So let me see if I have this straight: Dubya's mendacious munchkin, AG-Squared, is embroiled in at least two major scandals, and his chief of staff has just resigned. He promptly calls a press conference to… take full responsibility for mishandling something that he insists wasn't improper anyway?
And just how contrite is the wee fiery-pantsed one? AP offers up this masterpiece of passive voice, more excessively qualified than Al Gore, DMV Clerk:
Obviously I am concerned about the fact that information — incomplete information was communicated or may have been communicated to the Congress. I believe very strongly in our obligation to ensure that when we provide information to the Congress, it is accurate and it is complete. And I am very dismayed that that may not have occurred here.
That's not even "Mistakes were made" – it's more like "Mistakes may have been made. Maybe. Possibly. I dunno." Gonzales is presumably referring to his deputy's December testimony (under oath) that neither the White House nor politics had anything to do with the massacre. But the massacre itself is totally cool: "I stand by the decision, and I think it was the right decision." Even if he didn't know anything about it:
As we can all imagine, in an organization of 110,000 people, I am not aware of every bit of information that passes through the halls of the Department of Justice, nor am I aware of all decisions.
Way to assume responsibility there, Gonzo.
Which begs The Libby Question: If there was no underlying crime, why lie? Is it really worth committing perjury (or making your deputy commit perjury on your behalf) just to save your boss from political embarrassment? And why evade responsibility at the same time you're supposedly taking it?
Speaking of evading responsibility…
Last October, President Bush spoke with Mr. Gonzales to pass along concerns by Republicans that some prosecutors were not aggressively addressing voter fraud, the White House said Monday….
The president did not call for the removal of any specific United States attorneys, Dana Perino, a White House spokeswoman, said Monday. She said she had “no indication” that the president had been personally aware that a process was already under way to identify prosecutors who would be fired.
But Ms. Perino disclosed that White House officials had consulted with the Justice Department in preparing the list of United States attorneys who would be removed.
Within a few weeks of the president’s comments to the attorney general, the Justice Department forced out seven prosecutors.
Previously, the White House had said that Mr. Bush’s aides approved the list of prosecutors only after it was compiled.
But, at the same time that the White House is trying to cover up their involvement…
“We continue to believe that the decision to remove and replace U.S. attorneys who serve at the pleasure of the president was perfectly appropriate and within our discretion,” Ms. Perino said.
So if the firings aren't fishy, shouldn't The Deciderer be puffing out his chest and telling us what hard work it is to make all those hard decisions? Again, if there's no crime, why the coverup? Habit?
This all started with Harriet "Number One Fan" Miers suggesting to Gonzo's recently ex-chief of staff Sampson that it would be brilliant and kicky to just whack all the US Attorneys to reign ring in Bush's second term, and Sampson (with a little help from Rove) bargaining her down from 93 to 8. Unfortunately:
The [memos and e-mails Sampson turned over to Congress] did not provide a clear motive for the firings. Some suggested that department officials were dissatisfied with specific prosecutors, but none cited aggressive public corruption inquiries or failure to pursue voter fraud cases as an explicit reason to remove them.
But "We need to get rid of Lam before she takes down Foggo" is probably not the sort of communication that you want to have on record anywhere.
What I personally believe went down is that Dubya told Harriet and Gonzo "Get rid of any Attorneys who aren't playing ball, but keep me out of it. And if you can find a way to rid me of this meddlesome Fitz…" I think the "Let's fire everybody!" opening move was a smokescreen, for the purpose of making the eight firings look like a show of restraint. And Gonzo's claim to not know what was going on is laughable. No-one fires eight US Attorneys without checking with the boss man.
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Dick Cheney Controls Tim Russert
Polls indicate that there is broad public support for Alberto Gonzales. Here’s my proof from CNN.com:
Do you believe Attorney General Alberto Gonzales should resign?
Yes 97%
7517 votes
No 3%
271 votes
Total: 7788 votes
-Mrs. Andrea Mitchell-Greenscam
Vanquish that BusChen Asswipe AbuG. A bug indeed!
Impeach Gonzales!
It’s pretty clear Abu is toast, he’s gone soon enough. In the meantime he makes quite a nice poster child for Rethug corruption, doesn’t he? So we win no matter how the timeline plays out. In fact, in some weird way the longer it drags out the better it is for us.
On that note, I’ve been wondering … seeing all the horse pucky comin’ down on the Bushies these days, I wonder how much did Reid, Pelosi & Co. know this was in the pipeline? Could it possibly be that they had some heads-up and have been holding their fire a bit, waiting for more shit to hit more fans, so they could do the “more in sorrow than in anger” bit, and get more done with less effort? Or am I just being a pollyanna looking for any silver lining I can find? (Prolly the latter I figger.)
Shorter Abu press conference: Gasoline, meet open flame.
In the meantime, will he resign to wipe Valerie Plame’s testimony off the headlines on Friday, or will he hang on another week? Inquiring minds want to know.
-S
test
Spekter on the senate floor talking about legislation wrt who should replace US attorneys…
he’s talking about Carol Lam and Cummins now.
