Tucker Carlson: I thought you were going to be funny. Come on!
Jon Stewart: No, no. I'm not going to be your monkey.
("Crossfire", Oct. 15, 2004)
Do you guys remember this moment on CNN's "Crossfire" a couple of years ago? You know that Tucker Carlson and Paul Begala do. That was the day that a talk show host from a fake news show on a comedy network came on their supposedly erudite and intelligent show and inflicted mortal wounds on both men's careers (although Tucker's is still on life support, apparently) and drove a harpoon so deeply into "Crossfire" itself that the show was gone within eight weeks. Ipso facto. Kaput.
I was watching live that day, which is funny because I never watched "Crossfire", but I remember sitting there and thinking, "Is this really happening? This is almost too good to be true!"
I remember thinking, "Look how simple this is. Now, why don't more people go on these ridiculous shows and speak their mind? Why doesn't any Democrat who goes on Pox News take exactly this approach?"
Now, two years later, the media and political ecosystems are going through a major tectonic shift. Right Wing Hate isn't quite the blue-chip stock it used to be, and it looks like some folks are finally wising up to the toxicity of Fox.
Normally, I wouldn't do this, but I'm going to send you over to The Politico. No, no, it's okay. It's a column by My Main Man Matt Stoller about why the Dems were right to bail out of that Fox-sponsored goat-fuck, er, debate. And there's nary a Pool Boy in sight.
To wit:
Over the past three weeks or so, the progressive movement – bloggers, Moveon.org, grassroots activists, filmmakers – pressured the Nevada Democratic Party to drop Fox News as the host of a presidential debate in August. In pursuing this short campaign, we made two basic arguments that were eventually accepted by party leaders.
First, we argued that Fox News is not a news channel, but a propaganda outlet that regularly distorts, spins, and falsifies information. Second, Fox News is heavily influenced or even controlled by the Republican Party itself. As such, we believe that Fox News on the whole functions as a surrogate operation for the GOP. Treating Fox as a legitimate news channel extends the Republican Party’s ability to swift-boat and discredit our candidates. In other words, Fox News is a direct pipeline of misinformation from the GOP leadership into the traditional press.
And Pox News does NOT WANT TO HEAR THAT. Oh, no. They're about to bust a gut over there. From Think Progress:
Tonight, Bill O’Reilly attacked the “radical movement” that opposed the Nevada Democratic Party’s debate with Fox News. O’Reilly said that MoveOn, “the Daily Kos or whatever that stupid thing is,” and others “use propaganda techniques perfected by Dr. Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi minister of information. They lie, distort, defame, all the time.” Progressive activists attack Fox News because “we report on them accurately,” O’Reilly said.
No, dickhead. We don't want anything to do with Fox because you are (in the words of Mr. Dickens) "vile and slanderous calumniators". And trust me. We're not the Nazis here. If you're going to invoke Godwin's Law, Mr. O'Reilly, you should bear in mind that Hitler was NOT an out-of-control liberal, no matter what Ann Coulter says.
But, back to Mr. Stoller:
Falsifying information that is favorable to Republicans and problematic for Democrats is a regular tactic of Fox News. Specific examples are breathtakingly dishonest, including the Obama Madrassa smear, Carl Cameron's false claims that John Kerry referred to himself as a “metrosexual” and “news anchor” Brit Hume repeating the false canard that the public does not trust the Democratic Party on national defense.
Yes, but people who watch it know that it's biased, right?
Well, no.
But it's the sweep of the disinformation campaign that suggests a genuine pattern of propagandistic manipulation of the public. The Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland conducted a study in October 2003 of public knowledge and attitudes about current events, focusing on media consumption habits. The study examined three generic misconceptions about the march to war in Iraq – alleged WMDs, purported Iraqi involvement in 9/11, and supported international support for a U.S. invasion of Iraq. While three-fifths of Americans held at least one of these misconceptions at the time, speaking to the poor quality of American punditry, Fox News viewers stood out – their viewers were "three times more likely than the next nearest network to hold all three misperceptions."
More than 80 percent of Fox News viewers had a basic factual misconception about the war in Iraq, which were coincidentally used by the Bush administration to justify their policies at the time.
This should not be a surprise, as the leadership of Fox News is heavily tied into the Republican Party apparatus.
Fox News hurts America. It's actively making people dumber and more susceptible to governmental manipulation.
Falsification of information is bad enough for an outlet channel that calls itself a news organization, but the overt ties to the Republican Party are deeply disturbing for our democracy as a whole. This is not an ideological argument about diversity – Fox News is not really a conservative news channel, it is a Republican propaganda and surrogate operation, as Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch seem to have baked into their business model a wholesale allegiance to the Republican Party.
Can I just get everyone to shout that together real loud one time?
FOX NEWS IS NOT NEWS!
Okay? Democrats, are you listening? Fox News is nothing but a propaganda mill. Any and all stories and commentaries on Fox News end the same way, i.e., Republicans are good and Democrats are bad. Period. They barely even play at a pretense of objectivity.
Any attempt by Democrats to make nice with Fox is doomed from the outset. The Nevada debate was a set-up, an ambush. Nevada Democrats did the right thing by telling Fox where they could stick it. We need more of this, please. And we, the netroots, need to pound this into the heads of any Democrats who will listen:
Fox News is determined to destroy you. In their ideological casino, all the games are fixed and the house always wins. Unless you're Joe Lieberman, Fox is going to find a way to discredit, drown out, and humiliate you. It is their sole purpose in the world. Nothing that they say will ever, ever truly be "fair and balanced".
But this is exactly where we want the conversation going right now. We want people to be actively questioning Pox's credibility. And as for Fox, we just want you to know that we're not your monkeys anymore. We know what you're doing and we've known for years. When the Dems dropped their plans for the debate, Matt Drudge immediately proclaimed it "WAR!".
Well, for once Mattress Drudge may have gotten something right. Yes, it is a war. And the Free Media are the guerrilla troops. We may never be able to break down and dismantle the Reich Wing's message machine, but we can sure stop dutifully wandering into their traps and snares. And maybe, just maybe set a few traps of our own.
Give em hell, Matt Stoller! That's the fucking spirit! Yeeeeeeeeaahh!!
Never defend.
Never explain.
ATTAAAAAAAAAACK!!!



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TRex! Y’all jus keep gettin bettarh an bettarh.
TRex—
Great stuff.
I remember watching that Crossfire it was stunning. Reality invaded tv.
Jon is going after the dems on the war bill. They deserve it!
Trex!
You ain’t monkeying around tonight!?!!
Woohoo, TRex. Tox News is NOT news.
TRex, I love you. You’re the best!!
TRex !!
hello.
I love me some Late Nite FDL, and TRex is the reason why.
The Heavy Hitters – Valley Girl, egregious, and RevDeb! I am with Exalted Company!
I am not worthy! I am not worthy!
Evenin’, gang! How is everyone?
OT – but somewhat relevant to the media discussion.
I’m continuing to lobby for an FDL’er to stand in the crowd outside the Today Show one morning, holding a sign that says clearly and legibly in large lettering:
Dick Cheney controls Tim Russert
Jon Stewart:
“Cheney has been wrong about EVERYTHING.”
“The only thing I would trust Cheney for is if I had a dead hooker in my hotel room.”
“Just f***in’ cover up the frown.”
So far so good with the new management at Air America Radio.
AZ Matt @ 8
Stop it! IIRC, this is my first 1/ 0 evah!
Mauimom @ 12
Hey, hey, hey — a little respect for your pals in PDT, please — don’t be a spoiler! Still have three hours to wait out here….
TRex @ 10
Getting more anxious about my upcoming job interview. But enough about me; let’s talk about you. Do you have any idea how much I despise Fox News?
TRex !!!!
hi late night kidz, how y’all doin’ ?!?!?
I gotta chuckle on the last thread when I saw yet another mention of Rep. overtures to Toensing to appear before Waxman comm.
the link was from The Politico and I chuckled imagining some very clumsy white boyz high fivin’ over such an exclusive – oh yeah pool boy, you and da homies got it goin’ on !;)
EvilDrPuma @ 16
You can’t possibly hate them more than I do.
EvilDrPuma @ 15
Very funny- the actress joke.
EDP- is there anything I can do to help you on the interview anxiety?
Stoller has been so consistently good that I did a double take when he equivocated on the mess of a war bill that the dems are weaseling through. I don’t understand where Matt is coming from.
But on Pox Noise, he and TRex have hit it on the head with a hammer.
What if up with the toobz? Problems anyone?
WTF? lolo
happy birthday Dr Evil Puma !
lolo,
there was an earlier problem that kept some of the Firedogs out for up to two hours – Christy said it had been fixed
lolo @ 21
We’ve had some weirdness today. Restart your computer and then clear your browser cache and cookies and try again. That’s what worked for me.
TRex – there just aren’t adequate words to do justice to your writerly gifts/genius. And indeedy, Tox News is NOT news.
BTW – you have mail. :~)
And Morris – left you a EPU note downstairs.
Every Democrat and Progressive needs to tell these asshats “Stop it, you’re hurting America”. So simple and yet so effective.
I once had a chance on national TV, Fox News in fact, and messed up and didn’t take it, but the topic ostensibly was something different, andn anyway, they talk over you.
Fox News Loves Right Wing Porn Stars!! That is the headline to whack them with.
lots of tube problems today thats why just in case i wished drEP a happy b-day one day early.
EvilDrPuma @ 16
Good luck on that! I hope you like them as well as they will like you.
Air America has offered to host a Republican debate story courtesy of RAW
Think the Repubs will agree to that free coverage?
Tomorrow: Pi & Puma!
