
(Image found via Brilliant Corners. This just cries out for a caption contest, doesn't it?)
Former National Security Advisor and long-time international relations theorist Zbigniew Brzezinski has a new book — Second Chance — which examines America's foreign policy leadership in the post-Cold War era. He was interviewed yesterday on NPR, and it is well worth a listen — and FWIW, he's graded the current President with an "F." As in big, fat failure.
The anchor tied around W's ankles? Iraq.
As James Fearon says in this month's Foreign Affairs:
In fact, there is a civil war in progress in Iraq, one comparable in important respects to other civil wars that have occurred in postcolonial states with weak political institutions. Those cases suggest that the Bush administration's political objective in Iraq — creating a stable, peaceful, somewhat democratic regime that can survive the departure of U.S. troops — is unrealistic. Given this unrealistic political objective, military strategy of any sort is doomed to fail almost regardless of whether the administration goes with the "surge" option, as President George W. Bush has proposed, or shifts toward a pure training mission, as advised by the Iraq Study Group.
Even if an increase in the number of U.S. combat troops reduces violence in Baghdad and so buys time for negotiations on power sharing in the current Iraqi government, there is no good reason to expect that subsequent reductions would not revive the violent power struggle. Civil wars are rarely ended by stable power-sharing agreements. When they are, it typically takes combatants who are not highly factionalized and years of fighting to clarify the balance of power. Neither condition is satisfied by Iraq at present. Factionalism among the Sunnis and the Shiites approaches levels seen in Somalia, and multiple armed groups on both sides appear to believe that they could wrest control of the government if U.S. forces left. Such beliefs will not change quickly while large numbers of U.S. troops remain.
As the ethnic cleansing of Baghdad proceeds, the weak Shiite-dominated government is inevitably becoming an open partisan in a nasty civil war between Sunni and Shiite Arabs. As a result, President Bush's commitment to making a "success" of the current government will increasingly amount to siding with the Shiites, a position that is morally dubious and probably not in the interest of either the United States or long-term regional peace and stability. A decisive military victory by a Shiite-dominated government is not possible anytime soon given the favorable conditions for insurgency fought from the Sunni-dominated provinces. Furthermore, this course encourages Sunni nationalists to turn to al Qaeda in Iraq for support against Shiite militias and the Iraqi army. It also essentially aligns Washington with Tehran against the Sunni-dominated states to the west.
As long as the Bush administration remains absolutely committed to propping up the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki or a similarly configured successor, the U.S. government will have limited leverage with almost all of the relevant parties. By contrast, moving away from absolute commitment — for example, by beginning to shift U.S. combat troops out of the central theaters — would increase U.S. diplomatic and military leverage on almost all fronts. Doing so would not allow the current or the next U.S. administration to bring a quick end to the civil war, which most likely will last for some time. But it would allow the United States to play a balancing role between the combatants that would be more conducive to reaching, in the long run, a stable resolution in which Sunni, Shiite, and Kurdish interests are well represented in a decent Iraqi government. If the Iraqis ever manage to settle on the power-sharing agreement that is the objective of current U.S. policy, it will come only after bitter fighting in the civil war that is already under way.
Read the entire Fearon article, and then ponder for a moment the craptastic mess in which the Bush Administration has mired us all. Fearon testified before the House Committee On Government Reform back in September of 2006 (PDF), and his testimony then is as interesting in the context of his even more dire outook today, as it is standing on its own in terms of his knowledge of the dynamics of civil wars.
When you read the Fearon article, the magnitude of the piss poor planning from the Bush Administration, their fundamental lack of understanding of anything other than their "yeehaw!" foreign policy, their failure to admit any mistakes so that they could move forward on better footing — it all hits home. And they are not nearly done yet. As Digby said:
As Bush and Cheney get more and more unpopular, their legacy becomes more and more predicated on the fact that they did the unpopular thing for the greater good. The more unpopular they get the more they have to prove.
Digby was discussing the Bush Administration in the context of this James Fallows article and a prior article from Sy Hersh, and the rising rhetoric against Iran, but I think the example applies across the board — in both the foreign policy and domestic arenas — as failure after failure piles up in one craptastic mess.
Some days, I just despair that things will ever get better, that any oversight will ever yield any change or accountability. And then I read something like this:
…A car bomb detonated last week on Mutanabi Street, leaving a scene that has grown familiar in Baghdad, a collage of chaotic images, disturbing in their brutality, grotesque in their repetition. At least 26 people were killed. Hayawi the bookseller was one of them.
Unlike the U.S. soldiers who die in this conflict, the names of most Iraqi victims will never be published, consigned to the anonymity that death in the Iraqi capital brings these days. Hayawi was neither a politician nor a warlord. Few beyond Mutanabi Street even knew his name. Yet his quiet life deserves more than a footnote, if for no other reason than to remember a man who embraced what Baghdad was and tried to make sense of a country that doesn't make sense anymore. Gone with him are small moments of life, gentle simply by virtue of being ordinary, now lost in the rubble strewn along a street that will never be the same….
And I realize that, whatever the outcome, I have to continue to try. For my child, for all the generations to come. We must do better — and we must learn from the current, self-inflicted failures so that these mistakes are not repeated in the future. Ever.
Related posts:
- The End of the Delusion in Iraq
- Torture: Obama Heeded Maliki on Abuse Photos, Says McClatchy; What That Says for Our Occupation
- Changing of the Guard: US Troops Withdraw from Iraqi Cities; Maliki Declares “Sovereignty Day”
- The Major General’s Temper Tantrum
- Rich Lowry Suddenly in Favor of Criticizing American Presidents on Foreign Soil





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OOOH RAAAH!
CHRISTY SMASH!
OMG! What an absolutely wonderful picture.
Yup, a caption contest is definitely in order!
Christy!
