
CSPAN screen shot thanks to this C&L story.
During Friday’s hearing of the House Committee on Government Oversight and Reform, Valerie Plame Wilson calmly explained that her identity as a covert agent of the United States had been “carelessly and recklessly abused” by White House officials, including Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, and Karl Rove. That action ended her covert career, exposed her classified cover operation and risked the lives of unknown others who were connected with that cover. With the personal clearance of the Director of the CIA, Committee Chairman Henry Waxman read a statement declaring that Plame had been a covert agent when the White House exposed her identity and employment, that her status had been classified and that the CIA had taken active steps to protect her classified identity and employment. Plame’s sworn testimony and responses to questions confirmed these facts and the fact that during the past five years, until the White House outed her, the CIA had sent her overseas on secret, covert missions, while she also held supervisory positions in the CIA’s Counter Proliferation Division, which deals with some of the most sensitive and critical issues in the US intelligence community.
Given the importance of this work and the obvious need to conceal the identities and secret covers of agents working in the field, you’d think that US laws would be written to protect covert agents like Valerie Plame, to encourage government officials to protect the identities of covert agents and to punish those who revealed their status and employment. But according to Republican attorney Victoria Toensing, who claims she is responsible for drafting the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, Valerie Wilson and other covert agents like her are not covered by the IIPA, even though protecting the identities of our covert agents would seem the obvious purpose of this statute. So let’s examine Toensing’s arguments, one by one.
Toensing first claimed without qualification that Plame was not in fact a covert agent, but when questioned by Committee Chairman Waxman, Toensing conceded that she had not discussed any of the relevant facts necessary to support her conclusion with the CIA or Plame. Instead, Toensing claimed she was making a legal argument: whatever Plame and the CIA thought about Plame’s covert status, Plame was not a covert agent “under the statute.” So what was missing?
According to Toensing, the CIA could not legally claim covert status for Plame, because Plame had not been “stationed” oversees within the requisite five-year period before she was outed by the White House. (Toensing made the same “not stationed abroad” argument in her WaPo op-ed.) However, the IIPA does not require that an agent be “stationed” overseas in the sense of residing there; it requires only that the agent be a person . . .
. . . who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States.
Toensing is apparently claiming that the statute must be construed narrowly to exclude protecting covert agents with secret oversees assignments but whose residence/base is in the US. So if they were based/resided in the US, but served via frequent covert missions to Lebanon and Iran, they would not be covered; but if they were based in England, and had exactly the same assignments to Lebanon and Iran, they would be covered, under Toensing’s interpretation.
Of course, the IIPA does not make this distinction and there would be no logical reason for it to do so; indeed, it would make perfect sense for the CIA to have persons residing/based in the US under secret cover that allowed them to travel abroad from time to time on secret covert missions. So why would a reviewing court interpret the statute to cover some agents but not others when their assignments were identical and the reasons for protecting both were exactly the same? And why should a court conclude that Congress would intend such an illogical and dangerous result for America’s agents when there is no language or reason to suggest it?
IIPA in fact uses the term “resides” when it means living in a particular country, but uses “serving outside the United States” when it doesn’t mean “reside” there; this seems a clear indication that Congress did not mean the words “serving outside the United States” to mean “stationed,” as Toensing suggests. Larry Johnson explains this point further in this post.
Next, Toensing argued that the CIA was not actively protecting the secrecy of Plame’s covert status, so Plame can’t be considered “covert.” But according to the Waxman statement approved by the Director of the CIA, and confirmed by Plame’s sworn testimony, the CIA was protecting her covert status during the relevant period. Further, the creation of a cover story (Brewster-Jennings) and the CIA official’s unsuccessful effort to persuade Novak not to publish his article are further evidence of an active effort. But that isn’t enough for Toensing, because she is pushing a far more extreme view of the statutue.
Toensing argued, for example, that the CIA did not explicitly warn White House officials that Plame was a covert agent covered by the IIPA, implying that the CIA must effectively expose an agent to people who have no need to know such details in order to be deemed taking “active measures” to protect that agent. (But recall that the INR memo did list her employment as secret.) But that is not the only extreme argument Toensing made. She also argued that because DCI Tenet did not personally call Robert Novak to persuade Novak not to reveal Plame’s employment, that failure is evidence that the CIA was not effectively protecting her status. But is Toensing claiming that unless the DCI personally intervenes with a reporter to protect an agent, then that agent is not protected by the IIPA?
Or is Toensing implying that if the CIA fails to convince a reporter not to reveal classified information revealing a covert agent’s status, that fact alone can be used to remove the agent from protected status and bar (or be a defense to) a prosecution of the government official who revealed the information to the reporter? Followed to its logical extreme, that argument would mean that the IIPA applies only if the reporter agrees not to publish, but if he/she does publish, the IIPA can’t be applied, even though that is precisely when it should apply if it is to have a deterrent effect in protecting other agents from exposure. It is hard to imagine that a court would accept such extreme arguments and absurd outcomes that so clearly undermine the purpose of the statute.
Toensing did not say that Plame might be covered if all the facts were known, nor did she suggest that an evidentiary hearing would be necessary to determine the facts about the CIA protection. Instead, Toensing said, without qualification, that Plame wasn’t covered under the statute. So Toensing appears to be suggesting the extreme view that any laxity on the part of the CIA to protect an agent means that the agent is, as a matter of law, not covered by the IIPA.
Of course, the relevant sections of IIPA do not require that the CIA’s protection efforts be perfect. The statute requires only that . . .
. . . the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent’s intelligence relationship to the United States
The protection the IIPA provides to the nation’s agents depends in no small part on a credible deterrent effect from the possible prosecution and imprisonment for those who expose covert agents. Yet Toensing is undermining that deterrent by arguing for an interpretation under which agents are not covered and no one can be prosecuted if there is any reason to believe the CIA was less than perfect in concealing their covert identity.
Just as the Republicans in the hearing tried to blame the CIA for Plame’s outing, what Toensing is attempting with her extreme and dangerous interpretations is to rewrite IIPA so that it is the quality and success of the CIA’s protective actions that are on trial, not the actions of the persons who leaked the classified information. If you can undermine prosecutions under the IIPA so easily, then no agent would ever be safe from exposure, because someone could always claim that the CIA had not done everything conceivable to protect the agent. And the disclosure itself would be proof of this failure.
Toensing’s interpretation of the statute is thus essentially circular and renders the statute virtually useless as a deterrent. If an agent is outed, that agent may not be covered by the statute, because the mere fact of the outing is evidence that the CIA was not sufficiently protecting the agent. Case closed. No prosecution; no protection for America’s covert agents.
Now lets apply Toensing’s interpretation to a hypothetical. Suppose that Karl Rove knew that Valerie Plame was a covert agent serving from time to time in Iran, and Rove was carelessly given that information because a CIA official gave the information to Dick Cheney/Libby when they asked for it but didn’t expressly tell Cheney/Libby to tell anyone else (Rove) not to reveal this. Then suppose Rove deliberately, knowingly leaked the agent’s identity. If all this happened, then no one could be prosecuted under the IIPA, and the Act’s deterrent value in protecting agents would be lost. That’s the logic of Toensing’s extreme interpretation.
The Republicans on the House Committee purposely invited Victoria Toensing, because they regard her as their national security “expert” on the laws that are supposed to protect our nation’s secret agents. But what Victoria Toensing proved Friday is that she has either egregiously misinterpreted the statute to render it unworkable or egregiously mis-drafted a statute that does not do what it purports to do. If her interpretations are wrong, as they most assuredly are because they are inconsistent with the statutory wording and lead to absurd results inconsistent with the statutory purpose, then she is not the kind of “expert” to whom anyone should be listening. If her interpretations are correct, the statute she claims she drafted does not protect the nation’s covert agents, even though everyone, including the Congress, the CIA, and the agents themselves thought it did protect the nation’s agents. Either way, why should anyone rely on lawyers like Toensing to explain the law or protect our spies?
And one last thing: Chairman Waxman asked Plame whether anyone from the White House had ever apologized to her or expressed any regret for outing her, destroying her cover and jeopardizing the lives and careers of others associated with her work and cover operation? “No, Mr Chairman,” she said. But we should ask the same question to Republican “legal expert” Victoria Toensing. Has Toensing apologized to Valerie Plame and all the nation’s covert agents for having written (or grossly misinterpreted) a statute whose purpose was to protect them from exposure but which, under Toensing’s interpretation, provides as much protection as Russian Roulette? Digby has the answer.
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J U S T I C E !!!
Good Morning FDL!
Now to fiish reading the post
Investigations!! Thank you scarecrow!
Mornin’ lhp, enjoyed yr post yesterday. How important is it that Black/Guam are back on the table?
Cbl, want to summarize the cspan coverage of the good stuff for people on this thread? A lovely way to start the morning.
Imus wearin’ his BushCo Tool belt this morning to talk with Andrea Mitchell. He starts by calling the Libby trial old news. Guess he could use a little spotlighting this morning — imusmail@wfan.com, imus@msnbc.
At least he mentions Trump’s calling Bush the worst president ever.
And if you can stomach the show, Rob Bartlett does a prime parody of Al Gone-zales to the tune of “My Way.” Look for it at the wfan.com site Instant Replay. Or maybe somebody’ll pick it up for C&L if it’s replayed right before the 9 am ET end of the show.
I saw on the blogs yesterday that Brit Hume said that Mrs Plame lied under oath. Does she have a case against him in law?
In fact, under the rules of Statutory Construction when two different terms are used to describe something that could have been the same thing, you are reqyuired to read them as meaning two different things (unless there is a definitions section of the statute that says they can be used interchangably)
Scarecrow — thanks so much for this. All those frequent references she made to being a Goldwater Girl during the hearing, I thought the whole performance was a sort of personal tip toe through some very old, very faded tulips. But in an assertive, frantic sort of way. I kept having this Miss Haversham feeling through her entire testimony — it was very, very odd.
