
Monsignieur Tim seems to be struggling these days. Russert's background is as a political operative, not as a journalist, and so it must be disorienting to him to be judged as a member of the fourth estate and not as a connoseiur of Lynn Cheney's famous chili. One can almost sense in his Meet the Press performance yesterday some — dare we say it — prickliness to being known as Cheney's bitch, because he almost seemed to be crediting the war's critics with having been right there for a moment. Mostly he seems like he just did not know what to say. Granted whoever booked the Bugman and future Hollinger witness Richard Perle to speak on behalf of the war did its advocates no favors, but perhaps that is how far one has to reach toward the bottom of yonder barrell before one finds someone willing to publicly do so these days.
Anyway, just in case you were wondering, anyone calling for a timeline is now a traitor:
Russert: Mr. DeLay, you raise an interesting point in your political column…you talked about congressmen advocating withdrawal, and you conclude by saying "yes, I am questioning their patriotism." Why is that?
DeLay: Well, I, it is my opinion that when you go to war, we ought to all come together. You can debate going to war, that's a legitimate debate. But once you have our soldiers and our young people dying on the battlefield, we should come together. We shouldn't have what we had yesterday on the mall of…of…in Washington DC — those are not in my mind, in my opinion patriots that are talking about impeaching the commander in chief, that work as Tom's group works to set a date undermine…
Russert: But is setting a date for withdrawal…
DeLay: I think that's aiding and abetting the enemy. When you tell the enemy what your strategy is, that is aiding and abetting the enemy because they can use that strategy to come back and harm your soldiers.
Blue America candidate Joe Sestak handled himself superbly and was quick to remind Yellow Elephant DeLay that he had publicly opposed the war in Kosovo and hadn't engaged in much "coming together" (I seem to recall a little something about impeachment at that time as well, maybe Digby will remember). It was really heartwarming to see Sestak and his 31 years of military service called "unpatriotic" by Hot Tub Tom. Sestak was the supreme adult among children, the sagacious voice of wisdom and experience that inspired confidence and did much to reshape the pervasive GOP meme that Democrats are "mommy party" cowards. I realize there are many other ideas about who the face of the party should be when it comes to Iraq, and there is a tendency to feature the one that joins DeLay in calling us traitors. Still, it's something to think about.



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Jane!
Jane!
Did we tie? Both at 2:12 . . .
Tis a tie indeed!
I loved Russert plugging DeLay’s book. I was just a good thing I hadn’t eaten breakfast yet.
BTW: Why wasn’t TD in State of Texas overalls? Isn’t that overdue?
We need to get this guy into prison fast! I thought he was under indictment. Is there a trial in the foreseeable future? Is DeLay trying to rehabilitate himself like Nixon tried to?
An interesting question RW. When is the trial?
RealWorld @ 5
Yeah it was nice of him to offer DeLay the opportunity to do that. Quite thoughtful, in fact. I think he gave Conason the same opportunity, didn’t he?
Oh, maybe not.
So announcing a vague withdrawal wish under a set of vague conditions with vague off ramps is revealing your strategy, but when our own generals explain the details of clear, hold, rebuild (or whatever), describe how may US soldiers will work side by side with Iraqis at identified security posts in Baghdad — none of that conveys any useful information to whoever the enemy is this week. It’s hard to know how to be loyal these days.
angie @
4
angie, did you trot out your temporary name for St. Patrick’s Day this year?
Damn Jane,
Chemo is not slowing you down at all. You haven’t lost a step.
I’m gald to see you in such fine form
I am sure Tom would have had a different view of the balkan war had dick cheney discovered oil under kosovo. It was a great moment for Sestak and this country- someone finally telling-off this vacant malathion huffer.
It’s never far from my mind, punaise.
LOL and thank you.
Fantastic essay by Ms. Vanden Heuvel here:
linky
angie @ 13
:~)
I got a letter from Joe Sestak the other day. But I think I should send whatever I can (to whomever) through Blue America…so we can all make a bigger impact together, correct?
How dare that despicable, venal little shit hijack the language of the Constitution. Fuck him runnin’.
I keep thinking of how they shut down Toensing’s babbling during the hearing: “I’m reclaiming my time.”
The least we can do, seeing we’ll never get those years of our lives back.
looseheadprop @
11
Day four, good appetitite, tired but I’m still angry about the war and pissed at Joe Lieberman.
Guess I’m okay.
That ‘harms the soldiers’ narrative has to be pushed back, its a load of crap.
CBC ran the full movie ‘The Ground Truth’, in place of a news segment last night,
I wish it would get that kind of air-time in the U.S. Punk’s like DeLay wouldn’t get
a chance to use that kind of crap.
I posted last thread about having watched ‘The Ground Truth’ last night..
By the way, the whole movie, is available on google video for those who want to watch it,
though I recommend buying it as well, that kind of documentary journalism needs to be supported.
google video
Here’s the amazon link.
amazon link
Gonna be modded for the linkage, but here goes.
[Mod Note; we live to serve.]
My favorite quote was from former Representative Tom Andrews:
I want to complain! I wonder if Timmeh would take my call?
Jane Hamsher @ 17
Your brain’s still working just fine.
The thing that bothers me most about the republic party is how they really believe they are entitled to hold the office they were elected to and ignore the will of those who sent them there to begin with. Until we get rid of the lobbyists, I fear our elected officials will continue to ignore us.