My friend refers to Bush as The Intestine-everything he touches turns to shit.
Isn’t that one of the excellent members of the Main Street Republicans?
/snark
my entry
“are those elephants in the gop crapping on our constitution AGAIN?”
Honey – the elephant got into the porn again…
GENEVA -
Iran’s foreign minister accused
Israel and the United States of posing the main threats to the security of the Middle East. The U.S. and Israeli delegations walked out during the speech Tuesday.
Jeesh, and Dildo Bill O and Sweaty Roger Ailes were saying that John Edwards was a coward and a Nazi for not being willing to debate on Fox.
Oh my, the tension is thick.
-GSD
pelosi live on cnn…
“This just cries out for a caption contest, doesn’t it?”
“The Democrats won BOTH houses?!?!?!?!”
We were warned!
Specially trained search elephant marks the spot selected for the Bush Presidential Library.
OMFG! Possibly the best/worst photo to ever grace an FDL post.
twolf1 @
10
edit – …or not. they dropped the story.. but you can see lieberman live on cspan 2 ;)
Friday afternoon – 3:00 pm est, Mr. Russert looks out his office window and confidently punches in his booker’s extension . . .
twolf1 @ 10
is it her a*p*c speech or something else?
twolf1 @
10
Is she explaining her AIPAC pander? As in, “They donated a zillion dollars to my campaign?”
The Republican mascot shows the true nature of how they support the troops and support the Constitution.
Here are the last three paragraphs of Michiko Kakutani’s review in the NYTimes of Zbigniew Brzezinski’s Second Chance: Three Presidents and the Crisis of American Superpower:
(NYTimes link might be behind TimesSelect firewall.)
Caption:
OT — mixed blessings. CNN cuts away from Steny Hoyer as he begins to make comments on the developments surroungind the dismissed USA’s. At least Pelosi got her comments out uninterrupted.
BTW, Christy:
The book’s title is: Second Chance. *g*
And the Dems are complicit, again.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl…..03,00.html
blech.
selise @ 17
I think it was something else. they dropped the story faster than elephant poop.
Oh my. That is truly dreadful to behold.
On the other hand, “craptastic” is one of my favorites, as made-up words go.
Christy
You’re right.
We can’t look away, we can’t give up, and we have got to learn how to learn from our mistakes.
Here’s a crucial line from part two of the Alternet link on the last thread, that needs some focused scrutiny…
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/43077
“Perhaps it’s not a coincidence, then, that the only significant law that Paul Bremer left on the books from the Hussein era was a prohibition against organizing public-sector workers.”
Red flags should have flown when that happened. Our own labor unions need to look at this closely.
“We have met the enema and he is us”
– GOP-o
What’s that underneath all the poop and pee? Why it’s the US Constitution.
An elephant is too good a symbol of the Republican Party under George Bush. Elephants at least know enough not to crap/piss on themselves.
JEP @ 28
why am I not surprised?
scarecrow @ 31
I agree, elephants are incredible animals and to associate them with Republicans is just wrong. So what mascot would you suggest?
Thanks for the spew alert on that pic ;)
Possible caption:
“Mission Accomplished”
caption: Bush, Cheny, Rice and the eternally-runny Rove are dropped off behind the convention center before their grand entrance.
Elliott @ 33
how about a fungus or some kind of bacteria?
punaise @ 29
707
The Ides of March.
Subprime fears and lower retail results…….
Plus the inexorable rise of gas prices as we move towards summer.
-GSD
angie @ 23
i found this analysis, “It’s Uphill for the Democrats:They Need a Global Strategy, Not Just Tactics for Iraq” via a link here (maybe it was even you, angie), that is very helpful.
it’s by tony smith:
i think what ET has been gently nudging us to do is to stop avoiding the doctrinal questions.
(note – my bolding for emphasis)
punaise @ 29
Oh, my. Humbling. Truly humbling, oh Great One.
Emission accomplished?
-GSD
“The terror alert evacuation order has been implemented”
I thought Clinton deserved a B (ZB gave him a C).
It is true that in some sense Clinton did not acheive any “lasting monumental” acheivements. However, those are not possible in every era, and when it’s not your era, your job is to lay the groundwork for when that day comes.
Clinton did a good job of that, preserving and bolstering goodwill around the world. He made America a partner in many agreements and generally made it possible for other countries to trust in the US. This investment in trust and goodwill could have been put to good use when historic times came upon his successor.
It’s not the contractor’s fault if the new homeowner dynamites the foundations.
“I agree, elephants are incredible animals and to associate them with Republicans is just wrong. So what mascot would you suggest?”
How about that brown pile on the ground?
Surely, it would be a more-accurate symbol of this current administration than our noble pachyderms.
Great picture. And I have long thought that all opposed to the GOP should be armed with this riposte to the party lies: “Mr. Cheney [Limbaugh, McCain, Gonzales et cetera] that is the biggest steaming pile since the elephant’s parade.” It works, it has the right mascotic association, and it won’t be bleeped.
sacarecrow, Elliott –
:~)
selise– yep, I linked to that yesterday and found it very valuable and am glad you did too.
It’s true.
Elliott @ 37
Um, I am dense. ‘Splain, please, 707?
punaise @ 46
you are the master!
selise — that quote from Tony Smith is right on the mark. This is why the Dems keep saying the wrong things about Iran and to A*P*C. they need to reject the entire premise of US policy.
“where’s the Gooper-Scooper?”
What AG scandal?
The subservient hacks at Politico.com have not any mention of the AG story up on their site.
Mike Allen wouldn’t want to miss out on the begged-for quails wings and Jim Vandehei would hate to miss the latest soiree held by the Greenspans.
Hacks…….
-GSD
Mutant Poodle @ 48
I was laughing so hard I fell off my chair
707 is LOL upside down
Isn’t that the politico staff and the rest of the apologists and enablers, standing just outside of the “elephant relief” picture with a broom and a mop-bucket?
