
Good heavens. Someone at the NYTimes had their Wheaties this morning:
During the hearing on his nomination as attorney general, Alberto Gonzales said he understood the difference between the job he held — President Bush’s in-house lawyer — and the job he wanted, which was to represent all Americans as their chief law enforcement officer and a key defender of the Constitution. Two years later, it is obvious Mr. Gonzales does not have a clue about the difference.
He has never stopped being consigliere to Mr. Bush’s imperial presidency. If anyone, outside Mr. Bush’s rapidly shrinking circle of enablers, still had doubts about that, the events of last week should have erased them….
Funny how Alberto Gonzales got shifted into the hot seat this week, just as a spotlight began to shine on the White House — and Karl Rove — isn't it? Not that Gonzales doesn't deserve a heaping helping of scorn, but let's step back a moment and contemplate who gives marching orders to whom in the White House pecking order. And who has a history of shifting blame off himself at all costs.
TPM has a series of articles that walk through the hints that have been tossed out the last few days about Rove's involvement in the USAttorney firings. First, from McClatchey:
Presidential advisor Karl Rove and at least one other member of the White House political team were urged by the New Mexico Republican party chairman to fire the state's U.S. attorney because of dissatisfaction in part with his failure to indict Democrats in a voter fraud investigation in the battleground election state.
Then from Newsweek:
But where did the list of particular U.S. attorneys to fire come from? Two senior Justice officials, who didn't want to be named discussing the dismissals, tell NEWSWEEK that Kyle Sampson, Gonzales's chief of staff, developed the list of eight prosecutors to be fired last October — with input from the White House. In a recent statement, the White House said it approved the firings, but didn't sign off on specific names.
And an odd quote from early February in the WaPo, referring to people outside the DoJ who make personnel decisions. (a/k/a The White House political machine run by, you guessed it, Karl Rove — the man has more fingers in more pies than Little Jack Horner.)
All of this — from the USAttorney firings through to the NSA domestic spying and the overreach by the FBI in warrantless information grabs comes straight from the top in terms of lax attitude toward Constitutional and civil rights protections, and the question of individual civil liberties versus the unilateral executive overreach that is the hallmark of the Bush Administration. Jack Cafferty has it absolutely right here (H/T C&L):
Well, there's a climate in Washington, beginning with the passage of the Patriot Act and the NSA spying and the trolling through bank records and the trolling through opening people's mail and all of the other things that have gone on under the guise of the war on terror and keeping us safe that have created, I think, a climate where this kind of thing is — is sort of, you know, it's a wink and a nod and you do it the most expedient way possible, whether it's legal or not, because there's been no oversight of any of this stuff for the last six years.
And so people have learned that there's no accountability. They don't have to worry about it. And, you know, they to pretty much whatever they want to do. It's — it's — it's horrible. But I think there's, you know, there's a climate that exists in Washington — or at least has — that's allowed this kind of stuff to take root and grow.
Glenn has much more on this, and how, once again, the buck stops at the White House, whether they admit it to themselves or not. If I were Gonzales, I'd keep one nostril on the hunt for the festering scent of turdblossom coming up from behind — Gonzales has less-than-clean hands on any of this, but if anyone is covered in political muck in this mess, it is Rove. (Froomkin had much more on this question in Friday's White House Watch, and it is well worth a read.)
It is well past time for some accountability. And this time, let's keep on asking questions until we actually get some thorough and complete answers. And while we're at it — how about standing up for the rule of law and the Constitution and Bill of Rights for a change?
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Impeach them all!
you know, I HATE when I want to leave to enjoy my day off and sunday and then another EXCELLANT thread begins
see all later firedogs
Redd!
oh my. they did eat their wheaties today. let’s hope they keep eating them. gonzalez certainly was the “bright shiny keys” boy this week. great post.
I didn’t see anyone ask this on the last thread so I’ll ask it now– did any of the talking heads even mention this issue this morning? Why not?
Take ‘em out one at a time, just like they do with the Mafia.
I think this got EPU’d, but I found out last night that a friend of mine grew up in Montgomery, WV. Is that in your neck of the woods Christy?
Christy and lhp -
What is the most current version of 28 USC 541, which Mary cited in one of last evening’s threads?
I want to see Karl Rove punished for his transgressions against humankind.
Reposting relevant ThinkProgress link I mentioned in the preceding thread:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..y-firings/
Riesz Fischer @ 5
Specktor was on with Bob Schieffer this morning, but I tuned in too late to hear what he said. Anyone hear what he had to say?
His hands are so dirty in this.
Christy:
Of course Rove is involved but Abu is BushCo’s point man for politicizing the DOJ. I say we start with his resignation/impeachment and go from there.
ABU MUST GO!
Kevster at 11 — I say they ought to both go. But then, I’m a glass half full kinda gal. *g*
Presidential advisor Karl Rove and at least one other member of the White House political team
(My bold.)
Morning! All my clocks reset themselves!
So who’s the other one?
