
Don't cha just love how the conservative "moral clarity" types suddenly become relativists when confronted by wrongdoing in their god-king Bush?
No matter the action, when Bush or his people are caught doing something, from abusing signing statements to firing US Attorneys en masse, the automatic, unthinking, Pavlovian screech from the perpetually whiny children that make up "the right" is: "But Clinton did it toooo! Moooooom!"
Except, of course, that 99.9% of the time Clinton really didn't do it.
Take signing statements, for instance. As with his predecessors, Bill Clinton used the signing statement — which, compared to Bush, he used very sparingly; only about three and a half-dozen times as opposed to Bush's nearly eight hundred times so far — as a way to comment on a particular piece of legislation. That's fine and dandy; that's what the things are for. But when George W. Bush moved into the White House, he brought David Addington with him — and David Addington was the evil jerk who came up with the idea of using signing statements to actually alter the intended effects of the legislation — and in some cases, to counter them:
According to the Boston Globe, Addington has been the “leading architect” of these signing statements, which have been added to more than seven hundred and fifty laws. He reportedly scrutinizes every bill before President Bush signs it, searching for any language that might impinge on Presidential power. These wars of words are yet another battlefront between Addington and Congress, and some constitutional scholars find them troubling. Few of the signing statements were noticed until one of them was slipped into Bush’s signing of the McCain amendment. The language was legal boilerplate, reserving the right to construe the legislation only as it was consistent with the Constitution. But, considering that Cheney’s office had waged, and lost, a public fight to defeat the McCain amendment democratically—the vote in the Senate was 90–9—the signing statement seemed sneaky and subversive.
Earlier this month, the American Bar Association voted to investigate whether President Bush had exceeded his constitutional authority by reserving the right to ignore portions of laws that he has signed. Richard Epstein, the University of Chicago law professor, said, “What’s frightening to me is that this Administration is always willing to push the conventions to the limits—and beyond. With his signing statements, I think the President just goes too far. If you sign these things with a caveat, do the inferior officers follow the law or the caveat?”
Bruce Fein argues that Addington’s signing statements are “unconstitutional as a strategy,” because the Founding Fathers wanted Presidents to veto legislation openly if they thought the bills were unconstitutional. Bush has not vetoed a single bill since taking office. “It’s part of the balancing process,” Fein said. “It’s about accountability. If you veto something, everyone knows where you stand. But this President wants to do it sotto voce. He wants to give the image that he’s accommodating on torture, and then reserves the right to torture anyway.”
As with signing statements, so it is with the US Attorneys.
For one thing, as any person with a functioning brain knows, yes indeed — the common practice for new presidents is to replace the previous president's political appointees, which include US Attorneys. They can, of course, let them stay on, but much if not most of the time, they are replaced. This happens even if the previous president was of the same party as the new one; remember the big stink that was made by the conservatives when George Herbert Walker Bush, Dim Son's dad (and who hardcore cons never accepted as one of them), got rid of a bunch of Reagan appointees when he assumed office in 1989?
But what is NOT usual — what is, in fact, downright frowned upon — is replacing your own appointees en masse because they refuse to put party before country. That's what we're talking about with the Dauphin here.
Over at DailyKos, regular FDL commenter litigatormom rips into this particular wrinkle of the "But Clinton did it tooooo!" whine with gusto. She points to Kyle Sampson's own words, in the January 9, 2006 e-mail he wrote to Harriet "Fire 'Em All" Miers, in which he says flat-out that Clinton DIDN'T do it:
…once confirmed by the Senate and appointed,U.S. Attorneys serve for four years and then holdover indefinitely (at the pleasure of the President, of course). In recent memory, during the Reagan and Clinton Administrations, Presidents Reagan and Clinton did not seek to remove and replace the U.S. Attorneys they had appointed whose terms had expired, but instead permitted those U.S. Attorneys to serve indefinitely under the holdover provision. (Underscoring in original.)
Why weren't previous Prezzes quick to zap the US Attorneys? Sampson posits these reasons:
There are several likely explanations for this: in some cases Presidents Reagan and Clinton may have been pleased with the work of the U.S. Attorneys, who, after all, they had appointed. In other instances, Presidents Reagan and Clinton may simply have been unwilling to commit the resources necessary to remove the U.S. Attorneys, find suitable replacements (i.e., seek the "advice" of the home-state Senators), complete background investigations, and secure Senate confirmations. (Emphasis added.)
But of course, by the time Sampson wrote his January 9, 2006 e-mail, Senate confirmation was no longer an obstacle. Why?
Because in December of 2005 — less than a month before Sampson wrote his e-mail — Arlen Specter did the Bush Junta a big, big favor. He inserted language into the "Patriot" Act — which was up for renewal at the time — that allowed the Attorney General to simply hire and fire US Attorneys at will, without needing Senate confirmation.
As Josh Marshall pointed out, it was this newly-acquired ability to hire and fire US Attorneys at will that enabled the purges to be dreamed up in the first place. Without this ability, the purges would not have been possible. Each of the new hires would have had to go through the Senate first — at which point questions would have come up about why this purge was happening in the first place.
Feel free to pass this bit of knowledge on to the next reporter or newspaper or anyone else that unthinkingly repeats the GOP's "But Clinton did it tooooo!" spin.



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Fitz
Their Clinton-Envy shows no sign of abating.
They even hauled out Newtie to “confess” and “ask for forgivness” the way they want Big Dog to do. Te result? America stifled a yawn.
What is of concern to me is what Democrats like Hillary and the DLC do and say now.
ABC report that Karl Rove was at center of USA firings and Gonzo knew all about it.
Spotlight this to ABC and Charlie Gibson and their new legal “expert” whatever-her-name-is. Clueless conflation courtesy WH spin clearly in evidence on their Nightly News broadcast just minutes ago.
Read this.
You’ll like it and it is good for you too.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..onzales-2/
Oops. Looks like Bush/Coulter Republican Senator Gordon Smith just called for Albo’s head on a pike too.
Hey Alberto, hope you enjoy selling real-estate in Houston, you’ll look nice in a gold jacket.
-GSD
Countdown should be an absolute blast tonight…
Ditto the Daily Show & Colbert.
Conyer’s letter toady to Gonzo:Link
He is pissed after reading Murray Waas’s article.
And they’re saying it was all Harriet Miers’ idea. But then what do I know. I’m just a turnip who’s lost his truck, and wandering aimlessly on tobbacco road…
When I woke up last Monday morning, I knew that this would be a week of richly unfolding political scandal. But I had no idea just how gratifying it would be. It feels so good! On to Friday!
When do we get to use the word totalitarian?
