Bud Cummings on Tweety “I don’t think the President knows he hired me; I don’t think he knows he fired me” Oh yes – when Dubya said tonight that he hired the entire 93, I wanted a reporter to ask “Really? Name 10″

I fear this thread, after starting so promisingly, has become irredeemably polluted.

Here’s the reporter’s Q&A from chimpy’s presser earlier this eve.

Helen @ 163

Oh my – Bud Cummings on Tweety “I don’t think the President knows he hired me; I don’t think he knows he fired me” Oh yes – when Dubya said tonight that he hired the entire 93, I wanted a reporter to ask “Really? Name 10″

Well, jeez. What kind of pleasure is *that*?

Fired USA Bud Cummins on Hardball says the fired USAs were going to go quietly, but the administration’s public attack on their performance forced them to defend their reputations.

The WH could have avoided much of this if they would have just said from the beginning, “political appointee, pleasure of the President” and not deviated from it.

cleter @ 164

I fear this thread, after starting so promisingly, has become irredeemably polluted.

My work here is done.

cleter @ 165

I fear this thread, after starting so promisingly, has become irredeemably polluted.

Are you suggesting there’s been some overreaching?

cleter @ 164

I fear this thread, after starting so promisingly, has become irredeemably polluted.

Hey! I resemble that remark!

I missed my bus because of this thread. Great.

neurophius @ 167

Fired USA Bud Cummins on Hardball says the fired USAs were going to go quietly, but the administration’s public attack on their performance forced them to defend their reputations.

The WH could have avoided much of this if they would have just said from the beginning, “political appointee, pleasure of the President” and not deviated from it.

Plus, it would have been legal!

Balrog –

You beat me to it!

“Taffeta, darling!” is one of our favorite quotes at our house.

Not that I wear taffeta often, or anything.

;-)

Mrs K8 please explain?

Eli @
169

cleter @ 164

I fear this thread, after starting so promisingly, has become irredeemably polluted.

My work here is done.

Oh thank you, thank you.

Seriously, I started the day in a very bleak mood, indeed. Now I can’t stop laughing!

neurophius @ 167

Fired USA Bud Cummins on Hardball says the fired USAs were going to go quietly, but the administration’s public attack on their performance forced them to defend their reputations.

The WH could have avoided much of this if they would have just said from the beginning, “political appointee, pleasure of the President” and not deviated from it.

I actually waded through the first two-thirds of last night’s doc dump in hopes of an A-ha! moment, and one of the things that struck me was just *how many* e-mails there were from Margaret Chiara, begging them to tell her why she was fired, and to renounce the poor performance reason.

Also, Cummins started out as a good soldier, even volunteering to testify on their behalf and put in a good word for OfKarl Griffin, but seemed to become progressively less of a good sport, finally sending some of the other fired USAs a “DOJ tried to shut me up with empty threats. They really don’t want us to testify or talk to the media.” e-mail.

RE: the Bush blow job

Fuckin dry drunk can’t get it up anymore. One (out of many) reason Laura looks constantly sedated.

ptrig @ 169

cleter @ 165

I fear this thread, after starting so promisingly, has become irredeemably polluted.

Are you suggesting there’s been some overreaching?

Overretching, unfortunately.

Mrs. K8 @ 173

Balrog –

You beat me to it!

“Taffeta, darling!” is one of our favorite quotes at our house.

Not that I wear taffeta often, or anything.

;-)

Is there ever any, um, taffeta-pulling?

Margaret Atwood! Excellent ref!

Ok, how ’bout this…

Due to Bush’s long standing alcoholism combined with high stress and possible relapses, it’s entirely possible he is no longer capable of engaging in, ummm, previous Presidential hijinx.

If you know whut a mean.

conniptionfit @ 179

Margaret Atwood! Excellent ref!

Heh. I actually had to think for a second to remember what you were referring to. I usually don’t listen to anything I say…

conniptionfit @ 175

Mrs K8 please explain?

Um, what?

The meaning of the universe?

“42″

;-)

Seriously, though, explain what? “Taffeta darling”? It’s a movie quote. Young Frankenstein — Madeline Kahn says it when her husband wants to give her a good-bye kiss, but she’s wearing a fussy dress and doesn’t wanna be touched, so that’s her excuse.