When might we see the still open record of Waxman’s hearing reflect a rebuttal to Toensing’s statements?
Anyone know how long that sort of thing might take? Waxman was pretty quick on the draw with the followup letter to Josh Bolton about what steps the White House took to review the leak, and take appropriate measures.
Hopefully, we’ll see some smackdown soon. I’ll help with the research!
at your service egregious -
C Span this week -
Senate Judiciary Comm.
Tuesday
3/20/07 10 am
COMBATING WAR PROFITEERING: ARE WE DOING ENOUGH TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CONTRACTING FRAUD AND ABUSE IN IRAQ
Senate Judiciary Comm.
Wednesday
3/21/07 10am
MISUSE OF PATRIOT ACT POWERS: THE INSPECTOR GENERAL’S FINDINGS OF IMPR
Thursday
3/22/7
Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND) and Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) co-chair a meeting on the national security implicatings of disclosing a covert agent’s identity. Former intelligence agents participate in the meeting, co-sponsored by the Sen. Democratic Policy Committee and Democratic members of the Hse. Gov. Reform Comm.
7/22/2005: WASHINGTON, DC: 2 hr. 15 min.: CSPAN3
(hearing time not yet listed)
Morning folks. Another great post Scarecrow.
cbl—Thanks, you’re a sweetheart.
Remember when such investigations were just a dream for us? Now they are the stuff of Republican nightmares. Tsk.
This phrase stopped me cold, Scarecrow:
“carelessly and recklessly abused”
I saw Plame’s testimony live, and it hit me then, too.
This pretty much sums up the entire governing philosophy of Team BushCo. As our wounded troops have learned. Along with the people of New Orleans and the Gulf. And the sailors used for the Mission Accomplished photo-stunt. And, well the examples are legion.
As about to be former AG Alberto Gonzales is in the process of finding out.
Mod help needed in my #4 — please insert a space after morning- so the imusmail website link is correct. Thanks, spotted that too late to edit.
Prairie at 13 — I got it for you. If you refresh your page, it should be fixed. :)
Excellent parsing of her pregnable parsing.
You have reduced her ridiculous rationale to rubble.
you know scarecrow, your post is very good but sometimes even arguing a point gives the oposing view a credibility it didn’t have if there were no argument
the statue says plain and simple, “served or has served within 5 years”
that ends it, from there instead of arguing the statement should just be like so;
I would start with’
“tonesing is trying the juevenile trick of redefining words to protect her clearly inacurate statements in the past or to protect the people that violated the act, in essence, committing this crime herself”
and I would go on;
“when toenseng says “she had to have been stationed” she has either not read the statute or is lying, one or the other”
giving any weight at all to her redefinition of the word “served” only creates a debate that is not there
watching toensing was painful…. i felt both ashamed on her behalf and angry that she would continue in her attempts to manipulate and lie.
btw, waxman has ANOTHER hearing this morning (10am on c-span):
“Full Committee hearing to Examine Allegations of Political Interference with Government Climate Change Science”
with james hansen (Director, NASA, Goddard Institute for Space Studies) and james connaughton (White House Council on Environmental Quality) testifying.
i’m expecting this to be a good one too – although i don’t expect the media attention of friday’s hearing… but saving the planet is also important – and this in yet another example of the bush administration’s attempts to subvert the “intelligence”.
THANK YOU!
Can we forget about her after today? She is making me feel bad about being a lawyer.
morning, all… coffee anyone?
I gathered she was invited to specifically address the more recent presidential “law” not the thing she helped draft…..which she eventually said, in THAT case, sure, what they did was illegal.
(sorry so garbled, don’t have time to look up, am procrastinating studying for test, gotta go)
OldCoastie @ 19
black pleeze
Christy Hardin Smith @ 14
Thanks, Christy! Listening to Imus and Kurtz now talking about the Plame testimony. Both agreeing the Wilsons are going to be all right, she’s got a book deal.
Guess what, guys. It’s America that’s not gonna be all right. That’s why there was a trial of Libby and a prosecutor talking about “sand in the eyes.” That’s why there are hearings. Because the Plame leak was one more piece of the jigsaw of self-serving and reckless endangerment that is BushCo.
Scarecrow, excellent piece. The only reason Toensing was invited by the Republicans was because she is a Party loyalist whose mission was to muddy the waters. Your post settles out the mud she slung about.
egregious @ 3
They are? I missed that. Very very nice.
I like the Guam firing because is so lacking in ambuguity.
I also like the thing that just came out that right after Carol Lam notified DOJ that she was going to subpeone somebody at CIE (which I believe she is required to do, just like with subpeonaing the press, you need permisssion from Washington)the next day the email goes out tat they have to fire her.
Nice, clear, easy for a jury to understand.
Did I say Jury? Silly me
Scarecrow -
Most excellent dish of slice-and-dice!
The Plame comment that most hit *me* in the *gut* was (paraphrased), “As a CIA agent, you expect other countries to try to take you out; you don’t expect it from your own government.” Can’t imagine why that didn’t make it into a MSM soundclip. ;-(
Friday was my first experience w/toesuck……and she didn’t disappoint as a prime example of talking head thugs. UGH!
Your wrong on this my little puppies.
Good morning firedogs. Sunny day in MA, but still lots of ice left over from the first interesting snow of the winter. Mother Nature is not well.
lhp — thanks for the expansion of the statutory construction argument.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 7
Actually, I thought the whole thing looked like a violation of attorney advertizing rules. I don’t know what they are in DC, but in NY I think she might have crossed the line
lhp Did I say Jury? Silly me
Well, you might have meant Grand Jury :)
that screen shot above of V.Toensing definately has a ’slum landlord’ sort of quality.
“I can’t imagine how the rats would have gotten into the walls we put traps in the alley 3 years ago”
does waxman read the lake?
of not we need to email or fax scarcrow’s piece along with some of the comments over to his office
if someone has his ear direct him over to this post before his next session
Victoria Toecheese is a horrible, horrible person. Her husband isn’t very nice either.
To their credit, they found each other, and it appears to be a good match. Ick.
She is just a liar. She doesn’t have a lick of respect for the truth, just her agenda.
Scarecrow @ 26
Thanks for for taking a ginsue to Vicky’s performance
Uh what happened to all of Valerie’s contacts/informants after she was exposed as a spy has she been able to contact any of them? Did the Iraq’s or Iranian’s get them? Did they disappear into the woodwork, or where they Disappeared? We don’t need names however wouldn’t the death of any of her contacts be neglegent homicde on the part of Cheney, Scooter and Rove. Much like a drunk driver who runs over a busload of kids I’m sure the bushies didn’t mean it but drinking or leaking is an action which has likly side effects which you go to jail for if somebody ends up dead as a direct result of your actions.
Knut Wicksell @
5
I was wondering that myself. He clearly defamed Valerie Wilson, and didn’t retract even after Juan Williams corrected some of his misstatements.
Deftly done, scarecrow. Thanks.
Having been a professional musician for over twenty years, I can say with some confidence that Toensing’s testimony appears to have been chemically enhanced. She gibbered like a Lovecraftian madman.
egregious @ 28
eg
you and I seem to have the same fantasy life
lhp—
Involving a prosecutor? lol
tommy—thx for the Lovecraft reference. There’s some dark stuff going on.
perris at 16: if you conclude that Toensing is more credible after reading my post, then I obviously failed. You get to write the next one.
Scarecrow @ 33
She may now fall under the public person exception (how bizzare is that? to go from being undercover to being a public person) in which case she would have to prove “actual malice” as opposed to rank stupidity and ignorance.
Brit has a track record to support the stupid and uninformed defence
egregious @ 36
No, involving prosecutions. Get you mind out of the gutter
emptywheel’s put up an interesting post yesterday on Tom Davis:
prolley mentioned here, but I missed it…
looseheadprop @
18
That THING is not a lawyer.
It’s a mockery of a lawyer.
Never worry a second we would ever think that THING was in the same profession. Toensing is clearly a propagandiste — totally different profession.
She doesn’t even do that well; were I a propagandiste I’d be embarrassed.
eg
you crack me up sometimes.
From readings on the rise of the 3rd Reich one thing I’ve taken away is the role that Party loyalty played in their goal of destroying the Weimar Republic. Republicans are merely repeating a page out of history. Know the enemy.
Cheney has finally been greeted as a liberator.
The Fourth Anniversary of The Iraq War is upon us.
Cheney got flowers :)
we can give toensing the unearned deference of a reasoned parsing and demolition of her argument, as scarecrow has done here (brilliantly, as usual).
but we should also never forget that she is just blowing a lot of hot air, tapped no doubt from her enormous reserve.
what an absolute…fill in the blank… she is.
Christy Hardin Smith @
7
Or she was Gloria Swanson in Sunset Boulevard: “I’m ready for my close-up, Mr. DeMille!”
from tomdispatch – a must read on this very sad day:
The Anniversary From Hell
by Anthony Arnove and Tom Engelhardt
…
looseheadprop @ 24
Um, did you mean Grand Jury?
Scarecrow @ 38
well I clearly didn’t write what I intended, you your post is excellant referance with incredible points for me and progressives to tap
I’m even sending it to waxman
what I meant to say is that in conversation with someone who is using toenail as their referance, instead of giving them fact after fact I shoot them down immediatley
when someone brings up her testimony rather then giving them the facts and rasoning I simply cut right to the chase;
“she either hasn’t read the act or she’s a liar, take your pick”
I point out the act says “served within 5 year it doesn’t say “stationed within 5 years”
“the women is a liar and deliberately lying to protect treason, making her a traitor along with those that committed the crime in the first place”
I will save and use your post for referance it is so good, so the point I was making didn’t come through
anyway, let me say it again, this is a great post and I hope waxman gets a copy
Rayne @ 49
Girl, you owe me a coke.
Oh…I see now that looseheadprop, egregious and I are having the same fantasy.
