
Talk about your blasts from the past. The Carpetbagger Report alerts us to the fact that Iraqi scientist and intelligence source "Curveball", one of the coterie of singing stooges recruited by Ahmed Chalabi to fool the US into invading Iraq has surfaced in Germany. Isn't it nice to hear from old friends?
"Curveball", as you may recall, provided United States Intelligence operatives with crucial (i.e., "completley false") information regarding Saddam Hussein's mobile weapons labs, his stockpiles of nukes, and imminent plans to attack the US, and also provided the backbone of Colin Powell's now-discredited presentation to the UN.
Oh, yeah. That guy.
I mention this, of course, because ABC News has tracked down “Curveball,” the Iraqi defector who told U.S. officials bogus stories about Saddam Hussein’s non-existent arsenal, including WMD, “mobile biological weapons labs,” aluminum tubes, etc. Curveball’s claims were the centerpiece of Colin Powell’s presentation to the United Nations, the crux of which has since been exposed as false. In this new ABC report, the network turns its attention back to Drumheller.
“People died because of this,” said Tyler Drumheller, the former chief of European operations at the CIA, who has written about it in a new book, “On the Brink.” “All off this one little guy who all he wanted to do was stay in Germany.” Drumheller says he personally redacted all references to Curveball material in an advance draft of the Powell speech.
“We said, ‘This is from Curveball. Don’t use this,’” Drumheller says…. Drumheller also says he met personally with the then-deputy director of the CIA, John McLaughlin, to raise questions about the reliability of Curveball, well before the Powell speech.
“And John said, ‘Oh my, I hope not. You know this is all we have,’ and I said, ‘This can’t be all we have.’ I said, ‘There must be another, there must be something else.’ And he said, ‘No, this is really the only tangible thing we have.’”
In other words, even though this source was thoroughly discredited and his testimony proven to be suspicious at best, the administration, lacking any other justification for hostilities against Iraq, used the bogus intel anyway. "This is all we have"?! Didn't anybody think that might have been a great reason to sit back and think for a moment before we launched a war? I mean, how hard is it to say, "Huh. Well, the only source we have that indicates that Saddam has an active nuclear weapons program has been proven to be an unreliable fraud. Maybe an invasion can wait until we know a little more."?
But nooooooooo. They sent Colin Powell right up there in front of God, the United Nations, and everybody to present a speech that they knew was patently false.
And Colin Powell was the alleged "conscience" of this administration?! HUH?!
Dude, a bunch of dogs playing poker could have planned and executed this war better than the Bush administration. This has just been one cascading set of errors after another, all built on lies and the Bush Dynasty's family vendetta against Saddam Hussein and a deep and abiding lust for all that sweet, sweet, black, luscious Iraqi oil. Mmmmmm, ooiiiiilllll.
I remember when the few of us who dared to stand up against the war in 2003 kept saying, "No blood for oil!" and all the Wingnuts spat back in our faces, "You stupid liberals don't know what you're talking about! This is not about the oil! It's about 9/11 and the safety of Americans both here and abroad! It's about standing up to the terrorists! You're just a treasonous little traitor, aren't you? You want more 9/11's! You may as well have killed those heroic men and women of the New York City police and fire departments yourself!"
Goddammit. I think the most frustrating thing about the last six or so years is that the people we've been up against have been so motherfucking stupid. You've got your Michael Ledeens and your O'Bierne clan, and your Michelle ("Cavewoman") Malkins and Hugh Hewitts, well…if brains were TNT, the NeoCon cabal wouldn't be able to assemble enough between them to blow their nose, let alone win any kind of Decisive Ideological Conflict of Our Time.
Please tell me it's going to end soon.
Admittedly, this isn’t entirely new, but once in a while, I’ll still hear someone claim that there were “intelligence failures,” which led the White House to get the entire basis for the war wrong. What this explanation neglects to mention is that these “failures” were practically intentional. Officials had a source, they were told the source was unreliable, but they believed what they wanted to believe.
As Kevin Drum summarized, “They knew Saddam didn’t have a nuclear program. They knew he didn’t have mobile bio labs. They knew he didn’t have drones. They knew.”
History will not be kind.
No, it most certainly will not. But frankly, I'd like to see some of that hard, cold, unforgiving assessment of our current situation brought to bear on the Bush administration now, right NOW.
Fortunately, I'm not holding my breath.
COULTER UPDATE: Nine papers have dumped her column now. Keep those cards and letters coming, kids!!
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TRex !!
t’s in the house!
Update on Steve Gilliard here.
Light a virtual candle here.
TRex!
Jane!
Steve Gilliard!
Not only did they knew it was bogus information, but — if they’d effing paid attention to the Clinton-commissioned Desert Crossing wargame exercise, instead of suppressing the results for six years, they’d have known that they couldn’t have won in Iraq even with three times the troops they used to invade.
They didn’t just lie to us, they lied to themselves. But they’re so filthy rich they were able to insulate themselves from the consequences of their immature stupidity.
That is, until now.
Evening, TRex. 9 is a very good beginning to the end of the Coultergeist.
***!!!Rawrrr!!!***
***!Chomp!*!Chomp!*!Chomp!***
I deed no cough that up.
I would remember eet eef I had.
so.
Bye bue Ann Coulter – it was truly awful knowing ya.
!El Gato Negro! @
7
No, no, his name is “Curveball”, not “Hairball”.
When I was really small, I was on a bus from Pittsburgh to Albany. The wheels did come off the bus. It was a big adventure. I waited and waited with my mom.
Then a new bus came.
I think it’s time for the new bus.
Actually, TRex, dogs are a lot better poker players than cats, and cats could beat these guys. Neocons with TNT for brains? I wish!
Kinda OT and kinda on-topic -
from the Islamic nation that already has nukes.
Who controls Pakistan’s nukes when Musharraf falls?
Frustrating only begins to describe it. It kind of reminds me of that 1988 SNL debate skit between Dukakis and Bush I, where Bush gives a non-sequitur filled “1000 points of light” answer to a question, and the moderator asks Dukakis for his response: “I can’t believe I’m losing to this guy.”
Nothing but lying asses. They have no shame.
Speaking of working the refs — did anyone else hear David Gergen say on AC360 tonight that he got lots and lots of emails about his comment that the Bush Administration’s six years have been scandal-free?
He amended his comment and said that Scooter’s felony convictions were the first tangible evidence that there were penalties for scandal in the Bush Administration. Or something. But he acknowledged hearing from us! Do ya think we burned up the Kennedy School servers with our blistery emails?
Hey TRex.
Thanks a heap. Thot I was gonna sleep tonite till I read yer revelations here.
Seriously, what hasn’t the administration messed up? That’d be a much shorter, easier list.
And for comic relief from Iraq, we have Gonzo & some apologist tonight explaining that that lil’ judicial kerfuffle was, according to the latter, simply a problem resulting from the fact that they “didn’t have their ducks all in a row” before going to Congress with their, um,
storieslies.Didn’t their mommies ever tell ‘em it’s so-o-o much easier if they just tell the truth?
Fire/Impeach/Convict the lot, not necessarily in that order! ENOUGH!
Alison @ 10,
We can only hope and pray that the driver of the next bus has a brain.
Mod blocker warning – apparently you can’t use neocon and brains in the same sentence. If you do, your comment goes into moderation. Nobody noticed before now, because we’d never used those words in the same sentence.
Or maybe it was T*T…
OMG… my daughter just got engaged
Same lies being peddled about Iran by the same group of idiots – how ridiculously stupid do they think people are, these Straussian neo-cons?
Where are the Washington Democrats on this issue?
Caving in, not even able to tack on an amendment to restrict this rogue administration from starting another illegal, immoral war.
And Senator Obama, you have lost the possibility of support from the AIPAC neo-cons for mentioning Palestinian suffering, maybe now you can take the “option” of criminal aggression off the table in future speeches?
Suzanne @ 18
Congratulations!
Great Post. I would love to see a post that ties the lies of the 1st Gulf War to the lies of this Iraq war. (The fake Babies in incubators story, false satellite pictures given to Saudi Arabia, the false testimony to congress by the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador, etc.)
OOPS! Comment @ 17 is from woodguy. And I was complaining about a lack of brains. DOY!
Suzanne @ 18
*ding*
Suzanne @
19
Do you like him? I’m standing here making stew with Stu, my daughter’s BF. I like him.
First tangible evidence.
Somehow I like the sound of that. Kinda like the first tap on one of those three mile long domino thingies.
Same lies being peddled about Iran by the same group of idiots – how ridiculously stupid do they think people are, these Straussian neo-cons?
Where are the Washington Democrats on this issue?
Caving in, not even able to tack on an amendment to restrict this rogue administration from starting another illegal, immoral war.
And Senator Obama, you have lost the possibility of support from the AIPAC neo-cons for mentioning Palestinian suffering, maybe now you can take the “option” of criminal aggression off the table in future speeches?
She just called and he proposed during dessert after dinner at her dad’s house. She is going to send me pictures…. doing snoopy dance :)
ok – taking deep breaths – ok, now where were we – oh yeah, cat vomit
Alicia @ 19
and congratulations again – blessings!
Suzanne @ 19
HOORAY!!
sorry, folks, i’m freeing that which gets trapped by the filters, words like p*ker, cas*no, etc tend to get caught. bear with me for a minute and then everyone refresh the page
Lovely, TRex.