Dumb all over
http://fingeryou.blogspot.com/…..-idea.html
My humble take on the man who should be colored gone.
If the White House deputy spokesperson had the thinnest natural or genetically modified reed on which to hang a denial for this, she would have, with gusto.
Welcome home, Shrubby. See you at the primetime presser. Bring a mop.
Anyone else on Safari getting “unable to connect to FDL” error msgs today? I’ve had to hard restart twice now. This is highly unusual.
PS: Spare me the “use firefox” advice. I use Safari. Thanks.
Here is ThinkProgress noting an Abramoff-related USA firing of past. It smelled bad then. It reeks now. Sorry if it has been previously linked.
Jacqrat @ 11
No problemo acqi.
(I’m takin’ Latin lessons from Senor Presidente Boosh)
Second time this week my nose has been filled with the smell of burnt toast.
*xyz @ 1
Last time I saw Cheney on MTP. Cheney was going on and on about Iran’s “alleged” nuclear weapons program. Russert did not challenge his unsubstantiated claims for one second. In fact he responded to Cheney’s claims by saying “how can we stop them”.
desertwind @ 13
Yeah, I had problems for over an hour since the last two posts. I think we had a little problem behind the scenes; I was not surprised, though.
Josh Marshall will be on Keith Olbermann tonight 8PM.
Goody.
I felt confident that if I ever needed an emergency video of someone with their pants on fire, my primary source would be Eli.
Josh on Keith!!! Speaking of people on fire.
Rayne @
16
“Speak directly into the light fixture, Rayne”
desertwind @ 17
oooh. That should be fun.
having all kinds of gummed ups problems with firefox, now on safari and its better..gabbly chat was a wreck jamming and booting people. don’t know what to make of it all.
just my two cents..currently on safari now, but due to firefox jamming on my dial up could not bring up comments..wish i could be of some help. i too blame it on the man
Rayne @ 14
Oh no. Not again. We shall have to think of something clever. Can we tell him your productivity is essential to saving the nation? I mean, would he get that?
Office Supplies Support Group postponed until Friday. Bring lots of extra post-its and colored pens.
And speaking of innerconnectivity, I’ve also had problems getting past the front page at fdl. Am on IE, I know, the dark ages.
“I’ll have a bluuuuuue…Fitzmas…Without youuuuu…”
;>)
testing
darkblack at 23 — The Burberry plaid is a nice touch. *g* Pez egg dye tab in the shower head, perchance?
Bloody hell. I’ve been trying to post a comment for half an hour and nothing would happen. AAAAAAAAH!!
I restarted my computer. Everything seems to be better.
Whew!
proudprogressive @ 21
Thanks, everyone for chiming in on this. I always think it’s something *I* did wrong; this confirms it’s not just me. GROUP HUG!
oh what a news day it is ! and yes KO should be quite something, but he really must rid himself of woll-if
yellowsnapdragon @ 12
So the fired US Attorney there was Frederick A. Black. Thanks for the info and link. I didn’t know which one it was.
whew, where’s the air freshener!
It appears I can only comment from my phone…
i always think its me too. why its a bloody merkle that i can even have two windows open at once. great noon time post TRex, now if only i could read it. such a gummed up day it has been
its by you therefore i know its great, same for pach and jane too..and eli…looks like its be a long night of catching up.
*SQUISH!!*
Eli @ 30
Obviously Joe LIEberman and DanGerstein are behind this. Notify the proper authorities!
egregious @ 18
I hope you guys give a recap for me, I don’t get KO here.
had problems earlier … and I’m on firefox … seems like a bit of odd glitchiness so let’s just be patient and it will be ok
Jacqrat @ 33
I’ll call the FDLBI.
ok T you can let go now…you great big hunk of burning loving theropod !
I wonder if it is being to sink in on even some of the dimmer bulbs in the Bush universe that history is not going to be kind to them and that the big questions won’t be about their heroic feats but whether they were crooks, stupid, or both.
I rang up the moderator in the FDL Air Traffic Control tower and let them know that we’re having some server hiccups.
We’ll see if it goes away.
not to worry Elliot you sweety pie we will live blog it for you. Oh the outrage..just when you think you have seen it all…hugh’s list will be up to 200 soon.
Eli must be stopped.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 25
Gonzo should have stayed out of the press pool, Christy
;>)
proudprogressive @ 40
Thank you, thank you, you kind soul!
I honestly think these bozos still believe they control the national conversation. If they say it didn’t happen, they trust that their guys will lean on the media to repeat the theme.
And we shouldn’t forget they’ve had a dismal history of effective damage control.
And BTW, curiousgeorge, I think there’s more going on behind Pelosi & Reid than meets the eye. Every GOPer that flames out means passing the next bill is a little easier. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t keep up the pressure.
Backing off on Iran smells funny to me. There’s more going on here. I hope.
TRex @ 41
Sounds like someone’s been hanging out at Eschaton on the sly…
same on IE
When Isn’t Andrea Mitchell Drunk?