I forget who posted this u tube downstairs but it is one of the best political satires to date, reposting for whoever did that so it gets good action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM_MkWgbt3k
“Not that Gonzales doesn’t deserve a heaping helping of scorn, but…”
CHS:
Please remove the “but” there should be no qualifier to the amount of scorn this guy has earned.
Riesz Fischer@5
Schumer said that Gonzales should step down on Face the nation.
I would like to hear someone ask Bush what he has done to protect the Constitution recently, in light of his oath of office, every time he invites questions from any group.
I hope Congress remembers the open contempt that Gonzales has shown it whenever he has testified, always failing or outright refusing to answer questions.
Biden and Huckleberry were just on Late Edition talking about Abu’s dirty hands. Even Huckleberry admitted that the firings were handled “poorly” and were “unseemly”. Triangulation Joe could not bring himself to say that Abu should resign (and that’s why you’ll never be president Joe) It doesn’t bother me at all if Rover wants to throw Abu under the bus. Rove will continue to get pressure but Abu has clearly crossed the line as AG. As the Domenici/Wilson scandal escalates the spotlight will continue to shine on both Abu and Rove.
Katie Jacob @ 16
What did Specktor say?
cbl -
Thanks so much for the great link on neocon background info from the CSM in the last thread! Definitely bookmark material.
You won’t believe this. Chris Matthews is going on about Hillary — and Bill. Imagine that!
He needs an intervention.
I am not sure I am completely in tune with this pronouncement. And keep in mind perhaps, I voted with gusto, twice, for the rather huge dog. But this does compell me to think.
Consider:
From Thomas De Zengotita at Arianna’s place:
“I happen to think that the Clintons were the worst thing that happened to what was left of the American Left in the last 40 years–”
Every time I’m confronted with a new horror story about the Bush administration, I think–
Just imagine the shit we DON’T know about.
Katie Jacob @ 16
Thanks, Katie. Knowing this administration he won’t, and it may end up helping to keep this issue alive and in the public eye even longer.
Go Abu!
Kristy @12:
I couldn’t agree more but after all the turd piles that Rove has been in and he’s still a “senior white house advisor” I believe he would have to eat a baby on live TV before Bush would show him the door.
We may see Rove frogmarched out of the White House yet.
IhopeIhopeIhope
global yokel @ 24
Yet.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 8
I, too, want to see Karl Rove punished for his transgressions against humankind.
Kevster — Just so we’re clear, Gonzales has been a horrid AG and needs to go. But that’s because he has done a piss poor job — and his leaving/firing has nothing whatsoever to do with mitigating the responsibility that Rove has for this as well. The thought of Gonzales being some sort of scrificial lamb that once again saves Rove’s malignant behind has to be popped as a trial balloon — Rove’s involvement in all of this is becoming more and more exposed, and he should not be allowed to hide behind Gonzales as his personal sacrifice on the alter of public opinion. Rove and the White House need to answer all on their own for this — separate and apart from Gonzales’ abdication of ethics and responsibility at the DoJ. I thought I made that abundantly clear up top, but since there appear to be questions, I’m spelling it out here as well. They BOTH need to go. For the good of the nation.
Elliott @ 22
Tweety sure loves sniffing the Clintons’ underwear!
“I tawt I taw tum pooty! I did! I did taw tum pooty!”
Kevster @ 26
Naaaaahhhh…….he’d just ask him what he wanted for dessert.
I think we can assume that the White House was trying to politicize the Department of Justice from the beginning.
We need to look at ALL of the US attorneys beginning with the year 2000. Find out who resigned. Who was pushed out, whether quietly or noisily [Black–whatever happened w the Marianas case?] What investigations went really slowly [hint NH phone jamming]. Where did investigations come out of nowhere, coincidentally right before elections, against Democrats [NJ, other].
Lotta ugly stuff under that rock. Let’s kick it over and get started.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 30
BRAVO!
bush isn’t going to fire gonzo. nagunnahappen. so let’s say congressional hearings identify the many crimes gonzo can be tagged with. then what? who is going to arrest him? prosecute him? someone in the justice department he heads?
that’s the problem as i see it. democrats are not revolutionary enough to push this to the constitutional crisis moment it would take to remove him. i beg them to prove me wrong.
egregious @ 33
and that’s a d*m big rock!
Ok Christy, how would you go about getting Rover axed? I believe it needs to happen too-what leverage would Congress have here to force the issue? In Rove’s world everything is “fair game” and that sentiment has had dreadful consequences for the country. Abu is an easier target given his supposed role as the chief law enforcement officer. The lines are clearer IMHO to more esily force a resignation.
I asked this question down thread.
Is it possible that the fired U.S. attorneys could be restored to their positions, and is it likely? Does Congress have any say in the matter?
Kevster @
11
Exactly. He has been the architect of the unitary-executive nonsense, the MCA, torture memos, etc. Start with him.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @
7
Here it is:
United States Code Title 28. Judiciary and Judicial Procedure
Part II. Department of Justice
Chapter 35. United States Attorneys
541. United States attorneys
(a) The President shall appoint, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, a United States attorney for each judicial district.