You ever start playing Solitaire, and lose… and play again, and lose… and after a while, you don’t want to play anymore, but goddammit, it’s mathematically impossible for anybody to be losing this much… I… HAVE… TO… WIN… A… $@%#^#@… GAME!!!!!
And then, finally, you win… and you don’t ever have to play — ever again?
That’s how I felt when I was watching Jon Stewart on Crossfire. I thought, “Finally! I never have to watch this show ever again!”
And then it was gone forever. What a catharsis.
Valley Girl @ 19
Actually, I may be better off than I think I am–I’ve just had a bad evening anyway, and the interview is a place for the stress to go. GoodMrsPuma turns out to have been keeping mum on her past life as a job interview coach, too. My only question right now is, how the hell am I going to wait seven more days to do this thing?
Send Slick Willie back for an encore ala Chris Wallace.
proudprogressive @ 22
I’m impressed that you bothered to keep track. Thank you.
Sorry, I forgot. I was just laughing so hard and wanted to share.
Fox News Loves the Political Porn of the Bushies!
Whack them with that too!
Evening TRex, disciples.
So that’s what happened to Paul Begala.
I love the earlier description of Fuck Snews as a 24 hr infomercial. So appropriate.
MS @ 30
Maybe Sam Seder could moderate?
JoyB @ 29
Thanks. Maybe that’s my problem…I’m letting myself take this too seriously.
MS @ 30
In our dreams!
I love the attitude of the new management. Now if they can get the stream to stop dropping out, re-connect with iTunes, and start moving back into the cities they lost, I will believe that AAR 2.0 has it together. So far they have yet to adapt the web site to daylight savings time.
Great post, TRex.
Larry Johnson was all over Fox last Sunday w/some stunning screen grabs:
http://noquarter.typepad.com/m…..razy_.html
And EPU’d from last thread- Larry comes up w/a lovely new nickname for Mrs. Greenspan after reading Jane’s piece earlier today:
http://noquarter.typepad.com/m…..chell.html
What a news week it is ! Each day, a hearing , a presser. One would think the house of cards can hold up for only so much longer. And josh Marshall on KO.
Now a bit OT , but how about this stock market stuff, end of the empire anyone?
Dover Bitch @ 32
EW! Open a window!
Who catharted in here?
I have had major problems in So. CA, since the ROVESPUTIN thread. I mean major and I couldnt log on to FDL with by crackberry???? No latenight TREX last night nothing all day WHAH! (temper tantrum over) nice to be home
proudprogressive @ 43
Don’t know about empire but it sure looks like its the end of the home mortgage folks.
EvilDrPuma @ 32
Just focus on your work. So, you can say, oh, I was just thinking about thus and so.
And, also, my academic advice, make sure you have googled to know all about the people who will be interviewing you. If you can turn the conversation back to them… oh, I was very interested in your work on dah de dah. Everyone one loves to talk about themselves, even the Brits.
proudprogressive @ 43
It’s like Jane said, “Accountability is the new black and every day is Fitzmas!”
TRex
I never or hardly ever watched Crossfire either but tuned in that day I think because someone on a blog somewhere put out the alert to tune in as Jon was doing the take down. I was home at the time so turned the set on and it was glorious!
Glad to have that UTube link so I can download it onto my iPod for posterity. Thanks
proudprogressive @ 43
Josh on KO, what did he say? Inquiring Minds want to know?
Don’t know about empire but it sure looks like its the end of the home mortgage folks.
F*ck! My little cottage by the creek in the redwoods being for sale and all. Dayam, dayam, double dayam, drat!
TRex @ 44
I blame Novakula.
DrEvilPuma- and don’t forget to buy a round at the pub. Step right in. Not first, but not last.
Dover Bitch @ 32
I knew that day Crossfire would be gone, and counted the days — not many!! — until it was. Funny how we do not hear much about this extraordinary contribution of Jon Stewart’s to the commonweal. Just as Stephen Colbert’s speech almost a year ago has sunk beneath the waves.
In a just society, Stewart would receive a Medal of Freedom and Paul Bremer would be in jail.
I thought of a fun game to play. Who’s in?
Ok it goes like this. It’s called ‘Who would have thought?’. It’s actually a way to focus on good things as well as bad.
I’ll start.
Who would have thought that there would actually be indictments in the Plame affair?
Double bonus here, as there were indictments and convictions.
Raucous fun, eh?
So, who would have thought that…..?
It is interesting that the Fox News defenders of so called free speech are the first ones to cheer the physical attacks on the media that have occurred.
One need only witness Anthrax Annie C’s stated desire to have the NY Times building hit by a truck bomb.
They defend their right to their spin, they defend no one elses right.
-GSD
Valley Girl @ 47
I downloaded everything I could get on the senior research associate I’d be working with, which turned out to include some fairly detailed information on recent work that will certainly relate to the current grant. I don’t know exactly who else will be involved other than (presumably) the director/principal investigator, and he has much less Web presence. His specialties tell me, though, that his role comes mainly through the British seniority system; I don’t anticipate that he will be an active PI.
Who would have thought that Jane would be 2007’s Queen of All Media?
Okay, that one doesn’t count, because actually, several of us thought she would.
Valley Girl @ 53
Now that’s good advice!
I’ve never seen this clip before. It’ just too divinely inspired, that their standard routine riposte is so totally unable to penetrate the armor of “I’m on Comedy Central, you’re on CNN.” First attack “You’re not serious enough.”, Then “You’re not funny enough.”.
WHy can’t our politicians just lay it down on the line like that? You’re hurting America.
Cheney committed espionage. You’re stealing money from wounded veterans. You broke the Army. You broke the Constitution. We can’t trust you with the good china anymore.
balrog- here’s a good focus. Who would have thought that TRex would have become Mr. Late Nite, back when he first introduced his trexing idea to FDL? (no aspersions cast on TRex, but I just didn’t see what he would become, at that time.)
stratocruiser @ 60
DAMMIT, WE CAN’T HAVE NICE THINGS!
Suzanne @ 51
Ah contraire Miss Suzanne – your precious cottage is too exceptional not to be snapped up as a weekender paradise for any number of those rich boys in Silicon Valley. ;~)
Trex says…
Part of the problem is that half these people are looking for work and appearances are nothing more than auditions for other networks. I was watching helplessly today on Tucker as Bill Press was feebly defending Democrats decision to dump FOX, but then coming out and admitting he is a whore that will talk to anybody, including FOX. Frustrating.
Colbert:
“Shock in Washington where the Atty General fired 8 US Attys and none of them were named Patrick Fitzgerald.”
TSF,
Colbert showed that the Emperor was stark naked! That he nothing on but his birthday suit! He was laughed at! And the Repubs lost in 2006 and now we are going to get some back from the fool! Hooray for Colbert and netroots!
TRex @ 58
Excellent example. Jane’s impact is beyond belief (with a little help from her friends). Now she is the toast of blogosphere (and her little dogs, too).
Who would have thought that George Allen would have
macaca’ed himselfended his chances at a WH run?My cable bill recently increased — again. This time I suspect it is because FOX is demanding more royalties. Does anyone know if that is true, and if so, would a campaign aimed at Comcast and others providers to make them part of a separate variety package make sense. To see MSNBC I have to get FNC.
Who would have thought that the dems would win so big in 2006 and even take the Senate, and then roll over on Iraq?
ditto Suzanne that place of yours is special, it will be snapped up. There are still some rich folks out there.
Valley Girl @ 61
I’m a convert. T has grown hugeously as a writer and a snark-purveyor, and has turned Late-Nite into a valuable alternative place to rap. Cheers, and who’d a thunk-it?
Air America offers to host Republican presidential debates.
Ah well. It was already posted. Slow fingers.
Pectopah @ 69
Perhaps we should all send signals to Comcast by setting the cable boxes to block Pox altogether. If we did it virally and MoveOn jumped on board, it might send a message.
No record of “Crossfire” history is complete without this gem.
Frank Zappa makes Novackula eat yellow snow…
EvilDrPuma @ 56
Are you in email correspondence with the senior research associate? You could say, I have researched your work, and it is most interesting blah, blah. If there’s anyone else I will be meeting with, I’d like to know about them too. etc. take this free advice for what it’s worth.
And, do you know where you will be staying? And, you might get yourself prepared to talk about Blair.
RevDeb @ 74
Can we do that?
LoudounLib @ 68
Possibly my favorite Schadenfraude moment of the year. Along with Santorum and Burns. I didn’t allow myself to think it possible, but it happened.
Thanks for your kind words on the cottage. Unfortunately, since it is a stock coop, it requires a cash buyer as there is no ability to have traditional financing.
When youj see the LIVE banner wave at Fox, read it backwards.
Who would have thought Don Rumsfeld would ever leave the Pentagon?
TeddySanFran @ 81
Ding.
bonkers @ 75
This one kills me every time.
Who would have thought a woman would be Speaker of the House in my lifetime?
TeddySanFran @ 81
Last I heard he was still there. No?
TeddySanFran @ 81
Has he left yet? Last I heard, he had a staff of seven helping him “transition.”
EDIT: Ha, ha, RevDeb.
LoudounLib @ 68
And that, my friends, is a blessing from the angels.
Every time I see Colbert on TV I keep thinking: “They haven’t come for him yet?!”
ATTACK! ATTTTTAAAAACK! ATTTAAAAAACCCCKKKK!
RevDeb @ 85
Maybe, but I bet he’s not throwing his weight around and bullying folk. That would leak.
Allen would be the GOP Presidential front-runner were it not for S.R.(”I am Macaca”) Sidarth, you know.
TeddySanFran @ 84
Another blessing.