Gnome de Plume @ 20
I tried, he wouldn’t even take my email.
Bless you, dear Jane. My thoughts are with you. The “linebacker” approach will serve you well to bust through this shit.
ThinkProgress reports the following:
CNN: 2,000 page document dump tonight
Better than fine!
Gnome de Plume @ 20
in case Timmeh’s busy taking Scooter’s call, you can email him here.
It’s an outrage Timmeh allowed Delay on the program. Were Bugman still in Congress, Congressman Sestak would be entirely within his historical rights to thrash Bugman when he next encountered him on the House floor.
Calling a fellow Congressman a traitor is a caning offense.
Not sure if that rule applies to ex-Congressmen, though.
From Raw Story:
Attorney firings may have been against the law
It is amazing how many times today this comment has been on topic:
Dick Cheney Controls Tim Russert.
And if you live in D.C., and you happen to run into Tim Russert, please let him know, as politely as possible, that you know who his real boss is…
It’s great to see Paul Krugman on Hardball. We need to see a lot more of him & the rest of grownups.
tommy yum @ 24
hah!…steamrolling over Joe Lieberman, who will never be confused for former NFL great Dick Butkus. Now, Joey Butt-Kiss, that’s a different story…
Stopping this Iraq war and preventing politicians from starting other unprovoked wars is the most important thing in the world to do. Bar none.
Jane,
Good luck and good health with the chemo. I’m still kicking 10 years after prostrate surgery.
DeLay is a complete jerk and so is Perle. It is so nice to hear someone speak about war that has actually worn a uniform. War is not some fun game using other people’s children as pawns. It is serious business and should only be resorted to in very rare occasions.
…could the Bugman please take out his spray-o-lator and use it on the “future Hollinger witness Richard Perle”, please.. Here’s something they can come together over.
More Attorney Purge emails coming out tonight in the latest document dump.
http://www.time.com/time/natio…..ml?cnn=yes
crap, I tried to look up DeLay’s trial date, the TX DPS site sucks
Shorter Timmeh: “Bugman, after your buddies like Perle were wrong about everything about Iraq, why shouldn’t America take advice from those who were right about everything?”
Shorter Bugman: “Because they are TRAITORS, Tim!”
Shorter Tim: “Buy Bugman’s Book! Buh-bye!”
Jeesh.
Ironranger @ 30, I didn’t believe Nora O’Donnell when she said Democrats would not appear on MSNBC although they had been invited. Seems they are appearing after the November elections so I suspect they were not asked before that.
Leave us not forget that Barack Obama (the subject of this op-ed) supported Lieberman’s re-election.
tbsa @ 22
The Republican Party today does not believe in litte “d” democracy. They are authoritarians that could care less about the will of the people. They are caught in an ironic trap because although they hate the notion of a representative democracy they are forced to be elected to office. Their belief that “government doesn’t work” is substantiated by their performance.
Woe be to any of my party who cannot see the necessity of peace.
Delay seems to think that the Constitution says that the 1st Amendment on issues that relate to war terminates upon the “non-declaration” of war.
But as pointed out, what was his position on the Balkans…on Somalia…on Haiti.
Apparently, DeLay seems to think that Congress can call for a withdrawal and criticise the government ONLY if the Congressmen are Republican and the President is a Democrat!
But DeLay has never been very good at understanding how laws don’t apply only to people on one side of the aisle…or that laws apply to rich and poor alike, for that matter.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 32
This is bad, granted, but, the fan will hit the S*it when Cheney starts bombing Iran…
Jane, hope all is well and the weather in CT is improving.
Jane,
You are FDL are an american treasure and I consider you Jane Paine as in Thomas Paine.
What a gal! Stay well and fight on and we are here with you.
Why are indicted people asked on to television as a spokesperson for what is ostensibly are real grown up political party. Have these people no shame at all?
Russert really is becoming completely insufferable.
How about getting the FDL crew to do a show on AAR? I think that would be a real good thing for America…
Someone should be asking Mr. Russert and the entire MtP staff why the VP’s office would in 2003 consider MtP the best venue to control their message of all the political talk shows on Sunday. After all, it is not like Bushco has a record of being politically inept where dealing with message/media control is concerned and being able to identity the best venues for their message to go unchallenged versus those that would challenge. Just ask Helen Thomas, the Irish reporter a few years back, the way they clearly hated Chris Matthews, and so many other examples while at the same time loving to have Jeff Gannon lobbing his softball questions in the daytime and polishing someone(s) balls in the evening (I still wish this would be followed up upon, how an active male prostitute was able to pass any security clearances let alone for a press pass even a one day one for so many months is something I am still totally baffled by). So we know Bushco and the GOP are media manipulation experts, their own track record authenticates that expertise (just about the only kind we have ever seen from Bushco though, which is why they win elections yet suck so horrendously at governing) and therefore they must have felt they had a good reason for viewing MtP as the best venue to control their message on.
One would think that the “king” of Sunday political talk shows would have been a bit perturbed by that allegation entering the public record in the Libby trial. One would have therefore expected to see some attempts to undercut this perception by MtP and Russert, yet where is there any evidence of that? The fact that they had Tom Delay and Richard Pearle (each with their own pending legal difficulties, Delay in Texas and Pearle in relation to Hollinger and Conrad Black as I recall although that may have been settled since it has been a while since I heard anything on that) defending the war yesterday does nothing to undercut the idea that MtP is essentially a GOP shill if they are willing to lend MtP’s “credibility” as a serious political talk show to have such less than “A” list GOPers on to deal with the anniversary of the Iraq war issue.