*xyz @ 6
Here’s the headline, for those who need an incentive to click the link:
Schumer: White House Holding ‘Active And Avid Discussion’ Over Gonzales Resignation
*xyz @ 6
Yep. I liked it.
does anyone know if olbermann is supposed to have a *special guest* tonite?
i read it somewhere on this site. nothing about it listed on his msnbc site. i dont want to start any rumors so i will refrain from printing a name, but it’s someone we all have been longing to hear from.
pardon me for going off topic so soon, but i wrote an essay titled “3 reasons to give 3 cheers for blogtopia, and yes we coined that phrase” in which i highlight tangible major results on a national level coming from actions taken by bloggers.
i mention it here because i give real specific kudos and mad props to marcy and the fdl gang for their work on the libby trial.
if i haven’t said it enough here, forgive me: the stuff you guys did on libby was historical in its significance for a sea-change in journalism. good job!
AZ Matt @ 9
I’m amazed my eyebrows are still on my face, that thing was so scorching.
OT Adventures in Reading the New York Times March 15, 2007 Edition In 2 parts
House Panel Backs Iraq Timetable in Spending Bill by Jeff Zeleny and Robin Toner
This is part of the Times’ continuing non-coverage of the Iraq debate in the House and Senate. In fairness, this time around it does point out that the measures being debated in the two chambers are not the same although it does not stress enough the differences between them and the politics that attach to them, i.e. resolution vs appropriations bill.
Some of the reporting is beyond gratuitous. Take this example from the House. The article notes that only one Democrat voted against the supplemental in committee Barbara Lee (D-CA) because she thought it did not go far enough. Shouldn’t the focus be on the majority who voted for it? Apparently not. Zeleny and Toner go off the rails into unnecessary personal attack on the lone dissenting Democrat.
The Almanac is put together by the conservative Michael Barone and Richard E. Cohen (the one from National Journal, not the faux liberal one). First, having stated that the supplemental did not go far enough was itself an adequate indication of Lee’s political leanings. Second, there is no far left in American politics and certainly not in the Congress (now as for a far right, there is one, but I digress). Third, this kind of citation is in keeping with the “fringe” characterization of the anti-war position held by 60-70% of the American people.
Zeleny and Toner are far from finished however. They bring up the supposedly key Republican objection.
You see this is about principle. It always is when it’s a question of Republicans. Except there is this one small thing . . .
When the Republicans were in control and Harold Rogers was the chairman of the subcommittee which controlled spending for the Department of Homeland Security, ole Harold was known as the Prince of Pork. Folks down in Corbin loved him cuz he always brought them goodies.
http://www.mindfully.org/Refor…..4may06.htm
So let’s see Zeleny and Toner are willing to belabor the record of the sole Democrat voting with the minority, but ignore the blatant (and hysterically funny) hypocrisy of the leader of that minority. They repeat the White House pledge to veto the bill if passed, ignoring once again that this is a must pass bill and fail to explore the issue of Republicans voting against “funding for the troops.”
skippy @ 16
And Josh Marshall has been like a dog with a bone on the DoJ scandals.
As for the debate in the Senate (the Reid Resolution was defeated by the way 48-50 with Democrats Pryor and Nelson and Independent Lieberman voting against and Smith the only Republican voting for), Zeleny and Toner have this to say about it.
They fail to point out that the only reason the Republicans didn’t filibuster was because they knew that this was a vote they were going to win. Call me cynical but I am not sure that Smith would have voted for the Reid Resolution if his had been the determining vote. Taking a page from the Fox News, our intrepid reporters do present a fair and balanced view of the debate by citing the White House position, those of 4 Republicans, and that of one Democrat.
I especially liked them citing John McCain who didn’t even show up for the vote because he was off campaigning:
Got that? John McCain partisan? Heavens! Who would think that? That’s probably why he’s running for President –to be non-partisan. Still it’s a nice piece of spin to exculpate the 4 years of Republican disaster in Iraq with an airy “Political parties don’t lose wars.” The irony of McCain’s statement passes right over the heads of Zeleny and Toner, but as with so much else in their reporting this does not surprise me in the least. After all, these are the same guys who completely missed Mitch McConnell’s gamesmanship.
Yeah, right.
hey firedogs,
I am waaay behind on the threads -
Kyle Sampson’s lawyer (Brad Berenson) has broached the subject of immunity for his client
does everyone know Berenson himself was an atty in WH Counsel Office – or is that news from 3 threads back ???
and is this news to y’all ??
h/t Josh
I almost forgot the link to the story above of Zeleney and Toner
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03…..d=2&hp
So using the same twisted thought process that blames Clinton for everything under the sun, save for whatever KSM confessed to doing. It’s really Bush 41’s fault that Clinton lied because Bush 41 lied to the country first when he said “read my lips” then proceeded to raise taxes anyway.
Sweet:
http://www.gregpalast.com/
*xyz @
6
Better than vitamins!
I have to ask…how the HELL did we get to this point?
I SO wish I had the skillset that would be welcome in Australia or New Zealand, so I could leave this fucking right-wing shithole.
It doesn’t MATTER that 70 percent of the American people want out of Iraq, the SAUDIS and AIPAC (strange bedfellows eh?) want us to stay SO WE STAY!
It doesn’t matter what crimes Bushco and all their wastes of skin commit, they will get away with it. Libby will never serve time, Bush will pardon the minute court is adjourned after his sentencing, and NO ONE will DO anything about it.
Why? because Bushco OWNS IT ALL.
I believe only violence will effect any sort of change in the US, and unlike the ’60s, everyone is too afraid to do it. Even *I* am, and I disgust myself.
We get the government we deserve, so I guess we deserve to be shat on continuously, from the cradle to the grave.
I was channel switching but my impression was that both ABC and NBC played up the list of crimes that KSM confessed to with only glancing reference to the fact that a lot of it was made up.
cbl @
21
Abandon Chimp!
Looks like Mr. Sampson doesn’t want to become the next Irve Libby. Perhaps he’s leaking some of these memos.
Keep that guy away from windows and don’t let Putin give him any tea.
-GSD
skippy @ 16
Skippy, Did you see where I explained Emptywheels handle?
Check out the email address:
http://www.gregpalast.com/wp-c…..caging.png
regardless if rove goes down or not, the system is broken beyond repair. that includes the wonderful possibilities of Waxman and Conyers’ investigations. what isn’t broken, and is only just beginning to find its power, is the blogosphere.
i am ashamed that the dems can’t find their way home, as OK Kiddo often interjects. i recognize that lhp thinks it’s going to take a constant drip of evidence and hard work. Nice to hear, but the system is broken, and the real question is if it’s broken beyond repair.