(b) Each United States attorney shall be appointed for a term of four years. On the expiration of his term, a United States attorney shall continue to perform the duties of his office until his successor is appointed and qualifies.
(c) Each United States attorney is subject to removal by the President.
Cgicago Dyke @35chicago dyke @ 35
It’s depressing isn’t it? The cards are all there to be played on so many issues. We are in the midst of a Constitutional Crisis and the Dems are so far bringing pillows to the gun fight.
Perhaps I operate with benefit of a simple mind. Some, perhaps many, would support this thesis. But as to Iraq, we need to pull a ‘Nam. Declare victory (as in we toppled the tyrant Saddam) and get out. Ah… but there’s oil beneath them thar sandy dunes. I almost forgot.
Any chance we can get Turdblossom for income tax evasion? After all, he is the Al Capone of his era — except, of course, measuring in number of deaths, he makes Capone look like a rank amateur. On a more realistic level, the U.S. attorney scandal is opening up a can of worms called Cerberus (see Kos on this) which seems to be the center of the corruption universe for the Bush Administration. Wonder how many felonies Rover’s committed WRT that?
inmymind’seye @ 38
I can’t answer that but Congress is going to plug the non-confirmed appointment loophole.
egregious,
have only been able to skim through the threads since the verdict, but Rayne has been all over this wrt to those who have been replaced with little notice – typical WH cockup in that in trying to make it all fit in to the “they serve at the Prez. pleasure” meme, they actually cop to replacing 23 total attorneys
Follow the stench: Rove is at the nexus.
angie @
1
My greatest fear is that the WH will fire Gonzales before the Congress starts impeachment proceedings. Then the Congress will have missed their chance to follow through on John Dean’s suggestion, at least where Abu is concerned. So for now everyone will remember that Gonzales is toxic, but will they remember 20 years from now when he is once again nominated to be a cabinet member? Look at the number of cabinet members from previous repug administrations that are part of this admin, and tell me that we will remember. Hell, just look at Abrams! Memories are remarkably short; to some degree, we may all have Libby syndrome.
Most interesting (at least as of right now) is the changed commentary of Allen Weh, former NV party chairman.
He originally told McClatchey:
But, obviously, the tentacles of the WH reached out to Weh and he subsequently admitted that he must’ve ‘misremembered’:
How does that old expression go….”me or your lying eyes.”
(All of the above copied from the Talking Points Memo site which has been fabulous on this matter.)
It only seems fair that if they were all fired for purely political reasons, and the scope is so pervasive here, that there should be some type of mechanism in place that can reverse these decisions.
dalloway @ 43
A la Al Capone? Another thugster. That would be nice. But I think Karl is smarter than Al.
Gaah! Early Daylight Savings! Just waking up…
Oklahoma kiddo @
8
Can Rove be impeached, since I don’t believe his appointment was subject to congressional confirmation? (This is not a rhetorical question.)
oh and btw Josh,
cbl says:
February 8th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
posted this earlier in the week (2/5)
‘But there is also evidence that broader political forces are at work. One administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity in discussing personnel issues, said the spate of firings was the result of “pressure from people who make personnel decisions outside of Justice who wanted to make some things happen in these places.”
WaPo – last sunday
original h/t C&L
did you listen to cbl ??? noooo, you were all twitterpated by some “overzealous prosecutor”*g*
http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/08/what-con
Katie Jacob @
16
Link: http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..-gonzales/
Ann in AZ @ 47
Great point. Certainly the WH would rather throw Abu under the bus than expose all of Turdblossom’s piles. As for whether Abu ever gets another Govt appointment-that is so far down the road I can’t even go there. To Christy’s points she is right-Rove is behind the US atty firings for sure and he has never been held to account to anything. I am just not seeing how we get him frogmarched out of the WH.
From Andy Borowitz…humor that strikes at the heart of these criminals.
Christy, sorry if you already saw this, but “less-then-clean hands” should be “less-than-clean hands”.
Bush will stand by Albu Gonzales until the time to fire him is determined by the amount of political pressure on the Whitehouse.
Then the left can claim another pyhrric victory and the right can claim another poor victim.
It will be all about blaming terrible Albert Gonzales who shamed the honorable president.
This game has been played out over and over again. The finger of blame never points upward with this crowd.
Remember, who was it who said about John Bolton “He’s a kiss-up, kick-down” kind of fella.
Poor George W., being so poorly served by those around him.
-GSD
inmymind’seye @
38
They’re Pukes. So I don’t care if they can be put back in. True, the people that replaced them are hacks and should be removed, and Congress should confirm the new attorneys, but I don’t think it’s important at all that the original Pukes are restored to their positions. Don’t shed any tears over them– they nothing but Pukes.
whack @ 46
They don’t call him Turdblossom for nothin! :)
Good morning.
I think a call out to Josh and TPM is in order here, since they have been the driving force in exposing and pushing this scandal from the beginning. So:
Great work, guys!
