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		<title>By: Tom The Patriot</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/14/its-our-due/#comment-561453</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom The Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm&quot;&gt;Time to Declare Independence!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm">Time to Declare Independence!</a></p>
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		<title>By: aqualung</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/14/its-our-due/#comment-561058</link>
		<dc:creator>aqualung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The rest of your reply is a lot of paranoid and hysterical nonsense….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, Mr. Black, take each one of my statements, and with facts and not spin, address each of them.  No bullshit, no Foxaganda talking points.  Address each and every one, and prove that they are paranoid (???) and hysterical (you are the hysterical one) and nonsense.  This you cannot do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The GOP maintains power by breaking the law.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rest of your reply is a lot of paranoid and hysterical nonsense….</p>
<p>Now, Mr. Black, take each one of my statements, and with facts and not spin, address each of them.  No bullshit, no Foxaganda talking points.  Address each and every one, and prove that they are paranoid (???) and hysterical (you are the hysterical one) and nonsense.  This you cannot do.</p>
<p>The GOP maintains power by breaking the law.</p>
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		<title>By: David Black</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/14/its-our-due/#comment-560882</link>
		<dc:creator>David Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;“I want to make clear that there is an opposition in America and that we are ready to take power and that when we do, we are going to have much better relationships with them.”&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is a quote from DNC chair Hward Dean.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Apologies for posting this twice, because my first attempt did not make it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Note the use of the word POWER. Can anyone say that the Dems are any different from the GOP? It’s all about acquiring and maintaining power. The GOP does it by coddling big business, the Dems do it by coddling the poor and minorities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If I’m going to put my money on a winning horse, it wouldn’t be on the poor and minorities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Note Dean’s use of the word RELATIONSHIPS, which is a euphemism for cronyism in this case. The GOP sucks up to Vincente Fox. The Dems suck up to Kofi Annan. What’s the difference?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>“I want to make clear that there is an opposition in America and that we are ready to take power and that when we do, we are going to have much better relationships with them.”</b></p>
<p>This is a quote from DNC chair Hward Dean.</p>
<p>Apologies for posting this twice, because my first attempt did not make it.</p>
<p>Note the use of the word POWER. Can anyone say that the Dems are any different from the GOP? It’s all about acquiring and maintaining power. The GOP does it by coddling big business, the Dems do it by coddling the poor and minorities.</p>
<p>If I’m going to put my money on a winning horse, it wouldn’t be on the poor and minorities.</p>
<p>Note Dean’s use of the word RELATIONSHIPS, which is a euphemism for cronyism in this case. The GOP sucks up to Vincente Fox. The Dems suck up to Kofi Annan. What’s the difference?</p>
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		<title>By: David Black</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/14/its-our-due/#comment-560268</link>
		<dc:creator>David Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In politics, it’s all about acquiring and maintaining power. The GOP does it by coddling big business, the Dems do it by coddling the poor and minorities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If I’m going to put my money on a winning horse, it wouldn’t be on the poor and minorities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have to laugh at those who invest their dreams and hopes on what the government must do to ensure their prosperity or happiness.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In politics, it’s all about acquiring and maintaining power. The GOP does it by coddling big business, the Dems do it by coddling the poor and minorities.</p>
<p>If I’m going to put my money on a winning horse, it wouldn’t be on the poor and minorities.</p>
<p>I have to laugh at those who invest their dreams and hopes on what the government must do to ensure their prosperity or happiness.</p>
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		<title>By: TiredFed</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/14/its-our-due/#comment-560249</link>
		<dc:creator>TiredFed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;now, now, jethro, you know you’re not supposed to feed them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now, now, jethro, you know you’re not supposed to feed them.</p>
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		<title>By: David Black</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/14/its-our-due/#comment-560238</link>
		<dc:creator>David Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-560164&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;aqualung @&lt;br /&gt;
                216              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I guess David Black @ 214 believes in crony capitalism (e.g. Enron, Abramoff, Halliburton), lying to the American people, torture and suspension of habeas corpus and other fundamental civil rights.  I guess he believes in the treasonous exposing of a confidential CIA operative working on WMDs.  I guess he believes in pork barrell spending run amok (higher than it’s ever been under Bush and the GOP), borrowing and spending (Bush has borrowed more from foreign interests than all previous 42 presidents COMBINED!), voter fraud (i.e. the New Hampshire GOP phone jamming crimes, among others), the infinite expansion of the federal government, the perversion of science and scientific inquiry, and the criminalization of private behavior between consenting adults.  I’m sure there is much more that David believes.  Glad he’s a member of a very small minorty in this country.  I’m sure he’d feel more comfortable in Berlin, circa 1933.