Oh, and as far as Gonzo being, well… gonzo – it would only be as a scapegoat “bad apple” to save Bush’s (and Rove’s) ass. Gonzo did everything that was asked of him.
litigatormom’s got the scoop on why they can’t whine that Clinton did it too:
Presidents Reagan and Clinton did not seek to remove and replace the U.S. Attorneys they had appointed whose terms had expired, but instead permitted those U.S. Attorneys to serve indefinitely under the holdover provision.
Bwahahahahahaha
I don’t think it’s our server — at least not thus far, according to the tech folks. It may be a Wordpress burp instead.
*xyz @ 47
When her lips aren’t moving
;>)
Eli @ 30
Not true.
There are a great many things you can do with your phone.
Honestly, I would think you could take the time to read the manual, or at least fool around with it when you’re bored.
At first, I thought David Gregory was giving Shumer too much of a hard time, but now he’s got Mike Allen on and he’s still pounding away.
He’s got his jaws locked on the Abu story and isn’t letting go! Thanks, Eli for elaborating on this…
ATTACK!
exxxxactly
we need to find the people abu torture is saying fired these attorneys and put them under oath
find out if they told abu and have abu then tell us they didn’t
Mike Allen on Harbaugh: “Reporters are often wrong.”
No shit, Sherlock.
egregious @ 52
It literally never occurs to me to make calls with it. This may be how I psychologically get around my hatred of cellphones.
egregious @ 52
Not a guy thing. If you have to read the manual, there’s something wrong with the design.
egregious @ 52
We *are* talking about phones, right?
Jacqrat @ 53
That’s the spirit!!
Yeah, I was talking to a friend earlier (okay, it was Jane) and she said, “I wonder what it is that’s making this story roll so fast. When I first heard about it, I thought it was going to be just another temporary outrage.”
This story is developing faster than a case of crabs in a tropical whore house.
technical question please
how does the patriot act change the proceedure for hiring and firing attorneys?
I think reading the manual is kinda like asking for directions…
perris @ 60
It means the administration doesn’t have to vet the appointees through Congress, and they can overrule the Senators and Reps from the districts to which they’re appointing the new att’ys.
Eli @ 61
Only as an absolute last resort and when no one is looking.
perris @ 60
Firing, not at all, I don’t think. But a Specter staffer snuck in a provision that makes interim replacements indefinite and not subject to confirmation.
Bush and AIPAC want to bomb Iran but not invade.
This action would leave Iran — chock-full of angry terrorists — within walking distance of 50% of the world’s oil.
OT David Roberts slams a NYT piece by Bill Broad which slimes Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..43310.html
The gist:
Another case it seems of a NYT writer masquerading as a journalist. Maybe they’ll hire a scientologist to cover medical news.
Jacqrat @
11
I’m OK here.
OS 10.3.x or 10.4.x?
And there’s a OS update available today for 10.4 – it’s 10.4.9. Apply update, repair permissions & reboot again. Prolly OK now.
Bustednuckles @ 63
“When all else fails, read the directions”
(sign in my dad’s workshop)
Late to the Post so please forgive any redundancy.
Eli- I want to toss in this snip of a comment Mary4 made in LHP’s recent post.
So if I am reading this correctly, one would conclude Bush would have had to issue/sign an order.. Even if he said just do it and leave me out of it, he had to give his approval.
Punaise,
If at first you don’t succeed, Get a bigger hammer.
Pound it to fit, paint it to match.
“Which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow?” – K.O.
“The one featuring Josh Marshall.” – neurophius
Eli @ 58
You started it. You posted about hot pants.
Beer O’clock.
And John Dean, too!
Gonzales. This man has real John Mitchell potential. I am here thinking about blind support and loyalty. What is it with these type guys? The Ag’s office under Bush has become not an advocate for justice, but an enemy of fairness.
newtonusr @ 67
Heeey, LTNS, Newtonuser! 10.4. updating w/.9 now. And I have never repaired permissions – gonna do what you said, though. thanks.
perris @ 60
Recess appointments may now be made, therefore skipping normal procedure of congressional (Senate? House? or both?) approval of nominees.
“I believe in the independence of our U.S. Attorneys.” – Abu Gonzales
ROFL!
that’s what I thought
and that differance is never even mentioned when some neo fascist tries to claim other preisdent’s fired attorneys
that is the very point, now the preisdent can hire anyone at all
this needs to be punded doesn’t it
LMAO
Variant: “Don’t force it, get a bigger hammer.”
Gonzales: “Mistakes were made”. This individual outrages me. That does understate things for me. Bush is going to throw Gonzales over the side.
test
Oklahoma kiddo @ 81
Agreed. Chimpy’s statement sounds like, “I hope Abu chooses to stay (fingers crossed behind back).”
There was a Safari problem, because i could reach FDL but not reach Pach or Jane’s posts. On Firefox, i could get the comments, but not post. Don’t know what happened, but as soon as my Firefox comment about the problem finally got through, after nearly an hour, the Safari worked as well. I’d already refreshed and restarted, but nothing worked, though using newest Safari on Macbook Pro core duo.
Off safari thread, i don’t understand why all of you are so upset with the justice department. Isn’t it the Injustice Department we’re having problems with?
I give Valley Girl an A..)