If these criminals are eating their own, hopefully the end is near. With this crowd, I have to assume guilt by association. Could any of these fired prosecutors gotten their job without being good Republican drones? What was Igelesias’s role in screwing Patricia’s Madrid campaign by removing the courthouse bribery case? The questions are never ending.
There were rumors about the NH phone-jamming scandal way back when.
About how there was a possible connection to the Whitehouse. Seeing that there were numerous calls made by the bad actors in NH to the WHITEHOUSE.
For some strange reason that thread of connection was never followed up. Seems these characters just organically decided to hatch up a plot to subvert the NH election process all on their own volition. Or so the Rove myth-making machine would have you believe.
NH AG and the phone-jamming 5.
-GSD
Yeah well that would mean subverting the GOP-agenda-at-the-top attitude that dominates this crew. They don’t care about rule of law unless it serves them. Musty old documents don’t mean shit if they’re in the way of Repub goals and power.
Great post, perfect for a Sunny Sunday morning, I’m going for a run and think about this. Probably a record high temperature here this afternoon.
more USA Flip Flop via Josh
Rove was for the firings, before he was against it
GSD @ 63
Surely if there had been anything improper the Attorney General would have investigated, no?
Steve @ 62
These pirhanas have eaten everything else in the fishtank. Time for them to start feasting on the remaining 29% of the faithful.
-GSD
Elliott @
22
I have mixed feelings on this. Since I would like to see Hillary taken out of this race, the sooner the better, for fear everyone will think her nomination is inevitable, I don’t mind Chris pounding on her on a daily basis. I know that he thinks she is the presumptive nominee, and he doesn’t like her position on the war, at all! OTOH, I don’t necessarily think it’s his place to try to influence our choice of nominee. Still, it serves my purpose.
GSD @ 67
Yum! scum
So if AbuG is thrown under the bus (I much, MUCH prefer the image from tsarist Russia of the aristocrats–keep in mind the joke–chucking serfs off the troika to keep the hungry wolves at bay), who’s going to be next? Sooner or later, there will be only Bush, Cheney, and Rove left. Bet that Cheney has a few short straws up his sleeve. Heh.
Watching Ted Koppel on MTP:
Worse than you imagined. Problem is that he has such an authoritive voice that one tends to believe him. That would be a mistake.
VJB @ 70
Then they are off to Paraguay where Bush can play military dictator without a pesky Congress or Press.
Paul Krugman writes in his NYT OP-Ed (3/9/2007)
This is OT but extremely important. 27 EU Nations ban the standard light bulb.
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=380442007
The reason that I mention it here at FDL is that on a prior thread zhiv made comments relative to that thread that also got into “…..wasting power” and “….. still changing lightbulbs”.
Fluorescent lightbulbs are indeed more efficient than incandescent lighbulbs, however the complete shift to the currently available fluorescent bulbs is an illadvised counterproductive mistake. The most important of the several reasons the shift to fluorescent bulbs actually utilizes more energy is that fluorescent bulbs can not be dimmed.
There are several precedents that well meaning suggestions and downright demands of several building codes are definitely counterproductive. Apparently, “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing” is the main issue when it comes to energy conservation.
Moreover, there are far more effective means of saving energy at no cost for existing homes. Changing building codes with an eye toward saving energy will in some instances increase and others decrease the initial cost. Without an actual house plan it is not possible to say if the net intial cost will be more or less. I suspect in most cases it will be less. The cost of energy use in the occupied structure can be substantially reduced.
This is not the place to fully explain what should be done. Any suggestions as to where that place might be? I am going to contact my representatives in the Congress and Senate. I am concerned that no matter how knowledgeable, experienced, and effective that I have been in this field that I am just one voice in the wilderness. That lone voice will be drowned out by a list of many “experts”. How can I up the volume?
Iwe need an effective voice that hopefully would be as effective as FDL for the Libby trial.I apologize for being OT but desparately need help in stopping yet another U.S. blunder.
Ann in AZ @ 68
Good point, Ann. I agree with you, but still, I really fucking hate Tweety. I think it’s outrageous the amount of influence that moron has on our country’s politics.
If I were Bush reading the tea-leaves(we know he’s too stupid to do that) I would be looking for a new magician….
*Taliban spring offensive is on it’s way.
*Real estate market is continuing to meltdown
*Gas prices are going to be to $3.00 a gallon soon
*Flip-flopping on talks with North Korea and Iran
Looking like tough times ahead and people are sick of hearing “Ta-daaaaaaa” and seeing the same loser holding the same rabbit.
-GSD
Ann in AZ@68
Then you’ll love this one
Hill the JFK of 2008
Karl Rove is the most distasteful piece of Republican work to come down the pike since Lee Atwater.
Tweety must have something in his psyche that makes him so afraid of Hillary that he has to dump on her at some point in most of his programs. I try to avoid him but often get sucked in to his spiel while waiting for KO’s follow-on. The Clintons were wrongly slimed so often for so many years I’m on overload with that. Nothing they did can compare with what Bush and his thugs have done. I’ll take any of the Democratic presidential candidates over any of the Republic hypocrites ever so eager to give us many more years of misrule, corruption, incompetence, war, you name it, in the style of the current idiot.
