
Monsignieur Tim seems to be struggling these days. Russert's background is as a political operative, not as a journalist, and so it must be disorienting to him to be judged as a member of the fourth estate and not as a connoseiur of Lynn Cheney's famous chili. One can almost sense in his Meet the Press performance yesterday some -- dare we say it -- prickliness to being known as Cheney's bitch, because he almost seemed to be crediting the war's critics with having been right there for a moment. Mostly he seems like he just did not know what to say. Granted whoever booked the Bugman and future Hollinger witness Richard Perle to speak on behalf of the war did its advocates no favors, but perhaps that is how far one has to reach toward the bottom of yonder barrell before one finds someone willing to publicly do so these days.
Anyway, just in case you were wondering, anyone calling for a timeline is now a traitor:
Russert: Mr. DeLay, you raise an interesting point in your political column...you talked about congressmen advocating withdrawal, and you conclude by saying "yes, I am questioning their patriotism." Why is that?DeLay: Well, I, it is my opinion that when you go to war, we ought to all come together. You can debate going to war, that's a legitimate debate. But once you have our soldiers and our young people dying on the battlefield, we should come together. We shouldn't have what we had yesterday on the mall of...of...in Washington DC -- those are not in my mind, in my opinion patriots that are talking about impeaching the commander in chief, that work as Tom's group works to set a date undermine...
Russert: But is setting a date for withdrawal...
DeLay: I think that's aiding and abetting the enemy. When you tell the enemy what your strategy is, that is aiding and abetting the enemy because they can use that strategy to come back and harm your soldiers.
Blue America candidate Joe Sestak handled himself superbly and was quick to remind Yellow Elephant DeLay that he had publicly opposed the war in Kosovo and hadn't engaged in much "coming together" (I seem to recall a little something about impeachment at that time as well, maybe Digby will remember). It was really heartwarming to see Sestak and his 31 years of military service called "unpatriotic" by Hot Tub Tom. Sestak was the supreme adult among children, the sagacious voice of wisdom and experience that inspired confidence and did much to reshape the pervasive GOP meme that Democrats are "mommy party" cowards. I realize there are many other ideas about who the face of the party should be when it comes to Iraq, and there is a tendency to feature the one that joins DeLay in calling us traitors. Still, it's something to think about.
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Jane!
Jane!
Did we tie? Both at 2:12 . . .
Tis a tie indeed!
I loved Russert plugging DeLay’s book. I was just a good thing I hadn’t eaten breakfast yet.
BTW: Why wasn’t TD in State of Texas overalls? Isn’t that overdue?
We need to get this guy into prison fast! I thought he was under indictment. Is there a trial in the foreseeable future? Is DeLay trying to rehabilitate himself like Nixon tried to?
An interesting question RW. When is the trial?
RealWorld @ 5
Yeah it was nice of him to offer DeLay the opportunity to do that. Quite thoughtful, in fact. I think he gave Conason the same opportunity, didn’t he?
Oh, maybe not.
So announcing a vague withdrawal wish under a set of vague conditions with vague off ramps is revealing your strategy, but when our own generals explain the details of clear, hold, rebuild (or whatever), describe how may US soldiers will work side by side with Iraqis at identified security posts in Baghdad — none of that conveys any useful information to whoever the enemy is this week. It’s hard to know how to be loyal these days.
angie @
4
angie, did you trot out your temporary name for St. Patrick’s Day this year?
Damn Jane,
Chemo is not slowing you down at all. You haven’t lost a step.
I’m gald to see you in such fine form
I am sure Tom would have had a different view of the balkan war had dick cheney discovered oil under kosovo. It was a great moment for Sestak and this country- someone finally telling-off this vacant malathion huffer.
It’s never far from my mind, punaise.
LOL and thank you.
Fantastic essay by Ms. Vanden Heuvel here:
linky
angie @ 13
:~)
I got a letter from Joe Sestak the other day. But I think I should send whatever I can (to whomever) through Blue America…so we can all make a bigger impact together, correct?
How dare that despicable, venal little shit hijack the language of the Constitution. Fuck him runnin’.
I keep thinking of how they shut down Toensing’s babbling during the hearing: “I’m reclaiming my time.”
The least we can do, seeing we’ll never get those years of our lives back.
looseheadprop @
11
Day four, good appetitite, tired but I’m still angry about the war and pissed at Joe Lieberman.
