
Above: A Blathering of Chickenhawks
So we posted this piece over at Sadly, No! last night, and our right-wing pals found it strongly not to their liking. We knew this when our server locked up.
The DDOS attack launched on us was especially interesting in light of the following credo in the Gathering of Eagles Mission Statement:
We believe in and would give our lives for the precious freedoms found in our Constitution. We believe that our freedom of speech is one of the greatest things our country espouses, and we absolutely hold that any American citizen has the right to express his or her approval or disapproval with any policy, law, or action of our nation and her government in a peaceful manner as afforded by the laws of our land.
We don’t yet know who was behind the attack (it seems unlikely that the hit was ordered by Fred Hiatt and his Washington Post Thugz-4-Eva Posse), but life showed again that it is rich with ironies.
On the plus side, apparent orchestrated cyber-crime makes us feel really big and important. We felt so full of ourselves today that we asked TRex to let us post the piece at FDL where a whole lot more people can see it!
Rock on, TRex!
Anatomy Of A Con Job
As we know, opinion against the war in Iraq, and against President Bush, now stands at between 60 and 70 percent in America. If you’re a right-wing authoritarian follower, how do you continue to prop up the necessary belief that you represent a silent majority of downtrodden patriots, and that someday a real rain will come and wash the scum off the streets?
Luckily, there are people out there to do that thinking for you.

Above: Right-wing astroturfer Larry Bailey
Step One: Invent a phony threat — for instance, to the Vietnam War Memorial:
As a Vietnam veteran, and suffering through fox-hole combat, and knowing what the anti-war movement did to America and to my morale of me and the morale other troops during the Vietnam era, the thought of elements of those same vile and vicious people attempting to resurrect their venom and use the Vietnam Memorial Wall as a proxy was intolerable. My view was it must be challenged, and in short it cannot happen. The current anti-war movement is no different than the Vietnam era group, in fact many current participants are the same people who were involved in the 60s and 70s. They lie, deceive, distort, damage, desecrate, spit on our military, curse, hurl insults, and dishonor not only historical sites but hallowed ground if given the opportunity.
Step Two: Create a fake-nonpartisan campaign to 'protect' the memorial from the vile and vicious spitters-on and desecrators-of, who are converging on DC in a mammoth hippie tidal wave:

1. Gathering of Eagles is non-partisan. While each member has his or her own political beliefs, our common love and respect for America and her heroes is what brings us together.
Actually, they’re about as non-partisan as this. Note the Vets For The Truth address through which contributions are funneled:
Please send checks or money orders to:
Vets for the Truth
ATTN: Gathering of Eagles
PO Box 291
Chocowinity, NC 27817
And note, as well, the enthusiastic pre-publicity from commentators such as Michelle Malkin:
SAYING NO! TO CINDY
A GATHERING OF EAGLES TO MARCH FOR AMERICAHow many times have you sat in front of the TV over the last four years, watching anti-war activists march on Washington, chase the ROTC off your local college campus, vandalize war memorials, insult the troops and wreak havoc under the surrender banner? How many times have you thought to yourself: What can I do?
As your planning continues, begin referring to all supporters as veterans regardless of whether they’ve ever served in the military. This makes it look like it’s a rally of non-partisan veterans — which is altogether much better, and much more likely to be taken seriously by the media, than a rally of Republican zealots frightened that the zeitgeist is escaping them.
Also be sure to stir up the Freeper beehive, because a Freeper will fall for anything if you slap a flag on it — let alone a flag, an eagle, and the word, ‘troops.’
Serious Media Inquiries: Kristinn Taylor

Above: Taylor, national spokesman of Free Republic
Join forces with other phony-nonpartisan groups:

Above: The inimitable Move America Forward Foundation
At last the day arrives. Have a bunch of people stand around heckling war protesters for a few hours:





Step Three: Declare victory! The Vietnam Memorial was saved!
A pure, grass-roots effort, the Gathering of Eagles, volunteers matched the massive Soros-funded anti-war machine sign for sign, chant for chant, and marcher for marcher. The contrast was most stark right before the entrance to the Memorial Bridge, where Eagles gathered with a field of American flags–while anti-Bush, 9/11 conspiracy nuts wrapped themselves in a figurative blanket of yellow “Out of Iraq” placards. Several of the vets shouted, “Yellow! How appropriate!” in between spirited chants of “U.S.A! U.S.A!” While the classless Cindy Sheehan ranted profanely, the Eagles raised their voices in polite, but roaring disapproval and raised their American flags in answer to the ANSWER socialists’ Che banners and peace pennants.
America was strengthened:
When history is written, March 17th, 2007 will at long last eclipse March 17, 1967, as the day when soldiers in faraway Iraq and Afghanistan knew for certain, no matter what real time saw them doing, love and respect await their safe return. The day when it was proven to a watching world that Washington war memorials stand for what they always stood for, time immemorial, the day when the graves of fallen American soldiers the world were warmer.
Never again will America's brave warriors and their cause be abandoned and the people our country has pledged to liberate be left to perish at the hands of tyrants. Those days are most definitely over.
Whilst enjoying the afterglow, make up a jaw-dropping unofficial attendance figure, for instance that 30,000 heroes stood up for America against the dirty-hippie communist menace — of whom there wasn’t really a mammoth tidal wave after all, which also equals a victory.
What an outstanding day! The Eagles soared! You should be very proud of your fellow veterans, families, and supporters. There’s so much to tell, and we encourage you to post your experiences in the the comments. In the meantime, two items of business:1) we have a gallery open for you to upload your digital photos to the website. That way you can share your photos with others. See the tab in the top right corner of the site.
2) the first unofficial estimate of the Eagle turn-out today…
30,000!
That figure may be adjusted upward as more figure are tallied during the week. Fox News reported today that the anti-war protesters had significantly less than they expected. However, they are erroneously reporting that the Eagles were there in “equal numbers”. The truth is that we outnumbered them by at least three to one!
Go farther! Here Michelle Malkin claims without any evidence that it’s an official number (emphasis added):
Blogburst: Gathering of Eagles–30,000 strong
By Michelle Malkin***Update: Kit at Gathering of Eagles reports on the National Park Service estimate of the GoE turnout: 30,000 strong. The silent majority no more.***
That’s certainly true about the ‘silent majority no more,’ only not in the way she’s claiming. Here’s Brent Bozell’s Newsbusters:
Gathering of Eagles (GoE): An Indicator of Old Media Decline
Gathering of Eagles’ web site reports that they were told by the National Park Service that their GoE estimate is …..
is …..
30,000
GoE’s site is also saying that the protester counts being reported elsewhere were 5,000 to 10,000 (the Times reported “thousands” and WaPo said “several thousand,”but both papers acknowledged that the protester turnout was much lower than at a similar event in January).
Remember not to check the original source: Citing AmericaPundit who cites FreedomWarrior who cites someone else citing three other people who cite what Michelle Malkin says about what the GoE site says, is what they mean by ‘the self-correcting blogosphere.’ If it weren’t true, someone would have said so.
Anyone who is not a dirty hippie should be thrilled by the turnout. I figured a few thousand people would show up, not 30,000. This is an estimate from the National Park Service, not from the GoE organization.It’s a testament of rational people trying to take the country back. The sad part is that most of the press was given to the psychotic, immoral moonbats there protesting the war.
Also, if other published figures contradict the 30,000-heroes one, don’t forget to keep up a constant drone of indignant complaint about the biased liberal MSM, because they super-lie about everything with gigantic crazy lies, just for the sake of dragging America down. Malkin updates:
***Update March 18, 2007 1:30am: The NYTimes lies…***
Pure bullcrap. Yup, the journalistic standard-bearers of the NYTimes relied on “several veterans of the antiwar movement” to give them crowd estimates of the Gathering of Eagles. It’s the domestic equivalent of MSMers relying on dubious Iraqi stringers to provide them with war coverage while they sit in their comfy Green Zone offices in D.C. and Manhattan.
