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		<title>By: TribeScribe</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/19/how-to-betray-americas-spies/#comment-571063</link>
		<dc:creator>TribeScribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 03:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;somewhat OT — this is &lt;em&gt;so&lt;/em&gt; wrong…but does anyone else think of Toonces the Cat (and his driving), everytime you see this woman speak?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Toonces, look oooooouuuuuuutttt!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>somewhat OT — this is <em>so</em> wrong…but does anyone else think of Toonces the Cat (and his driving), everytime you see this woman speak?</p>
<p>Toonces, look oooooouuuuuuutttt!</p>
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		<title>By: Scarecrow</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/19/how-to-betray-americas-spies/#comment-570446</link>
		<dc:creator>Scarecrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-569980&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Fred Garvin @&lt;br /&gt;
                248              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Heartwarming to see the sudden concern among lefties for the CIA and its protocols.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is no one at this site who thinks it’s okay to expose the secret identities/employment/cover of the nation’s spies or to put their lives in jeopardy through such exposure.  Any suggestion to the contrary is simple false.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-569980"><em>Fred Garvin @<br />
                248              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Heartwarming to see the sudden concern among lefties for the CIA and its protocols.</p>
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<p>There is no one at this site who thinks it’s okay to expose the secret identities/employment/cover of the nation’s spies or to put their lives in jeopardy through such exposure.  Any suggestion to the contrary is simple false.</p>
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		<title>By: robinhood</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/19/how-to-betray-americas-spies/#comment-570105</link>
		<dc:creator>robinhood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One of the problems may be that this wound up being somewhat of a porrly worded statute. For example, the statute requires that:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent’s intelligence relationship to the United States”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, one problem I see is that if an agent is a “covert agent” under the statute in the first place, then almost BY DEFINITION there is an assumption that the US is concealing that relationship–why else would the agent be covert, for God sakes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By including that requirement, it almost creates the possibility that there are some covert agents where the US is not taking “affirmative measures” to conceal the relationship(thus, no violation of the statute), and other situations where the US IS taking affirmative measures to conceal such relationship. So what does ‘”affirmative measures” and isn’t it intuitive that if one is ‘covert” the US is ALWAYS taking affirmative measures to conceal, by classifying the agent as covert in the first place.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The point is, the language of the statute is poorly drafted, fcreating ambiguities and making prosecutions difficult. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hold no quarter for Toensing, but i’m an attorney–and ambiguities in sttautes create problems. Has anyone gone back to see if there is any legislative history on these issues?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the problems may be that this wound up being somewhat of a porrly worded statute. For example, the statute requires that:</p>
<p>“the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent’s intelligence relationship to the United States”</p>
<p>Well, one problem I see is that if an agent is a “covert agent” under the statute in the first place, then almost BY DEFINITION there is an assumption that the US is concealing that relationship–why else would the agent be covert, for God sakes.</p>
<p>By including that requirement, it almost creates the possibility that there are some covert agents where the US is not taking “affirmative measures” to conceal the relationship(thus, no violation of the statute), and other situations where the US IS taking affirmative measures to conceal such relationship. So what does ‘”affirmative measures” and isn’t it intuitive that if one is ‘covert” the US is ALWAYS taking affirmative measures to conceal, by classifying the agent as covert in the first place.</p>
<p>The point is, the language of the statute is poorly drafted, fcreating ambiguities and making prosecutions difficult. </p>
<p>I hold no quarter for Toensing, but i’m an attorney–and ambiguities in sttautes create problems. Has anyone gone back to see if there is any legislative history on these issues?</p>
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		<title>By: My, my</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/19/how-to-betray-americas-spies/#comment-570071</link>
		<dc:creator>My, my</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-569980&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Fred Garvin @&lt;br /&gt;
                248              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Heartwarming to see the sudden concern among lefties for the CIA and its protocols.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah baby, I’m feeling the love now—-&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-569980"><em>Fred Garvin @<br />
                248              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Heartwarming to see the sudden concern among lefties for the CIA and its protocols.</p>
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<p>Yeah baby, I’m feeling the love now—-</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Garvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Garvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Heartwarming to see the sudden concern among lefties for the CIA and its protocols.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heartwarming to see the sudden concern among lefties for the CIA and its protocols.</p>