Was it good for you gals, too? Heh.
edit: egregious, you want that coke with Jack, Bacardi dark or silver, or Captain Morgan?
I’m just stopping by to drop off today’s installment of
Dick Cheney Controls Tim Russert.
Have a great Monday everyone!
I would love for Victoria to be deposed in the Plame/Wilson lawsuit. She needs to be socked with damages for all the lies she spreads.
lhp—Wait til Rayne reads down farther.
And hey where’s Marcy? With Christy here we’ve got most of the founding members of the Office Supplies Support group.
Bluetoe @ 44
The Bushies take it one step further: You have to not only put party above country, but Bush above party.
That’s why the US Attorneys’ purging scandal has upset a lot of diehard Republicans: They’re finally realizing that Bush and his minions are using them just as much they’re using everyone else. The friend of a thug is just his last victim.
Refresh, egregious, you’ll see I finally caught up. Got to quit with the multi-tasking if I’m ever going to keep up with you and lhp.
Rayne @ 57
How’s the toast situation? Working on some snappy line re the administration being toast…
Thanks for the coke, plain please, I’m off the hard stuff.
the neo cons have indeed developed a “party loyalty” that is dumbfounding, I’ve seen people who I once respected as patriots abandon every single American principle they once stood for so as to make like the administrations policies are okay with them
it’s bizzare and frightening
I remember growing up, (I’m jewish, I couldn’t understand how people stood by in Germany while the Nazis took over, I didn’t think it was possible and now with history to teach us the lesson of nazi germany I didn’t think it could possibly happen again
yet here we are and it was happening
hopefully our victory in congress will put an end to this rise of the fascists
OldCoastie @ 41
My longstanding suspicion is that Bush and/or Cheney told Fitz that they can secretly declassify and reclassify anything (or anyone) they want to, so no one from the White House can truly leak classified information if the President told them to do it. (If the President told them to do it, then he must have been declassifying it for them.) And the President wouldn’t even have to tell them it was classfied to begin with, since he was insta-declassifying it at the time. Ergo, no one knew they were leaking classified information, since the President didn’t tell them it was classfied to begin with, or he told them he was insta-declassifying it for them.
Your average smirky 14-year-old would find himself grounded for a week if he tried an argument like this. And someone should really follow up on the paper trail here. If you insta-declassify a covert agent, you should probably tell someone about it, seeing as how you could get someone killed. Fitz, on the other hand, probably saw that there was reasonable doubt here, and thus didn’t bring IIPA or espionage charges.
Uh. Mah. Gawd. My kitty just brought me a present of a large, hairy wood spider, half dead, and laid at my feet. She apparently thought this was a lovey thing to do, and demanded scratches and love. If Mr. ReddHedd reads this, he’ll know exactly how difficult it was for me to give scratches while a half-living spider was crawling by me on the arm of the couch. Not the way to start my morning. *shudder* I know that cats do this out of love, but I’m thoroughly creeped out, and I’ve had to dispatch a spider (not the easiest thing for a severely arachnaphobic person such as myself). Eeeep. I had to share, because I am completely creeped out at the moment.
Need more coffee…
She was awful to watch.
She came off as she is, the partisan hack with an agenda.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 61
I think you ought to pretend to eat it or you will hurt your cat’s feelings. Just saying ;)
Redd – you are a woman of great courage.
Oh Christy, I’m so sorry.
But look at it this way, the day should all go better starting from here, yes?
Sorry, CHS!
Years ago, we were getting ready for bed, and my wife was washing her face. I heard her make a noise I’d never heard before–a shudder of complete horror. I rushed in, and a hairy spider the size of my palm (I’m 6′3″) had just fallen off the back of the towel and landed on the floor.
Hideous. Luckily, it didn’t move very fast. I’ve blocked the memory of dispatching it.
Need some help on one issue you mention, Scarecrow. It’s the bit about where the “INR memo did list her employment as secret.” In the last day I’ve read (here, Kos, somewhere else…apologies, but I don’t remember where, but can assure you it wasn’t Fox or any other MSM) that the “secret” notation on the INR memo applied to the meeting at CIA, the context in which Valerie was mentioned, not specifically to her covert status.
It might seem like a nit, but when you’re trying to convince others of your argument, facts help. And I remain confused on this one. Thanks.
egregious @ 58
Unfortunately the charcoal maker was at it again yesterday. I will say that serendipitous kitchen design has kept me from throwing out the toaster; I put the appliance “garage” on the counter immediately next to the range, and I bought a range hood with 300 cfm exhaust.
Downside: everybody else in the neighborhood can tell when the spouse has made toast for breakfast. [sigh]
perris @ 59
i’m jewish too, and always was stupefied by how average germans supported hitler’s rise to power and his nihilistic wars.
now, thanks to bush and his circle, and the enormous hordes of their supporters across the country, i have to reappraise. because it’s obvious we are going through much the same struggle. i wouldn’t put it in the past tense, either.
Christy @ 6:03 -
Just think of your “large, hairy wood spider, half dead” as toensing and you probably won’t have any problems dispatching it. *g*
trifecta @ 63
Yeah, I heard that too. At least one bite is the usual custom.
Celtic Muse — the INR point is made in Larry Johnson’s post, but it’s worth checking out.
speaking of rich fantasy lives . . .
I think she knew how ridiculous, legally specious, and professionally embarassing she sounded hence that dour visage – I think she was conscripted and knew she had no say in the matter after years of making cash and cachet off these thugs
but, but Karl, Joe and I are scheduled for the NRO We’re Whining! Cruise® that week . . .
would also like to think she was concerned about the damage she was doing the firm’s reputation and ability to attract future clients
Celtic Music @ 67
I believe that the entire paragraph was marked S for secret.
Scarecrow @ 71
And they taste just like chicken.
Seance #1:
Big Russ is disappointed in you Tim.
He didn’t raise you to be controlled by evil people.
But do I have to stand up to them?
Maybe said this on Friday, but because we don’t watch TV, had never seen/heard Victoria Toensing before. I rely on FDL for facts about Libby, Plame et al. But I rely on my instincts to some extent as well. VT is a desperate harpy. It was palpable. And it seemed clear early on that she’d been coached to stall, stall, stall. And even though the panel began reclaiming their time, she succeeded in some measure in sucking up valuable seconds/minutes. The contrast between Toensing and Plame could not have been more stunning. The physical, the demeanor, the whole works. And all along the way, I believed that VT was talking out of her butt a good part of the time. Mooning the committee, in a manner of speaking. Could someone tell me how that woman has “succeeded” such that she got to a position of some prominence? It’s the ghost of Kathleen Harris, VT’s identical twin, separated at birth, eh? Thanks, Scarecrow, for making me smart(er). It’s a tough job, but someone has to do it!
If Plame wasn’t covered, I would be ashamed to claim I was responsible for drafting the legislation.
dmg @ 69
I think of those poor teenagers, The White Rose Society, and how the public must have seen them as just rabble rousing, trouble making children as they tried to break through the German public’s perception of Hitler.
I get the same thing from my own family; they treat me like I’ve gone off the deep end. “Oh, it’s just the way she is, so radical…”
It’s cognitive dissonance, working at a scale like that we’d find studying mass hysteria. I cannot absolve them, but at least I can understand the mechanism that kept the German populace in thrall.
old gold @ 78
In Larry Johnson’s post, which I link to, he cites another attorney/staff member of the committee that drafted the legislation. Apparently, not everyone agrees about the role Toensing played.
MSNBC is doing a full dauy of war coverage. . .buyer beware.
Maybe we need to learn more about the White Rose Society.
Observing the neocon orwellian spin on the hearing is like driving by a horrific car accident scene. You try not to rubberneck but it’s hard to avoid the voyeuristic urge to gape.
They seem to have watched an entirely different hearing or they have invisible language translators in their ears ala united nations which convert plain english into wingnuttese. My 87 year father-in-law, a little hard of hearing with a touch of short term memory lapses watched the whole thing & had no trouble zeroing in all on the key moments.
Frank Probst @74: Yes, that’s what I understood. So, I guess the answer to my question is that everything in that paragraph should be considered classified. Thanks.
die Weisse Rose
raven at 81 — Yes, having Tucker Carlson talk about flawed Iraq strategy is so jarring, I had to turn off my teevee.
The LA Times has a nice big fat headline article up on Dem oversight.
This is extremely catty, completely irrelevant, shallow and inane but Valerie Plame made that woman look like a constipated toad.
(Apologies to toads worldwide)
Christi, just think of the hairy wood spider as vapid vicki. That should help the disposal problem.
Celtic Music @ 84
Or at least one should check before disclosing anything in the paragraph. The astonishing thing is how little any of these people did to be careful. Hence, Valerie’s use of the words “carelessly and recklessly.”
egregious @ 82
There is quite a good German film about them from 1982 – Die weisse Rose/The White Rose
Did I hear right that Leahy promised a vote on a Rove subpoena by Thursday?
That would make some real good C-SPAN, watching that jowly fuck take the oath.
Victoria and Joe provide “opinions” for the far right that remind me of one MD’s glowing tribute to the anal sphincter, in describing their amazing capacity to perceive and adapt their function to specific needs of the system.
I don’t think the Republicans could have made a worse choice than Toensing. She came off as a scold who didn’t have the slightest idea what she was talking about. Even my decidedly non-political wife said that Toensing was either a shill or an idiot, and in either case weakened the Bush administrations argument.
also, Kitty Kelley has a knee-slapper of an opinion article on, “Why aren’t the Bush girls fighting in Iraq?”
a nice compare and contrast piece.
Rayne @ 79
rayne,
this is well said. i cannot absolve, but the understanding has at least made me aware of how far a mob can be taken.
eternal vigilance, indeed.
dmg
tommy yum @ 92
Here you go.
