I am not a lawyer, but Glenn Greenwald is.
And he points out a couple of things that I think are kinda important:
1) Lying to Congress is a crime, even if you're not under oath.
2) Alberto Gonzales lied like a rug before Congress.
Greenwald then goes on to mention the GOP's aversion to reality in general, and truth-telling in particular, by letting us relive a few other Republican scandals of the past few decades, using this to explain how we could come to have such a disgusting scofflaw as our Attorney General.
Remember those thrilling days of yesteryear known to some as "The Hunting of the President", "CoupGate", or just plain old "The '90s"? Greenwald sure does.
Lying was considered by our GOP/Media Complex friends to be a horrible, horrible sin — when Democrats did it.
Fresh off cheering on Ollie North as he lied under oath to protect the CIA's drug lords in South Central LA (Lt. Col. North having a history of saying what certain people wanted him to say under oath), the Republicans and their media allies immediately turned to dissecting every last action of Bill and Hillary Clinton. They didn't shy away from inventing lies where none existed, either. (One of the big ironies of watching Ollie North's fellow conservative spinmeister Victoria Toensing lie under oath at today's Plame hearing — which, considering her long association with the people who attacked Plame, isn't surprising — is how high-horsey she and her husband Joe DiGenova were over Bill Clinton's evasion of a badly-crafted perjury trap set up as part of Ken Starr's $100 million fishing expedition.)
That all changed once Bush entered the White House. Suddenly things that would have been rated worthy of impeachment by the press during Clinton's two terms were either laughed at or swept under the rug. The same press that eagerly tried and convicted the Clintons of non-crimes in Whitewater, shrugged their shoulders over Bush's shady dealings with Harken, Arbusto, Funeralgate/FEMA, UTIMCO, and the Harvard endowment fund, to name but a few names from the Shrubbery's checkered past.
Even now, as Bush's imperial reign collapses before our eyes, the GOP/Media Complex still reflexively defends him and attacks his critics, and still is much more receptive to Republican-generated talking points than to actual facts in context. To list but one: They went out of their way to create a bogus scandal from a couple of anonymous Cheney "death threat" comments left over at Huffington Post, yet as Glenn Greenwald notes here, they won't make a peep of protest against the reams and reams of comments on right-wing blogs like LGF calling for Jimmy Carter's death.
The media's enabling effect (as can be seen in this bizarre AP story on Valerie Plame's testimony today, in which blatant and obvious GOP bullcrap is put on the same footing as the hard facts that came out in the Libby trial and the run-up thereto) is a big reason why the Republicans in general and BushCo in particular feel so secure in lying early and often: They figure that they'll almost never get called on it. (Though they can get so used to the comforting security blanket that they forget that it doesn't always protect them — such as when Toensing lied under oath today and Henry Waxman called her on it, saying that he was going to fact-check what she had said. It was fun to watch her face when he said that.) Only when Republicans start trashing other Republicans — such as was the case with the Bush Junta's plans to fire all 93 of the current US Attorneys — do we get serious cracks in the GOP/Media omerta.
And then the press wonders why we don't trust them.
[03/17/06 Update: Over at my home base, Mercury Rising, my co-blogger MEC dissects the AP's take on the Waxman hearings and does it with her usual inimitable expertise. Check it out.]
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Valerie!
Truth, justice and FDL!
Larry Johnson up on KO
I don’t know if this has been brought up today, but I can find absolutely nothing about James Kodell anywhere. The only place I find the name that makes any sense is in Pierce County, Washington State in some minutes…interestingly enough, there is a Roger Bush on the same page. Who is this man. He seemed completely confused.
Hello Dogs of Fire!
PW, great post. Great illustration of the Bushco double standards!
Sorry, I did spell it correctly when I was searching.
(slides in on stocking feet, flips self onto couch)
Hi gang! Did I miss anything today?
Lots to ingest tonight. My idea of an enjoyable Friday night.
PW!
LS: Hmmmm. Maybe Martindale might be helpful.
LL: Thanks! I always worry that I’m not making the connections clear enough. Glad that I am this time (at least to you!).
Toesing is a twit!
Larry says Victoria is a twit!!
Wow! Trying to catch up with my whole day of Tivo’d C-SPAN and read all the FDL threads I could (sadly) only glance at from time to time at work. And with Johnson on KO, nice capper to an historic day. Can someone point me to the thread/comments or time-stamp in the actual hearings when they put the absolute smackdown on Novak (cause I know I read about it earlier – can’t wait to actually see it) Oh, and… great post as usual Phoenix Woman. Thanks for all the links tying these contexts together.
Larry says “Victoria is a Twit”
says it all.
Perspective
~~ [snip] As for getting rid of prosecutors the president himself had appointed, that happens less often, but it happens.
Clinton, for example, sacked a U.S. attorney who had grabbed a television reporter by the neck. In a separate incident two years later, he fired another who was said to have bitten a topless dancer on her arm, having retreated to a strip joint after losing a big case, according to the Congressional Research Service. ~~~
Powerful post, Phoenix Woman. Thanks.
Nah…
OldCoastie @8, have you been out tomcatting? **hums a few bars of Spring is in the Air**
Valley Girl @ 16 — Yeah, now THAT is getting rid of prosecutors for cause!
Dang, I missed Marcy’s excellent post because we were out having din-din.
Keith the only one picking up the story about Gonzo’s lying. Go Keith.
Pheonix Woman and KO going after the same target!
Woohoo
Someone commented on that earlier today. If he missed google, maybe he doesn’t really exist? I wonder if the committee has his bona fides? (adjusts tin foil hat)
lhp,
Is OPR where the sheepdogs were nudging us?
Speaking of the media: Holy crap — in a good way.
Time’s Robert Baer calls “Bullcrap!” on BushCo’s “KSM is the mastermind behind 9/11 and stannous flouride” nonsense. I’m astonished. I’ve never before seen a BushCo bullcrapping attempt shot down so fast by the mainstream press.
For real?! Excellent!
KO doesn’t wanna be Katie Couric.
MODS, clean-up requested on previous thread #288. Coward!
OT but unless I missed something the Waxman hearings with Valerie Plame, Victoria Toensing, and James Knodell didn’t rate a mention on Washington Week. Gwen Ifil wienie addict apparently.
nah, Lindy – while that sounds quite entertaining, I’ve been doing that work thingy…
Totally ON TOPIC you gotta take a minute to pop over to Kos and readThis great post by Mary
Yes, our Mary
It seems that the press owners as well as the republicans thought and hoped that Americans were stupid. And could be bought off.
I’m so proud of us. Especially our heros! (FDL included)
L.S., that’s because its Knodell (with an n). That’s also what made it so hilarious today when Representatives repeatedly asked him, “Is it Ko-dell?”
Keith has his old glasses back on!!!
Not OT at all, Hugh. BushCo wouldn’t be where it is today if they didn’t have the press fluffing them at every turn.