Guess I’m okay.
That ‘harms the soldiers’ narrative has to be pushed back, its a load of crap.
CBC ran the full movie ‘The Ground Truth’, in place of a news segment last night,
I wish it would get that kind of air-time in the U.S. Punk’s like DeLay wouldn’t get
a chance to use that kind of crap.
I posted last thread about having watched ‘The Ground Truth’ last night..
By the way, the whole movie, is available on google video for those who want to watch it,
though I recommend buying it as well, that kind of documentary journalism needs to be supported.
google video
Here’s the amazon link.
amazon link
Gonna be modded for the linkage, but here goes.
[Mod Note; we live to serve.]
My favorite quote was from former Representative Tom Andrews:
I want to complain! I wonder if Timmeh would take my call?
Jane Hamsher @ 17
Your brain’s still working just fine.
The thing that bothers me most about the republic party is how they really believe they are entitled to hold the office they were elected to and ignore the will of those who sent them there to begin with. Until we get rid of the lobbyists, I fear our elected officials will continue to ignore us.
Gnome de Plume @ 20
I tried, he wouldn’t even take my email.
Bless you, dear Jane. My thoughts are with you. The “linebacker” approach will serve you well to bust through this shit.
ThinkProgress reports the following:
CNN: 2,000 page document dump tonight
Better than fine!
Gnome de Plume @ 20
in case Timmeh’s busy taking Scooter’s call, you can email him here.
It’s an outrage Timmeh allowed Delay on the program. Were Bugman still in Congress, Congressman Sestak would be entirely within his historical rights to thrash Bugman when he next encountered him on the House floor.
Calling a fellow Congressman a traitor is a caning offense.
Not sure if that rule applies to ex-Congressmen, though.
From Raw Story:
Attorney firings may have been against the law
It is amazing how many times today this comment has been on topic:
Dick Cheney Controls Tim Russert.
And if you live in D.C., and you happen to run into Tim Russert, please let him know, as politely as possible, that you know who his real boss is…
It’s great to see Paul Krugman on Hardball. We need to see a lot more of him & the rest of grownups.
tommy yum @ 24
hah!…steamrolling over Joe Lieberman, who will never be confused for former NFL great Dick Butkus. Now, Joey Butt-Kiss, that’s a different story…
Stopping this Iraq war and preventing politicians from starting other unprovoked wars is the most important thing in the world to do. Bar none.
Jane,
Good luck and good health with the chemo. I’m still kicking 10 years after prostrate surgery.
DeLay is a complete jerk and so is Perle. It is so nice to hear someone speak about war that has actually worn a uniform. War is not some fun game using other people’s children as pawns. It is serious business and should only be resorted to in very rare occasions.
…could the Bugman please take out his spray-o-lator and use it on the “future Hollinger witness Richard Perle”, please.. Here’s something they can come together over.
More Attorney Purge emails coming out tonight in the latest document dump.
http://www.time.com/time/natio.....ml?cnn=yes
crap, I tried to look up DeLay’s trial date, the TX DPS site sucks
Shorter Timmeh: “Bugman, after your buddies like Perle were wrong about everything about Iraq, why shouldn’t America take advice from those who were right about everything?”
Shorter Bugman: “Because they are TRAITORS, Tim!”
Shorter Tim: “Buy Bugman’s Book! Buh-bye!”
Jeesh.
Ironranger @ 30, I didn’t believe Nora O’Donnell when she said Democrats would not appear on MSNBC although they had been invited. Seems they are appearing after the November elections so I suspect they were not asked before that.
Leave us not forget that Barack Obama (the subject of this op-ed) supported Lieberman’s re-election.
tbsa @ 22
The Republican Party today does not believe in litte “d” democracy. They are authoritarians that could care less about the will of the people. They are caught in an ironic trap because although they hate the notion of a representative democracy they are forced to be elected to office. Their belief that “government doesn’t work” is substantiated by their performance.
Woe be to any of my party who cannot see the necessity of peace.
Delay seems to think that the Constitution says that the 1st Amendment on issues that relate to war terminates upon the “non-declaration” of war.
But as pointed out, what was his position on the Balkans…on Somalia…on Haiti.
Apparently, DeLay seems to think that Congress can call for a withdrawal and criticise the government ONLY if the Congressmen are Republican and the President is a Democrat!