An underlying vision of what we are trying to achieve, when we say I Want My Country Back, I Want The Horror to Stop, is perhaps the only unifying concept which provides enough strength to the necessary changes. When enough of the amurkan people begin to embrace an underlying vision of where we want to find ourselves in the near future, only then can the system be repaired.
i’m not holding my breath, but i also won’t stop trying to clarify that vision. What Fitz did will indeed go down in history, but we really need a new Gandhi. And she ain’t called “hill.”
Alberto Gonzales’ “Mistakes Were Made” is #1 on the:
“Top 10 GOP Sound Bites List.”
I think we have a themesong for this Rovegate.
Let the Eagle Soar, baby.
-GSD
I said earlier today that the Republicans are countering their getting caught stacking US attorney offices with partisan gunslingers with the meme that it was appropriate but poorly handled from a PR point of view. It’s the Cheney approach. Sure, it’s a lie but if you repeat enough times a lot of people are going to believe it.
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @
26
Settle down. Bush will be impeached and lose his power to pardon. There are too many people on his rear now.
candygram for KKKarl !, candygram for KKKarl !
Latest talking point now about “Clinton did it too” regarding US Attorney firings is the claim Clinton fired a US attorney who was heading up the Whitewater investigation.
Olbermann was scheduled to appear with Plame at a PFAW sponsored event on Sat in NYC, I bought tickets for me and the hubby immediately, but the event was canceled a few days later. I was happy to hear, though, it was because folks in Congress wanted to chat with her :-)
Will KO give us an exclusive tonight?
It seems that Clinton did fire a couple of US attorneys, but hardly for political gain.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/
Hugh @
27
News Hour lead with the story and did not mention a hint of doubt or torture at all.
karl’s solution: surge & purge
ABC World News Tonight just repeated the Clinton falsehood tonight.
Is it possible that the USA’s were fired preemptively in order to have some effect on the 2008 election – say if they are anticipating a 2000 redux….get their own cooperating people in now?
anyone -
where in the hell is this guy ?
Looks like Mr. Sampson doesn’t want to become the next Irve Libby. Perhaps he’s leaking some of these memos.
Keep that guy away from windows and don’t let Putin give him any tea.
and whatever you do, don’t let him get a haircut
looseheadprop @ 227
Helluva bunch of kick-ass smart women here.
Jane, Christy, you can relax today, you trained yur pups up well, they are good hunters.
Quick, the Whitehouse, The Dear Leader and his trusted Rasputin Rove are under attack. Man the barricades, call Zell Miller and tell him to bring the spitballs…this is war. Stack the bodies of unknown subordinates high enough to stop some bullets.
-GSD
I notice a glaring lack of WATB Lieberman telling us how cool Abu is.
F*cker.
skippy @
16
Skippy, if you’re looking for a pardon, you came to the wrong place. You’ll be wanting 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in DC, but I hear there’s a big line forming up there, so you’d better hurry.
;)
lestatdelc @ 37
Whitewater? Right then, sounds like we need a Special Prosecutor on this one…
omg Hotflash, your comment reminded me that just last week – lhp alluded to three different issues within DOJ that had all kinds of USA’s & former USA’s stirred up – bwaaahaaaahaaaa! gonna see if I can find it –
fyi – David Gregory (Hardball) has on fired USA’s McKay(WA) and Cummmings (AR) and they are doing their lawyerly best to lay this out – and clearly have taken well justified professional umbrage with the “performance issues” meme . love thinking that there’s no way the usual suspects can come out and slime these “decent Republicans” – sweeeet!
The Ides of March
lhp former USA’s going back through several administrations have been burning up the phone lines and are gonna start kicking ass and taking names
Oh that just makes me all tingly.
Yay Rayne, and yay for all of you behind the scenes, you know who you are.
JUSTICE!
Let’s get lots of people to join in. Everybody in favor of the rule of law can play.
kemo @ 50
I’m gonna need some Special Prosecco pretty soon.
hey egregious –
do you recall (probably during a hearing live blog last week )- lhp alluding to lots of resentment at DOJ/USA’s over 3 separate issues – and you in fact, guessed one ? so many threads, so little time – would love, love, love to find that -
Nearing the end of a 2-week vaca in South America. It~~s been great being able to keep up with FDL as we went from Chile to Argentina to Iguazu Falls to Brazil. I even managed to sit in on the FDL Gabbly from Santiago Chile during the Libby Verdict Party! And things are going SO much better for Truth and Justice since then… I cannot WAIT to get back and be able to track things more closely.
I also read Marcy~s book twice and just admire and love it SO much.
Has FDL been nominated for a Pulitzer Prize yet, I wonder… :)
(((JANE)))
hah hah hah. . . here comes the D.C. kiss of disgrace:
“You’re doing a heckuva job Gonzi!”
we are a thread to their existence.
stem cell research was vetoed
And while we’re at it, let’s retire the “we were concerned about a lack of voting fraud prosecutions” talking point:
Tim Griffin, who was made USAttorney in Arkansas after Bud Cummins was fired, and who had previously been Rove’s head of opposition research, was up to his eyeballs in voter suppression in Florida in 2004:
punaise @ 58
I do knot have a problem with that.
punaise @ 58
Oh what a tangled web we weave, when they practice to deceive!
@ 1025pm tonite on cspan1:
Patrick Leahy and
also looks as though the Waxman hearing will be ca. 3 hrs long. :O
http://inside.c-spanarchives.o…..hedule.csp
Not quite right. The no-Senate provision was introduced in late 2005. But the original “fire ‘em all” plan was in January, 2005, while we were still under the *old* Patriot Act, which didn’t include that replacement provision.
The limited purge that was done in Dec 2006 was most probably enabled by the new provision, but the proposal to replace them all wasn’t.
nothing but net.
Okay, I kinda hate to ask this question, but …
When Karl was talking about firing all the U.S. Attorney’s – what was the status of the Plame investigation? Was he told yet that the GJ would not be indicting him or was it before?
punaise @ 55
Try a fine Italian varietal, like Bonamici…
Gotta give some kudos to Hugo Chavez for nailing it by calling Bush a “political cadaver”. I can smell the funk from NH.
-GSD
Maybe Harriet is giving the e-mails to ABC? It’s all just too delicious.
Hey, never mind. Answered my own question. Early 2005 was before Cooper testified to the GJ.
Interesting no that Rove was talking about getting rid of Patrick Fitzgerald?
allan_in_upstate @
60
That will become an intergral part of the broader narrative indeed.
-GSD
presser w/ chuck schumer zeroing in on getting rove to testify about the firings emails is like watching a dog w/ a bone – his eyes can’t contain his glee!
I LOVE MY SENATOR!!!!
I’m listening to a nitwit on MSNBC saying Rove’s involvement in selecting which attorneys to fire is not inappropriate, “nothing wrong with it” – David Gregory gives him a pass.
kemo @ 68
grazie, buon amico
“Two wrongs don’t make a right,” Mama said.