Some messes just can’t be covered up.
GSD @ 52
That site is worse than useless. I look forward to the day it’s flushed away.
707
Laughing so hard you fall over backwards in your chair with your legs sticking straight up.
1,454 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hardin Smith:
“For my child, for all the generations to come. We must do better…”
Yes indeed dear friend, this battle will turn on the strength and power of the anger and committment of a mother’s love…remember Cindy Sheehan. I knew we were gunna win this thing when Mrs. Norske said “Bring it on!” on the flight back from Jamaica.
(And thanks for the explaination of the A*P*C thing…I don’t like it but it’s smart. These are real Nazis we’re dealin’ with…)
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LET YER KIDS DATE FASCISTS!!!
Elliott @ 54
Thankee. Always nice to know what all you crazy kids are sayin’.
mc @ 57
yeah, that’s it.
GSD @
52
Caption:
“Damn Kool-Aid!”
Professor Foland @ 42
i give him a C (in a system where a C is a passing grade), because we of the bs so many of his actions left us with.
especially israel/palestine. before clinton, i think a two state solution was possible, but the number of jewish israeli settlers living in the west bank grew explosively during his tenure (is not now something like 400,000?) that i just don’t see how a two state solution is possible. facts on the ground and all that.
i’m not sure his foreign policy goals were all that dramatically different than the neocons. although, he was MUCH smarter at persuing them.
and don’t forget nafta (and all the other evil trade pacts) and media consolidation.
‘course compared to what we have now… clinton looks great. A plus.
Caption:
“Aren’t data dumps supposed to be done on Friday afternoons?”
’spray the course’
The G.O.P. -”RUNNIN’ WILD IN THE STREETS!”
On Halliburton’s move to Dubai:
for the rest of the article:
Leahy on Halliburton
twolf1 @ 65
LOL
caption;
“Republican congressman proposes future plans for Iraqi occupation”
or maybe,
“Republican strategist creating Iraq/Iran talking points.”
scarecrow @ 49
we need to give them a different premise for a different policy. i don’t think most of them even “get” what’s wrong with their assumptions and how it leads to a more dangerous world.
Mosquitoes would be a good mascot for the repub-lick-ans: parasitic bloodsuckers that if you’re lucky don’t leave a fatal disease.
“…maybe someone knew down in the bowels of the agency, but no one in our circles knew that there were doubts and suspicions that this might be a forgery. Of course, it was information that was mistaken.”
- Condi Rice
These captions are so funny
photo caption:
Cheney on Constitution Avenue.
So what mascot would you suggest?
Liar Bird ? ? ?
in the interest of full disclosure, I love lyre birds and this is one of my fave Attenborough moments – besides, Jelllyfish was already taken
The stinky elephant in the room.
punaise @
29
As the great Churdhill said of Russia, so it is true that the Bush administration is, “A riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enema.”
“Furthermore, this course encourages Sunni nationalists to turn to al Qaeda in Iraq for support against Shiite militias and the Iraqi army.”
Is this crux of the bisquit? Divide and conquer? Get the brown heathons to REALLY start going after each other, sell a few weapons (Halliburton, Dubai?), let them slaughter each other and then we come in and ’stabilize the place for humanitarian reasons,’ aka: start draining the oil?
More ‘creative chaos’ Skull & Bones crap. Vast opportunities in the emerging market of “aftermath.”
fyi for those interested in the conference– this is coming up at 1230 on cspan 3
I woke up to a giant, bat-sized bug hovering over my bed, battled it out the window, then went to FDL, as is my wont, and…. Jeebus, that’s disgusting! I’m going to wear a raincoat all day.
I see the white-on-blue Phoenix sign at the top-left of that photo.
{{{{ I love the Lake…….I truly do}}}}
And the punster always shows up at the most propitious moments *g*.
I don’t think “spew” warning was the correct warning. I think “mini-throw up in mouth” warning would be more appropriate.
Pat_AlexVA @ 83
Pregnant Burp Alert? (PBA)
More Caption’s “TRICKLE DOWN” “GOLDEN SHOWER ECONOMICS”. WOO. That pic made my day.
another one “ENDANGERED SPECIES”.
This reminds me of an old joke.
What do you do with an elephant with three balls?
Walk him and pitch to the rhinocerous.
I think that photo was taken in front of our local Republican Headquarters.
angie @ 78
thank you, angie. i expect it to be painful – but necessary if we want a better world… we’ve got to hold the dems to the same standards we hold the repubs. no insane warmongering imperialist foreign policy allowed.
I agree, elephants are incredible animals and to associate them with Republicans is just wrong. So what mascot would you suggest? # 33
How about that pool of waste underneath the elephant??
For those who were following the A*p*c conference doings today, The Hill has an update on the Pelosi speech — all I could find at the moment. Pelosi got booed for calling the Iraq war a failure, just FYI.
thank you, Christy.
Good on Nancy! True hurts.
Bush started a war and prosecuted it in abject incompetence. Even if one would accept his premise for going to war, the execution was so amateurish that it long ago deserved to be stopped. How long do you let an F-student take a course? Bush has amassed F’s now for 4 years, time to make him drop the course. America is no longer going to pay for his tuition anymore.
truth. typo!
Hayduke @ 94
You were right, both times.
Caption: Freedom is on the march.
Titanyum @ 93
I think detention is the appropriate action. detention at the Hague.
uhhhhhhhhh – did I do that? ok dems clean it up
“Now who’s going to clean up this mess?”
Caption:
“Bush’s Good Side”
Hayduke @ 85
endangered feces.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 90
Thing is, AIPAC is not only out of step with most Americans, they’re out of step with the American Jewish community — which opposed and continues to oppose the Iraq war more strongly than America as a whole.
