
(Helen, get your notebook! by darkblack.)
You know, I think I'm starting to really enjoy this Year of Our Lord, 2007.
I hear that Tony Snow has been eating Rolaids like candy since he got this news:
Woo-hoo! It's a happy St. Patrick's Day indeed for Helen Thomas, who was just officially re-awarded her front row seat in the White House Briefing Room after it had been rudely snatched away last month, owing to the combination of fewer seats in the newly-refurbished briefing room (7 seats per rows for 7 rows instead of 6 seats per row for 8 rows) and the fact that both Fox and CNN had been agitating for a front-row seat. Instead of picking between them, Thomas was booted.
Which was very, very rude. To boot Helen Thomas for some Jeff Gannon wannabe from Pox News. The very idea!
But now booted no more! Today the White House Correspondent's Association decided that Thomas' pride of place in the front row — 46 years and counting — would be appropriately honored:
As the dean of the White House press corps, Helen is an institution. First with United Press International and now as a White House columnist for Hearst newspapers, Helen has covered every president since John Kennedy.
Congratulations for finally figuring that out, guys — better late than never.
Can we address the falsehoods, distortions, and inaccuracies in the run-up to the War in Iraq, now? No? Somehow, I didn't think so.
Sigh.
Meanwhile, whither that lone front-row seat? Who gets it, Fox or CNN? We'd keep you in suspense except that our headline gave it away: CNN was awarded the seat based, it seems, on seniority: "27 years of covering The White House." Fox only just celebrated its 10-year anniversary this past November, so the seniority metric is an easy one to apply, though the WHCA did note that CNN had made the cut "also for the "resources it brings to the in-town and travel pool," which we guess means Fox needs to beef up somewhere.
Like maybe they should try reporting THE NEWS for a change instead of just reading faxes from the White House?
But in the spirit of collegiality, and given their fair-minded and even-handed coverage of all things liberal and left-leaning over the last 15 years, I would like to offer the following words of condolence to Fox News upon hearing word of this major setback for them, the second body blow to their credibility in as many weeks. I believe Brad from Sadly, No! said it best back in November when he said:
Warning: the following is an example of extreme childishness and poor sportsmanship. You have been warned.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!
YOU LOSE, JERKS!! YOU LIGGITY, LIGGITY, LIGGITY LOOOOOOOOOSE!!!! L-O-S-E, LOSE, LOSE, LOSE! L-O-S-E, LOSE, LOSE, LOSE!!!!
Dickheads.
You'll be alright, though, won't you, Fox News? How much harder can it be to grease Tony Snow's crank and lob softballs from the second row than it is from the first? Yeah, don't cry with your mouth full.
If I were a Democratic strategist, I would urge every Democrat on the Hill to close their briefings and press conferences to Fox News. Why treat them as a legitimate news agency if they refuse to report like one? When you know someone is only there to cherry pick what you're saying in order to misrepresent you on a grand scale, can they still be called a reporter?
Just freeze them out, Democrats. Just like Joe Lieberman ran any and all potentially hostile press out of his press conferences last summer. Eventually, they'll have no one to talk to but themselves. If they bitch about, you know, how in the world do Democrats expect them to take their message to the Fox News audience, we can just say, "Go watch CNN. They'll tell you all about it."
Wouldn't you love to see the look on Brit Hume's face?
Here's another bit of the memo from the WH Correspondents' Association:
As a board, we decided to move CNN to the first row. This decision was based on CNN's 27 years of covering The White House, as well as the resources it brings to the in-town and travel pool, and its daily presence at the briefings. In addition, the board agreed to honor a previous commitment by our association to maintain Helen Thomas' seat in the first row. As the dean of the White House press corps, Helen is an institution. First with United Press International and now as a White House columnist for Hearst newspapers, Helen has covered every president since John Kennedy.
You're darn tootin', ya ingrates! Where you been?
Ah, Pox News. They distort. We deride.



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TRex !!
,,, and Helen Thomas !!
Fitz! Helen! Molly! Jane!
Helen, as always, WE ARE NOT WORTHY!!!!!
And while we’re handing out the laurels one should be passed to Andy Rooney who tonight on 60 Minutes became the first “Mainstream” newsperson to refer to Libby by his correct first name, Irving.
Helen kicks more ass then the rest of them combined
It’s Irve. But good for Rooney anyway.
Thanks, TRex. Helen rocks!
Fox News should be moved somewhere more reflective of their status in journalism. Like the parking lot, or perhaps Kansas.
Helen Thomas is one of my true heroines. I’m glad they came to their senses over this.
TeddySanFran @ 5..Since it is/was also his dads name; Irve must have had issues with pop to change it to an “I”.
Go get ‘em, Helen!
…
One of the front page posters at Howard-Empowered People was in D.C. for peace rallies this weekend, and has written up a couple posts about the experience.
TRex!
and congrats on your happy Friday and the joy of nice new friends….
And TRex, that is a fabulous idea. I’ll be calling, faxing and e-mailing tomorrow.
SP (at work) @ 7
What’s the matter with Kansas?
Why should FuxSnooze get a frontrow seat? They’ve got the podium, for pete’s sake!
Lindy @ 12
Pshaw. The Dems would never have the stones.
TRex @ 15
Stones, perhaps not. Ovaries, maybe.
So is Helen’s frontrow seat the tradeoff for WHCA asking Rich Little not to mock Bush at the big hoedown next month?
guess helen scared them all to hell!!
Brilliant.
Lethal.
Empowering.
Revelatory.
TRex, what a great way to spike Faux’s propaganda.
You’ve created teh BLER strategy against Fox’s distortions.
[big dino - our comments crossed…
so long as a trickle of Dems bar Fox’s hunters, the whole story Fox=propaganda stays alive.
The more Fox screams, the more attention to our message: Fox lies.
The less FOx screams, the lower the threshold for the next Dem.
Obama’s already started. Hillary loathes the vast winger conspiracy – she wouldn’t want Obama’s move to leave her looking a Fox lover, would she?
OK, she probably would.
But lots other Dems need the publicity from taking on Fox and the easy win.
What fun.
That’s our Helen? Thought it was Harriet at first. Now to read.