OK, I got Pizza, Cabernet, a nice fire in the fireplace, a snowstorm outside, and some popcorn for later.
Perfect. Gonna go check up on the thread I missed and then work on my post for tomorrow.
I think it’s gonna be a doozy.
LS@4:
I believe you are spelling his name wrong.
James Knodell, Director of the Office of Security at the WH
Rebel Yell 32: I searched KNODELL with an N, I just spelled it wrong on my post :} Try searching. It makes no sense at all.
LHP @ 30 — Holy Crap!
I think I know what your post is going to be called: Either “Hobson’s Choice” or ‘Fish or Cut Bait”!
“our” Mary is brilliant; what a straightforward and compelling read– thanks lhp!
Oh I searched last night for him and never, ever found it LS– curioser and curioser, eh?
Nowhere on the WH site either. :0
The funny thing is, not only are the wing nuts massive enablers for the constant lies of their preferred junta, they are still constantly outraged at the left and see lies there all the time. It’s like a quadruple standard.
I looked at some of that right wing live thread today and it was pretty unsettling, total bizarro world. Just my first foray, I guess, but really crazy crazy stuff. They talked about Plame committing perjury throughout her statement, along with expected stuff about how Joe Wilson is a huge liar and VPlame is covering for him and part of a liberal cabal within the CIA, and they couldn’t wait for Toensing to set everybody straight.
Aside from being incredibly wrongheaded and gross, it shows a very badly twisted relationship to reality and the truth. There’s a weird fantasy world out there where it isn’t enough for people who are obviously lying to continue to do so with impunity, but they have to attack the people who are finally able to stand up and go after the truth. Wow.
C-span is re-airing the committee hearing. Going back and forth between KO and VWP
Bookwoman 36. I know he works at the WH. I want to know where he was before that. How can you become Director of the Office of Security at the WH and not have any trace of a past? He could be a realtor for all I know.
I looked to see where you got singed last night, but I couldn’t find it anywhere. What thread was it that got your feathers ruffled? And…who???
(I keep wondering when we’ll get our edit and quote this comment functions back…)
Anyone started a pool on Abu’s departure? I can hardly believe it will happen. This administration’s engine runs on hubris and contempt.
OT, but
OMFG – I just now saw Toensing’s testimony today in which Henry Waxman chews her up and spits her out.
Is she amoung the undead?
She is so classicly in the Bush toadie mold. These people have no shame. She is hideous, absolutely positively f*cking hideous.
LS – maybe he worked with Brownie at the Arabian Horse association, or whatever it was ;-)
angie @39, others: agreed.
That is a pretty confounding catch-22 chimpy’s got himself caught up in. Big cheers to Mary for articulating it succinctly.
does anyone else think that the “black box” person who told rove could be tenet?
mr. “slam dunk” himself?
Ann in AZ—edit is back, and has been for several hours.
“Quote This Comment” should be restored before the morning.
LHP, THANK you for that link!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..251_5.html
There is a real estate transaction for a James Knodell in this ComPost link.
Phoenix Woman,
With regard to KSM, he was into bomb plots especially with airliners, like bojinka, but he never struck me as a hands on kind of guy. That’s why the claim that he personally beheaded David Pearl rings false for me. That and that the ISI was linked into at some point. Somehow I don’t think they would use someone that high profile and that they were targeting –too much possibility of it blowing up in their faces.
There is a concept called “metacompetence” — which is the basic competence required for you to give an honest evaluation of your abilities or knowledge of a given thing.
True wingnuts are lacking in metacompetence — they are literally too ignorant to understand just how ignorant they really are. This was shown by the study a few years back that showed that Limbaugh’s listeners thought they knew the most, yet invariably turned out to know the least, on any given topic.
I think that the deliberate starving of our public school system is a big factor in the rise of wingnuttia: Without ignorance, fear and hatred, the right can’t recruit enough “useful idiots” to do its bidding.
Well, Mr. Knodell is well-heeled from the looks of that real-estate transaction.
Nice catch.
If that is “the” Knodell, then he lives out my way. Will have to keep my eyes open while I’m out and around!
Knodell reduced…
A lead-in by Waxman, then the myth of an internal WH investigation of the Plame leak, literally destroyed by Rep. Paul Hodes (D-NH). Take a bow, sir!
I think they told this non-existent Knodell guy to go sit on the panel and pretend to answer questions. He was basically vacant. Maybe he was a hologram.
I want one week from today, in the Friday dump.
That Yahoo AP story Phoenix links to above
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..k_congress
….does not allow comments because:
To Yahoo! News readers:
Yahoo! News is working on new ways for readers to comment on the news and participate in a discussion around it. While we work on our new community features, the message boards that were linked from individual news articles have been taken offline.
As they were set up, the Yahoo! News message boards allowed a small number of vocal users to dominate the discussion. In addition, related discussions from similar news articles were not easily linked.
Over the next few months, we plan to offer new discussion forums based on topics in the news and incorporating the latest features to foster a better discussion for all of our readers.
Neil Budde
General Manager
Yahoo! News
Over at the Perky Dementor’s shop (aka the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric), the lead story was that Abu G. is not gone be round much longer.
Waxman’s letter to COS Bolton about the Knodell testimony today.
LHP@35, Can’t wait to read it!
LHP (or Mary, if you are here),
Is Mary’s argument, which is quite interesting, made irrelevant by the fact that the U.S. Attorneys “resigned?”
Of course, they were told to resign, but can it not be argued that they would have had to say something to the effect of “You can’t make me resign, only the President can do it” for there to be any hay in the claim that Gonzo hasn’t the authority to fire them?
Just askin’
Phonenix Woman; have some chocolate. It helps after exposure to Dementors.
Westmoreland addressed Valerie as Ms FLAME (sob)- I just heard it again. I hope Crooks & Liars picked that up.
Here’s a little bit more on James Knodell…
I’m still digging.
GW is being pugnacious, eh? Got to put a tough face on it. Gonzo is gone.
I am well aware that I am not as well educated or articulate as most of all of y’all. But, to Me for all that I do read, the point is not suppose to be what ‘they’ did, but rather what should be. Crying over spilled milk is what ‘they’ want y’all to do, and y’all do it very well… Too well. Y’all get lost in y’all’s intelligence and upper education. It does not matter if y’all can speak better than ‘them’, the fact is that ‘they’ are there and y’all are not. Whine allot as y’all do, whining changes nothing there; It’s only a mental ‘feel good for the moment’. What have y’all done lately to get those laws worded in such a way as to mean what y’all know that they should mean. What have y’all done to use the powers invested in the Constitution of the United States of America to effect the course that the United States of America’s government is on? If I may be so bold as to say so, the pen is not mightier than the sword. Actions will always be more important than mere words. Y’all are intelligent? Then, prove it in daily action for words are but words… Wind from the mouth causing dust.
RBG, thanks :~)
The authoritarian loons are eating the finest, most honorable members of their party.