Senator Insists Bush Aides Testify
Victoria’s Secret: I am more beautiful and far far smarter than Valerie Plame. I am more beautiful and far far smarter than Valerie Plame. I wrote the law. I wrote the law. I wrote the beautiful law.
tommy yum @ 93
Not exactly. They postponed the decision for a week, not the same as saying there definitely will be a vote this week.
Oh, did someone ask if I were around? Present.
Scarecrow–nicely done. One thing that really stuck in my craw last Friday was Toensing’s repeated statement that Plame was not covert “beyond a reasonable doubt.”
Seems to me the “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard resides in this country with juries, not with shill lawyers. But apparently Toensing has her very own legal system whereby she gets to determing, “beyond a reasonable doubt.”
Can someone explain to me when this happened?
OC at 96 — Well, that was quite the claws out of an editorial, wasn’t it? Mrrrrrowr, from Kitty Kelley. I’d bet Laura Bush will be on the phone to someone today on that one. *g*
Celtic Music @
68
I’m the one who made that argument. It’s why Armitage could be tried for leaking classified information, but not the IIPA. Because there was nothing that specifically indicated Plame’s ID was covered. (In fact, that paragraph is not even the most classified paragraph in the document, which it surely would be if the drafter knew she was covert.)
ew,
It happened after Waxman turned his back for a moment and Vickie hoovered up another line under the table.
Allegedly.
I would love to see more on how her role in passing the law was really pitiful. Wouldn’t that take the stuffing out of her?
Going over to look at Larry Johnson.
Hey Marcy.
Thanks Scarecrow,
That was a great in-depth explanation that a non-legal person like myself was able to follow. I bow down to your awesome writing skills. (But not too low, my back is hurting).
emptywheel @ 100
december, 2000.
[silly me, i thought the standard of “reasonable doubt” applied AFTER the jury heard all the evidence…. ]
Christy Hardin Smith @ 101
I get the impression that Kitty is not all that fond of the Bushs…
;-)
off to work, catch you all on the flip.
lisadawn82 @ 106
lisadawn! How nice to see you! How have you been doing?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 61
I would think they would be hibernating this time of year!?!?! My parents in Conn. have those in their basement and yard and they ARE NASTY LOOKING!! Mini tarantulas…The hairs on the back of my neck are standing on end thinking about them!
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 98
Heh. I had the sensation we were watching a classic fairy tale. Like Snow White and her wicked stepmother, with the wicked stepmother insisting in the mirror that she was the fairest of all, damnitall.
Or like Alice in Wonderland, the Queen of Hearts shouting irrationally, Off with their heads!!! Of course the red ensemble and over-red hair with the “mirror” around her neck didn’t help dispel the mental image one whit.
tommy yum @ 104
Some people say that.
And she can’t prove it didn’t happen beyond a reasonable doubt.
Rayne—YES that’s it the wicked stepmother in Snow White.
Yoohoo darkblack?
Vicky Toesucker and the folks she speaks for got a big boost from Anus in the morning when he attacked Plame’s story about the how/how Wilson was considered for the trip. He said it sounded like high school and his guest gop trophy husband, Howard Anis Kurtz shill, said the CIA what do they know…look at their record.
Here’s a little stream of consciousness bit about making The White Rose Society (thanks for link Rayne) relevant to today:
A choice: The White Rose Society or bratwurst eaten in peace and quiet with a little green feather in your cap raising the right arm knocking mustard to the ground.
The White Rose Society or mustard on the ground in a broken glass jar the jagged edge cutting your palm wiped on your shirt mustard and blood blots in the mirror you see how you have aged.
The White Rose Society or how you have aged watching your nation butcher Iraquis their children blown up shopping for vegetables at the market filthy sewage at their feet private mercenary armies from America spraying the windows with machinegun fire.
The White Rose Society or America in Iraq pretending to hunt for weapons not existing the weapons of mass destruction anti-proliferation spies betrayed for fear of their truth the monster begins to eat itself.
OldCoastie -
From your LAT linky:
Rep. Brad Miller (D-N.C.), chairman of a House science and technology subcommittee, threatened to subpoena a secret report on whether NASA’s inspector general suppressed safety investigations, until the administration agreed to release it.
“There are a variety of things that we are now looking at,” he said. “I’d say the reaction of the Bush administration has been less than cheerful.”
“less than cheerful” – now there’s an understatement I can live with.
On a more serious note: I am so grateful for the CIA Leak hearing and the opportunity to watch Ms. Plame’s testimony. It gave ordinary people like myself an opportunity to see her as a human being, not just a political tool.
Regardless of how the right will spin it, she was finally vindicated in a public setting, for the first time, with the Dem committee members both thanking her for her service and acknowledging the fact that the disclosure of her identity placed her and her family and all of her covert connections in grave peril.
I kept sitting there wondering if anybody died as a result of her identity being exposed. We will never know.
egregious @ 109
I’m doing great, thanks for asking. I’m quiting my job August 10 to facilitate my mid-life crises. I’m applying to some great AmeriCorps positions in Washington and Oregon State so I can experience some time around young kids who are’t as cynical as the rest of us. What are you up to?
Scarecrow @ 81
linkage por favor?
I would LOVE to say even her claims regarding her involvment developing the act are lies
Prairie Sunshine @ 22
That’s definitely one of the new wingnut talking points — the second paragraph in the Moonie Times article on the hearing led off by describing her as a multimillionaire with a book deal. Ick.
Great insight into Victoria Toensing’s character from Henry Champ:
Enter the secretive Victoria
Scarecrow is on top of this, but the point by CIA Director Hayden was a bit nuanced. First, he’ll only acknowledge that Val worked with CIA since February 2002. (He’ll say nothing about pre 2002 which actually speaks volumes. If she were overt why hide it?)
Second, he makes it clear she was covert, classified, and undercover and that she worked overseas for the CIA. That means, per IIPA, that she was “serving” as the statute requires. Why are these rightwingers acting like mental patients deprived of their meds?
Fern @ 92
wiki;
emptywheel @ 100
Ah — we don’t have the transcipts of her testimony,, so I was working from memory and forgot she also used a “reasonable doubt” standard in that context. Goes to my point that Toensing thinks we should put the CIA on trial, not the leaker. So what should agents conclude? “Well, the IIPA may or may not be an effective deterrent, depending on whether a clever counsel for the defendant in an IIPA trial can convince a jury that the CIA did less than they should have done — and after all, an outing has occurred, so the presumption is ‘no.’” The outing itself becomes a presumption of “reasonable doubt.”
lisadawn82 @ 116
howdy lisadawn82! that sounds exciting, good luck!
emptywheel @ 103: Thank you. Got it. And now I can credit my source. Sorry that I didn’t remember. I just remembered it was a credible one. (Should have been my first clue that it was probably you.)
tommy yum @ 104
I thought she looked pretty jacked up too. Must be that pharmacutical speed they pass out to the heavy hitters..
barbara @
77
I agree with this as well, as I watched the rerun sans kids last night. [My wife said “You’re such a geek TIVO’ing C-SPAN…]
One unfortunate thing I would like to have Toensing been asked is the blatant conflict of interest that she had in writing that Amicus brief for the media consortium in regard to whether Cooper and Miller could be compelled to testify in the first place. Judy Miller’s testimony was key (along with Russert’s) in convicting Libby and would not have taken place in the first place if her arguments, among others, had prevailed; and, to my knowledge, Toensing has never been called on this issue; in other words, T. was part of the effort in trying to throw a spanner in the works of the investigation in the first place.
Finally, I felt that, unfortunately, the rules of the hearing did not allow enough exploration of issues. The lady from California (Watson?) was so slow on reading her questions that it took up a lot of time and enabled T. to stall even more.
Larry Johnson @ 121
emboldened are mine, and that is the best arguement against these neo fascists, cut out their strategy of even engaging as if there is any argument at all, there is not
Larry, a pleasure to see you at the lake
I keep wondering if even you know how extensive brewster jennings and assoicates was…how vast a company, about how many assets used it as cover, etc
whatever is not classified would be great
Larry Johnson @ 120
Hey Larry,
Great to see you here. You just kicked ass on Stephanie Miller.
Larry Johnson in the house!
We are honored.
The part of Toensing’s testimony that stood out to me the most was when she said something along the lines of “she listed the cover company Brewster Jennings on her tax returns! How covert was she trying to be?”
My response was to have an embolism and yell at my TV, “what do you think ‘cover company’ means, you moron?” Unfortunately I don’t recall anyone giving her a richly deserved smackdown for that one.
Larry, if you’re still here, it seems as if some attorneys were fired when initiating an investigation against some “top cia official”
do you know who that official is?
perris @ 117
perris — see the Larry Johnson link in the main post. It’s here.
perris @ 131
If I may, per TPM Muckracker, it was Kyle “Dusty” Foggo, the number 3 man at the CIA at that time.
Christy Hardin Smith @
62
Spiders? I’ve had them give me rats, bunnies, birds, squirrels–you name it. I was watching a movie on TV in the dark one night, and a cat kept coming in and nudging me. I’d reach out, pet him, but I didn’t take my eyes off the screen. When I went to get up, I saw this collection of…dead things…all lined up, very neatly. Mostly the big water bugs we have in East TX, but there were a few june bugs and crickets and spiders. Another cat always decapitated her kills. Every single one of them. I had a gift from her, every single day.
But the ultimate was the cat who gave birth to her litter of four kittens. In my bed. While I was sleeping in it. Right up against me.
Not an experience one forgets, ever.
Scarecrow @ 133
thanx, missed the link up top…going to read and save
perris @ 131
I think that’s Kyle “Dusty” Foggo, perris; see TPM’s last post last evening, excellent coverage again by McClatchy.
lisadawn @ 117—
Thanks for the update on how you’re doing! AmeriCorps sounds like an intriguing possibility. Hope that works out for you. Thanks for asking about my work, I’m going for trip #30 next month to the children’s hospital.
Subpoena them all and let the court sort ‘em out.