From TPM, Gonzo presser at 2pm EST today.
In the New York Review of Books, Peter Galbraith sums up the futility at this point of BushCo’s Iraq War in a nutshell:
GOP Faithful React To Bush Legacy
Pat_AlexVA @ 103
Hmmm. And it seems he’s cancelled his travel plans, too.
my humble caption contribution (oh punaise et al I am so not worthy):
Spew Alert!
Professor Foland @ 43
I agree. And he was generous giving GHWB a B. Poppy blew an opportunity with the fall of Soviet Union (with the help of Condi — the “russia expert”) in stabilizing Russia and making them a true allie.
Plus he could have prevented the violent breakup of Yugoslavia, by not coming home so quick from the Gulf. An aircraft carrier group in the Adriatic could have put a lid on it. A C- is more appropriate, and still generous.
I wouldn’t use any animal for a symbol of the Republican Party. A malignant tumor would be a more appropriate symbol for these anti-democratic folks
Neo-con theory serum, on-tap.
-GSD
Christy Hardin Smith @ 89
thank you christy – i’m hoping for something better than this.
And Galbraith also echoes James Fearon on the length of civil wars:
Dow’s down a buck 30.
Someone get Larry Kudlow on the line, we need to talk this economy out of the doldrums.
-GSD
Has watertiger suggested a caption?
From ThinkProgress:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..r-sampson/
Schumer Renews Call For Gonzales To Resign, Says Chief Of Staff ‘May Have Obstructed Justice’
captions:
I got yer executive privy, right here.
Remember trickle down economics?
Mascots
Rat
Snake
or
some kind of germ
selise @ 111
It’s all so disheartening.
The snake is a pretty cool creature. I’d rathaer have the mascot be a germ. Snakes also serve a bit of a purpose, unlike the GOP in general.
‘GOP pushes poop surge’
Christy Hardin Smith @ 90
Thing is, A*PAC is not only out of step with most Americans, they’re out of step with the American Jewish community — which opposed and continues to oppose the Iraq war more strongly than America as a whole.
from Selise’s link @ 9:29
like I said, jellyfish
Great Luckovich toon on Rove and Gonzo:
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/con…..index.html
Caption “Give me your hungry, your tired, your poor….”
Hello everyone! I’m on a business trip and have missed out on news for the past few days. I was reading a newspaper that contained the WaPo story about the attorney firings (it said several times that the prosecutors were fired because “they failed to investigate allegations of voter fraud” and didn’t even mention any possible political motivation. Then, I read the AP story that said the “Democrats are retreating on limiting attacks on Iran”, lead with this photo of Cheney looking like he’s soaring over the Democrats. Every article that touched on politics in this paper seemed to be hand picked to support the GOP and be critical/dismissive of the Democratic party. I realized it was time to find some reality-based news… so here I am!
(Interestingly enough, the paper’s editorials were chock full of information and were very critical of Gonzales. I highly recommend reading this editorial, where they deliver a blistering attack on Bush, the AG, and the Patriot Act).
Now that I’m here, I have accomplished two things: I have a better grasp on what’s really been happening lately, plus I know where I picked up the term “craptastic” from. I got quite the look of puzzlement from my spouse when I used that word the other day.
Wonder if Gonzo’s going to have a “Tenet” moment.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 115
Chuck Schumer shows gumption: First sign of the apocalypse. If, later today, Dick Cheney admits any sort of mistake or misjudgment, run for the hills!
selise @
111
That was from 2005. And it wasn’t a transcript — just Mark Gaffney’s spin of her speech.
don’t know what’s up with cspan3– it’s Katrina hearings, not Lantos.
hmmm.
Who could have possible predicted that both Scooter and Abu Gonzo would be accused of obstruction of justice?
retirin’ in five @ 127
Sampson, Abu’s COS.
Gonzo on TV at 2…probably using the Clinton excuse. Christy, are you sure that you only are taking antibiotics. Great snark today.
‘GOP 2008: A New Turd has Blossomed’
old gold @
86
Or…
What’s big and gray and comes in quarts?
Not only that — Gonzales himself lied in front of Congress. Even if it wasn’t under oath, it’s still a crime, as Atrios repeatedly reminds us.
Listen-up you un-American moonbats. While you are attacking our Dear Leader and his faithful minions Al-Qaeda is planning another attack!
-GSD
“Crap. Craptastic. The fantastic spastic place“
(a familiar radio jingle in the Bay Area)
Elliott @ 115
yes, we have our work cut out for us. but, people can be brought around. i refuse to give up… good people have been deceived… we can help undeceive them.
Pat_AlexVA at 123: Huh? Gonzo is going to get the Medal of Freedom? /snerk
oh, as far as elephants go, I’ve had terrible experiences with them. I’ve been spit on/sneezed on by an elephant, thrown off an elephant… vowed to never do anything involving elephants again. As far as I’m concerned, the GOP can use them as their mascot… and this is a great photo for them, too (although it did make me gag… but a lot of Republicans initiate that gagging reflex in me, too).
Has anyone already proposed “Trickle down economics” for the caption? If so I appologize.
cbl @ 119
that was 2005 – it’s now 2007. let’s hope for an improvement.
brzezinski was on the diane rehm show today, if anyone wants to listen to it……sorry no link……
Okay, I’m sure this is being said for the gazillionth time today, but the pavement is the American public.
OOOOOH OOOH OOOH!
GONZALES PRESSCON @ 2PM ET!
Anyone wanna bet he’s resigning?
BINGO !!!
caption:
your in trouble now.
Hubripiss.
to spend more time with Andy Card’s family
hey thanks Selise, wonder where I got such low expectations ;)
Phoenix Woman @ 140
I won’t make any bets, but i’ll be at work when it happens. Too bad we have no ‘net access and can’t listen to the radio back in the pharmacy. *sighs* I’ll have to wait until after work to find out the damage. *grins*
Adding to Twolf’s caption. “Turd Blossom Special”. In honor of Rove.