Bush/Cheney/Robertson/Norquist wingnuts will destroy anyone they perceive as a threat. Anyone who doesn’t suck up to them is expendible.
This is about authoritarian dynamics.
When honorable conduct puts a prosecutor in the WH crosshairs, you know we’re deep in Wingnuttia MindWarp.
deviantdevil,
With all due respect, you have absolutely no idea what actions the people here take or what sacrifices they make.
For example, I don’t know anything about you and that’s why I won’t criticize you for sitting around complaining about things.
Except, of course, for your absurd and ill-informed message.
Thanks! *chomps down some Green & Black’s* Now can you Obliviate me as well, too? Seeing Katie is worse than Dolores Umbridge as a Playboy centerfold.
Vicki on Fox: Hannity “your testimony was phenominal”
Devientdevil reminds me of someone..I can’t exactly remember…oh, yeah…dressed in red..you devil you.
This name calling is beneath us.
Devientdevil – welcome!
One suggestion: carriage return occasionally.
Hey, the wife is out with the girls and I’m holding down the fort with the kids tonight, but it’s been fruitful. I think I found Lynn Westmoreland’s kin on YouTube.
Y’all get it?
Folks, it’s been a great day. Let’s not let it devolve into petty sniping.
Believe it or not, the mods hate it when they have to moderate their friends’ comments.
PW @ 25 — who knew that TIME would get cajones?!
Including this line from paragraph 2 of Baer’s article, “But there is a major flaw in that [BuShCo]marketing strategy [about KSM]. ”
woohoooooo!!!!
LS @ #56
Vacant Hologram Knodell. FOTFLMAO ;-))
So sad; so true.
Waasn’t that lovely? He called it exactly what it was.
James Knodell…
Possible help here
and here Scroll down to find his name.
There is definitely a lack of biographical data.
RBG-sorry dude.
A lovely example of a 19th Century tribal rug from the Caucasus!
Rarely do my two obsessions, politics and Oriental rugs, coincide. The last time that happened was the Duke Cunningham auction, where some fool paid thousands for some lame machine-made thing.
@LS #4
Knodell
That’s the best I can find of any decent coverage of Knodell…. sorry for such a late reply, if this is any help
Helpful hint: “Y’all” might want to lay off the transparent attempt to troll the waters.
It’ll be interesting to see Ray Suarez kissing Vicki’s a$$ on PBS again tonite.
Bookwoman: I believe he said he was not an attorney when asked during his testimony.
Now can you Obliviate me as well, too?
No; too dangerous-I wouldn’t want to cause you any permanent amnesia; but you could try a Muffliato when you hear her intro music!
LHP glad you got home ok in this weather and thanks for the link to Mary’s article. And thanks to all the firepups for their excellent work on all things Plame. I listened to the hearings today via CSPAN’s internet link. Newtonusr, I agree that Paul Hodes rocked. And even without visuals, Toensing came across as a shrew one tantrum shy of a time-out. While I listened, someone raised the possibility of a “criminal conspiracy”. Does anyone know who brought that up? Also, do you folks think it likely that that sort of thing is likely to be pursued further or was someone getting ahead of themselves?
Yeah, I learned that one from the Half-Blood Prince. He’d written it down in his sixth-year Potions textbook.
Knodell’s office
Know what’s really interesting?
All the mainstream media accounts of the hearings today don’t talk very much about Vicky Toensing — at least, not the accounts I’ve seen. Is that what everyone else has found so far?
I come here for the good thinking and the good doing, y’all. And I thank you all.
Phoenix Woman at 92 — I didn’t see any coverage of Toensing on PBS and MSNBC. Also, only Countdown covered the testimony about the WH non-investigation from the 1st panel.
Scarecrow
My Quote this Comment link isn’t apparent – is anybody else’s showing?
Phoenix Woman:
“Over at the Perky Dementor’s shop (aka the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric), the lead story was that Abu G. is not gone be round much longer.”
Wow, that would be cool.
phred:
Scroll to 5:36 or so. It was Hodes.
I come here for the clear thinking, honest debates, and creative inquiring minds, y’all. It sure beats the lazy-@ss MSM, KWIM y’all. ;)
Phoenix #92,
All I saw was some mention on Hardball and Countdown. Larry Johnson on Countdown called her a Twit! I almost spewed my beer… he couldn’t have said it better! Shuster mentioned her remarks in passing so to speak, but did say that “This was Valerie Plame’s Day” … I didn’t bother much with CNN to much today, and I avoid FAUX like the plague.
I admit, I peeked in. The schmuck (H) gave her all the room she needed. Fuck. I need a shower.
Larry Johnson called Toerag a twit after he wondered what kind of hallucinogenic she is taking. Excellent!
Thanks Newtonusr — I should have guessed :)
Word.
Okay, everybody. I’m in a holding pattern. Dinner with the B-52’s has morphed into maybe-drinks-later with the B-52’s, since they are apparently having an amazing evening in the studio.
Damn musicians. How DARE they put off dinner with me just so they can write their stupid album!
Get down there!
Damn musicians. How DARE they put off dinner with me just so they can write their stupid album!
The rock lobster is better at the Sunday buffet anyway.
Anybody remember the “Hamster Dance” web site from a while back? Here’s a really stupid video on YouTube.
But dang that tune gets in my head!
That’s right Dru… forgot about the drug ref… gotta love Johnson… not a guy who minces words.
I’d like to know why there was such a major no-show at the hearing from the repub side? How many showed? 2? Interesting… someone scared?
No way. They’re in lock-out, which means NO VISITORS. They don’t need a bunch of tourists wandering through as they try parts that don’t work, hit sour notes, try out lyrics that may end up in the circular file.
You don’t intrude on people’s creative space like that. I would resent it if someone came tramping through my writing session, “Oh, look, it’s TRex! Can I get a picture with you?”
Yeah.
I’ll wait until I am summoned. And if I don’t get summoned tonight, then ’twasn’t meant to be.
Someone said this stuff was better than sex.
It was quite a day in the Capitol.
I’d have dinner with you…but I’m in California.
Goddang, TRex, I was so pulling for you and looking forward to news tomorrow. Well, drinks are drinks. Keep us posted.
Mesothelioma
Lol TRex—
I misread you and thot you said it was a QUIET day in the capital.
Thanks for the link to Mary’s diary on DK. I would recommend reading the comments, too, because there is a good discussion of the diary’s points occurring between several posters.
I’ll admit that I don’t understand all the legalese nor the parsing of the facts on whether or not VWP was covert. All I know is she’s not covert now and that’s not good for our country.
Assuredly not.
What’s you guys’ sense of the MSM buzz around all this? I haven’t been anywhere near a TV today.