I just KNEW there was a reason I’m up so far past my bedtime!
Quick! Someone with artistic skills…we need the Pox News logo… And hurrah for Helen Thomas. I’ll see all you good folks in the morning.
They’ll never do it. I know they won’t. Democrats are still too piss-scared of what Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly will say about them.
Why is it that the Republicans are the only ones who have the nerve to be high-handed and make grand gestures?
So glad that Faux got the slap in the face that they surely deserve (for many more reasons than this). Anything that gives Tony Snowjob the tsuris is just grand!
If I were a Democratic strategist, I would urge every Democrat on the Hill to close their briefings and press conferences to Fox News. Why treat them as a legitimate news agency if they refuse to report like one? When you know someone is only there to cherry pick what you’re saying in order to misrepresent you on a grand scale, can they still be called a reporter?
Other than grinding FOX news into the dust, which I hope happens, we need to always remember that FOX is merely the worst of the pack. On the one hand, Dems closing briefings to FOX would make a statement about that. On the other, it ends up being a boycott, or suppression of free speech.
The bottom line is that we need to find a system of rewards for a press which wants the truth, more than we need to develop a system of punishments for those who hide or distort it.
Helen Thomas- what a dame! Imagine what she’s gone through to deserve that seat…
Image of Helen (as Dale Evans, is it?) wonderful, but to me she’ll always be in the sisterhood with Hildy Johnson from “His Girl Friday.”
The bitchez can report about us just fine from the hall.
Bill Clinton got this ball rolling when he wagged his finger at Chris Wallace. But Roger Ailes (the bad one) went overboard at his award ceremony, hyping Obama/Osama, the same week Coulter took refuge from Paula Zahn on Hannity.
They are on the run — if someone on Capitol Hill will start freezing them out, others might follow. It could be a happy cascade. Will they actually admit to their base that they aren’t being allowed to cover Democrats’ events? Or will their base even miss it, until months from now when they slowly wake up and say, “Wait, there’s only Republicans on this station! What happened to that other party, the ones allied with the terrorists?” The base might change the channel then.
At least it would halt CNN and MSNBC from competing for the base of viewers if they saw consequences: become like FuxSnooze and we freeze you out.
EPU from Friday:
Marco
TRex @
15
That doesn’t mean I can’t insist they do it. Whether they do it or not, I can still insist.
Neil @ 28
Homo.
Oh, I forgot to say: I do not think this blog should be covering this topic.
If Rahm Emanuel “asked” the Dems to BOYCOTT Faux I’m all behind it. But Colbert??? GMAFB.
Screw Faux, and EVERYBODY (yeah, that’s you Joe Bidden, Wesley Clark, etc.) that appears on it. I don’t partake
Teddy, you got something against saddles?
TeddySanFran @
31
Quick, somebody say something gay
;>)
SP (at work) @
7
Come on now, Kansas is where Dorothy resided.
TeddySanFran @ 31
Why?
TRex @ 30
Ding!
darkblack @ 34
Have you ever noticed that absolutely every time somebody says, “I’ve got nothing against blah blah blah”, they’re about to tell you what they have against whatever it is? It’s like, “I’m not trying to be an asshole, but now I’m going to be an asshole. I don’t understand why you have such a problem with that.”
Assholes.
you all are a funny bunch!
WaPoO chatz tomorrow; questions accepted anytime!
Congressional Reporter Shailagh Murray at 11am eastern.
“The War Tapes” documentarian Deborah Scranton at Noon eastern.
Is Obama still freezing FOX out? I hope so. And good for Edwards for being the first to refuse to debate on FOX in Nevada.
I’ve been saying…
OldCoastie @ 39
Aw, shucks.
Just doin’ muh job, ma’am.
Absolutely. FOX’s rightwingnutty, Democrat hating, Bush butt kissing, unfair and unbalanced reporting warrants putting them into the deep freeze.
TRex @ 38
You had the Andy Rooney thing going strong until the end.
;>)
Terry Olson @ 41
Well, you know, why invite somebody to your house when you know they’re going to drink up all your liquor and then puke on the couch? And then blame you for getting them drunk?
They’ve certainly shown their asses over the years. Let them figure it out.
TRex, yup.
Is that the form to which you refer?
The Lword was good tonight. So was Rome.
TeddySanFran @ 46
Is that the form to which you refer?
Did I write that?
Also on the WaPo chatz tomorrow:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01581.html
There was an interesting article in the Sunday Outlook section written by a 25 year old black guy talking about how his generation is much more comfortable about race and biracial relationships. This chat is with the author.
lolo @ 47
That show has the worst theme song ever.
Ev.
Er.
Actually, I had dreamed up a solution to Fox News’s plight regarding fashionable front row seats.
My solution is creative. First install a throne for Helen — something fairly high off the floor. Then require Fox to hire a very short person as WH Correspondant, a munchkin perhaps, and designate the space under Helen’s throne as Fox’s squat space. Double Decker would work fine.
TRex: No, no!
But late last summer, that was how I first learned to tell our friends from our “friends.” The people who come in and say, “I’ve been a longtime reader of FDL, but I just can’t understand blah blah blah….”
Assholes.
fewer seats in the newly-refurbished briefing room (7 seats per rows for 7 rows instead of 6 seats per row for 8 rows)
Um, is this new math, or is it in the wrong order? Because last I checked 7 times 7 was one more than 6 times 8.
But I’m glad Helen got her front-row chair back.
Ed*ard Teller @ 24
ET, I so respect your opinion (except for your voluntarily living in a freezer, but I’m from LA, so I’ll call that one a draw).
But here I disagree.
The 1st Amendment protects freedom of association and freedom of speech.
The Constitution rightly compels public officials to allow Fox
newsdrones into public events open to “media”, but prevents the same officials from being forced to associate (speak) with the Fox drones.Public officials aren’t obligated to include anyone in their private gatherings – should they choose to discuss events with invited media and guests at a private facility on private time…like during election appearances – they are not impinging upon Fox’s right to speak freely.
I may share my beliefs about my neighbors’ sexual practices with anyone I choose.
I may not invade my neighbors’ premises to observe their sexual practices.