In October, 2002 I was one of 100,000 or so who marched in D.C. against the plans and wishes of the bush cabal. It is striking to think back to that day and realize that everything we predicted has come true, that everything we said has turned out to be correct, and that in the small town in Iowa where I live there are people I know who still don’t have a freaking clue. I don’t know whether more blame attaches to the television or the church, but this is a profoundly more stupid country than the one I grew up in. There are signs we’re making headway in this particular battle, but the future looks very bleak.
Suzanne @ 18
My grandson is 10 years old. Your daughter and her fiance will be amazed at how fast that happens.
MarkH, left you a note at the end of the last thread.
ET—or it might be that establishments that offer various games of chance also like to send lots of spam.
Her fiance comes with two daughters, 7 and 9 I think (gosh, I’m gonna have to know that kinda stuff now). Built in grandkids who live in Alaska.
Suzanne @ 37
(gently prodding) you have yet to answer the question of whether you like him…
;-)
Phoenix Woman@5
Do you have a link to that wargame result?
I am outraged, I just got off the phone with my daughter who is leaving the nest next week and I am filled with sorrow and anger in equal measures, that she is leaving and that she has to experience the horrible consequences of these lies. My kids are a driving force in my life, my interest in politics has only to do with what it does to humanity, I care not a whit for the lot of them, to me they are nothing but fools-how else do you explain the mess we are in. It is all disgusting and my natural reaction to this is extreme whitehot anger hence these words written in a setting of people who are as concerned as I.
My best to Steve who I am not familiar with but
I care
And Jane as said in my email you guys are special.. the best to you.
Anyone know anything more about this?
Fitzgerald tells Congress he can’t say much about CIA leak
sorry, yes I like Mike. He is a Coastie, yanno.
TRex @ 30
As did mine..something going on
Suzanne @ 40
there’s 2 steps in the right direction!
she may be moving around a lot if he’s making a career of it…
Suzanne @ 41
I bet tonight he’ll be a toastie coastie…;)
OC, he will have his 20 done in 09 and he plans on retiring then. He is 37 and Jen will be 30 in June.
RBG @
36
And I was sure there as a blocker out there that kept you from making posts with neo-con and brains in the same sentence. should be.
Suzanne @ 44
that sounds like the way to do it… if he’s been in since he was 17, he’s got some pretty good “steady” about him… that takes some patience and some sense…
What will it take to bring this corrupt criminal regime down? It seems like George W. Bush could hold up the severed, bleeding head of John Conyers and the faithful would say, “So? Clinton lied about a BJ!”
How bad does it have to get?
Renee
Thanks for the link to the update on Steve, though I wish the news were better.
Suzanne @
19
felicitations!
Ed*ard Teller @
25
Stew Live Crew
From the link, we have Barry Locher, editor of the Springfield State Journal-Register, who decided to keep the hag:
Virtually more than half said to can her scrawny ass, but that wasn’t good enough for Locher. Oh, and how about that “…nor in the work of…” line? Has Ted Rall been writing hate speech lately? So why imply that anybody except Coulter is under the microscope here?
What a crap peddler Barry Locher is.
Gosh, poor Gilliard. I am sending prayers to him and his family for a full and speedy recovery.
Maddy @ 41
It’s my birthday. Some people call me the Space Cowboy…some call me the gangster of love.
Happy Birthday, Doctor Puma!!!
TRex @ 55
Happy Birthday, gangster of love!
(delurking) wombat, i’m still making comments in the last thread lol!
TRex @ 54
Thanks. Y’know, 39 is a lot like 38.
beaming out best wishes for Mr. Gilliard
Fitzgerald’s response letter to Waxman is posted…pdf. not legible for me…
punaise @ 51
If he makes cake later, you can call him Stu da’ Baker
Yikes, I’m still awake!
Peterr @ 55
Thanks, Preacher. Good post earlier. I told you so there, but you deserve to be told again.
EvilDrPuma @ 54
love those beaches, shake those trees
Just checking out stuff at Down with Tyranny, Howie is a on a tear and had has a great photo part away down the page.
EDP talking about the pompitous of love
Peterr @ 56
Maurice!
bonkers @ 61
ding!
Happy Birthday/Pi Day, EDP
Renee in Ohio @
3
Done, thanks for the reminder and the link to the update.
here is another vomit inducing piece of information from C&L
The Claremont Institute, a rightwing think tank, is awarding their 2007 Sir Winston S. Churchill Statesmanship Award at a gala dinner this November. To Donald Rumsfeld
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..hread-423/
newspaperbrat @ 8
Buenos noches, Don Gato! Lovely as always to see you.
Suzanne @ 67
Thank you 3.1415926535897932384626433832795… times over!
Maybe a bit heavy for late night, but I work all day, and only read at night.
This description seems apt not only for wingnuts, but for a lot of normally sane people who were driven over the edge by 9/11 and the ridiculous media exploitation, and the utter lack of context to enable people to grasp the enormity of the event, and maybe for a host of other reasons. One of the points Hannah Arendt makes in The Origins of Totalitarianism, is that people driven to extremes lose a large part of their normal socialization, and even their consciences, and only do the things that they think are necessary to survive. I have been thinking that may help explain the national mood here, not quite like the hurricane Arendt describes, but maybe like a really heavy windstorm that made a lot of us a little crazy. Michael Moore’s Bowling for Columbine points out that we are steeped in violence about which we cannot do anything, constantly bombarded by images of uncontrollable things trying to hurt us.
This atmosphere reinforced the fears raised by an attack by unseen forces, and may have acted to reduce our sense of security to the point that many of us thought that there was merit in the argument that “the Constitution is not a suicide pact”, and that it was somehow applicable to the situation. I know that there are many people who didn’t lose sight of the Constitution, but maybe that was one of the things that so many of lost track of in the firestorm.
The firestorm was not big enough to last, it wore off, as there were no more attacks, and people are returning to their normal lives, like waking up from a horrible dream. Maybe that explains Jane Hamsher’s broker.
Ed*ard Teller @ 11
Hmmph. Dogs can’t bluff. The cats made me write this.
Um…all hail PaTRex. He has just called me to let me know that his plan to fix me up with Keith Strickland, the guitarist from the B-52’s, has just moved into the next phase. We’re all going out for drinks on Friday night.
Whoo-hooo!
I’ll marry a rock star. No problem!
Suzanne @ 37
I hope this gentleman knows how lucky he is. Congrats!
k.
TRex – shhhh! you’ll jinx it
masaccio @ 73
Until they decide to execute the next “terrorist attack.”
EvilDrPuma @ 54
Happy Birthday, Maurice!
TRex @ 75
Love Shack, baby!
EvilDrPuma @ 62
Thank you, EDP. I wish I could say I had fun writing it, but all in all, I’d rather not have folks like Pace in positions of authority to begin with.
Tin Roof. Rusted.
Ed*ard Teller @
18
Ah, I believe the offending word was p*ker.
bonkers @ 79
Heh.
Indeed.
They’re in town working on their new album and my brother is their drum tech.
Keith Strickland is soooo tall and soooooo handsome.
Suzanne @
19
Cool! You can give her a ladder!
melfeasance @ 40
That HuffPo link doesn’t contain the key paragraph at the end of Fitz’s letter. Fitz reminds Waxman that he’s laid it all out there and points out numerous places to look to pick up the trail.
I think it’s time Mr. Waxman and Mrs. Wheeler had a chat.
TRex @ 83
Does he read FDL?
Peterr @ 56
Happy Birthday, Doctor Gangster and Cowboy of Love!
Peterr @ 80
Well, that’s why it needed writing, isn’t it? This is why real news isn’t a stream of happy pap about freshly-painted schoolhouses.
Funny thing, I always thought Pace was in the closet ever since he’s been in the public eye, and now he’s confirmed it for me with his self-loathing out in the open. Just like the military guy in “American Beauty.” Sad.
woodguy @
23
Hmm, I’m a dendrophile, what kind of wood?
TRex @ 84
I’ll be lighting a Good Vibrations candle for you, big dino.
Alicia @ 85
I doubt it. But, hey, he may start.
Okay, gang. It’s a grocery store night. Gotta go. I should be back around in about an hour.
Sid’s up at salon.com:
Enjoy the Piggly Wiggly, TRex. I still think they must have a cute butcher working the evening shift.
Great post.
And great job taking the lead on Coulter, TRex. Eight papers? That’s amazing.
Alicia @ 87
If he is worthy of our beloved TRex he does, or at least will start.
So does anyone remember when the Democrats and the party faithful had the gumption to go to the polls and vote for Ned Lamont over Joe Lieberman?
Remember how that was the “Pol Pot” wing of the party “purging” someone who didn’t agree with everything the far-left fringe believed.
Now we have an unprecedented gang-firing of USA’s because they were unwilling to put their reputations on the line by pushing bogus prosecutions against political enemies and the good pundits like David Brooks and the rest of the tools in the box think this is just “politics as usual”.
Strange days indeed.
-GSD
Bonkers @ 78
I agree, another attack here might be a real problem, but the Iraq disaster has, I pray, inoculated us against more unprovoked wars. Like Iran.
Jane Hamsher @ 92
9 now, Jane. Coulter Update at the bottom of his post.
Oh yeah, also the partisan Bush/Rove USA plot. Has Concensus Joe Lieberman chimed in about this partisan effort on the Bush team?
I mean Joe Lieberman could have rearranged the chairs for the prosecutors in order to stave off a partisan attack from Rove’s pasty assed messenger boy.