Prairie Sunshine @
5
Absolutely!! Here they are: they’ve gotten the “scoop,” and Charlie Gibson is falling all over himself “apologizing.” I guess this is their idea of “fair and balanced.”
from last night:
Mahablog, via digby:
RagingGurrl @ 73
Give me Tweety any day.
cbl @ 21
Immunity for Sampson from what? This is getting GOOD!
Regarding the firing of all USAs as a method for getting rid of the Plame investigation, it was my understanding that the way James Comey delegated authority to Fitzgerald, even if Fitzgerald were stripped of his position as USA, he would still be Special Prosecutor.
That’s how I remember it, anyhow.
Hoping someone will chime in who remembers this as well.
(So I don’t have to go digging deep in my browser files…) :-)
WOW!
MAJOR PROPS FROM DIGBY!!!!
Save Some Time Henry
by digby
I don’t know if looseheadprop and Marcy Wheeler and CHS have the time, but if they do, Henry Waxman should hire them as consultants on the Plame hearings. There is no substitute for their deep understanding of the evidence or the law on this case.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/
Here in AZ, where we DO NOT have daylight savings time (we have ALL the sunlight we can stand here in the desert, thank you very much), one of the benefits of everyone else “leaping ahead” in spring is that NOW Keith comes on my teevee an hour earlier!
Yay!
Don’t have to wait ’til 6 p.m. Keith now comes on at 5 p.m.
RagingGurrl @
73
I saw that. I thought Gregory had more smarts than that. I wanted to kick him!!
Bustednuckles @ 81
Yes yes yes!!!
This is what I was advocating for back when word first came down that Henry would be holding this hearing.
It’s just smart!
RagingGurrl @
73
Tony Blankley, editor of The Washington Times. Consider the source; I’m sure David does. Although, this week Gregory’s been giving out passes like Bush1 pardons.
Mrs. K8 @
80
Mrs. K8, I think you are correct. Comey made Fitzgerald darn near bullet proof. He must have seen how sleazy things were way back then.
-GSD
P.S. I thought Fitz’ response to Congress regarding testifying was more proof of how much of a stand up, non-political man he is.
Mrs. K8 @ 80
it wouldn’t have affected his Special Counsel status but he would be out of his “day job”
Dec 2005, hmmm What was Roves official position at that time? Had he been stripped of his title due to the Plame matter yet?
If Iowa is any indicator of the loyalty factor these “Bushies”, the “other” US-A’s who did NOT get fired, then we may already have a laundry list of harrassment and prejudiced prosecutions right out there for the general public to peruse..
Someone may have said this already, but I seriously wonder whether the voter fraud attacks by these “Loyalists” against Democrats isn’t an obscene machivellian smoke-screen to defer scrutiny away from their own electoral mis-deeds.
Is there any investigation of Rove’s complicity in the New Hampshire massacre of ‘04?
Seems these loyalists need a lesson in democracy, I would hope they are actually honorable Americans before they are Bush loyalists, then they have no moral choice but to turn on their handlers for their constant transgressions of our Constitution.
Yeah, right, like that’s ever gonna happen…
If they were men and women of honor, they would not just kowtow to Bush’s and Rove’s commands.
Check this out:
http://haussamen.blogspot.com/…..ed-to.html
TeddySanFran @ 85
Gregory’s ass is sore from trips to the woodshed over grilling Tony Snowhole. he’s gota make nice.
-GSD
Fairfax,
I am so not one of the site’s legal lights – but believe it is a crime to provide false information to Congress and it looks like Mr. Sampson did just that – someone will correct me if I’m wrong . . .
Thanks, GSD and moi! I really wasn’t in the mood to go rifling around my (sadly disorganized) files of newspaper articles. The article I was thinking of was WaPo, though.
This raises the question — why am I keeping articles if my filing system (ha!) is such that I don’t wanna go look for them?
:-(
Eureka Springs, AR @ 88
Wasn’t that when he was moonlighting as Hurricane Tsar?
Mauimom @ 83
Yeah, me too! Bitch. These guys are ALL getting on my nerves. 3 minutes to KO…I’ll calm down then…
Jay Carney refers to Rover, AbuG & Harriet as “this web of Texans.”
Countdown is only moments away…GO KEITH
RagingGurrrl has been getting away with THAT WORD all day!!
Keith speaks of “the sillhouette of Turdblossom” in the background.
bwahahahaha!!!
Rove used the Clinton did it too. He said Clinton also fired all 93 USA.s Which is correct. But not at the beginning of his second term. Only at the start of his FIRST term.
RagingGurrl @
95
There’s always March Madness, you’ll have six months of baseball (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz) to listen to KO!
TeddySanFran @ 85
Blankley was Newt Gingrich’s press director. Nuff said?
Keith has new eyeglasses.
I liked the old ones better. Oh well.
Doesn’t make me love Keith any less, though. Guess he went to the optometrist over his vacation week.
the best part, Congress will now be crawling all over DOJ – you know, NSA, torture, rendition, NSL excesses, packing the Civil Rights Div, ad friggin’ nauseum kinda like the firing of these folks was a “third rate burglary” :)
Can’t remember what it was like to watch the news before being able to do the running commentary on FDL. Don’t think I could ever go back.
I’m not fond of any of these “new” style eyeglass frames which harken back to the late fifties and early sisties.
Very few people looked stylish back then, by my lights. Jackie Kennedy was the exception proving the rule.
JMO. And not an earth-shaking topic.
I’m sorry Teddy :-(
It keeps slipping out…
Hey – look at Keith Olbermann’s new glasses!
RevDeb @ 105
True, that!
It’s like having y’all in my living room watching with me.
Anybody want a snack?
Mrs. K8 @ 106
I agree with you about the glasses. yuk.
RagingGurrl @ 107
Hey! That’s what I said further upstream!
:-)
cbl @ 92
But, from what I understand, Congress rarely prosecutes anyone on this issue. Could it be that we’re looking at a more serious Federal-level crime that requires a special prosecutor and Sampson is sliming out ahead of the pack?
I’m late! It’s after Beer O’clock!
I’ll tune in tomorrow for the next scandal.
Agreed RevDeb.
It’s interesting how in this matter of attorney-purging, like an onion, the layers are being peeled away to reveal what most of us have thought all along – by the pungent, eye-watering aroma, we knew it must be Rove.
Late to the thread but this comment had me scratching my head:
“As Josh Marshall pointed out, it was this newly-acquired ability to hire and fire US Attorneys at will that enabled the purges to be dreamed up in the first place. Without this ability, the purges would not have been possible.”
What has me wondering is the seeming acceptance of the sequence of events. Is it too much to imagine that the purges were dreamed up and *then* somehow (nod, nod, wink, wink) the appropriate itty bits made their way into the Patriot Act?