Don’t believe the MSM — either their lying by entirely omitting any mention of the numbers of people attending the Gathering of Eagles, or their deliberate playing down of the numbers who did come. The Parks and Service people counted thirty thousand patriots gathered to protect the Wall.
So what else is new, except in this case their lies are more than usually blatant in favor of their personal agenda. The National Park Service’s first estimate of the turnout of Eagles is, wait for it: 30000.
Say guys, I heard some hippies are threatening to desecrate various locations in and around Baghdad. Why don’t the 30,000 of y’all surge on over?
…Hey wait, where did everybody go?
Update: No such Park Service, ‘Parks Service,’ or ‘Parks and Service’ estimate has appeared in any form, apparently because the National Park Service no longer estimates the size of crowds at public events. No publicly available photo on the Web — although please correct us if we’re wrong — shows more than a couple of hundred pro-war demonstrators in any place at any time.
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ZED? JANE!
zed?
Hey! Wahoo, my first Zed! I’m so proud! I’d like to thank my mother…
I can see why the wingers are a tad upset.
Great job!
Hello, Gavin!
I knew GoE had succeeded in catapulting the propaganda when I saw the Saturday morning FuxSnooze-bot at the scene say that the GoEs had exceeded the anti-war demonstrators.
Sadly, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
btw, the National Park Service “crowd estimating” was discontinued during the Nixon Administration.
TRex, thanks for inviting your friends over tonite!
Kristinn looks like a dude!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
They’re probably form the Charlie Daniels Message Board. What a bunch of knuckle-dragging Cleti.
Such diversity in their ranks, too!
congrats, conniptionprofit!
[sighs]
Hey Pups – set your TIVOs. BIG HANK on Charlie Rose tonight. Starts at 11:30 on the east coast
Sometime I’d like to see snippets of what the flying monkeys try to say on our site. I am thinking that would be a fun job for TRex some evening when he can’t think of what to write about.
Nice news laundering on the part of the right wing sissies.
The National Park Service’s first estimate of the turnout of Eagles is, wait for it: 30000.
I call that a surge!
I’m sure they all rushed right down to the local recruiting office right after the protest and enlisted. Operation Yellow Elephant!
Great work, Gavin.
Fox and company do it again – invent a strawman and declare victory. Is anyone besides the wingnuts buying this crap anymore?
OT Hey Teddy- I am now on “Lieberliar radio address” patrol. Nope. Nothing new. Interesting.
oh yeah Teddy !- several are walking upright and some even have opposable thumbs :)
More than 3,000 pages of documents? Dumped on a Monday night? Can’t wait to see what’s in there.
I had just finished reading it over at Sadly, No! when I came over here to find it reposted.
Very, very funny. And sad. The Fraggle Rock/Chumbawumba mash-up was fantastic, btw. Rock. (For those of you who haven’t seen it, head over to Sadly, No! and check it out.)
The best part is of course the motivating belief that somehow, the anti-war protesters were planning to do an unspecified “something” to the Wall. Huh? Because the best way to prove that you’re against the war in Iraq and the deaths it’s caused is to desecrate a monument whose most prominent feature is a list of the dead from the last war of monumental policy failure.
Has anyone else found it ironic that the ones so bound and determined to defend the memorial are probably the ones who most likely hated it when its design was revealed?
100% irony-free, this lot is …
The pro-war crowd launched their cross-country vigil and had a small success last week here in the Bay Area: the names of the war dead are being removed from Crosses of Lafayette.
Valley Girl @ 18
It’s as if the DNC has stopped posting on the topic completely, after RGJoe got his turn. Odd, eh?
TeddySanFran @ 8
Isn’t Gavin wonderful?
I just spent the last few hours sawing through the brake cables in his girlfriend’s car.
See Kirk, there I wuz, doin’ my “church lady dance”, an’ now I feel like I stole yer popcicle! Sorry, bro.
conniptionprofit -
I’m cheering your church lady dance!
(Was just trying to mock my obsession with the zed.
I’ve been working, I’ve been trainin’…)
Ha ha ha ha ha!
(Teddy- I think the park service was still doing estimates in the 1990’s but had stopped by the time of the million man march.)
Truth has a well known liberal bias.
Colbert.
I guess this makes the opposite equally true?
TeddySanFran @ 23
Maybe you managed to shut down the radio address server ;) But, it is odd, I agree. I will keep checking.
Graffiti on the Capitol steps… http://flickr.com/photos/spcoo…..ateposted/
…this is what a group of “Freepin’ Ditto-Idiots” are wetting themselves over?
Found an interesting thread over at freere on a tip.
Wondering who did the 1984 video”?
I won’t link but go to freere*****.com/focus/f-news/1798904/posts
Interesting that the date is Mar. 10th
Hope I typed this out right. Google is fun.
kirk murphy @
26
TeddySanFran @
22
Saw that too on the news the other nite….
Very sad….
Makes me wonder how far this movement will push their agenda considering all those signs with those ugly words filled with hatred listed on this post….
Wiki-
After the Million Man March, the Park Police decided to discontinue providing official crowd estimates.
Now that was wierd. My comment on your comment was supposed to be: Who is this conniptionPROfit you speak of?
Am I late for the barbecue?
Off to bed, with visions of an out-of-work Abu dancing in my head…g’night all!
conniptionfit @ 32
oops – multitasking on this end with insufficient processing power.
sorry about that.
Nope. Plenty of corn to be had here!
I was at a gathering of Eagles once, I think. It was a gathering of some kind of bird, anyway and one of them ruined my hat which, in retrospect, I am very glad I was wearing.
Gavin M. @ 36
GAVIN!!
*big squeeze*
*hands you a Bass ale*
Welcome, Gavin!
Just watching Jon and his guest on the Daily Show discussing Religious Literacy. That’s a test Duncan Hunter would fail…heard him earlier on Hardball [unchallenged by Tweety] pontificate that Al Qaeda were attacking the Sunni.
Psssst, Duncan. Al Qaeda are Sunni.
Don’t confuse the righties with reality. I know, I know….
Go Watch Stem Cell Research and NIH with Harkin — it’s a repeat from today.
sheesh.
go away pukes.
http://inside.c-spanarchives.o…..=551325532
Why was goe not on the Colbert Report?
TeddySanFran @ 22
OK, now here’s what I find objectionable about the notion of “removing the names” because the families or friends don’t think memorial sites like Lafayette have a right to use them:
Why can I, a fellow citizen, not mourn the fact that “Private Smith” is dead? Why can I not mourn the fact that this dead fellow citizen of mine is now unable to contribute to the amazing organic structure which is American society? Why can’t I be full of sorrow over the loss of what would have been Private Smith’s future contributions to the world? Even if that contribution was unknown?
Do we or do we not believe that every person is uniquely valuable? If you say you believe that, don’t you also believe that I can be full of sorrow over the loss of that unique individual?
This bugs me.
Of course, many, many things bug me — and many of those items are much, much worse than this.
But still…
TRex, I’ll have you know that my girlfriend is making ‘grrr’ noises. Perhaps she might show up.
[drinks Bass at a gulp]
I think it’s interesting that they call their group the “Eagles”. Makes me think of Colbert.
“Antiwar Activism Emboldens Global Communism and Islamic Imperialism” is my favorite sign in the bunch. The stick-on letters most likely came from RED CHINA.
Gavin M. @ 46
Heh.
Hi, nice lady.
My god, this post is the most un the fucking fuck believable thing I have ever read in my life. Has it really gotten this fucking surreal. Good christ.
TRex! All these cute, pleasant str8 boiz
(spaceboy, Gavin, et al.)