Hillary talking about “the vast right wing conspiracy”. Her and Shumer attempting political rehab. I am not only disgusted with my party, I’m PO’d.
John Casper @ 81
Bush Doctrine: If Force Doesn’t Work, You’re Not Using Enough.
okay, I just got through after not being able to. FF with PC.
What do my party leaders think. That I fell off some turnip truck?
Eureka Springs, AR @ 86
Thank you. Much appreciated.
So is the Ministry of Truth finally being opened to scrutiny?
John Dean coming up (at some point) on Olbermann.
Eureka Springs, AR @
69
Verrrry interesting… Funny how the media never mentions that.
perris @
80
I believe the administration said they would waive that privilege (now that they’ve been busted). But we’ll see if they stick to that after the Senate refuses to confirm John Bolton and Glenn Reynolds.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 90
When a good Dem runs out of turnips, many have nowhere to turn but to the Greens.
John Casper @ 93
Along with Josh Marshall.
So if they are pulling Marshall into this conversation, why did they not have anyone from TEAM FDL on Countdown during the Scoots Trial?
Eli @ 94
Specter said that the Admin. would cooperate and return to pre-Patriot Act practice. Then Kyle said that he would block that from happening. Kyle is running interference for the WH on this. So that leaves us with the same mess.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 95
I like greens. Especially with hot vinagar. Greens. Are we being metaphorical here? ;0)
testes
Valley Girl @ 89
Same combo here, still no go. Rebooting again…
Josh Marshall up on KO on MSNBC
Are we being metaphorical here? ;0)
For now..)
I’m on Safari having no trouble. FWIW.
twolf1 @ 101
Woohoo!
I’m still shocked when things like this happen. :)
FYI. I was able to get a page load when accessing http://www.firedoglake.com but when i tried to access a single thread, noluck. all better now.
Josh Marshall on KO now
People in Washington tend to focus on whether specific statutes have been violated. But some things are just wrong.
Eli @ 94
the point is this was their purpose in the first place’
in addition even abu torure’s own Chief Of Staff denies the Rove claim that Clinton did the same thing
I prefer my politcal salad with lots and lots of vinegar. It cuts the bitterness.
RevDeb @ 102
see any lions or elephants?
My guess on the commenting glitch is that Ted Stevens is parallel parking his truck on the FDL tubes and the NSA has hopped out of the truck to guide him in the space.
RevDeb @ 97
I really really love my Treo, especially right now.
I actually wrote most of this post on my Treo, even the quotes and links.
RevDeb @
96
I also would like an answer from KO on this.
test- this same thing happened to me on the pastordan thread. No amount of clearing caches or rebooting helped, so this time I just waited it out.
If my party nominates Hillary and thus tells me this is the best we can do; I’m through.
I haven’t been able to link to FDL for the last two hours. Talk about withdrawal symptoms! Is it just me?
twolf1 @ 110
LOL-were the neighbors watching?
Gonzales resigns. So what. That still leaves Rove, Cheney, and Bush.
Valley Girl @
117
Yes — covertly through the curtains. “Hey Eunice, get a load of this yahoo!”
If Gonzales agreed with the purge action, thought it was proper, and was doing his job properly, why DIDN”T he “see all the papers” on this, why WASN”T he fully “involved” in every detail in the matter, how did he NOT “know”. No matter how you look at the purge, even if you think it was acceptable and proper, there is no way for anyone with even a scintilla of a clue about the machinations of the DOJ to not realize that it was highly unusual and should be subject to strict scrutiny, to borrow a constitutional term of art. Even if this whole mess was nominally proper (and it is not, by any standard), Gonzales should still be removed for dereliction of duty. For him to not know and have signed off on every facet is, by itself, terminal incompetence.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 118
the new attorney general is subjected to approval by a democratic congress and a press that is starting to act like the fourth estate
that will be rich
Nice that KO called JMM the “publisher” of TPM. I didn’t hear the word blogger mentioned. Maybe “publisher” is the bridge cablenews will use to legitimize blogger appearances. Although I’m pretty sure MSNBC calls Arianna a blogger.
Josh did quite well I thought.
bmaz- terminal incompetence! I like the sound of that.
Neil @ 105
That is what happened to me for about the first 30-40 minutes of Pachs thread. I just waited it out (no reboot of browser or computer) thinking it was a pac attack. On mac w/firefox here.
Consigliere Gonzales is in trubble.
(boosh speling)
(whew, everything was kerflooey here too!)
bmaz @ 120
Oh, I’m sure AG-Squared knew right down the line; he’s using the bad apples defense to cover both his *and* Bush’s ass.
bmaz & VG – It’s worse than that, imo. See comment #69.
Hey Christy – National Elephant Day. Prescient much?
Been running OS 10.3.9 on one Mac, 10.4.8 on 2 others, and now 10.4.9 on another – all day. No browser issues at all.
perris @ 121
Yes that would be rich.
You might recall, I’m what’s termed a radical. Even within my own party. ;0)
JOHN DEAN will be on KO tonight. Soon.
It was really cool to see Josh Marshall on KO, I’ve only ever seen his photograph. He, like Jane, Christy, and Glenn, are great on tv.