Hillary? Don’t get me started. ;0)
Elliott @
36
S’okay, there are lots of us.
Actually not true. Although dimmers for fluorescents present some technical problems, sometimes requiring special ballasts, and are more expensive to make, they are available.
The Festering Turdblossom hisself is on cspan1 now talking about the Preznitcy at the Clinton School of Public Service.
(oh, the irony)
I would not vote for a candidate based soley on gender, ethnicity, religion or sexual preference.
During an interview of Rove, he was asked an “oh-by-the-way” question about the fired U.S. attorneys and knew an awful lot for someone who wasn’t involved. Of course the mantra is always, “They serve at the pleasure of the president.” What pleasures the president has never ever been good for the country, TB.
Morris Shepphard
oh goodness, a little bit of fun at mr. cbl’s expense this morning – he hadn’t seen Koppel in some time and had no idea he’d been absorbed within the Borg . . .I calmed him down, but he’s off checking the pantry and all closets for pods – poor man, c’mere honey :)
Yeah the NYTimes had their wheaties… I have a feeling things are moving so fast that a Truth and Reconciliation group will need to be set up. There will be too much uncovered illegalities to be communicated to the public w/out overload. This would have to be bipartisan and would be a way for Repubs to get off their leaky, sinking ship now chained to the nasty, heavy anchor that is the Bush Crime Family.
Where’s the Sec. of State been? Under the radar?
Rocket Scientist @
74
Yes, yes! And ya don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out. This is another red herring, like Prezzy Bush pushing biofuels that cost more energy to produce than they create and use up resources that could be producing food as well in a time when arable land is under threat from global climate change. The purpose is to transfer tax and consumer dollars from Us to Them.
Banning incandencent bulbs is totally stupid. In addition to not being dimmable, they are much more resource-intensive to produce and *MUCH* more toxic when they end up as waste.
Yet another thing to write my useless, unresponsive congressfolks about. They are next.
Christy -
It’s rare that I find myself in any disagreement with you on anything you post, but I think, here, that you’re saying that Rove deserves more accountability than Gonzales, and on this, I vehemently disagree.
Now, God knows, if Rove had his hands in this, its yet another despicable action on his part. But Gonzales, 1. is the person who had the ability to say no to a political hack and 2. is the FUCKING ATTORNEY GENERAL who had sworn to, as the Times puts it today, “represent all Americans as their chief law enforcement officer and a key defender of the Constitution.”
Perhaps its just because I’m an old lawyer, who had to take an oath just to be able to practice, but the fact that the Attorney General couldn’t, or wouldn’t, stand up to a glorified political hack who has never had to receive a license to do anything in his life, and who that same Attorney General knew, or should have known, to be completely amoral reflects far more poorly on the AG than it does on the pig who hatched this idea.
Then again, perhaps I’m misreading your ideas on the subject. If so, please accept my apologies.
OT
Jesus’ General
“Medicalizing Torture & Torturing Medicine”
Oklahoma kiddo @ 88
shopping for boots?
Riesz Fischer @
75
Right on Ann in AZ !! The time has come for the gender ceiling on a POTUS to be broken. BUT, Hillary carries entirely too much baggage to win. And, there is entirely too much riding on the ‘08 election. I would prefer to have Obama ask her to be his VP running mate. That might work.
And, the Dems will remain in the “weak cellar” for 2007 unless one or more does something BOLD. Now, if 5 or 6 congress-persons could start impeachment inquiries for Gonzo Gonzalez, this would definitely dominate the news for the next few months.
The NYTimes has hiked the ball. A smart pol will run with it.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 84
Hear, hear! But this sort of group identification, which I take to be an aspect of tribalism, is very prevalent among humans. How does one talk about it to people for whom this is not even conscious?
JFK of 2008? Oh really. And prez Bush is George Washington, Jesus, and Winston Churchill. All in one.
Elliott @ 92
;0)
Rocket Scientist at 74:
Didn’t someone here also point point out that the fluorescents also contain heavy metals making them a disposal problem?
[slightly OT here, but would be EPU’d in the previous thread]
So, anyway … I head over to Google News to see what the various press are saying in the Sunday editions about the Libby trial, and I run across this one entry:
The article title is pretty much standard for a bunch of articles listed at Google, but the question posed in the opening question seems like an odd one for a Fox-associated website to pose, so I popped over to check it out.
The article itself turns out to be Matt Apuzzo’s Associated Press piece. But the Fox website it’s posted on has one of those viewer / reader poll things, and it asks “Do you believe Scooter Libby’s conviction proves that the White House deliberately ‘outed’ former CIA operative Valerie Plame?” It’s a Faux News site, so I figure the results are skewed, but what the hell … I voted Yes.
With 182 votes cast so far, current results are:
Just thought I’d pass that on FWIW …
ETA:
The article’s over here:
http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/m…..geId=3.4.1
Gonzales needs to be handled by Congress asap. Ideally Rove would be handled by the Justice Department, yes?
dratty at 90 — Read my comment at 30 at this link. I think there is plenty of blame to go around — and my point is just that.
