Political cartoons are powerful things. Back in the 19th century, Thomas Nast blasted public corruption of Tammany Hall, and skewered official hypocrisy (check out this pair of images showing pleading by Confederate leaders for pardons while wounded Black Union veterans could not even vote) where ever he found it. Cartoonists today often do the same, as Bob Geiger reminds us each Saturday, like this.
But it's not as simple as drawing and publishing.
In Sunday's San Francisco Chronicle, David Wallis took up the subject of Cartoon Censorship. Not censorship by the government, mind you, but by the newspapers that print them and syndicates that distribute them.
Sometimes, this is called "editing" which can be a good thing. Not every drawing that springs forth from a cartoonist's pen is good, and some ought not to be used. On the other hand . . . corporate fear can be a powerful thing.
As Wallis points out, newspapers are businesses, and skewering the idols of those who buy the paper is not often appreciated:
J.D. Crowe of the Mobile Register, a conservative paper in Alabama — or what Crowe calls "the Bush Belt" — admits he treads carefully when taking on the White House and its cronies. "Any time I do a cartoon that questions the administration … it's almost (viewed) like blasphemy," said Crowe. In 2003, amid the BALCO revelations, Crowe pitched a cartoon representing Halliburton as a bulked up baseball player shooting up from a syringe labeled "no-bid government contracts." Crowe's jab at Dick Cheney's former employer proved too sharp for the Register.
And there's access. As the Libby Trial demonstrated, "access" journalism requires access, and if a cartoon will cost you that access, well . . . cut the cartoon, as the St. Paul Pioneer Press did with a 2002 Kirk Anderson cartoon on priestly child abuse. Fear of "giving offense" is another form of this self-censorship, as when the Atlanta Journal Constitution kept a 2003 Mike Luckovich masterpiece out of circulation – "W LIED" spelled out with flag draped coffins. Even Joseph Pulitzer's paper, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, comes in for criticism by Wallis.
(Click on the Wallis link above to see all these cartoons in the sidebar to the Chronicle story.)
One person whom I'm sure is not surprised by these drivers of corporate censorship is Bill Watterson, the creator of Calvin and Hobbes. He left the comic business because he discovered he was spending so much time arguing with his syndicate about not getting into the merchandising business. In a 1990 commencement address at Kenyon College, he described the situation like this:
As my comic strip became popular, the pressure to capitalize on that popularity increased to the point where I was spending almost as much time screaming at executives as drawing. Cartoon merchandising is a $12 billion dollar a year industry and the syndicate understandably wanted a piece of that pie. But the more I though about what they wanted to do with my creation, the more inconsistent it seemed with the reasons I draw cartoons.
Selling out is usually more a matter of buying in. Sell out, and you're really buying into someone else's system of values, rules and rewards.
In the Wallis piece, Doug Marlette calls political cartoonists the newspaper's "canary in a coal mine." Once they die, you know you've got a real problem. Access matters more than the truth. Money matters more than the facts. Being "nice" matters more than calling attention to things on the uglier side of life. One set of values has been traded for another.
Kudos to the editors who remember their own values, and why they got into the news business. It wasn't for access, or money, or some kind of pseudo-niceness found by putting on blinders. The news business, at its core, is about telling the truth, even when it isn't pleasant; it's about exposing corruption and hypocrisy, even when it hits close to home; it's about being vocal, when the facts are being silenced.
And brickbats to those editors who have bought into some other set of values, rules, and rewards. You editors like this can call it whatever you want, but please don't call it the news business.
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HENRY WAXMAN.
Peterr!
brickbatz!
Marcy! Fitz!
Calvin and Hobbes!!!
Snoopy and The Red Baron!
Here’s a funny sign I just put up:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot…..h-101.html
“Of course, if Bush HAD gone to Vietnam, we’d probably all be speaking Vietnamese right now.”
Cardboard and paint…
Foxtrot
Thanks for posting this to a wider audience! I read it, but as a cartoonist, I thought I’d be the only one interested.
Interestingly enough, I’ve noticed the Chronicle, and now my local fishwrap in the North Bay, have started soliciting cartoon submissions from readers, similar to “Letters to the Editor” (in the local paper, they’re actually calling it “Cartoons to the Editor”). So maybe cartoons are making a comeback!
I really like the two contrasting Nast pieces about pardons. It makes me wonder what some of today’s cartoonists could do, if they wanted to contrast the pleading for a pardon for Scooter with the pleas for justice of others less well connected.