Getting the internet to work: each time I restart my computer, that seems to work for a while. It’s only fdl, not other sites :o
While I’m happy to see AbuG and BushCo sweat over these firings of USAttorneys, there’s an awful lot more this DoJ and FBI have done — like their abuse of National Security Letters, come to light just last week — that the US Congress could focus on, while the light is white-hot.
What was really strange was with Safari i not only didn’t see elephants and lions, i could get to the site but not to the posts. With FF i got to the posts and could refresh comments, but couldn’t post. suddenly it all got normal, except for the elephants and tigers.
TSF – Exactly and a big amen! and the source of that problem… the patriot act.
TeddySanFran @ 131
yeppers! let them shine some of that white-hot light under alla those rocks.
torture and extraordinary rendition, too.
PS– I want habeas corpus back now.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 133
The patriot act is why we can’t get thru to fdl??
Eureka at 124 thinking it was a pac attack Well it IS elephant day, w our lovely pachyderm graphic. Plus Pach posted.
Josh did great. It’s so hard to find well spoken progressives on TV. He should do more TV.
I’m waiting. (for jd)
my Firefox was panting but not aflame. couldn’t access threads for a while.
Crazy Horse @
85
I’m pretty sure there was a burp here at FDL (RBG?); the nature of Pach’s post was sure to draw a rather rapid spike in traffic, at least in my opinion based on past experience. I’m on broadband running XP with Firefox; Pach’s post had frozen, couldn’t submit a comment, couldn’t open the site on refresh comments or site refresh. Eventually could open Jane’s post, but not to comments.
It’s this kind of stuff that “brendan” who was a bit testy about a perceived defensiveness doesn’t see happening. There have been far too many posts I’ve visited across the ‘net that have been disrupted in one way or another when certain topics come up — that was one of them. Am I defensive, or simply wary?
egregious – Now I have to find my Borsalino tin-foil fedora…)
Eureka Springs, AR @ 127
I agree with what you said. Sorry, I was a bit preoccupied with trying to figure out why comments weren’t going through.
newtonusr @
128
lucky you! I did what you suggested and then got “error in connecting to server” when I tried to post. I guess I’m posting too much…
rebooted for a fourth time and that fixed it.. but if I have to reboot every time I want to post at fdl…
I think today’s document dump, as unpleasant as it was for AbuG, was a way to deflect attention from last week’s FBI IG revelations about the National Security Letters. Those were violations of the law; this was all politics.
Here it is. The Demos have so much to go on as far as impeachment hearings are concerned. My party is dropping the ball.
John Dean on NOW at KO.
Dean: “politicizing the Dpt of Justice”
“Only one thing will stop all these scandals: the subpoena power of Congress”
Seems that A*P$Cs relationship to M00sad includes the toobz.
I’m so happy we’re back up. I didn’t realize the depth of my FDL addiction.
Kyle Sampson looks like the love child of Karl Rove and…. Karl Rove.
Crazy Horse @ 146
Maybe the FDL server has been infected with M00sadware.
Who would have thought that this self styled left wing radical would trust so much in a former major player in the Nixon Administration (John Dean)?
Jacqrat @ 141
I’m Comcast…
Jacqrat- I’m not sure that the rebooting is what fixed it. I had same problem on pastordan thread the other eve, and did all the usual stuff-cache clearing, rebooting, etc. but it didn’t help. I just decided to wait it out this time and eventually I was able to post.
OK @ 150– Cause he told the truth and stared down evil?
Eli @ 149
…or malbertoware
“Oh for the days of Ellitot Richardson”. Olbermann.
John Dean: AbuG has been over his head as AG…AbuG is a yes man, sent there to protect the White House…AbuG may be in jeopardy…only one thing is going to result in accountability in this White House: the subpoena power of Congress. We used to have one scandal per administration, now we have several, it seems.
twolf1 @ 154
Or attacked by AIHACkers…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 154
That’s a beauty, considering the company.
Terry Olson @ 147
I would like to thank A**AC for helping me clean house this afternoon…)
Talk about a grab for power, check this out from AOGpage127 of the e-mail dump, it is from Sampson to Christopher G. Oprison, Subject, re: Another Griffin article…
“The only thing really at risk here is a repeal of the AG’s appointment authority. We intend to have DOJ leg affairs people on notice to work hard to preserve this (House members won’t care about this; all we really need is for one Senator to object to language being added to legislative vehicles that are moving through). There is some risk that we’ll lose the authority, but if we don’t ever exercise it then what is the point of having it? (I’m not 100 percent sure that Tim was the guy on which to test drive this authority, but know that getting him appointed was important to Harriet, Karl, etc.)”
Test drive the authority of the AG?????
This is outrageous IMHO!
angie @ 153
Truth is beauty? ;0)
neurophius @ 156
Per *administration*??? Hell, we’re lucky if we only have one a week.
twolf1 @ 154
Malberto v.05
Gonzales rejects calls for resignation.
I’m having similar problems here, and have been trying to post…now I’m too exhausted to say anything more than “This is all just so scandalicious!”
LS @ 160
That phrase about “importance” pales now… WOW.