Russert has done nothing to undercut the idea that he and his show is predisposed to go easy on Bushco since it first came out in the Libby trial. I find that lack of concern/effort to deal with that clearly damaging revelation (if one has any professional credibility and/or any concern for professional ethics as a journalist…oh right Russert isn’t a journalist that’s the point of this post of Jane’s) very telling on what MtP truly is, and it is not a journalist’s show but that of a political operative. I used to be able to respect that show, but the last several years destroyed that utterly, especially the fawning way in which they dealt with Bushco during the first term.
tbsa @ 22
They are the Royalist Party.
You know, I just never tire of that photo. Such cheery, honest faces. Ahem. I think it helped that Joe Sestak has actually faced sending people into battle and having to contact loved ones when one of his soldiers was injured or worse. DeLay? He’s spent a lifetime never having to give a crap about the results of his noxious bug spray. Although, I have to say, if the GOP wants to use them as their front man…keep it up. The man reeks of smarm.
Some hilarious posts on C&L concerning DeLay on MTP. Some clever posters pointed out that one shouldn’t say that DeLay doesn’t have military experience because he had service in the “War on Pests.” He fought the cockroaches in Washington so his constituents wouldn’t have to fight them in Texas.
That photo…are Joe and Tom just a couple of little guys?
David Ehrenstein @
39
Great writeup, David.
Christy Hardin Smith @
48
Yep, the DeLay/Sestak juxtaposition is really just about as good as you can ask for.
If being against war, and particularly the Iraq war and viewing what’s going on in the whole of the Middle East makes me unpatriotic; then so be it.
viewerservices@msnbc.com
let em have it re: lil tom and big tim.
what a crock of shit these two are —– throw in a dickey pearle necktie and you have the makins of a neo-con-vention.
f-em all.
Mayor of Salt Lake City just on SitRoom calling for impeachment of Bush. Cites misleading us into war wrt the aluminum tubes. Faults the Beltway Dems for not pursuing this.
Guy ate his Wheaties this morning.
Sometimes anger gives us the strength to push through. Maybe Holy Joe does you a favor by making you mad?
Prairie Sunshine @ 55
Salt Lake City is not exactly San Francisco. Republicans should worry.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 53
Hey cousin OKK—
Actually I think WE are the real patriots. Those of us who grew up singing the national anthem with tears in our eyes and learning about liberty and justice.
Liberty. Justice.
Can they be ours again?
Striking Iran is not “off the table”. Situations are boiling. Over.
When Brian Boitano does a triple-Lutz in the Ninth Circle.
Thanks TerryinSan Fran. The downside is the oxycontin junkie quoting me on his radio show this morning.
I wish Delay and Perle were on MTP every damn Sunday. To the extent the public comes to understand these two soulless miscreants actually represent the modern Republican party, the better our chances are to firmly gain control of the federal government in 2008.
I wish progressives, liberals, Dems, lefties, bloggers could mount a campaign to get rid of Cheney’s go to guy, Tim Russert. Time to put him out to pasture. By the looks of his jowls he’s been making a pig of himself at the cocktail weenie circuit inside the Beltway.
Prairie Sunshine @ 55
Rocky Anderson mainlines Wheaties every day. He’s the real deal.
Christy-
Sorry this is OT but you mentioned in one thread that those with security clearance had an affirmative obligation to inform the ISOO when they were alerted to a potential unauthorized disclosure of classified info. I did not see that in Exec order 12958 or 13292. Where did you find that? I’m writing to Waxman about Rove’s violations and would like to include this. Thanks!
Maybe there were no Admin spokesbots available for MTP because they were all at Camp David helping the BoyKing work through his AG/AG issues.
Get ready for a document dump!
From TPM:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002805.php
Didn’t watch it, but, did Punkin Head sandbag Delay with the Kosovo quote ?
TeddySanFran @ 65
The Decider needs help deciding? Say it ain’t so!
Jane Hamsher @
17
They say two things: Maintain your focus on your purpose in life (Check). And exercise your brain (Check).
Jane’s going to be a blogging machine for the next four months!
Of course, they also say to exercise exercise walk those poodles. But I think I already nagged that line today.
Rocky Anderson never doesn’t eat his Wheaties.
Speaking of those who don’t compromise, any indication of whether Henry Waxman plans to call/subpoena James Knodell’s predecessor, one Jeffrey Thompson (spelling unconfirmed), to testify?
They should find the guy and get him on record before someone slips him some Cream of Polonium.
Off topic and ranty. Color me dense, but how is it okay to respond to the stereotyping of GLBT folks with stereotypes of religious people? Grrr.
Rob Zuber @ 66
You get the feeling their standards of document dump haven’t accounted for open source reporting yet? 2000 pages? We can rip that to shreds in a few days! Rove, Abu G, Harriet? Better hide, because we’re coming after you.
Jane @ 17;
DITTO DITTO DITTO…I don’t know what the little menace is up to now, but it’s surely no good.
Here’s a little blurb from his last lying response to my criticism of his war/occupation stance.
