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Here's Waxman's committee hearing page. Here are the witnesses:
- Ms. Valerie Plame Wilson, former employee, Central Intelligence Agency
- Dr. James Knodell, Director, Office of Security, The White House
- Mr. Bill Leonard, Director, Information Security Oversight Office, National Archives and Records Administration
- Mr. Mark Zaid, Attorney
- Ms. Victoria Toensing, diGenova & Toensing, LLP
Feed the comments with updates, gang, and we'll try to send in some hearing room color for the main page post on fifteen minute intervals.
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1:15 pm ET:
Norton asks: Can you explain why Mr. Rove still has a security clearance today or does he? Yes, he does. It is Mr. Knodell's understanding that the criminal investigation found no criminal wrongdoing. (CHS asks: do these people even READ the SF-312? or the executive order covering this?)
Does the security of the United States depend upon the outcome of a criminal proceeding, or do you not have an affirmative duty to proceed on these issues regardless of the criminal proceedings? Shouldn't you plug the leak while the US attorney and investigators are trying to find out "who done it?"
Second round of questioning begins with Rep. Elijah Cummings. The requirements are that the disclosure is prohibited for both willful AND negligent disclosures. Has Mr. Rove or anyone else been briefed since this disclosure happened with regard to any of these regulations? Knodell says people with clearance get a copy of the regs when they are given clearance, and then they are given briefings on their anniversary date every year. And they got some special briefings after this disclosure of Ms. Wilson's identity for all the EOP employees with clearance — but this particular disclosure was not highlighted as a problematic reason for the briefings.
1:20 pm ET:
Rep. Waxman goes into the Woodward discussion of having extensive access to classified information when covering the WH in his books. Points out that when a critic discloses anything critical of the Administration, there is an immediate outcry from the WH. But when they disclose information, it is well within their purview to do so, according to the WH. This approach is inconsistent — and appears to be political in their approach to enforcement.
On to Rep. Davis, who is complaining about the selective leaking of the NIE, the facilities in Eastern Europe (so-called balck sites), and so on. Neither witness has any first-hand knowledge as to whether anyone in the WH did or did not have first hand knowledge of Ms. Wilson's covert status.
On to Rep. Van Hollen — looks like we know why the WH had no information on the leak — because no investigation was ever done. If the criminal investigation hadn't been started at that point, and it had not, there was no competing problem for starting an investigation. Mr. Leonard says that yes, an internal investigation should have immdeiately been begun — it is an affirmative obligation under security regs.
1:30 pm ET
Van Hollen asks Knodell whether he has had any conversations with anyone at the WH about these disclosures relating to Ms. Plame Wilson? No.
On to Rep. Hodes. Rove's security clearance review would have been done in 2006. A re-investigation by the FBI would have had to be done for Rove in 2006. Knodell doesn't have first-hand knowledge about Rove's security clearance, but he can go back and check. Hodes points out that there ought tobe documentation as to whether Rove or anyone else should have a clearance.
And would you agree that candor is one of the factors considered? Knodell says yes, it is a factor in the adjudication. Knodell says that he didn't know the content of the conversation between Rove and McClellan (CHS notes: perhaps because there has been no investigation, huh?) — but Knodell says that he supposes he can go back to the WH and talk with senior management about looking into this sort of thing. Lbby's clearance was removed the day he resigned from the WH/VP position.
On to Rep. Holmes Norton: showing Mr. Knodell the WH chart. Do any of those officials inside the WH other than the President — do any of these officials have a "need to know" the name of a covert agent? Knodell says he doesn't know.
Panel I has been completed. New thread will be begun for Panel II.
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Waxman!
Waxman!
Knodell looks like a board member for the Hudsucker Corporation.
jinx angie, owe you a coke!
Yeah Waxman!
Accountability: This is how it starts.
Dover Bitch @ 2
LOL – You know, for kids!
Waxman: other disclosures of leaks.
Now speaking about Woodward book
He has not been notified that the criminal procedure is officially over. Oh. My. Dog. NO one talks to anyone over there. They just send incriminiating e-mails that can be dished up long after the fact.