Alicia @ 114
This is like a metaphorical STRIPTEASE of sheer ugliness.
Mrs. K8 @ 110
You type faster than me :-)
I like his older glasses better – these new frames overwhelm his face, no?
What are you eating?
Keith puts an apple in Rove’s mouth and fires up the barbeque pit.
Keith is doing an EXCELLENT expose about what the issue really is about. None of the other newscasters either get it or want to tell it.
Valley Girl @ 115
No.
Another in the series of “simple answers to simple questions.”
;-)
Mrs. K8 @ 116
Does anyone really peel an onion beyond taking the skin off?
I love it when they say that Clinton did it, so it’s OK, because first of all, they hate Clinton. And second of all, when he did it, they hated it. But the best reason of all is because it really means nothing.
As in, Clinton had the same intelligence in Iraq that Bush had – as if that somehow makes it correct.
How about we impeach Bush, then we can say Clinton did that too.
Alicia @
114
Isn’t that the truth!
Valley Girl @ 115
Amen, VG, amen. Is it called a criminal conspiracy, treason, or just a cabal? *s*
I often wonder how long it took the GOP to write the original Patriot Act. A couple of years, before 911? This week they rounded up hundreds of women who were here illegally and flew them somewhere. I’m wondering how long it will be before they come for me?
Oh goody, half-time of 3 games so I can watck KO for 10 minutes!
You type faster than me :-)
I like his older glasses better – these new frames overwhelm his face, no?
What are you eating?
Well, hurry it up! ;-)
I think it’s more that they OBSCURE his (cute) face.
I’m munching on cubes of Swiss cheese. But we have cheddar, too, and hard salami.
{I eat a modified atkins type of diet — no sweets in the house. If you want cookies or cake, bring your own!)
Have a seat! And the pool’s out back for after Countdown, if you like.
waving to Mrs. K8 -
just took a batch of homemade peanut butter w/ peanut butter cup cookies out of oven – milk anyone ?
am so geeked up on this story – look at just one of the places it has led me -
Keeping You Safe
just scroll down to the color portions
found scads of these
but, but, I thought Abu said they were understaffed and didn’t have enough time to go over every little thing !
Georgesimian @ 122
LOL!!! Yes!!! I like the way you think.
Oh, good, the author of Bush’s Brain is going to be on Countdown shortly. He “wrote the book” on Rove.
Mrs. K8 @ 93
ahhh, I can relate to that :)
Hillary speaks code for permanent bases in Iraq.
buh bye HRC.
going…going….gonzo
yellowsnapdragon @ 4
Yup. Down goes Gonzo!
hey, cbl, good to see you!
No cookies for me, thanks, just pass the plate ’round — though they do smell heavenly. They’re a great antidote for the smell of Rove.
How’s work?
no kiddin’ neuro – I am lovin’ this fellow texan !
RagingGurrl @ 74
Well, he’s right. It’s Abu that has the problem.
Mrs. K8 @ 127
I agree – he does have a cute face. Pass the swiss cheese.
:-)
cbl @ 92
And comeone will confirm when you’re right! It’s called contempt of Congress and it’s a crime.
Here’s a simple two-word answer to anyone who asks, what the hell is this confusing prosecutor mess about?
Answer: Subverting Justice
Georgesimian @ 122
Ironically, the other bar wingers used to measure Bush by was Saddam. “Well, Saddam didn’t give anyone a chance to stop at a checkpoint, he just had’em killed outright.” So of course I’m supposed to conclude that Bush is wonderful because he’s not Saddam?
I’m an American. I expect way more than “not Saddam.”
waaaaay OT:
(Valley Girl! been waiting for you to show up – found out this a.m. that punaise jr. got accepted to UC Santa Cruz…)
RagingGurrl,
Glad to see you here again. Also glad to see that the NY Roots group is gearing up agian. So much to do. So little time.
Wayne Slater is the author of Bush’s Brain
punaise @ 142
The Banana Slugs?
am i the only one that thinks that because of the immense msm coverage of usattorneygate
that tomorrow’s hearings is gonna get HUGE coverage.
well, except for maybe fox.
punaise @
54
Special prosecco? That’s a sweet whine.
Mrs. K8, work’s okay , you know I have one of those jobs I can leave at the office – jus so’s I can splash around in the lake
just now KO -
a recent study shows Bush USA’s investigated 7 times more Dems than Repubs.
punaise @ 142
hey Punaise! I am not commenting much this eve. bec. I got other things to do er… lectures.. but THAT is great news.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 132
Thing is, we’re either there or we’re not.
It would be one thing if anyone wanted us there. But they don’t. And to try and keep “just enough” there to keep the bases open is folly — they’ll be overrun quicker than you can say “Doug Feith”.
Margot @ 141
I actually think they’re just gonna start saying “well, Saddam did it TOO!”
Wouldn’t surprise me in the least, the scum.
punaise @ 142
Banana Slugs!
Valley Girl @ 115
Yes, and they were thinking to replace *all 93* of them. What did they have in mind? It’s like looking over a very steep cliff.
Bush’s Brain guy, Wayne Slater, connects the dots on the ARK. appointment. Rove wanted the lackey there to dig the dirt on Hillary.
cbl @ 148
Ha! Bush’s Brain author calls the Rove operation “a political machine.”
Anybody who hears that has to think of Daley in Chicago — or if they know their history, Tammany Hall.
PW – Yes, except for Kurdistan.
raven @ 126
This is why TiVos were invented.
And PS – KO repeats in three hours.
The opening 10 minutes were really good. Fineman actually had some intelligent stuff to say.
I would, however, really like it if KO and others would talk more to bright-line the difference between “serving at the pleasure of the President”/ replacing all USAs when you initially come into office vs. vindictively [and feloniously(?)] attempting to manipulate the justice system by . . . wait for it . . . “micromanaging” the cases USAs file.
We need more “talks” about the independence of the judiciary, and what’s proper and what’s not.
Mrs. K8 @ 151
And that’s the big fat irony with Abu Ghraib and the ‘rape rooms’. Remember when Bush proclaimed that the ‘rape rooms’ were shut down? No, they weren’t — they just changed hands. Meanwhile, rapes on the street of Iraqi women have skyrocketed because there’s no strong central government around to punish the rapists.
OK kitty lovers, KO has a nice clip of a reporter getting clawed in the mug!
Keith suggests and Slater affirms that it is no coincidence Republican opposition research hack Tim Griffen is sent to be USA in Little Rock at the same time Hillary Clinton is starting up her campaign for president.
Sounds like it could be Whitewater all over again…or will USAgate make that undoable for the Repugs?
RevDeb @ 143
Thank you – It’s great to visit again – I’ve been busy, getting married, working on a screenplay (just finished first draft), and stuff.