To paraphrase Punaise…”my contempt for this little weenie knows no bounds!”
Joe Shit, the ragman @ 67
No Timmy just let DeLay ramble on and on. Nor did he ask about Perle’s involvement in the PNAC and their desire for a “Pearl Harbor” incident that would propell a rationalization of their global strategy.
He needs all his OfGeorges clustered around to tell him it’s okay: that loyalty to himself is more important than loyalty to AbuG — Harriet, Karen, Condi, Frances, Laura.
Heidi at 64 — That was based on the testimony that Leonard gave before Waxman’s committee, if you refer back to the liveblogging of the hearing and the first panel testimony, you’ll probably find some note on that there. HTH!
Bush says he uses “The Google”. He’s probably up on open source stuff too, right?
———-
Perfect !
Commence countdown to docu dump:
5min… 4min… 3min…
Just so amazing, to think that this week could be even better than last week. Winning congress seems to be making just a little difference in the way things go.
And you know what makes it even better? Not worrying about a 45second sound bite on the evening news. Virtually instantaneous information and reaction.
We’re getting these documents, and a really big pack of hungry wolves is about to tear them to bits…
I want this war stopped. I am becomming exceedingly weary of what my government is doing, and I suspect, plotting.
What is really aggravating is the realization that guys like Gingrich and DeLay, Ralph Reed, the neocons, and many others like them are still very much in play.
Thanks, Christy. By the way, what’s “HTH” mean?
11/7 changed everything
zhiv @
79
Does anyone know if they are hard copy or electronic form? And if they are hardcopy, is there somewhere I can volunteer to transcribe some into a database for cross referencing?
;-)
Heidi at 81 — hope that helps.
HTH – hope this helps
I’m not at all sure who Joe Lieberman works for, but I am sure it is not the American people.
TeddySanFran @ 82
Great minds think alike.
I still don’t get why they would release these documents. It’s so “unlike” them, and that makes me suspicious that they are up to something else all together. Seems like a distraction. Maybe Iran. Maybe the mortgage meltdown. Maybe nothing at all. I know I can’t wait to read the darn things though!!
zhiv @ 79
I think we are WAAAYYY too much fun these days. 2007 is such an entertaining year so far. Just one Fitzmas present after another.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 86
One small state has brought us the Bush family, Lieberman, and Ralph Nader. Who do any of them work for besides themselves?
emptywheel @ 72
:) I’m looking forward to it! Especially your thoughtful analyses that always come a few days later where you’ve picked up on something everyone else missed. :)
lhp I think we are WAAAYYY too much fun these days. 2007 is such an entertaining year so far. Just one Fitzmas present after another
Oooooh new documents…..
[rubbing hands together, firing up the laptop and the calculator]
Heidi @ 64
I believe that is included in SF-312. That’s available on the internet, but I don’t have the link handy.
LS @ 88
I don’t think htey have a plausible reason not to turnthem over. Also, don’t forget, there are still a few “career” prosecutors at DOJ who are in a position to make sure that nothing gets shredded
emptywheel @
69
You will be happy to know that you are not today’s first nag, and that I already relented and took the dogs for a nice walk. They are shaggy, dirty beasts who are loving the CT snow. Of all the places we’ve lived, they have never been happier.
It reminds me of the end of the remake of the “Stepford Wives” when Glen Close says she was looking for a place where no one would notice a town made up of robots, so where else would she go? but Connecticut.
Ann in AZ at 93 — Here’s some information on the SF-312 from an earlier post of mine, including a link to the documentation online.
OT, but how great!
Bison now living on the Rocky Mountain Arsenal – one of the dirtiest DOD facilities ever. There really is hope in the world.
http://www.rawstory.com/showar…..AIEG1.html
We have 4 7 wek old lab puppies. They seem to think the snow was put there just for them. Our property is very hilly and they have figure out how to “sleigh ride” down the slope
LHP 94,
Thank you! That definately makes me feel better.
I just heard on CNN that they are actual “documents” in boxes being taken over to Congress where they will presumably “dump” them. :}
So, now that Jane is Conn. is it no longer a safe breeding ground for robots?
LS @ 100
That is the usual way to produce them.
I am not a Nader fan. I continue to be furious with Ralph.
TeddySanFran @ 81
Leahy and Waxman.
Such a huge breath of fresh air and sunshine. The WH is trembling and should be. Snowjob was a perfect tool/fool today– you could just see the collective disbelief on the wh press corps’ faces– keep waking up folks and throw off your previous stupor.
The “GWOT” has to end as Katrina said. It’s time for real facts, not special interests and power for the sake of power.
Jane, I am hoping that your ire continues to provide you with hope and energy. Many good thoughts to you, your pups and your family.
(McCaskill kicking butt on the Senate floor– keeps invoking “loyal bushie”.)
looseheadprop @ 99
Puppy breath!
Padilla trial is coming and that could be a real dousie.. or is dewsie or doosie or doosy?
Didn’t KSM cop to being the guy behind all things terror? A witness for the defense?
Was it Digby or Josh Marshall or one o’ the pups who pointed out that anything that Republicans accuse their opposition of doing is probably what they’re doing themselves, which makes sense – Bush, Cheney, Delay, at all have damaged our country and engaged in traitorously incompetent policies.
If patriotism means pushing our country further over a cliff, sign me up with the “traitorous” opposition.