Joe should be tsk-tsking quite heavily at these tactics of Rove. So mean, so, so, partisan.
-GSD
Blumenthal: And it is implausible that Sampson, the latest designated fall guy, was responsible for an elaborate bureaucratic coup d’etat.
Sampson and de lie’ll, uh…
(oh hell, never mind)
Jane Hamsher @ 96
It looks like Trex is doing this gig just to impress tall and handsome rock stars!
Maddy @
42
Spring.
GSD @98 and 101: good points
kirk murphy @ 88
You, and your Pompitious, too
EvilDrPuma @ 57
EvilDrPuma, I hope this was/is a good day for you. All the best.
punaise @ 101
hehe
Did you hear that Brad Delp’s death was determined to be a suicide?
-GSD
Lindy @ 105
Thanks. It was quiet, spent entirely in GoodMrsPuma’s company, and I got some things done that needed to get done. All in all, a pretty fair day.
EvilDrPuma @ 54
Oh yeah, The Joker! Happy Birfday, Evil Dr. And good luck w/the job interview (baffle ‘em with charisma, heh, heh)
Hey all.
Off topic but here’s some Internet fun I discovered earlier this evening. Type this URL into your browser and hit the enter button:
http://www.barackosama2008.org
:)
Attaaack! Attaaaack!
GSD @ 107
What’s a Brad Delp?
EvilDrPuma @ 113
The lead guitarist and singer for Boston. He died earlier this week and his family came out today to report he killed himself with carbon monoxide.
Sad stuff.
-GSD
not from Boston: Juile Delpy
Of course there haven’t been more attacks, the terrorists are geographically challenged so long as we are fighting them “over there”.
GSD @ 112
The lead guitarist and singer for Boston. He died earlier this week and his family came out today to report he killed himself with carbon monoxide.
Sad stuff.
That is sad. Still, I prefer to leave stories like this to family and friends. Hope the media feeding frenzy hasn’t been too intrusive for them.
blogslut @ 112
I followed the links to the NHGOP website. Seems the blue tsunami didn’t wash the NH Congressional GOP’ers off their website….but it did sweep ‘em out of office.
Denial runs deep.
-GSD
it must be spring… met a “girl” who makes me stammer and blush…
I’m too old for this shit
;-)
tbsa @ 116
They lost the directions they used on 9/11 when America attacked Iraq. Weird huh.
-GSD
GSD @ 119
And they can’t googlearth us because, it’s, you know, like, in English.
GSD @ 120
Maybe they’re in Syria along with the WMDs?
Isn’t it about time that the Republican Party be designated a racketeering organization?
They aren’t a political party any longer–they’re a rogue corporate entity using the government to enrich themselves.
It’s one thing to consider companies such as Halliburton and Enron in isolation, as operating outside the law, but, I think, when a political party is acting as a criminal enterprise to further their own acquisition of wealth and act as the interface between such companies and government–and specifically creating policy to accomplish illegal ends, it’s time to pull the plug on the whole lot of them.
OldCoastie @ 118
LOL
Suzanne @
19
Congratulations to the families, and the happy couple
OldCoastie @ 118
Coastie, you’re never too old. I got married at 42 — first time, too! And my Dad (84) and his girlfriend are in FL right now, playing golf and soaking up rays. Sometimes it’s good to be by yourself, sometimes it’s not.
Lockheed Martin gets the old Heave Ho
Sen. John Sunun’s statement on Abu Gonzales.
-GSD
P.S. Obama is afraid of gay people.
AZ Matt @ 126
Whooee! Is that this boat?
GSD @ 127
‘PS’? What’d he say/do?
GSD @ 109
I think that was apparent from the initial police reports. Went through the same thing with my brother’s death: Since he died by shotgun blast while someone else was in the house, there were questions of suicide vs. murder, eventually ruled suicide. I feel for his family and friends. It’s painful to go through such a tragedy, and to deal with all the publicity on top of it…
OK, I’m being a buzzkill here. Good things… We are finally seeing accountability for the administration’s malfeasance… Suzanne’s lovely daughter just got engaged,.. EDP is is celebrating a birthday,.. T-Rex has a hot date. I say *DINGS* all around. and {{{{{Jane}} Be well.
OK, after reading the posts, I realize I’m talking about the wrong person. I was thinking of the comedian that died earlier this week. Nevertheless, my statement still stands.
HotFlash @ 126
Congrats Coastie… I recently had the joy of re-discovering what that felt like myself.
EvilDrPuma @ 122
Yes, that’s it. Burried deep beneath the earth where no one will ever find them unless we leave Iraq in which case they will be miraculously discovered at a previously undisclosed location.
HotFlash @ 129
I think there are two different programs. The one you are linking to I think had to do with upgrading existing hulls while what I linked to is the development of new ship designs.
Totally OT, but I thought some might enjoy it.
I just got back to Plame House. I don’t know which is the most frightening. That there are 3 half-drunk bottles of wine (well, actually, one is champagne) leftover from Verdict night.
Or, that the magnum of wine that LHP brought–that one’s all gone.
good tidings, Coastie
If Rayne comes by, she might want to look into this story of the Nat’l Enquirer and anthrax. I’ve been linking to it because it seems vurry suspicious to me, but I hadn’t made the USA connection until just now.
Did anyone catch Biden on the Senate floor today? I am definitely not a Biden fan but wow he was on fire. Finally someone showing the passion I feel against this illegal fucking war.
Yes, that’s it. Burried deep beneath the earth where no one will ever find them unless we leave Iraq in which case they will be miraculously discovered at a previously undisclosed location.
By the bad guys, who would not have found them if we hadn’t left – we would have and it is all the fault of the dems and liberals.
What the hell does “Pompitous” mean, anyway? I’ve been wondering for 30 years.
It’s not in my dictionary…
Richard Jeni was the comic.
-GSD
tbsa @ 138
I secretly like Biden, but frankly he is always 10 steps behind what ends up being conventional wisdom.
I appreciated the passion but it is 2 to 4 years too late.
-GSD
emptywheel @ 135
Fitz can’t apprear at the Waxman Show on Friday. You should let Henry know if you are available.
neurophius @ 140
Although Miller claims he invented the word, all of his song-writing shows strong rhythm and blues influences, and a 1954 song called “The Letter” by the Medallions had the lines:
Oh my darling, let me whisper
sweet words of pizmotality
and discuss the puppetutes of love.
The song was composed by Vernon Green as a description of his dream woman. “Pizmotality described words of such secrecy that they could only be spoken to the one you loved,” Green explained. He coined the term puppetutes “to mean a secret paper-doll fantasy figure who would be my everything and bear my children.”
HotFlash @ 130
Wishy washy non-commital crap about wether or not gays are immoral. Can’t offend the reklgious right that he wants to court for election day 2008.
Sad, I like him more than most.
-GSD
neuro, I haven’t a clue what pompitous of love means but I sure do like the sound of it.
tbsa @ 138
I saw bits. That, IMHO, is the difference between a Statesman and a politician. One says what he/she says is best for the country, regardless of the consequences to reputation/party/political expediency. The other says whatever works at the moment. The first is Speaking Truth to Power. the second is weaseling. (no offense to weasels.)
We are all Statespersons here.
GSD @ 145
Him and Miss Congeniality Clinton. They’d make a great ticket, wouldn’t they?
EvilDrPuma @ 122
Almost all terrorists are men. They simply won’t pull over and ask for directions.
emptywheel in da Plame House!
The song was composed by Vernon Green as a description of his dream woman. “Pizmotality described words of such secrecy that they could only be spoken to the one you loved,” Green explained. He coined the term puppetutes “to mean a secret paper-doll fantasy figure who would be my everything and bear my children.”
Looks like Snoop Dogg hacked this mans lingo.
-GSD
GSD @ 141
Thank you for the reminder. I hope he has found peace at last.
Has anyone read Glenn Greenwalds’ latest about the mini-neo-confab at the Whitehouse?
Sounds like the bunker mentality and the royal courtiers fluffing the king before the peasants show up with pitchforks.
*NSA types, I am speaking metaphorically and don’t own a pitchfork.
-GSD
AZ Matt @ 142
Absolutely. Fitz specifically said
ie, Anatomy of Deceit. Plain as day.
melfeasance @ 40
Pet Wrecker @ 60
Muzzy @ 86
Okay. Just typed out the pdf file. Here’s the full content of FITZ’s letter.
http://oversight.house.gov/Doc…..-55978.pdf
March 14, 2007
The Honorable Henry A. Waxman
Chairman, Committee on Oversight and Government Reform
United States House of Representatives
2157 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515-6143
Dear Congressman Waxman:
I write in response to your letter of March 8, 2007, which invited me to meet with you and Ranking Member Davis to discuss the possibility of my testifying before the Committee. I believe it is important to advise you promptly of the limits on any assistnace I could provide to the Committee.
Your March 8 letter outlines specific areas of potential testimony, including my views on: (1)whether particular persons “complied with the requirements governing the handling of classified information,” and “whether the White House took appropriate remedial action:” (2)whether “ultimate responsibility for the outing of Ms. Wilson” rests with persons other than Mr. Libby: and (3)more broadly, whether existing administrative requirements safeguarding classified information are sufficient to protect against future leaks.