See Eli, you’re even more clever than you know!

well there’s been some overscreeching about slow bleeds and micro managing

Fuckin dry drunk can’t get it up anymore. One (out of many) reason Laura looks constantly sedated.

Nah, I think she’s relieved. How great could it be?

Hey. Lump in the bed. I’m the deciderer. And I decided I want some presidential pleasure.

Eli @ 180

Mrs. K8 @ 173

Balrog –

You beat me to it!

“Taffeta, darling!” is one of our favorite quotes at our house.

Not that I wear taffeta often, or anything.

;-)

Is there ever any, um, taffeta-pulling?

If there are no pictures, that means it didn’t happen. Right?

So, George Bush… tis it a fight ya be wantin’, is it?

WASHINGTON – A defiant President Bush warned Democrats Tuesday to accept his offer to have top aides testify about the firings of federal prosecutors only privately and not under oath or risk a constitutional showdown from which he would not back down.

Democrats’ response to his proposal was swift and firm: They said they would start authorizing subpoenas as soon as Wednesday for the White House aides.

I’ve alerted Punaise that you are here, Eli. I think he’s being good and working his way through the threads. Last saw him on the “We need your support thread”. I hope he gets here in time to save the situation.

Eli @ 179

Are you suggesting there’s been some overreaching?

Overretching, unfortunately.

I thought you’re work here was done. I have a bus to catch in 20.

Mrs. K8 @ 183

conniptionfit @ 175

Mrs K8 please explain?

Um, what?

The meaning of the universe?

“42″

;-)

Seriously, though, explain what? “Taffeta darling”? It’s a movie quote. Young Frankenstein — Madeline Kahn says it when her husband wants to give her a good-bye kiss, but she’s wearing a fussy dress and doesn’t wanna be touched, so that’s her excuse.

Ohhh. My hubby would have got that. I’ll have to try it out on him after I get these other images washed out of my mind. Thanks for the fish.

Mrs. K8 @ 186

If there are no pictures, that means it didn’t happen. Right?

Need I remind you, you *are* under oath here.

Valley Girl –

Last time I looked, nobody had responded to my asking for advice in the “support” thread about how to get to the actual survey page.

Do you know if that’s changed?

Oh hell, I’m just being lazy. Guess I’ll run back down there and check.

Valley Girl @ 188

I’ve alerted Punaise that you are here, Eli. I think he’s being good and working his way through the threads. Last saw him on the “We need your support thread”. I hope he gets here in time to save the situation.

I’ve probably used up my allotment by now…

Valley Girl @ 190

I’ve alerted Punaise that you are here, Eli. I think he’s being good and working his way through the threads. Last saw him on the “We need your support thread”. I hope he gets here in time to save the situation.

at first glance it appears to be beyond hope. :~)

From the reviews of the new emails it seems they don’t need Rove to testify
they can just have someone read his emails –Phillip Seymour Hoffman might be available

ptrig @ 189

Eli @ 179

Are you suggesting there’s been some overreaching?

Overretching, unfortunately.

I thought you’re work here was done. I have a bus to catch in 20.

I bet Rove is behind it.

(He’s certainly not under it)

Before Ahnold enjoys a special excepetion to the rule of immigrants running for Prez he’s got a lot of explainin’ to do to we Calif. constituents – most recently for what appears to be s special favor for his friend Clint Eastwood for appointing a friendly new Coastal Commission member who will help Dirty Harry subvert the vote on the state California Coastal Commission to permit Eastwood and his Pebble Beach Company’s tarnished application to destory the last old growth coastal Monterey pine forest so his possee can develop another massive golf course and resort inside the tony gates to tony Pebble Beach inside the gates to Del Monte Forest.

For all the gory details visit the courageous web site cr-pb.org.

We need a Federal special prosecutor here in Monterey County to clean out this rat’s nest of privilege and corruption from the boardroom of the PBC to the county Board of Supervisors. Oh silly me, I forget Bush knows how to thin their ranks and protect his Republican cohorts.

rumor has it that Eli is a veteran of some legendary eschaton punzapaloozas. he probably just comes over hear for the easy pickings…

Eli @ 193

Mrs. K8 @ 186

If there are no pictures, that means it didn’t happen. Right?

Need I remind you, you *are* under oath here.

Singing:

“Oath thay, can you thee?”

Can I swear on a copy of Cosmopolitan?