Rocky has been great. He’s been leading the antti-war charge. He’s calling for Smirk’s impeachment. Maybe Rocky should run for Preznit.
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Lake,
I guess this is as good a time as any. My first post at FDL. Here’s hoping that I don’t do a zig or a zag or anything wrong. As a long time lurker, I’ve wanted to post earlier but there was so much going on that I didn’t want to contribute to the overload of the servers, especially during the coverage of the Libby trial.
Allow me to say that I have been absolutely in awe of the coverage of first, the Lieberman/Lamont race, and the Libby trial. This is indepth, investigative reporting like no mainstream media organization has even attempted. This site has give me many hours of reading pleasure to the detriment of my dirty house.
My hat is off to those nimble fingers who blogged the Libby trial, and others who added “colorful” comment.
My hat is also off to those front pagers who have filled the gaps when Jane and Christy have been under the weather, so to speak.
Good vibes to Jane during chemo. Good vibes to Christy for the bugs that invade her body and the 6 legged creapy kinds that invade her home.
And yes. I really am Sixty Something.
I’m also a liberal, and a Democrat and damn proud of it.
First — my contempt for Joe Lieberman is infinate and eternal.
Second — I’m beginning to feel much the same way about Tauscher.
Third — (maybe this should have been first) Jane, glad to hear you are getting through chemo as well as you are. BTW two of my friends, a husband and wife, are literally internationally renowned Chinese MD’s, acupuncturists and herbalists. The wife treated the late King Hussein of Jordan when he was undergoing chemo and supposedly helped him a lot. TCM and acupuncture do have use in mitigating side effects of chemo. If you are interested I will give you their number and put in a good word for you if you have any trouble making an appointment as they are both pretty busy. Their office is in BH.
Fourth — I threw up in my mouth a little bit when I saw DeLay and Perle on MTP. Aren”t these guys supposed to be in jail, or something? But after a swig of coffee got rid of the taste, I realized that this worked out very well, Admiral Sestak and Andrews simply made mincemeat of these clowns. I think anyone watching who was not heavily drugged on Kool-Aid had to realize where common sense and military experience lay. So, in the end, it was good for our side.
Sixty Something:
Welcome! Let’s hear from you often!
DefJef @ 106
OT: “Duesy”, after a very good car manufactured in the early 1900s, the Duesenberg.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duesenberg
“I’m also a liberal, and a Democrat and damn proud of it.”
I like that! ;0)
Welcome Sixty Something
[[[[[Jane]]]]]
Sixty Something– hi and glad you found your “voice” here.
I remember my first post after lurking for a long time. Gosh, I was so nervous and I think it was perhaps 5 words long. You did great!
March 19th, 2007 at 3:11 pm
LS at #100 says:
Why am I not surprised. Isn’t this a typical legal tactic used if you need to comply with a subpoena but don’t want the entity to be able to quickly find the information they are seeking?
I never have coherent, topical stuff to say, but DAMN I am happy to be here among the big brained/hearted folks! Thank you all for what you do and contribute in your own special way.
It will be interesting to see what these feckers have been up to when this document dump comes.
There is always some little tidbit hiding in them.
Sixty Something…
My Auntie is 99 now, and she sometimes makes this 60’s radical feel like a flaming conservative. ;0)
Not sure if this has been posted here – but the attorney firings may have broken up to 4 laws. A good read.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03…..ref=slogin
Ut oh. They do know YOU weren’t built for the cold, right? Or is Kobe just taking over again.
Whoever’s nagging you–you listen to that girl!!
Isn’t it time to lose the meme that Republicans are patriotic?
If you’d heard that the RNC leadership got together six years ago to finalize a plan to wreck this country financially, strip it of every civil right that Americans take pride in, decimate its military, destroy its standing around the world, and end its standing as a superpower, what could you point to as evidence that it wasn’t true?
OT
Tomorrow Leahy’s having a hearing on war profiteering
Mutant Poodle @ 107
I believe it was Christy or LHP.
looseheadprop @ 99
Young labs seem to love the snow, but they’re generally exuberant creatures, anyway.
Bustednuckles @ 119
I’m all a-twitter!
Bustednuckles @ 119
And there often seems to be a new scandal. Goody for us
Don’t miss Josh’s subscription drive starting tomorrow.
Oh, they are stinky little critters. Once they start eating puppy chow, oh do they start to smell bad!
Hey, Spiderpaws!
I found this article and thought of you – since the RatZapper™ is a crap-out.
From Mike Allen (yuck) at The Politico:
http://www.politico.com/news/s…../3202.html
Since this is Mike Allen, I assume this comes straight from Rove.
Wasn’t me, though I agree with that argument, completely. Must have been Redd
looseheadprop @ 99
So cute, I envy you the joy!
Do you have to go down to retrieve them?
McNulty and Abu need to go…
They can run, but they can’t hide because just resigning won’t make the stench disappear.
It’s Accountability time– too many people have died. It would be wrong to just humiliate the WH– Delay resigned and he still spews forth on MTP for all the world to see.
Shameful.
Impeach these tools after their resignations.
sophist at 18 and epu’d comment from last thread
epu’d comment from me
i like the way you use the english language
Oklahoma Kiddo,Oklahoma kiddo @ 120
Is this an outting of the old foggies or something? LOL or 707 or whatever. Grins.