Interesting sidelight to today’s hearings -
A cousin of mine back east, a nice man but brainwashed by the right, has been emailing editorials from the Investors Business Daily, WSJ, etc. which are over the top talking point screeds, including the execrable Toensing op ed piece in the WaPo – there was no crime, Valerie was not covert, etc. I tried my best to explain things to him but he sort of stuck to his guns, only getting so far as saying he would wait for the verdict about Libby before he would believe that he actually lied. Then after the verdict he sent me an IBD editorial that just fumed about the miscarriage of justice for poor old scooter.
Well, today I get this email – he listened to a bit of CSPAN I guess, and read a Yahoo news article about the hearings and writes this:
I didn’t know whether I should laugh, scream, cry, or bellow with rage. No doubt, Valerie Plame was a covert agent and the White House and State Department were unhappy with Joseph Wilson’s agenda.
Well, better late than never.
To quote Hamlet: ” ‘Tis a consumation devoutly to be wished.”
To Congress, quoting Jean Luc Picard: “Make it so.”
The few times I’ve seen the news it seems like most of the attention has been on Plame and Knodel.
(Isn’t “knodel” German for “noodle”?)
Heh! Spouse wants me to a) flex my nonexistent muscles and demand a signed copy when it comes out, and b) ask if you know REM, too. (Yes, my spouse is a demanding spouse.)
For some reason the Valerie story is not as big with the MSM as the federal judges. Possibly because the right wing spin (”she was a third rate analyst”) has been so effective, I don’t know.
TRex, drummers always keep you waiting.
While you’re answering Phoenix Woman’s questions… Do you know Pylon? “Chomp” is a great album.
(What is this “TV” thing that everyone seems to refer to over and over and over and over again and again and again and again?)
Remember that contest about an indictment of whom and when?
Y’ALL don’t forget that on…
May 8th, 2006 at 11:49 pm, #219, I said the following:
Warning: I have temporarily removed the tin foil from around my head (which keeps those damn voices from constantly talking to me.
Wishfully thinking…
By July 17th [20??], Carl, George, Dick, and all of Congress for treason.
Note: Tin foil fitted back over most of my head… Though, with some holes (that being in the tin foil and my head).
I may not get that book, or whatever the contest was all about, but it is as it is, and very well might be:)
Note: I am fully aware that I forgot to specify the year in the original post. Y’ALL will have to trust me; I’ve never lied to Y’ALL before:)
Dang Trex! I know your many fans here at FDL are pulling for you to get out of the house tonight. Can you just go somewhere fun and see if they call? I assume you have a cell phone.
Really, she couldn’t have been more amazing today. She’s my new girl-crush, that Valerie.
Jeez, isn’t that the truth.
Everything that comes out of their mouths is a fucking lie….
OfT: Perhaps Melanie Morgan’s fans are branching out in their listening habits, and finding new things to complain about elsewhere on the radio dial….
I am hoping that Chairman Waxman issues an updated, fact-checked transcript of The Cranberry Queen’s testimony.
I went and read Waxman’s letter to Bolton at the WH about Knodell’s testimony that was referenced above. Bolton will have a busy weekend responding to that letter. It is almost a pissed off as Conyers’ letter yesterday. Things of Beauty they are!
AZ #129…
can you throw me a link to that letter please?
bookwoman– thanks for your efforts on Knodell.
pretty much zippo there, and I wonder what kinda Dr. he is… Phys Ed? He admitted that he is not a lawyer.
curious indeed.
Best of times, TRex!
oh and good for your cousin, Morris. Maybe next time you can explain to him that Joe’s agenda was merely to tell the truth and be a good citizen and patriot, but I bet you ‘ve already done that! ;)
Phoenix Woman @119
Don’t know REM all that well, but have met Michael Stipe a few times. My old acquaintance Elliot Roberts managed them for a while (maybe he still does – I should ask him) and got them their contract with Warner Bros. Michael is really a nice man, far as I can tell.
Hey TSF! I hear Melanie’s goons are caravaning to DC to “protect” The Wall. This should be interesting. If they want a riot they will have to start it themselves.
Hey, what happened to “Quote this comment?”
Bobonze,
Check Yellowsnapdragon @ 60 for the Waxman letter link.
The Cranberry Queen is very generous, TSF. She looked like a rat that chewed through burgundy naugahyde to me! And who thought matching her jacket to her dye job was a good idea?
Trex,
hope you brought your juke box money
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8NhJNpQlsY
i just love the B52’s
learned how to do the Rock Lobster at my first jr. high school dance.
AZ Matt@133
Who is Melanie and her goons and what Wall needs protecting? Inquiring minds want to know. (g)
Morris,
It was turned off today to prevent overloading the servers during the Plame hearing.
Thanks, AZ Matt.
a) I will see what I can do.
b) Yes, I know R.E.M., only I expect Peter and Mike would look at me and say, “I know that I know that guy from somewhere. I just can’t figure out where.” Or they would walk up to me and immediately call me by my brother’s name.
There are people in the R.E.M. organization that read us every day. Did you know that?
There are people in the TSF organization that read us every day, too.
The Wilsons on CNN 360 now?
-
I don’t know; Toensing looked pretty good for being 67, I thought. But what came out of her mouth defiled her. She came just short of rolling her eyes once, then I guess she remembered she was under oath. She was awful; but she was really good at being awful. I thought.
Which is ever so much more glamorous and prestigious.
TeddySanFran mentioned her above. She is radio whoretess in San Fran who is a wingnut and has started a conservative group, Moving America Forward(correct me TSF if wrong). There are a lot wingnuts who believe the anti-war protest will try and damage the The Vietnam Mermorial in DC.
Thanx AZ! Well, at least Bolten will be a fraction as busy as Waxman is going to be to oversight all the F-Ups from the past 6 years
Way cool, TRex– I love REM; maybe they cull a couple of lyrics here and there from Jane, Christy, Pach. LHP, Phoenix Woman, emptywheel, Scarecrow, Siun, Donita and you. Or maybe they visit to soak up the fellowship, energy and the outrage.
(I am profoundly sorry if I left anyone out.)
Maybe they comment here, too.
(shhh)
Matt,
I think it’s called Moving America Backwards. Or maybe I’m confused.
Who is Knodell???
If the WH sent a fake person to testify, what does that mean legally?? If they send a homeless person to “serve at the pleasure of the president” is that okay???? What is going on??? What are the implications? Something stinks bigtime.
I don’t see this going well.
Jeffrey Toobin just admitted on CNN that he learned today that “Valerie Plame” was really damaged – what planet does he live on? Oh well, better late than never I suppose. aghhhhhhhhh!
Dr. James Knodell seems to enjoy the finer things in life. That looked like a $4500 Rolex. The old James Bond stainless steel kind, before Q went downmarket and switched to Omega.
Isn’t it, like, made out of stone? Arre they going to blow it up? Jeebus.
Morris,
She and some of her feloow commentators were suggesting their listeners commit violence against people she didn’t agree with. One blogger, Spocko, started contacting companies that advertised on her show and asking them if they wanted to be connected to her foul mouth. They started jumping ship really fast. Her station is owned by Disney.