NY Roots – it’s like we never left, we all seem to be jumping back in.
:-)
Margot @ 141
That’s Bush’s logic with Bin Laden too. Bin Laden says that he’s going to create an Islamic kingdom from Spain to India, so we base our foreign policy on the idea that he could actually do something like that.
Morris Sheppard @ 147
petillant to toast the downfall of the petulants.
I believe Mary4 clarified a good point.
Serve at the LEGAL pleasure of the president.
RagingGurrl @ 161
CONGRATS!! Are you bringing spouse to YKos in Chicago?
Mauimom @ 157
Yea, my problem is that I run the poor man’s tivo, VHS. With my picture in picture I’m watching multiple games but it is a good idea to tape it later tonight!
And that’s the big fat irony with Abu Ghraib and the ‘rape rooms’. Remember when Bush proclaimed that the ‘rape rooms’ were shut down? No, they weren’t — they just changed hands. Meanwhile, rapes on the street of Iraqi women have skyrocketed because there’s no strong central government around to punish the rapists.
Keeping the rape rooms open was just an Iraqi jobs program, no?
And they’re still so busy in Baghdad studying how OUR Justice Department operates, I’ll bet. Maybe they’ll pick their prosecutors the way WE do?
More of our trademarked “freedom.”
Gad, I’ve never been so cynical before. I blame Boooosh.
VG – yeppers! have been blathering on in the threads for days now that the current UTAH USA; Toleman, was the “unauthorized staffer” who slid the language in to the rev. Patriot Act
now, Kyle Sampson wanted Utah job, WH wanted him to have it, but Hatch & Specter wanted Toleman to have it.
can you say quid pro quo ??!!??! and both of ‘em playing the – who us ?!?! game
suspect Sen. Shumer has figured this out by now, boy I bet the cloakroom is a riot
aahaaahaaa – KO guest saying what ol cbl said 2 weeks ago, that placing Oppo Research boy as USA in Ark. (pivotal 08 state) reeked to high heaven !
go, slugs!
Was it my imagination, or did Keith just devote the full first 25 minutes of Countdown exclusively to the USA scandal?
firing an attorney to stop an investigation is obstruction of justice.
Be careful there Bush!
1,455 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen punaise:
Congrats to you and yours on the admission to Santa Cruz…I’m a UCI undergrad alum and I remember when a cheap treat was a 3 day weekend to “friends” at UC Santa Cruz. It’s a great school and a safe place ta be young and talented.
KEEP THE FAITH, WE DO IT FOR THE KIDS!!
neurophius @ 170
Bless him.
Catwalk catastrophes!
I am recording Keith on VHS [on the “upstairs teevee”] as we “speak.” Watching NCAA downstairs.
One advantage [TiVo has this too]: you can savor KO.
neurophius @ 170
Nope.
Your clock’s working fine, too.
I heart Keith.
I don’t suppose Specter would be subpoena-able about this? “Senator, why did you do this? Who wrote that clause? Was it someone from outside your office? What were you promised in return?”
rwcole @ 171
Too late.
punaise @ 163
Heh. But why not Brut for the brutes? Go for the full bubbly.
Mrs. K8 @ 103
That’ll teach me to be a raging fanboy, having gotten spectacles just like KO’s previous pair….
RevDeb @ 165
TY! He might go -
cbl @ 168
oh! DING! DING! DING!
Cafferty salivating over the prospect of Leahy questioning Rover:
at C&L
Molly, NYC @ 177
I almost think that’s something that Harry Reid should have Waxman hold over Specter’s head: “Vote with us when it counts or you get to go under oath next door.” Not so crudely, of course. And it’s probably illegal – but when has that ever stopped Republicans from making similar threats?
Peterr @ 152
Yeah Punaise Jr! Go slugs!
(Cowell College/Parrington Dorm/Great Views…just sayin’)
TeddySanFran @ 180
Well, then you’ll be looking MORE handsome and stylish in MY eyes. [Which is what I’m sure you were aiming for, eh? ;-) ]
Keith loses on this count.
RagingGurrl,
Cool. Look forward to meeting him and seeing you again!
Chris Cilizza shilling for “Straight Talk” McCain. Back to the maverick meme. Just when you think they have learned a few things, they relapse.
punaise @ 169
We unshelled mollusks object to derogatory use of our names as team mascots. Why can’t they use some Native American reference like everybody else?
CCillizza proves, on KO, that all it takes for a politician to put on a “new-old skin” and become a maverick again, like John Old McCain, is there be credible journamalizts inside the Beltway.
Is maverick something one buys at the GAP these days?
Hey, Raging!
Best wishes on the matrimonial union with your sweetie!
And the screenplay, good for you!
BTW, do you know from doing this yet if the classroom maxim (on screenplays) holds true — a minute per page?
I remember thinking, jeez, a minute per page, 120 pages for a two-hour movie. That must be the most profitable-per-page form of writing there is (providing it gets optioned, of course).
Have yet to put my mad classroom skilz to use yet, though.
Hmmm. Wonder if I should write a screenplay about pups frolicking around a lake? Hmmmm.
RevDeb @ 187
It will be great to see you again, too!
TeddySanFran @ 190
Maverick? Wasn’t that TV show cancelled like, decades ago? No wonder McCain looks so old.
RevDeb @ 188
I damned near broke a blood vessel this afternoon listening to NPR’s he-said-she-said treatment of PurgeGate. They quoted Jon Kyl (R-Arizona) spewing the “but Clinton did it too” line and didn’t bother to correct him, even though they KNOW that it’s a lie.
neurophius @ 194
Careful, I liked Bret a lot. Jim Garner never looked better. Can’t put him and McCain in the same brain at the same time.
I must have been hearing things…I could swear KO said Fitz worst person in the world…
raven @ 121
I’ve done it for the purpose of presentation with a dish here and there. But that was in my long-ago housewife days when I was so bored that I started playing with food, for something to do.
Phoenix Woman @
150
And the democrats should fund an election in Iraq to decide if they want us there or not. That would be a lot more clear and cost us a lot less in life and money.
Some KO trivia ; )
http://www.philly.com/mld/inqu…..ertainment
Maybe he said Smith & I heard Fitz. Has to be.
Phoenix Woman @ 195
NPR is now run by the wingers that W appointed to the CPB. DO NOT FORGET THAT!!!!
I’m so tired of having to explain to my parishioners why they can’t trust their NPR and PBS news any more. Don’t know how long it will take to turn that one around.
I agree. While Bill Clinton played by the “rules of law” and tradition involving U.S. Attorneys, the Bush administration resorted to trickery and deceit to replace U.S. Attorneys who wouldn’t resort to trickery and deceit in pursuit of the fanatically partisan Bush White House agenda.