Can’t wait to the Toenail get clipped.
I’ll have a diet coke, thanks Fini!
Lovely to see the administration sinking live on the toobz.
Waxman: Woodward had access to classified info
Waxman: not unique to give classified info to people
Maybe the criminal investigation is NOT over, Fitz may still be sweating Libby.
This is riveting TV. Thanks to whoever provided this great link:
oversight livestream
Waxman askes about Bob Woodward having classified info, which he admits to, Knobell knows nothing.
not unique to BushCo
Knodell looks like he’s from the cast of the Sopranos.
Political Deathmatch Main Event: Hodes v. CheeKnee
Ah this brings back the heady days of Iran-Contra — don’t it folks?
Davis again – feh
Davis: committee ough to be looking at leaks during the Iraq war
a*shole
Wha??? There were some bad “leftie” leaks???
Davis: leaks . . . leaks . . . leaks
Back to Depends.
DE @ 19 – Yep. The ghost of Ollie North is in the chambers.
Davis talking about selective investigations
NSA leaks, secret prison leaks, Davis weeps, all our favorite illeagl programs were leaked. That’s just terrible.
It does David, indeed. Same sort of line of questioning and avoidance of answering the same by mid level know nothings that will lead to the Col North level hearings soon. Rove in the North role this time.
Why does Davis hate America?
How does Davis make himself understood with his head up his ass?
Must be taking ventriloquism lessons from Cheney.
Speaking of diet cokes, it looks like Davis has been drinking them with abandon.
gyaaa — davis: mr fitzpatrick…
Davis: “….Mr. Fitzpatrick…”
He’s not a fan
Funny how Davis talks about the Pres and VP having immediate declassification power, Leonard keeps saying that the Pres. does.
nice try, Davis
I’d rather have a Tag Team, Steel Cage match:
Hodes & Waxman vs. CheeKnee & Davis.
“Mr. Noodle do you have any information?”
Davis doesn’t want to hear Leonard on anything! I think he knows where Leonard stands on this.
Leonard is clearly a straight arrow
Can anyone provide any information about Knodell’s background? He seems to be a big CIPHER! I would expect that someone with a doctorate would have something out there on Google about him other than the fact that he’s Bush’s WH Security Officer!
It’s all a bit weird!
Van Hollen
I would sure like to have seen Armitage appearing in front of this group! Why not? He’s not in government anymore.
EPU’d:
Davis is lame. Said “selective declassification goes both ways” and brought up whistleblowing on secret prisons and illegal wiretapping. Do not rush to the aid of your enemy when he is busy defeating himself!
The old Republican fallback of moral equivalency is no longer operative. By the same logic, murder should be legal because people are murdered every day, and some get away with it.
yes, 3 Dems from MD on committee
How long before Leonard is looking for a new job?
Van Hollen nails it “OBLIGATED to investigate”
Rev @ 44 Heard he was distributing resumes outside the meeting room this a.m.
Van Hollen – Heard over thirty times at (?) speech that there was no information of wrong-doing in teh WhiteHouse – now we know why.
Snap!
I just love that Knodell looks like he (a) really wants to be ANYwhere else (b) is about to poop his pants (c) simply can’t figure out what to say in response to very simple questions. And he’s a “career” guy not a political appointee. Life sucks for him fer shur…
Knodell is the Brownie of classified information. He’s certainly done a heckuva job of making sure the security levees were not breached.
Knodell: I don’t know of any communication at the WH about any investigation
Hi Christy -
Hope you are feeling better.
Pardon this nit-picking question, but is the Wilson Defense Fund for a singular Wilson or for multiple Wilsons?
If the latter, there’s an error in apostrophe placement in the link “Wilson’s Defense Fund”
[And now I’ll take my OCD and go bother someone else…. :) ]
Boy, Hodes sounds like he went to the Fitz school of questioning.
RevDeb @ 45:
You mean Knodell?