(Digression:
Unless, of course, that’s what their craig’s list personal requests. This may or may/not be
peculiarlocalto SFand LAand West Coastcities…Even in SF, however, multiple address verifications are still most
prudentwise before initial encounters.Clinic is seldom dull.)
Sara @ 51
Perhaps it could be a sedan chair, carried in by Shepherd Smith, Sean Hannity, and those horrid FuxSnooze morning people. All of whom would have to leave after carrying Her Thomasness to the front of the room.
P J Evans @ 53
It’s Karl’s THE MATH.
im having a good week.
I wrote letters (emails actually) regarding the Nevada Pox debate, and the Helen Thomas issue.
In both cases, my arguments must have been persuasive. :)
I tried to follow trex’s lte rules, and refrain from saying cocksucker.
Sure feels good to have the wind at our backs for a change.
TeddySanFran @
31
Why, Teddy?
TeddySanFran @ 56
Or, teh math?
soooo pox news didnt get that coveted seat – nyahh nyahhh nyahhh – picture me LMBAO!!!!!
TeddySanFran @ 46
Or, “Normally this site does top notch work in fomenting the liberal agenda, but today’s blog piece really burned my biscuits…How dare you chivvy and harass (fill in the blank), friend of the downtrodden and oppressed, rescuer of stray pets, tireless fighter for the progressive agenda blah blah…I’m taking you off my favorites henceforth, you’ve lost the plot…”
Assholes.
TeddySanFran @ 55
That makes me think of Madeline Kahn in History of the World Part one.
“Get! In! Step! My tits are falling off!”
Way to go, UP!
Helen is definitely an Annie Oakley. Can’t wait to hear her first snarky, pointed question to Snowman.
darkblack @ 61
Methinks your excellence in recalling such missives indicates extensive personal history receiving them, Bouncer!
darkblack @ 44
Emily Rooney, Andy Rooney’s daughter, does a half hour weeknight show on PBS called Greater Boston. She had her dad on one night. It was the most interesting segment I can remember that she’s ever had. At the end of the segment, she thanked him and started introducing the next topic. Then she interrupted herself and said, “See you for dinner?” to which he said “Who’s paying?” to which she responded “You are.”
Look who DoJ had asked to train other USAttorneys in election crime pursuit: Iglesias.
Excuse Number 98 bites the dust.
TREX –
OT – I took your advice and wrote to Mike Matlius, editor of The State Journal-Register, encouraging him to drop Ann Coulter’s column from his paper.
We wrote back and forth a bit – he’s kinda funny. Or sarcastic. I’m not really sure. Anyhow – I don’t think his paper dropped her yet, did they?
If not – I told him he might hear from more folks this coming week, since he’ll be back from vacation :-)
TeddySanFran @ 65
…
‘It’s so 2004, I want to scream’
;>)
‘Well-meaning’ is the new ‘asshole’, IMO.
P J Evans @ 53
That’s the old math whcih wasn’t working out for Bush admin. Now 7 x 7 is less than 6 x 8.
Neil @ 71
Are they measuring their cells already?
Didn’t people organize sending bouquets-of-red-roses for Helen Thomas a while back to reward particularly gritty questioning? Is this something we should do when the new press room opens, just to be sure her colleagues know how much we still love her?
Plus, if I recall, she sent the flowers on to Walter Reed, so it’s a two-fer.
TeddySanFran @ 67
That’s hysterical. Lotta poison fruit going to fall from this tree, I think.
Dems have had subpoena power for 6 weeks so far. My popcorn bill is through the roof.
RagingGurrl @ 68
Oh GOOD for YOU! I can’t think of anything I’d rather do in the morning then contact this clown. Can you give us contact info including his name? Sorry if I missed this – been swamped with work duties.
kirk murphy @ 72
I bet Martha Stewart could teach them a thing or two about how to make it homey.
Didn’t she get into trouble for picking crab-apples on prison grounds and teaching the staff how to make them into jam?
You kind of have to admire that. But I wouldn’t ever want her for a roommate. Or a boss.
Seriously, do people really think that Jane would have asked TRex and Pach to post on this site if she wasn’t interested in promoting gay politics and gay perspectives? And isn’t it interesting that the more creative and flamboyant aspects of gay culture are the ones that embarrass and irritate certain self claimed progressives?
kirk murphy @ 72
A little jail time for breaking the law wouldn’t be a bad thing to reinforce the notion that we are a country defined by the rule of law. If not, I fear what future Presindents will do.
TRex @ 76
What a cellie – bet she got whichever bunk she wanted.
OTOH, if she carved a gun, she’d use only the best milled and exquisitely scented French soap. would be well milled and divinely scented.
____________________________
and Neil – I couldn’t agree with you more.
From your keyboard to the prosecutors’ writs.
Or whatevers.
#75 newspaperbrat -
Ya – mike.matulis@sj-r.com editorial page editor, The State Journal-Register in Springfield, Ill.
TeddySanFran @ 73
Yes, yes!
Remember folks, the White House Correspondents’ Association was the one that turned a blind eye to Jeff Gannon in the room for a year. Professional experienced Gannon.
They made a big deal about giving people long term passes so he just kept re-upping his day pass and they let him pass with a wink because he found a loophole.
It’s a little closed club except if you are in bed with the White House, then they will look the other way because, because why again?
helen t. rawks. is there more to be said of her, beyond “may you live forever?”
i would make a bad brittney joke here, but that would get me shot in the face, so i won’t.
now if we can just move pox news out completely………………… sighhh one can hope…..
Roses for Helen Thomas.
And don’t forget the truly great respect Stephen Colbert gave Helen at the White House Correspondent’s Dinner. So cool!
http://video.google.com/videop…..7758574879
Oh, I almost forgot, since it’s been about an hour since the Meet the Press re-run on MSNBC…
Dick Cheney Controls Tim Russert!
Terry Olson @ 86
My mom and I saw that together. We were at the beach. We liked to bust a gut, as they say.
Jacqrat @
87
After Timmeh said today that AbuG had declined his invitation to appear, I wondered: has any Bushie appeared on MTP since the Libby trial “control the message” disclosure by Cathie Martin?
