
Talk about your blasts from the past. The Carpetbagger Report alerts us to the fact that Iraqi scientist and intelligence source "Curveball", one of the coterie of singing stooges recruited by Ahmed Chalabi to fool the US into invading Iraq has surfaced in Germany. Isn't it nice to hear from old friends?
"Curveball", as you may recall, provided United States Intelligence operatives with crucial (i.e., "completley false") information regarding Saddam Hussein's mobile weapons labs, his stockpiles of nukes, and imminent plans to attack the US, and also provided the backbone of Colin Powell's now-discredited presentation to the UN.
Oh, yeah. That guy.
I mention this, of course, because ABC News has tracked down “Curveball,” the Iraqi defector who told U.S. officials bogus stories about Saddam Hussein’s non-existent arsenal, including WMD, “mobile biological weapons labs,” aluminum tubes, etc. Curveball’s claims were the centerpiece of Colin Powell’s presentation to the United Nations, the crux of which has since been exposed as false. In this new ABC report, the network turns its attention back to Drumheller.
“People died because of this,” said Tyler Drumheller, the former chief of European operations at the CIA, who has written about it in a new book, “On the Brink.” “All off this one little guy who all he wanted to do was stay in Germany.” Drumheller says he personally redacted all references to Curveball material in an advance draft of the Powell speech.
“We said, ‘This is from Curveball. Don’t use this,’” Drumheller says…. Drumheller also says he met personally with the then-deputy director of the CIA, John McLaughlin, to raise questions about the reliability of Curveball, well before the Powell speech.
“And John said, ‘Oh my, I hope not. You know this is all we have,’ and I said, ‘This can’t be all we have.’ I said, ‘There must be another, there must be something else.’ And he said, ‘No, this is really the only tangible thing we have.’”
In other words, even though this source was thoroughly discredited and his testimony proven to be suspicious at best, the administration, lacking any other justification for hostilities against Iraq, used the bogus intel anyway. "This is all we have"?! Didn't anybody think that might have been a great reason to sit back and think for a moment before we launched a war? I mean, how hard is it to say, "Huh. Well, the only source we have that indicates that Saddam has an active nuclear weapons program has been proven to be an unreliable fraud. Maybe an invasion can wait until we know a little more."?
But nooooooooo. They sent Colin Powell right up there in front of God, the United Nations, and everybody to present a speech that they knew was patently false.
And Colin Powell was the alleged "conscience" of this administration?! HUH?!
Dude, a bunch of dogs playing poker could have planned and executed this war better than the Bush administration. This has just been one cascading set of errors after another, all built on lies and the Bush Dynasty's family vendetta against Saddam Hussein and a deep and abiding lust for all that sweet, sweet, black, luscious Iraqi oil. Mmmmmm, ooiiiiilllll.
I remember when the few of us who dared to stand up against the war in 2003 kept saying, "No blood for oil!" and all the Wingnuts spat back in our faces, "You stupid liberals don't know what you're talking about! This is not about the oil! It's about 9/11 and the safety of Americans both here and abroad! It's about standing up to the terrorists! You're just a treasonous little traitor, aren't you? You want more 9/11's! You may as well have killed those heroic men and women of the New York City police and fire departments yourself!"
Goddammit. I think the most frustrating thing about the last six or so years is that the people we've been up against have been so motherfucking stupid. You've got your Michael Ledeens and your O'Bierne clan, and your Michelle ("Cavewoman") Malkins and Hugh Hewitts, well...if brains were TNT, the NeoCon cabal wouldn't be able to assemble enough between them to blow their nose, let alone win any kind of Decisive Ideological Conflict of Our Time.
Please tell me it's going to end soon.
Admittedly, this isn’t entirely new, but once in a while, I’ll still hear someone claim that there were “intelligence failures,” which led the White House to get the entire basis for the war wrong. What this explanation neglects to mention is that these “failures” were practically intentional. Officials had a source, they were told the source was unreliable, but they believed what they wanted to believe.