Sharkbabe @ 50
HI !!
OT but so damn worth your attention: get thyself to see the opening five minutes of the Colbert Report. Especially those of you who are not big Rahm Emmanuel fans. I literally was laughing so hard, I almost spit some very good red wine across the room.
(apologies… now, to read the post in detail)
OMG!!
SHARKBAAAAAAAAABE!!!
Just peeking in to say the docs are going up at
Judiciary
TeddySanFran @ 51
Story of my goddamn life.
Hi, nice lady.
Snarl.
TRex – Thanks for supporting your progressive blogosphere colleagues who attract the ire of the DoS trolls!
It seems to me that, as a matter of policy, progressive bloggers should endeavor to provide a platform for any of their colleagues who are DoS’d.
Imagine a blogosphere in which every DoS attack leads to the victim’s message automatically and promptly being posted on dozens of other progressive blogs.
I think you would see the popularity of DoS attacks diminish greatly when DoS trolls come to realize that their attacks are actually completely counterproductive…
Gavin’s big scary Amazon of a girlfriend @ 57
Oh no, she’s here.
I went through a difficult, slushy drive with my wife, and my two girls (4 years old and 8 weeks old) to join the march on Saturday. It was great to share my desire to speak up for my beliefs with my family. My older girl has been to two previous marches, but this one was tough. It was cold and we were a little less than perfectly prepared. All in all it was the birthday treat for me that I really wanted. Somehow, we walked into the mall right in the middle of these hate spewing idiots. This was the only mar on the day. Vicious and berating comments yelled at us despite our children. The only violence I ever encountered at a peace rally was from this group and I hated to see my family scared. Anyway, I’ve been a lurker too long and finally had something to say. Stop the war, support the Congresswoman Lee’s Plan!
Gavin,
Thanks for reading all the nonsense so I don’t have to. I hold you in highest regards. Do you keep an airsick bag handy?
Freepers spend their money on such good things. They paid for Linda Tripp’s facelift in California.
…it doesn’t look as if this eagle group is really “for” anything…just a bunch of disgruntled, ignored-by- their-president, old fools….do you think any of them had a lightbulb moment at the Wall when they saw the anti-war protesters were ordinary men and women with families, gramps and grannies dressed as conservatively as they were?
Interesting that Fox and the gang could actually make a big deal out of this. Do you think anyone cared?
I must admit I liked the Jane Fonda/John Kerry signs the best.
Gavin M. @ 59
Well, that’s my cue!
I need to go see a man about a suit of armor.
Yesterday in Galena,Illinois we had our 5th annual democratic rally. Every year we’ve held up 2′x 2.5′ letter spelling out various slogans. This year it was Enough already! Bring them home!! We had twice as many people as usual and the only folks who showed up for an anti-protest, we managed to make them admit that they weren’t for the war,but for the troops.
There was a Give Peace a Dance happening in Dubuque, Iowa that had hundreds of people in attendance. The highlight was a 7 year old who joined his brothers’ band to sing We don’t need no education….we don’t need no thought control…..it was a riot….peaceful and all…f*ck the spin
Terrific post – I’m so glad you’ve shared it with us here.
I knew that when the rumors started going around about how “the Vietnam Memorial Wall has to be protected”, it had to be a big fat propaganda campaign. Shame on those who intentionally exploit and abuse people’s patriotism for political gain.
The Gathering of Eagles of Death Metal also protected Ground Zero from desecration. And they must have been at least five to one there! (At least, I think that guy was a protestor.)
freedom’s brushfire @ 60
Thanks for marching!
Gavin- thank you so much for this. I have finally almost absorbed it. It is a sad reminder of.. well, I just don’t know what to say, except how wrong and craven and stupid zealots can be.
I was struck by this part of what you quoted:
“The current anti-war movement is no different than the Vietnam era group, in fact many current participants are the same people who were involved in the 60s and 70s. They lie, deceive, distort, damage, desecrate, spit on our military, curse, hurl insults, and dishonor not only historical sites but hallowed ground if given the opportunity.”
Yes, in fact, many of the current participants are the same people who were involved in Vietnam era protests. I wasn’t there, but I count myself as among those there in spirit. Having come of age during VietNam, and then lived through Nixon, back then I never thought I would see worse. The Vietnam war was in some senses inherited from the French. But, the Iraq war is our very own war. And, not one I ever supported. And, Bushco. and Cheneyco. have defiled our Constitution and us, as a people, in ways that Nixon could never have imagined.
The VietNam war memorial is something that speaks profoundly to me, and also, I trust to others who came of age at that time. Talk about defiling something… that is what “they” have done.
Terry Olson @ 61
Thanks!
It’s actually really interesting when you get into it. There’s a professor at the U. of Manitoba who’s written books on the right-wing authoritarian personality type. Have you read any of his stuff?
TRex @ 64
I don’t think they’ve got anything in your size, unless there’s a spare 747 lying around for parts.
One of the Eagles Makin interviewed stated that they were there to guard not only the Vietnam War Memorial, but the WW II and WW III
Memorials, as well. That’s right the WW III Memorial! If in fact, there is a WW III Memorial,it will stand as the only example of proactive effort on the part of this administration in its war without end.
Waxman on Charlie Rose – Starting Now.
freedom’s brushfire @ 60
Hello, welcome, and thank you for marching for peace with your family. Sorry they got scared, being yelled at by a bunch of loudouths is scary — and the fear is youj don’t know how far they will take it.
Can you give us a first-hand guess at the numbers?
TeddySanFran @ 48
And here in SF we’ve been strolling up Market Street Sunday, having die-ins in intersections today, and hoping we were having an impact.
The wingers tell us we’re moving the whole fucking planet. Sweet goddess!
Being wingers, they’ve surely miscalculated the consequences of power.
All the same, nice to know of our power.
PS: Hey wingnuts -
San Francisco community values are now majority American values.
We’re kicking your boil-encrusted asses and reclaiming the Republic and our freedoms – for all Americans.
And we don’t need no stinking theists or gulag makers in the picture.
You wingers savor their works: we flush them.
Even in the marketplace of ideas, the septic tanks are finite.
As are the jail spaces.
Ask your pal Cunningham.
Something else I noticed: The Patriot Guard Riders and other groups like them were part of GoE.
The Patriot Guard Riders formed to protect military funerals from Fred Phelps’s ‘God Hates Fags’ demonstrators. They really are pretty nonpartisan and honest.
Whether they were happy at what they found at the pro-war demonstration, I don’t know.
Hotflash @ 74
I’m not very good at that, but I’d guess more than 5000, probably 10,000.
Monk @ 72
There is, in fact, a WWII memorial. It is godawful ugly, plunked in the middle of the Mall between the Washington and Lincoln memorials and bisecting the reflecting pool. Bob Dole et al lobbied very hard to abrogate the original plan for the mall for this ugly-ass mess.
Gavin M. @ 76
Sometimes I do feel it’s worth mentioning that Fred Phelps has gone to easily five times as many service personnel’s funerals as the Preznint.
Just sayin….
Monk @ 72
And on it goes…and on and on and on…
http://thumbsnap.com/vf/1cDU51Lx.jpg
A gathering of eagles! Quick Dick! Get your gun.
Gavin M. @ 70
No, not familiar with him. Name?
Gavin M. @ 70
Why am i not suprised that it’s a canadian that wrote that type of book. *snickers* (nothing against canadians, my family is chock full of ‘em since i’m a border girl myself!) Right wing in canada, isn’t half so extreme as it is over here, which i find interesting. And the rest of the parties have no qualms about telling them to STFU if need be.
Trex lord of everything! Teddy SF dude’s a tweaker just sayin!
Fitz!
*xyz @ 73
What statioN?