You can watch the Josh KO segment here:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..013016.php
TeddySanFran @ 90
S.R. Sidarth is a great American!
EDP- and while you’re there, you should go have a drink at the Eagle. It is within walking distance, and a very famous place.
The Eagle
Here’s a third argument for you, TRex — it’s called a free market.
If Fox wants to make their money shilling for the right, twisting and spinning more than a Chubby Checker record, they are more than within their rights to do it.
And if some folks in NV don’t want to let Fox make money on their debate, they are more than within their rights, too.
It’s called a free market. Fox may have a monopoly on right wing spin, but they don’t own the marketplace of ideas. In fact, I often wonder whether they even know where that marketplace is.
Stick it to them in the wallet — just like Ann Coulter’s advertisers are doing to her.
(How are those letters coming, everyone?)
Breaking News:
Bob Shrum advises Charlie Brown to kick the football that Lucy is holding.
-GSD
Another fingerprint left by turdblossom on the USAgate.
So who goes first? Rove or Abu? Who’s taking bets?
GSD @ 96
Oh, DAMMIT!!
I meant to include the Charlie Brown/Lucy/Football metaphor in this post and then clean forgot all about it.
Sigh.
Did spiderpaws ever catch a rat last night ? And did it look like Abu Gonzo..aka mr torturers R US.
RevDeb @ 97
Abu this Friday.
Rove, who knows? We’re still somewhere between the poisoning and shooting of Rovesputin. He’s prolly got some dirty tricks in him, yet.
RevDeb @ 97
Maybe they’ll both go together in the Men’s Pair’s competition.
Lindy @ 77
Sure, but you are still paying for a channel you have blocked. I do not want to subsidize propaganda. It may keep my kids from seeing it, but I want it off the menu completely. Plus, I am not sure Comcast would see that it is blocked, since it is done by the box.
Who would have known that Pete Domenici would be the Conrad Burns of 2008.
-GSD
RevDeb @ 97
Uh, Rev. Deb, my dough is on whoever you choose though Abu seems a safe bet.
WaPoO Chatz tomorrow:
Stuart M. Gerson, acting Attorney General at the start of Bill Clinton’s administration, at 10am Eastern, to chat about the USAttorney firings.
Money & Politics Reporter John Solomon at 11am Eastern.
Yay! Dan Froomkin at 1pm Eastern.
Questions accepted anytime….
G’night firepups :-)
Trex, a pertinent observation here,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
and here both Frank Zappa on Crossfire, one with liver lips novak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
The smartest commentary? we need help in America and Jon says more with those words than these fucks like tucker say in a year of evil frivolity that does no one a whit of good
And this from Bill Moyers..over an hour but chilling in the face of todays hubris and well worth watching.
http://video.google.com/videop…..5137118430
h/t Glen Greenwald
Who would have thought that Richardson would be virtually demanding the state legislature give him a medical marijuana bill. and how sweet it is to see leather heather and senile pete exposed for the corrupt bitchez they are.
TRex @ 100
He prolly should not accept an invite to go hunting with Deadeye.
And on note, that good night to all. Sleep tight.
Ah, Jon Stewart on Crossfire! I remember it well, and it was a thing of beauty.
A friend of mine thinks Tucker Carlson is “cute”. No grown man who wears a bowtie can be cute. Ridiculous, yes. Cute, no.
That goes for you too, George Will.
Who would have thought that Scooter Libby would ever be a convicted felon ?
‘nite, rev!
TeddySanFran @ 111
(raising hand) Me!
Who would have thought the Democrats in DC would find some spine?
newspaperbrat @ 104
Abu is done.
Rove is Bush’s blanky so he’ll be tougher to wrest away from Bush’s prehensile hands. But, it is now apparent to ALL but the most deluded of Bush sycophants that the Rove/Bush/Cheney axis of vegeance will destroy even loyal Republican soldiers in order to suit their petty partisan needs.
The bowl has been flushed.
-GSD
AZ matt glad you got that link from Ron, i did not mean to ignore you, my memory gets patchy. Josh was killer, well spoken and very well informed. And was called the “publisher” of TPM not a blogger. It was a mini coup. Words to mean something. as noted in a prior thread.
I have Fox “News” blocked on my cable…it’s disgusting. I’m calling my cable provider and asking them to stop carrying it.
Your post seems to contradict itself. First you say that it was monumental for Jon Stewart to go on CNN and challenge Crossfire directly, then you say that Democrats shouldn’t appear on Fox News for a debate. I can see the point of that, but I also think that it could serve Democrats to actually go on Fox and metaphorically call them a “dick”. Sometimes the time is right to say that the emperor has no clothes.
GSD, not sure if the bowl has been flushed but there is finally water in the tank.
Peterr @ 95
I almost agree, but with some important differences.
- False advertising: If Fox wants to present itself as a legitimate news channel, then they should be subject to something like the Fairness Doctrine, which should be revived in some form. Fox could avoid this by officially labeling themselves as a conservative/GOP network.
- Any broadcaster (broadcasting over the air) would be immediately subject to the Fairness Doctrine, as they are using a public resource. Licenses would not be granted unless there was balance.
- We should break up all the large media monopolies. No more owning numerous radio stations, newspapers and TV stations.
Rob Zuber @ 120
DING!
Did anyone watch Koppel’s our Children’s Children’s War on Sunday?
There was a Daily Show moment. Koppel was reporting from the CENTCOM control room, complete with Wolf Blitzeresque situation room TV screens. On the screens were maps of Irag, some uplinks, and…
a hockey game.
bg @ 114
Assumes facts not in evidence. ;(
Suzanne @ 119
We’re gonna need a plunger to break up some of the floaters.
Starting with the Turdblossom.
-GSD
Hate to nitpick, but wasn’t that historic Stewart zinger delivered in 2004?
GSD @ 123
707
Didn’t Gingrich get the “foreigners-can’t-own-networks” law repealed for Murdoch, thus FoxNews? Can’t we re-instate that law and seize it from him?
TSF–actually I think they are starting to enjoy some power. . .Leahy today, telling Abu that he was tired of hearing the platitudes, next time they talk gonna be under oath. . .piling on telling Abu to resign, etc.
Maybe I am just drunk. (snark)
proudprogressive @ 116
Plus Cenk was also on. Last week some other bloggers were on KO. Seems they are starting to booked them in lieu of the MSM.
TeddySanFran @ 127
Wiki: “On September 4, 1985, Murdoch became a naturalized citizen, to satisfy the legal requirement that only US citizens could own American television stations.”
kdeen-PDX @
34
You’re singing my tune.
How come a rightwinger like Clinton can tell Fox News where they can put it but TRex advises the same fear that drives Matt Stoller to stick out his tongue and put his fingers in his ears?
Make Fox News as extinct as the dinosaurs by delivering the coup de grace I say. Make them fear you rather than fearing them. Make it so that they would blacklist you just as Tim Russert does until the noise gets to be too much to ignore.
I love you, TRex, and your message. I admire what John Edwards did. And I agree with the attack on Fox News.
But don’t you see, TRex, how mixed your message is when you start off showing what Jon did to Crossfire on its own show?
JMO.
Best, Terry
proudprogressive @ 116
Thanks! I am sure KO enjoyed it!
SamFromUtah @ 125
Was it? It seems to me that it was after Katrina.
I’ll check it when I get home. For now, it’s time to head out.
See you guys in a bit.
TeddySanFran @ 127
Oh TeddySanFran – stop my pounding heart! Sounds like the perfect job for your congresscritter Madame Speaker and/or her allies, i.e. my congresscritter Farr.
ok got the KO show on now at 10 pm mt it reruns a couple of times per night.
john dean, Marshall and Cenk, YES. Olbermann is laying it on heavy. Gingrich his hypocrisy about affairs while pursuing clinton.
KO is on fire, we need more like him ! The appropriate indignation in his voice. And he leaves no stone unturned.
AbuG will stay on-the-job until Friday, and then quit in order to drown out Valerie Plame’s appearance in front on Waxman. There’s no way they can let him continue after that frightened appearance today.
Julie @ 110
I have a little story about Tucker Carlson and a “Crossfire” taping. My husband and I were in DC several years back for another occasion. I got some tickets to “Crossfire”. During commercial breaks, Tucker and his co-stars would take questions from the audience. Of course, Tucker was bashing Al Gore. I raised my hand and called from the audience, “Why not have Mr. Gore on to defend himself?” Tucker’s response to this was that Al Gore was a “loser,” and they didn’t want him on. Of course, I replied, “What’s the matter? Are you scared?” He made another nasty comment to the effect of “loser,” and I responded with, “He still got half a million more votes than the other guy, didn’t he?”
Tucker fumed through the rest of the taping. He’s remarkably thin-skinned for a media “personality”. My husband challenged another statement he made during a commercial break. To my surprise, the show staff was laughing right along with us. (My husband had initially been a bit worried we were going to get kicked out. We didn’t.)
I’m not relating this story so that people will think that I am quite the crusader or that I live to be disruptive. I remember the quote about speaking the truth, even if your voice quavers. I suppose I relate this to state that nothing will change unless we attack, attack, attack. The Right has had a free ride every day since Bush was installed and until November 7, 2006. Point out their inconsistencies and lies on a daily basis, repeatedly, and as publicly as possible. The days of “going along to get along” have gotten us (and millions of others,) six years of misery.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. It’s time to try fighting them on their own turf, with the truth.
-S
Dance, Monkeys, Dance!
Does anyone know the root of the winger slam “Dhimmicrats”?
I see that on only the most creepily vile rightwing blogs and have never seen an explanation.