As Kevin Drum summarized, “They knew Saddam didn’t have a nuclear program. They knew he didn’t have mobile bio labs. They knew he didn’t have drones. They knew.”
History will not be kind.
No, it most certainly will not. But frankly, I'd like to see some of that hard, cold, unforgiving assessment of our current situation brought to bear on the Bush administration now, right NOW.
Fortunately, I'm not holding my breath.
COULTER UPDATE: Nine papers have dumped her column now. Keep those cards and letters coming, kids!!
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TRex !!
t’s in the house!
Update on Steve Gilliard here.
Light a virtual candle here.
TRex!
Jane!
Steve Gilliard!
Not only did they knew it was bogus information, but — if they’d effing paid attention to the Clinton-commissioned Desert Crossing wargame exercise, instead of suppressing the results for six years, they’d have known that they couldn’t have won in Iraq even with three times the troops they used to invade.
They didn’t just lie to us, they lied to themselves. But they’re so filthy rich they were able to insulate themselves from the consequences of their immature stupidity.
That is, until now.
Evening, TRex. 9 is a very good beginning to the end of the Coultergeist.
***!!!Rawrrr!!!***
***!Chomp!*!Chomp!*!Chomp!***
I deed no cough that up.
I would remember eet eef I had.
so.
Bye bue Ann Coulter - it was truly awful knowing ya.
!El Gato Negro! @
7
No, no, his name is “Curveball”, not “Hairball”.
When I was really small, I was on a bus from Pittsburgh to Albany. The wheels did come off the bus. It was a big adventure. I waited and waited with my mom.
Then a new bus came.
I think it’s time for the new bus.
Actually, TRex, dogs are a lot better poker players than cats, and cats could beat these guys. Neocons with TNT for brains? I wish!
Kinda OT and kinda on-topic -
from the Islamic nation that already has nukes.
Who controls Pakistan’s nukes when Musharraf falls?
Frustrating only begins to describe it. It kind of reminds me of that 1988 SNL debate skit between Dukakis and Bush I, where Bush gives a non-sequitur filled “1000 points of light” answer to a question, and the moderator asks Dukakis for his response: “I can’t believe I’m losing to this guy.”
Nothing but lying asses. They have no shame.
Speaking of working the refs — did anyone else hear David Gergen say on AC360 tonight that he got lots and lots of emails about his comment that the Bush Administration’s six years have been scandal-free?
He amended his comment and said that Scooter’s felony convictions were the first tangible evidence that there were penalties for scandal in the Bush Administration. Or something. But he acknowledged hearing from us! Do ya think we burned up the Kennedy School servers with our blistery emails?
Hey TRex.
Thanks a heap. Thot I was gonna sleep tonite till I read yer revelations here.
Seriously, what hasn’t the administration messed up? That’d be a much shorter, easier list.
And for comic relief from Iraq, we have Gonzo & some apologist tonight explaining that that lil’ judicial kerfuffle was, according to the latter, simply a problem resulting from the fact that they “didn’t have their ducks all in a row” before going to Congress with their, um,
storieslies.Didn’t their mommies ever tell ‘em it’s so-o-o much easier if they just tell the truth?
Fire/Impeach/Convict the lot, not necessarily in that order! ENOUGH!
Alison @ 10,
We can only hope and pray that the driver of the next bus has a brain.
Mod blocker warning - apparently you can’t use neocon and brains in the same sentence. If you do, your comment goes into moderation. Nobody noticed before now, because we’d never used those words in the same sentence.
Or maybe it was T*T…
OMG… my daughter just got engaged
Same lies being peddled about Iran by the same group of idiots - how ridiculously stupid do they think people are, these Straussian neo-cons?
Where are the Washington Democrats on this issue?
Caving in, not even able to tack on an amendment to restrict this rogue administration from starting another illegal, immoral war.
And Senator Obama, you have lost the possibility of support from the AIPAC neo-cons for mentioning Palestinian suffering, maybe now you can take the “option” of criminal aggression off the table in future speeches?
