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		<title>By: Sachem515</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/19/the-agony-of-defeat/#comment-570294</link>
		<dc:creator>Sachem515</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Since I’m getting a kudo from LHP, I’d like to repost my comment from Letter to Pelosi.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-569676&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;looseheadprop @&lt;br /&gt;
                83              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-569649&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sachem515 @ 55&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
We all go round and round on all of this evidence.  No one doubted that Al Capone was a murderer, even though his conviction was for tax evasion.  Given the political implications of  the impeachment proceedings, especially  during “wartime”, the most linear path should be pursued, one where the executive prerogatives aren’t the issue.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rather, it is the “unitary executive” concept that must fall, whether or not the office holders do or not.  This is ultimately what we owe those who struggled before us and those who will follow.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It appears that Gonzo and GeeDubya obstructed justice when they blocked the DoJ Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) clearances for the NSA wiretapping investigation.  This may turn out to be the cleanest, most direct case for impeachment.  We will all learn more if and when Gonzo answers the &lt;a href=&quot;http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/pdf/ltr_031507_Gonzales.pdf&quot;&gt;letter&lt;/a&gt; from Senators Durbin Kennedy Feingold and Schumer regarding the timelines.  Here we have the reason why oversight can protect the executive.  If the proper congressional briefings had occurred, and FISA had been followed, they were covered.  But by declaring themselves above the law, and wrapped in “national security during wartime” bovine manure, they have left themselves open.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Expect a 5-4 decision in favor of Leahy et al from SCOTUS on executive privilege.  Ah the irony of it all as the cherry blossoms bloom.&lt;br /&gt;
———&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You are a very wise Sachem. Very wise. I agree with you.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If smoking guns contiue to become visible all over DC, and in &lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/19/carol-lam-white-house/&quot;&gt; San Diego&lt;/a&gt;, we should expect the conflict in Iran to begin.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How do we stop them?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;And&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-570060&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;JF @ 72&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-570056&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sachem515 @ 69&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
There are times when reading the blogs is inspiring, times when it is frustrating, and times when &lt;a href=&quot;http://roxanne.typepad.com/rantrave/images/enw30war1.jpg&quot;&gt;tears flow freely and without warning&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From Pandagon&lt;br /&gt;
———&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was not prepared for that.&lt;br /&gt;
———&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Roxanne says this image was taken in context of the story &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,SS_042904_Baghdad,00.html&quot;&gt; 	 ‘It Wasn’t Supposed to Go Like This’&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For me this image is instantly iconic, like the one of the naked VietNamese girl running down the road toward the camera.  Unnecessary human suffering to feed criminal narcisstic egos.  I’ve had enough.  How about you all?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;[Mod Note; please be careful with mutiple quoted quotes, thanks]&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Since I’m getting a kudo from LHP, I’d like to repost my comment from Letter to Pelosi.</p>
<p><a href="#comment-569676"><em>looseheadprop @<br />
                83              </em></a><br />
<a href="#comment-569649"><em>Sachem515 @ 55</em></a><br />
We all go round and round on all of this evidence.  No one doubted that Al Capone was a murderer, even though his conviction was for tax evasion.  Given the political implications of  the impeachment proceedings, especially  during “wartime”, the most linear path should be pursued, one where the executive prerogatives aren’t the issue.</p>
<p>Rather, it is the “unitary executive” concept that must fall, whether or not the office holders do or not.  This is ultimately what we owe those who struggled before us and those who will follow.</p>
<p>It appears that Gonzo and GeeDubya obstructed justice when they blocked the DoJ Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) clearances for the NSA wiretapping investigation.  This may turn out to be the cleanest, most direct case for impeachment.  We will all learn more if and when Gonzo answers the <a href="http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/pdf/ltr_031507_Gonzales.pdf">letter</a> from Senators Durbin Kennedy Feingold and Schumer regarding the timelines.  Here we have the reason why oversight can protect the executive.  If the proper congressional briefings had occurred, and FISA had been followed, they were covered.  But by declaring themselves above the law, and wrapped in “national security during wartime” bovine manure, they have left themselves open.</p>
<p>Expect a 5-4 decision in favor of Leahy et al from SCOTUS on executive privilege.  Ah the irony of it all as the cherry blossoms bloom.<br />
———</p>
<p>You are a very wise Sachem. Very wise. I agree with you.</p>