-GSD
Strategerie, good for you and your husband! We need more of this.
I’m not surprised Tucker is thin-skinned. He reminds me of a whiney little brat when he doesn’t get his way.
SamFromUtah @ 125
IMHO, but I think Stewart’s comments were the beginning of the end for the RW, believe it or not.
He was the only one at that time that had the guts to call it like it was. I remember the shockwaves through websites and e-mail at the time — “did you SEE that?”
IMHO, YMMV,
-S
RevDeb @ 97
Nobody is going down because soon the REAL issue will get talked about by the wingers, which is: All those bastard felons and illegal aliens who are running around doing all the voter fraud, enabling Democrats to steal the elections, with help from some suspicious US Atty’s who smelled funny anyway.
Rove and Bush are the true heroes. They are just trying to protect America from the criminals, illegals and liberals!
It’s red meat to the Fox core audience.
Strategerie @ 137
And yet, there he is whining to Stewart that Kerry “won’t come on” Crossfire.
Meanwhile, when Kerry was on Crossfire, he told Carlson that we need a president who will get us off our addiction to oil and fund alternative fuels like hydrogen cells. Months later, Tucker was saying stuff like this:
They don’t come on your show, Tucker, because you’re the loser.
Tonight, Bill O’Reilly attacked the “radical movement” that opposed the Nevada Democratic Party’s debate with Fox News. O’Reilly said that MoveOn, “the Daily Kos or whatever that stupid thing is,” and others “use propaganda techniques perfected by Dr. Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi minister of information. They lie, distort, defame, all the time.” Progressive activists attack Fox News because “we report on them accurately,” O’Reilly said.
TRex, I am so sad and disappointed for you and for FDL that Bill O’Reilly did not honor you by mentioning you by name as one of those critics who so effectively attack Fox Noise and expose it for what it is.
Maybe you, Jane, Christy, Pach and others at FDL need to begin focusing on O’Reilly with the same level of single-minded intensity that Keith Olbermann has so effectively directed toward him. Maybe that will get his intention.
Don’t settle for being one of the nameless “others” that O’Reilly scorns. Rise up to your full 60 foot height and ROAR at Fox News and Bill O’Reilly until they give you the recognition that you so richly deserve.
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Phoenix Woman @ 88
I don’t think they are smart enough to figure out what he is doing…
steve ex-expat @
118
CNN had lulled themselves over decades into thinking that they were providing a forum for honest debate with Crossfire, as opposed to a clearinghouse for partisan hackery. Call it the delusion of the insulated.
FOX makes no attempt at such self-serving pretense, the occasional sacking up of Alan Colmes notwithstanding. If you know the game is rigged up front, don’t walk into the casino.
Now, the Clinton v. Wallace match was a setup that FOX got snookered into.
Their propaganda has been far less subtle, since…Thus, a verbally capable progressive, willing to do battle walks into the arena, but all FOX offers is the opportunity for a modest (at best) victory which will then be spun into defeat before the limo seat gets warm.
Far better to press for mainstream alternatives to FOX, and bleed them of all but the hardiest marks.
***!!!Rawwwr!!!***
***!Chomp! !Chomp! Chomp!***
Just a queeck drive by, I can no stay long.
!Thees post keecks the ass!
!Viva Sr.Tirano Reyes!
so.
OldCoastie @ 145
Correct – and I believe that that was Tucker’s mistake with Jon Stewart. He didn’t get that Stewart was not only making fun of politicians, but of pundits like Tucker also
Boycott Fox
OldCoastie @ 146
They really don’t. They think he’s one of theirs, following Jon Stewart to provide a fair and balanced perspective. And I’m not kidding. I’m really, really not kidding. That’s what we are dealing with, folks.
The one time I watched Fox this year (the Steven Colbert guest on Oreilly) I could not help but notice the christian crosses embedded in the news’ desk background graphics. As I recall, most of them are sideways, but the proportions are perfect and there is no mistaking them. I’m sure someone has commented on this before, but I was flabbergasted at the obviousness of them, and hadn’t heard of any discussion of it. Doubt most of us on the blogs spend much time watching fox, but next time you are obliged to such sufferage, might check that out.
Who’d have thought there were so so many gays in the Republican party and apparatchik?
Who’d have thought the Dems would take not only the House, but the Senate in the ‘06 election?
Who’d have thought a soldier who refused to go back to Iraq could get a hung jury over the question of whether the war was legal?
Happy Pi Day!
The video was absolutely wonderful. Superb gorilla theater caught live on Tee Vee. A once in a lifetime performance. I hope not. Thanks TRex and thanks to Jon Stewart.
Fox News at Its Finest: http://welcome-to-pottersville…..inest.html
MarkH @ 153
Who’d have thought the Democrats would get subpoena power?
:)
Pectopah @ 69
There was a bill circulating last year to require cable companies to offer channels a la carte. While this seemed like a good thing, there were some (non-cable) industry interests behind it, too, and I couldn’t quite figure out who all the winners and losers were. But it sure would be nice to be able to cancel Faux.
anon @ 150
Boycott Fox and boycott Fox’s sponsors and advertisers.
About PurgeGate: Anybody have an opinion on whether pressure might have been brought to bear on US Attorney Gregory White (OH) when it came to the timing of bringing the case Bush/Cheney campaign dough laundering against Tom Noe of Coingate fame?
Prosecutors knew what they needed to know to charge him far in advance, but there was what looks to me to be an unaccountable delay in filing them till after the 2004 election.
stingray @ 142
That’s fine. Fox’s total viewership is a small percentage of total households, and down 24% last year over 2005.
They can have the backwash. They always will. The rest of America has had enough.
BTW, Have you all seen THIS? (via kos)
From this email exchange:
From: Sampson, Kyle
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 6:27 PM
To: ‘Oprison, Christopher G.’
Subject: RE: Another Griffin article
My thoughts:
…
.4. The only thing really at risk here is a repeal of the AG’s appointment authority. We intend to have DOJ leg affairs people on notice to work hard to preserve this (House ‘members won’t care about this; all we really need, is for one Senator to object to language being added to legislative vehicles that are moving through). There is some risk that we’ll lose the authority, but if we don’t ever exercise it then what’s the point of having it? (I’m not 100 percent sure that Tim was the guy on which to test drive this authority but know that getting him appointed . . was important to Harriet, Karl, etc.)
Cross posted at ePluribus Media Community
anon @ 150
Shows on FOX I like and watch; NFL, Simpson’s
I like but don’t watch; 24
I don’t like; American Idol and eveything else
bonkers @ 75
I posted after you, my bad, didn’t see it, like minds..he skewers ‘em eh hoser!
Give up a Fox show or two. Spend the time watching something else or writing your Congresscritters.
When I was in intensive care, Pox Noise was the only gnus channel on their tvs. Little Willie O’Really is a nasty thing to wake up to from major surgery. Their 9/11 rememberance caused an asthma attack that damned near killed me.
I hear the distant thunder of marching frogs.
Great post TRex.
Rushton @
151
I’ve said it before.
One layer of irony is one too many for the brain donors who watch Fox News.
TRex delivers the red meat to the (1) angry (2) dirty fuckin hippies with (3) potty mouths, moi. Lean red meat. Go TRex. Feel the snark.
Neil @ 164
A year ago I had Comcast cable and watched it religiously (mainly HBO). Then I moved to a new place. I called Comcast to connect the cable, but missed the appointment. It’s been an entire year without cable; without any TeeVee actually. And you know what? I don’t miss it. I read, I blog, I email friends or go work out at the gym.
stingray @
142
Again the problem with this framery is that you are believing that Bush and Rove are all powerful. They can’t game the system half as well as they used to. Too many things are broken. 60% to 70% of America is pretty close to done with them and people see Bush as a dishonest hack.
Even the faithful guardians of the Bush Grail are heading for the tall grass.
-GSD
Suzanne @
79
I dearly love the photos of your cottage. I hope you find a buyer very quickly!
Dover Bitch @ 130
Thus relieving us Australians of responsibility for the monster. The sigh of national relief reached 7.3 on the ThankChristForThatometer.
Mack @
39
Nah, Randi Rhodes!
OldCoastie @ 145
Wonderful.
Who can forget that the MSM down the line totally ignored Colbert’s devastating satire during the Journalist’s Bush roast while doing rave reviews for an inane comedian? Colbert became a huge star after that I think. At least this old fossil had never heard of him before.
Best, Terry
Just knowing that Bill O’Reilly was thinking about me would make me feel dirty all over.
Fox TV viewers = 3 x more ignorant.
“The study examined three generic misconceptions about the march to war in Iraq – alleged WMDs, purported Iraqi involvement in 9/11, and supported international support for a U.S. invasion of Iraq. While three-fifths of Americans held at least one of these misconceptions at the time, speaking to the poor quality of American punditry, Fox News viewers stood out – their viewers were “three times more likely than the next nearest network to hold all three misperceptions.”
Any statisticians here? Is 3 x more likely a significant differnce. He he.
TRex @ 175
Loofah party!
;>)
Valley Girl @ 76
I must admit that I feel a little awkward about that…although I’m not so sure that the SRA in question doesn’t remember a short exchange on an email list a couple of years back when I was asking questions about matters that happened to be up her alley. I’ve also referenced other writings of hers from time to time, so I have some familiarity with her work. I’m sure I’ll be bringing that up, though.
I wasn’t sure whether politics would come up, but unless I’m walking into the only hotbed of neocon/neoliberal sympathy in the entire field of archaeology, I’m not very worried about the reception my views on those matters will received. And I am at least somewhat aware of the current “cash-for-honours” scandal dogging Bush’s poodle.