The Austin American-Statesman editorial takes a dim vieww of Alberto:
http://www.statesman.com/opini….._edit.html
“Anyone wanna bet he’s resigning?”
Christy — quick. The dinosaur suit.
cbl @ 143
well, those guys are as insidious as prions, taking over the brains of their victims.
Phoenix Woman @ 125
nope. the text of her speech is provided at the link.
cbl @ 141
Ironically enough? I work in a job that helps people fight pathogens when they get too hard to fight off. *evil grin*
christy-
thanks for proving me wrong and showing that we can begin to have a discussion of our entangling alliance here and doing the work to filter out anyone who would derail that discussion.
a propos of your comment in the last thread, the only one of those organizations that cheney gives his canned speech to, not many of them have nancy in to speak too (all booing aside)
i’m calling cspan to ask where nancy’s speech is!
OT – Chuck Scumer – ” Kyle Sampson will not become the next Scooter Libby, the next fall guy” http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..r-sampson/
On topic, Punaise, you are truly a punster savant
A debate seems to have opened up at FDL (starting from the last thread) about Pelosi. Let’s see what happens in the next month or so: for instance, after Waxman gets rolling in his hearing.
Phoenix Woman @ 142
That would mean admitting he did something wrong. Never happen.
Another Friday night republican news dump.
GOP theme song, by Harriet and the Vandals:
“Calling out around the world
Are you ready for a brand new beat
Spring is here and the time is right
For dumping in the street”
Phoenix Woman @ 141 – thank you! no bets, but i’m hoping!
x
American foreign policy to be determined by what terrorists think.
America mus not show weakness!
Sounds like a jailhouse philosophy to me.
-GSD
Phoenix Woman @ 142
I have mixed feelings about a resignation because once the guy is officially out of office, the MSM basically looses interest in the guy.
retirin’ in five @ 149
It’s not Friday. Today he will announce a special commission to investigate voter suppresion or voter fraud as he calls it and then blame Clinton.
OT somewhat
Charlie Rose had a political discussion on his show last night which showed that media, even of the public type, have learned nothing from the Scooter Libby trial. Skepticism? Forget it. They continue to put out the same tired product from the same tired sources. To analyze the already started 2008 campaign, Rose had on Albert Hunt from Bloomberg, Mark Halperin from ABC, and Adam Nagourney of the NYT. Yes, that’s right 3 conservatives to talk about the campaigns. Unsurprisingly, they spent almost the entire time talking about the Democrats. Of the Democrats they spent almost all of their time on Obama and Clinton, and of that almost all of it was centered on the question of money.
Now is it me or do others find this just a little, how shall I say it, incongruous? If you wanted to know what is happening in the Democratic race, mightn’t you think to ask some liberal journalists for their insights. It says so much about Charlie Rose and the PBS experience that it never occurred to him that there was anything wrong or unusual about this. Can anyone imagine Rose asking a group of liberal or progressive journalists for their insights on the Democratic candidates? On the Republicans? Me either.
Instead we get Rose facilitating the conservatives as they promote the construction of their narrative frame on the 2008 elections. What especially irked me was their complete acceptance that American politics nowadays is all about the money, without even a single doubt or hesitation that this might be harmful to the very concept of a democracy. You see that might require thought and reflection and that is not what these guys are about. They’re about manufacturing the Conventional Wisdom, the big CW, and then telling us that this is what we are really thinking –whether we like it or not, whether we know it or not.
Rose was not finished. He had on next Andrea Koppel of CNN and Jonathan Weisman from the WP to discuss Democratic efforts to push for a withdrawal from Iraq. Koppel just blathered. The Democrats are divided, how hard it will be, Bush can veto, etc. etc. It was only the very last newsperson that Rose had on Weisman who made any sense. He made two points that I have been making here. First, the House Democratic proposal is weaker than it has been portrayed since it allows Bush to avoid withdrawal if he certifies that progress is being made (something which he will certainly do). Second, the withdrawal language is not part of an empty resolution but a must pass appropriations bill to fund the troops. Weisman further noted that Pelosi was having fewer problems with the right side of her party than with her left because House liberals want something simple and clear cut requiring the removal of our troops from Iraq.
After all the bloviating that had preceded it, Weisman’s take was like a breath of fresh air. I can only think his presence on the show must have been a mistake. Someone who reported the story and not the spin? It was so very not Charlie Rose.
Phoenix Woman @ 142
In my daydream he does, but Gonzales resigning on the day Dems call for it in their own presser while detailing his malfeasance in the matter?
Not likely, but would love to be proved wrong…
Tom Toles on Alberto:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/….._main.html
selise @ 151
Ah, my bad — didn’t scroll all the way down past the end past Gaffney’s commentary thereon.
We’ll see what her speech today was like — considering she apparently got booed for calling the war a failure, I suspect it wasn’t exactly what they wanted to hear.
‘no pile left behind’
An overhwelming majority of Americans support Vice President Dick Cheney.
-Andrea Mitchell-Greenscam
To JEP @ 11
Love it.
I don’t think he’s resigning. MSNBC hasn’t even mentioned Gonzo’s presser in the past 30 minutes or so that I’ve been watching. If there was any media speculation about him stepping down, I think they’d be talking about it.
If anything, my guess is that either he’s going to announce that he’s canned someone on his staff, and/or wants to make a statement asserting that Rove and Miers were not running the attorney purge. He’ll likely claim this type of housekeeping is a common thing to do (MSNBC did say that Janet Reno canned a bunch of attorneys at one point in her tenure). My guess is that he’ll say that an internal investigation is underway and they won’t comment on anything but they will provide information (that they decide to leak) once it’s available.