I sent Helen an email thanking her for her doing the WHCD bit with Colbert. got an email back that i think was personally done by her.
and pox news sunday pretty much called valerie plame a liar – so i’ll try to give a few ducats to her legal fund so she can get civil justice at least
chicago dyke @ 83
‘Only Dicks do that’
;>)
We should track down every reporter and pundit who wrote Plame was not covert, had a desk job, etc etc and ask them to correct the record and call out their source.
Who wants to write Byron York?
darkblack, did you say dick? “hard, strong, long, Dick???”
whatever you do, Do Not go over to kos and comment or recommend on this diary.
worlds depend on it.
darkblack @ 92
chicago dyke @ 83
…but that would get me shot in the face, so i won’t.
‘Only Dicks do that’
;>)
It is *pause* Dicks like that that give Dicks a bad name.
OfT:
Memories of a forgotten Bay Area earthquake fifty years ago.
chicago dyke @ 94
I would never pass comment on such seething cauldrons of repressed homoeroticism, CD.
Never.
The Dick that I am referring to is wholesome, clean-cut, and discreet in his unseemly displays.
;>)
TeddySanFran @
89
Looks like Feb 18 was the last time (Tony Snowjob). He’s definitely “WH”. but check it yourself, here.
Actually, regarding the location of the Pox WH reporter, they don’t even need to attend the conferences to report what they hear.They know what they are going to say already!
gnight, dark. hahahaha. sleep well, my heteromanly friend.
kelven @ 77
Yeah, it’s been so long since we had to deal with people who showed up in comments and told the author they were doing in wrong, I’d almost forgotten what it was like. And how frequently we had to fight it off in the earlier days. Weird.
itwasntme @ 99
Just like how Byron York didn’t have to take many notes at the Libby trial, eh?
TRex @
38
Glenn Beck seems to be making a career out of this very sort of petitio principii operation. I honestly thought he was a parody when I first saw him months and months ago and when I figured out he was for real, said to myself, “Well that can’t possible last long outside of Fox or the KKK.”
Well, every time I flit past MSNBC at the wrong moment, the damn thing is still there.
Rest well, CD….The fight never sleeps
;>)
comments like this oppress those who made comments telling Jane and Pach what to write.
please continue your fine work.
Redshift @ 101
Things you never hear when these sort of issues are raised:
‘By golly, I’m thinking of starting my own blog if things don’t change around here to my liking’
;>)
“Bouncer, I’d like my cover charge refunded” is another thing we never hear much….
Redshift @ 101
I was getting flashbacks.
and kelvin@ 77 – so what u saying? and ur problem is WHAT exactly – tho i feel i already know…………
Satan-worshipping homos and foul-mouthed wimmenfolk: my kinda peeps.
juslin @ 91
This is just what I’m running into.
I try to be patient, I try to just tell people it’s serious enough to want to do right. I used some of LHP’s excellent post from today, about double jeopardy. All in all, it is very slow going, trying to explain something to people who don’t want to hear truth.
TeddySanFran @ 107
“This Plamegate coverage isn’t in-depth enough”
;>)
“Don’t you people write about anything but Joe Lieberman?” — an oldie but goodie from 2006!
OT- but this is a fun story to watch (Chiquita). THE NYT article doesn’t mention that the former Chiquita CEO – the current Sun Times CEO – is the CEO of the renamed Hollinger. Small world.
Thats my Fitz angle. :)
juslin @ 109
Hmmm… I guess my problem is people who like to jump on the bandwagon of the hottest blog in town and then have the chutzpa to try and bully some of the fiercest posters there into “toning down teh gay stuff”…
Senate Intel Committee: What Valerie Plame Didn’t Tell Us
The differences between her House testimony and the Senate’s findings.
March 19, 2007
By Byron York
During her testimony Friday before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, former CIA employee Valerie Plame told how her husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, came to travel to Niger to investigate claims Iraq had tried to buy uranium there.
It started in February 2002, Mrs. Wilson testified. “A young junior officer who worked for me came to me very concerned, very upset. She had just received a telephone call on her desk from someone, I don’t know who, in the Office of the Vice President, asking about this report of this alleged sale of yellowcake uranium from Niger to Iraq.”
It was not clear from Mrs. Wilson’s testimony why the junior officer was upset. But as the young officer told her story, Mrs. Wilson continued, an element of chance intruded. “As she was telling me what had just happened, someone passed by, another officer heard this. He knew that Joe had already — my husband — had already gone on some CIA missions previously to deal with other nuclear matters. And he suggested, ‘Well, why don’t we send Joe?’” That, Mrs. Wilson testified, was the beginning of her husband’s mission to Africa.
As Mrs. Wilson told her story, some members and staff of the Senate Intelligence Committee watched with great interest. As part of its probe into pre-war intelligence, the committee interviewed Valerie Plame Wilson for the portions of the committee’s report dealing with the Niger uranium matter. At that time, as now, the question of how the CIA chose Joseph Wilson for the Niger trip was a subject of great interest. But Missouri Republican Sen. Christopher Bond, vice chairman of the committee, says Mrs. Wilson did not tell the committee about the young junior officer, the call from the vice president’s office, or the passing CIA official who suggested Joseph Wilson’s name.
“Friday was the first time we have ever heard that story,” Sen. Bond said in a statement to National Review Sunday evening. “Obviously if we had, we would have included it in the report. If Ms. Wilson’s memory of events has improved and she would now like to change her testimony, I’m sure the committee staff would be happy to re-interview her.”
Neil @ 71
Must be the case… they’re using the same math for troop escalations….
“I’ve seen enough of that pic with Jane Hamsher and Valerie Plame Wilson at a dinner party in little black dresses.” — another blast from the 2006 past.
TeddySanFran @ 113
Well, at the time there was so much of him to love.
;>)
“Why don’t you write about the good news for a change?”
Do you have to swear so much?