Which makes it all funny as hell (and exceedingly ironic) that Tom Toles of the WaPo has a “no editorial interference” contract….
dave @ 9
Well, if you need an idea, see my #10 above, Dave . . . and go to it!
scarlet p. @ 7 “Of course, if Bush HAD gone to Vietnam, we’d probably all be speaking Vietnamese right now.”
great snark. keep up the good work. bush the greater used to bust bush the lesser for his national guard service “my son george is protecting texas from oklahoma”
Tom Toles is currently one of my favorites. I have a cartoon of his from 1989, where four characters are discussing “the greenhouse effect.” One says, “What can we do?” to which another answers, “The biggest problem is automobiles.”
The four characters stand silent in the final box with the punchline, “Somehow, the discussion always stops at this point.”
Yes, this was back in 1989.
“One person whom I’m sure is not surprised by these drivers of corporate censorship is Bill Watterson, the creator of Calvin and Hobbes. He left the comic business because he discovered he was spending so much time arguing with his syndicate about not getting into the merchandising business.”
I think that isn’t true. I read the complete collection shortly after it came out, and if I remember right he said that he got into some arguments, but he got really huge and was able to have his way. I think he said quit because he got burned out, or reached the limits of what he could do, or something, I forget exactly, but along those lines, and now he’s doing painting.
The matter of business withdrawing advertising is very much a thin-edge-of-the-wedge issue. Big corps need to advertise–that means they have a rather symbiotic relationship with commercial news outlets. They think they dictate terms, but ultimately, they don’t.
The perceptions of editors and publishers is that they can’t offend the advertisers (this is never more true than in television), and yet, if they thought about it for five minutes, they’d realize that advertisers are dependent upon them, rather than exclusively the other way around.
Giving in becomes a habit borne of expediency, and not a good habit, either.
(I should add that the other big problem in this regard is that so many of the news outlets today are owned by those big corps… that doesn’t help things, either.)
Boondocks
Aaron MacGruder at the 2002 NAACP Image Awards
“I’m not exactly sure what the NAACP was trying to start when they put me and Condoleezza Rice in the same row.”
so I shouldn’t hold my breath waiting for a Family Circus cartoon showing W’s dotted line path through various forms of quaint mischief in the
neighborhoodMiddle East?Almost unbelievable:
AP – While conservative pundit Ann Coulter has been dropped by several newspapers for using an anti-gay epithet regarding Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, she remains in good standing with her book publisher.
the l.a. times has once again shrunk “doonesbury” down to the size of illegibility, an act i consider a form of censorship.
they tried this a couple of years ago and were forced to restore it to its previous size.
am awaiting the winner of this latest round: trudeau & his syndicate or the l.a. times corporate overlords.
I like Ashley Judd. As an actor and as a radical. Not necessarily in that order.
AP – Helping women to understand their rights is crucial in the fight against HIV/AIDS, said Ashley Judd in an interview published Monday.
I often think we got into trouble as a country because we lost the ability to tell the truth about ourselves.
here’s a cartoon:
Republican Chuck Hagel says he thinks Bush likely deserves to be impeached – and ‘opposition’ party Democrats who control Congress do not- they want to attack Iran just as much as Bush does!
Ha Ha! is it funny, no.
Alice @ 22
;0)
spork the III @ 23
;0)
John Lott @ 15
In the commencement address linked above, he talks about three years of battles (as of 1990), and the speech continues with this:
Five years later, he called it quits. Wiki has his letter to his readers announcing the end of the strip: “I will be stopping Calvin and Hobbes at the end of the year. This was not a recent or an easy decision, and I leave with some sadness. My interests have shifted however, and I believe I’ve done what I can do within the constraints of daily deadlines and small panels. I am eager to work at a more thoughtful pace, with fewer artistic compromises.”
Those “compromises” involve the whole merchandising culture that he labeled “obscene” in 1990. I don’t think matters improved in the years that followed. Yes, he’s pursuing other forms of art, like painting, but he gave up C&H because of the syndicate’s demands with which he could not compromise.
Bush is turning his attention (Bush plus attention; that is funny) toward Africa. Oil.
New CNN poll…
Should Libby be pardoned?
18% yes
69% NO
those thomas nast cartoons are powerful indictments and works of art.
his work was (almost literally) ‘draped in the flag;’ speaking with the voice of belief in guiding principles.