As an initial matter, I note that the matter of United States v. I. Lewis Libby, 05-CR-394, is still pending in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. Mr. Libby has recently been convicted but has not yet been sentenced. The defense is scheduled to file a motion for a new trial prior to the sentencing date. Obviously, any putative appeal by Mr. Libby has neither been filed nor resolved. Based upon consultation with the Department of Justice, I have been advised of its long-standing policy of declining to provide non-public information about pending law enforcement matters, including briefings. Additionally, as you note, I would not be in position to share with you information covered by Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. We have scrupulously adhered to the requirements of the Rule throughout this proceeding and must continue to do so.
I also do not believe it would be appropriate for me to offer opinions, as your letter suggests the Committee may seek, about the ultimate responsibility of senior White House officials for the disclosure of Ms. Wilson’s identity, or the sufficiency of the remedial measures that White House officials took after the leak. Prosecutors traditionally refrain from commenting outside of the judicial process on the actions of persons not charged with criminal offenses. Such individuals have significant privacy and due process interests that deserve protection as do the internal deliberations of prosecutors relating to their conduct. Moreover, any opinions that I might offer on these topics would be grounded in significant part on grand jury information that remains protected by Rule 6(e). In that vein, I do not think I could offer cogent views or opinions on the adequacy of the current statutes and administrative regulations that address improper disclosures of classified information, while at the same time stripping from such views any references to particular persons whose conduct was at issue in the investigation but who were not charged with a crime or references to Mr. Libby, whose case is still pending.
You may wish to review the substantial information gathered during our investigation, (especially as it concerned Mr. Libby in particular), which has become a matter of public record as a result of court proceedings and the trial. Many of the court filings are publicly docketed and, of course, the trial testimony and all trial exhibits are matters of public record.
I appreciate the Committee’s important oversight interests, but also trust that you will appreciate my position in this matter, particularly while the criminal case remains pending and in light of the confidentiality and privacy interests at stake.
Very truly yours,
PATRICK J. FITZGERALD
Special Counsel
emptywheel in da Plame House!
Fitz can’t apprear at the Waxman Show on Friday. You should let Henry know if you are available.
since you just happen to be in the neighborhood and all…
here
Thanks, tbsa and Suzanne. I’ve always had a problem hearing rock lyrics correctly. Sometimes they turn out to be saying something entirely different than I thought. I guess I heard this one correctly, just don’t have a clue what it means.
TeddySanFran @ 155
That doesn’t sound too bad to me. Definitely better than Pace or Clinton. Teddy, how does it sound to you?
happy birthday EDP…I just conjured an image of you selling everything and giving the proceeds to the poor
HotFlash @ 158
So long as he supports equal rights under the law. The wingnuts can’t wig too badly with that statement considering their man Gouliani supports the same thing.
TeddySanFran @ 156
If one were so inclined to construe Obama’s words as apparently intended, one might conclude that he is in principle not in favor of “don’t ask, don’t tell.”
Really, though, if Obama and Clinton are so afraid of losing the vote with any conceivable demographic that they won’t just call it like they see it, why should I bother getting off my ass for them at primary time?
Finally geting around to reading Andrew Cohen’s piece on Alberto the Enabler:
Fascinating read -link
spiderpaws @ 159
I did that. I got to keep all my stuff.
Per TRex:
For years I’ve been told that the U.S. must support Israel because middle-east oil is essential to western economies. And, it is noted, Israel has Mossad, the best intelligence service in the middle east, and perhaps in the entire world.
So, exactly what was the input of the world’s best intelligence service to the “intelligence failure” on which the Bush blames its Iraq disaster — per Israeli military scholar, Martin Van Creveld, “the most foolish war since Emperor Augustus in 9 BC sent his legions into Germany and lost them”. Inquiring minds want to know.
GSD @ 153
NSA types: I’m only quoting the movie “Young Frankenstein; “Riots are a terrible and ugly thing. And it’s about time we had one.”
montag @ 123
Yes!
IIRC, criminal filings under Federal RICO must come via USA’s.
A small block there.
The Federal False Claims Act doesn’t require DOJ approval.
The FCA does allow private citizens to file claims against any commercial enterprise defrauding the US via false claims.
And get paid for it – when our claims are substantiated.
We Americans can file fraud charges in Federal court against the GOP’s crooked corporate instruments and the network of criminal enterprises shoring up the GOP’s supporters.
The FCA won’t directly* hit the GOP.
The FCA won’t kill off the GOP as an organization – but it will kill off the network of corporate theft funding the GOP.
Follow their money.
And use the FCA to kill it.
Whole lotta gooper white collar criminals to pluck.
Whole lotta pissed off employees who know the fraud – but haven’t heard about the FCA.
Yet.
Hmmm – a blogosphere project?
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[*unless it has become a direct US Govt contractor…by no means impossible, of course].
Hi Folks.
Well here is something interesting. Did any of you read that AP story about the faulty NOLA Pumps?
Well a blogger, Matt McBride (of Fix The Pumps ) provided the AP with a critical document that documented the issue. (I dropped Matt and the NOLA bloggers a note to offer support and any help in case if he is in the middle of getting swamped by other reporters. I’ve had a bit of experience in this area ;-)
Anyway the article shows a link between Jeb Bush and the company that made the pumps.
So I see that MWI has their response up.(below)
Let’s see if we can help the press ask the next set of right questions to confirm the info they want to put out. It all could be fine, everything is working perfectly and these meddling bloggers are just nervous nellies. But I read the memo McBride ) found and it would be interesting to read what the test they passed were like, was the capacity downgraded, haw was the bidding process handled, etc.
Matt has already called BS on some of the response below (link)
EDP: how could you do it and keep your stuff?
EvilDrPuma @ 160
Gore.
AZ Matt @
163
Attorneys were executed at Nuremberg.
EvilDrPuma @ 162
Hillary is triangulating for all she’s worth and Obama is backsliding from the stances that got him where he is now. I’m starting to get real disappointed. Run Al run.
Kristine @ 166
707
Wigwam @ 164
There was no ‘intelligence failure’ – it was a resounding success, in the same way that torture is successful. It is true that torture does not work when seeking the truth, but it works wonderfully when you elicit the answers you are looking for.
My bold: I think we’ve established that they are able and willing to serve, Senator.
For the rest of my life, I will remeber Powell’s speech and saying to myself ” What a load of Shit! All they’ve got is a few grainy pictures of a six-bi that could have come out of the Army 30 years ago. Who are they kidding?” I could not beleive the totally unsceptical response by the ‘analyst’ guys on the teevee. It was like being in an alternate universe. Thank god I eventually found ‘teh blogs’.
Now what is Powell doing? Collecting $50-75K a pop to impress bigwigs. Fox can’t be to far in the future. And to think, Carter was the first to give him a leg up.
Where is ES,AR? Out polishing that wooden pitchfork of his?
EDP: if you don’t give it away, love will run…
OldCoastie @
119
Yay.
Good luck.
hey spidey – lots of good news on the lake tonight
It is no wonder that Sen. Leahy was worried back in January 2005 that Gonzales would not have the moxie to say no when he needed to.
moxie: ruse. sick.
TeddySanFran @ 157
Pace foreswore his sworn Oath to uphold the Constitution.
Obama is too cowardly to uphold his Oath by directly confronting or rebuking Pace.
A pair of craven opportunitsts – they deserve each other.
The rest of us deserve better.
Suze: seeing Gonzales on the hot seat is the sweetest…hear you may be a step Gammaw…adding on family without even trying
TRex @ 179
You are never too old for this
montag @
123
Hi Kirk,
Right on! I made this point in previous thread, and I’ll make it again:
* Interfering with the prosecution of a GOP contributor or operative is a RICO felony.
* Harassing opponents with unwarranted prosecution is “wrongful use of a governmental instrumentality,” a violation of Section 371, i.e., Conspiracy to Defraud the United States.
ATTACK!!!
Wigwam @ 185
But, but, but, it can’t be illegal. Maybe just a lil inappropriate…
Alicia @ 174
But, the question of Mossad’s complicity persists. Exactly what did we get for our money?
DKos diary:
I’m still catching up here, but can someone quickly break down Rule 6(e) for me, or point me to where someone has already done so?
By the way:
Gonzales resigns Friday or my name’s Harry Mudd. Just in time for the news dump.
Please, America, don’t be distracted by the Bright Shiny Object of that terror “confession”. Please, please, please.
punaise @
136
that’s about exactly it, Pun… how did you know that?
TRex @ 189
Grand Jury Secrecy Rules
Washingtonpost.com
Following is the text of Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, which establishes rules for grand jury secrecy.
Recording and Disclosure of Proceedings.
(1) Recording of Proceedings. All proceedings, except when the grand jury is deliberating or voting, shall be recorded stenographically or by an electronic recording device. An unintentional failure of any recording to reproduce all or any portion of a proceeding shall not affect the validity of the prosecution. The recording or reporter’s notes or any transcript prepared therefrom shall remain in the custody or control of the attorney for the government unless otherwise ordered by the court in a particular case.
(2) General Rule of Secrecy. A grand juror, an interpreter, a stenographer, an operator of a recording device, a typist who transcribes recorded testimony, an attorney for the government, or any person to whom disclosure is made under paragraph (3)(A)(ii) of this subdivision shall not disclose matters occurring before the grand jury, except as otherwise provided for in these rules. No obligation of secrecy may be imposed on any person except in accordance with this rule. A knowing violation of Rule 6 may be punished as a contempt of court.
* There are noted exceptions of course.