But DeLay has never been very good at understanding how laws don’t apply only to people on one side of the aisle…or that laws apply to rich and poor alike, for that matter.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 32
This is bad, granted, but, the fan will hit the S*it when Cheney starts bombing Iran…
Jane, hope all is well and the weather in CT is improving.
Jane,
You are FDL are an american treasure and I consider you Jane Paine as in Thomas Paine.
What a gal! Stay well and fight on and we are here with you.
Why are indicted people asked on to television as a spokesperson for what is ostensibly are real grown up political party. Have these people no shame at all?
Russert really is becoming completely insufferable.
How about getting the FDL crew to do a show on AAR? I think that would be a real good thing for America…
Someone should be asking Mr. Russert and the entire MtP staff why the VP’s office would in 2003 consider MtP the best venue to control their message of all the political talk shows on Sunday. After all, it is not like Bushco has a record of being politically inept where dealing with message/media control is concerned and being able to identity the best venues for their message to go unchallenged versus those that would challenge. Just ask Helen Thomas, the Irish reporter a few years back, the way they clearly hated Chris Matthews, and so many other examples while at the same time loving to have Jeff Gannon lobbing his softball questions in the daytime and polishing someone(s) balls in the evening (I still wish this would be followed up upon, how an active male prostitute was able to pass any security clearances let alone for a press pass even a one day one for so many months is something I am still totally baffled by). So we know Bushco and the GOP are media manipulation experts, their own track record authenticates that expertise (just about the only kind we have ever seen from Bushco though, which is why they win elections yet suck so horrendously at governing) and therefore they must have felt they had a good reason for viewing MtP as the best venue to control their message on.
One would think that the “king” of Sunday political talk shows would have been a bit perturbed by that allegation entering the public record in the Libby trial. One would have therefore expected to see some attempts to undercut this perception by MtP and Russert, yet where is there any evidence of that? The fact that they had Tom Delay and Richard Pearle (each with their own pending legal difficulties, Delay in Texas and Pearle in relation to Hollinger and Conrad Black as I recall although that may have been settled since it has been a while since I heard anything on that) defending the war yesterday does nothing to undercut the idea that MtP is essentially a GOP shill if they are willing to lend MtP’s “credibility” as a serious political talk show to have such less than “A” list GOPers on to deal with the anniversary of the Iraq war issue.
Russert has done nothing to undercut the idea that he and his show is predisposed to go easy on Bushco since it first came out in the Libby trial. I find that lack of concern/effort to deal with that clearly damaging revelation (if one has any professional credibility and/or any concern for professional ethics as a journalist…oh right Russert isn’t a journalist that’s the point of this post of Jane’s) very telling on what MtP truly is, and it is not a journalist’s show but that of a political operative. I used to be able to respect that show, but the last several years destroyed that utterly, especially the fawning way in which they dealt with Bushco during the first term.
tbsa @ 22
They are the Royalist Party.
You know, I just never tire of that photo. Such cheery, honest faces. Ahem. I think it helped that Joe Sestak has actually faced sending people into battle and having to contact loved ones when one of his soldiers was injured or worse. DeLay? He’s spent a lifetime never having to give a crap about the results of his noxious bug spray. Although, I have to say, if the GOP wants to use them as their front man…keep it up. The man reeks of smarm.
Some hilarious posts on C&L concerning DeLay on MTP. Some clever posters pointed out that one shouldn’t say that DeLay doesn’t have military experience because he had service in the “War on Pests.” He fought the cockroaches in Washington so his constituents wouldn’t have to fight them in Texas.
That photo…are Joe and Tom just a couple of little guys?
David Ehrenstein @
39
Great writeup, David.
Christy Hardin Smith @
48
Yep, the DeLay/Sestak juxtaposition is really just about as good as you can ask for.
If being against war, and particularly the Iraq war and viewing what’s going on in the whole of the Middle East makes me unpatriotic; then so be it.
viewerservices@msnbc.com
let em have it re: lil tom and big tim.
what a crock of shit these two are —– throw in a dickey pearle necktie and you have the makins of a neo-con-vention.
f-em all.
Mayor of Salt Lake City just on SitRoom calling for impeachment of Bush. Cites misleading us into war wrt the aluminum tubes. Faults the Beltway Dems for not pursuing this.
Guy ate his Wheaties this morning.
Sometimes anger gives us the strength to push through. Maybe Holy Joe does you a favor by making you mad?