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What a shame that here’s another leftist oriented blog whose regulars can’t refrain from personally attacking a poster whom they disagree with. If you want a pissing match, Mr. Aqualung, fine, but it’s not going to advance or validate your agenda. It will only degrade it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Valerie Plame was a low level operative and her “outing” was, in reality, of minimal consequence. Pork barrel spending is not exclusive to the GOP. I need only cite Teddy Kennedy’s “Big Dig” as an example.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The rest of your reply is a lot of hysterical and paranoid nonsense. Voter fraud has been proven to have minimal impact on elections.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.demos.org/page197.cfm&quot;&gt;http://www.demos.org/page197.cfm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I note that you say nothing about the trillions of dollars wasted on the so-called War on Poverty since 1964. That’s 43 years of goverment spending vs. the War on Islamo-fascism, which has only been conducted since 2002. The fact is that poverty and its adjuncts still exist. Islamo-fascism is a real and viable threat to American security and American interests. America has not been attacked by Islamo-fascists since 2001, so that in itself is a clear and viable result.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The movement to deny gay marriage is not “criminalization.” Get your terminology corrected and stop dealing in hyperbole.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-560164"><em>aqualung @<br />
                216              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I guess David Black @ 214 believes in crony capitalism (e.g. Enron, Abramoff, Halliburton), lying to the American people, torture and suspension of habeas corpus and other fundamental civil rights.  I guess he believes in the treasonous exposing of a confidential CIA operative working on WMDs.  I guess he believes in pork barrell spending run amok (higher than it’s ever been under Bush and the GOP), borrowing and spending (Bush has borrowed more from foreign interests than all previous 42 presidents COMBINED!), voter fraud (i.e. the New Hampshire GOP phone jamming crimes, among others), the infinite expansion of the federal government, the perversion of science and scientific inquiry, and the criminalization of private behavior between consenting adults.  I’m sure there is much more that David believes.  Glad he’s a member of a very small minorty in this country.  I’m sure he’d feel more comfortable in Berlin, circa 1933.</p>
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<p>What a shame that here’s another leftist oriented blog whose regulars can’t refrain from personally attacking a poster whom they disagree with. If you want a pissing match, Mr. Aqualung, fine, but it’s not going to advance or validate your agenda. It will only degrade it.</p>
<p>Valerie Plame was a low level operative and her “outing” was, in reality, of minimal consequence. Pork barrel spending is not exclusive to the GOP. I need only cite Teddy Kennedy’s “Big Dig” as an example.</p>
<p>The rest of your reply is a lot of hysterical and paranoid nonsense. Voter fraud has been proven to have minimal impact on elections.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.demos.org/page197.cfm">http://www.demos.org/page197.cfm</a></p>
<p>I note that you say nothing about the trillions of dollars wasted on the so-called War on Poverty since 1964. That’s 43 years of goverment spending vs. the War on Islamo-fascism, which has only been conducted since 2002. The fact is that poverty and its adjuncts still exist. Islamo-fascism is a real and viable threat to American security and American interests. America has not been attacked by Islamo-fascists since 2001, so that in itself is a clear and viable result.</p>
<p>The movement to deny gay marriage is not “criminalization.” Get your terminology corrected and stop dealing in hyperbole.</p>
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		<title>By: aqualung</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/14/its-our-due/#comment-560164</link>
		<dc:creator>aqualung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I guess David Black @ 214 believes in crony capitalism (e.g. Enron, Abramoff, Halliburton), lying to the American people, torture and suspension of habeas corpus and other fundamental civil rights.  I guess he believes in the treasonous exposing of a confidential CIA operative working on WMDs.  I guess he believes in pork barrell spending run amok (higher than it’s ever been under Bush and the GOP), borrowing and spending (Bush has borrowed more from foreign interests than all previous 42 presidents COMBINED!), voter fraud (i.e. the New Hampshire GOP phone jamming crimes, among others), the infinite expansion of the federal government, the perversion of science and scientific inquiry, and the criminalization of private behavior between consenting adults.  I’m sure there is much more that David believes.  Glad he’s a member of a very small minorty in this country.  I’m sure he’d feel more comfortable in Berlin, circa 1933.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess David Black @ 214 believes in crony capitalism (e.g. Enron, Abramoff, Halliburton), lying to the American people, torture and suspension of habeas corpus and other fundamental civil rights.  I guess he believes in the treasonous exposing of a confidential CIA operative working on WMDs.  I guess he believes in pork barrell spending run amok (higher than it’s ever been under Bush and the GOP), borrowing and spending (Bush has borrowed more from foreign interests than all previous 42 presidents COMBINED!), voter fraud (i.e. the New Hampshire GOP phone jamming crimes, among others), the infinite expansion of the federal government, the perversion of science and scientific inquiry, and the criminalization of private behavior between consenting adults.  I’m sure there is much more that David believes.  Glad he’s a member of a very small minorty in this country.  I’m sure he’d feel more comfortable in Berlin, circa 1933.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn in MA</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/14/its-our-due/#comment-560109</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathryn in MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Goood morning, Eli - its “Winner Take All”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: David Black</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/14/its-our-due/#comment-560108</link>
		<dc:creator>David Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-559578&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Eli @&lt;br /&gt;