Bill Leonard points out, based on 30 years at DOD, that often natsec/secrecy interests outweight DOJ criminal investigaions, so that if our code books are leaked we don’t have to wait for a grand jury and court before we find some doors and slam them on some fingers.
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Have “live video” stream from committee and cspan on with a delay or maybe true live stream but one or the other is out of sync – maybe it is just camera angles are out of sync between the two. Anyone know which broadcast is more in sync?
Oh, Happy Snoopy Dance: “should Rove still have a security clearance.”
Hodes!! (:Yeay!) Security clearances reviewed every 5 years?
Yes
Mr Rove has been there since 2000?
yes
His clearance reviewed? if someone lied during review, that would be serious, right?
I want an immediate investigation with immediately installed special prosecutors in charge.
…and I want our National Security immediately brought under control by competent people.
Hodes: should Rove still have security clearance?
Knodell dodges question
Senior manangement- always corporate.
Biodun, no. Knodell is just the kind of guy the WH likes. I meant Leonard. He is a truth teller. WH doesn’t want any of those kind of people around.
But the reports about Senior WH Officials leaking came out months before the FBI opened any sort of investigation. In fact, if self-reporting was effective then there would have been information available to stanch a security breach BEFORE Novak published. Word would have been sent out that IN NO WAY WERE CLASSIFIED REPORTS WITH IDENTITIES OF CIA OFFICERS indicated to be passed on to the media or those without proper authorization and need-to-know.
What’s the use of having a WH Security Officer if that officer does nothing about Security Leaks?
Knobell – we could do that.
Hodes WILL you do that?
Knobell – i will discuss with senior management.
Knodell: Libby does not still have security clearance–lost it when he resigned
The committee’s feed is on delay versus CSpan by about 6 seconds. But its the superior audio.
Bahahaha: “we could do that [review Rove]”
Hodes: Will you do that?
“Well, I guess I’ll go back [and think about it for a while].”
Hodes rocks. “Will you do it?” [reevaluate Rove’s clearance, in light of his lying to Scottie]. That is exactly the right question. Knodell really didn’t look like he wanted to answer it.
RevDeb @ 62:
My bad for being so dense. *g*
HODES!!!
WHY DOES KARL ROVE STILL HAVE CLEARANCE?
Biodun @ 54
Well, based on the previous behavior of these guys, they’d get rid of Leonard if he’s honest and truthful.
EPU’d from last thread:
Why would Snarkoholics want a cure?
I think at the first meeting of Snarkoholics Anonymous, we should sing this instead of saying the Serenity Prayer.
BTW, when Waxman made his request to Jon Stewart for tapes of Dubya saying heads would roll? Funniest. Moment. in. Congressional. Hearings. Evah.
Knodell is making the WH look bad–but maybe they’re used to that.
Gotta say it–this has been extremely satisfying and excruciatingly funny… and VT isn’t even teed up yet….
Any word yet on whether AbuG is packing up today? Not that anybody who resigns actually leaves their department (Rumsfeld, Sampson) but I wonder if Vickie’s upcoming “testimony” is meant to distract us.
an injunction on investigation? you are fall guy?
Thanks Fini Fini!
“i’m good”….bwahahahahaha
Knoodle is so far down the food chain that all the nutrition was long ago sucked out of him.
“You are truly the fall guy here.”
Holmes says Knodell is fall guy
quite a week for fall guys
Oy!
There were a bunch of us, including LHP, still posting TWO threads down!
We somehow didn’t realize we should move up. (At least I didn’t).
My face is red.
We all had some good comments too, but we were wildflowers in the wilderness. LOL!!!
“I think you’re truly the fall guy here.” Dee Yoo Emm Bee DUMB
I think Knodell is going to have himself a good cry.
Knodell doesn’t wish to respond to Holmes’s question
Does anyone have access or a link to the color coded chart with the names?
Natasha is up!!
I was posting one below Mrs K8. Wondered what was up.
Great of Waxman to give freshmen Hodes and Yarmuth such time to shine.
Oh boy, here comes Ms. Icky.
Waxman: Does the Gentleman wish to respond to the question? Knodell: amazing gestures of being flummoxed. “I’m good.” Riveting TV. Riveting.