Rob @ 132;
Hey,look at me…little man Joe Lieberman! I used to be AG in Ct and I’ve sucked up big time to Republicans. That’s how I got re-elected in November. I really, really want this job. Whatdya think Karl? Please, pretty please?
WTF?????
ABC’s “legal expert” just said Democrats in the Congress have “created the appearance of scandal”…
EXCUSE ME????
Appearance?
Mr. S and I looked at each other and he said “where did that little editorial comment come from”?
ABC Toolin’ its way into BushCo’s heart?
Sixty Something @ 109
Yay! Welcome!
Prairie Sunshine @ 139
ABC’s been in the tank for a while. And both Lost and Grey’s Anatomy are going downhill, plus Alias is gone. Why even watch?
bookwoman @ 138
LOL. The image of the donkey in Shrek comes to mind. “Pick me! Pick me!”
From the bottom of the slope? Nah. there tough little monsters. Getting pretty rambunctious. It’s time they adopted their new families. They need more attention than they are getting at my house.
Ex-Mr. Prop is having a hard time letting them go
angie @ 135
It’s really ineresting how many fairly high up the food chain DOJ types have suddenly scheduled meetings outside DC for things that could have been handled over the phone.
It’s pretty comical.
Prairie Sunshine @ 139
Who was the “expert”?
Yeah, but the donkey was a donkey and a good guy.
Liarman reminds me more of Lord Farquaad or the prince or the gigantic farts emanating from Shrek.
Prairie Sunshine @ 139
I gave them up when they hired that piec of shit Glenn Beck
Another ‘confession’. Does anyone aside from me smell a rat?
AP – A Yemeni portrayed as an al-Qaida operative and a member of a terrorist family confessed to plotting the bombings of the USS Cole and two U.S. embassies in Africa, killing hundreds, according to a Pentagon transcript of a Guantanamo Bay hearing.
From d r i f t g l a s s:
I just love the way this person rants.
looseheadprop @ 144
Reminds me of my sister’s dissection of expert:
X = Mathematical symbol for unknown
Spurt = Drip under pressure, therefore…
Expert = Unknown drip under pressure.
angie @ 145
Must…have…visual!
About 2 weeks ago, we were discussing the number of wounded from this debacle in Iraq. The number I’d heard was 205,000.
Late last week I happened to see a newspaper article on how many troops had been deployed to Iraq (and how many times some troops had gone) and in 4 years the US had deployed 420,000 troups.
So, if the 205,000 wounded is correct, that means that almost half the troops deployed have been wounded while on duty in Iraq.
Also, the Veterans Administration issued a statement that they are expecting over 600,000 claims for services in the next five years.
Sally @ 38: if you’re still here. I had never heard that Norah story. Dems refused to appear?..sounds a little hinky to me. Of course, no one in media would just make something like that up, heh.
You have to love the way Republicans are so willing to take on these onerous tasks.
Victoria Toensing has volunteered to let us know who is and isn’t a covert agent.
Now we have Tom Delay telling us who is and isn’t a patriot.
BTW isn’t Tom Delay still facing various charges in Texas? And why is he still showing up in the media? Or are these the first steps for a media rehabilitation a la Gingrich?
looseheadprop @ 133
It’s kind of like, “Who said the sky is blue?” Pach (of course) has mentioned it, it comes up frequently in comments and both Phoenix Woman’s March 5 post and TRex’s one Nov 6 post used projection as the main theme. If you google “projection Republicans” you get 1,030,000 hits.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 147
Think they are going to trot out Osama next? If the tin foil hat brigade tat suspected that the US had Osama stashed somewhere for a rainy day turns out to be right….. well, we would probably be finding that out in the next few months.
looseheadprop @ 89
And the really lovely thing is that the document dumps, like extreme redistricting, not only don’t work anymore, they’re actually detrimental to the GOP’s cause.
The key to redistricting is to make sure that your people are spread out just enough to control a bunch of seats, but not so much that you can’t hold these seats in an election. When the Great Midterm Tsunami of 2006 hit, the number of safe Republican seats had been drastically lowered by redistricting, to the point where a surprisingly large number of GOP seats got swept away.
Docu-dumps worked as a distraction technique pre-internet and pre-blog, but now instead of a handful of people poring over the docs, scads upon scads of bloggers and their readers will be poring over them, thus lessening the “choke factor”.
Over at DailyKos, when the Abu Ghraib FOIA docs were dumped, a team of Kossacks organized themselves to pick apart sections of the dump. They Hoovered through the things and in less than a month had reviewed docs that would have taken one or two people the better part of six months working full-time to do.
Sometime, anger works, but, passion is the real saviour in these circumstances. When times were hard, my passion for nature saved me. Jane is obviously fulfilling that passion. Remission through blogging…
Thank you so much Jane.
BREAKING NEWS!
CBS reports that Bush WH is interviewing Gonzales’ replacement!
egregious at 58
Actually I think WE are the real patriots. Those of us who grew up singing the national anthem with tears in our eyes and learning about liberty and justice.
Liberty. Justice.
Can they be ours again?
it never left being ours egregious, and i think this post was the most intelligent/insightful thing i’ve heard you say……i remember those moments in my life.
I think that I have missed something. Why is the Justice Dept dumping documents without a fight? Since the docs so far have been pretty damning, maybe they are trying to hide the really bad (read go to jail) stuff by appearing to be forth- coming.