Suzanne @ 18
Congratulations!
Great Post. I would love to see a post that ties the lies of the 1st Gulf War to the lies of this Iraq war. (The fake Babies in incubators story, false satellite pictures given to Saudi Arabia, the false testimony to congress by the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador, etc.)
OOPS! Comment @ 17 is from woodguy. And I was complaining about a lack of brains. DOY!
Suzanne @ 18
*ding*
Suzanne @
19
Do you like him? I’m standing here making stew with Stu, my daughter’s BF. I like him.
First tangible evidence.
Somehow I like the sound of that. Kinda like the first tap on one of those three mile long domino thingies.
Same lies being peddled about Iran by the same group of idiots - how ridiculously stupid do they think people are, these Straussian neo-cons?
Where are the Washington Democrats on this issue?
Caving in, not even able to tack on an amendment to restrict this rogue administration from starting another illegal, immoral war.
And Senator Obama, you have lost the possibility of support from the AIPAC neo-cons for mentioning Palestinian suffering, maybe now you can take the “option” of criminal aggression off the table in future speeches?
She just called and he proposed during dessert after dinner at her dad’s house. She is going to send me pictures…. doing snoopy dance :)
ok - taking deep breaths - ok, now where were we - oh yeah, cat vomit
Alicia @ 19
and congratulations again - blessings!
Suzanne @ 19
HOORAY!!
sorry, folks, i’m freeing that which gets trapped by the filters, words like p*ker, cas*no, etc tend to get caught. bear with me for a minute and then everyone refresh the page
Lovely, TRex.
In October, 2002 I was one of 100,000 or so who marched in D.C. against the plans and wishes of the bush cabal. It is striking to think back to that day and realize that everything we predicted has come true, that everything we said has turned out to be correct, and that in the small town in Iowa where I live there are people I know who still don’t have a freaking clue. I don’t know whether more blame attaches to the television or the church, but this is a profoundly more stupid country than the one I grew up in. There are signs we’re making headway in this particular battle, but the future looks very bleak.
Suzanne @ 18
My grandson is 10 years old. Your daughter and her fiance will be amazed at how fast that happens.
MarkH, left you a note at the end of the last thread.
ET—or it might be that establishments that offer various games of chance also like to send lots of spam.
Her fiance comes with two daughters, 7 and 9 I think (gosh, I’m gonna have to know that kinda stuff now). Built in grandkids who live in Alaska.
Suzanne @ 37
(gently prodding) you have yet to answer the question of whether you like him…
;-)
Phoenix Woman@5
Do you have a link to that wargame result?
I am outraged, I just got off the phone with my daughter who is leaving the nest next week and I am filled with sorrow and anger in equal measures, that she is leaving and that she has to experience the horrible consequences of these lies. My kids are a driving force in my life, my interest in politics has only to do with what it does to humanity, I care not a whit for the lot of them, to me they are nothing but fools-how else do you explain the mess we are in. It is all disgusting and my natural reaction to this is extreme whitehot anger hence these words written in a setting of people who are as concerned as I.
My best to Steve who I am not familiar with but
I care
And Jane as said in my email you guys are special.. the best to you.
Anyone know anything more about this?
Fitzgerald tells Congress he can’t say much about CIA leak
sorry, yes I like Mike. He is a Coastie, yanno.
TRex @ 30
As did mine..something going on
Suzanne @ 40
there’s 2 steps in the right direction!
she may be moving around a lot if he’s making a career of it…
Suzanne @ 41
I bet tonight he’ll be a toastie coastie…;)
OC, he will have his 20 done in 09 and he plans on retiring then. He is 37 and Jen will be 30 in June.
RBG @
36
And I was sure there as a blocker out there that kept you from making posts with neo-con and brains in the same sentence. should be.
Suzanne @ 44
that sounds like the way to do it… if he’s been in since he was 17, he’s got some pretty good “steady” about him… that takes some patience and some sense…
What will it take to bring this corrupt criminal regime down? It seems like George W. Bush could hold up the severed, bleeding head of John Conyers and the faithful would say, “So? Clinton lied about a BJ!”