Rocket Scientist @
38

pete @ 15

copied this from KOS about what happens when subpeona;s are issued and shrub says no…

More details later, if necessary. But just for laughs, know this: the penalty for defying a Congressional subpoena is being charged with contempt of Congress. Who prosecutes those charges on behalf of the Congress?

The U.S. Attorney’s office.

You think they don’t know the game they’re playing? [Kagro X]

This is why it is necessary to impeach Gonzales ASAP. Then we can move onward.

Deputy Ag is Paul McNulty, so no good there, and Abu’s successor w/b appt’d by Geo. Subject to Senate approval, of course, and could take forever. But a special prosecutor could be appointed. He’d have to be skilled, tenacious, impartial. Any thoughts? Tennessean?

punaise @ 197

rumor has it that Eli is a veteran of some legendary eschaton punzapaloozas. he probably just comes over hear for the easy pickings…

The Punic Wars were brutal indeed.

blub @52

“I think there is every possibility that the Democrats will overreach in over-investigations, too much spending and taxes, and by responding too much to their own primary voters on Iraq and not the public.”

Um.. what does investigatory oversight have to do with spending and taxes anyway.. in the shadow of the most profligate presidency in recent memory? Hehehe. Do even the rethugs believe their Dems are tax ‘an’ spend mantra anymore?

btw, OT but I was an American Airlines airport lounge at O’Hare yesterday and found that the free terminals aa funishes for business travellers were actually blocking firedoglake as “pornography”. Wonkette was also blocked, as was Moveon, truthout and Michaelmoore.com. No righty-stuff was blocked as far as I could tell. wtf?

ewwwwwww very scary indeed………..

punaise @ 199

rumor has it that Eli is a veteran of some legendary eschaton punzapaloozas. he probably just comes over hear for the easy pickings…

Aha!

It’s not just a rumor. I can *swear* about to that.

OK randy, it’s time to craft a brilliant EPU hoping to match Eli’s post.

Ahem. Western Civilization has been overreaching for many hundred years. Does that affect the current constitutional crises? Yes. Is that because the people within the system CAN’T see how the system is broken? Yes. Do you think looseheadprop understands the current constitutional crises? Yes. Do you think lhp has the right answer? NO, lhp JR. has the right answer, even if she can’t yet articulate it.

Does Eli have a clue? Yes. Does he have an idea about how blogging in the new open source journalism will create open source democracy? Yes. Does the MSM understand this powerful evolving concept? Who cares? (What the MSM thinks, anyways.)

Would James Joyce discuss this at the roundtable? Probably, he already did. Will this affect the results? Probably, it already has.

there are about 10 more investigations coming down the pike. this confrontation is going to happen sooner or later. even if the Democrats are as gutless as we all have come to expect. approval of congress is dropping again because people want this administration neutered. either the Democrats stand and fight or people will realize they are just useless tools for the right wing ideologues to use as they see fit. let’s get at it.

katherine graham cracker @ 196

From the reviews of the new emails it seems they don’t need Rove to testify
they can just have someone read his emails –Phillip Seymour Hoffman might be available

The WH refuses to release the documents, tapes or e-mails of Rove. Of course they said it more officially..

punaise @ 199

rumor has it that Eli is a veteran of some legendary eschaton punzapaloozas. he probably just comes over hear for the easy pickings…

You can pick your nose. You can pick your friends. But ya can’t pick your friends’ nose.

Mrs. K8 @ 194

Valley Girl –

Last time I looked, nobody had responded to my asking for advice in the “support” thread about how to get to the actual survey page.

Do you know if that’s changed?

Oh hell, I’m just being lazy. Guess I’ll run back down there and check.

I saw your question about survey problems, but was stumped. IRRC you use FF, as I do, and I didn’t have a problem. There was a server issue for a while… but that’s not much help. I haven’t upgraded to the latest version of FF. Do you have Java and Java script enabled? That’s all I can think of.

Bush statement: Democrats are being “partisan.”

Let the pearl-clutching commence.

Need I say, “Whitewater”?

dmac @ 203

blub @52

“I think there is every possibility that the Democrats will overreach in over-investigations, too much spending and taxes, and by responding too much to their own primary voters on Iraq and not the public.”