My guess is that Gonzo won’t leave until the heat turns up much more in the kitchen. Bush wants him around, and won’t pin blame on him until they have run out of expendible underlings.
cnn.com main story:
Time to take revoke the reckless old man’s license to operate ever again before he plows into a crowd–but he’d always rather change the subject.
Shooter: “When members speak not of victory but of time limits, deadlines and other arbitrary measures, they are telling the enemy simply to watch the clock and wait us out,” he said.”
Message to Shooter: “”An intelligent approach to resolving these difficulties would be to design an exit strategy where the decision to militarily withdraw does not depend upon some vague notion of “when things are under control” or upon any expectations about free market transformation.” Chris Preble
Elliott @ 27
I think they’re all just trying to exhaust us to death with scandal after scandal, outrage after outrage, assault after assault upon the Constitution, to the point we are unable to move or speak, much less protest.
Again, this pic is a perfect symbol of what the GOP is doing to all of us.
twolf1 @ 167
“Diarrhea of a Madman”
Oliphant is a scream today on Libby:
http://www.uclick.com/client/wpc/po/
“No turd left unblossomed”
Marie Roget @ 165
He’s announcing that he will be making an announcement about his future later this year, after consulting with his family.
And Chuck Hagel.
Phoenix Woman @ 166
like i said, i’m hoping. if i can have my eyes opened, it’s not impossible!
p.s. thanks for your comment.
‘heckuva job brownie’
Highly unlikely that Roberto G. will announce is resignation. More than likely he will announce the creation of a bipartasin blue ribbon panel to “get to the bottom” of the controversy. Either that or he’s announcing some more U.S. attorney terminations.
Gonzo might be a goner. Consider this:
Abu Gonzo story on CNN now…
(no, that’s not a caption.)
Hugh @ 14 — check out Anna Quindlen’s new column up now on the Newsweek website re “Pundits for Pay.” ’nuff said.
Re: Trickle Down Economics caption:
edit suggestion: “Have-More Republicans’ Trickle-Down Economics”
When are the gullible “you can fool some of the people all of the time” wingnuts going to realize that from the prosperity preachers such as the piggish Falwell to the “tax breaks for my have-more homies” Bush going to realize that this is how the guys at the top regard them.
The Republibum mascot should be the warthog. With apologies to Vinnie….
from RawStory – Justice Department documents to be released in next hour…
if you look real carefully a tthe picture you can make out the image of Tapeworm Annie.
Alberto’s not resigning…Just taking a little cruise to the drive-in with ‘Man’.
;>)
Should Gonzales actually resign does anyone have any idea how the MSM will spin this in a postive light for the Administration?
The film 300 is called into historical question.
Deflating a conservative boner.
-GSD
liveblogging MSNBC now: reporting as “breaking news” re Gonzales/atty scandal. They are showing tape of Schumer’s statement. They have Kelly O’Donnell in Mexico saying that the Pres. isn’t talking about it, but WH officials are dissecting the info. Bush talked to Gonzo in 2006 about the firings (before they were fired) but “Bush didn’t direct the firings”. Harriet Miers, not the President, wanted the firings. WaPo said WH wanted them all fired, but “officials are telling us that Rove remembers Miers coming to him with the suggestion to purge the attorneys, but Rove remembers that he discouraged Miers from firing all 93 attorneys.” Kelly O’Donnell says that this is what Rove says he remembers – that it was Miers idea, and that he personally discouraged the notion of canning all 93 attorneys”. (note: the story didn’t say if Rove remembers discouraging the notion of firing any of them).
(Kelly O’Donnell really seemed to emphasize the point I put in italics. She delivered this line with a tiny hint of sarcasm, as if she might not believe what Rove claims to have remembered).
Looks to me like they’re gonna try and blame Harriet Miers. Amazing to me that they are going to try to say Rove remembers being the good guy. I think that makes me at least as nauseaous as the photo at the top of this thread!
Gonzo, Meirs, Condi
The load of useless manure Bush brought with him from Texas.
This week document dumps began on Monday. I hope next week hearings begin on Monday.
From TPM’s Mark Rosenberg (who used to work for the lobby and left them)
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/co…..l_approval
last night I was thinking/musing that they would try to replace Abu w/ A**ington
LandOfTheFree @ 189 – thank you! (i am w/o cable). exciting day.
As the circle closes tighter and tighter around the Turd and his Blossom, they will happily toss over any minions who will distract the media and their loyal base from their own grievous sins, just as they’ve used our military time after time.
Late to the party as usual.
My caption.
‘Hey George, hand me that Constitution, I’m almost done here.”
The end is finally nigh.
Intrade has just introduced a contract on the GONZALES RESIGNATION!
Go check it out. Should be a good reference poll on the scandal.
John Warner just issued a statement saying that he strongly but respectfully disagrees with Gen. Pace that homosexuals are immoral.
It looks like Pace’s personal comments are starting to whip up a firestorm. MSNBC has two people commenting that are very critical of the General.
love your writing christy. i believe one of the reasons we keep repeating our mistakes is that no one is ever held accountable for the crap they rain down on us. the dirty laundry is never aired. or when it is..it’s 20 yrs later and the damage has already occurred. jfk, rfk, mlk,operation north woods, gulf of tonkin,iran contra,murrah bombing,2000 election,9/11,iraq,2004 election….the list is endless and the same cast of characters are always tied to the event. if clinton would have investigated iran contra thoroughly, do you think the current cast would have been able to get back to the white house? why didn’t he hold them accountable. even though many were pardoned, the shit still should have hit the fan. do you know why he didn’t air the dirty laundry associated w/ iran contra? maybe the free trade airport in arkansas is part of the reason. we’ve been conned over and over. the country is in a world of hurt.
LandOfTheFree @ 190
(my bold)
I think this is more likely than his resignation.