Heidi @
64
Maybe it’s the Misprision of Felony Statutes.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/us…..-000-.html
It seems that if an official ignores their duty in reporting knowledge of an serious offense “cognizable as a felony” is subject to this statute if they conceal or don’t report the crime (or potential crime).
OT: ABC News just had a report on the members of the military who died in Iraq. They announced the “est” as in youngest and oldest. And they also announced the first female to die — she was Jessica Lynch’s friend, Lori, who died in the same incident that let to the Jessica Mythology.
Could that be why the myth was invented? Was it perhaps not an effort to give the war a made-to-order heroine … was it perhaps an effort to divert attention from the fact that woman, the first, had died?
Jan Greenberg
ABC=Advancing Bush’s Crimes.
Also, I saw a brief glimpse of Paula Zahn fluffing and jiving with the excreble Glenn Beck. Poor Paula, reduced to giving a shitheel misogynist like Beck the figleaf of credibility.
CNN must be getting some heat because the fluff piece was long on boo-hoo stories about Beck’s drug problem and short on his constant vile attacks.
The two deserve each other.
-GSD
Oklahoma kiddo @ 147
I am sure these guys are being squeezed to provide shiny objects. Meanwhile, back at home, impeachment is off the table.
Steve @ 160
B/C there is no credible excuse for not turning them over. Plus there are still some “career” people pretty high up at DOJ who would blow the whistle if the shredders were revved up
Gonzalez is the fall guy on the US Attorney purge, Rove was in charge. The two document dumps were selective, naturally.
Lindy @ 148
The great drifty.
Brisingaman @151..The best source for those numbers is:
http://www.icasualties.org/oif/
OK Kiddo– I don’t trust anything that is coming out of these “hearings” and that is a shame.
The illegal behavior of our government is contributing to my disbelief.
I am quite sure that people have planned attacks on our people. I am not so sure that our government as it stands today has clean paws. We have a lot of smelly rats right here who are hell-bent on perpetrating their false premise of being “tough on terra” and protecting our Nation and the world from tyrants.
We got our own tyrants right here.
TPM reports that the document dump will have over 2000 documents in hard copy. If we each take 10 documents, we only need 200 transcribers to put them all into a database. It could be done by morning.
angie @ 145
So you’re saying he wants a bigger army in Iraq because he’s compensating for . . .
DefJef @
106
It’s DOOZY…Arabic, y’know.
New thread.
Hugh @ 153
Someone suggested yesterday that VT had assured Dick or Karl that outing Valerie could not be prosecuted under ‘her’ law. But oops, seems like that may not fly and VT is in trouble with her masters. She sure looked like she didn’t dare go home after the hearing, and I was very surprised to *not* see her on the Sunday talking head line-up.
cinnamonape @ 161
one of the things I love about this place is having to run to the dictionary.
Hugh @
153
Tom DeLay and Newt Gingrich – numbers one and two on my list of people who should never sully public life by their odious presence. I can’t believe they’re actually regarded as people whose opinion anyone wants to hear…
Oh, she always talks that way. She never says anything in a definative way. Doesn’t like to weigh in on one side or the other. Nothing is ever a fact with her. Everything is “this is the arguement on one side, and this is the arguement on the other side, and this is what the jsutices had to say about that”
It’s just her incredibly cautios style of speaking. She will never be caught out wrong on anything, becasue she never takes a position on anything.
Steve @
160
They stalled over the weekend so maybe the initial document dump had a lot of ‘national security’ stuff that had to be scrubbed.
Hugh @ 172
something like that.
:O
Neil @ 167
YEP
Lindy @ 148 Great Post Lindy. Thanks for sharing it. This morning was a four cup morning. I stayed up waaay too late.
looseheadprop @ 166
Also, that is a *ton* of documents, I expect that the word went out, “They want paper, we’ll give’em paper. Snow’em!” Expense reports, computer manuals, outdated procedures — someone will have to go through them all. And not until everypieceof paper has been looked at can the Committee say, “Where is this or that one piece of paper?”
Wow, over a million google hits with projection republicans. I shouldn’t be surprised. Having, unfortunately, a couple of family members that fit the projection, sociopath mode, I got the skin crawlies long ago watching bushco. 1,030,000 others must have recognized the breed too.
One can almost sense in his Meet the Press performance yesterday some — dare we say it — prickliness to being known as Cheney’s bitch. . . .
Yeah! Jane! No one calls out the B.S. like Jane!
prarie sunshine @139
ABC’s “legal expert” just said Democrats in the Congress have “created the appearance of scandal”…
EXCUSE ME????
Appearance?
Mr. S and I looked at each other and he said “where did that little editorial comment come from”?
ABC Toolin’ its way into BushCo’s heart?
that’s one thing i’ve noticed that people still continue to ‘not get’
appearances, they mean everything to some people……the debate, the contacts, the references, the meaning, is all the appearance, the fortitude exempts truth………appearances………
Oklahoma kiddo @ 147
Yes! They are all confessing as the mastermind behind the same crimes. Someone ought to thell those
torturersInterrogators to sort out theframejobsconfessions before they have everyone saying that they were all involved in killing Jon Benet and Nicole Simpsonlooseheadprop @ 166 Is there a established place in the structure of the Executive branch where executive privilege can not be used?