Hey sharkbabe- glad to see you back.
ooow. i hate my pbs station for fundraising right on top of waxman on rose.
TRex @ 79
Fred’s gone to the sidewalks outside the funerals, but never to the funeral itself. Having made Fred’s hit list myself, I can say with experience that he’s well aware of his legal rights, and they generally don’t extend into the churches themselves where these funerals are held.
You know the Big Fat Heaping Irony about all this?
When the wall was first dreamed up by Maya Lin, the wingnuts HATED IT. Hated it hated it HATED IT. The Feds had to create a separate conventional bronze sculpture to placate them.
If anyone was going to destroy the wall, it would have been a wingnut.
Bob Altemeyer.
My brother and I went to an Iraq War vigil late this afternoon. There were a lot of horns honking in support, but there were also the inevitable one-finger salutes.
One guy screamed, “Dirty fucking hippies!” and we all roared with laughter. These guys are badly in need of new writers!
Seeing the pseudo-vets in the pictures, reminds me of the book “Stolen Valor” which documents the subculture of phony vets. In my experience with vets, the ones who were in combat usually don’t talk about it and are not cheering the kids to fight the next war.
Terry Olson @ 85
OTerry Olson @ 85
PBS
Gavin –
The caption on the cartoon up top answered one of my burning questions: what do you call more than one chickenhawk?
LOL!
Alright, kids. Everyone play nice. I’m headed home and will check back with you all in a bit.
*crying*
well not really
can somebody just tell me if this bullshit signifies utter desperation or yet more success in teh propaganda war upon us! sounds like these fucks got plenty of leveraged media bang for their sorry-assed buck!
burn down the msm. tar and feather. no other way.
squirrel hiller @ 81
No, too many lawyers in the vicinity. Dick would get distracted.
A Gathering of Beagles
Sometimes it just get hilarious despite the
nastyness of it all.
good grief
Gavin M. @ 90
I got yer link right here…..
Respectful Dissent @ 21
Exactly. And 100% truth-free, as well. Not to mention brains-free.
hey VG (((())))
“They lie, deceive, distort, damage, desecrate, spit on our military, curse, hurl insults, and dishonor not only historical sites but hallowed ground if given the opportunity.”
It is a good thing there’s no oil under the Arlington Cemetery, or Cheney would be out there with a Halliburton shovel…
Sharkbabe where have you been? Are you still in Hoyer country?
Bob Altemeyer’s _The Authoritarians_ –free online, google has link.
Also check out, John Dean’s _Conservatives Without Conscience_ bases on Bob Altemeyer’s very large body of work in this area.
This is the crux of the problem, read it, learn it, disarm it.
“Whither soever the causus is, there will the vultures be gathered together.”
Or something like that…
Sharkbabe @ 50
Sadly, Yes.
hey sharkbabe – good to see you here again!
TRex @ 79
Phelps is a single-issue kind of guy, where the President is a multi-tasker. BWAHHAHHAHHAH. Hackkkk.
Sorry, almost choked on my tongue there.
BTW, Bob Altemeyer commented on the FDL Book Salon of John Dean, “Conservatives without Conscience”. His first comment is here tho he was mentioned before in that discussion.
Sharkbabe @ 96
Easy answer: utter desperation.
…some of these guys are from my generation and they ought to be ashamed of themselves…it’s what happens when the hormones run low…gathering of beagles indeed…
Eagles, for godsake. The creative originality is as boundless as their matchbox-sized view of our nation. Too bad real eagles don’t have lawyers to sue their asses for infringement and defamation. Make it a class action, god and jesus would sign on too.
Thanks, Eureka Springs, bookmarked it for later consumption.
hi kirk – luv all you dogs – i’m never really gone heh
This is too funny. They get more and more desperate, don’t they?
But seriously, any parent who believes this should have their children yanked away. That is child abuse. If they believe these easily debunked lies, how can they possibly raise a child? Get the kids their vaccinations, enroll them in school, etc.
And I am NOT kidding here.
Damn, those wingnutter butters coulda had 100,000 at their “Eagle Fest” if they would’ve invited John Ashcroft to perform. Ladies and Germs, “Let the Eagle Soar”
http://youtube.com/watch?v=M78…..mp;search=
Sharkbabe @ 96
Sunday WaPo coverage was clearly driven by the need for “balance,” covering both demonstrations without estimating crowds, except to say the anti-war crowd was smaller than expected due to bad weather in the BosWash corridor.
OK, an oldie but a goodie – John Ashcroft sings Let the Eagles Soar!
Since it is Late Nite. . .have you all seen this or am I just late to the party?
It is i-larious.
bonkers @ 116
Great minds, Bonkers, and I bow to your faster fingers…
bg @ 119
Link doesn’t work.
bg @ 119
It’s 404. (I think you need to edit the link).
I need to get me a biker jacket….
Mutant Poodle @ 120
Hehe…every squirrel finds an acorn eventually. ;)
Dang, I messed it up. This is funny.
Steve @ 92
That’s the truth.
One of the bloggers at HEP was in D.C. and wrote about an encounter she had with one of the Eagle men.
Ugh, the doj docs are boring.
Lou Costello @ 30
Yep. The Freeper/Fox version of that event is that the Capitol Police were directly ordered by Nancy Pelosi (they take orders from her, don’cha know) to let the perpetrators go. And of course they were going to do something like that to the Vietnam memorial, because everyone knows that antiwar protesters hate veterans or something (even the ones who are veterans.)
John Amato @ 123
Hey John, How was your birthday?
Steve @ 92
My WWII Marine father-in-law talks about the “professional veterans” who spend their lives manning tables by the Vietnam memorial. Some (not all) are guys who were in the service during the war, but were never actually in Vietnam.
DoJ docs up!
Per Atrios and the AP, they show that the Bush Junta was planning this from the very beginning.
Umm, by next week, the story will be that two hundred fake Christian violent anti-war protesters attacked the Wall with axes and blowtorches and electric drills, while 200,000 veterans fought them off valiantly, while at the same time trying to restrain themselves to keep the injuries to a minimum… and that George Bush personally walked out of the White House and down to the Mall and defended a section of the Wall himself.
Next on Fox: “Mao Swims the Yalu River”
???***Rawrr, Chomp! Chom‰p…???
(sniff, sniff)
Hmmmm, thees place, she smells of righteous snark, and a deep and abiding contempt for autoritarias innatas.
I am glad to see that Sr. Sadly has thees post mirrrored on such a popular site.
Perhaps thees post, she should be shared on many different sites, throughout la blogsfera, no?
(bathe, bathe…)
so.
Also just up . . . Patrick Fitzgerald’s place on the DOJ rankings of US Attorneys:
Some good stuff, down lower in the piece.
bg @ 125
VEDDY FUNNY.
Gavin does us all a great service with this post and the finale with FOX screen shot pisses me off most of…, oh hell, it all does because it’s so familiar. These kind of tactics at demonstrations along with intentionally fouled up reporting are nothing new. Nothing new at all.
It’s one of the older tricks in the book. Plant a violent person in the middle of a demonstration and destroy all of it with one foul move. Plant troll equivalents and smear the message. Ask police (not all police, Suzanne) or other idiots to count or lie about the count.
It’s why demonstrations don’t take place. You speak up in public, ever so peacefully, you must be prepared to go to jail, in fact if your are doing well, expect to go to jail. I have to say I was shocked last Summer when the demonstrations held for so called “illegals” went off without a hitch. Very curious.
You want a good demonstration? Try Mexico, especially the State of Michoacon, imo. Even small villages have them daily and both sides just take turns marching and speaking. Down there its an act civil beauty, an art form.
Now, uh hum, where is my pitchfork? *s*
btw, missed your cranky fins sharkbabe… hope all is well.
From the WaPoo article:
Two prosecutors who received the same ranking as Fitzgerald were later fired, documents show.