TRex — Garwsh, thanks, but don’t push it if it’s a pain or would piss them off. I’m sure they get bombarded with requests like that all the time. (I’ll send you a signed CD of my spouse. But only if you want it.)
By the way: Litigatormom has a lovely diary over in DKos Land about how Natasha Toensing isn’t just a liar, but a very bad lawyer. Check it out.
Amb. Joe Wilson will be on Anderson Cooper (CNN) in a bit…
Morris Sheppard,
That’s wonderful.
You wouldn’t know what Yahoo article your cousin read, would you?
I’m afraid of “plants” at the anti-war protest that will try to make the good ones look bad. And after seeing the Liebergoons in CT, nothing would surprise me.
People keep saying Knodell said this, he said that, he’s the subject of Waxman’s. “Fine”. Who is he? Just tell me.
Apparently Cooper Anderson will show an interview with Ambassador Wilson later in the show.
Hope it’s from after the hearing, but I recognize the commercial aspect of a shameless, misleading tease.
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Correction: Waxman’s letter. (Edit not working)
Ya know the whole bitter irony about the wingnuts “rushing to protect The Wall”?
They were the ones screaming their lungs out AGAINST it when it was built. “A list of names of the dead? What is that, some Commie anti-war statement? Did Jane Fonda build this thing?” They were so pissed about it that a second, more conventional bronze statue memorial was created just to placate them.
LS,
Dr. James Knodell, Director, Office of Security, The White House
http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?id=1205
If anyone is interested (or doesn’t know), Mike Malloy is spending his entire show on Valerie Plame tonight
Not one true antiwar protester would ever do anything but grieve at that sad, black, endless wall.
Not one.
Only an idiot would defile that monument to the dead. And we know who the idiots are.
According to the Office of Security website, the director is not Knodell, but Richard Yamamoto.
http://www.osec.doc.gov/osy/about_us.html
Phoenix Woman-163
And if I remember correctly they were also pissed because it was an Asian woman whose design was chosen.
greenwarrior says:
March 16th, 2007 at 6:55 pm
epu’d from the ‘Well That Was Interesting’ thread:
i hope the above is correct grammar. if not, help me out here.
JEP & LandoftheFree thanks for the warm welcome. It did warm my heart. and thanks to both of you and raven for the EPU explanation.
also raven@298 on that thread:
“run away now while you can”
that had me totally cracking up. i’m way past “while you can”. this site is way too good.
i did call waxman’s office earlier to thank him and got the voicemail. i left a message that said: “thank you, thank you, thank you. you’re the kiss of life for our democracy.”
HotFlash, if you’re still hostessing and you’ve still got hot chocolate i’ll take mine with some of that delicious virtual Bailey’s.
Not only that, but it is a monument to OUR dead. I have family listed on that wall.
If I had a show, I would spend it all on Valerie Plame, too.
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Margot @158
Here’s the link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..k_congress
I watched the hearing today, but with the twins being their loud and adorable yet distracting selves, I missed a few things…, did anyone ask Knodell if ANYONE had asked his office NOT to proceed with an investigation. I know I kept waiting to hear that question…, but may have missed it. Anyone??? Thanks :)
David Brooks still pedling the “she was not covert” spin
There’s a James R Knodell in Loudoun co, VA; previously found in Westchester, Cook co, IL. Father’s dead, mother at one point was living with him, along with what looks like a wife, a son, a brother. One entry is for him alone, so I don’t know if the family split up or what. Still doesn’t get forwarder, except for the records I found came with a birthdate (1955, which sounds about right).
In April 2003, Richard Yamamoto was the Director of the Office of Security.
But, at my link above here http://www.osec.doc.gov/osy/about_us.html
And this later page(naming Richard as Director) was updated in October 2006.
Hmmn. How long did Mr. Knodell say he worked there?
Noodle is a civil servant- not a political appointee. He appears to be an idiot- but he looks presentable. His job is to be invisible apparently.
Here is Move America Forward:
http://www.moveamericaforward.org/
Yes Phoenix Woman, I agree with you that these folks are hypocrites. THe protesters don’t want to see another memorial with more names than The Wall has. No one is going to touch it. They use this as a way of saying they are the patriotic ones and the protesters ar the traitors. Same old shit.
Mike Malloy is covering all the highlights… particularly Knodell at this point
Absolutely. I have classmates on that wall, and but for a simple twist of fate one of those names could have been mine. I turned 21 in 1966.
Why do you think I hate this war so much?
My german wife just confirmed “knodell” means “dumpling”.
Fine name for a career civil servant.
Alice@174 – oh for God’s sake – can’t we just swift kick Brooks out of the picture with swarms of netroots justice demanding no more bookings on our airways?
Ya know the whole bitter irony about the wingnuts “rushing to protect The Wall”?
They were the ones screaming their lungs out AGAINST it when it was built.
just so
Kerry Sponsors Senate bill giving bloggers FOIA powers.
Seems like a fire sale on investigative journalism topics.
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ccmask– Knodell said he started in August 2004– so conveeenient.
Perhaps Henry will subpoena the former dude.
Yup, Maya Lin. They REALLY hated that, but they couldn’t quite come out and say it, being that hate radio hadn’t yet been unleashed by the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine.
Here is a link to the new manual for the Dept. of Commerce, printed in 2003, which supercedes all others.
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=…..reword.pdf richard Yamamoto&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us
Alice @ 175,
David Brooks thinks it’s “ancient history”?!
The past isn’t even past yet.
My german wife just confirmed “knodell” means “dumpling”.
Fine name for a career civil servant.
it isn’t the civil servants who got this country into trouble
Margot 164: If you should feel so inclined, please google or whatever, who James Knodell is. He testified on behalf of the White House today (the Administration of the United States of America) and has no apparent “history”. There is absolutely no background on this person on the Internet at all. Personally, I find it very strange that a person could appear before Congress (sent by the President presumably) and testify under oath representing our Government, and have no traceable past. I, as a citizen, would like to find out what his background is, and that is what I keep referring to.
Who is Knodell?
I felt sorry for Knodell. He probably doesn’t have any weight in the WH. He had to report to two people of above him and I doubt he is expected to do more than tell people to be careful. It seems to be WH window dressing and I am glad they sent him. He has given Waxman the opportunity to castigate the WH on security issues. The WH cannot deny they didn’t do shit now. I don’t think the fools who sent him to the Hill knew that this would backfire so badly.
No rock stars tonight. The B’s are tired and going back to their hotels.
So, it’s just me and my box of Girl Scout cookies.
Scenes from the life of a glamorous A-list blogger.
Margot says
March 16th, 2007 at 7:28 pm
Alice @ 175,
David Brooks thinks it’s “ancient history”?!
The past isn’t even past yet.
mebbe someone needs to tell the NewsHour that a lie is not a point of view
Good for John Kerry! During the Clinton years, it was standard practice to waive FOIA fees for people who couldn’t pay, but BushCo doesn’t want us unwashed slobs to have access to information without paying through the nose.