Suzanne @
120
Honestly, your point could be made so much clearer if you didn’t say GO FUCK YOURSELF WITH DICK CHENEY’S SHOTGUN so fucking much.
kelvin @115
ok i’m obtuse – i still dont get what ure saying…………….smooth it out for me…
‘I insist you take that down immediately’
Amusing thing, the flailing about when we get rowdy over here. But it’s the rowdy i LIKE. Particularly when the Orangarie gets really morose. Humor is more powerful.
‘Repeat, I insist’
ohhh good one, db, that one is a classic.
Finally on Friday, Mrs. Wilson, as well as California Democratic Rep. Henry Waxman, the committee chairman, addressed the issue of her status within the CIA. “I’ve served the United States loyally and to the best of my ability as a covert operations officer for the Central Intelligence Agency,” Mrs. Wilson testified. “In the run-up to the war with Iraq, I worked in the Counterproliferation Division of the CIA, still as a covert officer whose affiliation with the CIA was classified.”
At the hearing, Waxman said that he had spoken with CIA Director Gen. Michael Hayden, who approved a statement Waxman read to the committee. “During her employment at the CIA, Ms. Wilson was undercover,” Waxman said. “Her employment status with the CIA was classified information…At the time of the publication of Robert Novak’s column on July 14, 2003, Ms. Wilson’s CIA employment status was covert. This was classified information.” A CIA spokesman later told National Review Online that Waxman’s characterization of the matter was “entirely correct.”
On a personal note, there have been accusations from supporters of the Wilsons that I have, at various times during the CIA-leak affair, declared that Mrs. Wilson was not a covert agent. I did report extensively on CIA leak prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald’s avoidance of the word “covert,” his refusal to say what Mrs. Wilson’s status was (beyond “classified”), the Libby trial judge’s declaration that he did not know if Mrs. Wilson was covert, classified, or other, and the testimony at the Libby trial from top officials in the CIA and State Department that they did not tell anyone in the vice president’s office that Mrs. Wilson was covert, classified, or anything else. I also reported, as the pre-trial phase of the Libby case got underway, that Libby defense lawyer Ted Wells asked, “Was she just classified because some bureaucracy didn’t declassify her five years ago when they should have?” On February 27 2006, I wrote:
Wells’s speculation about Wilson’s status matches up with descriptions of Wilson’s employment offered by some knowledgeable sources. There appears to be no doubt that Wilson was a covert CIA agent at the beginning and during much of her career; people who trained with her and who served with her attest to that. But there are questions about whether Wilson was in any practical way operating undercover in the years leading up to her exposure in the Novak column. The Libby team seemed to be suggesting that Wilson’s classified status, if that is what she had, was vestigial — that her undercover days were over and she only retained that status on paper.
One knowledgeable source suggests that might be the case, but maintains that being technically undercover was still being undercover. “She was definitely undercover by agency standards at the time in question,” the source says. “That was a classified bit of information, and is sufficient as far as the agency is concerned to bring it to the attention of the Justice Department. You can argue whether she should have been, but as far as the agency was concerned it was classified.”
There have been reports that Valerie Plame Wilson was changing jobs — and job status — at the CIA when the leak of her identity occurred. In their book Hubris, David Corn — a reporter for The Nation who has worked closely with Joseph Wilson — and Newsweek’s Michael Isikoff wrote that
Prior to the leak, [Valerie Plame Wilson] had started to change her status from nonofficial cover to official cover. She was in the process of leaving the Joint Task Force on Iraq to assume a personnel management position within the CIA. After sixteen years in operations, she wasn’t relishing the new job. But others at the agency had advised her to put in some time as an administrator to rise through the ranks. She wanted to maintain official cover so she could return to operations. But her need for deep-cover NOC [nonofficial cover] status had passed. The paperwork for this transition was in motion when Novak’s column hit.
That passage, if correct, suggests that Mrs. Wilson was not performing in any deep-cover capacity, and perhaps not in any classified capacity at all, when the Novak column was published. But she nevertheless maintained a classified status, with the possibility — perhaps made somewhat remote by her husband’s increasingly high-profile actions — of returning to covert work in the future. That, together with her own actions like attending the Senate Democratic Policy Committee or meeting with Nicholas Kristof, fueled confusion and enormous controversy about her status. I think that, given all of what we know today, my description of her status was accurate.
‘You’ve set the movement back (fill in measurement of time sufficient to prove serious intent)’
Redshift @ 101
Maybe we scared them off. Or, in the alternative, they realized we are beyond redemption and it was hopeless.
You have a secret anti-progressive agenda!
While all of you are spending time on (insert topic here) there are people (insert horrible tragedy here)!
Why are you IGNORING THIS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!11111
I refuse to read this blog until you address this horrific dereliction…
YOU’RE OPPRESSING ME!!
another good one, jacqrat.
darkblack @ 123
Do you mean my pants? Excuse me, but I’m married.
TeddySanFran @
55
“Her Thomasness”!!!! Love it!
TRex @ 130
I do, if Hillary’s a progressive. How did you find out?
Ugh.
You guys, I need a wealthy patron.
Or a fat tax refund. There’s just too many bright shiny objects that are calling to me. I would be so much more spiritually whole if only I had a Nokia 7373 phone.
Why won’t people just give me things for being smart and talented?
TRex @ 137
Dude, just read The Secret and soon it will be yours!
‘Now, you know Candidate X has loser stink all over them…Since there’s no chance, why all the wasted effort? Why?‘
First you have to write that book, TRex.
@ 127
Byron York tries to slink his way through a denial that he wrote ‘Plame was not covert’ and he discusses the topic in a way that clearly implies there is still doubt. It’s hard to believe he is a serious journalist pundit who cares to get it right.
All this bullshit in spite of this in another part of his article:
Neil @ 141
I’m almost certain he’ll be on NPR tomorrow being treated as an expert on the case.
Neil @ 127 -
Shorter Byron York: I’m right even if the Director of the CIA says I’m not, because I know more about covert operatives than he does, plus I have “reports.” And I never really said that, either.
juslin @ 122
I would refer you to last nights post and comments which several people referred to tonight. There were several people who didn’t think a post about gaydar was appropriate for a political blog.
And please spell my name correctly…
Suzanne @ 90
I sent her a birthday card this year, and she responded personally. I felt honored.
Marco
Lindy! You’re up late. Are you working tomorrow?