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<p>If smoking guns contiue to become visible all over DC, and in <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/19/carol-lam-white-house/"> San Diego</a>, we should expect the conflict in Iran to begin.</p>
<p>How do we stop them?</p>
<blockquote><p>And<br />
<a href="#comment-570060"><em>JF @ 72</em></a><br />
<a href="#comment-570056"><em>Sachem515 @ 69</em></a><br />
There are times when reading the blogs is inspiring, times when it is frustrating, and times when <a href="http://roxanne.typepad.com/rantrave/images/enw30war1.jpg">tears flow freely and without warning</a>.</p>
<p>From Pandagon<br />
———</p>
<p>I was not prepared for that.<br />
———</p>
<p>Roxanne says this image was taken in context of the story <a href="http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,SS_042904_Baghdad,00.html"> 	 ‘It Wasn’t Supposed to Go Like This’</a></p>
<p>For me this image is instantly iconic, like the one of the naked VietNamese girl running down the road toward the camera.  Unnecessary human suffering to feed criminal narcisstic egos.  I’ve had enough.  How about you all?</p>
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<p><em>[Mod Note; please be careful with mutiple quoted quotes, thanks]</em></p>
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		<title>By: Badwater</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/19/the-agony-of-defeat/#comment-570285</link>
		<dc:creator>Badwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“more and more people Not Named Bush who will be sacrificed”.  I wonder why this doesn’t bother more and more people.  The MSM won’t even ask Bush or his Admin why no Bush is willing to serve.  I’m glad to see it mentioned here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“more and more people Not Named Bush who will be sacrificed”.  I wonder why this doesn’t bother more and more people.  The MSM won’t even ask Bush or his Admin why no Bush is willing to serve.  I’m glad to see it mentioned here.</p>
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		<title>By: Madison Guy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/19/the-agony-of-defeat/#comment-570278</link>
		<dc:creator>Madison Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Hey, why so negative?&lt;/b&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://letterfromhere.blogspot.com/2007/03/four-years-of-war-in-microcosm.html&quot;&gt;Four years of war in microcosm:&lt;/a&gt; Things are getting better and better. The President said so just today.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Hey, why so negative?</b> <a href="http://letterfromhere.blogspot.com/2007/03/four-years-of-war-in-microcosm.html">Four years of war in microcosm:</a> Things are getting better and better. The President said so just today.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/19/the-agony-of-defeat/#comment-570237</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How to end the war.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No more funding authorizations without the bill containing a statement that it will be specifically funded directly from tax increases on the Top 5% of income earners and corporations.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ditto “Homeland Security” Expenses.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Republicans will have to support the war by cutting the purses of those that have not only made the least sacrifices in this war…but have gained the most from the flagrant war-profiteering and profit-taking relating to contracts that have been paidfor by the average American and future generations!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to end the war.</p>
<p>No more funding authorizations without the bill containing a statement that it will be specifically funded directly from tax increases on the Top 5% of income earners and corporations.</p>
<p>Ditto “Homeland Security” Expenses.</p>
<p>The Republicans will have to support the war by cutting the purses of those that have not only made the least sacrifices in this war…but have gained the most from the flagrant war-profiteering and profit-taking relating to contracts that have been paidfor by the average American and future generations!</p>
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		<title>By: Maddy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/19/the-agony-of-defeat/#comment-570225</link>
		<dc:creator>Maddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;KEEP THE FAITH, GOD IS DIRECTING THE CONGRESS NOW!!&lt;b&gt; NorskeFlamethrower&lt;/b&gt; says&lt;br /&gt;
March 19th, 2007 at 12:39 pm&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which god?  hasn’t he in his various interpretations gummed up the works for long enough. You got your christian, muslin, jewish, moonie, scientologist, morman, bahai.. and on and on and on. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who is riding shotgun on the stagecoach of life today, nothing personal in this..just sayin’&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KEEP THE FAITH, GOD IS DIRECTING THE CONGRESS NOW!!<b> NorskeFlamethrower</b> says<br />
March 19th, 2007 at 12:39 pm</p>
<p>Which god?  hasn’t he in his various interpretations gummed up the works for long enough. You got your christian, muslin, jewish, moonie, scientologist, morman, bahai.. and on and on and on. </p>
<p>Who is riding shotgun on the stagecoach of life today, nothing personal in this..just sayin’</p>
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		<title>By: dude</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/19/the-agony-of-defeat/#comment-570211</link>
		<dc:creator>dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-570144&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;things come undone @&lt;br /&gt;