                64              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-559575&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 62&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The question remains. What is a mainstream Democrat?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A mainstream Democrat believes in Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, a social safety net in general, protecting the environment, balanced budgets, science, education, choice, gay marriage, rule of law, staying out of idiotic wars, and actually protecting us against terrorist attacks instead of just using it as an excuse to accumulate absolute power.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A social safety net? Why not create a system where the government doesn’t assume that they are better managers of your health and wealth than you are?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Environment, science, education? Don’t you mean junk science based on hysteria and unsubstantiated claims? As for education, that’s why vouchers are necessary. Private schools and home schooling are our children’s only salvation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Gay marriage? Trash a traditional institution in favor of sanctioning immorality? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Idiotic” Wars? So policy should now be based on subjective judgments of cowardly peaceniks?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Protecting us against attacks? Has the USA been attacked since 9/11? No. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Democrats don’t run on tangible ideas, but rather as the anti-GOP party. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please don’t lecture me on accumulating and perpetuating power. The Democrat Party has done a great job of that since 1933 with the New Deal, the Great Society, etc, or any other liberal social program that enslaves underclasses and ensures a voting bloc.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-559578"><em>Eli @<br />
                64              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-559575"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 62</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The question remains. What is a mainstream Democrat?</p>
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<p>A mainstream Democrat believes in Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, a social safety net in general, protecting the environment, balanced budgets, science, education, choice, gay marriage, rule of law, staying out of idiotic wars, and actually protecting us against terrorist attacks instead of just using it as an excuse to accumulate absolute power.</p>
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<p>A social safety net? Why not create a system where the government doesn’t assume that they are better managers of your health and wealth than you are?</p>
<p>Environment, science, education? Don’t you mean junk science based on hysteria and unsubstantiated claims? As for education, that’s why vouchers are necessary. Private schools and home schooling are our children’s only salvation.</p>
<p>Gay marriage? Trash a traditional institution in favor of sanctioning immorality? </p>
<p>“Idiotic” Wars? So policy should now be based on subjective judgments of cowardly peaceniks?</p>
<p>Protecting us against attacks? Has the USA been attacked since 9/11? No. </p>
<p>Democrats don’t run on tangible ideas, but rather as the anti-GOP party. </p>
<p>Please don’t lecture me on accumulating and perpetuating power. The Democrat Party has done a great job of that since 1933 with the New Deal, the Great Society, etc, or any other liberal social program that enslaves underclasses and ensures a voting bloc.</p>
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		<title>By: dmg</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/14/its-our-due/#comment-560099</link>
		<dc:creator>dmg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-560092&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;aqualung @ 211 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;When you don’t believe in government, it’s a small jump to say, “well, the government is the problem so we’ll simply ignore good government practices and use our power to aggrandize ourselves and our pals and cronies.”  So, the whole notion of separation of powers, oversight, an independent judiciary, etc. is trashed in favor of blatant abuses of power.  The GOP philosophy in a nutshell.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;sorry i missed this post and this comment thread yesterday.&lt;br /&gt;
what is coming out now, in these almost daily scandals, is merely the inevitable fruition of an antigovernmental philosophy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;why should we expect competence in running a government from people who have proclaimed their hatred of government, and can see very few if any legitimate governmental functions to defend?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;hope the dem candidates, whoever they are, keep pounding this like a drum, that they stand for effective government, and the republicans DON’T. “They have told us that they don’t, and look what happens.”&lt;br /&gt;
bill clinton was effective using this in the 90s: no more government than we need, but every bit of it run for the benefit of the people.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-560092"><em>aqualung @ 211 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>When you don’t believe in government, it’s a small jump to say, “well, the government is the problem so we’ll simply ignore good government practices and use our power to aggrandize ourselves and our pals and cronies.”  So, the whole notion of separation of powers, oversight, an independent judiciary, etc. is trashed in favor of blatant abuses of power.  The GOP philosophy in a nutshell.</p>
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<p>sorry i missed this post and this comment thread yesterday.<br />
what is coming out now, in these almost daily scandals, is merely the inevitable fruition of an antigovernmental philosophy.</p>
<p>why should we expect competence in running a government from people who have proclaimed their hatred of government, and can see very few if any legitimate governmental functions to defend?</p>
<p>hope the dem candidates, whoever they are, keep pounding this like a drum, that they stand for effective government, and the republicans DON’T. “They have told us that they don’t, and look what happens.”<br />
bill clinton was effective using this in the 90s: no more government than we need, but every bit of it run for the benefit of the people.</p>
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