HotFlash @ 94
Good question, for which I have no answer. ;0)
Is Rove impeachable? If so, take Fitz up on his offer of material and start hearings. This might lead to some of his dialog and involvement with Gonzalez DOJ and the firing of attorney’s.
Rove answers to Bush. These are the types of bold moves Dems need to start exploring.
The alternative? — 22 months of continuing to slide into hell with our Naked Emperor at the helm.
This should not be an option. Punto! (Oops! almost left out the ‘n’ but didn’t want to offend)
“plenty of blame to go around”
If that ain’t the truth!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 100
Ah ok. And now’s the time that I’m glad I gave my apology in advance :)
A crossword for your-alls’ possible amusement:
Don’t get too war far out on Wilson
Riesz Fischer at #75 says:
I understand what you’re saying, but…who else is going to take her out? It won’t be Schumer (who’s so far up her ass, I don’t know how he breathes,) or most other Dems. I figure let him do something that might prove to be constructive for a change.
screw Condi, where in the hell is this guy ???
Elliott @ 77
That’s just too much to handle this early in the morning…or anytime for that matter!
WAY OT: I have now seen three PSA type things on the TV about DVT. Two of them include a women whose husband died in Iraq (!!) of DVT. This struck me as very bizarre.
Someone asked (sorry, can’t remember the comment #) what Specter said to Schieffer about this. He focused on why Iglesias didn’t report the contacts by Domenici and Wilson — said he would’ve had more credibility. How disingenuous. Some are already calling Iglesias a whiner. Can you imagine what would’ve happened if he’d reported this to the DOJ? Nada. I didn’t watch the whole thing, hoped Schieffer would ask him about the Patriot Act. Someone has to get to the bottom of that one.
Ahgoo @
109
It’s DVT awareness month
For the latest news, hearings, legal filings and other essential documents on the politically motivated prosecutor firings, see:
“The U.S. Attorney Scandal Documents.”
Ann in AZ @ 106
I think she’s doing a good job taking herself out ;)
Elliot @20
Spector was too busy shilling for the administration on the lawyer firings saying that Iglesias didn’t report Wilson and Dominici (so in his opinion it doesn’t count) but he did mention at the hearings last week something like, ‘we may have a new atty general sooner than later’. That was interesting.
And speaking of US Attorneys, someone we know is about
to return to his day job. In case you need background on Lord Conrad Black, the miscreant involved, you can find it here.
And in case anyone has forgotten, this is what George Will has to do with the whole mess. Someone please remind me: why is George Will still employed by the ComPost and Newsweek?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 95
OK :)
OT: Halliburton isn’t even trying to pretend anymore.
First time posting from vacation. heard about the libby convictions in the airport on the way to TX. Am going to visit a fellow FDLer in a week or so.
And am trying to read here every chance i get. Great work Christy, Jane and all. thanks to all who have done so much to further the accountability of this prez. And gonzales and Rove are just 2 symptons of the disease, rather than the cause.
there is no freedom without accountability.
GrandmaJ!!
We want to hear about your horseriding….
It’s DVT awareness month
Well that makes sense. Maybe the VP will do a spot as well.
Ann in AZ @ 116
Smilin’ at you. ;0)
Rocket Scientist @
74
Go for it.
This is a change that would make a huge difference but inertia rules:
Lots more @
http://www1.investorvillage.co…..id=1636793
Best, Terry
Senator Webb [man, I just cannot stop smiling at that phrase] was great today on ABC This Week.
Let’s see if this link to the video will work. Ok looks good.
Democrats have pushed the administration into having serious diplomatic talks with the nations around Iraq.
Wounded are being severely undercounted in the official tally.
Backlog of 400,000 for transition to the VA system is part of the Walter Reed mess.
For Rayne—he says Levin is particularly effective on these issues.
He has a poker face when asked about being the VP nominee. I know his expressions pretty well, this is a question he’s obviously heard many times. He says he is enjoying being in the Senate and there is much to do.
Committees: Foreign Relations, Armed Services, Veterans Affairs
Both Armed Services and VA committees have had separate hearings and now there will be a joint hearing.
When Greg Palast published his report on the Florida voter purge in 2001, I smelled a rat — and found tracks leading back to Texas.
Karl Rove tried the same thing in Texas in 1982, but that plot was foiled. This time, the criminal conspiracy was hatched no later than 1998, and used Jeb Bush and Tom Feeney to put it in motion.
In 2002, I wrote up some of the details:
The Texas Blueprint for the Stolen Election
Or type democrats.com/blueprint into the URL line, and it will open.
If anyone in Austin wants to investigate it further, I’ll provide some additional information.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 100
Christy, at #52 (I think) I asked can Rove be impeached? I’m asking again, since he is not in a position that requires congressional confirmation, can he be impeached, or does he have to go through the criminal justice system to be gotten rid of?