Toensing’s a toady at best. I hope Waxman does indeed “parse her statements” for perjury.
thanx for the links all, I have a full morning of research now
things come undone @
33
This is illustrative of both the vacuity and effectiveness of Toesning’s argument. She cannot possibly know the amount of damage that has been done because of Plame’s outing. She can’t possibly know what activities Plame was involved in over the last five years. She can’t possibly know whether, even in her tortured interpretation of the act, it applies to Plame.
But we can’t know any of this stuff either. If it’s really true that covert activity and classified information is keeping the US safe (I have very serious doubts about this–at the very least, a more open source approach to intelligence would have made it harder to justify this war), then the CIA should not tell us the answer to any of these questions.
This leaves Toensing the ability to make these unsupported assertions difficult to contradict using an authoritative response. It is telling, says Larry Johnson in TPMCafe comments yesterday, that Hayden said as much as he did.
In the absence of the CIA’s ability to confirm or deny Toensing’s claims, they will stay in the wingnut ether, and will, as always, make their way into the MSM–via the Washington Post’s editorial pages.
Hi, Mandrake -
Give me an e-mail wrt to what’s happening in your world when ‘ya get a chance.
Larry Johnson @ 120
Larry, thanks for stopping by to emphasize these points approved by Hayden. I don’t think we’ll ever change the wingnuts, but others may still be reachable.
Back On Topic:
The one thing I keep telling people who say that it was the CIA’s fault that Plame was outed is this:
Funny how the CIA managed to protect her covert status for so many years. Until Bush.
Imagine if an agent’s cover was blown after her husband wrote a negative article about Clinton during his administration.
Yowza!
SP (at work) @ 130
Apparently this is a GOP Talking Point, I waded into the cesspool that is links from Instaputz, and found a lot of “she said she worked for Brewster-Jennings” as an argument. They totally ignore Hayden’s statement. This along with the Wilsons are Democrats, Plame admitted it [frankly, that was a classic moment - Plame literally laughed at those goober GOPers] and therefore they are untrustworthy, treasonous, etc.
As an aside, the funniest comment I saw repeated was that Andrea Mitchell is a “liberal”……
It would seem to me that there would be no reason to ever reveal the identify of a NOC spy who had ever been connected with an ongoing intelligence operation such as Brewster-Jennings. Just common sense, yes?
Let’s not get all worked up about the IIPA; that’s not the issue here, although anyone with half a brain can tell that Plame falls under the prerequisites of the statute.
At the end of the day, you still have the OVP playing politics with the identity of a CIA employee (however you parse it). There was absolutely no reason for this to be done, other than to discredit Wilson. They couldn’t attack the veracity of the report itself, so they tried to kill the messenger. That fact alone is thoroughly disgusting, and while it may not be illegal in the strictest technical sense, it gives context to the attitude of the Bush administration with regards to its critics. Nixon had nothing on these jackals.
lisadawn — You think about about making a job switch? Good for you, if you can find something you like better. (Although I’ll mis being able to grab a cuppa coffee with you in DC. *g*)
Why is Toestink so proud of drafting a law that does not work? She has done the country a disservice — if not betrayed it — by writing a law that can not be enforced, and does not express the will of the congress. Is she really a double agent afterall?
This question should be asked of her. Repeatly. Then maybe she will STFU.
With “patriots” like her, who needs traitors.
Wow. You’re really good.
Thanks for putting a logical assessment together to support what we all intuitively figured.
The Mrs. Haversham reference is right, complete with a self-recommendation for her legal services.
Larry Johnson @ 121
Is that a serious question? ;)
Scarecrow @
39
This does raise an issue that drives me a little batty. It’s very easy to say something like “She wasn’t covert. The law doesn’t apply.” over and over again.
It’s not very easy to say “Yes she was” in a way that refutes the false claim. Even when you take the time to carefully refute the false claim, you keep the claim in the air.
It’s like with Cheney, Iraq and al qaeda. As long as he and Bush are willing to say something false and pithy like “fight them there so we don’t have to fight them here” or even just “9/11 changed everything so we must (fill in the blank),” it will be very difficult to stamp out the false meme. On the war, we couldn’t do it in time to win the 04 elections.
The tactic of the Big Lie is a very powerful one.
THIS JUST IN!
egregious @ 138
Good for you. I don’t think I could do that. I’d end up crying the entire time. I’m such a sucker for little kids/people who can’t defend themselves.
egregious @
100
Leahy Intends to Subpoena White House Officials
Good morning, all.
Great post – though reading it makes my head hurt. A lot. I have a very difficult time understanding why ANYONE who has any sense of patriotic duty, ANYONE who cares about human life, ANYONE who wants to protect the country would ever make an argument that it’s okay for people in our goverment to publically identify a CIA agent. Under any circumstances, period.
It is astonishing to me that loyal Republicans like Toensing are so blinded by partisanship that they’ll try to twist interpretation of laws to make the act of publically identifying a secret agent okay.
According to the logic by anyone who spouts the nonsense that Republicans like Toensing is trying to sell:
- It is perfectly legitimate to put our spy program at risk just for political gain.
- It is just fine to put the lives of dozens, maybe hundreds of US spies who specialize in WMD in the middle east (spies, their families, and everyone in their acquaintence and their families) to try and save political face.
This argument requires the complete suspension of common sense and decency on many levels.
What the hell has perverted America’s thinking that ANYONE in their right mind would think it is patriotic to expose our spies in order to score political points?
(stepping away from the computer to take a deep breath)
Pectopah @ 147
I expect Toensing has “exaggerated” her role in drafting the statute, as is her uh, custom. Larry Johnson’s post makes this point. But if she wants to take credit for a statute she interprets as essentially useless in protecting spies, I’ll let her.
As always scarecrow, great job.
I am going to link to what I think of as the definitive Toensing takedown, though. It’s Marcinkowski’s piece at Larry Johnson’s No Quarter and it brings both the CIA (he was an agent) and legal (he’s been a prosecutor) ends together, ties them neatly and lo & behold, they form a noose into which Toensing sticks her neck.
http://noquarter.typepad.com/m…..secre.html
A couple of days before that piece, Larry had another piece up, “Was She Covert” where I tucked in a few observations about how it is not a mystery beyond resolution, when drafting, to insert a residency or term of location requirement (it’s done all the time).
When one of the commentors felt compelled to chide that Larry didn’t understand statutory analysis and had never argued before a court or stayed up late working on paperwork for a billion dollar deal,
Do you have any experience studying the law? Ever argued a case in front of a judge? Ever worked until 4 AM putting together the paperwork for a billion dollar financing? Ever worked with lobbyists and legislators to draft amendments and legislation? Ever spent the night in a Chevy Suburban with three INS agents, two illegal immigrants and one bottle of Scotch?
I added my 2 cents.
about that billion dollar deal …
I don’t claim to be the first to have said it, although it is so obvious it might just have gone without saying for a long time, but with respect to Toensing:
If she was in charge of drafting to make sure that agents only traveling abroad on specific dangerous operation had no coverage – she’s a bad drafter.
Seriously, there are multiple sections to the covert definition, all using different requirements and only one using “residence” as a requirement. Again, location is not a big drafting mystery. Inheritance, tax, employment, non-competition, etc. etc. etc. – it’s used everywhere.
Toensing and all the others working on and voting for the legislation would not need a special Skull and Crossbones decoder ring to figure out how to make residence a requirement where it was intended to be a requirment.
This is getting better every day.
You folks should be required reading in every law school in the country. Doubtless. that has already occured spontaneously, if not by assignment.
Along with the exertise displayed by Sacrecrow, the original poster, we have the considerable benefit of continued expert commentary fron the FDL crew(such as Marcy at 103)to clarify questions that arise while reading the post.
I can’t say enough how much I appreciate this perpetual lesson in law and civics.
Thanks again, and, like so many other fast-talking bloggers who have learned to listen instead of spouting voluminously, I humbly lurk, awaiting the latest tidbits of Truth you folks provide.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 62
Wow. My cat just brings up the dirty laundry as “gifts”. Dirty underwear he delivers during a dinner party is not as scary as a spider, but still rather unpleasant. It doesn’t matter how much of a barrier I build to the laundry system – he can get in there.
David Ehrentsein @ 152 –
What a crock of s*** that article was. How do these people keep their jobs?
jayackroyd @ 150
I think the push back is asking them pointedly,
“Is this more of your reality-creation process?”
They may be entitled to their opinions, but not their own facts; it’s a fact that the CIA thought a crime had been committed. It’s a fact that the CIA believed Plame to be covert and covered.
The rest is Toensing’s red-dye addled opinion.
Jay @ 126
Somebody let her into Scooter Libby’s beta blockers stash.
LandOfTheFree 153: — yeah, it makes you wonder what their priorities are, what, if any, higher loyalties they have and how they justify that. Lots written on that, by John Dean, Glenn Greenwald, and our own Pachacutec. The sheer magnitude of the disregard for truth is beyond my understanding.
Larry Johnson @ 121
One of my favorite moments (if one can be said to enjoy seeing Toensing speak) is when someone started hitting her on her use of the word, “stationed” in her WaPo atrocity. She said something like, “Well, it goes to the idea.” Of course, she said that after a long harangue of the specificity of the language of IIPA. So I guess one only needs to be specific when it’s convenient for Toensing? Huh. I guess we knew that.
EW: beta blockers calm you down instead of jacking you up (love the notion that Scooter was on ‘em, trying to look calm when he knew his defense was in the toilet).
because the staff is too busy with ‘cross’ ????
Rayne @ 80
You, too? We must be one big family. Things are getting a bit better for me now. I’m not automatically written off as a crackpot. Four years of disaster in Iraq plus Katrina plus Libby plus the DA’s are finally making a small dent in my entourage. It’s odd. It was evident almost from the start that we had a government that put endsd above means. Even I wouldn’t have predicted the degree to which they could go. But then, I hardly knew anything about Rove or Cheney.