Next up…
ickey
Waxman: WH has done nothing
Valerie Wilson was running operations to monitor the spread of nuclear technology. If that makes her a criminal because she works for the CIA, then Nancy Pelosi is a criminal because William Jefferson, a Democrat in Congress, took bribes and was caught with $90,000 in his office refrigerator’s freezer.
Absolutism is childish and wrong, get a grip, not all CIA officers are evil bastards. Believe it or not, they save more lives in America than you can possibly know.
Noodle: “I’ve been railroved”
WH: Thanks a lot NoTell we appreciate your sacrifice. Here’s your $$ and plane ticket! You no longer exist.
Henry! Eleanor asked a great question: shouldnt someone more INDEPENDENT be called on to investigate? hope someone follows up with that.
nice shade of red, vicky!
Let’s see how this witch responds!!!!
Mrs K8
We had fun talking about getting left behind last night.
Swearing in Vicki!
Henry’s really great: so “kind” to these guys, expressing the panel’s frustration but indicating it’s “nothing personal.”
So you will note remove a security clearance until a person is INDICTED or RESIGNS? That seems like a piss-poor way to protect the National Security!
In other words, “we will not remove a persons Security Clearance” until they no longer have access to National Security information! LOL!
LJ –
At least you were only HALF as “behind the times” as we were!!!
ROFL!
The BITCH is up.
doogie howser’s up
Vicki was a bit slow agreeing to tell the truth.
I was in EPU land 2 freaking threads baack
Toenail can only say “I do” honestly because she is a trained legal answerer.
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Central question for Knodell and the Office of Security is why does it exist since it doesn’t seem to do anything. It asks no questions. It investigates nothing. Why does it exist?
OopS, I thought it was witchtoria wenchlig
My feed goes poopsie every now and then.
Tongueslinger up next
Zaid and Toensing…
Beauty and the Beast
Fresh thread for Panel II.
raven –
Oh no! We’ll have to write a book called “Left Behind” — ROFL.
Think it’ll be a smash hit?
We all know why there was no internal investigation, but the guy who was told not to investigate can’t say why.
Now Sticky Vickie the bullshitter, and Mark Zaid, nerd-lawyer comic collector.
Zaid is explaining
“need to know”
I hope this is replayed later on tonite. They picked today to teach us new technology at work…
Zaid giving statement re granting declassifying
Curtains aflame in the hearing room as Vick the Toe is sworn in.
TPM brought this up — every Bush lawyer/crony is implicated in the cover-ups and obstruction of justice. They’ve got nobody in reserve!!! Can you imagine a new AG, that actually cares about the law? Insta-Special Prosecutor!!!
Abu may go down, but Bush/Rove will keep him around as an arrow catcher for as long as possible . . .
Who else thinks Davis almost regrets his seniority on this committee? Could he have possibly imagined getting scorched like this?
Should we create a new term for that? EPU2 [squared].
newspaperbrat at 56:
There can be all kinds of reasons for the out of sync, different satellites for one. Whenever I watch a Preznitial spewing of nonsense here in British Columbia all three major networks are usually out of sync with each other to the point that once I get it down for that day I can go back and rehear especially amusing statements without using a Tivo, just by switching back to the channel with the most delay.
Dover Bitch-
Hi. My name’s Hud…
Zaid says that security procedures are implemented imperfectly and somewhat arbitrarily by the different agencies. This much is true.
After viewing link, it’s clear this guy never got the “don’t put anything on the Internets that you wouldn’t want others to see” memo.
On the canard that you can’t have an administrative and criminal investigation going on at the same time:
It happens all the frakkin’ time in my business. See, there’s this outfit called the SEC. They investigate people who may have committed securities fraud, stealing money from investors.
Sometimes the SEC does all the investigating. Sometimes the securities fraud is so bad or widespread that it’s not just a possible civil violation, but also a crime. When it is so big and widespread that it might be a crime, the US Attorneys investigate it too, if they aren’t too busy investigating black people who keep trying to vote, or Democrats generally.