As part of this trickery and deceit campaign (which has to have originated in Karl Rove’s office and the White House counselor’s office) 1) the selection and confirmation process involving U.S. Attorneys was changed in the dead of night through the surreptitious insertion into the Patriot Act reauthorization bill of a “stealth” provision to cut the U.S. Congress and U.S. Senators out of the confirmation loop, and 2) once the Bush administration could can U.S. Attorneys and select their replacements without any pesky interference from Congress or U.S. homestate Senators, they smeared (”swift-boated”) the reputations of the canned U.S. Attorneys to try to justify their removal.
Hmmmm, I don’t seem to recollect President Bill Clinton pulling a similar stunt, especially of this magnitude or with the same level of sneakiness and deceit, especially regarding U.S. Attorneys.
The “culture of corruption” Republicans in the White House are a bunch of liars and Karl Rove is the biggest scumbag “Turd Blossom” of them all, with his pigs-hooves prints all over the “swift-boating” of the fired U.S. Attorneys in an attempt to cover-up the real reason behind their being fired, that is, they were actually doing their constitutionally-mandated and constitutional-honoring jobs. (And we all know by now how much the top officials in the Bush administration…and especially Karl Rove…really, really hate our Constitution, don’t we?)
He was talking about the Patrick Fitzgerald blog. That travesty thingee.
cbl @ 168
Is Tollman still working for Specktor?
Revdeb: NPR tries to be balanced by sticking up for Bush and then giving the Dems a spotted owl story.
neurophius @ 194
It’s a great surf spot not all that far from Santa Cruz. Mavericks
OK, so when did it start becoming cool to pronounce the word “HOE-mi-cide” — instead of the time-honored standard “hah-mi-cide”?
I hate it when journalists start doing “cool new” pronunciations of things.
Hope that isn’t something Keith thinks he needs, like his new eyeglasses. Hmmm. I just read that his live-in girlfriend is 23 years old.
Oh no! Male menopause!
Congratulations to Famille Punaise !
getting in to any UC school is no mean feat
and just remember dahlin’ everytime you write those checks and the stomach acid runs . . .Malkin vows never to go back !
I’ve done it for the purpose of presentation with a dish here and there. But that was in my long-ago housewife days when I was so bored that I started playing with food, for something to do.
I cook every day and I peel the skin off and chop!
Eureka Springs, AR @ 132
yup.
LJ at #198 –
Please tell me you didn’t hold Tupperware parties!
;-)
Olbermann just mentioned something on Patrick Fitzgerald’s blog, and then noted that Fitzgerald doesn’t have a blog. Would have been clearer if he’d said, “but there is a parody blog” or something to that effect.
Elliot – nope, Mr. Toleman is now USA for Utah
Mrs. K8 @ 192
You are correct – It is a general rule, though. A single line of stage direction or a single page of dialog could take minutes, for example.
Pups frolicking and saving the planet! Good vs. Evil. David Pups vs. Goliath MSM. Oh yes.
Mrs. K8: BTW, do you know from doing this yet if the classroom maxim (on screenplays) holds true — a minute per page?
for feature film, yup, one page = one minute screen time. unless you’re talking old timey screwball comedies, then you can get a 150 page sript for a 95 minute movie. billy wilder scripts in particular are a hoot to read.
Today was a major turning point. For the first time in six-seven years my boss had something bad to say about this administration. The funny part was that he couldn’t bring himself to mention bush by name but to blame it on the “government”. It may not seem like much but it was sweetness to me.
Duke whining as usual!
Keith Olbermann is calling my name….
And for the record, I like his glasses. More serious, as he gets into serious political stuff and less celebrity crap on his show.
cbl @ 214
Thanks!
cbl 2 209 – merci! … (the regents just voted a 7% tuition hike yesterday.)
raven @ 207
oh, yeah.
So glad to see Hunter front paged regularly on Kos lately. A gem up now. Here’s the closing:
I think its important to not let the resignation of Abu and the “ouster” of Rove be the end points of this.
Shit has happened and everyone needs to know what that shit was. All of it. So everyone understands how thoroughly the corruption percolated up and why the firings made peoples antenna quiver.
ccmask @ 197
no, no, ’twas the BBC for believing commentary at Fitzmas blog was Fitz’s
rosalind @ 217
for feature film, yup, one page = one minute screen time. unless you’re talking old timey screwball comedies, then you can get a 150 page sript for a 95 minute movie. billy wilder scripts in particular are a hoot to read.
Ah yes! I wonder how long the glorious script for “His Girl Friday” was. I remember reading how the director kept saying to Grant and Russell, “ok, that was terrific…now do it even FASTER!!!”
That’s one movie where if you take the time to laugh out loud, you miss another whole page and a half of dialog.
Hatchlings all over Specter and Rove… imagine that.
Tolman is to dirty to serve as Utahs USA. How can that be repaired?
My gop coworker is an ass. When I mentioned the USAs story, he said he still couldn’t believe the Dem who had $90,000 in his frig. And, a Dem coworker today told the whole story about the Anna Nicole judge and when I asked her what she thought about Walton, she had no idea who Libby was. sigh
I have a GREAT law congress can pass;
“this law is hereby written to reaffirm the FACT as has long stood written into our constitution;
that this is a government of law and that there is no person, be they administration or surrogate, who can in any fashion change the meaning or the intention of congress when they passed such law
that any signing statement is not a definition in any fashion and cannot be construed as a definition of said law
and if any signing statement contradicts or gives authority where the law does not, said signing statement is to be (as the constitution intended) considered a nothing, there only as comment and nothing more by said signer, but not in any fashion to change, alter, define or clarify said law”
I think I have it all covered, even habeas corpus, as it the law is only a definition and not new finding
let’s see the president try to veto that one, that would be tons of fun
Turdblossom & Banana Slugs! Salt? Got that.
Oh….thanks tsf
punaise @ 143
Duuuuuuude. Like, whoa. Duuuuuuude!
*ilbo @ 229
it’s a slime dunk!
talk about off topic, I have a question
when wheel’s movie is cast do we at least get a casting call to play ourselves?
I can play a MEAN me
Raging –
Glad you like the Firepup script idea, and as you are now an experienced script-writer, I may need to turn to you as a “consultant” — boy, isn’t that a fun dream?!? We’d have a blast! Think of all the fun “research” we could do!!!
perris @ 235
Topic, there’s a topic?
Scarborough accuses White House spokesman Dan Bartlett of an “outright lie” in Bartlett’s attempt to spin USAgate.
perris @ 234
We know who could produce it :-)
Kudos for punaise jr!!!
ccmask @ 228
Tell your co-worker, “gee, I still can’t believe the missing $8 billion in shrink-wrapped bricks in Iraq. That’s a whole football-field filled with refrigerator’s worth.”