If we are left with no AG and the White House nominates someone like Addington, who will be serving as AG in the interim? If the position is vacant.. wouldn’t that result serve the executive branch well?
It was only about a year ago there was talk of how exhausted the white house staffers were. Now there is much heavier attention paid to scooter, vp, rove, gonzales & many more. The wh staffers aren’t in any better shape than our military: people not reupping, hard to get new recruits, short on artillery & doing multiple redeployments. At least I hope this is all finally taking a toll on them.
GSD @ 189
Too bad what is remembered is what is seen in the movie.
The link for the documents about the lawyers is up @ Raw Story, Sorry no link, Adobe is pitching a fit this morning.
Here it is.
http://rawstory.com/images/oth…..7PART2.PDF
LandOfTheFree @ 190
Did HArriet learn nothing from Scooter’s bad experience?
Seems that Dick Cheney’s note about sacrificing one staffer to protect another could come in handy again.
cbl @ 193
Are you trying to give us nightmares.
caption:
Republicans love a pissing match.
I don’t see Gonzo stepping down (now) and Addington being put in the AG spot. Addington is doing plenty of damage in the shadows, and that’s where the Cheney cabal wants him.
Plus, there’s no way Gonzo would resign today with Bush not here. They’d wait until Bush was here, then have someone lined up to introduce as the new nominee.
Time for me to get some work done. I’ll try to drop in for more info later. Have a good day, everyone!
I was thinking that if you combine the USA’s DOJ issue with the NSA scandal you get a very interesting combination called Rethug dominance. First you get all this blackmail material on all of you oppositions leaders. Then you get rigged voting systems installed and verified by “team players” Play the fear card. Disenfranchise millions of leaderless oppo voters. And viola 2000, 2002 and 2004 elections. Norquist said something about that after being unpleasant for awhile the dems would eventually play ball. If Iraq wasn’t such a fuck up the dems would have lost more seats in 06 and we would be most of the way to the Mexican PRI’s 75 years of domination.
The mexican constitution is a very nice read, just the PRI had all the institutions in their pocket. That is Rove’s grand plan after all. The corporations (check), the media (check), and military (check)
And now throw in a serious dose of Carl Schmidt tian judicial control theory and bang. They are really going for the whole enchillada here people.
And now for something completely different …
Here’s a caption for the photo:
The Bush Presidency – A Retrospective.
Caption
Mommy,
where do College Republicans come from?
LandOfTheFree @ 198
BRIGHT SHINY OBJECT ALERT!
Abu presser AND Gen Pace picking on gays?
What are they doing today that they don’t want us to notice?
Eureka Springs, AR @ 201
The Dpeuty AG serves in the interim.
looseheadprop @ 206: I failed to mention that they said Miers went to Rove right at the beginning of Bush’s second term. So, perhaps this was before Scooter’s web had been exposed.
Something tells me that Bush is not going to want to get rid of Miers unless he has to. She’s an easy mark – many Republicans despise her – but she’s been very useful to the Unitary Unilateral Decider. They’ll probably first try to argue that this was her recommendation to fire attorneys, but there is nothing illegal about it (which is my understanding – not illegal, just unethical).
I think they’ll only dump on her if they can’t find another way out AND they think her taking the fall will quiet the investigations. However, I think Schumer and others are going to push forward with investigations, no matter if someone takes a knife in the back. And, I think they’ll force Rove to testify.
How would this work out, with Rove testifying to Congress in these hearings, plus the whole Libby appeals process (and his apparent cooperation w/Govt on it) underway?
Damn, I should’ve bought stock in popcorn.
punaise @ 175
rotflol…
still laughing…
angie @ 193
My guess is that they stripped it from the spending bill so they could introduce “No Iran” as a stand-alone resolution. I’m still willing to trust Nancy on this one.
looseheadprop @ 214
McNulty, god help us.
delurking for the caption:
“The Legacy”
looseheadprop re: bright shiny object alert @ 213: you may be right (although my gut says that the WH is not exactly in control of the news spin cycle at the moment). If it’s a BSO moment, my guess would be that the BSO is a distraction from the surge, and a so-called “Iranian threat” is close at hand.
Thanks lhp
I thought Harriet was planning on leaving anyway. If no law has been broken, she is the perfect elephant leaving the room.
LandOfTheFree @ 190
So what is Miers gonna say? Indeed, will be interested to see what Gonzo says today. How many people are going to throw themselves under this bus before somebody with a sense of morality (I realize I’m talking about Repubes here, but let’s just fantasize for a moment) squeals?
Kalliope @ 218
LOL
Harriet Miers resigned in January. Convenient to blame it all her now.
216; Harriet resigned in January.
I did not know that !
a commenter @ TPM 2/6/7
Tolman Confirmed as USA
I knew it was “some staffer” on Specter’s comm., but I didn’t know about his, um, promotion
LandOfTheFree @ 215
Rove has had his fingers in the USA/Judicial nomiations process from the start.
Chuck Schummer has all the info he needs to “out” this assault on the integrity of our Justice system. Turn ALL the rocks over Chuck!
Elliot- you owe me a Coke!
new caption…
“Karl Rove responds to a congressional subpoena”
Is there a “Depends” maxi for poor old incontinent Karl?
Maybe NASA has some left…
LandOfTheFree @ 219
Gen Franks is a total WH stooge. There is no way in hell he says anything that they don’t approve. Yet today, suddenly he is in loose cannon land picking a totally uneccessay fight over homosexuality?
I may have been born at night, but it wasn’t last night!
“Doughy Pantload had the day off”
conyers/sanchez presser on cspan2 wrt attorney purge and documents.
Elliott @ 223
THANK YOU!
and Dru too
The spin I see in cursory scans of Google news is that:
Harriet Miers wanted to fire ALL the US Attornies
Karl talked her out of it
mmmm…bullshit!