Neil @
147
Yep, planning on it. I don’t sleep so well these days.
Okay, gang. I’m off to bed. You kids play nicely, now.
TRex @ 149
yessir
KELVEN@ 144
i stand corrected as i didnt get a chance to read last nights post – its clear i’m no einstein – pardonnez-moi svp
York:
I didn’t report “Plame was not covert” No, I reported what others said, like Wells, Libby’s defense attorney and some reliable source.
But if truth be told, I don’t think she was REALLY covert.
Oh yeah I almost forgot, Waxman said the CIA director said she was covert, and then the CIA spokesman called me back and confirmed it so maybe its true… but still I don’t think she was REALLY covert at the end of her career, know what I mean? There’s just too much doubt.
kelven @ 144
Which is especially bizarre considering one party, which shall remain nameless in the interests of propriety, makes a large part of its identity about marginalizing and demonizing gays. And. guess what. it’s a political party. Not to mention that the author is, well, you know, like gay himself. And it was funny.
OTH, we now have a new code for when ever we see Mehlman or Senator Huckleberry on the teevee.
Marco!
Lindy, I remember you from gabbly during the trial. That group on gabbly was fun. Did you ever live in NYC, have a friend named gail?
Neil @ 152
OK, she was covert, but not double-secret covert.
How does Sen. Huckleberry live with himself? How can he not take the gay bashing personally?
Neil @ 156
How any of these people live with themselves is beyond me. How does Mary Cheney, or her mom? David Drier? The list is a long one.
Neil @ 154
I lived in NYC long ago. I didn’t have a friend there named Gail, though.
Marco!
How cool is that!
TeddySanFran @
89
Teddy, if you are still here. I’ve been thinking a lot, and really, having Tom Delay on today repeating the same Dick Cheney talking points about Iraq gets same results…. even if it’s not a true “Bushie” repeating them.
Gale married Carl.
Morris Sheppard @ 157
But, but, but talking about Mary Cheney is crossing the line damit! She is after all the right kind of gay. These bastards are hypocritical to the enth degree.
Neil @ 161
Nope. that wasn’t me.
Put a cigar in Dick Cheney’s mouth and he’s the penguin on Batman.
If Gonzales makes it through April, he will stay. At that point some very good aspects kick in for him and it will be smooth sailing…however…getting to April will be the challenge. We should get him out now before he gets lucky.
No, no rats….as I write this I can hear a patrol running across the attic slamming and banging right past the Zapper.
G’nite, pups. Gonna go to bed…to sleep, perchance to dream.
morris sheppard@153
ahhhh duly noted – next time i’ll be sure to read posts so i’ll know what i’m talking about….. slinking away with tail between my legs…………
spiderpaws @ 165
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Two thoughts here related to Saturday’s fascinating, fun “Where should a violation of the Espionage Act by the VP’s office be tried?” thread:
1) I think the fact that the chain of succession to the Presidency runs through the Speaker of the House, even when the House is held by the opposite party, is a political minefield. It is delightful to dream of President Pelosi, but it would be political suicide to take over the government in this way. I say this not to forestall impeachments of either or both Bush and Cheney. Merely that we need to think this through. I think it would be better to let the presidency pass to some Republican, who would be a lame AND flightless duck for a few months, until the voters could endorse a change of executive power.
2) To tie together the two themes of that thread — the evil of Cheney and St. Patrick’s Day — there’s nothing more perfect than the Pogues song “I’m a Man You Don’t Meet Everyday.” In the traditional version, the man remembers going hunting with his dog. In the Pogues version, he remembers shooting his own dog, rendering a man commonly thought merely a boastful man of the pub into an arrogant and murderous Scottish laird of Irish peasants:
I have acres of land
I have men at command
I have always a shilling to spare
So be easy and free
When youre drinking with me
Im a man you dont meet every day
So come fill up your glasses
Of brandy and wine
Whatever it costs I will pay
So be easy and free
When youre drinking with me
Im a man you dont meet every day
Well I took out my dog
And him I did shoot
All down in the county kildare
So be easy and free
When youre drinking with me
Im a man you dont meet every day
dang, spidey…
jacqrat….!
TRex @ 142
Me too.
suzy…!
darkblack @
92
now on youtube: “Dick in a Pox”
nuncamas @ 159
Polo!
kelven @ 144
That would get me hot under the collar.
Neil @ 164
I tell my husband that almost daily. I’ve never heard anyone else make that comparison. I completely agree!
Well, that’s about it for me tonight, firepups. G’nite all.
How’s this for a defensive line: “I think that, given all of what we know today, my description of her status was accurate.” That’s Byron York after hearing that the CIA Director Gates confirmed that at the time of Novak’s column, Valerie Plame Wilson was covert and had done covert operations overseas within the past five years, which means she was covered under the IIPA.
So, just for shits and giggles, I tried to look up his “description” of her status. That turns out to be nearly impossible. Mr. York is someone who so hates to be wrong that he never commits to anything. Rather his stock in trade is the innuendo, as in “Valerie Plame: Was she, or wasn’t she?” http://www.nationalreview.com/…..060919.asp
…bye suzanne…everyone seems to be caving early here…wuddup?
I wanna see Byron York’s hair fight Tucker Carlson’s hair.
TeddySanFran–I’d go for that! Of course, I’d want to be holding the candle next to Byron’s hair. Kidding, of course.
March 15, 2007 8:50 AM
Ten Questions for Valerie Plame Wilson
She’s set to testify before the House tomorrow. Here’s what the public needs to know.
By Byron York
Valerie Plame Wilson, the woman at the heart of the CIA-leak affair, is scheduled to testify tomorrow before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. There she will, for the first time, face questions about her role in the Niger uranium matter that eventually became the basis of the CIA-leak investigation. Here are a few questions Mrs. Wilson might be asked:
1) In a 2004 report, the Senate Intelligence Committee quoted a memo you wrote to the deputy chief of the CIA’s counterproliferation division (CPD) on February 12, 2002. In it, you suggested your husband for a trip to Niger to investigate reports that Iraq had sought uranium there. According to the Senate report, you wrote, “My husband has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity.” Was that all your memo said? Was there any more? If so, what did it say?