Would someone please edit #184 to turn off the “Bold.”
Thanks!
TRex, do you think AG squared will announce his resignation just as Waxman starts his committee.
Bold should be gone. refresh everyone -
punaise @ 188
Can congress bring charges (besides contempt)against someone? Or is a USA required? One who might be thinking about his/her job?
TRex @ 189
Rule 6(e) governs the secrecy of grand jury proceedings.
Maybe I’m just rationalizing, but I think dressing up your pets is not as demeaning to them if you only do it in Photoshop. ;)
Kristine @
147
Why does this make me think of Russ Feingold?
Re the USCG “Deepwater” program. It is a combination of upgrades and new construction. Insofar as parts of the program under direct USCG control have gone, it has proceeded apace. But the more control outside contractors have had, the worse the results have been. The youtube video referenced above (here’s a better version) is about new construction of 12 new hulls of fast response 112-footers. The cancellation referred to in the press accounts above is for renovations to most of the existing fleet of USCG cutters, both long-range and fast response. The upgrades to existing USCG helicopters is nearly complete and went well.
The US Coast Guard is the poster boy service for failures of the reconfiguration of many departments under the Department of Homeland Security.
Alicia @ 174
Amen, sister.
Are you my sister?
OldCoastie @ 191
woo hoo! man’s intuition?
think not? i believe they’ll find a way ……..
Helpless Dancer @ 195
LHP seems to think there are a lot of possible charges. The key ones to me are RICO and “Conspiracy to defraud the United States,” a matter on which Elizabeth de la Vega has written a book.
tbsa @ 192
You guys rock so hard.
Could someone donate a million dollars to my paypal account?
I mean, while y’all are granting wishes…
Wigwam @ 185
Wigwam – what a vulnerability – thanks for pointing it out (each time!).
If the 371 violation is covered by the False Claims Act, what a great tool for destroying the neo-con’s false intel shops.
Might 371 apply to AIPAC’s activities? IIRC, they directly shopped false raw intel (re Iraq) to the Wolfowitz stovepipers.
I’d sure hate to see AIPAC damaged.
I won’t settle for less than destroyed, with assets confiscated by criminal sanctions.
And AIPAC oficers and board members facing civil forfeiture and war crimes trials for their conscious, deliberate conspiracy to mislead Federal employees and subvert US policy in service of the neo-cons’ global war of aggression.
Ed*ard Teller @ 199
not as if the CG doesn’t have enough to do, but gettin’ screwed by the contractors (as was the case when I was in too – so nothing new there) is just the corker…
it’s such a little teeny service, I’m not surprised they outsourced it, still…
punaise @ 201
you get a gold star, buddy!
You know, after I turned 30, I started to freak out a little bit that I was getting older, but then I looked around and realized that everyone else was getting older at exactly the same speed. There will always be someone out there who makes you feel *special*.
The key is to find them and then not fuck it up when you do.
I am not a kook!
TRex @ 200
But the question of Mossad’s involvement persists. How good was the intelligence that Israel provided its “special friend”?
TRex – this is typically my problem! (he-he)… now if I could just stop acting like some insane 13 year old, I would be quite happy with myself.
Helpless Dancer @ 195
Congress has no law enforcement powers of its own. It can refer evidence of wrongdoing to the Justice Department for investigation, but that’s about it. Even in the case of contempt, that charge must be referred to Justice for execution of the order–usually through the federal marshal system, IIRC.
Can the Bushies simply ignore such referrals? Yes, indeed. Would they? Depends upon whether or not they think they can sufficiently frustrate the normal workings of the system. If they can delay or otherwise gum up the works with procedural bullshit, they would do that first, before trying to just outright refuse such a request.
The first and obvious attempt on their part would be to assign any such case to one of their political toadies for investigation. Then, they can sit on it (this has already been done, in the instance of the forged Niger documents–the FBI says it hasn’t the authority or the resources to investigate in Italy on such a matter–outright horseshit, that–and yet they did not interview one of the principals in the matter, even though he’d twice been in this country for interviews with the press).
…no TREx, the key is to get it while you can…what I could tell you!
kirk murphy @ 205
I like the way you think, Dude!
OldCoastie @ 210
No, no!! This is the fun part! Write your names together over and over on the inside cover of your notebook. Try on all your favorite clothes and think, “I wonder if *SHE* will think I look cute in this!”
Take a long hot bath and think about her washing your hair.
That one always gets me. I always want my boyfriends to let me shave their faces. There’s something so sexy about that.
Sigh.
Ah, shpring has sproinged.
Wigwam @ 185
Wigwam – what a vulnerability – thanks for pointing it out (each time!).
If the 371 violation is covered by the False Claims Act, what a great tool for destroying the neo-cons’ false intel shops.
Might 371 apply to AIPAC’s activities? IIRC, they directly shopped false raw intel (re Iraq) to the Wolfowitz stovepipers.
I’d sure hate to see AIPAC damaged.
I won’t settle for less than destroyed, with assets confiscated by criminal sanctions.
And AIPAC oficers and board members facing civil forfeiture and war crimes trials for their conscious, deliberate conspiracy to mislead Federal employees and subvert US policy in service of the neo-cons’ global war of aggression.
PS – Thanks for your kind salutation, but montag justly deserves all credit for the quoted words.
I was just riffing off montag’s comment :)
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Astrologically the day is loaded Friday, anything can happen, even love for the old folks
Mahablog, via digby:
oh TRex! you and I are sisters under the skin!
A problem with my situation (this is how delusional I am)… she is an acquaintance of a couple years (funny, I didn’t notice her before but I was too busy, apparently) and we work together (ARRGH!)
I’m not sure if she is a friend of Dorothy…
but you ever just suddenly “see” someone? I mean Really See Them? and it just knocks your socks off?
montag @ 211
Just about what I thought. On the bright side though, the statute of limitations will not have run out by the time we take back the WH.
Howdy, folks.
DreamingCrow @ 220
Howdy, DreamingCrow – what’s shakin’?
OldCoastie @ 218
Honey, I’m a Gemini. I suddenly “see” my own hands and feet about six times a day. “Oooh, wow! These are so cool!”
I barely have time to formulate my opinions before I start to feel trapped and over-committed.
So, yes, I have known people for years and then suddenly turned around and thought, “Hot dayumn!! Have you been this adorable all this time?”
And baby, straight people, it seems, are a whole lot less straight than they used to be, apparently.
It’s about damn time.
Hey DreamingCrow, how is the family and the life going for you? You’ve been in my antipodean thoughts.
…who knew crows dreamed? lovely thought
Maddy @
42
Congratulations to both of you . . . I think? ;)
spiderpaws @ 224
She’s one of our semi-n00bs. Good to see you, dearie! How are things?
Hey, spidey, it can never work between a Gemini and a Scorpio, can it?
Hi mods –
please consign my 10:35 (accidental duplication instead of edit) to the e-void.
This 10:46 comment can go, also.
[Sorry to tangle up the thread…. just can’t help it sometimes….
living with cats is showing.
gotta go.
saw a bug.]
kirk murphy @ 217
IMHO, A*PAC is an agent of a foreign power and should have to register as such, just as the Communist Party of yesteryear had to do.
I’m so screwed!
She’s just amazing – which I always knew… but then that damn realization thing washed right over me and now I’m just acting like an idiot….
I would be the luckiest person on the earth if I can figure this out… and stop stammering… and blushing…
OldCoastie @ 223
::grin:: Not my life for once! I’m happily busy. ^_^
NZ Expat @ 225
I appreciate the thoughts, seriously. J is settling in to the residential facility and getting help, though he was very anxious and twitchy when I saw him today. My younger is doing excellently and therapy is helping him greatly. My husband is great, other than a cold. I FINALLY, way too late, started therapy myself, which is good, though. I’ve just been busier than the proverbial one-legged man, so haven’t been appearing around these parts much.
oh, and she twinkles her eyes at me in a way that makes me think the possibility is there…
I have to run shortly – an evening out at a friend’s! Wine! Laughter! Women telling bawdy jokes! We’re having a big cold blow off the Tasman Sea, which tells us that autumn is seriously knocking at the door. A good way to beat down the shivers.
But, for all of us late bloomers, or parents or siblings of those who struggle to get their life to have melody, I have my favorite lyrics (which, for some reason, seeing DreamingCrow reminds me of)….
Blackbird singing in the dead of night,
Take these broken wings and learn to fly.
All your life, you were just awaiting for this moment to arrive.
Blackbird sing…
spiderpaws @ 226
I’ve always thought so. I had a bit of a thing for crows when I was younger and when searching for a new online identity, that one just sort of jumped in front of me. I use it in multiple places online and for my photo work.
kirk murphy @ 182
OTOH, I think it takes a self-aware person to be able to separate one’s one feelings about an issue and the Constitutionality of that issue. For example, the consumption of alcohol: Many people do not imbibe for various reasons, (e.g. cultural, religious, health, etc.) yet it is legal in this country, and therefore tolerated. The same with abortion. As the saying goes, if you don’t believe in abortion, don’t have one. It is the law of the land. There is a plethora of issues one could think of. You may not approve of someone’s speech/actions to recognize that they have the right to it. As Voltaire said: “I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Obama, or anyone else, has the right to their own opinion: The difference is how that opinion influences their actions in the Real World. Do they choose the Law of the Land over allegence (sp?) to some higher belief/ideal as the Christian Right has done? That is the essential question, as I see it to ask anyone running for office: How (not will/can) will you separate your personal views on ____ when you vote? What are your feelings? (be honest, it’s OK.) Do you understand the the conflict between your personal beliefs and the Constitution?