Prairie Sunshine @ 55
Salt Lake City is not exactly San Francisco. Republicans should worry.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 53
Hey cousin OKK—
Actually I think WE are the real patriots. Those of us who grew up singing the national anthem with tears in our eyes and learning about liberty and justice.
Liberty. Justice.
Can they be ours again?
Striking Iran is not “off the table”. Situations are boiling. Over.
When Brian Boitano does a triple-Lutz in the Ninth Circle.
Thanks TerryinSan Fran. The downside is the oxycontin junkie quoting me on his radio show this morning.
I wish Delay and Perle were on MTP every damn Sunday. To the extent the public comes to understand these two soulless miscreants actually represent the modern Republican party, the better our chances are to firmly gain control of the federal government in 2008.
I wish progressives, liberals, Dems, lefties, bloggers could mount a campaign to get rid of Cheney’s go to guy, Tim Russert. Time to put him out to pasture. By the looks of his jowls he’s been making a pig of himself at the cocktail weenie circuit inside the Beltway.
Prairie Sunshine @ 55
Rocky Anderson mainlines Wheaties every day. He’s the real deal.
Christy-
Sorry this is OT but you mentioned in one thread that those with security clearance had an affirmative obligation to inform the ISOO when they were alerted to a potential unauthorized disclosure of classified info. I did not see that in Exec order 12958 or 13292. Where did you find that? I’m writing to Waxman about Rove’s violations and would like to include this. Thanks!
Maybe there were no Admin spokesbots available for MTP because they were all at Camp David helping the BoyKing work through his AG/AG issues.
Get ready for a document dump!
From TPM:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002805.php
Didn’t watch it, but, did Punkin Head sandbag Delay with the Kosovo quote ?
TeddySanFran @ 65
The Decider needs help deciding? Say it ain’t so!
Jane Hamsher @
17
They say two things: Maintain your focus on your purpose in life (Check). And exercise your brain (Check).
Jane’s going to be a blogging machine for the next four months!
Of course, they also say to exercise exercise walk those poodles. But I think I already nagged that line today.
Rocky Anderson never doesn’t eat his Wheaties.
Speaking of those who don’t compromise, any indication of whether Henry Waxman plans to call/subpoena James Knodell’s predecessor, one Jeffrey Thompson (spelling unconfirmed), to testify?
They should find the guy and get him on record before someone slips him some Cream of Polonium.
Off topic and ranty. Color me dense, but how is it okay to respond to the stereotyping of GLBT folks with stereotypes of religious people? Grrr.
Rob Zuber @ 66
You get the feeling their standards of document dump haven’t accounted for open source reporting yet? 2000 pages? We can rip that to shreds in a few days! Rove, Abu G, Harriet? Better hide, because we’re coming after you.
Jane @ 17;
DITTO DITTO DITTO…I don’t know what the little menace is up to now, but it’s surely no good.
Here’s a little blurb from his last lying response to my criticism of his war/occupation stance.
To paraphrase Punaise…”my contempt for this little weenie knows no bounds!”
Joe Shit, the ragman @ 67
No Timmy just let DeLay ramble on and on. Nor did he ask about Perle’s involvement in the PNAC and their desire for a “Pearl Harbor” incident that would propell a rationalization of their global strategy.
He needs all his OfGeorges clustered around to tell him it’s okay: that loyalty to himself is more important than loyalty to AbuG — Harriet, Karen, Condi, Frances, Laura.
Heidi at 64 — That was based on the testimony that Leonard gave before Waxman’s committee, if you refer back to the liveblogging of the hearing and the first panel testimony, you’ll probably find some note on that there. HTH!
Bush says he uses “The Google”. He’s probably up on open source stuff too, right?
———-
Perfect !
Commence countdown to docu dump:
5min… 4min… 3min…
Just so amazing, to think that this week could be even better than last week. Winning congress seems to be making just a little difference in the way things go.
And you know what makes it even better? Not worrying about a 45second sound bite on the evening news. Virtually instantaneous information and reaction.
We’re getting these documents, and a really big pack of hungry wolves is about to tear them to bits…
I want this war stopped. I am becomming exceedingly weary of what my government is doing, and I suspect, plotting.
What is really aggravating is the realization that guys like Gingrich and DeLay, Ralph Reed, the neocons, and many others like them are still very much in play.