I still think they started out looking for a way to get rid of Fitz.
smapdi @
128
They are also either really bad copies or inexpertly scanned; the print is small, gray, and hard to read. The pages do not fill a page, almost as if each was reduced as well. Surely this is intentional; they must fear a distributed review effort, which these scans make almost impossible.
My birthday was cool. Thanks…Watched Borat….
Good evening Firepups!
LOVE to see the SN re-post here to get soooo much more mileage than before the attack. It’s just poetic justice…nice.
These wingnuts…there is (and has been for a long time) a serious dissconnect between reality and how they so desperately want to be associated with “power/winners”. Along the way they’ve even eschewed the critical thought process. Now that it is becoming clearer to more people (finally) that they are associated with abject losers, they have no thinking skills to fall back on. They have no authoritative examples among their ranks except for deceit, bullying, and threats of violence.
I’d feel sorry for them, but I can’t.
It’s an excellent book. I’m also in awe of Hofstadter’s ‘Paranoid Style,’ which seems more solid and authoritative each time I pick it up.
‘Lieb the beagle borrrrres…’
;>)
smapdi @ 128
Surviving Scandals For Dummies, page 311-B: “A properly performed ‘kitty litter shuffle’ requires burying the dirt as deep as possible so that the ’stink’ will be minimised.
Use lots of litter to throw the pesky shit-smellers off the scent…”
You all notice that John Amato from C&L is amongst us tonight?
Wake me when the Two Minutes Hate at the Vietnam Memorial is over.
I was there. I saw the Gathering of Eagles. There were 10,000,000 of them.
the Parks dept is an al quada front severely and deliberately underestimating the strength and determination of our true patriots.
And each of the 10,000,000 patriots carried an eagle on a glove! And each eagle had a flag birthmark on its face! This is of biblical proportions. 10,000,000 eagles in one spot!
John A–Thanks for having quick-time at C&L. . .the i-people are very thankful.
Renee in Ohio @
127
I think this is a perfect example of how people who just want to live a simple life free of the moral ambiguities are manipulated by the cynical war machine crowd. It is much easier to blame “the dirty fucking hippies” than it is to imagine that the people who lead us into war have less than altruistic motives.
Interesting (IMO) new column on Salon by Gary Kamiya, re: the influence of A*P*C. Here’s a sample graf…
What all this adds up to is that for liberal or moderate American Jews who don’t support Bush’s war in Iraq or his “war on terror” and who are willing to look at Israel warts and all, the fact that A*P*C has anointed itself as the de facto spokesmen for American Jews is becoming more and more unacceptable. And increasing numbers of them are beginning to speak out.
Can American Jews Unplug the Israel Lobby?
My 80 year old petroleum geologist Republican friend told me last week that: “It’s going to take 50 years for this country to recover from this asshole.”
He meant Bush.
Vicious, undeniable and vicious.
Gavin, eef joo are yet here:
my tendency ees to want to post widely that wheech the weengnutbars would seek to squelch.
?May I post thees on my leetle blog, and possibly encourage others to post eet as well?
Suzanne @ 138
If you get a chance, check out some of the comments to the article. A couple of wingnuts posting, but most have been positive. My favorite: “Nail, meet coffin.”
smapdi @ 128
Oh no they’re not! They are totally fascinating. Rayne will be up all night with these things. Fun times, heh heh.
Documents! Justice! Popcorn!
John, what was your favorite scene? I watched it on DVD last week. I loved the scene at the Rodeo in the Salem Civic Center VA. Also, the night at the B&B. Apperently that was filmed in Newton, Ma.
Redshift @ 129
In the cordon of 60,000 citizens surrounding the WTO meeting sites, I saw black-clad skinny young people break windows in carefully chosen megacorp “showplaces” shortly after noon on November 30, 1999.
Many hours later, burly men wearing bulky hard clothing (c/w protective vests) pushed outward though police lines as other military-buff young men wearing backpacks moved through our (partying) cordon TOWARDS the police lines surrounding the meeting sites and were admitted though the lines.
Seattle Police documents later revealed the inbound military-looking sorts were carrying chemical weapons projectiles into the circle of law enforcement outside the hotels.
Less than an hour later, the circle of cops surrounding the meeting hotels spontaneously began sustained fire upon the huge cordon of people who’d been sitting in the street unchallenged for some hours.
This strategy was neither a tactical nor a strategic success. Unprovoked attacks on partying kids and serene peace grannies don’t play well, even in American MSM.
But before the unprovoked fire on the peaceful citizens’ cordon –
The burly guys who came out from behind police lines and pushed through our cordon did random vandalism against small and local businesses – thus setting the message for MSM.
And providing the pretext for the barrage of tear gas, pepper spray, and “flash-bang” grenades loosed without warning upon citizens peacefully sitting and talking in public streets.
And I’m damn certain that – if there was any serious graffiti (not chalk) on the Capitol, the burly guys’ colleagues put it there.
(those with strong lights may now illuminate my tinfoil nightcap)
Happy birthday, John. You signing up for another year?
OT, a warning.
I have induced major pain in my brain by reading Ahn-drew’s TNR review of D’Souza’s latest waste of paper.
http://www.tnr.com/user/nregi……ivan031907
(subscription required)
Those two are profoundly scary in their complete contempt for core American values.
Don’t try this at home, kids. There isn’t enough [insert your favorite recreational chemical] in the world to make the pain go away.
TeddySanFran @ 139
You know it’s quite possible that Congressional staff is doing the scanning, not the DOJ.
montag @ 133
Oh, that gives me a chance to give this link.
Advance Bravely Along the Glorious Road…
I see little difference between these old Communist images and the Freepers.
Makes me shudder.
kelven @ 148
In the case of the veterans, I think it may have more to do with their not wanting to believe that the horrible experience they went through was a waste. I think the only thing worse than going through a war the way the veteran in that story did would be to go through it, then return home and realize it was all for nothing.
Si, eso sera muy agradable!
Eef joo look rrreal close, joo can see that they are not stars een the flag, but tiny baby jesuses, and they are crying.
so.
Call some waahmbulences for the leetle bambino jesuses.
A clear example of authoritarianism, RWA followers and funny: Kids in the Hall: Brain Candy (1996).
Rob Zuber @ 159
It’s Judiciary folks, not DOJ, and I’d say it’s a certainty that unpaid interns are doing the scanning.
TeddySanFran @ 139
Rob Zuber @ 159
Peterr @ 165
Then we’re getting what we paid for, for once.
I know, eet ees annoying when the tilde (~) or accent appears een the preview, then when joo post, “poof” she ees gone.
Pfui.
the is a snip of a comment from Fort Smith, AR on a demonstration today
Muchas gracias.
so.
I love the way you just basically took a little pin named “reality” and burst their hallucinagenic bubble.
Wonderful.
Any neocons reading this:
Please understand, the vast majority of us liberals don’t hate America, nor do we hate our soldiers.
You know who we hate? You. Go suck an egg.
If yur agin the war your agin the troops, even the dearly departed, dirty fuc*in hippies. lota hippies in the country these days. what’s 70% of 300 million?
Gav, sweetie, it’s getting late and we should probably go. Want to get my car and bring it ’round the front?
Ok, sure honey.
[screech]
[blam]
Aieee!
Umm … I lost my eye glasses at the National Mall in 1992 at a pro-choice march. If anyone found them this weekend, please respond. Thanks. They looked kind of dorky, even back then.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 169
Old nuns…Now there’s a real threat to America. What are they going to do, hit the Constitution with their rulers? /snark
I was just going to remind you about the brakes.
One more before I turn in–had to squeeze in my writing today since I start a daytime temp project again tomorrow.