RevDeb @ 222
Oh Joy!
Jacqrat @ 232
{waggles first and fourth fingers}
‘ere
Jacqrat @ 231
…like, gnarly….
punaise @ 232
Oooozze!
perris @ 234
LOL!!!
Method acting?
TeddySanFran @ 241
paging Dr. Bong.
punaise,
we no more sent off the first tuition/dorm checks four years ago, and the good folks at UC System sent us a note apprising us of an immediate 26% increase!
Brendan
punaise –
Sorry I’m late catching on here, but congrats to you on the new bragging rights for punaise junior!! Or is that Punaise the Second?
RevDeb @ 222
After his performance on the carpet the other day, I’m looking forward to watching him cry.
LOL!!!
Method acting?
The Method Actors, my friend Vic’s band from Athens!
MA
Pat Buchanan says the Bushistas “lied about a crime they didn’t commit.”
neurophius @ 252
Good grief. That lack of oxygen that comes from cranio-rectal inversion is really showing its effects.
The other day he said something like, “well, it would have been nice if they’d been forthright with Congress” — and I yelled back, “Lying to Congress is a fucking FELONY, you idiot!”
Sooner or later, that guy is bad for my blood pressure.
Mrs. K8 @ 235
Dream? Well – start with a short story or short screenplay! It’s do-able :-)
None of the three talking airheads on Scarborough are bringing up the little matter of using the clause in the Patriot Act re. no need for senate confirmation :-(
You haven’t been bored enough yet. Trust me. ;)
Mrs. K8 @ 213
Oh good grief! NEVER! ROFL!
Became hopelessly addicted to soaps, though. Did y’all know that there was a Kyle Sampson on Guiding Light? Imagine my disappointment when I saw what the current one looks like in comparison to what I saw in my head when I first read that name in the real world news!
neurophius @ 252
HA!
>
You haven’t been bored enough yet. Trust me. ;)
Bored, ha. I’m so damn glad to be alive there ain’t no boredom up in here!
LJ/Aquaria said:
“Became hopelessly addicted to soaps, though. Did y’all know that there was a Kyle Sampson on Guiding Light? Imagine my disappointment when I saw what the current one looks like in comparison to what I saw in my head when I first read that name in the real world news!”
The current one looks like a Karl Rove clone.
neurophius @ 261
The only soap here is Grey’s Anatomy!
cbl – 26% – ouch!
Mrs. K8 @ 248
thanks! punaise jr.*, brother of punaisette.
*not actually a junior. so sue me… :~)
LJ/Aquaria @ 256
I went to your links and saw what I guess THIS K.S. wishes he looked like in his own narcissistic fantasies (and let’s face it, the whole admin is composed of narcissists).
What made me laugh was the “list of crimes” on the soap character’s resume — it turns out that even fictional Kyle Sampsons are guilty of illegal business dealings (and in the OIL industry, lol!!) and blackmail.
Sounds like an unethical name to have even in the fantasy world of soaps. [Apologies in advance to any Kyle Sampsons out there who are actually decent innocent citizens.]
Is young master punaise planning a career in the legal profession?
We would all expect some colorful closing arguments, filled with multiple entendres and humorous word plays.
My eldest son is a lawyer, just a year removed from KU law school. He says the first year is a real bear, but then it gets easier as you go.
Its a long ride, but the pot of gold at the end of that rainbow can be very rewarding, in terms of self esteem and future income. And certainly an abiding respect from IANALs like me.
Raging –
Careful, you may be encouraging the unleashing of a monster, lol.
(But keep it up, keep it up!!!)
neurophius @ 259
Yes he does!
Amazing how that works. Pasty, porcine, doughy pantload…YOUR GOP!!!
neurophius @ 259
Exactly! UGH! Now my memories are tainted!
punaise –
“Punaisette” — what a CUTE name.
And now I have the melody to “Bluesette” going through my head, but the lyrics sound like “Poor little, sad little Punaisette, don’t you cry, don’t you fret” instead of the original.
Thanks for that! ;-)
Oy, barf.
Just looked up and saw a commercial on teevee for “Fidelity Investments” using, get this, –
Iron Butterfly’s Innagattadavida, or however the hell they spelled it. [There’s an apocryphal tale that it was originally “In the Garden of Eden,” but the singer was high as a kite for the first take, and the slurred name “took.” ]
Jeesh. I give up. Theodore Roszak in “The Making of the Counterculture” predicted way back when (1967?) that the counterculture would end up being packaged and sold on Wall Street.
But this is ridiculous.
Mrs. K8 @ 262
As I noted to my buddy Thers at his place, the difference was that the GL KS usually succeeded in his nefarious schemes, without serious repercussions, and these GOP clunkers are so inept that they can’t manage that. I mean, the GL KS became a hero for a while, and got a huge romance with the big star, who happened to be the older sister of the ex-hooker he blackmailed. Of course, the big star was also the ex-wife of the owner of the company he stole. And the ex-wife of that man’s father. DON’T ASK!
I think something’s wrong with me for remembering idiotic crap like this, twenty years after it aired!
JEP @
262
fortunately for them, the pun gene is not hereditary. although grounded in social justice issues, he’s not the legal type. his sis wants to be an attorney.
Keith really likes me? ;)
http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com
cbl @ 21
GET OUT!!! Already??? He’s not even off the payroll and he’s rolling over and squealing???
There is something HUGE under all of this and he knows it!! NO IMMUNITY – NOT UNTIL WE HAVE HIM AND THEM RIGHT WHERE WE WANT THEM!!
You just made my night, cbl, hadn’t gone to TPM yet.
cbl @ 214
Mr. Tolman was only recently named USA for UT.
What happened to the previous USA?
Mrs. K8 @
266
ding!
Today on the Ed Schultz show, I heard a caller take the “Clinton did it worse!” claim to the ultimate absurdity: Clinton fired all the prosecutors to provide cover for getting rid of the one prosecutor who was investigating Webb Hubbell. The question is not what color the sky is in that rightwing dude’s world, but whether it has an atmosphere at all.
VCU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Duke Duke bites the big one!
Y’all are invited to join us on the new thread.
neurophius @ 236
It’s nice to see someone having the courage to use the word “lie” again rather than those lame replacement words like “misspoke”.
rwcole @
171
Oh man, you took the words right out of my mouth. Pooh.
MEC @ 273
Oh, Buddha on a swizzle stick, these guys are nuts.
ragz @
217
Realization comes quickly to some, slowly to others.
Another test of their humanity is whether they’re recidivists and return to the Darkness.
Mrs. K8 @ 268
i saw that – 1st reaction i was stunned just to hear it – then almost fell off the couch laughing. then i danced around the livingroom during the rest of the spot. now it’s replaying in my head over & over ;)
punaise @ 260
punaise fils?