Tweety tearing into Card .. fun to watch.
ironranger @ 184
To be fair I googled ‘projection Democrats” and came up with 966,000 hits. But references seem to be ‘Smart Politics projection’ ‘Nov 2005 election projection’ ‘fundraising projection’ — statistics and stuff.
HotFlash @ 175
this is a delicious thought, I must say.
HotFlash @ 190
If you use quotes, you only get 13.
I’m voting they float Townsend as the next AG. Bush loves her, Reno loved her, Biden will be able to tell her he just gosh he likes her and maybe get her a baseball cap, everyone here’s fave Comey loves her.
portia.vz @ 171
I’m in.
Documents R us: I’m in.
“Your magic poisoned apple has failed to kill the princess! Guards, cast her into the dungeon!”
“Oh, spare me my lord! It should have worked!” (the sorceress is dragged from the vizier’s chamber).
Mary at 193 — Sometime, ask LHP what she thinks of Franny Townsend. *g*
OK, I’ll help, but how do we get them?
Just so you all know, I got an e-mail not too long ago from someone who would know if they have gotten them, and the judiciary committee staff doesn’t have any documents as yet. If I hear otherwise, I’ll let everyone know. So it may still be a little while — they were promised earlier today and they still haven’t shown up as yet…
A decent optical scanner can do 60 ppm, has a doc feed, costs $5 grand. The committee should have access to one.
Christy Hardin Smith @
199
Thanks, Christy.
Hotflash, Josh Marshall usually gets copies of that stuff and puts it in the archives. I don’t know if he’ll do that with this stuff, but I guess we’ll find out.
New Thread — more about Vickie T
Christy Hardin Smith @ 199
It’s probably taking a while to rewrite them.
Just want to delurk(I say hi about once every six months or so). Your live blogging of the Irve S.Libby trial – kept my housekeeping at bay for weeks – thanks!
Jane – you are a goddess and I am so glad I saw all of the FDL crew at Yearly Kos last year. Lots of healing thoughts for your current treatment. Is there a p.o. box for get well cards?
Christie – I have a “peanut” too although as a 55 year old geezer mom, he is almost 8 and full of opinions he apparently got from being born in China, insisting that “Bush tells lies and belongs in jail and Bush poops and pees in his pants and wears children’s underwear.” I never told him anything about children’s underwear, I swear!
Everyone else – I have no great insights to share, just thanks for your service to truth.It is a pleasure to lurk and to hit the contribute button now and again.
Telling subliminality: Timmeh closes by saying thank you by name to DeLay (while plugging Delay’s book), and by name to Perle. What does he say to Sestak and former congressman Tom Andrews? He says `Thank you congressman’ to each of them, no name mentioned. My wife who is not used to watching such pablum was pretty shocked at the implied lesser status by Timmeh’s sign off. To his credit, he did zing Perle when Perle sought to quote Carl Levin on Saddam–Timmeh pointed out that Levin voted against the war which Perle chose to ignore while trotting out a familiar old Gore condemnation of Saddam. Interestingly enough he failed to remind the audience that Gore gave a stemwinder of a speech the fall before the war in strong opposition to it.
per the post: I don’t think the Republicans are the ‘Daddy’ party and the Democrats are the ‘Mommy’. I see the Repubs as the ‘Child’ party and the Dems as the ‘Adult’ party. Children see everything in black and white. They need to be told what to do by an authority they trust. It’s good guys vs. bad guys with no middle ground. As Dubya said, “I don’t do nuance.” Adults understand that real issues are complex, and can’t be just sloganed away. This is where the howls of ‘flip-flopper’ come from the children.
You moms and dads out there – haven’t you heard all this from your own kids? ‘It’s not my fault! But he did it too! But you said! It’s not fair!“
Russert: But is setting a date for withdrawal…
DeLay: I think that’s aiding and abetting the enemy. When you tell the enemy what your strategy is, that is aiding and abetting the enemy because they can use that strategy to come back and harm your soldiers.
Oh. OK. So when Dubya keeps saying “stay the course”, that’s treason. Right?!?
Cheers,
Scotian;
Little jury trouble today w/Conrad Black.
Might get going tomorrow.
Do you know Antigonish?
yellowdogD @ 208
Not well, no, although I have been there in the past. Any particular reason why you ask?
looseheadprop @
178
Waaay late to this, LHP, but really isn’t this “apparent scandal” construct precisely worded to take a side? By the way, googling Greenberg leads to a very amusing piece on her “reporting” about Justice Ginsburg. Shoes, anyone?
Jacqrat @ 131
Neat little animals in their homeland, but already wreaking havoc in the Florida Keys where they’ve been loosed by the ignorant victims of the exotic pet trade. They usurp native rodent territories and eat every thing in sight.
Scotia-
My in-laws were from there , and Port Hawkesbury. Did a summer on Cape Breton Island once. Best summer vacation I ever had.
yellowdogD @ 212
Ah, I see. One of my grandparents was from CB, a small village outside of Iona. For me the best summer vacations growing up were on PEI, but that was as much because of the family I had there as the place itself, as two of my grandparents came from there, while the fourth was mainland Bluenoser. I am well rooted in my Maritimer amcestry as you can see…:)
Elliott @ 23
You can e-mail Timmy through the MSNBC ‘contact us’ link, just not from the Meet the Press web page.