Julie @ 110
With all due respect, my father, a man who raised me to be a thinking liberal, wore bow ties his entire career. It was one of his excentrecities, influenced by the University of Chicago’s naicsent (sp?) School of Sociology. He devoted his professional life to helping others, and believed it was our duty to help our fellow human.
loofah spelled backwards is ha! fool!
sorry to digress again..but it is late night.
Suzanne you ought to consider NM , when the cottage sells. The cost of living outside of Santa Fake area is pretty low and dispite the shannagans of the last few yrs we are a blue state.
As for tv i don’t watch the networks at all home 24/7 i cannot do that, but i do watch movies, no commercials and cspan. I found that the network dreck drove me crazy. Nearly impossible to be around, too much c span until lately did that too. In the mornings i get to watch democracy now on free speech tv. A favorite..a day without Amy Goodman is a day without sunshine.
My dishnetwork has music channels,i get no other radio reception. Now i regularly schedule classical music and reading afternoons which can last for hrs.
Faux news is a cancer and they will have the backwash. People who think the pressing issues of our day as real and important as their fav. soap opera. How i know this, i asked a young woman who lived in Killeen tx why do you watch this shit ? her answer..i like the way they stir things up. I knew i was among morons.
Kristine @ 178
Ditto here, Kristine. My dad, a CPA with a liberal heart, wore bow ties every day. I think he was just showing off the fact he could tie them perfectly.
“Most people are just headless and panicking and don’t know what they want to do,” said Axel Merk, portfolio manager, at Merk Hard Currency Fund in Palo Alto, California.
Asian markets five on US subprime fears.
Tit, meet tat.
-GSD
terry hallinan @ 131
It’s not “fear.” It’s the simple realization that if the other team has hired the refs and made sure the people they hired are corrupt (not to mention the designers of the field, the groundskeepers, the helmet manufacturers…), you’re not going to win. In that situation, the answer to the question, “What, are you afraid?” is, “No, I’m just not stupid.”
An incredibly skilled politician like Bill Clinton can occasionally “win” even with those handicaps, but for the rest of our side, there’s no point, and even he didn’t “win” anything other than a few days of cheering from our side. Because Fox owns the refs, no regular Fox watchers have any idea that they were smacked down.
The “Crossfire” story isn’t a mixed message — “Crossfire” wasn’t a propaganda outlet, it was just a hack show that lowered the discourse. And, as was demonstrated by its cancellation, some of the people in charge of it were capable of shame, unlike Fox.
Spoiler @ 179
This guy is why I will not criticize the bow tie.
Kristine @ 178
I thought of Paul Simon when I read that dig against bow ties. One thing nobody ever called Paul Simon was cute. What a wonderful president he would have made.
Best, Terry
GSD @139..I have not seen that word but I assume it is a combination of the Turkish word “dhimmi” who is a non-Muslin living in a Muslim country and is a second class citizen but has some protections. The -crate is from French. I assume the right uses it as the Muslim equivalent of a Vichy collaborator.
proudp, nm is a beautiful state. my medical insurance through my pension only covers certain regions and, unfortunately, nm is not one of them.
TeddySanFran @
81
there are many who believe he’s still running the Pentagram, I mean Pentagon, because he still has an office there.
Ron Reagan’s nomination of Robert Bork ushered in the era of political brutality that was upped by Roger Ailes and Lee Atwater and perfected by Newt Gingrich and perpetuated by Karl Rove.
Robert Bork’s nomination was first blood.
-GSD
Steve @ 186
Aha, that does explain it.
Pammy Pooh from Ratless Smugs uses it often. Jesus General has a great slap at her on his site today.
-GSD
ah billo talking about Nazi propaganda – he ought to know ! yes they feed their consumers lies lies and more lies. And they slander, the american middle class, all us dfhippies. now older, wiser and much more angry and disgusted at what is happening to the world and our own Constitution. Our cries of disgust at american imperialism of the sixties were not wrong. How little we knew then how Right we were !
Fox is pure water carrying evil.
Redshift @ 183
Crossfire’s pretense of presenting two sides with only conservatives allowed to be anointed as lefties was worse than Fox IMO.
Michael Kinsley is a wonderful writer and a man to listen to but I was absolutely delighted when he replied once to complaints about his being the designated hitter for liberals. Kinsley insisted he was a lefty when he is most decidedly not one.
Then things got worse – much worse.
Best, Terry
GSD @ 191
Is that a link in your pocket or are you just glad to read me?
Dumb and Dumber
one of the USA e-mails btwn Kyle Sampson and Scott Jennings
intrigued by Jennings email address (gwb43.com) I did a little diggin’ and apparently lots of folks were equally curious -
Forbes
and there’s more – sorry TRex, just think this is going to blow up overnight and I wanted to get it in here
ooh I can’t wait for Ms Rayne to get here in the mornin’ !
‘night doggies
a little snark on your pillows
(courtesy cousin Josh)
nothin’ like a little hot Republican on Republican action before retirin :)
cbl @ 194
We live in Western Washington. That’s our former US Attorney, who’s stoutly refused to sit down and shut up.
-S
First, subprime apocalypse?
-GSD
Psychotic Pammy Pooh.
Breeder of Bolton babies.
-GSD
Tucker would still be an Ahole without a bow tie.
Pretty much, I want Brit Hume to have to eat hot, steaming shit on camera, nightly, until he loses his appetite for doing the news on Fox.
Spoiler @181
I was also, at least in my Dad’s case, a way of saying I’m not one of the sheeple.
It’s like the bumper sticker I saw the other day: You laugh at me because I’m different. I laugh at you because you’re all the same.
good gawd pammy pooh makes me look coherent !
Kristine @ 201
That’s beautiful.
The comments on Stoller’s Politico article are pretty revealing. Wingnut talking points appear to be that:
1. Democrats are afraid to go on Fox because of their inability to answer “straightforward” questions from a “real news channel.”
2. Libruls only think Fox is conservative propaganda because all the other news shows are librul propaganda. And we’ve had to put up with librul bias all this time! (It’s unclear whether the writer of this realizes that either he’s admitting that Fox has a conservative bias, or admitting that “liberal bias” is a lie, or else his “point” makes no sense.)
3. The majority of the country watches Fox News and thinks it’s fine.
(Then there are the scary bits of projection, saying the article is completely insane and gosh, if the liberals weren’t “afraid” of guns they’d surely be shooting Republicans…)
Strategerie @ 195
Good post on Rove’s involvement with this on ThinkProgress
darkblack @ 176
Ewwwww!
Nate @ 206
‘The loof, the loof, the loofah’s been mired’
;>)
darkblack @ 207
Burn.
Motherfucker.
Burn.
loofah? I always thought it was a flafil.
Someone better tell Alberto Gonzales that his canary just died.
Whitehouse turning on Gonzales.
Man overboard.
-GSD
darkblack @ 206
Hmm, Abu’s an interesting shade of blue. Does that mean he’s getting the ice-cold shower he most definitely deserves? :)
GSD @ 210
Quick!
Waterboard him!
GSD @
209
Alberto Gone.
punaise @ 212
Speedy Gonzales?
Suzanne @ 208
First it was loofah and then he went to falafil and then..well, EWWWWW… enough of this
GSD @ 206
Here’s a golden oldie from last November.
Note this line: “Obviously I’ve made some recommendations to my client.”
He still thinks his job as AG is to get Bush out of DUI’s and jury duty.
GSD @ 209
Pity. Someone mix me another martini? /snark
(singing) I love the smell of burnt toast in the mooooorning. Buh buy AGsquared.
Mack @
39
Randi!! Yeah, she could do it!
GSD @ 195
BTW, “Subprime Apocalypse” would be a great name for a band!
I falefel my chair.
You know, I’m not going to be satisfied unless this ends like ‘Hamlet’. A stage strewn with corpses. A knife in every back. A betrayal at every turn. One by one, they will all fall.
Oh, how ye fighty are maulen.
Do ya think AG will last until chimpy gets back Thursday? That is when he is due back iirc.
GSD @
209
Please, will some compassionate conservative please throw him an anchor?
-GSD
I have a friend who thinks of herself as ‘broad-minded’, who ’sees both sides’ and has Fox on the TV every time I go over. And, bless her heart, everything out of her mouth is ‘people are always Bush-bashing’ and ‘fight ‘em over there so we don’t have to fight ‘em over here’ and ‘they hate our way of life’.
I don’t have the heart to even try to explain…
And he could fuck that up.
But well said, DB. Well said.
Helen @ 214
Sounds like it is leading to hommous.
-GSD
Suzanne @ 223
Oh, I dunno. Two days is a long time, apparently.
Please, will some compassionate conservative please throw him an anchor?
Any network in particular, GSD?
Alicia @ 224
Alicia, it is your duty to gently walk your friend across the bridge to reality.
Do it slowly.
-GSD
TRex @ 218
And you, TRex, with your wicked
penkeyboard, would have to be Horatio:Alicia @ 225
Bring her to my house and give me an hour and a pot of coffee. I’ll fix everything.
terry hallinan @ 185
I-55 heading through the Illinois suburbs of St. Louis is named after Sen. Simon – the signs have a bowtie outlined in those reflector things they use on highway signs so you can read them in the dark. It’s one of my favorite affectionate public works tributes.
In our Botoxed, spray-tan era, we won’t see the likes of Paul Simon again anytime soon.
TRex @
221
I’m right there with you, TRex…
all day long, while thinking about this mess and the WH trying to hang all this on Harriett (I think that was the plan when this first started), the phrase, “runaway train” kept popping into my mind.
but I too am smelling the burnt toast…
Dover Bitch @ 231
I LOVE Horatio!!