2) Your memo was dated February 12, 2002. Was that before or after you learned that Vice President Cheney had asked a question about reports of Iraqi attempts to buy uranium in Niger?
3) On February 19, 2002, according to the Senate report, the CPD held a meeting with your husband to discuss a trip to Niger. A State Department report said the meeting was “apparently convened by [Joseph Wilson’s] wife who had the idea to dispatch [him] to use his contacts to sort out the Iraq-Niger uranium issue.” Is that accurate? Please describe what happened.
4) In January 2004, Vanity Fair published an article touching on your role in the Niger uranium affair. It said
In early May [2003], Wilson and Plame attended a conference sponsored by the Senate Democratic Policy Committee, at which Wilson spoke about Iraq; one of the other panelists was the New York Times journalist Nicholas Kristof. Over breakfast the next morning with Kristof and his wife, Wilson told about his trip to Niger and said Kristof could write about it, but not name him.
Is that account accurate? If so, please describe what you said to your fellow attendees, either publicly or privately, at the Democratic Policy Committee meeting.
5) There have been some questions about the wording of the Vanity Fair paragraph quote above, which says that your husband met for breakfast with “Kristof and his wife.” Just to be clear: were you at that breakfast? If so, what was said?
6) On June 13, 2003, Kristof wrote a column about the Niger-uranium matter. He wrote that he was “piecing the story together from two people directly involved and three others who were briefed on it.” Were you one of those people?
7) A month earlier, on May 6, 2003, Kristof wrote a column reporting that “In February 2002, according to someone present at the meetings, that envoy reported to the CIA and State Department that the information [of a Niger-Iraq uranium deal] was unequivocally wrong and that the documents [purporting to show such a deal] had been forged.” Kristof was later forced to admit that the envoy, your husband, had not actually seen the documents he claimed to have debunked. Did you know that at the time? Did you play any role in the preparation of that article?
8) At the Lewis Libby trial, Judge Reggie Walton said that he did not know if your job status was covert, classified, or other on July 14, 2003, the day your name was published in a column by Robert Novak. What is the answer?
9) Was your job status changing, or had it changed, during your last years at the agency? If so, when, and for what reason?
10) If your status was either covert or classified, and if you did in fact meet with the Senate Democratic Policy Committee and with Nicholas Kristof, did you view it as part of your covert or classified work to meet with political groups and a columnist from the New York Times to discuss matters within your purview at the CIA?
TeddySanFran @ 181
Byron’s hair will scratch Tucker’s hair’s eyes out.
Neil @ 183
Mrs Wilson was a covert agent at the time of the outing. Unless you are the head of the CIA (you’re not) or know something he doesn’t (you don’t) your questions are another pathetic attempt to divert the attention of the kool aid drinkers to the shiny objects in the background. If you had watched the hearings you would know the answers to your shiny questions.
Neil @ 184
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Thanks Teddy and Neil!
Goodnight to both of you and all on the Lake …from here in fogland.
chicago dyke @ 94
I’m sure hoping that was supposed to be a funny article, because I’d hate to say I laughed my butt off only to find out that was an insult. I particularly don’t want to skewered on the long spear of one of your metaphors. Or something like that.
TeddySanFran @ 181
Like Superman vs. Spiderman, only furrier.
Emptywheel alert!
She’s over at DailyKos with a “recommended” diary on “Waxman Hearing: Tom Davis Reveals His Cards“
–with 144 comments so far.
Bob in HI
Thanks for the link, Bob S. Looks like the “insta-declassification” thing will be good for weeks of amusement.
Everybody has gone away, I guess. Well, when the morning crew gets here, how about telling me who you think “Leaker Zero” is.
Goodnight, all.
Bob Schacht @ 189
Emptywheel is dreamy. So is Spiderpaws.
Jeralyn alert over at TalkLeft:
PurgeGate: Just Misteps or Were Crimes Committed
How many crimes did the DOJ commit in PurgeGate so far? They are counting the ways… I guess that’s why there was no question mark at the end of the title :-)
Bob in HI
If Helen Thomas were President, she’d be Baberaham Lincoln.
I don’t mean to be a killjoy. I’m as liberal as they come and I’m genuinely pleased that Murdock’s Munchkins didn’t get the front row seat but all this flack about Helen Thomas has gone too far. Where corespondents sit in the briefing room isn’t actually news; it’s gossip. It’s the same kind of thing that ends up in People & US magazines just centering on a different set of celebrities.
I’m getting increasingly annoyed by the news industry wanting to report on itself more than it wants to report on the world. Helen Thomas is just the newest instance of this.
kirk murphy @
13
Don’t get me started. :)
But that’s not how I meant it. I meant it purely in terms of distance from the front row. Kansas, Toronto, middle of the Atlantic Ocean…it’s all good.
Hey – TRex and Kirk Murphy (I think?) – you guys are right. FOX is beyond the pale. I’ve been thinking about it all evening and into the night.
Reading this Digby post, which was probably referenced at fdl 20 times Sunday, but which I missed until now, put me over the top.
FOX is beyond the pale. They really aren’t a news organization now, if they ever were one.
Thanks for pushing me on the issue…
Good Morning, Firepups!
Still dark, cloudy, and only moderately cold [high 20s] in central Jersey, with rain in the forecast. We’re still a mess from three inches of sleet on Friday.
I’ve made a big pot of coffee, and I’m taking some morning glory muffins out of the oven. Help yourselves.
Work for peace, every day.
They are quoting Trump on Imus, “the worst president ever”.
what has w done to our world?
Good morning, pups. Thanks to njprogressive for the coffee and the muffins. I’ll bite (no pun intended, much…) and ask: What’s a morning glory muffin? That’s a new one for me.
Today the NYT has Bob Herbert on the death of a Marine and Paul Krugman on the “Reagan legacy.”
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
I’m stumbling off to the shower, and I’ll have some tea ready for you when I get back.
Now that I’m all clean and scrubbed, here’s a big pot of English Breakfast tea.