Um.. what does investigatory oversight have to do with spending and taxes anyway.. in the shadow of the most profligate presidency in recent memory? Hehehe. Do even the rethugs believe their Dems are tax ‘an’ spend mantra anymore?

btw, OT but I was an American Airlines airport lounge at O’Hare yesterday and found that the free terminals aa funishes for business travellers were actually blocking firedoglake as “pornography”. Wonkette was also blocked, as was Moveon, truthout and Michaelmoore.com. No righty-stuff was blocked as far as I could tell. wtf?

ewwwwwww very scary indeed………..

Hey, where’s our Public Relations Director?

Oh, Siun, Siun, where are you?

Somebody needs to give American Airlines a call, toot sweet, and give ‘em WHAT FOR.

It’a about Rove, and the GOP knows it.

BTW the old bluster routine was used more effectively by hitler in the 30’s when he occupied the Rhineland in opposition to the WWI agreements and then intervened in Spain. Most historians have said that had he been confronted earlier, the carnage of WWII would have been significantly milder. All that Bush lacks is a funny mustache.

Crazy Horse @ 205

OK randy, it’s time to craft a brilliant EPU hoping to match Eli’s post.

Ahem. Western Civilization has been overreaching for many hundred years. Does that affect the current constitutional crises? Yes. Is that because the people within the system CAN’T see how the system is broken? Yes. Do you think looseheadprop understands the current constitutional crises? Yes. Do you think lhp has the right answer? NO, lhp JR. has the right answer, even if she can’t yet articulate it.

Does Eli have a clue? Yes. Does he have an idea about how blogging in the new open source journalism will create open source democracy? Yes. Does the MSM understand this powerful evolving concept? Who cares? (What the MSM thinks, anyways.)

Would James Joyce discuss this at the roundtable? Probably, he already did. Will this affect the results? Probably, it already has.

Not to mention Dorothy Parker discussing it at the Algonquin.

ptrig @
136

I’m blushing.

ptrig, is that as in pfifltrig?

okay, down here in EPU land – but

I just looked at the vote to restore USA confirmation to the Senate – and personally, I was probably too wound up to note it’s significance earlier, but when in the hell was the last time 46 Reps. voted with the Dems ?!?!?!

now I know it’s about Senatorial pride, but this means there are some out there who are gonna hold a grudge over Abu – hope to goodness Leahy harnesses that

conniptionfit @ 209

punaise @ 199

rumor has it that Eli is a veteran of some legendary eschaton punzapaloozas. he probably just comes over hear for the easy pickings…

You can pick your nose. You can pick your friends. But ya can’t pick your friends’ nose.

707

O.T.

Fred Hiatt The Malkintents™ are attacking Sadly, Noes! server again. Teh basturds!

ot kindof=====

i just keep thinking that the historians are goin’ nuts right about now.

conniptionfit @ 208

punaise @ 199

rumor has it that Eli is a veteran of some legendary eschaton punzapaloozas. he probably just comes over hear for the easy pickings…

You can pick your nose. You can pick your friends. But ya can’t pick your friends’ nose.

Oddly enough, I’ve never heard that, although it DOES have the sound of a very old joke told in grade school.

Am I right?

p.s. — I’m stealing it.

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 215

O.T.

Fred Hiatt The Malkintents™ are attacking Sadly, Noes! server again. Teh basturds!

You can attack your sadlys. You can attack your noes…

conniptionfit @ 208

You can pick your nose. You can pick your friends. But ya can’t pick your friends’ nose.

you can tune a guitar, but you can’t tuna fish.

Could it be that my party, the Democratic Party, may yet make me feel proud all over?

newspaperbrat: Keep them Arnold stories coming! Spread them far & wide. I refuse to ever type president arnold again.

I think the Senate already cut Gonzo’s balls off today. That makes him useless.

Mrs. K8 @ 201

Can I swear on a copy of Cosmopolitan?

You can but your hand will stink of cheap perfume.

Gawddamnitall, Tweety needs to be slapped into next week.

He’s gone all stupid about the President’s “political henchman” not being called to testify.

Look, the “political henchman” shouldn’t be on my f*cking payroll if he doesn’t want to testify.

AARRRGGHHHH!!!!