Redshift @ 219
Opening act The Grinning Greenspans and Spanky Bernanke and the Dowettes.
Tying a bowtie is just like tying a shoe. Once I started to wear bowties, I stopped knowing how to tie a Windsor knot. Wearing bowties is a way to simplify, not a complexifier.
TRex @ 221
I could definitely see you as Fortinbras, TRex…
Every time I have ever worn a bow-tie, it was with a tuxedo and people kept trying to order drinks from me.
Suzanne @ 228
Britt (Ex)Hume(d), he’s perfect as dead weight.
-GSD
…and a sticky toffee pudding for table seven!
TRex @ 231
Naturally! That’s the key moment of the entire play, too. When Hamlet, at his fateful end, realizes that his search for order and meaning, his story, was more important than the answers he sought. God, I love Shakespeare.
Turblossom Jr. frontpaged on CNN.com.
So it’ll be Bush’s and Gonzales prosecutor serial slayings or the collapse of the stock market tomorrow.
Bush is gonna wanna spend the rest of his presidency loading lettuce with people who don’t speak English.
-GSD
GSD @ 229
I have tried that; with someone I love dearly. It is not so easy.
It’s the tragedy of America that you only have one Jon Stewart and thousands of rightist arsehats spewing neocon propaganda all over your media.
GSD @ 229
Start with, “Bush is a pampered rich prick.”
Begin with the truth.
Dr Zen @ 245
I’m typing as fast as I can!
‘A growing rift’, they say…Ah, for the bygone days of yesterday, when we could sing, sing, sing! away our shopworn woes…
‘When I stall for youuuuu…Will you answer truuuuue…?’
;>)
TRex @ 238
Shot and a beer for me please . . .
Maybe it’s the hour, but I laughed out loud at this one: Bush is gonna wanna spend the rest of his presidency loading lettuce with people who don’t speak English.
montag @
245
You could give her this quote from General McPeak:
who was the bonehead repug party operative that accidently(?) threw Rove under the bus the other night? Weh, maybe?
now Digby has a post up about a Washington State ‘pug party head that is ALSO tossing Rove under the bus…
Conduits
you ’spose this is the Republican party that has tossed shrub AND Rove under the bus?
Coming in late, but in full agreement. When I saw Jon Stewart clown that schmuck mit ohren und bowtie, I almost crapped my pants. “Yes!!! These fuckers can be beaten. Even on their own turf. Fuck ‘em!”
Stewart is brilliant. He makes it look so easy. Mere mortals (like me) have to do a lot of preparation for an encounter like that.
It makes me want to cry when democrats get their ass handed to them. Kerry got nailed in the second debate with the same line that nailed him in the first: “You had access to the same intelligence I did.” (Or something to that effect.) What an opportunity to say, “Where does the intelligence buck stop, Mr. President?” But each time, Kerry changed the subject.
We need workshops for progressives who are going into these battles — workshops coached by professionals, like Stewart, etc. I never again want to hear a Ronald Reagan say, “There you go again” without a very sharp rejoinder from his progressive opponent.
Start with, “Bush is a pampered rich prick.” Add callow to that; he’s a callow pampered rich prick.
Dover Bitch @ 250
My mistake… Bush is a rich, pampered, stupid prick. :)
legaleze @ 253
The adjectives keep comin’ in. :)
Alicia @ 224
My father-in-law believed the moon landing was done in a Hollywood studio. Need I tell you what else he thought? He called himself a Democrat.
The statistics that “prove” Fox News inculcates myths in tiny heads of watchers is proof that statisticians lie better than anyone on earth.
No one did more harm to the Democratic Party and liberals than Bill Clinton. Today even liberals can’T get that “suffering middle class” crap out of their heads.
Fox News is a cipher. She done. Never really did the job anyway. The real master of propaganda was Bill Clinton. Not likely anyone will ever top that bastard. Bush and Rove are mere amateurs by comparison.
Best, Terry
montag @ 255
Now we are getting close to the truth!
Can somebody send this post to Maryscott O’Connor?
Thanks.
chris @ 258
Elucidate the voluntarily media-deprived. Who is Maryscott O’Connor?
FOX news is a propaganda machine of the Republic Party and Bush is an incompetent warmonger. No wonder they like each other so much.
he’s a callow pampered rich prick.
“they call him callow: yeah. low.”
TRex @ 245
I want a TRex book. Heck, I want a TRex book for children.
He is a vile, callow, pampered, pig-ignorant, obtuse, arrogant, bullying, childish, petulant, shallow, little-dicked, mush-mouthed, pinheaded little rich prick.
Whew.
Let me clear my THROAT!
I’m just getting started, here…
I have a friend, a great friend, who buys into Fox. This guy does what I do, and has been doing it longer, and so I’m at his feet, advice-wise, for the profession.
You know that scene in that movie where the neophyte gets disillusioned? Yeah, that movie, no that one, no that one, etc. etc.etc….
If there’s anything worse than Fox I’m unaware.
punaise @ 261
“Eeeelec-tric fa-na-tic, gonna be a sudden fade…”
TRex, that sounded almost like the Cher rant in Witches of Eastwick.
TRex @
238
“Waiter!”
…illiterate, boorish, spoiled, gimlet-eyed, narcissistic…
punaise @ 262
I am spurious, Callow
;>)
TRex @ 263
Umm, you forgot eraser-headed. :)
TRex @ 263
That’s why I don’t get far with her, TRex. I try to start off gently, and then it just comes spewing out like pea soup.
lf @ 264
It’s more frustrating than talking to my friends at my neighborhood bar. I can’t scream in their faces.
YOUR PRESIDENT SUCKS COCKS IN HELL!!
Suzanne @ 266
I thought of Al Pacino in Scent of a Woman.
And then you turn your head all the way around.
I know the drill.
darkblack @ 269
“Oh! Callow Cutter”
TRex @ 273
This country needs an exorcism. IMPEACH the callow, yellow chicken hawk who lied us into war!
TRex @ 275
Yeah, that’s pretty much it. And then I pee on her floor in front of everybody.
Alicia @ 223
I feel your pain. I have a friend who works at the Pentagon, where they have Fox on all day (which is frightening in itself). He’s smart enough that he’s pretty much voted Democratic from ‘04 on, but Fox-isms constantly pop up in his speech with that “everyone knows it’s true” tone.
Alicia @ 279
I hate when that happens!
Redshift @ 279
That’s what’s so crazy – they don’t even realize they’re getting it from Fox!
TRex @ 280
You do?
Thematic Movie: Goodfellas [except they were smart].
punaise @ 276
“Five Easy Sleazes”
Hey folks,
Remember that game last year where you dragged a limp Dubya doll through a maze of white balls?
Here’s something way cool I found in my studies today.
darkblack @ 269
That’s a double whammy!
Redshift @ 278
This happens with my older son, who hears Rush on the radio at work. He has managers who are Fox listeners, so I hear that same tone.
But I show him by looking something up on the internet that Rush was wrong, dead wrong, about something. And we look in all sites, search the news, zippo for the “facts” that Rush cited. So he said, “Hm. I didn’t think he’d just…lie on the radio like that.”
This, from the son who bought me “Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot” and “Lies and the Lying Liars”!
TRex @ 220
I think King Lear ends quite similarly. *grins* Granted, i still have to finish reading it.
Alicia @ 286
“you bet your sweet bippy”
aliasofwestgate @ 288
We have to finish writing it!
Oh, how ye fighty are maulen
time for some Karl maulin’
aliasofwestgate @ 289
Oh, how sharper than a serpent’s tooth to have a thankless child!
People who watch Fox, are Fucking Obnoxious Nuts.
punaise @ 289
Sock it to me!
oh, sorry, when I say “except they were smart”, I mean that in a relative way, i.e. f**kin whacked out cokeheads kept it together enough to continue doing crimes.
The DEA becomes a decent metaphor for the current admin’s eventual fall.
I mean, c’mon, GWB was (as far as we know the operative tense is past, but there’ve been a LOT of lies coming out of this administration) a cokehaed. Period. Clinton smoked pot, but a cokehead? As president for eight years? Ridiculous.
Al Pacino… need I say more?
punaise @ 291
“On the Wafflefront.”
I think this is the funniest thing I have read tonight.
From TPM:
Brought to you by the original family values crew.
Best, Terry
TRex @ 292
If the elder Bush ever studied Shakespeare (which I seriously doubt), he should have made this a bumper sticker by now….
punaise @ 277
‘Callow clottay, a frabjuseratin’ day’
Alicia @ 287
‘Evil-Eye darkblack is th’ name, an’ th’ ‘whammy’ is my game’
;>)
GSD @
169
I think that we’re in a transformative moment. GSD’s point is important, as is Urban Pirate’s, as are others.
Here’s what happened just today:
1. Josh Marshall was a guest on KO, and even if I’d never heard about TPM, I would have been impressed.
=
2. At TPM, Josh Marshall put up a one word link: “classy”. It led to a blogpost at TIME (crediting Marshall with uncovering the legal purge). TIME’s apology probably generated more comments than any other topic they’ve posted, and it is a fascinating thread.
3. Andrea Mitchell posted an apology on MSNBC’s website — to correct her inaccurate report of polls about a pardon for Scooter Libby.
4. Joe Scarborough repeatedly used the word ‘idiocy’ to reference the prosecutor purge.
5. The long-dreaded mortgage disaster is starting to unfold; the financial news is ominous.
In Feb 2006, I happened to hear a very persuasive prediction of this disaster (from a real estate guru who leans Republican).