Be honest. That’s all I ask.
TRex @ 228
I am so seriously not used to hearing myself described as a n00b, even a semi-one. It’s humbling. ^_^
See my comment above, things seem to be sliding into the green zone. Now, if I could dig up some contract work and get my photography website back up and remodeled, I’d be a pretty happy camper.
Ah, the younger siblings of troubled ones. My younger one is quite loyal and responsible to the older one, but is anxious about living in the same house for an extended time again. It is hard, for he understands and loves the elder, but on a daily basis, it is hard living.
OldCoastie @ 230
Hee!!
Oh, I love that feeling.
Isn’t it weird. I read that and I thought, “I hope someday someone will think about me like that again.”
NZ Expat @ 233
In-freaking-deed.
I hope that you enjoy your night out.
TRex @ 236
oh, Sweetie! you are so cute, you won’t have any trouble… you just wait!
DreamingCrow @ 234
Well, n00bs would be the people who emerged and stuck around from the last big de-lurk night. You and aliasofwestgate were our treasures from the de-lurk before that, hence semi-n00bs.
I hope I didn’t make you feel like I was questioning your cred!
NZ Expat @ 237
I think once you’ve stood by watching your mom wrestle a knife out of your brother’s hand, one that he’s aiming at your step-father, you kind of lose some of your innocence. :-/ At least, he’s working on having a relationship with his brother again. He’s only 10 and the whole thing confuses the heck out of him.
Hi wigwam -
Thanks for your kind comment at 214 and your generous salutation at 185.
I am not worthy!
The wise words quoted at 185 were montag’s from 123 – but thanks for the bask in their company!
TRex @ 241
Oh no, I understood completely, it’s just still an odd feeling to hear myself described that way. I’m an oldster at most of my online hangouts.
Suzanne @ 194
oops, sorry, my bad.
Not to answer for Kirk.
Pace has a right to voice his personal opinions, but at an official press conference he is speaking for a taxpayer supported enterprise. If we’re paying for it, he’s speaking for us. And that’s where I have a problem with him.
kirk murphy @ 244
Hey, Montag. I like the way you think, Dude.
g’ night all… I must get my beauty sleep!
thanks for the encouragement… I need a little courage right now.
I was just wondering this week how Sen. Tim Johnson (D-SD) was recovering from his AVM surgery when I saw today’s link at TPM. Sounds like he is doing much better as he continues his recovery:
“I want to thank the people of South Dakota and all of our dear friends for their support and prayers. This has been an unexpected journey and there is a long road in front of me. I am determined and focused on my recovery, and I look forward to returning to the Senate on behalf of South Dakota,” said Senator Johnson.
The medical staff at the rehabilitation center has informed the Johnsons that the Senator continues to progress as expected. The attending physician states, “Senator Johnson is making significant and regular gains. He is doing very well cognitively. We are focusing on standing and balance training as the foundation upon which to base the course of his ongoing physical recovery.”
Pictures of him with his family: http://johnson.senate.gov/
Great news.
spiderpaws @
226
Back from dinner – stew with Stu, ET, Jr. and Ms. ET. Stu and ET, Jr. are working at an outdoor daycamp for 5 to 10yo kids over spring break. It was minus 5F and blowing 40 when they got there today. It blew the outhouse over later when it got windy.
The kids stayed inside, mostly. One game they played, I’d never heard of before – owl bingo. Stu and Alex explained it to me, and I still don’t get it.
I knew crows dream, but I had no idea owls play bingo…
And now, after coming in and spamming y’all, I must to sleep go.
I hope everyone is doing well and getting even better.
In the Watergate controversy, a key tipping point was Alexander Butterfield’s revelation that there was an all-present voice recording system in the White House. That revelation led to the smoking gun.
I suspect that the recent email dump may similarly reveal a truly smoking gun, and several of the emails that I’ve read so far seem to have the potential to be a smoking gun. This is very big stuff!
Thanks for that TRex *grins*
I’m mostly relaxing and getting my own things back in order. My health problems are starting to interfere with schooling. So i’ll likely have to fall back on my backup plan. Which is pretty much what i do for a living now, just going for the National Certification and going to work in a hospital. Better pay, good benefits.
If nothing works, it’ll hurt losing the music career. The thing is, the it won’t be lost either. Music is always a part of me, i just wont’ be able to make much of a career out of it.
So in the midst of all that? I’m watching this drama in the admin play itself out with enthusiasm and watching them stumble and fall. FINALLY.
Helpless Dancer @ 220
That’s debatable. The statute of limitations is variable, depending upon the crime committed–it can be as short as three years, or as long as seven in capital cases, I believe (although murder can stay open indefinitely in most states). The statute of limitations is, in fact, a time limit for an investigation to proceed, and it’s there so that lazy prosecutors can’t simply leave a case on the books for an indeterminate amount of time without doing anything. It basically says, you have xxx amount of time to produce evidence toward an indictment for a particular crime committed. It’s a shit-or-get-off-the-pot rule, but, I think, any case can be reopened after that cut-off date with the introduction of new, timely evidence that warrants such.
What is missing here is the political will to do so on the part of a new president. Presidents just don’t go after their predecessor (or even speak much ill of them) once in office, for fear that the same will happen to them once they’re gone.
A case in point. Lawrence Walsh had a lot of unfinished business with Iran-Contra, and one of the things that bothered him most was the so-called “October Surprise.” He really couldn’t go after a sitting president on the charges, but was willing to pursue them after the elder Bush was out of office and he needed under-oath testimony from Bush to continue.
Some of this has to do with a report requested by the Dems from the Russians on events surrounding Iran-Contra. It was requested in, I think, around August or September of 1992, and the committee didn’t hear anything for months. They gave up, began writing the final report, sent it to the printers in late December. As it went to the printers, the Russian report arrived, full of little blockbusters. Lee Hamilton, likely at the request of the incoming Clinton administration, simply shelved the Russian intelligence report, and distributed the committee’s findings as printed.
Bush never testified under oath about any aspect of Iran-Contra after he left office. Reagan did consent to an interview not under oath, but by that time he was too deep into Alzheimer’s to be a credible witness–he simply couldn’t remember a thing, according to Walsh’s final report. Walsh was basically stymied in continuing his investigation once the Clinton administration was in and the Congressional committee had folded up its tent.
That’s politics, unfortunately. It’s also one of the reasons why the Bushies were able to come back with a vengeance once they were in office. A full and complete criminal and Congressional investigation of Iran-Contra, the CIA and BCCI probably would have dismantled the neo-conservatives’ operation then.
Jesus.
It was 77 degrees today in Athens and sunny.
I do not want to trade with you, thank you.
punaise @
115
That internet thinger is wrong – says Julie’s beau is Adam Goldberg.. Not! That’s Christina Ricci’s guy.
Wigwam @ 251
I wouldn’t bet my life on it. The WH archival system isn’t bullet proof. Think of the 250 missing e-mails.
To put the somewhat less than fully satisfying remarks of Democratic presidential candidates Sen. Hillary Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama in some perspective, we hear from Think Progress, via Raw Story, that on the cutting edge of the lunatic fringe, Republican presidential candidate in his own mind Sam Brownback “applauds” Gen. Peter Pace’s homophobic remarks:
“General Pace’s recent remarks do not deserve the criticism they have received. In fact, we applaud General Pace for maintaining a personal commitment to moral principles.”
http://www.rawstory.com/showar…..-comments/
72 in the shade today at the little cottage by the creek in the redwoods. Perfect spring day with ducks back in the creek, birds in the trees, and the rat bastoid squirrels chewing on everything.
spiderpaws @
226
I’m late to the picnic – any dead rats?
Oh, Hi!!!!!
Helpless Dancer @ 258
How could emails be missing. Even when an email is deleted from a certain computer it’s still lives on a email server somewhere, that is probably backed up every night.
hey jacqrat – i saw your earlier comment downthread and updated that link so it shows token’s lineage.
TRex @
256
nor me with you, I guess – but I sure wish it was 77 here today. even 27 would be nice.
montag @ 253
I see what you mean. It’s always one step(Dems) forward and two steps(Repugs) back. It’s almost enough to drive one to despair. The lack of a proper housecleaning just lets the crud accumulate.
tbsa @ 261
As I recall, all or most of missing emails were eventually recovered. What the WH said at the time is that they didn’t have them, because they didn’t do email adminstration themselves (actually done by some adjunct of the GSA off-site from the WH). That was sorted out, after some considerable delay, I believe.
Did anyone else see ABC’s news tonight? They did a really decent story on the USA’s getting fired, and focused on Carol Lam and the continuing investigation her office was doing out of the Cunningham case, and asked if there was any connection. They didn’t answer it of course, but at least they know what’s going on! It was refreshing.
Ed*ard Teller @ 261
I just don’t know how y’all do it. Your houses must be made of steel. Or giant stone blocks or something. If it was minus five here, my house would be little better than a duck blind, I suspect.
Actually, that’s not true. When it gets really cold here (to me), my house stays pretty cozy.
But still…
Suzanne @ 258
Don’t you just love california? And you’re going to move where?
montag @ 255
One of the interesting provisions of the constitution is that, per the Wikipedia:
Please keep this in mind when you consider the wisdom of proceeding with impeachment.