                145              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It’s time to break Haliburton the congress should withold payment until all of Haliburtron’s “problems” over charging the government are fixed. Wether its food service or water purification HAL has its equipment there our troops can liberate the equipment and supplies and run it themselves much more cheaply. Lets see if HAL’s desire to get paid, is greater than their fear of embarrasing cheney if they confess to overcharging the government. Then lets put a PATRIOTIC AMERICA  1% profit margin on all military contracts for as long as the war lasts. Surprise the GOP with the bill hold the line and refuse to provide ANY WAR FUNDING until the bill is passed. The news will sink the stocks of all the war proffiters before they have a chance to get out. I wonder how much it would hurt bush/cheney?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think this is a splendid idea. Support the troops with lots of money, but make the contractors perform rigorously if they expect to see dime one. Mr. Waxman and Mr. Murtha should talk to Ms Pelosi.   And while there in her office, push the impeachment button too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-570144"><em>things come undone @<br />
                145              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>It’s time to break Haliburton the congress should withold payment until all of Haliburtron’s “problems” over charging the government are fixed. Wether its food service or water purification HAL has its equipment there our troops can liberate the equipment and supplies and run it themselves much more cheaply. Lets see if HAL’s desire to get paid, is greater than their fear of embarrasing cheney if they confess to overcharging the government. Then lets put a PATRIOTIC AMERICA  1% profit margin on all military contracts for as long as the war lasts. Surprise the GOP with the bill hold the line and refuse to provide ANY WAR FUNDING until the bill is passed. The news will sink the stocks of all the war proffiters before they have a chance to get out. I wonder how much it would hurt bush/cheney?</p>
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<p>I think this is a splendid idea. Support the troops with lots of money, but make the contractors perform rigorously if they expect to see dime one. Mr. Waxman and Mr. Murtha should talk to Ms Pelosi.   And while there in her office, push the impeachment button too.</p>
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		<title>By: mc</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/19/the-agony-of-defeat/#comment-570188</link>
		<dc:creator>mc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-570125&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;perris @ 131 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-570118&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;mc @ 124&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
My prediction:  Gonzales out, Lieberman in by the end of the week.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;maybe not by the end of the week but I think your pick is right if it happens so you get the perverbial;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ding ding ding ding&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Believe me, that’s one ding ding ding ding I do not want. You know, because my contempt for Joe Lieberman exceeds the bounds of the known universe.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-570125"><em>perris @ 131 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-570118"><em>mc @ 124</em></a></p>
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My prediction:  Gonzales out, Lieberman in by the end of the week.
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<p>maybe not by the end of the week but I think your pick is right if it happens so you get the perverbial;</p>
<p>ding ding ding ding</p>
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<p>Believe me, that’s one ding ding ding ding I do not want. You know, because my contempt for Joe Lieberman exceeds the bounds of the known universe.</p>
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		<title>By: TiredFed</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/19/the-agony-of-defeat/#comment-570185</link>
		<dc:creator>TiredFed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and I got punaise to issue forth. always a treat!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and I got punaise to issue forth. always a treat!</p>
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		<title>By: TiredFed</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/19/the-agony-of-defeat/#comment-570182</link>
		<dc:creator>TiredFed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-570131&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;carmen @ 135 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Rehabilitate or restore the Bush legacy?  You mean Prescott and his pro-nazi past, or George Sr. and his CIA shenanigans that cost thousands their lives?  When congress turns over Bush Jr.’s Nov. 01 executive order making it almost impossible to look at Poppy’s records, we’re going to see justice and truth applied to the Bush Legacy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;my new pet theory is that Republicans are Tories. yes, Tories. 18th Century Tories. Royalists without a King. Well, now they have one!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-570131"><em>carmen @ 135 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Rehabilitate or restore the Bush legacy?  You mean Prescott and his pro-nazi past, or George Sr. and his CIA shenanigans that cost thousands their lives?  When congress turns over Bush Jr.’s Nov. 01 executive order making it almost impossible to look at Poppy’s records, we’re going to see justice and truth applied to the Bush Legacy.</p>
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<p>my new pet theory is that Republicans are Tories. yes, Tories. 18th Century Tories. Royalists without a King. Well, now they have one!</p>
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		<title>By: perris</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/19/the-agony-of-defeat/#comment-570178</link>
		<dc:creator>perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/03/19/toensing-applauds-the-exposure-of-a-covert-officer/&quot;&gt;upstairs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/03/19/toensing-applauds-the-exposure-of-a-covert-officer/">upstairs</a></p>
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