Stephen Parrish, CPA @
42

looseheadprop @
26

Over reach is just recycling the Overzealous prosecutor slime they tried on PatFitz

lhp -

When time permits, please look at this United States Supreme Court case that patience mentioned two or three threads ago:

MCGRAIN v. DAUGHERTY, 273 U.S. 135 (1927)

Per Wikipedia:

Teapot Dome scandal

(snip)

The investigation led to a series of civil and criminal suits related to the scandal throughout the 1920s. Finally in 1927 the Supreme Court ruled that the oil leases had been corruptly obtained and invalidated the Elk Hills lease in February of that year and the Teapot lease in October of the same year. The Navy regained control of the Teapot Dome and Elk Hills reserves as a result of the Court’s decision. Another significant outcome was the Supreme Court case McGrain v. Daugherty which, for the first time, explicitly established Congress’ right to compel testimony.

(snip)

Serendipity.

Ask egregious what she found in the display case at Prettyman a few weeks back. Someone was trying to tell us something.

dmac @ 218

ot kindof=====

i just keep thinking that the historians are goin’ nuts right about now.

Well, of course.

They’ve ALREADY voted Georgie in as Worst Preznut Evah.

Now they’re gonna have to come up with an even MORE spectacular honor for Little Boots.

Shuster up on KO.

Oh, now Bush is “sorry for the U.S. Attorneys involved.”

So is that why his goons went public with the red herring that it was about the attorneys’ “poor performance”?

Evening firepups, and another great post Eli…

Echoes completely all my absolute frustration and rage about everything (pick synonym for evil) with Repubs, Repub talking points, stupid pundits, and absolutely stupid shameless lapdog media. That Ornstein quote especially: “…doing something is not just investigating perfidy and wrongdoing.” WTF??

And this AEI hack is called a “professional observer of Congress”? There is nothing professional in his bass-ackward logic. What the hell is his point? So he’s chastising the Dems for investigating perfidy (perfidy: “deliberate breach of faith; treachery”)? He’s attacking the Dems for not doing anything on the “policy front”? Like what the House didn’t do in its first 100 42 hours?

Tearing hair out…
Can’t. Take. Any. More.

I’m spotlighting the hell out of this. Hopefully at least KO will get it right tonight.

Mrs.K8, you can steal it, but be forwarned,if you do, they’ll tell you that they fell off their dinosaur laughing the last time they heard that!

conniptionfit @ 94

Do you really think we can get a republican woman to volunteer?

Who else but Michele Bachmann?

ptrig @ 224

Mrs. K8 @ 201

Can I swear on a copy of Cosmopolitan?

You can but your hand will stink of cheap perfume.

In the context of a discussion on tafetta-pulling and a b.j. for Little Lord Pissypants, I think that’s only appropriate.

And some people have a cheap perfume fetish. (Or so I’ve HEARD.)

;-)

conniptionfit @ 233

Mrs.K8, you can steal it, but be forwarned,if you do, they’ll tell you that they fell off their dinosaur laughing the last time they heard that!

or they might point out her mother wears army boots.

conniptionfit @ 209

You can pick your nose. You can pick your friends. But ya can’t pick your friends’ nose.

But I can pick my daughter’s nose.

zig alert

Overreach vs reach around.
I can’t wait til Jon Stewart sinks his teeth into this one.

my mother (in CA) always refers to him as swart-zinger.

neurophius @ 229

Oh, now Bush is “sorry for the U.S. Attorneys involved.”

So is that why his goons went public with the red herring that it was about the attorneys’ “poor performance”?

And threats to “humiliate” them even further if they talk (”the gloves come off”).

Yup. That’s the way to show true contrition.

Hi Rayne,
I’ve been reading your good words all over the place today.

Thanks, Fiyero! I hope *someone* picks up on it. That was the main reason I was excited about posting here: The idea that if I should ever actually get something right, that more than 20 people would read it.

punaise @ 237

zig alert

sorry – accidental button-push!

Alicia @ 233

conniptionfit @ 94

Do you really think we can get a republican woman to volunteer?

Who else but Michele Bachmann?

I’d give money to see the look on Liddy Doles’ face if she knew we were volunteering her for the “honor”! Snicker.

As usual, this story is about to become a story about Rove and Meirs testifying, rather than the story itself.

ccmask @ 228

Shuster up on KO.

Yikes!

I was having so much FUN here, I forgot what time it was!

OK, teevee goes on STAT.

ccmask @ 242

As usual, this story is about to become a story about Rove and Meirs testifying, rather than the story itself.

I would prefer a story about their actual testimony.

Punaise tries to contain babble-on.