Jacqrat @
113
David Shuster did well… the team grows
Specter’s staffer Brett Tolman was said to be the DOJ pointman for the USAPA “fix”.
Guess who Tolman beat out for the USA job…
So the to the victors go the spoils eh? Tolman gets the girl and the job. Americans get this kind of treatment…
I wonder what they’re thinking about now…who can they trust to blame? Where’s Scooter when ya need him?
OT
There is also at the NYT an op-ed about Iraq’s petroleum law by Antonia Juhasz. It is fairly critical of it. While it definitely has a point of view, it is one of the few articles I have seen on this law.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03…..uhasz.html
“The vast right wing conspiracy”. Well… that certainly pinpoints matters. How about some specifics. And above all names, Hillary. Names.
To hark back to Jane’s excellent post about Mrs. Greenspan, we satan-worshipping immoral homos should really come up with an award — The Andrea Mitchell Trophy for Fact-Defying Journamalizm — to codify her amazing utterance yesterday to David Gregory regarding the popularity of a Scooter pardon among the American people.
Seriously, this must not sink below the waves of successive outrages. It must be memorialized in a significant way. Oh, Fox employees would not be eligible.
another test
Isn’t that the same as a FOX paycheck?
So, was the real motive to handle these appointments just a further attempt to test the Patriot Act provision and unitary power? Were these just sacrificed to see if we would do anything about it? God, this all makes me sick. I am so furious. They are SO caught.
Who has replaced Harriet Miers as White House Counsel, anyway?
And please don’t forget William Ruckelshaus.
Teddy, since we’re back to Frau Mitchell, here’s an appropos EPU:
RE: Ms. greenspin, here’s a quote (from brainy quotes)
“All they expected me to do was rip and read the wire “leads,” without doing any original reporting. It was pretty basic, but gave me a taste of how to combine my love of politics with broadcasting.”
Andrea Mitchell. There’s more on the site.
neokneme @ 169
Tolman, O’Neill, Sampson are all peeps. They’ve all worked with Hatch, for starters.
O’Neill and Sampson have both taught at George Mason.
There’s a LOT more going on here.
From Eli’s NYT cite:
Did they fire the non-aggressive USA covering Ann Coulter’s district?
KO has mostly real news and not the stupid celebrity news tonight, is that a new trend?
CENK on KO right NOW
KO — “his deftness with lettuce” was a very near miss spew
Eli @ 149
who do you think has the contract for all the switching and routering for all the phone companies?
Another OT
In an apostolic exhortation (something like a last gasp only longer),
Benedict like Bush seems to think that democracy works best when people do what they are told.
TeddySanFran @
131
I’m thinking you’re right about this Teddy. Those abuses were against the law.
TeddySanFran @
175
why, Abu Gonzales!
jest kidding (though, not really)
it’s Fred Fielding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Fielding
hey- did anyone have problems commenting BEFORE 4:01 Western / Pacific time when Eli’s post went up? still trying to trouble shoot.
Rayne @ 178
Our Rayne, connecting the dots. GMason Law School is a known neocon central, btw.
What does Nazi Ratzi have against Youth in Asia, anyway?
{channeling Emily Lattela}
Had to resort to dumping the cookies before being able to again post here.
Radical solution, but effective.
Propaganda, Part II over at Crooks and Liars. They’re smearing Valerie and Joe.
Did anyone else hear what the guy from Young Turks on KO said about Doug Feith? Feith, after 911 wanted to attack Paraguay, and a couple of other SA countries…because they were not expecting it.
Cheneys special office of special plans kind of guy.
Oklahoma kiddo @
87
I know. And I meant to scold you about your naughty comment last night.
Let me phrase it another way. Mossad: I do not trust these guys anymore than I trust the CIA, who has in the past and I suspect continues to (Abu Ghraib) deal with people, using extra-legal methods. And the speculation is that some of those with run-ins with Mossad and our very own CIA end up ‘disappeared’.
Valley Girl @ 185
Not me.
Common thread: Eli.
I blame Clinton.
Yes VG, Pach’s and Jane’s posts were up, for at least an two hours. For Eli’s i had no problem, at least when it finally showed to me.
new thread Tula: firefighters not for Rudy
Eureka Springs@127 and VG@141 – Come on, I understand how bad this is, thought that would go without saying. My point is that their best shot at an acceptable scenario, as assinine and absurd as it is, is still a non-starter as a matter of logic. The media and the populous need to understand this and I have not particularly seen it. I do not see how even the nut-wingers can deny this point; that is it’s value.
Hang on, VG, I can narrow it down — my last comment in Pach’s thread is when the system hung. I think it posted, but it appeared to sit and spin on my end.
edit 2:29 pm EDT — that’s when I had a problem, lasted for over an hour. Tried from two different machines on same network.
okay- the problem hasn’t been solved, but one possibility has been eliminated. thanks U2
I was just locked out for about 15 minutes. All of a sudden it was fine. Use the latest Safari
Terry Olson @ 191
Even now my hand is in the ‘cookie jar’. ;0)
Rayne- let me go look at the time on that. thx.
bmaz – fair enough.