Good discussion at DU of whether Teonsing actually wrote or helped int he draftingof the IIAP.
http://www.democraticundergrou…..183#436371
Magnificent post scarecrow and some very illuminating comments as well. I watched some of Ms. Toestink’s testimony and admired the way Waxman refused to let her bullshit. The way she tried to define the IIPA they should have named it the IILPA or Intelligence Identtiy Leakers Protection Act, cause apparently its sole purpose is to protect people like Rove and Libby from charges of negligent (or with intent) homicide, referring to Valerie Plame’s former contacts etc.
As lhp pointed out at comment 18:
Indeed watching her weasel worded performance before the House Committee illustrates just why so many people have so little regard/respect for lawyers and why lawyer jokes involving chains and the bottom of Lake Ontario are so popular.
Justice! @
170
Linky no work?
H.R.4
Title: A bill to amend the National Security Act of 1947 to prohibit the unauthorized disclosure of information identifying certain United States intelligence officers, agents, informants, and sources.
Sponsor: Rep Boland, Edward P. (introduced 1/5/1981) Cosponsors (52)
Latest Major Action: 6/23/1982 Became Public Law No: 97-200.
SUMMARY AS OF:
5/20/1982–Conference report filed in House. (There are 4 other summaries)
(Conference report filed in House, H. Rept. 97-580)
Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982 – Amends the National Security Act of 1947 to establish criminal penalties for any person who knowingly discloses information which identifies a U.S. covert intelligence agent.
Establishes a maximum penalty of ten years’ imprisonment and/or a $50,000 fine for any person who, having had authorized access to classified information which identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses such information.
Establishes a maximum penalty of five years’ imprisonment and/or a $25,000 fine for any person who, having had authorized access to classified information, learns the identity of a covert agent and intentionally discloses such information.
Establishes a maximum penalty of three years’ imprisonment and/or a $15,000 fine for any person who, in the course of a “pattern of activities intended to identify” covert agents and with “reason to believe” that such activities would impair U.S. foreign intelligence activities, discloses information identifying an agent.
Directs the President to report annually to the congressional intelligence committees on measures to protect the identities of covert agents.
9/23/1981:
Passed House (Amended) by Yea-Nay Vote: 354 – 56 (Record Vote No: 219).
10/6/1981:
Received in the Senate.
10/6/1981:
Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under Regular Orders. Calendar No. 294.
3/18/1982:
Considered by Senate.
3/18/1982:
Passed Senate in lieu of S. 391 with an amendment by Yea-Nay Vote. 90-6. Record Vote No: 55.
3/18/1982:
Senate insists on its amendments, asks for a conference, appoints conferees Thurmond; Denton; East; Biden; Leahy; Chafee; Lugar; Jackson; Bentsen.
3/23/1982:
House Disagreed to Senate Amendments by Unanimous Consent.
3/23/1982:
House Agreed to Request for Conference and Speaker Appointed Conferees: Boland, Mazzoli, Fowler, Hamilton, Mineta, Rodino, Edwards (CA), Robinson, Ashbrook, McClory, Hyde.
5/19/1982:
Conferees agreed to file conference report.
5/20/1982:
Conference Report 97-580 Filed in House.
6/2/1982:
Considered by House Vote on Conference Report Postponed Until June 3 1982.
6/3/1982:
House Agreed to Conference Report by Yea-Nay Vote: 315 – 32 (Record Vote No: 131).
6/10/1982:
Conference report considered in Senate.
6/10/1982:
Senate agreed to conference report by Yea-Nay Vote. 81-4. Record Vote No: 170.
6/10/1982:
Cleared for White House.
6/14/1982:
Measure Signed in Senate.
6/15/1982:
Presented to President.
6/23/1982:
Signed by President.
6/23/1982:
Became Public Law No: 97-200.
Mary4 — as always, thanks for the insights and the links back to Marcinkowski’s post. You’d think we shouldn’t have to make the most obvious arguments — but we do, and we have to keep doing it.
the Miss Haversham reference is a keeper – I kept thinking she looked like Bruce Cutler ’splaining to Gotti’s victims ;)
Scarecrow @ 162
Yes – it is especially difficult to understand how far they gyrate and still consider their opinions to be “patriotic”. I keep hearing loyal Bushies saying things like “Plame is lying” and “maybe she was actually a double agent”, which is so astonishing on many levels when it comes from people who consider themselves “tough on terrorists” and spout nonsense like “the Democrats want to let the evildoers destroy America.”
Scarecrow @ 133
I just read the link scarecrow, while larry challenges toenails role in helping design the act there really is no supporting information that I can find to show she didn’t
I would like to see referances from these authors disabusing toenail from her statement that she helped draft the act, while Larry starts out saying she didn’t he really gives us nothing else to go on but his word…we need more then that in order to use it against her
cbl @ 175
That’s the reference I’m looking for – Toensing is a mafia lawyer, defending the indefensible.
LandOfTheFree @ 173
Here’s a question to ask them during a committee hearing: Who are you working for and when did you begin working for them?
Great dissection of the malignant Toestink and her unpatriotic, lying drivel Scarecrow.
How I despised her condescension and how I wish she had been held responsible for her obvious contempt of Congress.
thanks for the heads-up, selise @ 17–verrry interesting hearing, indeed.
waxman is up on c-span right now!
and it’s another case of administration’s attempts to subvert the “intelligence”
this time on climate science:
“Full Committee hearing to Examine Allegations of Political Interference with Government Climate Change Science”
with james hansen (Director, NASA, Goddard Institute for Space Studies) and james connaughton (White House Council on Environmental Quality) testifying.
HotFlash @ 172
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Sorry. I’m trying to get the full link to appear in this comment section. Here is is, just put it all together.
Democratic Underground link.
SP (at work) @ 131
Being not a RePuke Valerie probably filled out her tax returns HONESTLY also!
emptywheel @ 163
Another gem from the photographic mind. Humbling. Thanks Marcy. I could have used the transcript, but haven’t seen it posted yet.
theExile @ 168
As lhp pointed out at comment 18:
Can we forget about her after today? She is making me feel bad about being a lawyer.
Indeed watching her weasel worded performance before the House Committee illustrates just why so many people have so little regard/respect for lawyers and why lawyer jokes involving chains and the bottom of Lake Ontario are so popular.
But then there are the lawyers who post/comment here who make me wish I were an attorney.
Christy Hardin Smith @
62
Christy, things could have been worse. It could have been a scorpion (in other regions of the country, like mine!)
All this talk about the 8 fired US Attorneys. What about the 85 others that do play ball with the Bushies.
I can’t find a link to it, but there was a survey done of corruption cases where it was like 95% Dem to Rep being investigated. The USA in NJ was pretty egregious in the last election.
Justice! at 182 — I fixed the link for you an an embedded link. When you paste in a really long link like that, Wordpress has to truncate it for us, otherwise it busts the margins on the page due to length. I’ve embedded it, so we don’t run into that problem, for you.
In regard to the party loyalty discussion, some little blobs of info gel together in regard to the human condition.
First of all, have you ever noticed how if someone comes up to you to say something negative about so and so, how difficult it is not to nod or agree with their negativity??? It’s almost like we have some hard wired need to validate someone else’s emotional judgmental arguments or perhaps we know that if we do not join with someone on the emotion mind discussion they might shun us.
Our pack animal mentality often leads us to join the negativity. Rare is the person (and I’d like to think that firepups can do this better than most) who sticks to the facts and does not join the emotion mind laden discussion. I am a drama queen myself and have to work very hard at sticking to facts as a discipline…and I can’t always do…and it seems less fun.
I once had a professor who worked as a communications analyst for the cia during the cold war. He would quote Bateson “the map is not the territory.” And he would state that the fall of mankind will occur because of errors of representation. That is that humans have a hard time distinguishing symbol from object. And that this identification error is what leads us down the unreality path, and therefore to our own destruction. (cynical view, but could we evolve??? Please, there is no more capable group that this one.)
So, while I would love to lay it all on the republicans…I think that this problem is deeper and more fundamental than that. We humans have a tendency to “join in” when a perceived attack seems evident. And the current drug dealing, terrorist funding, war profiteering (no judgments there…right??) administration has used power and control in this way. My own personal belief is that unless we uncover this structure of unreality and power and control used to influence, we will be stuck in a self destructive schizmogenic loop.
Humans have the ability to differentiate facts from judgments. E.W has risen to the top because she does this maddenly well as does LHP, etc.
So for me the solution is not to get to deep in the muck of emotion mind and to use my cognitive brain in drawing conclusions. We on this site take our judgments far less seriously (hopefully) and are far more impressed with facts than we are fiction…even if the fiction fits our paradigm.
So we can save our country by being diligent keepers of fact.
To hell with that…Republicans suck!!!!!!!!!!
Ms. Toensing is brilliant ain’t she dissecting that Valerie Plame gave her identity away cuz she used her cover story as hercover story
BillE @ 184
GREAT POINT!!!
I smell another blogger breaking another story here!
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 187
In one of his posts refuting Toensing’s WaPo op-ed, Larry had some fun with that line of “reasoning.” The point of having and using the cover is to, uh, provide cover.
GREAT POINT!!!
I smell another blogger breaking another story here!
perris @ 191
I read they were toening the line.
pun intended
LJ/Aquaria @ 135
Personally, I like spiders. Especially garden spiders and hunting spiders, the former for their webs and the latter just because I think they’re cool.
The three cat highlights of my youth were 1) the time she brought in a half dead baby rabbit into the middle of my parents’ dinner party. I was the one who had to take it outside and kill it, by hitting in the head with rock. 2) the time she brought in a still living flying squirrel (how does a cat catch a flying squirrel?) that got away from her. It glided from timbered beam to timbered beam (18th century house) for at least half an hour before we caught it. 3) the same kitten birth experience. She had five. I was sleeping facedown, legs splayed. She had them between my legs.
theExile @ 183
Aren’t people’s tax returns confidential? How did Valerie’s W-2 get to be public knowledge? That’s a leak I have not seen addressed. Should be criminally actionable, or at least the hell should be investigated out of it.