Alice @ 22
Or, that we let ourselves be flattered by those who told us things about ourselves that weren’t true, and who did so to mislead us. We weren’t skeptical, because they were always telling us we were #1, that we were the greatest people on earth….
scarlet p. @
7
BRAVO!
DING!
Non Sequitur is pointy.
(And, referencing the previous thread: the editors who would print the story about Libby and the Scientologists probably have a lot of Scientologists in their circulation areas. Those guys have a lot of money and big lawyers, and they aren’t afraid to use them against others. Um, sounds familiar…)
my 32:
sorry, that’s ‘editors who wouldn’t print’
CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll (Libby etc.)
http://www.pollingreport.com/whprobe.htm
Hobbes (not the comic strip) and his “Leviathan”. Some argue that this fits in well with ‘original sin’ and the Republican philosophy of do unto others before they get a chance to do you in. Yuk.
Cartoons can be tough: http://media.washingtonpost.co…..200736.jpg
Ben Sargent
Does the job!
http://www.statesman.com/opini…..index.html
P J Evans @ 32
And? Corporate Scientology uses its legal people to go after small targets in this country. It’s clearly for harassment purposes. Any large newspaper with some resources would find itself an equal match in court with the Scientologists and Scientology hates the kind of publicity that would bring. They’re basically bullies.
After all, what was the business of the Cruise visit about? Scientology, on the sly, wanted the US government to intercede on its behalf in Germany, because Germany had told them to piss up a rope, that they were a cult under German law and that was that….
Should probably read: “skewering the idols” rather than “skewing the idols”.
Great post, thanks Peterr!
OT: FYI, not so funny papers on cspan. It’s the AIPAC convention….
Cozumel @ 28
But it seems that Bush has told us more than once that he doesn’t pay attention to polls. Perhaps I am wrong on this. ;0)
Perhaps it’s not Hillary that’s running for prez in 2008. Maybe it’s in reality, the DLC that’s running.
Thanks, bdu — corrected above.
o/t
developing over at Raw Story -
Senator calls on Treasury to investigate if Halliburton move to Dubai linked to Iran deals
Read Senator Lautenberg’s Letter
worth it for the last line alone -
p.s. distinctly recall the good senator being pissed at Lee Raymond and all the other energy gargoyles about lying to congress – parting shot to the effect – ‘you’ll be hearing from me ‘
more from Unca Howie
Mrs. Retirin’ is kicking me off the tubes so a parting heads-up: Cafferty’s responses to question (paraphrased) “Should Abu Gonzo resign?” at the top of the hour.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 41
I’d love to see the bills he gets from polling companies. He may pay no attention to the results, as he claims, but he damn sure pays the pollsters to get those results.
Hmmm . . . there’s another idea for a cartoon: Dubya sitting at his desk with a pile of bills for polls, with the results in his trash can. “Nope, I never read the polls — I just commission them to keep the pollsters employed.”
retirin’ in five @ 45
Today’s Cafferty questions:
4 p.m.: Should Attorney General Alberto Gonzales resign?
5 p.m.: Should local governments have jurisdiction over illegal immigrants?
7 p.m.: Is a candidate’s character more important than his position on the issues?
respond here
From the land of You Have Got to Be Kidding –>
The impression here is that Bush will do what he wants, irrespective of polls. Else why are we still in Iraq?
bellesouth @ 48
By all means, rearrange those deck chairs on the Short Ride Cruise line. I’m sure the folks in NOLA and the gulf coast who are STILL living in substandard housing and can’t get the FEMA assistance they’ve been promised will be so pleased.
bellesouth @ 48
Okay, Joe, you’re admitting that the American people want you to get things done. Why, then, are you refusing to investigate administration wrongdoing? Why are you refusing to do your job? What about Katrina? (Oh, yeah, that would make your new friends look bad….)
Joe’s the only guy I know of that pisses on his own shoes, then tells himself it’s rainin’, and believes himself….
If I were Bush I’d pardon Libby. After the ‘08 elections. What does Bush have to lose? Self esteem? I’m dubious.
John Lott @
15
I’m sure it’s not a simple black and white matter. He certainly wrote at length about how much trouble he had over merch–especially irritating to him because a real stuffed Hobbes would destroy the ambiguous narrative of the strip.
He also wrote about the difficulties presented by the legal strictures he was under. He did not own the rights to his characters, under the standard terms of his syndication contract.