C. C. in NC @ 110
From the way Specktor’s acting, I’d say he slipped that little loophole in there himself.
Kevster @
26
Former Senate Leader Dr. Monkey Head Frist would grace us with a diagnosis, assuring us the baby was “brain dead” and thus Rove was doing the “right thing.?|”
motherlowman @ 117
I’m speechless.
Getting out of Dodge, are they?
Ann in AZ at 125 — No, I don’t think so. But he can be indicted, should the folks investigating the Abramoff mess find that he broke the law on multiple occasions, among other things. And shining a big, fat spotlight on his activities makes him far less useful — his effectiveness depends on him being able to scuttle about in the shaddows, spinning his evil webs under coaver of darkness. The more of a spotlight shining on him, the less he is able to do in full view.
Okay, here’s a question that’s dumber than a box of hair.
If Gonzales represents nobody but the executive branch, who represents us? Truly. My husband and I had this whole discussion last Sunday, and we’re still discussing it on and off.
Just wondering.
-S
Oklahoma kiddo @
78
The Turd was an acolyte of Attwater’s. Lord knows where these people come from.
egregious -
hope you caught him on Tweety on verdict day when he was obviously already scheduled to talk about his no $$$/warpower for Iran bill – tweety tried to force the good senator on to the oh poor scooter is guilty train – Senator Webb did a great job staying on message and making that message very easy for anyone to understand – sweeeet!
calvin notes that if Ms Reddhedd had been playing Battleship, this would have been scored as a direct hit.
Christy@ 30 you said:
How’s about this strategy? Get rid of Hadley, Gates, Condi, Shooter, Dubya, Chertoff, and all the rest as “sacrificial lambs” to save turdblossom’s pudgy ass for last. Then froggymarch him out of the White House as the Last Standing (frogmarching) Neo-Con. Then they can all spend their enforced retirement on the beach on the island of Cuba at that lovely spa Club Gitmo. I hear the water-boarding is great there year round!
There have been some very good, related kos diaries.
1. The real story behind the misuse of NSLs
2. Taking a look at a USAtty NOT fired and the NH phone jamming case.
3. If you are ready to dig in and really concentrate, a big picture, group effort from several Dem Underground researchers that ties in Plame, the Lewis investigation that has been tanked with the USAtty going to work for Lewis’ defense firm, appropriations, Halliburton, Cunningham, CIA, Foggo, a venture capital firm Cerebus, Rumsfeld, Cheney, QUAYLE, etc. Lots of work went into this diary
Ann in AZ @ 108
I remember JFK, and Hill is no JFK.
Katie Jacob @
114
Yeah, I think it means he’s expecting a pre-emptive firing. That way Congress can keep their little hands clean and let the administration off the hook. Someone ought to write a book–How to Spin Off a Fall Guy!
theExile @ 133
How are you gonna get them out of Paraguay? ;)
It’s a small point but I like the way the NYT editorial accentuated its disdain for Abu by typing “attorney general” in all lower case while Justice Department, for instance, was initial capped. Nice touch.
motherlowman @
117
I don’t think Halliburton is ever OT!
Ooops I forgot.
Webb was asked about the Libby trial with the question that all the media were ordered to ask: what about a pardon.
He refused to frame his answer that way, saying the larger issue was one of character assassination against anyone who spoke up opposing the war, which he did and which Wilson did.
I’m already bracing for non-stop WaPo editorials about how Gonzo and Rove are such great guys.
Would not these latest revelations about the FBI “overstepping” their bounds on domestic spying as well as the US Attorneys’ testimony that they were threatened with dirt-digging if they didn’t go quietly, lend credence to the suspicions that Bush has been keeping Congress in line through blackmail? Spector is totally unprincipaled but his abject reversals form day to day make you wonder what the White House might be holding over him.
everhopeful @ 139
Sure because as soon as he leaves office, soon we hope, he’ll just be an attorney general. Not anymore Attorney General.
Good catch on your part, and yay NYT for once.
Mary @ 10:16 am -
Please check your link to the third diary in your comment; it is pointing to the second diary in your comment.
bookwoman @
73
That may be a partial answer to a question that’s been nagging at me for a month now. Why would a scandal related to Abramoff NOT make the national press? Because it was handled at local level. And most of us tend to trust our local papers more than nationals (hello, WaPo?), too.
Might be an interesting little experiment for FirePups to conduct on their own: Google up “Abramoff [your state’s name]” and see what comes up. I found something interesting when I did that…will you?
Regarding the banning of incandescent bulbs by some EU nations. It seems to me that another aspect I haven’t seen mentioned is that in a cold climate like where I live, the heat given off by incandescent bulbs isn’t wasted and contributes to the necessary heating that requires energy from somewhere. Generally in colder climates during warmer weather the days are longer (because of latitude) and lighting is needed less, so the bulbs will even tend to be on more when the heat is helpful.