VG – It started for me in Pachs thread and ended for me near the end of Pachs thread.
thx for comments re: difficulties. I won’t be able to acknowledge them individually, but they are being registered.
Local news hereabouts covering several San Rafael (Marin County) businesses that have had to close due to ICE raids.
Closed. Completely closed.
Swift plant raids also referenced.
I was locked outta the A*P*C thread today; thought it was because I was logging on from a client’s computer, and perhaps there was a filter for “previous posters only” to ease the load. It’s a 20th century IBM running IE; I could Preview but not Submit. This happened throughout Pach’s thread.
(And I had so many pithy things to say….)
I sent my initial e-mail to Christy at 3:35, but I had been trying to get in since at least 3:00. I have checked it every so often, at least every half hour since then and it just let me in a few minutes ago. In fact, I couldn’t get back in until Eli’s post went up.
TeddySanFran @ 186
That is disheartening, considering how George Mason was such an incredible fighter for the rights of the American people. If not for him there most probably wouldn’t have been the first ten amendments. And prescient in how this country could one day turn into an autocracy.
The greatest American who was never President
Oh great, *now* I can comment from my PC. This is like that Monty Python episode where the end credits start rolling as soon as The Spanish Inquisition make their appearance:
“No-one expects the- Oh, bugger.”
2:29 from Rayne is earliest report of problem.
Rayne @ 139
Scared me. Made me hope that FDL has everyone’s phone numbers and addresses just in case. I’m rereading 1984 now, so perhaps I’m overreacting.
LS @
174
No, I think that was just a bonus. The real motive was always to get rid of the USAs who were more loyal to the law than the president.
TeddySanFran @
175
Two puppies and a Care Bear.
Eli @ 211
two turntables and a microphone
hey vg: i could access the fdl homepage but not the individual posts starting when pach’s post went up, about 1pm pst.
took about 2 hours before i had regular access.
Valley Girl @ 185
“Which begs The Libby Question: If there was no underlying crime, why lie?”
Here’s where I am with this gang:
1. There’s almost always an underlying crime.
2. Even if there isn’t, they’d probably lie anyway.
Who has replaced Harriet Miers as White House Counsel, anyway?
PerryGeorge MasonBlub @ 214
Like I suggested, sometimes they just lie out of habit, or maybe to show their contempt for the rest of us.
punaise @
215
It’s been outsourced:
http://www.cityofangel.com/cha…..artcoa.jpg
raynes problem was at 2:29 Pacific
rosalind’s at ~1 pacific (daylight?)
TeddySanFran @ 204
Learning from the Soviets. You pass way too many laws, then selectively enforce them against the Democrats and/or those who don’t cough up bribes.
Eli 211
Did you read the quote from their emails? See my post at 160 if you didn’t…I know that you are right also.
LS @ 220
Yeah, the cynicism was just appalling.
Not to mention the arrogance of assuming that no-one else would ever see their e-mails (because their dirty tricks would ensure that Republicans would control the Congress forever and ever and ever and ever!).
What’s an ICE raid?
Blub @ 222
Immigration
FDL is not the only site with web problems BTW. Could be sun spots.
LS @ 224
I had some problems on my own WordPress blog earlier today, but it was slowdowns rather than commenting or posting (Christy had to hit the Publish button for me on this one).
Or that Abu’s checking in with a national security letter and the entire entire DoJ illegal search & seizure team… :)
LS @
224
More WaPo observations…
Somebody got a pen and a barrel of ink?
:~}
Blub @ 226
Hopefully, they’re in their last throes…:}
TeddySanFran @
171
Instead of a McArthur Fellowship perhaps a “Mitchell Swallowship”? Maybe Steno Sue could get an honorary award.
Gonzales–one creepy dude. Voice deity Jim Ward on Stephanie Miller does an awesome impression.
“I think the “Let’s fire everybody!” opening move was a smokescreen, for the purpose of making the eight firings look like a show of restraint.”
Eli;
My first reaction was the same; they want us all to perceive this as “Harriet Miers was radical, Karl Rove was reasonable,” now there’s a spin worthy of the history books.
Rove probably engineered the whole debacle, certainly one of his closest pals was the biggest beneficiary. And once again, their incredible hubris let them delude themselves that this big secret would never be unveiled, because these guys really believed what Rove told them about the last election, right up until the vote was counted.
Had they considered it even a possibility that the Dems would have subpoena power, back when the USA firing shenanigans began, I imagine they would have been more prudent, particularly with their emails.
And Miers is such an easy sacrifice for them to make, she isn’t even around any more.
Now, with Gonzales’ #2 tossed to the blogwolves, they likely think they can defer everything “that-a-way” onto Harriett’s worshipful, Bush lovin’ little shoulders. They already wore out the “Sampson” blame, Shumer mae it clear this won’t stop with Sampson’s resignation. Maybe they’re hoping that deferring it onto a little old lady might net them more a little sympathy from the general public, especially their dwindling base.
And she will be proud to take the blame, another soldier falling an a sword for the lousy generals the adore.
they are replaying the march 2001 hearings for marc rich’s pardon on cspan 3 right now. can’t tell if libby is at the table for counsel yet – but despite that THIS IS TOOOOOO GOOD. i just cant see libby going through this process.