George Soros also predicted it in his book “The Age of Fallibility” (he was at the FDL Book Salon in June). I’m sure Soros’s prescience will be an additional irritant to the wingnuts who can’t stand him, but anyone who wants to revisit his book will probably be struck by the perceptiveness of his prediction.
A mortgage crisis would affect millions of self-employed realtors, buyers and sellers, title agents, lenders — the average home sale in the U.S. involves 26 people (cleaners, title agents, realtors, remodelers, newspaper ad writers, bank employees. The employment and economic ramifications are vast).
It’s just astounding that all these events are coalescing at once. And this is probably only the first pulse of accountability.
Heh. Love that line. Hell, most of the first act is all zingers. Particularly when The Fool appears. OOOWCH. How much you want ot be all of it would be beyond Chimpy’s comprehension, but would infuriate Darth Cheney. *evil grin*
GSD @ 182
Tit, meet tat to the twelfth power.
montag @ 296
smothered with syrup of hip A*P*C
readerOfTeaLeaves @ 303
Tit, meet wringer.
I have a brother-in-law who used to be normal, but he actually told me, “Whatever you think of Bush, he’s your president, so if you can’t support him, you should just be quiet. It’s destructive to tear him down when he’s been elected by a majority of your countrymen.” Ignoring the “elected by a majority” crap, I asked, “Then why did you and my sister tell BJ jokes when Clinton was in office? Even in front of children? Why are the rules different now?” That was at Thanksgiving, and it’s funny, I haven’t been invited to their house since…… (which is OK, they can subject their kids to that nonsense, but not mine.)
I just took the time to watch the Crooks & Liars video of Frank Zappa’s appearance on Crossfire that somebody posted above.
Frank Zappa was brilliant. I miss him.
TRex @ 304
I love you TRex; that was excellent!!
ok, this was probably covered in EST, but the shot of bush boogying down on the daily show followed by a quick pan to condi and laura in the corner side by side almost made me spew my cuppa wine.
condi is beaming away at dubya while doing a kinda white girl shuffle while the only discernible movement from the laura-bot is a slight twitching.
you can’t make this shit up.
*bows deeply*
I live to serve.
readerOfTeaLeaves @ 300
Today was only Tuesday of what portents to be a very long week for chimpy and co.
Margot @ 286
The thing it always reminds me of is a chilling story a war correspondent told about Bosnia. He was interviewing an older woman who told him about how they had to fight because the (government) radio had said that their Muslim neighbors wanted to take their daughters and force them into harems. The reporter asked her why she would believe this, when she knew these people and had lived with them her whole life, and she replied,
“Why would the radio lie?”
punaise @
303
Hip A*P*C?
“Diddlers on the Hoof”
mutzali @
305
Okay, there are pod people. “Invasion of the Body-Snatchers” was an instructional video.
My contest is not to be first but last cows tail?
I didn’t say this before..thanks for the good in your fucking face feeling I got from watching Jon Stewart articulate what we all feel and it felt good.
It would be nice if it was the last week.
Montag @259:
Maryscott O’Connor is longtime Kossack and now proprietor of My Left Wing, famous for her righteous vituperation against the lying liars of the right, who last week went on John Gibson’s show to complain about Atrios’ and Kos’ recent blogroll changes. Yes, you read that correctly. Amidst everything going on around us, she felt the time was right to complain very publicly on a Republican outlet about blogrolls.
I don’t remember the last time I felt so bitterly disappointed in somebody who should have known better.
montag @
312
“Welcome to the Hippodrome“
chris @ 316
And, I should have known better, as well….
punaise @ 317
Ah, no fair… YouTube refs are discriminatory to dial-up slaves….
But, I can riff on that…
“Welcome to Dunderdome.”
I’m late but I have to add one thing:
T-REX!!!!!!
youtoobz clogged? sorry.
montag @
319
the world is his Rocky Mountain oyster
“Diddlers on the Hoof”
“Welcome to the Hippodrome”
Cows With Guns
punaise @ 321
He is a Rocky Mountain oyster….
Suzanne @ 322
Yeah, a big giggle, that one. :)
chris @ 316
She has willingly played that role before in the pages of the WaPo.
montag @
324
hee hee. “bad cow pun”, “cow tse tongue”
Alicia @ 281
And that’s why Fox is way more dangerous than Pravda and Tass: the readers of Pravda and Tass knew they were being deceived.
Dana Milbank, via War and Piece:
punaise @ 326
Udderly awful, that is….
ugggh. have to fill out a bunch of medical forms for the new group plan at work. better sign off.
punaise @ 328
Well, Cornyn grew up on stories of Drudge Coy Mean.
punaise @ 330
night!
Everything is coming down to: “They serve at the pleasure of the President, so where’s the crime?”
IANAL. But, IMHO, firing prosecutors to protect thugs who are giving you money in the form of campaign contributions constitutes racketeering. That’s right, I’m calling the Republican party and the Bush Administration a “racket.” And I recommend a RICO suit against them.
Also I read that “wrongful use of a governmental instrumentality” constitutes “defrauding the U.S. government.” And, IMHO, firing a prosecutor for not harassing your political opponents constitutes wrongful use of government instrumentality.
Agreed?
montag @ 329
Um – “Toesung”?
***MOD NOTE – please don’t quote this comment – more than 4 nested quotes can bust the margins – Thank you ***
I guess that’s it for me, too.
Good night, everyone.
Oh La….
Words that cut like a Occam’s razor…
Very nice…
g’nite TRex. sleep well.
Cows With Guns.
Yeah, a big giggle, that one. :)
hee hee. “bad cow pun”, “cow tse tongue”
Udderly awful, that is….
Um – “Toesung”?
Zigfree.
Suzanne @ 338
Thanks Suzzanne – Don’t know how to go zigfree
Helen, I just did a cut and paste with my mouse instead of using the quote this comment button.
Wigwam @ 333
Agree with your argument against the slogan you enunciated here but I wanted to remind everyone of Michael Kinsley’s wonderful Law of Scandal:
Bill O’Reilly and Tim Russert and Chris Matthews and anyone else of their ilk can scream their fool heads off that everything was legal – and it won’t matter.
The stink remains and spreads.
Could possibly even bring down the president himself, however unlikely.
And it was all legal.
Do some more legal stuff like that, chumps.
Best, Terry
cut and paste with my mouse
Oh my, Suzanne – so simple; just did it myself
Glad I was able to help ya out Helen.
TRex’s post is
one of thethe best takedown of FAUX news’s current dilemma I’ve seen. When the dinodog took control of fdl latenight, some of us compared him to Hunter Thompson. But I’m thinking he’s gone way beyond where Thompson’s imagery could bring us, and is refining Gonzo to make it more meaningful at the same time he’s distilling Gonzo’s snark into something far more mature and biting. He certainly deserves a wider audience. That will happen in August, if not earlier.I could go on, but I’m home late and have to go to bed soon, and need to thank others here who have helped us bring a little bit of needed attention to the conference held near DC this week.
Thanks.
zigfreed and roy
cows tail
Berkeley is leading the way again. From the article’s headline on the front page of SFGate (SF Chronicle)
Wanted: Donald Rumsfeld
Time for me to explore the the underside of my eyelids. G’nite all.
Suzanne @
346
Can’t sleep unless I stay up until at least 2 and tonight is worse than others but I will give it a shot with the help of mother natures finest herb.
What dick should smoke so he can chill the fuck out.
Anybody awake familiar with issue of national security letters that are unlawful?
I watched Jon smack down the idiots on Crossfire. It was truly a thing of beauty. It’s nice to see at least a few folks waking up to the destruction of our democracy with tons of help from the MSM whores.
i love this shit!!!!
That bow tie got to be too much even for THAT loser. What a classic moment in American TV. Such a fucking Gem.
WTF am I doing up @ 2am Pac time? Reading Jonathan Singer at MyDD, who has more flesh for the already bulging corpse of Abu! This is looking like a stranglehold.
drip, drip, drip…
Who would have thought….?
Savor this possibility:
With a DOJ weakened by scandal, Patrick Fitzgerald decides to push the envelop, exercising the “plenary authority” granted to his office by Comey’s original appointment and clarifying decrees, indicting the whole WHIG group, including VP Cheney, with a conspiracy charge and related offenses.
Ponder THAT one!
Sweet dreams,
Bob in HI
Suzanne @ 346
that’s my berkeley.
where would this crimnal complaint be filed?
Bob Schacht @ 354
To quote John Kerry, “Would that it were, Bob – would that it were.”
BTW, Digby is rarely if ever to be missed… But Tuesday was essential. The whole day.
TBogg’s Tuesday bullseye.
Jon Stewart’s words here are exactly what I feel when I talk to people in my own town about the damage and rampage being done to my own river, the Kennebec, like in thousands of ish having their heads chopped off in the “green” hydro-electric dams on the Kennebec River in Maine.
Hey, I just pick up the rotting, headless bodies by the hundreds off the bed of the river.
Others never ever go near the river.
Therefore, they know everything about the dam and the river because they never go near it.
And I know nothing about the river because I pick up the dead bodies out of its shallows by the hundreds. I am ignorant.
Reality sucks.
Journalists report it.
http://www.glooskapandthefrog.org
http://www.dougwatts.org
Peter Tosh had a lot to say about this.
‘Morning, FirePups.
cbl @ 194
Emails to/from a political operative within the White House on RNC “letterhead” (i.e, privately owned domain gwb43.com)…these people are too f*cking stupid to be working on our dime.
The whois records on Scott Jenning’s email domain clearly show he was using an RNC account, just as Forbes online magazine said:
Cheese-on-rice, if this had been a Democratic administration, can you imagine the sh*tstorm that would have ensued if a political operative using political resources had so calmly co-conspired to obstruct justice with the White House?