How bad does it have to get?
Renee
Thanks for the link to the update on Steve, though I wish the news were better.
Suzanne @
19
felicitations!
Ed*ard Teller @
25
Stew Live Crew
From the link, we have Barry Locher, editor of the Springfield State Journal-Register, who decided to keep the hag:
Virtually more than half said to can her scrawny ass, but that wasn’t good enough for Locher. Oh, and how about that “…nor in the work of…” line? Has Ted Rall been writing hate speech lately? So why imply that anybody except Coulter is under the microscope here?
What a crap peddler Barry Locher is.
Gosh, poor Gilliard. I am sending prayers to him and his family for a full and speedy recovery.
Maddy @ 41
It’s my birthday. Some people call me the Space Cowboy…some call me the gangster of love.
Happy Birthday, Doctor Puma!!!
TRex @ 55
Happy Birthday, gangster of love!
(delurking) wombat, i’m still making comments in the last thread lol!
TRex @ 54
Thanks. Y’know, 39 is a lot like 38.
beaming out best wishes for Mr. Gilliard
Fitzgerald’s response letter to Waxman is posted…pdf. not legible for me…
punaise @ 51
If he makes cake later, you can call him Stu da’ Baker
Yikes, I’m still awake!
Peterr @ 55
Thanks, Preacher. Good post earlier. I told you so there, but you deserve to be told again.
EvilDrPuma @ 54
love those beaches, shake those trees
Just checking out stuff at Down with Tyranny, Howie is a on a tear and had has a great photo part away down the page.
EDP talking about the pompitous of love
Peterr @ 56
Maurice!
bonkers @ 61
ding!
Happy Birthday/Pi Day, EDP
Renee in Ohio @
3
Done, thanks for the reminder and the link to the update.
here is another vomit inducing piece of information from C&L
The Claremont Institute, a rightwing think tank, is awarding their 2007 Sir Winston S. Churchill Statesmanship Award at a gala dinner this November. To Donald Rumsfeld
http://www.crooksandliars.com/.....hread-423/
newspaperbrat @ 8
Buenos noches, Don Gato! Lovely as always to see you.
Suzanne @ 67
Thank you 3.1415926535897932384626433832795… times over!
Maybe a bit heavy for late night, but I work all day, and only read at night.
This description seems apt not only for wingnuts, but for a lot of normally sane people who were driven over the edge by 9/11 and the ridiculous media exploitation, and the utter lack of context to enable people to grasp the enormity of the event, and maybe for a host of other reasons. One of the points Hannah Arendt makes in The Origins of Totalitarianism, is that people driven to extremes lose a large part of their normal socialization, and even their consciences, and only do the things that they think are necessary to survive. I have been thinking that may help explain the national mood here, not quite like the hurricane Arendt describes, but maybe like a really heavy windstorm that made a lot of us a little crazy. Michael Moore’s Bowling for Columbine points out that we are steeped in violence about which we cannot do anything, constantly bombarded by images of uncontrollable things trying to hurt us.
This atmosphere reinforced the fears raised by an attack by unseen forces, and may have acted to reduce our sense of security to the point that many of us thought that there was merit in the argument that “the Constitution is not a suicide pact”, and that it was somehow applicable to the situation. I know that there are many people who didn’t lose sight of the Constitution, but maybe that was one of the things that so many of lost track of in the firestorm.
The firestorm was not big enough to last, it wore off, as there were no more attacks, and people are returning to their normal lives, like waking up from a horrible dream. Maybe that explains Jane Hamsher’s broker.
Ed*ard Teller @ 11
Hmmph. Dogs can’t bluff. The cats made me write this.
Um…all hail PaTRex. He has just called me to let me know that his plan to fix me up with Keith Strickland, the guitarist from the B-52’s, has just moved into the next phase. We’re all going out for drinks on Friday night.
Whoo-hooo!
I’ll marry a rock star. No problem!