Personally, I think burnout did play a role. He certainly talked about when he took a sabatical. And I think he had the misfortune of getting what he wished for–freedom from the stricture of panels on Sundays. Just as the sonnet form can have the effect of inspiring creativity, being forced into the traditional model, imo, made his job harder but also led to better work.
He did certainly hate the syndicate and their willingness to put money over art, even though he readily acknowledges, as in the quote above, that this willingess was understandable. It HAD to irritate the suits that there were all these C&H teeshirts out there. I got one as a gift, but couldn’t wear it, knowing how he felt about these things, and knowing that it was certainly not authorized.
Sorry to go on at such length, but my extended family plays C&H trivia games.
ESAR @ 40– saw it this morning and it is decidedly not funny.
Harry and Mitch will speak there at 850pm on cspan2.
Technically thinking, I do think that Rove pays attention to polls.
Comic Book Version of America Dies, Too
http://wonkette.com/politics/c…..242373.php
Well, I see that Peterr made my point much more effectively at 26. Read all the way down before posting. And preview, preview, preview.
montag @ 30
When I was a payroll clerk it was the rule that what people got paid was confidential — and so it should be. But I did observe some strange things. There was one lady who was The Boss’s first employee, she was a maiden lady who had a very lady-like but unrequited pash on The Boss, a consummate salesman. He treated her sometimes like a valentine and sometimes like his mother, either way she was smitten and thought he was the best boss on earth and probably the best human being. Kinda like Harriet Myers, I guess. She’d get all flushed and shy when she got a raise and she’d thank him and write him a thank-you note, it was so cute. She got a raise every time minimum wage went up. Yes, folks, she retired making minimum wage. He bought her a nice Royal Doulton figurine as a retirement gift, she collected them. The company paid.
And then there was the assistant who was hired to start at more than the very experienced and conscientious man he was hired to assist was making after twenty years. He wasn’t a better qualified person, he was just a more aggressive negotiator.
So what’s my point. Well, it’s that I don’t think that we did buy this government’s bullshit as much as they said we did. We are surely not buying it now according to the polls, and it’s not making any difference. I think our failure is that we think we are the only ones complaining. We do not have to actually be a minority, so long as they can make us think we are they can do as they please.
There are thousands of us here, and this is just one blog. We are talking about our understanding of the country we find ourselves in and we are finding out that we see the same naked chimp in charge.
If I had a ‘Bush brain’, I might think that if the polls agreed with what I ‘think’ then polls are good. If not, they’re not relevant to the truth as I get it. Therefore…
montag @ 38
Actually, if I recall correctly, Germany ruled that Scientology was a business rather than a religion, not that it was a cult (though there may have been more developments since I was paying attention.)
Thanks Peterr, saw that SF article yesterday and the censored cartoons take your breath away. Click on them to make them bigger. Great story…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 55
Not anymore. I think he’ll be radioactive for other candidates. Maybe he could go back to an invisible bulk mail guy. But I don’t think anyone will feature him in a prominent way. He’s in Clinton “just win” mode. And he’s losing on everything. The need for the entire program to be disguised is now leading to its collapse. It almost worked, though. If they hadn’t had the hubris that led to Iraq, it might have worked (although Bush was looking like a one-termer before 9/11).
montag @ 51
Ah, a man who does not do his own laundry, then?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 52
Maybe, but what does Bush have to gain? Bush doesn’t care about anyone but himself, so if it’s nice for Scooter but it doesn’t help or hurt him, it may be a no go.
He may well calculate that maintaining the firewall through a pardon will prevent further damage to his reputation, but I’m not sure. I just know that if he adds it up and the positives don’t outweigh the negatives for him personally, he won’t give a rat’s ass about Scooter and his loyal service.
jayackroyd @ 62
Thanks and I like what you’re telling me. But I was thinking more along the lines of polls having to do with a pardon of Libby. ;0)
Redshift @ 64
I understand what you’re saying. Of course, are we to assume that Bush cares about his “reputation” outside of his restrictive and quite exclusive coterie of very wealthy Republican friends? ;0)
Redshift @ 60
There are some businesses here that could use some oversight. Like American Hertiage. And Dobson. And Falwell.
It still ticks me off that I give money to the 700 Club every month when I pay my cable bill.