Thanks, Christy. By the way, what’s “HTH” mean?
11/7 changed everything
zhiv @
79
Does anyone know if they are hard copy or electronic form? And if they are hardcopy, is there somewhere I can volunteer to transcribe some into a database for cross referencing?
;-)
Heidi at 81 — hope that helps.
HTH - hope this helps
I’m not at all sure who Joe Lieberman works for, but I am sure it is not the American people.
TeddySanFran @ 82
Great minds think alike.
I still don’t get why they would release these documents. It’s so “unlike” them, and that makes me suspicious that they are up to something else all together. Seems like a distraction. Maybe Iran. Maybe the mortgage meltdown. Maybe nothing at all. I know I can’t wait to read the darn things though!!
zhiv @ 79
I think we are WAAAYYY too much fun these days. 2007 is such an entertaining year so far. Just one Fitzmas present after another.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 86
One small state has brought us the Bush family, Lieberman, and Ralph Nader. Who do any of them work for besides themselves?
emptywheel @ 72
:) I’m looking forward to it! Especially your thoughtful analyses that always come a few days later where you’ve picked up on something everyone else missed. :)
lhp I think we are WAAAYYY too much fun these days. 2007 is such an entertaining year so far. Just one Fitzmas present after another
Oooooh new documents…..
[rubbing hands together, firing up the laptop and the calculator]
Heidi @ 64
I believe that is included in SF-312. That’s available on the internet, but I don’t have the link handy.
LS @ 88
I don’t think htey have a plausible reason not to turnthem over. Also, don’t forget, there are still a few “career” prosecutors at DOJ who are in a position to make sure that nothing gets shredded
emptywheel @
69
You will be happy to know that you are not today’s first nag, and that I already relented and took the dogs for a nice walk. They are shaggy, dirty beasts who are loving the CT snow. Of all the places we’ve lived, they have never been happier.
It reminds me of the end of the remake of the “Stepford Wives” when Glen Close says she was looking for a place where no one would notice a town made up of robots, so where else would she go? but Connecticut.
Ann in AZ at 93 — Here’s some information on the SF-312 from an earlier post of mine, including a link to the documentation online.
OT, but how great!
Bison now living on the Rocky Mountain Arsenal - one of the dirtiest DOD facilities ever. There really is hope in the world.
http://www.rawstory.com/showar.....AIEG1.html
We have 4 7 wek old lab puppies. They seem to think the snow was put there just for them. Our property is very hilly and they have figure out how to “sleigh ride” down the slope
LHP 94,
Thank you! That definately makes me feel better.
I just heard on CNN that they are actual “documents” in boxes being taken over to Congress where they will presumably “dump” them. :}
So, now that Jane is Conn. is it no longer a safe breeding ground for robots?
LS @ 100
That is the usual way to produce them.
I am not a Nader fan. I continue to be furious with Ralph.
TeddySanFran @ 81
Leahy and Waxman.
Such a huge breath of fresh air and sunshine. The WH is trembling and should be. Snowjob was a perfect tool/fool today– you could just see the collective disbelief on the wh press corps’ faces– keep waking up folks and throw off your previous stupor.
The “GWOT” has to end as Katrina said. It’s time for real facts, not special interests and power for the sake of power.
Jane, I am hoping that your ire continues to provide you with hope and energy. Many good thoughts to you, your pups and your family.
(McCaskill kicking butt on the Senate floor– keeps invoking “loyal bushie”.)
looseheadprop @ 99
Puppy breath!
Padilla trial is coming and that could be a real dousie.. or is dewsie or doosie or doosy?
Didn’t KSM cop to being the guy behind all things terror? A witness for the defense?
Was it Digby or Josh Marshall or one o’ the pups who pointed out that anything that Republicans accuse their opposition of doing is probably what they’re doing themselves, which makes sense - Bush, Cheney, Delay, at all have damaged our country and engaged in traitorously incompetent policies.
If patriotism means pushing our country further over a cliff, sign me up with the “traitorous” opposition.
Rocky has been great. He’s been leading the antti-war charge. He’s calling for Smirk’s impeachment. Maybe Rocky should run for Preznit.
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Lake,
I guess this is as good a time as any. My first post at FDL. Here’s hoping that I don’t do a zig or a zag or anything wrong. As a long time lurker, I’ve wanted to post earlier but there was so much going on that I didn’t want to contribute to the overload of the servers, es