HotFlash @ 216

ptrig @
136

I’m blushing.

ptrig, is that as in pfifltrig?

Nah, it’s an abbreviation for the short lived South Carolina punk band Picasso Trigger. An old trivia handle.

Also works well with my Christian name, Patrick.

Oh dear! Bus time.

New thread from Jane.

Valley Girl @ 245

Punaise tries to contain babble-on.

By smoking the zigs?

conniptionfit @ 231

Mrs.K8, you can steal it, but be forwarned,if you do, they’ll tell you that they fell off their dinosaur laughing the last time they heard that!

As long as the dino is named “TRex” I’m cool with it.

:-)

Elliott @ 242

Howdy, Elliott! Been busy today, that’s for sure!! How’s things in your neck of the woods?

[snip]

Eli @
87

This Old Brit @ 83

Overreach? Well, I hope I’m wrong but how’s this for overreach?

Iran Attack In April?

That sounds like a good time to roll out the new spring war.

There is a Biblical quote about this from 2 Samuel 11:1, and also 1 Chronicles 20:1 (NIV),

In the spring, at the time when kings go off to war. . .

Have times changed?

Bob in HI

ok kiddo at 68

Where are all the ‘old timers’? I’m lonely. ;0)

you crack me up

Mrs. K8 @ 212

Somebody needs to give American Airlines a call, toot sweet, and give ‘em WHAT FOR.

Yeah, screenshots are disabled since you can’t save to their drive on those terminals, but the next time I’m at O’Hare I’ll bring along a camera and take a picture of the blocking screen. I’m sure other FDLers use AA’s club services in other cities, so be sure to check where you are. Maybe this is just some rethug local manager in Chicago taking the initiative and not some company policy…

ccmask @ 245

As usual, this story is about to become a story about Rove and Meirs testifying, rather than the story itself.

I believe the facts will show that these U.S. Attorneys were fired for very bad reasons…and Rove was the moving force behind the whole thing.

There is a prison cell out there with Rove’s name on it.

Eli @ 250

Valley Girl @ 245

Punaise tries to contain babble-on.

By smoking the zigs?

there you go, blunt again. :~)

New Hamsher above

Her Janeness Upstairs

Oklahoma kiddo @ 224

Could it be that my party, the Democratic Party, may yet make me feel proud all over?

Now wouldn’t such a thing cheer us all up?

ptrig @ 236

conniptionfit @ 209

You can pick your nose. You can pick your friends. But ya can’t pick your friends’ nose.

But I can pick my daughter’s nose.

Ya better hope that she’s under the age (3yrs) of consent! You don’t want her remembering this when you’re old an’ feeble!

Rayne @ 254

Elliott @ 242

Howdy, Elliott! Been busy today, that’s for sure!! How’s things in your neck of the woods?

Springy!

conniptionfit @ 259

ptrig @ 236

But I can pick my daughter’s nose.

Ya better hope that she’s under the age (3yrs) of consent! You don’t want her remembering this when you’re old an’ feeble!

In which case, it probably goes both ways, too…

and way off topic==
but has anyone else noticed the shoulder pads that they started inserting into gw’s suits around 2001????????????????

very noticable today in press conference…………

my mom used to call them power pads back when they inserted them into women’s suits around 89

dmac @ 265

and way off topic==
but has anyone else noticed the shoulder pads that they started inserting into gw’s suits around 2001????????????????

very noticable today in press conference…………

my mom used to call them power pads back when they inserted them into women’s suits around 89

Yeah, but KO’s got ‘em all beat!

dmac @ 262

and way off topic==
but has anyone else noticed the shoulder pads that they started inserting into gw’s suits around 2001????????????????

very noticable today in press conference…………

my mom used to call them power pads back when they inserted them into women’s suits around 89

Of course, when Maximum Leader is wearing them, they need a more impressive name. I wish I could think of something…

According to wiki, both of Gonzales’s parents were children of immigrants from Mexico with less than a high-school education themselves; in the midst of a national debate in the US about immigration from Mexico, Gonzales told Wolf Blitzer on CNN that no immigration documentation exists for three of his grandparents and they may have entered and resided in the United States illegally.
and
In 1977, he transferred to Rice University, where he was a member of Lovett College and earned a degree in political science in 1979; he never completed the remaining 2 years of his USAF obligation;

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 258

I think we need to be careful to position this story in the right way too:– presidential-grade rethugs tried to use the power and influence of their office to influence investigations in ways that hurt their political enemies (us) and help their own people, and when public officials (US Attorneys) refused to play along, they destroyed their careers. This is not (and should not be) about the president’s abuse of his pleasure in hiring and firing appointees.. its a Nixonian conspiracy, no better than breaking into your opponent’s campaign offices and looting it for files and tapes.