Response to pz myers’ response to Garrison Keillor
Daniel Tammet on Asperger’s and “fitting in”
This is a scary way to bring the War on Iraq home to DeeCee.
I’m reading ‘em just fine. For instance, I just read Timothy Griffin’s resume. He was the Rover appointed to be USAtty in Arkansas. The Old USA was bumped in Dec 2006, but Monica Goodling sent his resume to Michael Elston in August 2006. Interesting! These guys know how to plan when it’s important to them.
TeddySanFran @ 179
SwiftMime Veterans for Truth
HotFlash @ 179
Im really just looking for that fabulous lentil soup recipe that Kyle Sampson was forwarding to everyone in the ODAG’s office.
TeddySanFran @
179
That was brilliant…
I wonder, what would the nutjobs tell these soldiers? Eh? ZOMG Veterans?! AGAINST THE WAR!?
Holy crap on a stick eh?
But then I suppose they haven’t been shy about bashing Kerry either, despite his service.
*sigh* Chickenshit bastards.
HotFlash @
180
Where are you reading these docs?
http://judiciary.house.gov/
http://www.judiciary.house.gov/
JJohnson @ 171
speaking just for this pup -
I hate the neocons’ tyranny and violence.
But though I despise the core neocons (the prime movers, not the deluded followers), I do not hate them.
Let their hate perish with them (at the end of their natural lives – or before).
I will not provide a refuge for their hatred.
No matter how much their actions cry out for it.
Hey, everybody. I just got off the phone with my mom. She’s going to Bogota, Colombia for ten days on Sunday and it’s the rainy season there.
I was trying to help her pick out a raincoat.
This one?
Or this one?
I’m leaning toward the green one, myself.
TPM MuckRaker is asking those who can read the DOJ doc dump files, and want to take it on, to contribute to their running notations/comments. Just a thought, if you can already read them or were thinking of posting here (add to there as well?)
see it here!
TPM Needs You!
I will contribute when I can figure out how to make the display in Safari more legible! (it is coming up so small when displayed in Safari. Not sure whether to download pdf files and pull through Adobe Reader, or just run Firefox…ack)
thanks Late Night pups= :o)
which one does your mom like, TRex?
TRex @ 188
The green one. It looks good and like it will actually keep her dry. (tell her to drink lots of coffee. yum.)
Will the green one be long enough? What if its windy and rainy? But the brown one is too fru-fru. Then again I dont know your mom.
Suzanne @
190
I think she’s leaning toward the green one, but the other one is pretty special.
Terry Olson @
85
PBS
the other one is only a travel coat – not a raincoat
I’d go for the gravel. Longer and more versitile. Your mom is my age /-. Plus it matches everything.
Hey, someone help me out here. I’m tentatively biting into the document dump.
What’s the ODAG?
TRex, the green one. The other one looks kind of shapeless and baggy.
TRex @ 197
Office of the Deputy Attorney General
I think its office of deputy attorney general
TRex says:
March 19th, 2007 at 10:40 pm
Hey, someone help me out here. I’m tentatively biting into the document dump.
What’s the ODAG?
_____
Office of the Deputy Attorney General
more acronyms here
http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/FOIA:Acronym_lists
Office of Deputy Atty Gnl
Sorry! meant to include this one as well
http://members.cox.net/govdocs/govspeak.html
TPM’s citizenry mind machine effort to crunch the document dump reminds me of SETI where thousands and thousands of people share a portion of their home computer’s memory linked through the toobz to create a mega computer with massive data storage. This is so cool.
Muzzy @ 203
Except SETI doesnt make me blind.
Uppity Gal, If i find anything i will post it everywhere!
this Gathering of Eagles is a bunch of Desperados. last throes, and all that.
ok- sorry for multiple posts, but I am freaking out reading this stuff! Go check out the stuff in that TPM muckraker comments section.
The comment Posted by: joe falcone Date: March 20, 2007 01:25 AM calls out some “human interest” bits the press should run with.
he posted there earlier (previous thread) and has a dKos diary he wants to call out – seems fair, he had jumped into parsing the docs befoe josh called for everyone’s help.
ok- time for me to try to calm down and go to sleep. this is going to get very interesting. I think they are brewing coffee, lots and lots of it, across D.C. tonight.
Uppity Gal @ 202
Good links. If you’re using Firefox, there’s also a search engine plugin for acronym.com, which is a sort of general-purpose acronym site. Go here:
http://mycroft.mozdev.org/
and enter “acronym” in the little search box.
I don’t think I’m smart enough to help out with this document dump. All I’ve been able to figure out so far is who the office whiner is.
Wolcott:
TRex @ 208
Who is it? I think that one of the things folks will have to learn is what these folks’ business relationships are like. If the office whiner complains about something, it’s probably not a big deal. If the office stoic complains, though …
Thanks Cujo359! consider that bookmarked (I am such a geek)
and TRex- funny! :o) ah, just skip it and peruse the dirt in the Muck comments section.
This doc dump is a lot of BORING stuff (there are several links of just resumes) but still, feels like a floodgate creaking from strain.
These USAs were pissed, understandably so, and I think “vengeance shall be mine” is resounding through many legal craniums this evening. When Carol Lam decides she has had enough: watch out.
As always, thanks for this amazing community.
What generation is Spiderpaws?
(re: 111)
Uppity Gal @ 211
I think they’re counting on us all getting bored and giving up. They may have a point ;)
Uppity Gal @ 212
Thanks to you Uppity Gal for being part of this amazing community and for ploughing through the document dump.
Jebbus!
2-9 downloaded before I’ve finished the pear cobbler with homemade whipped cream.
The horrors!
(just trying to put myself in goopermode here.
In real life, the cobbler went before the download.)
g’nite all….
night officer
Jeebus Figleafed Cheese.
Pups, hie thee to 2-9.
Really juicy resumes.
My fave so far:
Rachel J. Palouse
Interim USA (March 2006 to present): District chief federal enforcement officer.
[snip - kjm]
Dorsey & Whitney (October 2003 to December 2005): Trial lawyer. Work involved successful representation of Rebuplican party in election lawsuit; defense of faith-based health care program; [snip].
[snip]
Federalist Society (2001 to present)
I’m still on document 1-1. Seems like Rep. Issa and USA Carol Lam are getting in a bit of a pissing contest about a memo concerning illegal immigrants. Lam says it’s a fake, Issa tells her she’s avoiding the issue. Typical neocon BS, IOW.
So all this was a diversion so Cindy Sheehan could bring a fleet of moving vans in and steal the WWIV and WWV memorials? Where’s Cindy hiding it, Sean Hannity? You don’t know? How about you, Michelle? What fools.
upitygal,
i have firefox and the docs are small print on Adobe Acrobat, so I key in ctrl + and it enlarges the print. Problem I had was that they loaded so slow. I still have dial up .
Ed*ard Teller @ 221
Look away, ET! Look away! I will not have so fine a spirit as yours sullied by the Reich Wing’s putrescent belchings! Pray, good sir, look away! Close your eyes and think of all that is good and noble in the world. Or even think of all that is mundane and cheerless. Think of anything at all before you think of them, I pray.
Often, it’s not even for myself that I get angry at the Right Wing over. It bothers me more that people I care about have to hear it.
I’m a good codependent. Throw me out a window and someone else’s life will flash before my eyes.
Gavin; Thanks for doing this!!!
I thought I was the only one who could see thought these people’s tricks. And YES they did leverage the media. They were just gloating like you can’t believe when they got coverage in SF.
This coverage was their way of saying, “See you nasty bloggers you can’t shut us down!” Of course not. We don’t have the power to do that. Only Disney does. And remember,if Disney doesn’t shut them down then Disney OWNS them, and their message.
During this entire process Disney and ABC Radio was right behind Morgan and MAF. They are VERY lucky that the violence and conflict that they promised the TV Cameras didn’t amount to anything real. But they were kind of hoping it would happen. And that is really the sick part.