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		<title>By: TiredFed</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/19/how-to-betray-americas-spies/#comment-569929</link>
		<dc:creator>TiredFed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-569552&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;HotFlash @ 196 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-569539&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;theExile @ 183&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-569486&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;SP (at work) @ 131&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The part of Toensing’s testimony that stood out to me the most was when she said something along the lines of “she listed the cover company Brewster Jennings on her tax returns! How covert was she trying to be?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My response was to have an embolism and yell at my TV, “what do you think ‘cover company’ means, you moron?” Unfortunately I don’t recall anyone giving her a richly deserved smackdown for that one.&lt;br /&gt;
——-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Being not a RePuke Valerie probably filled out her tax returns HONESTLY also!&lt;br /&gt;
——-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Aren’t people’s tax returns &lt;a href=&quot;http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=105_cong_public_laws&amp;docid=publ35.105&quot;&gt;confidential?  &lt;/a&gt;How did Valerie’s W-2 get to be public knowledge?  That’s a leak I have not seen addressed.  Should be criminally actionable, or at least the hell should be investigated out of it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt; and the Exile @234. You arent going to like this, then: Valerie’s W2 forms (the ones from Brewster Jennings) were shared by 2 ‘Senior White House Officials’ with Bob Novak “of all people.” This has been mentioned a few times. Someone suggested a referral to the IRS IG (with an annotated copy of Anatomy of Deceit) was in order. oops. lunchtime is definitely over.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<a href="#comment-569539"><em>theExile @ 183</em></a><br />
<a href="#comment-569486"><em>SP (at work) @ 131</em></a><br />
The part of Toensing’s testimony that stood out to me the most was when she said something along the lines of “she listed the cover company Brewster Jennings on her tax returns! How covert was she trying to be?”</p>
<p>My response was to have an embolism and yell at my TV, “what do you think ‘cover company’ means, you moron?” Unfortunately I don’t recall anyone giving her a richly deserved smackdown for that one.<br />
——-</p>
<p>Being not a RePuke Valerie probably filled out her tax returns HONESTLY also!<br />
——-</p>
<p>Aren’t people’s tax returns <a href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=105_cong_public_laws&amp;docid=publ35.105">confidential?  </a>How did Valerie’s W-2 get to be public knowledge?  That’s a leak I have not seen addressed.  Should be criminally actionable, or at least the hell should be investigated out of it.</p>
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<p> and the Exile @234. You arent going to like this, then: Valerie’s W2 forms (the ones from Brewster Jennings) were shared by 2 ‘Senior White House Officials’ with Bob Novak “of all people.” This has been mentioned a few times. Someone suggested a referral to the IRS IG (with an annotated copy of Anatomy of Deceit) was in order. oops. lunchtime is definitely over.</p>
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		<title>By: My, my</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/19/how-to-betray-americas-spies/#comment-569922</link>
		<dc:creator>My, my</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“But what Victoria Toensing proved Friday is that she has either egregiously misinterpreted the statute to render it unworkable or egregiously mis-drafted a statute that does not do what it purports to do.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So this is the win-win moment….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let the Reformation of the Operations (or the fun) begin!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“But what Victoria Toensing proved Friday is that she has either egregiously misinterpreted the statute to render it unworkable or egregiously mis-drafted a statute that does not do what it purports to do.”</p>
<p>So this is the win-win moment….</p>
<p>Let the Reformation of the Operations (or the fun) begin!!!</p>
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		<title>By: JoyB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;scarecrow, thank you for a terrific post.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scarecrow, thank you for a terrific post.</p>
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		<title>By: JoyB</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/19/how-to-betray-americas-spies/#comment-569827</link>
		<dc:creator>JoyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;mulligatawny @ 238 - thank you for the link! Great ‘not seeing’ article. That happens to me, too, with the quotes sometimes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mulligatawny @ 238 &#8211; thank you for the link! Great ‘not seeing’ article. That happens to me, too, with the quotes sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;good post scarecrow.  it’s a little frightening to watch Toensing testify and try to understand the state of mind that twists and contorts and defends an indefensible act.  she clearly sees plame as an dangerous enemy. how fuc*ed up is that?  ideology is a powerful influence and toensing’s analytical skills are hostage to a misconstrued set of facts and warped beliefs.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good post scarecrow.  it’s a little frightening to watch Toensing testify and try to understand the state of mind that twists and contorts and defends an indefensible act.  she clearly sees plame as an dangerous enemy. how fuc*ed up is that?  ideology is a powerful influence and toensing’s analytical skills are hostage to a misconstrued set of facts and warped beliefs.</p>
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