And now I find out that the guy sitting next to me in the Starbucks did a six month tour in Iraq. He said he was as close to Cheney as he is to me right now. Cheney was trying to shake hands with a member of his unit who was being treated for a broken leg. The guy said “Oh, so you’re the guy who sends us out without armor and with guns that work.”
Are the neocons, one of Bush’s primary support groups, agitating aggressively for a pardon?
retirin’ in five @ 45
Per Cafferty, out of “hundreds” of responses, not a single one of them suggested he should *not* be fired; sounded like he thought it was some sort of record. *g*
Oklahoma kiddo @ 66
Heh. Hard to say. Considering the stories that have appeared about Rove supposedly being concerned with Bush’s “legacy,” I think he thinks he cares, but if his reputation is in the toilet with everyone except audiences of rich Republicans at fundraisers, I doubt he’d notice. I mean, who would he ever meet who would tell him?
montag @ 30
Reminds me of Four Preludes on Playthings of the Wind by Carl Sandburg.
Redshift @ 70
;0)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 65
LOL
But I think they won’t care about public opinion on Libby. Clinton (and the irony of the Marc Rich pardon resonates here, given Libby’s role) didn’t care about public opinion in his pardons. Bush I didn’t care about public opinion in his pardons. We’re seeing an expansion of Nixon’s “If the president does it, it’s legal” to if anyone in the white house staff does it, it’s legal.
The trouble, as emptywheel and others have noted, is that pardon only happens after an acknowledgement of guilt.
Maybe the seating in the entire Senate chamber could be reorganized along RGJoe/Collins lines.
/s
Clearly this stunt plays into Collins’ desire to flee the GOP brand. I also think it’s another RGJoe stick in Harry Reid’s eye. We need to keep an eye on this McCaskill, though — she’s wandered into Lieberman territory before.
montag @ 38
I have friends who both (at different times) interviewed at a [nameless for reasons about to be obvious] local business which turned out to be a front for Scientology. They didn’t actually do any business, but employees were required – excuse me, strongly encouraged – to buy Scientologist books, in order to stay employed and to be promoted.
Needless to say, my friends didn’t take the jobs. It may not be a cult in the usual sense, but it’s certainly not a religion in the usual sense. I think it’s a scam, a sort of Ponzi scheme.
As a Demo I am not much concerned with attacking the Republicans. I’ll leave that to others far more talented than I. But I do intend to badger the leaders of my party for letting the Republicans get away with this stuff.
badger
‘Marc Rich’. Very, very good point. ;0)
[Mod Note; Please only nest 2 or 3 quotes at a maximum. Any more may break the margins. Thank You.]
Peterr, Thanks for the post. Attached is an article on a fallen soldier and the heroes welcome he deserved.
A soldier’s last flight hits home
link doesn’t work go to http://www.boston.com and it’s highlighted on the news section.
TeddySanFran @ 77
;0)
Did I do this big margin thing?
Bush makes one wish for the days of Boss Tweed.
ccmask @ 82
Ain’t that the truth!
Thanks, Peterr. A one-two punch, following Christy’s last post. This needs to be said over and over and over.
One small typo:
OK: He’s one of my favorite criminals. I think he was a Dem.
I did it. I consider myself spanked. See. I take responsibility.
I got a big margin thingy as soon as I hit the comments button.
Also up thread there is a commenter whose handle (?) is John Lott.
If this is the John Lott who wrote the book “More Guns, Less Crime” I have to say I found it equally as valuable as your other book: “More Sugar, Less Tooth Decay”.
TeddySanFran @ 77
Thanks, Teddy, I needed that.
I wrote a comic strip for the University of Minnesota back in the 1980’s and 1990’s (yeah, it took me a long time to fail to graduate.) After skewering the president of the University on repeated occasions my partner (the artist) and I were called in to talk to the editors.
“We have a complaint from President Ken Keller’s office that your cartoon drawing of him is anti-Semitic.”
My partner and I looked at each other for a beat and then back at the editors. As if on cue we simultaneously said, “He’s Jewish?”
To their credit, our comic was never censored.
Redshift @ 60
You’re right, in that some German courts have ruled in that fashion. But, there have been other rulings forbidding them to proselytize in work settings, etc. In German law, what puts them close enough for practical purposes to cult status is a ten- or twelve-year-old incident where a Scientologist was hooked up with Willis Carto, and money was moving between his Institute for Historical Review and CoS. Being a Holocaust-denier in Germany is to obtain forbidden cult status, I think.