Suzanne @ 37
I hope this gentleman knows how lucky he is. Congrats!
k.
TRex - shhhh! you’ll jinx it
masaccio @ 73
Until they decide to execute the next “terrorist attack.”
EvilDrPuma @ 54
Happy Birthday, Maurice!
TRex @ 75
Love Shack, baby!
EvilDrPuma @ 62
Thank you, EDP. I wish I could say I had fun writing it, but all in all, I’d rather not have folks like Pace in positions of authority to begin with.
Tin Roof. Rusted.
Ed*ard Teller @
18
Ah, I believe the offending word was p*ker.
bonkers @ 79
Heh.
Indeed.
They’re in town working on their new album and my brother is their drum tech.
Keith Strickland is soooo tall and soooooo handsome.
Suzanne @
19
Cool! You can give her a ladder!
melfeasance @ 40
That HuffPo link doesn’t contain the key paragraph at the end of Fitz’s letter. Fitz reminds Waxman that he’s laid it all out there and points out numerous places to look to pick up the trail.
I think it’s time Mr. Waxman and Mrs. Wheeler had a chat.
TRex @ 83
Does he read FDL?
Peterr @ 56
Happy Birthday, Doctor Gangster and Cowboy of Love!
Peterr @ 80
Well, that’s why it needed writing, isn’t it? This is why real news isn’t a stream of happy pap about freshly-painted schoolhouses.
Funny thing, I always thought Pace was in the closet ever since he’s been in the public eye, and now he’s confirmed it for me with his self-loathing out in the open. Just like the military guy in “American Beauty.” Sad.
woodguy @
23
Hmm, I’m a dendrophile, what kind of wood?
TRex @ 84
I’ll be lighting a Good Vibrations candle for you, big dino.
Alicia @ 85
I doubt it. But, hey, he may start.
Okay, gang. It’s a grocery store night. Gotta go. I should be back around in about an hour.
Sid’s up at salon.com:
Enjoy the Piggly Wiggly, TRex. I still think they must have a cute butcher working the evening shift.
Great post.
And great job taking the lead on Coulter, TRex. Eight papers? That’s amazing.
Alicia @ 87
If he is worthy of our beloved TRex he does, or at least will start.
So does anyone remember when the Democrats and the party faithful had the gumption to go to the polls and vote for Ned Lamont over Joe Lieberman?
Remember how that was the “Pol Pot” wing of the party “purging” someone who didn’t agree with everything the far-left fringe believed.
Now we have an unprecedented gang-firing of USA’s because they were unwilling to put their reputations on the line by pushing bogus prosecutions against political enemies and the good pundits like David Brooks and the rest of the tools in the box think this is just “politics as usual”.
Strange days indeed.
-GSD
Bonkers @ 78
I agree, another attack here might be a real problem, but the Iraq disaster has, I pray, inoculated us against more unprovoked wars. Like Iran.
Jane Hamsher @ 92
9 now, Jane. Coulter Update at the bottom of his post.
Oh yeah, also the partisan Bush/Rove USA plot. Has Concensus Joe Lieberman chimed in about this partisan effort on the Bush team?
I mean Joe Lieberman could have rearranged the chairs for the prosecutors in order to stave off a partisan attack from Rove’s pasty assed messenger boy.
Joe should be tsk-tsking quite heavily at these tactics of Rove. So mean, so, so, partisan.
-GSD
Blumenthal: And it is implausible that Sampson, the latest designated fall guy, was responsible for an elaborate bureaucratic coup d’etat.
Sampson and de lie’ll, uh…
(oh hell, never mind)
Jane Hamsher @ 96
It looks like Trex is doing this gig just to impress tall and handsome rock stars!
Maddy @
42
Spring.
GSD @98 and 101: good points
kirk murphy @ 88
You, and your Pompitious, too
EvilDrPuma @ 57
EvilDrPuma, I hope this was/is a good day for you. All the best.
punaise @ 101
hehe
Did you hear that Brad Delp’s death was determined to be a suicide?
-GSD