Sorry TRex. Another time.
Did you see my question about Pylon (Know ‘em?)
awww, TRex.
The good news is that you’re an A-list blogger and you are among friends and fans.
It could happen tomorrow or next week or..
Yay John Kerry.
always thought they were overrated anyway ;)
Trex,
Bummer man! Do something nice for yourself tomorrow, get out of the house.
I’ll share a box of Tagalongs with you, T. (((hug)))
Phoenix woman, what did he do?
P.J. Evans: Hmmm, hmmm.
TRex—
I love ya, big guy.
Smooches.
Lindy: Can’t find the comment now, but somebody posted a link to a MyDD post that mentioned Kerry’s plan to make it easier for bloggers to use the FOIA.
AZ Matt: Who is Knodell?
And here I was, being proud of myself for managing to work my way through posts and comments.
Herr Dumpling made quite an impression on congress. They couldn’t quite believe it- he was a total know nothing.
Lindy, check Millineryman at 184 for the link.
Kerry FOIA link
Here it is
Kerry Sponsors Senate bill giving bloggers FOIA powers.
#184 for the post linking to the MyDD post re: FOIA plan courtesy of Millineryman.
I AM so sick and F’n tired of hearing “it’s ancient history” from these repundants! Everything in the past 6 years is “Ancient History” according to Brooks, Rush, O’Reilly, all 3 spokes-liars from the BushCo office… we can’t bring up last week without it being regarded as “ancient History”… maybe these assfaces might want ot learn history so we don’t repeat history.
Thank god I missed News Hour tonight… I’d have TV shaped holes all over my house
Herr Dumpling made quite an impression on congress. They couldn’t quite believe it- he was a total know nothing.
Just following orders.
Looks like King George W. The Turd is stamping his feet and won’t let anyone tell him who to fire.
This would be so much easier if he were a dictator you know.
-GSD
Thanks, Dover Bitch and Millineryman.
TRex-
There are many other theropods on the savanna.
Bet the White House was laughin their ass off when they found out that Waxman had asked for Herr Dumpling!!
Knodell has the appearance of a longtime bureaucrat, but they can’t usually afford wrist watches worth two mortgage payments.
He said today he assumed his WH duties in 2004. Why did Waxman not also call the previous WH Director of Security, who would have been there during the second half of 2003, when the Plame outing happened and the six months thereafter, when the preliminary investigation should have taken place?
From Knodell’s body language, it seemed clear that nobody internally was about to touch the higher ups and really ask about their behavior or inquire into their security clearances.
That lack of an investigation merits investigation. It was months before Ashcroft’s Justice starting an investigation. This was a release of national security-related data that put lives and operations in jeopardy.
How was McClellan able to make such stark assertions that NO WH staff were involved in the leak? Did he chat people up while standing at the urinal or water fountain, or what?
David Brooks thinks it’s “ancient history”?!
Unlike like all of those salacious Bill Clinton/Arkansas stories…..why they were important to investigate because they were a window into his soul.
God, they are pathetic.
-GSD
Dr. Dumpling aka James Knodell kind of reminded me of Bernie Kerik. Kind of an incompetent jackboot vibe.
But of course they are always willing to discuss Bill Clinton’s past horndogginess.
GSD: GMTA! (Great Minds Think Alike!)
I didn’t get to read a lot here the last couple of days so I’m not sure if this has been noted:
VIP ward at Walter Reed gets scrutiny
The large, comfortable suites on the hospital’s top floor are reserved for the president, the vice president, federal judges, members of Congress and the Cabinet, high-ranking military officials and even foreign dignitaries and their spouses. The only enlisted members of the military who are eligible to stay there are recipients of the Medal of Honor.
The suites have carpeted floors, antique furniture and fine china in the dining rooms. That’s a stark contrast to mold- and mice-ridden housing that some wounded troops had been found to be living in.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/w…..-vip_N.htm
On other matters, McCain has apparently lost his mind. Said that he doesn’t know if condoms would slow the spread of AIDS- asks an AID to go find out what his (McCain’s) position is on that- says he’s sure he has one- just can’t remember what it is.
If elected, McCain will be the president to suffer from dementia earliest in his term.
This is not good politics for a seventy year old candidate.
Go here and see for yourself. He gets sliced & diced on exactly this subject. Seems he was put there and told to never act without orders. Ever.
Another way to go Brownie…
Knodell was rather flashy in a kind of “big” city kinda way. Slicked hair, big shoulders, dark suit, jewelry.
(I still think his doctorate is in Phys Ed or something he’s practicing on the side of his “day job”)
Another fall guy not hired to do the job by this admin.
He has a Tar Baby problem now.
On other matters, McCain has apparently lost his mind. Said that he doesn’t know if condoms would slow the spread of AIDS- asks an AID to go find out what his (McCain’s) position is on that- says he’s sure he has one- just can’t remember what it is.
If elected, McCain will be the president to suffer from dementia earliest in his term.
This is not good politics for a seventy year old candidate.
And, just on CNN, I see that he has a lump the size of a golf ball on his check!? Yowsa!
Dumpling said at one point that there had been no investigation cause there was a criminal investigation going on. When asked whether there would be an investigation now that the criminal investigation was over, he said “No one has told ME that it’s over- I’ll have to go home and think about that”.
Fuckin pathetic- just pathetic.
If I remember correctly, the WH originally was against Herr Dumpling testifying until Waxman threatened to subpoena him. That is just from memory and I’m trying to remember where I read it (today).
Who is Knodell???
Why anyone pays attention to Bobo Brooks after this insane article is beyond me. No wonder MacNeil left Lehrer!
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/2333
It’s about “poor” people not appreciating everything Rick Santorum did for them, and they’re gonna miss Man On Dog if he’s not reelected. Pathetic. Where’s Mean Gene the Dancin Machine when you need him?
Dr. James Knodell pulls a blank on various internet searches, except for his current assignment. If he can be forty-five to fifty, with (presumably) a Ph.D., and the expertise to be WH director of security, it suggests a military and/or intelligence background. Know anybody else who can wipe the computers clean?
Will McCain even make it to the Iowa Caucus? I can’t remember seeing a Prez campaign deflate so fast.
I haven’t read all these comments, but I did sorta scan them. Has NOBODY releazed that Toestink said to the Committee today that Joe Wilson said that he WAS SENT BY THE VEEP?
Maybe Dumpling, I mean Knodell was a covert agent before this job, eh?
WHOA!!
SCRATCH THAT!
The ROCK STARS HAVE CALLED!!
See you later!!
McCain could be on his way to the rest home by august.
Well, kiddies, I have to hit the hay (early, I know, but it’s been a long week). You play nice and go say hi to Chicago Dyke in her new thread, which should be arriving in fifteen minutes or less.
G’night, all!
Have fun, TRex and don’t forget to floss.