On a previous thread, I posted an inquiry about the Gregg shorthand at the top of the page AOG00…49 of the document dump at Rawstory…
I believe the second line may say:
“W any additional inclusions” 12.4.2006
The first line is confusing.
This could be important. Transcribers help?
LS @ 233
Do they use “W” as a noun or a verb, I wonder… You know, kinda like FUBAR.
JEP @ 231
The sad thing is, useless corrupt wanker that Gonzo is, he was doing exactly the job he was hired for, so firing him without firing the people who gave him his orders is kind of unfair.
Not that I mind him getting fired, just that it’s another missed opportunity if he takes the fall for Rove’s scheme.
JEP @
231
I heard some rumors from friends on the Hill that “fire everybody” was actually going to be shrub’s plan to clear libruls out from the entire Federal bureaucracy… fire all mid to uppder-mid level officers and then make them all reapply for their jobs subject to a political litmus test. DoJ, Interior, EPA, Energy, HHS and a few others were especially targeted. The plan may have fallen apart somewhere before 9/11 and never got resurrected .. what we’re seeing now may be an attempt to resurrect people of it (one of several.. all partially successful.. over the last 5 years)
Educated Plaintiff @
232
libby is now being questioned (as counsel). talk about karma coming around…..
Eli @
234
The first line appears to have initial “C” and then some word or phrase I can’t understand.
the second line appears to have the initial “W” and then the words. It could mean something like “with any additional inclusions” or it could be the initial of a person. I don’t know. It might not actually say “any additional inclusions” either…looks like that to me though.
I think the first line is
Created
I like that Feinstein has really got her knickers in a twist over the USA issues…
I think she is going to make her bones on this and we are going to forgive her for her past transgressions.
egregious @ 239
Well, as a transcriber for years, I recognize the characters of Gregg shorthand in both lines. Whoever wrote it wrote it either for convenience or wrote it so the average layman could not readily be able to read it. The way it is written does not appear “rapid” to me, rather it appears “deliberate”, because the writer is not using “short forms” of shorthand, and the ending on both lines was written slowly, not “on the fly”. Very interesting though?!
OldCoastie @ 240
She stood up for Rice, put her name in for SecState, sat with her through her confirmation. That’s a lot of forgiviness to ask… She better deliver!
newtonusr @ 242
I know – but it’s good to see her really pissed off.
She’s gifted, no doubt. I’ve always been an admirer of DiFi, since before her SF Mayoral days. She had the stuff to heal and lead a very deeply wounded city (Jonestown, Moscone & Harvey Milk, etc.). But her willingness to “reach across the isle” has hurt her with me, and most of us. I’d love nothing more than for her to come up very large here.
newtonusr @ 244
I’m with you newtonusr… very large would be very good… we need leaders and I know she can do it… I want her to do it…
I don’t know how to link so I copied this revelation from one of the comments from TPM after reading through the document dump of emails released today. I feel this could be HUGE but I don’t know enough about domain names, etc. to pursue….
Ok, now please explain to me why Scott Jennings, a government-salaried White House staffer, is using the gwb43.com domain to send out his email.
The gwb43.com domain is owned by the Republican National Committee.
By sending e-mail through this domain instead of the White House’s own system (who.eop.gov) is the White House Office of Political Affairs putting Presidential Records and communications out of the government’s hands — and into the RNC’s?
Posted by: Citizen 92
Date: March 13, 2007 05:33 PM
and another……………….
Presidential Records” and “Government Records” are created by government workers. And those records must be properly captured and archived. If Scott Jennings was earning a White House salary and sending emails from inside the White House, even from the gwb43.com domain, he was creating a “Presidential Record.” His failure to appropriately archive that information would amount to an ethics violation, and possibly more. There is extensive administrative law to back this up – a lot of it thanks to Nixon’s antics.
Clearly the Bush administration is operating fast and very loose with Presidential records.
Posted by: Skeptic
Date: March 13, 2007 06:31 PM
What say you–intelligent FDL computer geeks?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 118
It leaves Rove, Cheney, Bush, and Gonzales. Rove resigned after all, but we don’t even notice here that he’s gone. Same with Rumsfeld, who continues to have an office at the Pentagon and keeps running stuff as far as we know. Resigning or even impeachment is irrelevant for these guys unless they also go to jail. Otherwise they will stay on the job behind the scenes. Maybe even from jail.
When it comes time to start impeaching the Bush administration, we’re going to need some good clean prosecutors…hmm…say, about 7 of them? Where can we find seven or so available top quality prosecutors? … Oh, I know! …
Seriously, I’m surprised more people aren’t discussing this possibility — or would their dismissals disqualify them? Now that has some convoluted implications on its own…
The Bushies never apologize for their mistakes. Even when they do issue an apology or express regrets it’s always about how the story was handled; how they didn’t do a good enough job of selling the narrative, that they could have done a better job of explaining things to the public. It never seems to occur to them that problem might have been in the act itself and not in the sales pitch.
Image is everything to these people, substance means nothing.