Thanks for getting me stoked up, cbl. Guess I can skip the caffienation this morning.
I see one of the subjects this evening was canaries coming home to roost, or something. I just heard another one on NPR morning: David Green’s report from Brush’s South American tour. Apparently he’s wowing them with the same savoir faire that he showed last year at the St. Petersburg summit, so Green has filed a report that would be almost worthy of TDS. I think Green even spelled out M-i-s-t-e-r Bush. The segment will be up at npr.org after 8:30et.
Another late night canary sang at TPM, where JMarshall traced a timeline that culminated in a certain e-mail between Sampson and Miers’s office on May 11, 2006:
and began here:
Great reading!
prostratedragon (360) — problem goes back further than that, and Carol Lam was only the unlucky person to draw that short straw labeled “San Diego”.
looseheadprop — You out there this morning? I need a prompt, simple Y/N, to help me narrow my research. You know there’s a LOT to dig through, the net gets stretched a bit thin.
Peregrine. Y/N?
Good morning, pups. Only Judith Warner in the NYT today. For some reason I could not get blockquote to work, or preview either for that matter. As always, it’s a quote….
http://mgpaquin.blogspot.com/
Tea… I must have tea…. Oh, and help yourselves to coffee and Krispy Kreme donuts.
Mornin’ all!
Morning all.
Don’t have the time to go through the 200 comments since I went to sleep, but a thought occurred.
Pox has been on top of the world for the last decade or so because the Repugs ran congress and they had all the access they wanted. Same with the WH the last 6 years.
With the Dems taking over congress in Jan. and most likely the WH in the next cycle, Pox no longer has access to the A list of power brokers to come and fawn on their network. All they are left with are WATB’s. Pox is trying to figure out how to game the system as usual by wooing power though they will do nothing but slam it every chance they get.
They are becoming more irrelevant by the day.
That’s just another theory to throw into the morning hopper.
Oh boy. Full court press this morning, Abu G. on the national morning shows.
Lauer interviewing him now, supposed to be on ABC soon (haven’t checked CBS).
Abu’s giving the “I know nothing” defense (”Nobody told me, hired responsible people, confidence in my people, blah-blah…”).
Oh man, I sure hope people are TiVO’ing these (don’t have TiVO here). Gonzo is tripping on his words.
Lauer is making like a big boy journo this mornig, reading back to Gonzo the “absentee landlord” op-ed from Ruth Marcus. Actually asks him if as CEO of the organization, to use Gonzo’s analogy, whether Abu shouldn’t step down. Uh, no, says Abu, with far too many words to make his point.
Lying through his teeth to the camera, says the firings weren’t politically biased when Lauer asks if they were. Ri-i-ight.
Viera has Timmeh up now…what useless crap will Timmeh say? Says Republicans have been saying this is idiocy, hubris; says Congress will get to the bottom of this. (Right up until some useful tool like Kyl of AZ puts a wrench in the works…).
Oh, nice try, Timmeh. He sidles up alongside today’s GOP talking point but doesn’t quite use it (more on that later).
TREX, your’e right on the money! The Democrats were absolutely correct to cancel the Nevada Forum. What Democrats now need to do is to take it to the other MSM outlets, i.e. Face the Nation, Meet the Press, Hardball et al. Russert, Scheiffer, Matthews etc. have an Administration bias or are so journalisticly lazy that they need to have it thrown back in their faces. Quite playing their “game” and shame them for how they, as members of the 4th Estate, have done a disservice to the nation.
Oh foo. I’m in mod. Wonder what the magic word was?
RevDeb — you’re absolutely right, Pox no longer really has a grasp on this new terrain, where Republicans are no longer a majority, where nobody is trying to chase them in the market, where the audience has grown skeptical of not only their product, but the persons they represent.
We need to continue to hammer on them so that they lose more marketshare, fall into the mouth-breathing basement of television viewing, right next to the paid-programming in the wee hours of the night. It would be the biggest slam of all, for Pox to fail as a business.
Mmmmmmmm, Krispy Kremes…..
Marion, you *shouldn’t have*. How many calories in one of them littl’ suckers? Fresh Market opens today; yes, my preciousssssss! Fresh food, fresh flowers, & almond amaretto coffee – triple yum.
tommy yum drives by, waving and blowing kisses
Good morning! Gotta take the kids to school!
Rayne @ 368
And where the public is to the left of the democrats in congress.
Rayne @
367
Me too. And I barely said anything.
Rayne @ 368
Rayne @ 368
Thought I saw you in the comments on the Grayhawk Kos diary about Gonzalez and the DoJ. Pretty good overview to go along with TPM JM’s May 5th-to-11th 06 timeline. It all starts with Carol Lam.
There were a lot of links in the that very long Grayhawk post. One of the most striking for me was the Boston Globe (?–Boston something) article about the hirings in the Civil Rights dept of DoJ. Very scary. And it was all set up by Ashcroft, so Abu G. inherited a department that was already mostly gutted of qualified professionals. What a mess.
Daily Show: Is Cheney Losing His Clout?
a fired USA is being interviewed on CNN now…
twolf -
Tried to edit previous…….was the guy fired or simply former USA from Bill’s state?
Waccamaw @ 377
Yep, he was proud of his efforts to help in the Florida recount. He has since been replaced by one of Karl Rove’s advisors.
twolf -
Ooops again…….getting CNN & Washington Journal mixed up…..my bad.
Fresh thread, up and ready for the reading from Scarecrow.
Waccamaw @
379
Well, it pretty much applied to the CNN interview also. The only thing that upset the fired USA was when Gonzo said that they were fired for performance reasons and he should retract those statements and all will be well.
twolf, if you’re still here -
Linda Sanchez (sp?) did a very good job on Wash Jour presenting the Dem side of the USA problem. Glad she was a follow-up vs. lead-in.
I HATE calumniators. Especially the vile and slanderous kind.
This is hard to translate on the tubes but I am bowing to all four directions in honor of the mighty therapod.
Indeed, ATTACK! ATTACK! ATTTTAAAACCKK!!!!!
It’s a great way to start the day.
Hey guys,
Anyone else having problems seeing Scarecrow’s post. I’m using Safari 2.0.4?
inmymind’seye @ 385
try this link
The Democrats should treat Fox News the way the Bush Mis-administration treats Al-jazeera….that is with open contempt and derision.
-GSD
legaleze @ 198
Tucker IS still an asshole without the bow tie. It’s the casual geek look.
Fox News gets its audience because many Americans believe CNN or MSNBC do not give Republicans a fair shake. It’s ratings, compared to the other cable news outlooks, should point out that a number of people think Fox News is Correct in that assumption.
Why don’t we drop the word “news” when we refer to F*? As in “this is latest smear attack from FOX”. Maybe call it the “F” channel? Anything to keep suggesting that it is NOT a news channel. Use it often enough and see if more people don’t pick it up.
I don’t care if he’s a lieberyouth or not, I’d totally do Tucker in the b$tt. I like Olberman’s take in calling it the Fox Noise network. If I watched that channel and found myself taking anything seriously, I’d kill myself.
When Fox was showing pictures of Mark Foley as a Democrat on the news: I was talking about Foley with my mom and she says, “but you know, he is a Democrat.” “No mom, he’s not.” “Well, yes he is, everybody knows that.” She went and looked it up and apologized. Gee, how could she have gotten that idea?!
Whoah. Just watched this video – never saw it before.
Sock it to em Jon Stewart. Straight talk. Nothing like it.
And TRex – Gonzales as personification of the Peter Principle? LOL
LibertyLee @ 389
To suppose that CNN or most of MSNBC doesn’t “give Republicans a fair shake” is to plumb the depths of commercialized delusion.
TRex, you’re the best.
LibertyLee @
389
Millions of Germans believed the big lie that Poland had attacked Germany in 1939. And they still believed it when Russian artillery began to pulverize Berlin in 1945.
Faux’ rating share is approximately equal to the percentage of Americans who believe:
the moon landings were a hoax…
the Earth is merely thousands of years old…
fossils were placed by thy almighty to confuse impious mortals…
and the UN/New World Order launch “black helicopters” over the US.
The despicable Spiro Agnew was the most prominent mouthpeace for the Rethug’s big lie re “Liberal” media.
Those notorious liberals GE, Sumner Redstone, and Rupert Murdoch, and Lord Black.
Uh huh.
Sure.
I have pity on the millions of Amercians deluded into watching FOX. So many Christians blindly led to accept torture, pre-emptive murder, and wars of aggression.
I don’t blame most of FOX’s audience for their ignorance.
Our schools hollowed out by the Rethugs’ decades long assault on public education, further battered by the Rethugs’ assault on middle class incomes, most Americans have never heard of media literacy, much less the Treaty of Westphalia.
Their lamentable ignorance is no basis for public policy.
So I’m sorry a significant portion of the US popluace is so ignorant as to believe the immensely wealthy mainstream media push “liberal” values.
Ignorance that severe is so sad as to be pitiable.
But why on earth would anyone take such ignorant people seriously on any important question?
Civility, please, and respect: “You’re too smart to be watching Fox News. Fox News is for inbred toothless hillbillies scratching at their crabs.”
Wow! That Crossfire clip is amazing. I am madly emailing the link to everyone I know.
Thank you so much.
I think a very effective rhetorical tactic would be to start referring to Fox as “the Fox channel.” This does several things:
1. It calls attention to the fact that Fox is a propaganda outlet, not a news organization.
2. It’s technically correct, which makes it hard to criticize as a name-calling tactic.
3. It will drive people at Fox batty.
4. It will drive Republicans batty.