Many times, the SEC and the USAO (US Attorney’s Office for the relevant district) investigate together !!! They cooperate!!!!
Also, many times, before the SEC or the USAO get involved, a corporation that is concerned that its officers may have been committing securities fraud or a crime do what is called an “internal investigation.” The corporation hires a fancy law firm like mine, which reports directly to the independent directors instead of the management that might have done something wrong. When the internal investigation is done, depending on what it says, the report may be given to the SEC or the USAO to show that the corporation itself was trying to do the right thing and that the wrongdoing of individuals should not be attributed to the whole company. When such an internal investigation is done, usually the SEC and the USAO given the corporation CREDIT for doing this, rather than accusing them of obstruction of justice — assuming of course that the internal investigation has been done properly and in good faith.
Of course, when a corporation does an internal investigation, it has to be willing to let the chips fall where they may. Sometimes an internal investigaiton gets started an it turns out that some senior management types have been doing bad shit. This is embarrassing and sometimes makes people sad, but if you then try to cover it up, you get in more trouble than if you didn’t do an investigation at all.
Apparently, this last scenario reflects what was going on with Mr. No Tell and the White House. Didn’t want to do anything that might assist the DoJ investigation, becuase that might involve throwing senior guys under the bus, so much better to do nothing, and if anyone asks, just say, “Oh, we didn’t want to compete with the DoJ.”
Who was that punk?
I got tingles all over from reading this:
m
Gotta say it–this has been extremely satisfying and excruciatingly funny… and VT isn’t even teed up yet….
And now I see she’s actually UP (thanks Guitar Playing Bastard). What a wonderful day!!!!! This is at least as much fun as the Libby trial, maybe more. But the Libby trial helped make it all possible, eh?
Question for Icky –
Why does “your” law suck out loud?
wow – she brought her OWN bright shiny object!!
No administrative review of any White House person’s security clearance as a result of the Plame Leaks. The administration sat on it. Its legal position, presumably, was because it claimed that the NIE was declassified by Bush for Cheney for Libby, and hence, no “leak of classified information” ever took place.
That’s a story line that ignores information about Plame herself, and whether that violated confidentiality agreements, and general law regarding treatment of classified information, much less the specific narrow statute regarding leaking of covert agents’ identities.
Contrast that with aggressive use of security clearance reviews among professional, “not of the faithful” bureaucrats, whose clearances were put “under review”. That suspends the clearance, their access, their networking, their ability to be credible critics or contributors to the semi-closed world of Metro DC. Just payback.
Did Ms. Toestink go to a beauty parlor to find the special shade of red that would match her outfit? Or did she buy the outfit to match her hair?
“We drafted SUCH a high standard for working journalists so that people like Bob Novak could virtually never be prosecuted.” Hmm, is she admitting that the drafting of the law was part of a vast right wing conspiracy?
litigatormom, I wish I was one of your kids, cause you are toooooo funny!
Icky appears to have a histrionic style, no?
So, that’s Victoria…
Oh, yes. Ah the Stupidest Attorney General Evah, Ed Meese, whose idea of defusing the revelation that Reagan had sold arms to the Ayatollah was to say that it was OK as the profits went to fund the Nicaraguan Contras. Except, of course, that funding the Contras was illegal at the time.
litigatormom –
Maybe it was a single bottle of Rit — and both dress and head got dunked in the washer.
http://www.perrspectives.com/r……htm#plame
Maybe it’s here, the library of documents on the Libby trial.
litigatormom @ 10:48 am
Maybe my video feed is bad, but it looks like Ms. Toensing is demonstrating why you shouldn’t try to match colors, but should go for contrast.
Here we go!
“IF Valerie Plame were REALLY covert…”
Toensing – she’s being very dramatic and her eyes are really spooky. Looks as if she’s on something.
Still saying “If Valerie Plame was really covert under the law.”
al gore’s campaign?! wtf!?! she’s losing it!!!!!
Oh for Chissake — why WOULDN’T Valerie list Brewster Jennings on her campaign donations?