That’s true Suzanne– Tom Davis tried to slime Big Hank by saying he was not aware of any subpoenas and that the minority side should have been made aware and then Waxman gently but firmly responded back that Fred Fielding was balking on Knodell appearing and he said the word subpoena, and *poof*, he appeared today.
(not in those same words exactly)
Whooo-hooo! Excellent!
G’night and have fun!
James Knodell, director of the Office of Security at the White House,
I guess Trex will be sleeping in late tomorrow.
Thanks, angie.
Don’t forget to wipe off the G.S. crumbs TRex– have a happy, happy nite.
‘ol Johnny Boy decided to hitch his wagon to Shrubya, and it’s been a steady fall ever since. Whoops.
Not even the wingnuts will put up with that kind of decision-making.
Joe Wilson, LIVE, on CNN, now…
Has somebody looked up (or what do we already know about) the cast of characters Knodell testified he reports to:
1) Tom Dreyer (sp?) – Deputy Chief Operations Officer for the Office of Administration
…who reports to:
2) Sandra Evans – Chief Operations Officer (”C.O.O.”) within the Office of Administration
…who reports to:
3) Mr. Allen (sp?) Swindeman (sp)??? – “our Director of Office of Administration”
…who is a “political appointee”
Just askin’
Apparently fresh from huffing Karl Rove’s rancid jock-strap, David Frum postulates that the Democrats have attacked Gone-zales because they know he’s due for a seat on the Supreme Court.
Then Frum then took a dump in the street and got back in the parade behind the Lippazaner’s.
-GSD
Goodnight TRex. Follow the music.
The Republicans with a sense of self-preservation are busy trying to cut the anvil of Gone-zales from the neck of Bush. Bush keeps rapping the rope tighter and digging his heels in.
Nobody’s gonna tell him what to do. He’s The Decider.
-GSD
I missed Amb. Wilson on 360 – how did it go, anyone?
newspaperbrat says:
March 16th, 2007 at 7:25 pm
Alice@174 – oh for God’s sake – can’t we just swift kick Brooks out of the picture with swarms of netroots justice demanding no more bookings on our airways?
I’m up for it
It’s PBS, how can they run something like that and and then ask for money?
I missed Wilson too Lou….
LoudounLib – it was pretty short… nothing we weren’t aware of.
new thread.
self-delete; wild idea proved wrong.
Chicago Dyke upstairs
I missed Amb. Wilson on 360 – how did it go, anyone?
Not too much. Just straightened out Cooper that Valerie was in fact, covert, per the DCIA Hayden. Anderson was confused about that
I’m impressed with the zombie strength of the “She wasn’t covert!” talking point. Plame said she was covert and that she had served overseas in the past five years. Waxman said she was covert. The head of the CIA said she was covert. Toensing says she has no direct knowledge of Plame’s activities, but she is SURE that Plame wasn’t covert. I still can’t understand it.
Now, I’m curious about Knodell. I’m a librarian and I can usually find info on pretty much anything and anyone, but I’m having trouble with him. All I’ve found about him so far is a listing in the Federal Yellow Book (Chief Security Officer in the Executive Office of the President). I searched Dissertation Abstracts but there is no sign of him there. Unless he’s a medical doctor, his dissertation should be included there. So, who is James Knodell?
“We’ve only had subpoena power for the last six weeks and every tree that we’ve barked up so far has had a cat in it,” said a senior Democrat who spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak publicly. “Imagine where we’ll be after six months.”
http://www.politico.com/news/s…../3155.html
Quote of the week
#61. Waxman’s letter to Bolton is a bomb that just dropped down the funnel of Battleship Bush. Big boom coming.
Must Read: Jeremy Scahill’s, “Blackwater: Rise of the World’s Most Powerful Mercenary Army”.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070402/scahill
Summary of Mr. Bush and Mr. Rumsfeld’s military privatization campaign and the growth of Erik Prince’s Blackwater, and what it means for America’s insecurity at home and abroad.
According to Scahill, Blackwater operates the largest private army in the world. Twenty plus thousand, ex-Recon, Special Forces, SEALs, SAS (top talent, capable of Any Mission). Blackwater has a 7,000 acre base in NC, other bases in IL and CA, and permits to operate in every US coastal state. It has over a billion in admitted revenue, plus Black Contracts.
Internationally, they can violate international law with impunity. Domestically, they can be used to skirt posse comitatus restrictions on the use of the Army for police duties. They provided “security” services post-Katrina, not just in Lousiana, but throughout the Gulf. For what? Why? Because National Guardsmen costing less than a tenth their price ($950/day) were all away in Iraq?
The consequences of the growth and use of Blackwater (and its competitors) could be devastating. They are not legally accountable except to those they contract with. And who would take a billionaire owner of a private, black ops army into open court? We ignore them at our peril.
“ccmask says:
March 16th, 2007 at 7:17 pm
According to the Office of Security website, the director is not Knodell, but Richard Yamamoto.
http://www.osec.doc.gov/osy/about_us.html”
That’s a Dept of Commerce website. Knodell is supposed to be Chief Security Officer for the Exec Office of the Prez. Given the lack of info on him – see comment 262 – odds are high he’s ex-somebody’s Intel.
Most bureaucrats can’t afford his suits or jewelry, and aren’t able to construct his opaque computer trail. The last time I saw that was for an ex-Seal who claims to have spent time doing wet work before retiring to teach martial arts. Unlike Steven Segal, his request on leaving was to be erased from govt computers. Like Google, however, I expect they NEVER erase.
On that score, I believe it was waynemadsenreport.com that had a blurb wondering whether the continuing spate of govt identity thefts was a result of black ops re-populating Admiral Poindexter’s supposedly defunct Total Information Awareness computer database. That would be sooo Rummmy.
That AP article on the hearing is shameful.
For which reasons? Not reported – because the “critics” can’t cite any. Also not reported: Fitzgerald’s own clear statements as to why nobody was charged with the leak.
That conflicts with senior officials at the CIA and State Department, who testified during Libby’s trial and told Congress that Plame recommended Wilson for the trip.
Someone refresh my memory, because this doesn’t sound remotely familiar. Did anyone so testify, or is AP extruding this one out of their spinnerets?
i am so glad you saw that AP article by julie hirschfield…i was aghast at the headline, and then skimmed it in disbelief. unbee-leaveable.
I watched all the testimony, and then the news on it… it was so much easier to see the media making shit up and ignoring key items (that they have avoiding ensuring the public know) after seeing some of the fact (under oath).
I think the moment when Waxman closed the panel with Plame with words of truth from a chair of authority was a great moment (truth is not Demcratic or Republican). You could see the tears well-up in a person who was actually outed from doing WMD work at the CIA —-by her own governement—.
Oh – and so sad that when Toensing came on after that and (likely – we shall see) lied, and surely attempted to evade questions and answer with (as she was called on it) such narrow constraints and definitions that she attempted to not commit pergury, while being dishonest.