They know how to work the TV pr game, hell Morgan was in it for years. They offer a visual and conflict the TV cameras come a runnin’
But think about who they used and how they used them. For all their screams at Cindy Sheehan for misplacing her grief by demanding the president answer for his war, look at what they did. The used Scott C.’s grief and anger and directed it at peace activists who were at the Crosses at Lafayette. Cindy Sheehan directed her at the person responsible, the president.
Also, Cindy Sheehan didn’t use it as an opportunity to sell mattresses from Sleep Train. Remember KSFO is a commercially supported broadcast radio station. They used hours of time (free advertising) on the show to put off this stunt. Like the Clear Channel group that organized the Dixie Chicks CD crushing event, they were in the heart of this. They were VERY lucky no one was hurt.
Of course the used the negative coverage they got from ONE TV station that covered their violent rhetoric and their shutting off my blog to get coverage on this story. And of course 3 seconds after they begrudgingly said, ‘Well, they did a good story’ they were back to bashing the media again. I really wanted to tell the TV stations what they really think of them.
And the TV stations fell for it. I wish I had the energy to bust their little PR burst, but I haven’t totally figured out how to counter their nonsense.
Their PR firm earned their money on this campaign. It’s a good thing they stopped attacking me, they had time to do this.
But of course their hubris will be their undoing.
What are the rules for recall of a senator in PA?
Classic Specter here (from TPM document dump comments)
TRex @ 223
[laughing] That means hitting the ground saying, “WTF?”
Eureka Springs, AR @ 225
How else will he end up being named AG?
hah ha — a Paul Shrader fan! :)
I’m waiting for that rain too, travis
Hey, TRex. Did they find Cindy and the stolen memorials to future wars yet?
Music! Good rehearsal with my band tonight. Now I’m helping my son’s band figure out how to go through discarded songs to retain the best stuff in more complex ways than just remembering short riffs…….
montag @ 226
one of the most common errors in technical rock climbing is sloppy bowlines. the most commonly heard last word by their climbing partners is “fuck……”
In 2-8 pp 20-26 are tables with (dismissed) USA’s, thier “crimes”, and obstacles to their removal.
Written by hand at the end of the section on USA Cummings (DOJ wanted him replaced by Griffin) is the scrawled notation: “Griffin was always our choice”.
Dismissed for cause.
The cause of authoritarian rule.
In the 2-8 I’m looking at, pages 20-26 are resumes. ???
There’s a letter from Sen. Feinstein complaining about low numbers of convictions for immigration crimes, followed by something about a dispute over who should be the temporary USA in South Dakota, a short list of who needs to be replaced (no explanations). Pages 10-48 are all resumes.
In 2-7, pages 7-8, there’s a letter from Richard A. Hertling, Acting Assistant Attorney General to Reps. Conyers and Berman categorically denying that Carol Lam was asked to resign in order to impede an investigation.
JJohnson @ 171
jj
don’t waste eggs(even rotten ones have uses)
or energy
reclaim not just time,
also the ownership of the direction of energy
give nothing
They actually have organised a DDOS attack on my personal router for the past 6 days, after Michelle Malkin posted my personal IP address on her site.
Her hosting service hasn’t lifted a finger to take action on this. Please contact me through my blog or email me if you can help or if you are in the same boat. Thank you.
In 2-7, in a letter to Sens. Leahy and Feinstein, Hertling implies that they will eventually have a USA in San Diego who is confirmed by the Senate:
Not sure if there was some implicit threat in that or not.
Anyway, that’s enough BS for me for one day.
Wonderful post! Way to go!
BodeMillerJokes @ 235
I’m not too surprised they won’t help. Malkin or her handlers probably picked them expressly because they won’t give her grief about that sort of thing. I’m not sure what you can do other than to have your ISP try to deal with theirs.
Do you have a static IP address? If not, you might be able to get your ISP to just cancel the lease on your current IP address so you can get another one. What that means is that they can just remove whatever it is that helps the computer that aassigns that address forget what adress you had and give you a new one.
DDOSs can be pretty sophisticated nowadays, so there may not be much else your ISP can do.
Cujo359 @
238
I’ll probably end up doing that. I’m shifting in a couple days so I don’t really care. I hope they check out the updates on my blog, I’m hoping to make Michelle Malkin shit some bricks.
It’s been a crazy ten days or so and I thought I’d post a treat for the FDLers out there to entertain your brain. It’s five crucial scenes that were cut out of De Niro’s The Good Shepherd.
Enjoy
http://digg.com/movies/FIVE_CR…..D_SHEPHERD
JT
Plaintive email from the document dump.
Cujo359 @
233
It’s one of those situation where it may be impossible to ever truly bust them for any one thing. “It was just a policy difference. She put too much emphasis on white-collar crimes and not enough on the Administration’s top priority, which is border crimes.
Liberals are simply playing politics with a simple policy difference.”
We’ve all been in situations where we couldn’t nail any one incident, but finally had to go after the pattern. That’s likely to be how it is in this case, an excuse for each and every individual incident, but according to Krugman the overall pattern is damning:
Mornin’.
‘morning, eg…
anyone anywhere making any progress on the document dump?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/20/52734/4298
Send Josh Marshall Money
Damn it, I fretted for 2 weeks about the Gathering/Rolling Thunder situation and it gets discussed in the middle of the frickin night!
Good morning!
Utterly OT – does anyone have any idea why my History in Firefox does not update? The recently closed tabs thingy works, and the sidebar works, but when I click the history button at the top of the page, the history is ancient and does not change.
TIA,
ixnay
Harold Ford signed with Fox news.
Good morning, pups. Today in the NYT it’s Rory Stewart in Kabul suggesting the United States needs to be honest about Afghanistan, and Nicholas Kristof is wondering if Darth Cheney is an Iranian mole.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
Coffee and tea are ready, and help yourself to a biscuit. They’re just out of the oven. Why not turn it into a breakfast biscuit with some egg and bacon and cheese… I am!
Just another example of our own home grown fascism.
Thanks Marion, stellar breakfast today.
Mmmmm, the smell of hot documents.
Mornin’ all!
Hey twolf. Long time no see :)
egregious – i was away for the weekend. Did I miss anything?
Eureka Springs, AR @ 191
if she’s going to bogota you don’t want her to stand out …..
twolf—
Stuff is heating up at Dpt of Justice and Gonzo is rumored to be on his way out.
There was apparently a massive document dump which is listed on the DoJ site and people are combing thru. Hope Rayne’s husband doesn’t burn the toast this morning again.
That’s about all I know.
Hello, friends!
I love S,N. How welcome they are at the Lake.
Riesz Fischer @
9
sHe just looks like one!!! Sad case!
what has w done to our world? where did he come from?
Still using copyrighted material huh? You’ll learn, one day a nice big infringement suit and all of Jane and Markos’ play money down the tubes. Good luck . Tell me honestly that the Looney Tunes cell is fair use?
good morning firepups,
how y’all doin’ ?
recall someone the other day offering some sort of help/solution on ‘converting’ pages to something more accessible, easier to work with than pdf’s – is that correct ?
sure would be helpful w/this current document dump – 3000 pages, mostly pdf’s
I see Josh’s site has set up a rudimentary system wherein readers can help.
per Rayne, e pluribus media needs similar help but I don’t see a call out on their pages – sure would like to help them – looks like you have to create an account (user name & e mail)
hope she checks in this am.
e pluribus media
egregious @
257
Miraculously, no charcoal production today. Switched to English muffins for which he did not have enough time to do more than singe before racing out the door with said muffin in hand.
;-)
jayackroyd @
241
Those emails from Chiara are heart-breaking. They just plain effed her. I cannot find a damned thing on her, have no clue at all why they effed her. They made little effort to help her, either.