Good Morning, Marion
Morning Glory muffins are mini-carrot cakes [only slightly healthier, with the recipe I use [which I have altered–I always use a Granny Smith apple, whole wheat flour, skip the canned pineapple, add 1/4 c wheat germ, and substitute unsweetened applesauce for the apple butter]. Oh, and I plump the raisins in some hot water before I used them [although you could use rum or other liquid].
Mornin’ all!
Mornin’.
Oh, njprogressive, they sound YUMMY! Thanks for the linky to the recipe. They’re going to be added to my repertoire. {channelling Oliver Twist} Please, may I have another?
[offering warm muffins on a tray] Help yourselves, ‘pups.
Gotta run.
Work for peace, every day.
Plamegate Gonzogate link
Hi, all you dear morning people -
Gotta share a tidbit from over at thinkprogress wrt the latest McClatchy article on USA firings: from one of the surfacing communications…….. “The real problem we have right now w/Carol Lam”. chimpeach said, “That’s nothing compared to the real problem you’re about to have w/Patrick Leahy”. [my bold]
Oh, and the freaking wingers are out in force on call-ins to Washington Journal about hauling WH staff for hearings under oath. As another delightful wag said, “Tit, meet tat.”
twolf!
“That old arab” Helen Thomas!
Good morning all!
Gotta feed the kids, so I’ll be in and out. Lots of strong coffee.
mornin’ pups
Hey Tommy, how goes it?
Hey cbl, tommy, Waccamaw. How’s it going.
Njp thanks for the muffins and coffee. Marion thanks for the tea. Glad someone is taking care of us.
Say a quick prayer for USA Today’s Susan Page who’s coming up on the 8:30 slot of Wash Jour to talk about their latest poll……..the wingers are gonna go for blood wrt the new Brit/German poll saying the Iraquis just *love* the way things are going in their homeland.
twolf1 @ 212
Aw, can’t complain. It’s cold outside, but in the service of spring. The rains of a few days ago are going to push everything over the edge: the camellias into bloom, the field towards shagginess. And, after that first mowing: croquet.
It’s that perfect NC combination of no bugs and sunshine. Don’t last long.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03…..ref=slogin Adam Cohen has an opinion piece in the NY Times about purgegate and why it may be illegal. Maybe Marion will include it with Krugman’s and Herbert’s columns. It is well worth the read.
I heard that, the Kudzu is still down too but the groundhogs are in full mating frenzy in the backyard here in Athens!
C Span this week -
Senate Judiciary Comm.
Tuesday
3/20/07 10 am
COMBATING WAR PROFITEERING: ARE WE DOING ENOUGH TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE CONTRACTING FRAUD AND ABUSE IN IRAQ
Senate Judiciary Comm.
Wednesday
3/21/07 10am
MISUSE OF PATRIOT ACT POWERS: THE INSPECTOR GENERAL’S FINDINGS OF IMPR
Thursday
3/22/7
Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND) and Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) co-chair a meeting on the national security implicatings of disclosing a covert agent’s identity. Former intelligence agents participate in the meeting, co-sponsored by the Sen. Democratic Policy Committee and Democratic members of the Hse. Gov. Reform Comm.
7/22/2005: WASHINGTON, DC: 2 hr. 15 min.: CSPAN3
(hearing time not yet listed)
suggestion for the book club Han Fei Tzu if cheney wants to create a police state understanding Han will help us understand how and why cheney thinks/justifes setting up a police state. Han was the guy the first emperor of China turned to to create his police state. Imagine Orwell’s 1984 actually put into practice without the spy tech we have now. Its enough to make you want to get a passport. Although Han was nowhere near as inept as cheney. Hmm? Maybe that is the failure of the bush presidency that despite 9/11 the bushies failed to use all that 9/11 patriotic goodwill to establish MAJORITY SUPPORT for the police state that they are trying to establish.
good morning egregious –
from JPL’s NYT linky
oooh think about it, little Jack still at his ‘desk’ in prison, still chattering away on his sentence. . . well, that is if there’s anyone left at DOJ to handle the case ;)
I am delighted to see this case coming back under the microscope. It’s one of the first investigations to results in a US Attorney firing.
cbl @ 4:41 & 4:46 -
Thank you, darlin’, for adding a few more rays of sunshine to the morning; looks like another fun week in the offing. ;-)
House Jud. Comm.to revisit Guam USA
and in case you didn’t see it, here’s your Chairman
It’ Miller Time
(h/t C&L)
Scarecrow Upstairs – Past Toensing
New thread
Waccamaw @ 214
Yep. Personally I just hate it when the day doesn’t begin with explosions, shootings, neighbours dragged off, checkpoints, lack of electricity, kidnappings and a trip to the morgue to identify loved ones.
If I was a travel agent I’d be offering a Bliss outside the Green Zone Getaway Spring Special but alas…no fortune for me to be made there!
I’ve been confused by this statement every time I’ve seen it:
“owing to the combination of fewer seats in the newly-refurbished briefing room (7 seats per rows for 7 rows instead of 6 seats per row for 8 rows).”
7 * 7 = 49
6 * 8 = 48
49 > 48
How does this translate to “fewer seats”?
Blaise Faint @
227
Old: 6 * 8 = 48 seats, 6 of which were front row, of which Helen T had one and CNN and Fox had none.
New: 7 * 7 = 49 seats, 7 of which are front row. Helen was bumped so that both CNN *and* Fox could have front-row seats.
Now, who lives the the red house, drinks vodka and owns a zebra?
HotFlash—the zebra logic puzzle! I loved that one. Somehow don’t remember it had vodka…
Helen Rocks! She’s a real American hero. Go Helen!
TeddySanFran @
1
Just getting here. Helen Thomas should have her representation in Statutary Hall of the Capital. TRex, would yours at the Smithsonian do?
Hi, Mandrake -
Give me an e-mail when you get a chance wrt how things are going in your world these days.
Democrats ban Pox News from their briefings? Crikey! Next you’ll demand that the White House ban The New York Times from Air Force One.
You know, with you guys, it’s all, ’screw you and the horse you rode in on.’ But call me species-ist, but I have to draw the line somewhere. Horses? Ewwww! But, as Handel wrote in a rather popular work, ‘We, all like sheep’