It was her fucking COVER STORY!!!
Jeebus, should she have put down “CIA”?!?
This woman needs serious medication, stat!
No one knew! There were two guys that never saw a covert agent’s name.
The al gore campaign thing is interesting. I wonder what it says, “CIA Agent Val Plame-Wilson working under covert business XXX”
roots!!
(the comstock kind)
Good grief. Toensing just states, via rhetorical question, that CIA should keep a list of covert agents. There’s a rule about keeping a secret that Toensing clearly isn’t familiar with, which is that you don’t tell anyone, and you certainly don’t keep lists of secret information around for press relations people.
Her grasp of logic is as tenuous as her (apparent) grasp of fashion.
She’s not interested in taking questions. This is a fillabuster.
Jinny –
Yup, that’s what I was saying. Using my mad armchair shrink skillz (Pach is gonna scold me) I think she’s a classic “histrionic personality disorder.”
They start with Davis!
Appear to be no crimes committed.
Now the Drama Queen and the Valiant Minority Ranking Member are gonna chat it up, all nice and cozy.
I have to confess that I have never actually seen Ms. Toestink before. Perhaps because I assiduously avoid watching the Faux Noise Network. “If she were really covert under the law, I’m not talking about what they say in the hallways at the CIA, why didn’t Grenier tell them she was covert, why didn’t Armitage say something, HE didn’t know that Plame’s identity wasn’t to be revealed, if the CIA was really trying to protect her identity, why did they allow her to contribute to the Democratic party and list her CIA cover company as her employer, why did they let Who’s Who in America put her name in Wilson’s entry.”
“The CIA never sent its top personnel to Bob Novak, and they asked him not to print it, but it was very cavalier.”
OMG. I am ashamed that this woman shares my profession. In the meantime, everything this woman has said is frakkin’ hearsay. She is a mouthpiece for all the crap that Wells wanted to get in at the trial. “Why did the CIA give Plame a job at headquarters?” Has she really not read her own frakkin’ statute? She can be headquartered ANYWHERE, she just has to go overseas.”
Okay. So she’s making a technical argument for why there was no IIPA violation. But how can she argue that she was not covert? How can she argue that there was on national security issue in her exposure?
Davis again: We know that there was no crime here.
Toestink: It’s the rule of 38, if 38 people knew about it, there is no leak.
I’m sorry, folks. I am sick, my stomach is upset, and I have a headache. I was feeling better until Davis starting questioning Toestink. I must go find my icebag and some brain bleach.
I assume they aren;t going to get away with this?
When the unknown reference becomes illuminated, this whole CIA blame thing is going out the window.
Toensing has a better hair stylist than she did on PBS a short while ago, but she still leaves a need for shower in her wake.
She’s blaming the CIA for the Plame leak. “Cavalier treatment” in protecting the cover of covert agents. She’s laying the foundation that this is all the CIA’s fault, and that there is no underlying crime involved in Libby’s conviction.
Toensing is blaming the victim. She’s repeating the WSJ talking points about Plame not “living” her cover – by donating to a Dem and listing Brewster Jennings as her employer. Which purposely ignores the fact that doing so was precisely “living her identity”.
She blatantly ignored the affirmative obligation officials have to confirm whether information is confidential before disclosing it. Toensing is proof positive that the second oldest profession uses more than limo services to service its clients.
Mrs. K8
You got it.
What the hell?
Who was it at the trial, Scooter’s assistant (a woman) who WARNED Scooter and Shooter that Valerie was COVERT!!!
By unknown, I’m talking about the guy that informed Cheney and Rove.
Who is Opie the Attorney?
She apparently belongs to a Goldwater fan club. Blame the CIA…
HELP!!!
My teevee is in danger from hard hefty objects getting thrown through it!!!
Somebody make it stop!!!!
TA-DA! Zaid finally states the obvious—there’s a difffernce between covert status for purposes of the IIPA and classified status for purposes of an improper leak of classified information.