Anyone who thinks for one second that those jackals lining Constitution Avenue and surrounding the Nam memorial last Saturday were “non-partisan” is obviously a staunch follower of Rush and the Faux Noise Network. I strolled down Constitution from 23rd street primarily to see what sort of vitriol was being spewed, and I found plenty. A sign in 2007 declaring their group to be “Vietnam Veterans Against Kerry” was not only 3 years old, but telling of the political orientation of the group. My simple presence holding a sign that called for an end to the war machine was met with yells from the jackals that “you Democrats are no better than Osama, motherfucker.” That to me is a tad partisan, wouldn’t you say? And what about the jackal who put a sign on a portable toilet that read “Jane Fonda’s Office”? Non-partisan?? I think not.
The Reich wing can spew all the vitriol it wants and as their “president” and his policies fall deeper into the abyss, I encourage them to do so. However can they at least try for a scintilla of truth in their statements? Just for kicks? They can call themselves “non-partisan” but how does that explain them snapping their heads in my direction, responding like Pavlovian dogs, each time I said “dittos Rush” in response to a taunt?
send this post to your fav talk show hosts and write something for your local paper. GOE will get traction in the media.
good morning Rayne -
see my 4:45am – how can we help ?
LOL! Chocowinity! Chock full o’nuts!
cbl @ 261
I’m here, cbl, any help you folks can offer would be great. I’m partial to ePluribus because they are open and transparent, can see what’s going on if you are a community member, where going to TPM means I have to rely on Josh et al on blind faith. Have never received an email back from Josh in the several years I’ve sent him comments or tips, either. [sigh]
But I was there for the birth of ePM, and I still drop in from time to time to help with investigations. Been working on the case of Margaret Chiara’s dismissal because she’s here in MI, have now published several bits over at ePM because of her.
I encourage you to get a userid and help out by adding to commentary in the Community page for starters. If anyone is up to doing PDF conversion, I can make sure it gets posted where folks can use it at ePM — converting to text would certainly make it easy to find specific content by key words.
looseheadprop — you out there? I think you want to read this. Heh.
thanks Rayne –
am awaiting regist. confirm. in email
this is where we the people have an advantage over TradMed with all these spare eyeballs and brains to pick through the pile :)
did something similar years ago when temping for a blue ribbon law firm’s class action – but that was only 10 of us poring over docs. 8 hours a day
can see from e pluribus and josh’s comments that folks are already finding the goods
Rayne @ 267
Hey, Rayne: nice work!!!
and we’re off . . .
CIA leak prosecutor was ranked below ’strong’ and ‘loyal’ prosecutors on Justice chart
yep His Fitzness being ranked by someone not fit to deliver his pizzas :)
raw story
Wigwam @ 269
Thanks, Wigwam. Actually, if you guys are up to it, I think I’d ask for focus on the Parsky Commission as linked in comment upthread.
This is BIG and affects not only USA’s but judgeships and other political appointments, may somehow be intertwined with the Cunningham-Wilkes-Foggo story.
I also have a thread posted at ePM on the same storyline.
You know Faux claims to be “Fair and Balanced” not accurate.
Thus the ‘Fair and Balanced’ claim.
Go read Wolcott and bask in the snark
Cujo359 @ 232
This may not mean a thing, but if this document was just released last night, why would Karl Rove be talking about Feinstein’s letter last Thursday when he spoke at Troy University???
When I saw this clip (link below), it seemed suspicious to me. You know…one of those things they all latch onto as a talking point, but leaves the main crux of the story in order to say, “Even Democrats did it!! See! See!”
Does it make sense that Rove would have advance knowledge of this??
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..challenge/
New thRedd, Sittin’ Purty in the Catbird Seat.
my husband and i was there on st pat’s day and saw the polite behavior of the black leather guys. when one of the gold star moms was on the stage talking about her step son who was killed in iraq the brave men in black were behind her taunting her until she broke at the end–big guys you made her cry.
wm (my husband) and i were standing close to the entrance to the field talking to some fella there and three of the black shirts came up behind and one (a 20 something) shouldered my hubby pretty hard, then goes ’sorry man, my bad” sarcastically. wm is always a nice easygoing guy so he half turns to say ‘hey that’s ok’ or something and i swear when that young guy saw wm’s grey beard he was a little ashamed. i hope he was ashamed but he couldn’t really apologise or his 2 black shirt buddies would have called him a hippy like they did us.
just one last note: where do i go to get george soros to reimburse me for the hotel, gas, tips food and all.
thanks.
Pictures from the march on the pentagon, March 16-18, 2007
Jenny’O @ 276
Good question considering he is a Hillary supporter/defender.
Don’t expect anyone will find a smoking gun in the Documents. Dump is a good term for them. Fluff, filler with little bits and pieces of interest. Sure these were scrubbed clean before they were literally “dumped”
I just got this from my USMC buddy in DC. He stands with Code Pick at Walter Reed (where he was when he got hit at Khe San).
OK. Late to the party. Somebody really needs to post a spew warning on post and comments. Not only am I recovering from bronchitis but I was holding a copy of coffee and very, very nearly sprayed the keyboard before I got through half of the comments section. It’s real good to see Sharkbabe et al around though!
Why do we call these rightwingnuts conservative when they’re anything but?
This whole spitting on vets thing has me perplexed.
Knowing how peaceniks usually are, I seriously doubt, nor can I even imagine, a peacenik getting so worked up by their own vitriol that they would spit on anyone, let alone a vet who just got back from a terrible experience.
Now, I can imagine, and the photos I’ve seen of these people suggest, an anti-antiwar zealot spitting on troops who march in antiwar protests. The way these people carry themselves, the way they speak out, the method and manner in which they try to suppress the right of others to express their opinions, leads me inexorably to the conclusion that, if there is any truth to the spitting rumors, pro-war zealots would be the ones doing the spitting.
This whole spitting on vets thing has me perplexed.
Maybe it’s because all those stories about veterans returning from Vietnam being spat upon have been thoroughly debunked
Of course.
So what I’ve been observing about the so-called “conservative” right is thus:
a) Conservatives are generally boring people, who
b) Want you to believe what they believe, and
c) If you don’t believe what they believe they will go into conniptions and stop at nothing (not even their own supposed principles) to have you crushed, and
d) If facts and reality just don’t line up with their position they simply make up facts and “reality”, or
e) If their beliefs have been thoroughly debunked they go on believing them nevertheless and continue to insist that their “facts” and “reality” is correct and the naysayers are just anti-American, etc.
Might this have something to do with it?
Gavin’s big scary Amazon of a girlfriend @
173
I thought Gavin’s girfriend was Marie Jon? Or is she with Brad? I can never remember.
Here’s a good laugh.
Pasting the direct link leads you to the subscription wall, so google the following: tnr national parks service crowd estimate.
The first link will be an archived National Review article all about…. (wait for it)… The National Park Service axing the crowd counts.
The payoff paragraph:
“The dam broke in 1995, the year Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan staged his Million Man March–which looked a lot like 400,000 to the Park Police. Farrakhan cried racism and threatened to sue the federal government. And, when ABC News hired a respected Boston University professor by the name of Farouk El-Baz to look over the Park Service’s numbers, it looked like he might have a legitimate gripe (if not much of a legal case). Working from Park Service imaging but with more accurate assumptions about population density, El-Baz generated an estimate of roughly 800,000, with a margin of error of 20 percent. Before long, the Park Service was asking El-Baz how to improve its techniques. But, when he said that a truly accurate estimate would require a multimillion dollar investment in fixed-wing aircraft and digital cameras, Congress balked and yanked the Park Service out of the counting game altogether.”
It feels good to out The National Review as the lefty stoke-rag that we always knew it was.