Astounding stupidity countered by astounding mendacity.
The 8 firings were
1 Targeted
2 Politically Motivated
and most importantly
3 Contrary to the public interest.
Resignations, prosecutions and more hearings to follow.
TPM has a story about docs dumped by the admin regarding the attorney firing scandal. The doc they refer to in this story shows how Gonzales’ office sent a memo to Miers on Sept 13, 2006 recommending which attorneys to fire.
This is interesting, since Kelly O’Donnell reported from Mexico that the admin says that Miers went to Rove at the very beginning of Bush’s second term (which would be about a year and a half before this memo).
So, it looks to me like the admin is spinning in circles trying to figure out what to say.
Dru @ 228
JINX!
Any way to photoshop the Constitution underneath the elephant?
erm – I really wish ‘edit this comment’ would woork in IE7….
Breaking per Josh/Muckraker -
Gonzales Was Reference for Ousted Prosecutor
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002744.php
GOP Dump
Verchiel @ 237
Darkblack! Where are you?
Conyers says they’re gonna call Rove and another 3 admin folks and a more from the DOJ.
Bustednuckles @ 205
Wow
I cannot believe what I am reading.
Elliott @ 225
Was that a pre-emptive resignation? Seems serindipitous she would depart so close to the revelations we now hear about her manipulative Machiavelian machinations.
So she’s the latest sucker on Rove’s list, thismust be the new WH policy “leave no sucker behind.”
Anyone else wondering just who will be the last liar uncovered? Libby’s kept us all from getting to the truth about Cheney and Rove seems somehow untouchable, again and again. But would they get called to the carpet BEFORE BUSH, or is Cheney really, ultimately the “protected one.”
When this scandal gets down only one survivor, will it be Bush or Cheney?
lhp @ 213
Pace said that yesterday, it’s picking up today because of the attention (mostly negative!). CNN was polling about it, and the anti-gay side was behind last I looked.
The DoJ dumped a mass of papers on Congress today. Apparently Rove was in on the USA stuff from early on – TPM has some of it up already – so they might have a hard time blaming it all on Harriet.
Didn’t realize Miers already resigned – that makes her a very convenient patsy. That explains why the admin is releasing info left & right that seems to put the blame on her (although it’s hard to imagine that she didn’t make these requests on behalf of Bush’s interest. Seems to me this just draws more scrutiny on Bush… but they’re using Rove’s “remembering that he discouraged Miers” as a ploy to make it appear that it was just Miers crazy idea, not the President’s idea or a GOP idea. I don’t think that’s gonna work).
looseheadprop 231: the anti-gay comment was not from Franks, but instead from Pace. He said that he doesn’t want to change the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy because he believes gays shouldn’t serve openly in the military, as he believes homosexuality is immoral.
Pace just released a statement saying he should have focused on the DADT policy instead of his personal moral views.
angie @ 242
typo alert – didn’t you mean “flacks“? ;-)
food for the lawyers here at the lake;
attorney firing papers
Verchiel @ 238
actually, that would be very easy to do, but I couldn’t ever forgive myself if I did it…
heh, selise — true that.
i am really liking conyers (even more than usual) right now.
he is behaving with the thoughtfulness and seriousness the issue deserves.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 202
Since the Attorney General is PART of the Executive branch (not Judicial), the Deputy Attorney General (his second in command) would take over responsibility for running the Justice Department. I see no advantage or disadvantage to the current regime.
oh caption:
I just need a god damned piece of paper!
(reminder, Bush once referred to the constitution as just a GD piece of paper)
CAPTION: Earlier today, Minority Leader John Bohneir announced the Republican-Sponsored “Safer Streets and Sidewalks Initiative”
From AP:
gonzales presser at 2pm to be covered by c-span2.
Fresh thread, from Phoenix Woman, up and ready for the reading.
This gets dumped on Sampson and Miers who are both all ready gone. I don’t think Abu Gonzales resigns today. Oh I think he’s going down, but…
Bustednuckles @
206
Amazing. Chatter—that’s all they think it is when people question their actions. It will be fun to see these people wiggle out from under the chatter of, say, congressional hearings.
caption-
gop mascot consecrates site for appearance of president later today.
Caption: A typical young republican response to the Draft…
Christy, dahling!
Have we told you how much we adore you? ;->
drinksforall @ 89
Tapeworms.
dmac @
261
Here is an addendum, from a nine year olds perspective, any republican ass hat will suffice as the model;
http://bp3.blogger.com/_rI45Mx…..1600-h/The Man Who Poops.bmp
thanks for another Mutanabi Street reference.
this pains me so much.
LandOfTheFree @ 190
It’s pretty clear that the strategy was to fire all the attorneys- make them submit perfunctory resignations- as cover for the firing of a select few that were not rolling over politically. They would then hire back the loyalists.
Clearly this would havew caused th collapse of all ongoing investigations and prosecutions…just look at what would have been terminated or jeopardized….all the Abramoff investigations, the prosecution of the Enron and other corporate embezzlers, the Illinois corruption scandal, and it wqould likely have been a way of stripping Fitz of his staff.
Of course it would have wreaked havoc with any domestic terrorism cases being handled by Federal Prosecutors…but since the WH put most of these under military jurisdiction it wouldn’t mean much to destroy the operations of the Federal Judiciary.
WAIT A SECOND! Isn’t that how the President can strip away the right of habeas corpus? If there is a national emergency causing the collapse of the judiciary (such as invasion or civil insurrection) the military can take over?
D’oh!
Marie Roget @
34
Ding!
An Inconvenient Truth
AZ Matt @ 62
…goes right through me.
Hayduke @ 122
Ding ding!
New Caption, “Freedom on the march!”
‘The Shit-talk Express’
‘Little Brown Footballs’