Suzanne @
263
Hi, Suz. Congrats. Spidey must be looking for her lighter again. *cough*
Link? OH, the link to the absolutely CUTEST DOGS EVER IN THE WORLD?
Helpless Dancer @ 258
But, nobody is claiming that those we’ve seen are bogus. Right?
I’ve been looking around the Oregon coast and southern Washington areas, helpless dancer. Hate to give up this place but… life is a journey and I’ll see where this detour takes me.
I think spidey is checking the zapper.
Suzanne @
273
That, too. But I bet the other as well.
It’s been yet another wonderful evening, but I gotta go before I turn into a pumpkin. See Y’all on the flip side.
Suzanne @ 273
hee hee!
and re your other comment:
so many lovely places on the Oregon coast…
most important – hope wherever you go is exactly right for you.
pmfji, but Dang I like that punaise guy!
Word-play always attracts my eye (even his nym sends me), but recently he posted a particularly apropos quote from Genesis’ “Supper’s Ready”, to wit:
“Something tells me I’d better activate my prayer-capsule”
which sent me reelin’. Thanks for that, punaise, & keep on posting!
Jacqrat @
274
BTW, I am SO happy Harriet Miers is back in the news. I hope she starts updating her blog, again!!!
stibbert @ 274
See, punaise?
You’re a star.
stibbert @ 277
PSSSST. Punaise is really *quite the dish*, IRL. Swoon away!
Helpless Dancer @ 264
Well, to be fair, I suspect that none of those investigations were driven to completion because some Dems were involved (particular wrt BCCI).
But, as an illustration of the damage done by not putting a bunch of these people in jail with a great deal of publicity, Elliot Abrams convened a meeting a couple of years ago of all the Reagan-Bush Iran-Contra principals who’d been resurrected by Bush the Younger, and they had a little pow-wow about how to avoid the problems Iran-Contras created. One of the main things they concluded was that the CIA and the military were liabilities, and second, that everything had to be run out of the OVP to maintain security.
For practical purposes, what they were saying is, “here’s how we do it this time, with as little chance of getting caught as possible.”
We have no idea, right now, if that pow-wow was a battle plan for something they are doing or are thinking of doing. But, with Cheney’s office behaving as it has for the past six years, I would guess they’re doing something now that we know nothing about–and may never find out.
If these same guys had gone to jail for twenty years for subverting the government, they wouldn’t be up to no good now….
Cheers.
thanks, kirk, that is exactly what i am looking for. just as i found the little cottage by the creek in the redwoods, i have faith that i will find the next right spot for me.
Wigwam @247
My point exactly. Having the ability to accept things that are covered under our Constitution to take precedence over what we believe personally is what we should expect from our leadership. I despise Bill O’Reilly, but he has the right, short of slander or outright lies, (OK, so that pretty much covers his show /snark) to spew whatever half-baked opinion that forms in his head is his right. Peter “Petty” Pace (I could never get that phrase out of my head whenever his name was mentioned. New monicker?) may be personally uncomfortable about gays, but until orders come from above, as a good soldier, he is bound by the orders of his superiors, whether he agrees with them or not.
Hmmm…could this whole thing be just another Bright Shiny Object or maybe a bit of red meat fed to the Base? A twofer? Gee…just thought of that. Please tell me I’m not (too) obtuse.
So many scandals, so little time.
If these same guys had gone to jail for twenty years for subverting the government, they wouldn’t be up to no good now….
The certainly wouldn’t have had twenty years to sit around and plan how to crush democracy and bankrupt America.
Iraq behind on benchmarks set by bushco.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03…..ref=slogin
tbsa @ 285
I, for one am shocked – Shocked!
I, for one am shocked – Shocked!
No one could have predicted…
Wigwam @ 272
Right, they’re just BS-ing and hoping no one mentions that their statements are flatly contradicted by their past emails (or even more rudely, just points out that they’re lying.)
Suzanne @ 284
HOW CAN THIS HAVE HAPPENED??!!
It must be the liberals’ fault.
Medals for everyone!
;>)
Can’t sleep. Too much on my mind. Also just finished an article that should have gone to Journal but simply didn’t make the timeline, what with work this week, ended up in ePM community.
melfeasance @
155
Should also point out re: Fitzgerald’s response was cc:d to Tom Davis, ranking minority member, and to Hertling, Asst. AG (this latter is a key issue given feedback from earlier threads). If Marcy stops in, I hope she’s take note of this.
HotFlash @
137
Got the story…damn, if that’s what they wanted to cover up, they sure made a lot of trouble doing it. And then there’s the Miller thing…Aspens and all.
TRex @
189
The part of Rule 6(e) to which Fitz referred in his letter is that governing release of GJ testimony and evidence. See in particular 6(e)(3)(E) and (F) — Congress must petition the court for release of Grand Jury testimony and evidence in this case, and Fitzgerald must write a brief responsive to this petition, one that advises the court about the nature of the evidence and gives a generalized opinion as to whether this is appropriate. [source:
Reply
montag @ 281
Watergate was done well. Iran/Contra was done poorly. Both Ford and Clinton did the country and posterity a disservice by not following through. Shame on them.
Oh, punaise was a star here, before I piled on. But thanks to him, I’ve got a whole queue of Genesis LPs lined up for play this week!
tbsa@286,
weird how bush promised to veto the House bill that attempted to codidy his ‘benchmarks’, innit?
Remember when the fake Pelosi plane scandal was sputtering out, and Pelosi said Rumsfeld still has a desk at the pentagon? Did anyone in the media follow that up and find out if it was true?
It seems the bush admin has a problem with canceling security clearances and walking people out the door. Sampson still goes to the office.
What part of fired or resigned do these folks not understand?
Rayne, darling. Always good to see you, even if it’s just because you can’t sleep.
I got a new pen today.
A Taccia Continental in “Cracked Ice”. I had a credit at one of the pen sites that I had forgotten about. They notified me that it was about to expire, so I ordered it.
It’s pretty crazy-looking, but it writes like a dream. I’m using PR Blue Suede cartridges in it right now.
TheOtherWA @ 293
Yes, it was followed up. Rummy was found to have an office in Arlington staffed by seven or eight people from the Pentagon–and continuing access to classified info. As I said at the time, I can understand some time to get someone unfamiliar with DoD up to speed, maybe 120 days max, but that period has now expired, so there ought to be some follow-up, particularly if Rummy continues to have access to classified information.
The part that has their privileges revoked.
Alright, gang. It’s nearly 3:00am again. I need to hit the hay.
Good night!
TRex @ 296
Sweet dreams, mighty therapod.
G’nite, TRex.
aliasofwestgate @ 254
Hi, I’m sorta new to the Lake and am just getting to know people here. Plunged in feet first as it were. Leap before you look. You mentioned being a musician. What instrument do you play/what genre?
‘Niters, dear therapod. Dream up something wonderful to write with that groovy new pen!!
Good night, Trex.
Thanks, Montag. That’s what I figured.
Night, T-Rex.
PS–I thought we were going to talk about kittens tonight.
TheOtherWA @ 302
Y’know, one day, someone’s going to write the Unified Field Theory of Neo-Conservatism, and they’ll lock up the guy as a completely paranoid loony….
montag @ 305
Or a National Hero
Kristine @ 305
I have a friend who laid out such a theory for me. Probably he should be locked up. But I learned a lot that might make me subject to the same.
Kristine @ 305
In this country? Not a chance. Too many people with lots of money might risk losing that money….
Yeah, I’m cynical, but reality is responsible for that. When one starts thinking of one’s government as a sophisticated analogue of organized crime, there’s little room left for the belief that justice ultimately prevails. *sigh*
DreamingCrow @
252
In case you check this thread when you wake up, I’m thinking good thoughts in the direction of you and your family. My sons are 6 and 10, and that story with the knife resonates. I hope everybody makes it through ok, and it sounds like they’ve got a great mom on their side.
GSD @
145
Hilarious.
I would guess the great majority of Americans think homosexuality is sinful and yet seem to have no trouble at all with a policy of at least leaving gays alone or even favoring some of the gay agenda; e.g., partnership laws but not marriage though it is no different.
Hypocrisy is in the genes. Catholic doctrine not only forbids abortion as murder but even contraception. Yet very large Catholic families are a rarity these days. Lot of abstinence going on you think? Or a lot of hypocrisizing?
Obama is properly silent on his views on homosexuality if he believes what he professes to. Would that General Pace would keep his gawddam views to himself as well.
Nice post BTW, TRex.
Best, Terry
Re the Neocon unified field theory, this post by Glenn Greenwald is chilling. In a just world, the idea that these people are pulling the strings of power behind the scenes would be dismissed as a loonie conspiracy theory, yet all of the evidence seems to point that way.
The detail that really got to me? One neocon attending wrote that “the President was not at all intimidated by his fifteen or so guests, including…Irwin Stelzer himself.” Woohoo! Way to go! A President so massively endowed with courage that he is not intimidated even by such brilliant intellectual lights as the guy who wrote Why Enron deserves our gratitude. I for one can’t wait until we have Gore back in the WH.
Raph Levien @ 310
Conspiracy theories are discarded when they challenge conventional wisdom. Conventional wisdom is created in the public mind by the media. There are, in fact, conspiracies going on all the time, large and small, all real, all conspiracies, by definition. Some are described as “foreign policy.” :)
Some are, as with Enron, scams, purely and simply. The Enron debacle was helped along by members of government (note, for example, FERC’s assistance to them). Just another conspiracy….