If her idenity was classified (which it clearly was), then revealing her name was a violation of the prohibition of revealing classified information, REGARDLESS of whether or not a crime was committed.
Cujo359 @ 148:
I think that Ms. Toestink’s understanding of how the CIA works is based on Mission Impossible. In the movies, they have what’s called a “NOC list.” A handsome movie star is sent to Prague to prevent the NOC list from falling into the hands of the double agent. There are many explosions. The handsome star does some exciting stunts. Then a beautiful woman dies, and the NOC list is retrieved.
Afterwards, the handsome star dumps his wife and finds a younger girlfriend that he can try to convert to Scientology.
Wait til Gomer get’s to axe a question!
Since CIA can’t defend itself without leaking, they’re the perfect whipping boy.
Somebody PLEASE put her out of my misery.
Okay, we get it. It’s the CIA’s fault. “I’m just looking at the facts.”
jason –
On whom? Vicky?
Perhaps Dr Noodle got his PhD from an ad on the back page of the “World Weekly News”.
Ms. K8, I’m just answering Davis. He keeps asking what the CIA should have done. Snarky.
Davis repeats the canard that Plame was outted because the CIA didn’t do its job protecting her. No one in the White House involved here. Move along.
“No journalist in their right mind would do this [leak Plame’s name] on purpose”. Davis. Well, we agree that that describes Bob Novak.
Toensing disingenuously keeps repeating that no one knew or could have known about Plame’s covert status. It’s the CIA’s fault for not admitting the existence of covert agents. Listening to her for very long is like taking an enema before getting on an airplane.
Watching Davis and Vicki is enough make me lose my lunch – good for Waxman right now smacking her down. She is as my Mum would say, “a right piece of work”
i’m not yielding my time to you!!!woohoo!!!
litigatormom @ 10:59 am #167 I have no idea what you’re talking about. ;)
Get her Henry!!
Waxman! “I’m telling you Hayden, the director of the CIA, told me she was a covert.”
Toe Jam says that Valerie outed herself by:
1) Listing her cover employer on a campaign donation.
2) Allowing herself to be listed in Who’s who as Wilson’s wife.
Of course that’s JUST what a person would do who is trying to maintain a cover.
Whadda bitch!!
Wasman: “You want to define words so narrowly that what you say can be credible but not … honest.”
LOL! You would’ve thought the WH would’ve investigated and they didn’t.
Obviously, loyalty to the Admin is more important than loyalty to the country. Very sad.
jason –
Sorry, should have given my OWN snark sign. I knew what you meant. I was just voting for Vicky as a target! (metaphorically of course) — She makes me wanna pull my hair out!
I want to pull HER hair out!
oops
Fresh thread up and going.
Ms. K8, in that case, yes. Vicky.
Does no one on the committee remember whatshernames testimony (was it Jenny Mayfield, maybe?) –
She warned Scooter and Shooter that Valerie was covert! It was testimony!
she’s under oath….did you see her SQUIRM when Waxman asked her if she KNEW more than the public testimony?!
Cummins (paraphrase): I hope we don’t lose sight of the fact that someone who risked her life for her country has lost her job – the thing she loved to do.
Cummings summing it up beautifully. Hell yes. Does anyone know what happened to the agent nets V. Plame was runnung?
i just think she’s jealous of valerie’s beauty and good looking husband :) “i have no problem with miss plame!” ha ha ha
Blame the victim. This Republican shill is disgusting. Once again Party before country. She’ll be in the bunker when the boy king is finally overthrown.
her disgust with the CIA is like a poison inside her, it’s oozing out her smirking face….
who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?
Ms. Toensing keeps repeating her expertise of the law, and her status as its drafter. She ignores the facts, and admits she did not talk to Plame or the CIA. Yet she claims to apply the “facts” to “her” law and repeatedly asserts that Plame was not “covert” under the act. On What Facts?
Watson doing a good job of undercutting Toensing by pointing out that her arguments ignore other applicable law that made revealing Plame’s identity a violation of law, regulations or agreements that bind their conduct.
All the men questioning Toensing are getting red in the face – she’s pushing their buttons.