Blub @ 270

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 258

I think we need to be careful to position this story in the right way too:– presidential-grade rethugs tried to use the power and influence of their office to influence investigations in ways that hurt their political enemies (us) and help their own people, and when public officials (US Attorneys) refused to play along, they destroyed their careers. This is not (and should not be) about the president’s abuse of his pleasure in hiring and firing appointees.. its a Nixonian conspiracy, no better than breaking into your opponent’s campaign offices and looting it for files and tapes.

In fact, I would go as far as to tie this to the Plame affair. It’s the same thing… discredit people who disagree with you, and if they don’t shut up and go away, destroy their lives.

I wish Tweety would stop with the hero-worship every time Bush has a “I’m mean I’m tough and I don’t havta go take a nap if I don’t wanta” tantrum.
Yuck.

mrs k8

Um, what?

The meaning of the universe?

“42

too funny

1,461 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..

HEY FIREPUPS…WHAT’S UP WITH “WORD PRESS”…I CAN’T GET INTO THE PROXIMAL THREAD, I KEEP GETTIN’ A WORD PRESS ERROR MESSAGE

So, Democrats are being warned against “over-reaching” even in the face of gratuitous and graphic “over-reaching” by the “culture of corruption” Bush administration?

In other words, Democrats are being warned against applying the RULE OF LAW when confronted with the gross negligence and outright criminality of everyone in the Bush administration.

Democrats should just keep repeating that they are following the RULES OF LAW while attempting to get to the bottom of everything the “Party of Corruption” Republicans have been doing in defiance of our Constitution and the RULE OF LAW, in pursuit of their evil one-party monopolism of our democracy.

Eli @ 268

dmac @ 262

and way off topic==
but has anyone else noticed the shoulder pads that they started inserting into gw’s suits around 2001????????????????

very noticable today in press conference…………

my mom used to call them power pads back when they inserted them into women’s suits around 89

Of course, when Maximum Leader is wearing them, they need a more impressive name. I wish I could think of something…

maxi-pads?

dmac 262:

Very interesting and observation. Monty Roberts (horse whisperer) describes this perfectly. When you want to be alpha, you make your shoulders large and square and face the horse (to psyche out the horse into thinking you are the herd leader). Then, you collapse your shoulders and back off (to make you appear smaller) to entice the horse to dare to approach you. By skillfully alternating these physical messages to the horse, you can eventually get the horse to “join up” with you. Then, it will follow you everywhere, you are in control and can then proceed with its further training. Works every time. Although we would not like to believe it, humans are no different. Maybe he read Monty’s book before he read My Pet Goat!

BTW. When someone challenges the “herd leader”, but isn’t perceived by the “herd” as the the herd leader, they usually get their ass kicked (literally). In the situation where the herd leader really believes it is the herd leader and won’t “join up” and only wants to fight… Wow..What to do? Untrainable? Hint: The trainer (fake herd leader) controls the food and water. The lead mare usually controls when each individual herd member can eat or drink. It controls the territory. When the challenger gets restless and hungry, it gives in to the fake herd leader for its perceived survival, and then the challenger backs down and joins up. It is not “law” as we see it, but it is a kind of natural “law” of survival.

werl ididn’t know that about horses.appreciated.

mods.different problems from norsk and airline.page unavailable comes after commenting on a post as well as several other postings.is this to save servers or outside interference?

you could prob get people to give you money for
packs of cards w visual definition on front.then succinct terse role(w connections)on back.who will be comical ali?or one pack for each discrete case.someone must know how to have it done with fun cheap as chips.(recycled card)(Which individuals have copyright on their own image?)if they are made to not last forever then collecting sets in.the erratic and/or nodal distribution exists.
I’m ramblng.ignore at will,but really really large lumps of money means my idea has .01% after tax.he he. also no disnifabludycation.
not too sure how to take this ommercial-in-con(con)fidence intellectual bizzo.nuff said.