The outcome of the money exchanges was, ultimately, vague enough that the court didn’t pursue, but memory of that association lingers in the diplomatic offices of the German federal government.
looks like the L.A. Times dropped Tinsley’s Mallard Fillmore strip.
That was one laff riot after another. Edgy stuff….
Oklahoma kiddo @ 86
Unlike some other
Democratic candidates for presidentpeople we could name ;-)As a cartoonist, I can relate to the “censorship” that goes on in the newspaper business. I may not get rich with my blog, but I’m free to publish whatever I want.Subterranean Halliburton Blues would be as unlikely to make it into a newspaper as the Craven
Throwing people over the side. More and more this Bush administration is reminding me of the Nixon attempts to escape responsibility. Can someone explain why Chertoff is still with us?
AP – The Army forced its surgeon general, Lt. Gen. Kevin C. Kiley, to retire, officials said Monday, the third high-level official to lose his job over poor outpatient treatment of wounded soldiers at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.
from Pool Boy dot com :
I can’t believe I’m actually reading this: “consequences”, “potential impact of exposure on others who are undercover”
Sounds to me like Pool Boy and friend are preparing their three readers for the story of the treasonous compromise of Brewster Jennings. “There was no underlying crime,” my ass. If the MSM actually covers this, the Republic Party will be in its last throes, if you will.
Oh, Henry!!
LoudounLib @ 92
;0)!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 94
I’m guessing it’s because he’s not military. No one is going to get angrier about the Walter Reed mess than career military folks, and the behind-the-scenes pressure on the idiots who screwed this up has got to be intense.
At DHS, on the other hand, not so much. “Pressure? What pressure?” When you live in a vacuum like Chertoff does, there’s no pressure to speak of.
Others I wonder about include Alberto Gonzalez and Karl Rove.
OT – Elder Bush treated for dehydration – sorry if posted before.
ccmask @ 85
I believe you are correct. Some Dems annoy me. ;0)
Peterr @ 97
;0)!!!
fyi:
(spam edit & bold mine)
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow…..00540.html
Hey folks, sorry if this has been covered, but did Fitz ever agree to attend the Q/A session with Mr. Waxman?
angie @ 101
This is disturbing.
That pigfucker, Lieberman, with his “Now-that-the-reality-turds-are-landing-on-our-heads-let’s-be-all-bipartisan…” shit….
No way, dude. We got your bi-partisanship right here…(vulgar, bi-partisan crotch-grab)
My local paper ran this editorial cartoon today
http://www.mctcampus.com/carto…..cs/002/829
–by Don Wright of The Palm Beach Post (original run 3/8).
It shows guards with nets chasing a man, with the comment Oh God! Cheney’s on the loose again.
Gotta spread the meme that the veep is batshit crazy.
Balrog @
102
My recollection is that Henry invited Fitz to meet; whether that meeting results in a sworn appearance before the committee is as yet unclear.
wait, there’s more disturbing things afoot:
http://houseoflabor.tpmcafe.co…..pac_letter
Perhaps we can get Joe Lieberman and Susan Collins to bring their “Bi-Partisan Musical Chairs Game” on the road.
Imagine, they can seat the Tamil Tigers next to the Sri Lankans and Hamas next to the Israelis and the Iraqi Shiites next to the Sunnis.
If only they’d been around during WWII we might have avoided 50 million dead.
-GSD
I want a homeland for the Palestinians as was rightly done in 1948 for the people of Israel. It’s fair and right.
GSD @ 108
Don’t forget the PRC next to Taiwan, and the trio of Japan/South Korea/North Korea!
I do not like it that I have this uncomfortable feeling that somehow I am complict in supporting (through my taxes) the gulag that is Gaza.
Me too, OK @ 109.
When I think how so many all over Asia and Africa (and the world) live with violence and despair daily, I cringe and realize just how much we really are spared.
But we are also responsible for so much of the same misery.
from the dept of believe it or not or new rules:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..ood_safety
Watching AI*AC on cspan today, certainly made clear that they own the hatred against Palestinians and Iran and will use US as much as we let them.
jmho
angie @
107
even more disturbing:
More than 1,200 students are attending AIPAC’s 2007 Policy Conference from 391 colleges and universities, showcasing the strength of the pro-Israel movement on campus. The student delegates include more than 160 student-body presidents from all 50 states and the District of Columbia, as well as scores of delegates from Christian institutions and Historically Black Colleges and UniversitiesThe students will participate in a special track of Conference programming designed specifically for them, including a Campus Awards Luncheon and breakout sessions exploring issues facing AIPAC activists at universities, colleges and high schools.