Wow! engagements, birthdays, puns, anthrax, rico, 371, false claims, A*P*C, love, birds, spiders, rats, rule 6(e), owl bingo, iran contra, cat vomit, no zaps and so much more.
Congratulations Suzanne and Happy Birthday EDP…)
Hey, ES, where ya been? I was asking upthread if you were off polishing your wood pitchfork.
Oh Suzanne, It’s such a warm beautiful night I just had to take a walk along the river. I took a few pitchfork photos the other day but the best will come when I have an extra pair of hands around to help set the scene. ‘Twas so nice to have the camera back out. I need to learn how to post stuff online soon. BTW, Thanks for taking photos for Mrs K8 since I am stumped once the photos are on the computer I had no idea how to fulfill her request…)
kirk murphy @
205
Since we’re dreaming a little, maybe we can get the Dem Congress to make the penalties for the crimes of the powerful, rich and corporate crimes like Enron, S&L, BCCI, false intel, tax evasion, embezzlement, (etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum) to be seizure of all assets, just like they do to drug dealers.
Think that wouldn’t stop a lot of this nonsense? I’ve always said it’s the only thing that would make certain parties clean up their acts.
Glad to have been of help, ES. Time for this firepup to head off to bed. G’nite all.
Kristine @ 301
Ah i was a vocalist for most of my public schooll life. I’ve been learning the basics of piano but had to drop that class because of pain issues. I still have my own piano at home to practice on, so i have half a chance ot catch up on my own. It’s convincing the FA people to keep giving me money to continue the courses. Pain issues make me drop classes, FA goes “what are you doing?’ and my medical issue isn’t considered a disability. So i have much wrangling to do. *sighs*
This is tiresome.
#1:
Partnership laws are not the same as marriage.
Marriage brings significant economic preferences (Federal tax law) unavailable to domestic partners: Federal tax codes do not recognize domestic partners as married.
#2:
As for any guess the “great majority” of Americans think homosexuality is sinful – guess again.
A bare 51% of Gallup poll respondents found homosexuality “morally wrong” – see below [May, 2006].
#3:
Tolerance for diversity is a core value at the Lake.
That includes tolerance for religion – or no religion.
Earlier today you wrote:
I’m not certain why you have decided to discharge prejudicial statements about Catholicism into the Lake and our community here.
Regardless of your motives, your actions are disrespectful of many here with sincere religious beliefs.
FDL’s Plame achievements bring unprecedented media and public scrutiny – this very week.
Today – and tommorrow and Friday.
The Reichwing plays the “Defend against attacks on Christianity/ Christmas/ Easter/ “religion” big lie to deflect any effective critics.
Vomiting up anti-Catholic prejudice here just feeds the Reichwing.
Anti-Catholic prejudice here helps wingers to obscure FDL’s message by focusing on one commenter’s religious intolerance.
If you are not a troll, I trust you will cease to defile this place with your anti-Catholic prejudices.
Religious intolerance is despicable, and is also one of the Rethug’s most reliable weapons.
Friends of the Lake and the progressive efforts launched here have no reason to gift the Rethugs with religious intolerance and anti-Catholic diatribes, as to do so is to provide the Rethugs a potent weapon for use against the Lake and progressive efforts.
Off to bed, pups.
Love the Lake.
If anyone tosses trash in, I hope teh skimmers come out quickly.
G’night and goddess bless.
kirk murphy @ 320
kirk murphy @
12
There’s a common thread between the Pakistan situation and the anger at the fired attorneys referred to in Jane’s “King George’s Tea Party”. Don’t piss off the lawyers, who will get together when they think their interests are being harmed.
In the little island here, our excuse for a Government decided last year to let you nice guys extradite anyone you liked . We can’t get anyone from the US unless a US judge agrees.This was of course to aid “the war or terror”. The first guys the new law got were a bunch of British bankers who may, just may, have been involved in an Enron related scam. They certainly broke no British laws and what they did, if they did it, was done in the UK. They went straight to nice US jails (unlike Scooter). Boy, were the lawyers angry!
Do as I say, not as I do:
[From Scientific American:]
http://news.mongabay.com/2007/0313-geothermal.html
http://www.poughkeepsiejournal…..006/NEWS01
Maybe God told him to do it.
This idiot president screws up everything he touches.
Sorry for the OT.
Best, Terry
WASHINGTON, March 14 — Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton foresees a “remaining military as well as political mission” in Iraq, and says that if elected president, she would keep a reduced military force there to fight Al Qaeda, deter Iranian aggression, protect the Kurds and possibly support the Iraqi military.
Imus is not buying the Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confession either!
raven @ 322
Hillary’s an idiot. She’s also thinks she’s part of the ruling elite that think they run the world.
Too bad. If she wins, she’ll make a sorry fuckin’ excuse for the first woman president. A Margaret Thatcher manque.
Good morning, pups. It’s Bobo nattering on about how Democrats are worse at ignoring intelligence reports than Republicans and Bob Herbert on black unemployment. And I still can’t get blockquote to work…
http://mgpaquin.blogspot.com/
Have some coffee or tea, and take a bagel too. Me, I’m off for more tea.
Mornin’ all!
twolf1 @ 329
morning!
NPR interviewing an ex-FBI agent formerly associated with the Joint Terrorism Task Force on the Sheikh Khalid Mohammed transcript released yesterday.
Not one single question about the likelihood that his confession might have been suspect because of either torture or abusive methods. Not one.
Talk about dozens of plots against other targets in NY, about al-Qaeda assassination attempts against Carter and Clinton (about which there’s been no previous information released, ever, to my knowledge).
Only thing said was that there was “corroboration” from “other sources.” What were those sources, and were they, in turn, coerced into verifying Mohammed’s claims?
No questions. Therefore, no answers. This was a guy who was, reportedly, told by interrogators that his family would be killed if he didn’t cooperate, and he said, approximately, “then they will be better off.”
This smells to high heaven–especially given the timing.
Imus now talking to Dobbs–first question: Is Anderson Cooper gay? Then drifts into Simon Cowell and Ryan Seacrest….
Word, Imus…if you say it doesn’t matter, why bring it up?
Or, okay, how about asking your political buddies like Matalin to explain Gannon/Guckert?
Hypocrisy, anyone?
Prairie Sunshine @ 332
Why do you turn him on?
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-559529
a bit EPUd, but worthy of repeating. The difference between the Kennedy and Bush clans is the sense of duty vs. entitlement. Guess where they got it, mom or dad?
Raven @ 333
For the other questions….
He’s been strong on Walter Reed, health issues, environmental issues, etc. that matter to us.
Because out there in MSMLand the a.m. alternatives aren’t great….
‘Morning, FirePups.
Groggy after a highly broken night of sleep — again.
Re: Imus — he did immense damage supporting Lieberman in the primary and election. There is simply not enough he can do to remedy that damage, since the lack of a stronger Dem majority cuts into our ability to provide better funding for vets and cut off funding to the war. Lieberman’s continued existence in the Senate, mouthing Republican neo-con talking points, dilutes Brand Dem and gives the Republicans the ability to say, Look, even Democrats supportus.
I won’t turn on Imus and give him one second of my time because of this matter alone, even if my stepson as a Iraq vet might benefit in any way from his push on Walter Reed.
Morning firepups.
More disgustingness from Plame House (see above, where I talk abotu all the half-drunk bottles of wine I found.”
There was what might be a cockroach nesting in the coffee filter holder when I threw out all the moldy coffee from 10 days of warm DC weather ago.
Mmm-mmm. Special. How’d the place smell, Marcy?
Heh.
Raven (333) & Prairie Sunshine (335)–
Even though Imus (and particulary his producer, Bernard!) can make me nuts, I really appreciate listening to his interviews. There’s something about his style or the fact that most guests are on the phone that leads to some pretty honest discussion. And even though I have issues with frequent guests like Russert, being able to hear them speak frankly is often insightful.
And FWIW, he had Mary Matalin on the other day and I made myself listen. Because of his strong stance on the Walter Reed debacle and his attentiveness to the Libby trial, he actually did an excellent job challenging her. There she was shilling for Scooter’s legal fund and he kept after her — why wasn’t she raising funds for the injured soldiers who, btw, had been injured by the war that *she* helped Shooter, Scooter & Rumsfeld start?
And he’s continued to ridicule her in the days since!
(Another thing I picked up on in that interview was yet another hint of the chubby DC crowd. She made references to Russert’s kids as if they’re all part of the same happy playgroup. And don’t forget that’s where Andrea Mitchell tipped her hand WRT Libby talking points. When I listen carefully, I often hear interesting truths come out.)
Cheers–
Nola Sue @ 339
Boy…there was some deep politick right there. Was that a way to say, Hey, whatever I said about Russert, just good fun, it’s all in the family…
Or a way to remind Russert he’s touchable?
Speaking of Mitchell, has there been a sighting lately? Or has she joined Jim Nicholson among “The Disappeared”?
If they think the old playbook of taking people offstage for a while as they toss out their shiny objects, sorry guys, America’s not gonna buy that ol’ carny routine anymore.
Nola Sue @
339
I agree. . .like totally!
new thread upstairs
Thanks, twolf1! Haven’t said that in a while. Kind of nice to have somebody looking out for us.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03…..uhasz.html