The Republican questioners were also fairly pathetic.
It also shows how great it is that these things will now be on the record. And in fact the Repblicans are lying and making up their version of “truthiness”. It also shows how they got away with this stuff in doing nothing for the last 6 years by controlling what gets done, who gets called to speak, what they can ask, and how they write information up. I loved that these panels are going to disclose the lies and half-truths of these Republican Senate/House panels from the last few years.
As for McCain and those like him – get a friggin clue… you think America is going to elect a president from the works Senate in living voters history? The Republican Senate from 2000 – 2006 is not a stain on a blue dress…it is a stain on the glory of the flag. (Though I am sure some of the crap that Regan started that lead to Enron and what we have today must have come pretty close – but they served that with ice cream and the working man thought it tasted good so that was under the radar).
from above “works” Senate in living voters history should read “WORST” Senate.
Dr. James Knodell, Director, Office of Security, The White House
Guy who thinks (or has been directed) that its OK to have a CIA op leaker in WH because maybe a criminal investigaiton was going on… of course the POTUS had said they were going to investigate (or could have walked about 200 feet to the Office of the VP).
…so that would mean that you have someone who keeps their access and can continue to leak information for 3 years.
WTF…. the guy has not talked to anyone at the White House about the possibility of an investigation.
Dr. James Knodell, Director, Office of Security, The White House
(on C-SPAN again)
222 ccmask says:
March 16th, 2007 at 7:43 pm
I didn’t get to read a lot here the last couple of days so I’m not sure if this has been noted:
VIP ward at Walter Reed gets scrutiny
The large, comfortable suites on the hospital’s top floor are reserved for the president, the vice president, federal judges, members of Congress and the Cabinet, high-ranking military officials and even foreign dignitaries and their spouses. The only enlisted members of the military who are eligible to stay there are recipients of the Medal of Honor.
The suites have carpeted floors, antique furniture and fine china in the dining rooms. That’s a stark contrast to mold- and mice-ridden housing that some wounded troops had been found to be living in.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/w…..-vip_N.htm
I wrote to Ted Kennedy about this, though he did not reply. My friend worked there as a doctor (Walter Reed), and she was sickened by these higher-ups (including – and believe it Bob Dole [who is co-chair of the investigation; why I wrote TK], and Condi Rice would come in and impetulently demand immediate attention, very often for minor matters – and she would have to leave the kid down the hall/down the stairs who only had part of his stomach, or no legs to coddle these people in granite halls.
Made me sick when she told me….three years ago.
Oh, and from above she also said it was not only Republicans, the Dems also did this. She did recall these two Repubs, and noted it was more often them – but that could be since there were more of them down there at that time.
I will have to ask her more about it if she gets back from Iraq.
On the need to know the name of a covert agent the only one on that chart from the White House would be Dick Cheney (since he called for a third check on this).
There would be -NO- need to know for anyone in the Press column, and certainly not one of the arrows from the WH to the press is valid.
ccmask @
167
That’s Commerce’s Department of Security, not the White House’s.
It is odd that Knodell has no internet presence, but not unheard of. My half-sister–who has an unusual name (i.e., no false positives on searches)–pulls in exactly one google hit, and that’s from about two weeks ago. Then again, she has about 15 years less professional experience than Knodell, so who knows?
As for Toensing, you can see the exact moment she realizes she’s screwed during her testimony. It’s when Waxman breaks in to clarify her statement about the CIA’s Griering (sp?) testifying. Her entire demeanor changes to suddenly meek and unsure, and she gets a fairly obvious little girl voice, as if she suddenly understood the real possibility of perjury charges against her. It’s so cute. I think she shat herself, too.
Frank Probst @
261
What you’re missing is that Toensing claims to be the World’s Foremost Authority on the Intelligence Identities Protection Act (IIPA) of 1982 (Pub.L. 97-200, 50 U.S.C. 421-426). Therefore she claims to have Knowledge of who the law applies to, and who it doesn’t, and feels Empowered to Pronounce Judgment on all matters pertaining to the IIPA.
A shout out to Pach here: Does she strike you as having a bit of ego inflation? Delusions of grandeur? Megalomania?
Bob in HI
P J Evans @
175
good ole ZabaSearch.
in the knodell poke-around-the-internet search, anybody check the male escort web sites, a la gannon & sanchez?
RedX @ 275:
The USA Today article went on to say that Strom Thurmond spent the last year of his wretched life in the luxury suites.
And doncha know that was a taxpayer expense!!! Think what the $$$ spent on that old racist could have done for really deserving vets.
“Lying was considered by our GOP/Media Complex friends to be a horrible, horrible sin…”
I don’t have any GOP friends anymore, and would never have even one in the media.
Thank gawd.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I…..raphie.jpg
I knew Knodell reminded me of someone. Check it out!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I…..raphie.jpg
Although there isn’t much on Knodell you might want to check this out. A striking resemblance!
See, this is what’s so strange about Toensing’s non-appearance in the news stories on the Waxman case. Did the media realize — after Waxman repeatedly called her on her lies — that she wasn’t to be trusted (and that any attempts to build an anti-Plame case from Toensing’s words was doomed from the start)?
Now I’m wondering how much the Vic billed for her committee appearance?
With preparation time, etc, the RNC probably owes her thousands and thousands.
heh, heh, heh
I have a question: as a citizen, is there any way for me to file charges against any federal employee for making false statements?
bookwoman @ 65
I wonder Who owns that website? $139. to get any info from that site.
LS @ 191
I am also peaked and did a check and didn’t come up with much. Now I wonder who the people are that he said were he reported to, his supervisors/directors/bosses. Any one have those names?
sunshine @
289
Two of them are Tom Dreier and Sandra Evans. I did find out that a James R. Knodell and Joyce Knodell (via Zabasearch/intellius) have had several addresses in “Virginia”, so I guess that may indicate why we can’t find him…puts on tinfoil hat…
Knodell testified 2X that he started working there August, 2004. He does not show up on this, however, so who pays him?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..alary.html
sunshine @
288
some clues from:
http://www.whois.ws/domain_inf…..files.com/
Contact Info
Owner Leadership Directories, Inc.
Email gmcloughlin@leadershipdirectories.com
Phone 1 212 627 4140, Fax: 1 212 645 0538
Address 104 5th Ave
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maybe he’s a spook.
Bluetoe @
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Felt a bit sorrry for Knodell, especially when someone called him “the fall guy”. This reminded me forcibly of David Kelly, who was the man who might have leaked the UK “dodgy dossier” to the press. In a UK Parliamentary committee he was called the fall guy. He went home and committed suicide.
Phoenix Woman @
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No one has picked up on Waxman’s excellent snark at the end of her testimony, which went approximately-
Waxman: I do not think you should base your view of the law on what you did 30 years ago.
Toensing: (simpering)only 25!
Waxman: I’ll hold the rcord open on that as well.