The issues facing AIPAC activists on campus are generally questions involving their free speech and the free speech of students opposed to the militant and militaristic aspects of Zionism. These kids are being trained to spy on their profs and create obstacles to free expression by Muslims and to other students who wish to make presentations sympathetic to Palestinian rights.
People asked earlier today for links to AIPAC speeches. Jerusalem Post is offering videos and transcripts. I believe AIPAC will begin offering discreetly similar services tomorrow.
http://www.comics.com/
one of my favorite websites
and they have an editorial section
used to go in there just to read speedbump, and then got hooked exploring
i go to doonesbury.com or wapo for doonesbury, not on comics.com
I admonish all who are oppressed and illegally occupied, and have their women and children killed, assaulted, and maimed by foreign powers, to rise up and fight.
First a Mooselim, now an atheist!
Why won’t you raving moonbats admit that Christianity is under attack!
Congressman Stark cops to atheism.
-GSD
The Bush administration is turning their ugly military attention to Africa. Why? Oil.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 114
It’s not j your ho. ;0)
Andrea (Did you or did you not know that Valerie Plame worked at the CIA prior to Novak’s column?) Mitchell was on “Hardball” saying that Bush should pardon Libby and that polls show a majority of Americans support this view. The only poll I’ve seen (CNN’s) has pro-pardoners at 18% and anti-pardoners at 69%. I’m now less interested in what Mitchell knew about Plame and much more interested in who she buys her marijuana from. That’s some primo shit.
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Truthiness
by kos
Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 03:17:06 PM PDT
Atrios is still watching TV:
Andrea Mitchell, Hardball just now:
They’re going to try to really tamp this down and appeal to the polling which indicates that most people think, in fact, that he should be pardoned. Scooter Libby should be pardoned.
CNN poll says 18% support pardon.
Our local political cartoonist, Mark Streeter, regularly takes on Bushco, for which I bless him. Of course, he equally regularly gets castigated in the letters to the editor by knuckle-walkers howling for him to be fired. My guess is that the Savannah Daily Disappointment keeps him on just so they can say they have a “liberal” on the editorial page.
ok kiddo
in a way i hate to pass this on-but a family member put it all into perspective for me years and years ago—-isn’t going to happen……they have no resources—no natural resources and no money and no strategic spots we need……..the only way it will happen is to end war…….and you see how that has changed the world……..but i still believe that the end war in the world will win…..and that’s what i said, even though i knew they were probably predicting what would come in the future…….they’ll get it when people get tired of fighting…….and it makes me as sick now as when i heard the truth from my family member……..i was young then, and it broke my heart when they said it, and they knew it would, but told it to me as a hard truth i needed to learn, they have no resources, so it won’t end, until someone else ends it…….and the someone else (israel) doesn’t want to end it. i will keep hoping, just as i did back then, that it will end.
Frankly I like Hugo Chavez more and more every day. Democracy Now is covering a speech of his today.
Thanks for that ET @ 115– it is truly disturbing and all people should be made aware.
The potential is staggering.
ESAR– Chavez is a pretty smart leader and is well-liked by his people…unlike a certain-you-know-who. I did read his speech at DN!
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Sally @ 123
Mrs. Greenscam.
-GSD
Oklahoma kiddo @ 119
Nigeria and the west coast of Africa is nice untapped source of Texas tea.
-GSD
Eureka Springs, AR @ 125
Don’t think he’s going to get any points for dissing George Washington, though… at least not in this country….
Not enough people have read A People’s History of the United States.
dmac @ 125
in a way i hate to pass this on-but a family member put it all into perspective for me years and years ago—-isn’t going to happen……they have no resources—no natural resources and no money and no strategic spots we need……..the only way it will happen is to end war…….and you see how that has changed the world……..but i still believe that the end war in the world will win…..and that’s what i said, even though i knew they were probably predicting what would come in the future…….they’ll get it when people get tired of fighting…….and it makes me as sick now as when i heard the truth from my family member……..i was young then, and it broke my heart when they said it, and they knew it would, but told it to me as a hard truth i needed to learn, they have no resources, so it won’t end, until someone else ends it…….and the someone else (israel) doesn’t want to end it. i will keep hoping, just as i did back then, that it will end.