BillE @ 187
David Kurtz of Talkingpointsmemo had a good post this weekend of democrats questioning the motivation of the U.S. Attorney in Pittsburgh for just this reason. Here is the link David Kurtz provided …
LinktoPittsTV
I was talking to a Republican lawyer I know this weekend. He is PISSED about Gonzales. He said that every corruption case that a U.S. Attorney brings against a Democrat will now be questioned. Gonzales not only let the DOJ smear the eight that were fired – he smeared the rest of them too. Now they look all look like hacks.
holy cow! waxman’s got george deutsch (”Big Bang is a theory”) testifying under oath.
I wish that during the hearing one of the panelists had asked Toensing straight up: “Wouldn’t the CIA continue to keep Ms. Plame’s pre-2003 status classified? If so, how would you know if she were covered under this law you helped draft to protect her? And furthermore, if she were NOT covered under this law, why would the investigation have taken place? Wouldn’t it have been stopped as soon as the Agency stated that she wasn’t covered? Why all this brouhaha for something that you state equivically was not against the law?”
Here’s an email I sent to my dad after he praised Toensing’s appearance. I threw him a bone at the beginning…
“For the most part, you’re right about Toensing. She helped write that law and knows what it takes to be charged with a crime under it. However, Plame definitely was “covert” or “undercover. ” Her affiliation with the CIA was classified information. That doesn’t by itself necessarily mean that she “qualified” under the law Toensing helped write, but not “qualifying” under that law doesn’t in any way lessen her covert status. Of course, it IS possible that she was legally covert but hadn’t traveled out of the country during the past five years. Toensing said that she had not spoken with anyone from the CIA and so she did not know for sure that Plame didn’t qualify under the act. She said that to her knowledge Plame didn’t qualify, despite the fact that two hours earlier Plame stated that she had traveled covertly on secret missions outside of the country during the past five years. There’s no reason that Toensing would have any idea whether Plame would qualify as all of that information is classified.
Additionally, why would Richard Ashcroft initiate a Department of Justice investigation if they felt Plame didn’t qualify? Wouldn’t they have gone to the CIA and asked whether she qualified? If the CIA said “no,” wouldn’t they have stopped the investigation (this became Fitzgerald’s case after Ashcroft recused himself a few months later)? To my thinking, the CIA must have said that Plame did qualify in order for them to continue to investigate. And Fitzgerald hasn’t closed his investigation–it’s inactive. According to Fitzgerald, Libby’s lying and obstruction of justice ensured that Fitzgerald couldn’t fully investigate the charges.
Finally, it was revealed during the hearing yesterday (I watched the whole thing last night) that the White House never started an internal investigation as it is required to do. To me it seems obvious why they wouldn’t investigate it since they knew exactly what they did. But as you say, that’s really besides the point. They blew a very important asset to send a message to people who would question the White House–”we’ll destroy you.” I don’t even buy that they were trying to destroy Wilson’s credibility. Who cared why he went there? Who would want to travel to Niger?
Sorry for the long post…
I was wondering if anyone knows how many times the IIPA has been used to successfully prosecute anyone. I heard or read somewhere that this law was successfully applied only once since its inception in 1988. I’d like to get to the truth of that, and if it’s true, I’d like to see that argument used more, since it’s so obviously an effective law with no real purpose.
closing tags?
[Mod Note; refresh and all will be well.]
selise @ 197
Isn’t that the guy who didn’t graduate from Texas A&M like he said he did?
perris @ 190
That one has already come up at TPM or Muckraker.
New thread: looseheadprop on deck.
Fresh thread, up and running for everyone, from looseheadprop.
I think what the other 85 AG are doing needs to be investigated. What political investigations have they let political heads in their state, or in their political party, interfer in? Sounds like this was the reason they were chose. They are yes men/women. They can be controlled. They are puppets.
Did someone break the margins? Not that I mind, the bigger margins actually cover my whole page if I move to the middle of the page. (I have already refreshed.)
saint henry (revdeb taught me to refer to waxman in this way) is absolutely tearing connaughton (ex-oil industry lobby hack) a new one!
i gotta go make myself some more coffee… but, i highly recommend this one to all fans of oversight, truthful non-partisan science (give truth back!) and saving the planet.
It looked like Victoria spent an hour with the eye makeup before saying fuck it, let’s go Boris.
Rayne @ 161
I think you have to be stronger than that–”this is just BS.”–if you’re gonna take that tack.
But, IMO, that doesn’t work either. They don’t care about whether what they’re saying is true or not. What they want to do is take truth out of the game, and make everything from evolution to the death rate in Iraq a “partisan issue.”
I had a conversation over the weekend with a guy, an young investment banker type, who was spouting all of Toesning’s talking points. That’s their goal. To get the Big Lie into the ether and keep it there. There’s little we can do about this as long as the media sticks with a “he said she said” approach to journalism.
LJ/Aquaria @ 198
Isn’t that the guy who didn’t graduate from Texas A&M like he said he did?
yep. and he just testified under oath that it was an innocent mistake.
Ann in AZ @ 200
Sara says that the one conviction was a plea bargain. I thought it was in a post today, but I’ve looked back through the last 6 posts and can’t locate it. More coffee.
1,460 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Bluetoe and the Firepup Patriots:
“…the goal that party loyalty played in their goal of destroying the Weimar Republic.”
There are many, many more examples of similarities to fascist/Nazi tactics by the American fascist party and the vehicle for implementation of fascist goals is not just the executive and judicial arms of government…corporations, working thru and independently of the executive branch of our government, act to destabilize governments, wage war, kill political leaders and expropriate resources in sovereign countries.
But this should not come as a surprise to anyone with minimal knowledge of American political history…the American oligarchy has direct lines back to and through the Nazi Party in Germany. Prescott Bush, Henry Ford, IBM, General Motors all had substantial and lucrative investments in and with Hitlers Germany. The Bush family was up to it’s eyeballs in financing the Krupp arms operation in WWI.
So let’s start calling the political monster we are fighting by it’s correct name: fascism. We must reclaim the political vocabulary and apply the terrible swift sword of the Constitution to these criminals.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THIS IS THE LAST BATTLE THEIR GUNNA LET US FIGHT!!!
i haven’t had time to read all of the responses, which i will do later this evening but i just wanted to say
given the absurdity and effrontery of toensing’s appearance i wonder just one thing:
is there something that we’re missing here? is there some cogent purpose to what she and the rest of these people are doing?
great post, swopa.
As a lawyer who has actually had to work at interpreting precise statutory language according to the esoteric demands of legal statutory construction principles, I salute this first and long overdue notice that I’ve seen taken of the obvious fact that if that soulless bitch Toensig is to be taken at all seriously in her curent arguments, then obviously she should retreat from her pose of prideful ownership as a drafter of the identity protection statute. If her twisted partisan current “interpretation” is at all correct, then it is clear that she helped draft one of the most poorly constructed statutes in the history of man and law, and should never be taken seriously again as a lawyer by anybody.
BillE @ 184, TPM had a report last week that KDKA in Pittsburgh was questioning their US attorney’s investigations of Democrats. Tried to link but failed.
selise @
211
yep. and he just testified under oath that it was an innocent mistake.
BULLSHIT.
Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
You don’t say you graduated from a university if you didn’t, unless you’re lying. Especially lying to impress someone and thinking you won’t get caught.
I’m wondering why he picked A&M. I mean, it’s a great college and all, but, if yer gonna fake it, pick Harvard or Rice or Pepperdine.
A&M????
jayackroyd @ 195
This will gross out Christy–but I love spiders. I once lived in a basement apartment in a ravine that was infested with these crazy milipedes. But then one day we stopped cleaning the spider webs up–we left one at the front door, one at the back, and one in teh bathroom.
Voila. No more milipedes. Just us and our three pet spiders, who kept our house clean. It was wonderful.
Lets suppose for a minute that the following “why should anyone rely on lawyers like Toensing to explain the law or protect our spies?” might the ‘anyone’ include Robert Novak. What if, in the small town where everyone knows everyone else, Novakula called his good friend Vicky and asked her if it would be OK to out this pesky CIA operative who had been refusing to play along during the run up to war. And what if Vicky had said, “Yeah, Bob. I wrote the law and she’s not covert, so go ahead. I’ve got your back.”
Why doesn’t someone ask Vicky if Novakula talked to her prior to July 11, 2003?
Just suppose.
OldCoastie @
88
Late to the party from taking friend to the airport. That’s an excellent article, OldCoastie. If only the print edition didn’t have it buried on p.A9.
L.A. Times did come through w/front page lengthy article detailing the facts in Carol Lam’s firing:
Alarm Rises Over Firing of U.S. Atty in San Diego
Christy Hardin Smith @ 202
How am I supposed to get any work done? :)
Couldn’t you guys have, you know, something like a ……commercial break???
Scarecrow @
92
I also recall that it came out in the this document also carried a very special designation.
That designation was itself so secret that it was redacted from the document…a word that indicated a particular COVERT OPERATION was involved…and that the OPERATIONAL TITLE at the header was removed. Hence, anyoneat the high levels of the government seeing this CODE WORD would know that they were dealing with National Security material in toto.
Passing on this information to individuals NOT-IN-THE=NEED-TO-KNOW (NITNIKS) would not only breach their security clearances but make them subject to criminal prosecution.
Am I the only one who thinks Cheney asked Toesuck if Val were covert and Toesuck said no. Now Toesuck is trying to justify her answer to Cheney.
We keep thinking Toesuck is on trial with us. I wonder if, in reality, she is on trial with Cheney and the boys.
LJ/Aquaria @ 217
BULLSHIT.
Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
You don’t say you graduated from a university if you didn’t, unless you’re lying. Especially lying to impress someone and thinking you won’t get caught.
I’m wondering why he picked A&M. I mean, it’s a great college and all, but, if yer gonna fake it, pick Harvard or Rice or Pepperdine.
A&M????
He *almost* graduated from A&M. A real proper alumnus from around the same time said gee, I don’t remember seeing that name in the Alumi mag, and made enquiries. That’s how he was rumbled.
IntelVet @ 223
I have no idea of that is true, but I sure hope it is. Delightful! Hoist, meet petard!
IntelVet @ 223
cheney is just such a moron as to ask toenail about the status of a cia operative
cheney seems to carry off that he has some kind of intelect when in fact he is a moron and I for one would like all democrats to start laughing when someone says his name
give a little chuckle like “you mean the moron” chuckle
like a slight gufaw holding back your laugh and ask with indredulity;
“you are using cheney as your authority?”
and then laugh it off like they are some kind of jokester
that would be great wouldn’t it?
katherine graham cracker @
114
Well someone should ask if Anus actually watched the hearing.
Nope…ANUS WAS PONTI-DEFECATING ON HIS SHOW AT THAT MOMENT.
jayackroyd @ 207
I would ask a question then, that forces them to think.
Why didn’t the CIA kill the investigation if Plame wasn’t covert?
Why didn’t Ashcroft, Comey, Goss, Negroponte kill the investigation since they each had a chance to do so?
Why did Ashcroft recuse himself if Plame wasn’t covert?
Then let them spin.
cheney is right now in the streets of baghdad recieving flowers. its on tv. on the channel nobody gets. and never will.
I wonder if anyone (Larry) thinks that Hayden may have allowed the release of this information about Plame’s covert status under pressure from Tenet.
Tenet certainly would want to respond to this issue in his new book and has held of release on the book hitting the stores. I suspect that had to do with getting the necessary Declassifications to discuss the Plame Scandal and the whole WH WMD manipulation.
So Hayden was under the pressure from the BIG GUN who may have even suggested that he would use the material (and perhaps more, arguing that it was “critical to public discourse” ~ a la the Pentagon Papers) if Hayden didn’t declassify the material.
Once Hayden negotiated a deal as to what material would be allowed…Tenet could have called Plame and said “Go to Hayden…he’s declassified stuff about your status…you can use it.”
That’s my guess as to why, after years of stonewalling by Porter Goss and Hayden, that they finally allowed Val to say that she was COVERT and that she had travelled abroad in the service of the Agency within the 5 years of the exposure by the White House officials.
Great Job…But this all because Toensing is one of those GOP Hacks (to paraphrase Al Franken) who Lies, tell Lying Lies and is a Lying Liar!
Toensing’s arguments would essentially have allowed individuals like Aldrich Ames the ability to expose Covert Agents and sources pretty much at will. After all, if you din’t explicitly KNOW that the individual was currently protected (living abroad), that the agent wasn’t still providing intell, and that the agency wasn’t making affirmative efforts to protect the agents/sources then you could even give their names to enemies. The leaker would have to KNOW all that!
Toensing seems like a lawyer for for the KGB and Al Qaida! Why does she hate our intelligence assets so much! Why does she hate AMERICA?
egregious @
112
Actually the wicked stepmother, IIRC, was quite good looking, if just a bit on the dark side. No comparison to VT, who’s not even that. And probably much darker.
scarecrow @ 185
Some of my best and oldest friends are attorneys, and lawyers with respect for the law and the Constitution are people I admire, but you have to admit as a profession they tend to be held in low esteem. I think car salesmen are more respected today.
Reprehensible excuses for lawyers like Ms. ToeStink, unfortunately paint other lawyers with the same brush with which she paints her stinky toes. If the Bar Association was more about respect for the law than the care and protection of legal tradesmen, people like ToeCheese and Abu would have to find another profession.
HotFlash at 196
A very good point which hadn’t even crossed my mind!
Phoenix Woman @ 49
Similar to what Rayne pointed out in #44 in reference to Toensing being a lawyer:
“Never worry a second we would ever think that THING was in the same profession. Toensing is clearly a propagandiste — totally different profession.”
Gloria Swanson won an Academy Award as the Best Actress in a Leading Role. Toensing is not an actress at even the lowest level. Toensing could possibly win an a award as the best propagandiste, but I don’t even think she deserves any recognition there.
Sunset Boulevard won 3 oscars, 13 other wins, and 13 nominations. It is one of the very best films of all time. In no way is Sunset Boulevard similar to the crap show from the Bush group.
Phoenix Woman take a deep breath and get back to your normal superb self. Even you can make a mistake. You sure goofed this time. I forgive you, but don’t do it again.
dmg @ 71
theExile @ 233
IANAL, but a few years ago I argued against a proposed rezoning in front of our township’s planning commission. The arguement was effective.
I was then asked if I was a lawyer. I wasn’t sure if I had just been complimented or insulted.
Sorry, but something always goes awry with the quotes and where my reply appears. Hope to learn, eventually
Just read the article this am and if I remember correctly the original article that was read by the Whithouse gang about the trip was classified, which means any info in that was secret and was not to be discussed.
PunchPrincess @
219
I was wondering about this as well. In the Digby post linked in the post above, Toensing gives a very strange answer when asked by Van Hollen “Do you think White House officials have any obigation at all — put aside the techinical legal obligation — as stewards of our national security — when they find out that someone works for the Central Intelligence Agency, do you think they have any obligation to the citizens of this country to find out before telling the press about it, whether that disclosure would compromise sensitive information? As citizens ofthis country, wouldn’t you want that to be the standard?”(to which Van Hollen goes “What?”) that a press secretary should always be accurate.
As I stated in comments above, we cannot lose sight that Toensing represented various media companies in the investigative period of what would become the Libby case and has been given free reign by the Washington Post to use the editorial pages to, among other things, make an attempt at jury nullification.
Mr. Cheney protects his people by refusing to say who they are or what secrets they create. Ms. Toensing, however, argues that the CIA must out its covert agents in order to protect them. An arrangement only Joe Stalin could appreciate.
The CIA appears to have sufficiently protected Ms. Plame’s covert identity. They are not responsible when the White House circumvents those protections for partisan gain.
Ms. Toensing, despite her street corner hair style, is playing a dangerous game. She is not parsing her statute; she could not without having the necessary facts, which she acknowledged she lacks. She is deliberately misstating it, while implying that no other relevant laws imperil her unacknowledged client: the Bush administration.
Apparently, neither Armitage, nor Rove, Libby, Cheney or the President reported the intentional or negligent disclosure of national security data to appropriate investigative authorities. Even after telling the public they were self-investigating. Even after the CIA formally complained to Justice. In fact, they began no investigation, and quite possibly blocked it (obstruction?), until Justice was forced to commence a criminal inquiry.
Ms. Toensing should be careful. There are limits to permitted zealous advocacy. For instance, a lawyer has no right to omit or misstate relevant law (at least in an official proceeding). One can only argue that it does not apply. As in true for Mr. Bush, Ms. Toensing’s reach seems to exceed her grasp.
It occurs to me that this mgith also have been done by OVP to destroy Brewster Jennings. Did they want accurate intelligence information flowing through the system? Obviously they did not. They wanted the Rumsfeld-Pentagon brand of intelligence. Brewster-Jennings was a thorn in their duplicitous side.
So by outing V Plame they killed two birds with one stone – Wilson and the whole rewster Jennings operation.
Just a thought.
good post scarecrow. it’s a little frightening to watch Toensing testify and try to understand the state of mind that twists and contorts and defends an indefensible act. she clearly sees plame as an dangerous enemy. how fuc*ed up is that? ideology is a powerful influence and toensing’s analytical skills are hostage to a misconstrued set of facts and warped beliefs.
mulligatawny @ 238 – thank you for the link! Great ‘not seeing’ article. That happens to me, too, with the quotes sometimes.
scarecrow, thank you for a terrific post.
“But what Victoria Toensing proved Friday is that she has either egregiously misinterpreted the statute to render it unworkable or egregiously mis-drafted a statute that does not do what it purports to do.”
So this is the win-win moment….
Let the Reformation of the Operations (or the fun) begin!!!
and the Exile @234. You arent going to like this, then: Valerie’s W2 forms (the ones from Brewster Jennings) were shared by 2 ‘Senior White House Officials’ with Bob Novak “of all people.” This has been mentioned a few times. Someone suggested a referral to the IRS IG (with an annotated copy of Anatomy of Deceit) was in order. oops. lunchtime is definitely over.
Heartwarming to see the sudden concern among lefties for the CIA and its protocols.
Fred Garvin @
248
Yeah baby, I’m feeling the love now—-
One of the problems may be that this wound up being somewhat of a porrly worded statute. For example, the statute requires that:
“the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent’s intelligence relationship to the United States”
Well, one problem I see is that if an agent is a “covert agent” under the statute in the first place, then almost BY DEFINITION there is an assumption that the US is concealing that relationship–why else would the agent be covert, for God sakes.
By including that requirement, it almost creates the possibility that there are some covert agents where the US is not taking “affirmative measures” to conceal the relationship(thus, no violation of the statute), and other situations where the US IS taking affirmative measures to conceal such relationship. So what does ‘”affirmative measures” and isn’t it intuitive that if one is ‘covert” the US is ALWAYS taking affirmative measures to conceal, by classifying the agent as covert in the first place.
The point is, the language of the statute is poorly drafted, fcreating ambiguities and making prosecutions difficult.
I hold no quarter for Toensing, but i’m an attorney–and ambiguities in sttautes create problems. Has anyone gone back to see if there is any legislative history on these issues?
Fred Garvin @
248
There is no one at this site who thinks it’s okay to expose the secret identities/employment/cover of the nation’s spies or to put their lives in jeopardy through such exposure. Any suggestion to the contrary is simple false.
somewhat OT — this is so wrong…but does anyone else think of Toonces the Cat (and his driving), everytime you see this woman speak?
Toonces, look oooooouuuuuuutttt!