Nice, very nice. ;0)
Sally @ 123
hardball@msnbc.com, dabrams@msnbc.com
Meanwhile my Senator Mark Pryor is concerned about cartoons on television. Our State senate is considering a ban on gay couples adopting children.
disconnct or blatant diversionary tactics?
Eureka Springs, AR @ 126
Careful. Malkin minions lurk hereabouts to pluck just this kinda comment out and parade it over to her like a dead bird!
;)
Eureka Springs, AR @ 126
Viva Chavez!
Eureka Springs, AR @ 132
Some of both, I would guess. Notice that Pryor is aware enough not to complain about the ads targeting kids between those cartoons….
I’m watching you moonbats!
-Ms. Malkin
GSD @ 136
AAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHH!!!! The eyes, the eyes…. [gurk, gurgle, glunk]
Well, in Mrs. Greenspans defense she did poll the ladies at the Republican Woman’s Cotillion and they supported that nice young fellow Scooter Libby overwhelmingly.
-GSD
Where is my pitch-fork! *s*
ok kiddo @131
thanks, that was a hard one to spit out……but for you, i did.
I sent pitch-fork snap shots to TRex, Christy and Jane today. Just trying to help out..)
A sample to give you an idea of why Mark Streeter is not as popular as he might be here in the red states:
http://cms.images.morris.com/s…..298198.jpg
Heh.
GSD @ 138
Fortunately, we now have official unimpeached court testimony that Ms. Greenspan has a tendency to run off at the mouth….
As I recall, Irving wore the lurvely pale blue tux with the black piping and the elegant patent leather platform fancy dress shoes at the last Cotillion.
Thanks, Teddy @ 132. I sent the following e-mail to Hardball:
A CNN poll disputes Andrea Mitchell’s claim that most people support a pardon for Libby unless Mitchell’s math sees 18% support as a plurality. Perhaps her bad math is responsible for her husband’s rosy economic forecasts.
Is a correction beyond the realm of possibility?
Thank you.
angie @ 144
And, just like in the grand jury, tripped and fell on his ass….
“Poor” Scooter, montag!
new thread from Jane.
fyi, new thread
I’d really really really like to see Valerie Wilson and Ann C on the same “show”. I think Ms. Wilson would mop the floor with annie
excellent post, the picture says it all. it shows how people will sacrifice the life of others to help themselves. sadder still it shows how we openly do not care about any animals if we can use them for dangerous work that we are ultimately capable of.
humanity uses anything in it’s way. no feelings, no real remorse. until they are gone. the dodo are gone, numerous species are gone, thousands are dying now. We have lost so many amphibians the consensus seems to be that we may have lost control over our wetlands and have poisoned them beyond their ability to survive in many places. we are close now to losing our honeybees. soon we will have to pollenate the plants that keep us alive, by ourselves.
someone said to me that eating aminals doesn’t mean you aren’t also an environmentalist. but alas, it does. it shows your willingness to kill anything for your pleasure. raising many farm animals is a huge cause of pollution in this world. A huge problem in this country, as there are few water sources not affected by runoff from the byproducts created by the chemical upbringing of food animals
so examine your way of life. are you a part of the problem or solution? editing is a way to alter reality. add up some of these obvious contradictions for yourself. you too can lower your carbon footprint and take yourself out of a self fulfilling prophecy. reality can’t be edited out. personally, I would rather give Al Gore some of my credits to allow him to do what he needs to do and actually reduce the impact of his travels.
Thanks for the rather nice look at old Mr Nash .
scarlet p. @ 7
Good on you, scarlet p! I saw two of your signs today between Novato and San Rafael and I said to myself: “Yup. There’s scartlet p.”
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Peterr @ 26
No, that’s not true. It’s true that they fought early on, but he kept getting bigger, and bigger, and bigger, and stronger, and stronger, and was able to make them back down. It’s pretty clear from his announcement of his retirement that the retirement didn’t have anything to do with arguments with the syndicate. As I said, i read the Complete Calvin and Hobbes. This came out in 2005. Not 1990. Not 1995. He wrote commentary through the sets about some of what he was thinking and what was going on. It explained what happened with the dispute over licensing, and it explains why he retired. It wasn’t because of a dispute over licensing, a dispute which he decisively won. Check out the set, it explains matters well enough, and it’s also a great read.