Christy Hardin Smith @
129
The problem is, likely nobody will fire a guy that knows where all the bodies are buried. Especially someone as obviously vindictive as Rove. I even doubt that he will ever be prosecuted for much the same reasons. This man is a snake that can squirm under, around, or over a whole mountain of rocks, even with so little room you wouldn’t think he’d fit into such a narrow space, as Fitz found out.
Frank Probst @ 141
and they are surely to come!
egregious @
123
Yeah.
A great pleasure to hear such a man even when one might disagree.
I do disagree that we need diplomatic cover for retreat.
When the bombs go off against Shias or Sunnis, the response is predictable: “Death to America.”
American troops are the problem, not the solution.
IMO.
Best, Terry
Elliott @ 137
Aha! Here is a USAtty tie-in for you. Margaret Chiara, formere USAtty Michigan West, was rumored to have been bounced because she was soft on capital punichsment. Paraguay will not extradite to countries that have the death penalty. But I expect that Paraguary would extradite to, say, a war crimes tribunal in Germany? Or of course, abolish in in the US. That’d be a nice twoofer.
nomolos @ 131
From under rocks! As I said, this man is a snake; he’s cold blooded.
Even Bush’s Daddy knew enough to fire the guy, but W said, “Gee, but he’s so pretty and I really think his wiggle is cute. I can avoid the fact that he’s poisonous!” And he ran with it. This is disgusting. Sunshine might make him move a little slower, but I doubt it will kill him before it’s too late. He’s already spread an awful lot of poison.
JML @ 142
(my bold)
I’d be shocked to find out they weren’t blackmailing people.
What else explains McCain’s march to the Dark Side? And Sen. Roberts actions, or lack of actions? maybe Harry Reid, too?
Ann in AZ @ 147
Keep bashing at him and all around the rock he is under. You may not get him out but it will limit what he can do, and eventually he will die of old age.
I can’t say I’ve checked these suspicious Atty sackings out yet but the best chance to get the Turd out is coming right up isn’t it. When Val appears next week we just keep hammering the promise made by Chimpy to get rid of anyone who leaked. Its a slam dunk that Turd boy leaked to Novak and Cooper.
Big Canadian flush and its gone!
The people are looking to us now – not cheap shills for power like TIME, Slate and the old Grey bag lady. Lets ROLL!
cbl @
45
Asst Deputy AG Moschella in testimony before Congress referred to (18) USA’s…I think there are more, but they don’t all follow an archetypal pattern. Southern Illinois, for example, has been a great place to shuffle in and out partisans to better roles; there wasn’t a dismissal per se. Tennesee also has a district where there has been some shuffling. Neither of these would show up in a search looking for situations like the Gonzales 8. But the efforts to move USA’s in-out is strictly for partisan purposes, has virtually nothing to do with prosectuing crime (unless it’s to political advantage).
BTW, give McClatchy some serious love. Margaret Talev and Marisa Taylor are doing some incredibly great work for them, cannot say enough about them so far.
Sorry to my male friends, but the best coverage on this story and Walter Reed-VA has been estrogen-weighted. What’s up with that?
Sally @
85
But it sure was IMPORTANT in case of a democratic prez and if the pleasure is named Monica.
I have a dream, or more like a nightmare. Cheney resigns for “health reasons” heart, mental, blood clot, sheer ugliness his choice – and Condi takes over the Office of Vice. Fast forward to November 2008- and the ballot reads
President:
Hillary Rodham Clinton – Dem
Condomleeza Rice – RePuke
If that nightmare should come to pass, I just hope the walls are already built around the United States on both borders (I’m on the outside) – I will give up my last shred of concern or hope for the future of democracy, at least in the United States.
Ann in AZ @ 108
Uh, that’s Rupert’s rag. . .
new thread
HotFlash @ 152
(my bold)
I wouldn’t be too sure of that, unless someone puts a stake through his “heart”
145 – sorry, should have been:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/10/21556/5045
I still think we need Indep Counsel and investigations on classiication misuse, and active utilization o US Atty offices for obstruction of justice are two good start points.
I also have to say – I don’t see Rove the finish line at all. There is only one Decider. It doesn’t matter who he let’s whisper in his ear. He’s an adult and responsible for his own actions and decisions. Only George W. Bush, President of the United States of America, had the authority to make the decision to remove USAttys (to torture, to disappear, to kidnap, to require Hayden to offer up his dedicated agency operatives to become Bush’s felons, to invade Iraq, to refuse the CIA requested back up in Tora Bora, etc.)
I’ve never understood the fascination with getting to Rove as an ulitmate goal. It’s not like he’s Wormtongue. Bush would have been his own debacle with or without Rove – without Rove, he would still have atracted to him Cheney and Rumsfeld and Gonzales someone else like Rove. And there are others just like Rove everywhere. Someone like Bush will always have the next Rove lined up.
HotFlash:
Hell, Hill ain’t even a Mrs. JFK or Jackie!
Mary4 @ 159
IMO, It was Rove who got Bush in as Gov of TX. I don’t think Bush would have gotten anywhere without him.
Was following the thread fairly carefully until I got distracted by Rocket Scientist going OT and referencing my comment on lightbulbs. The best thing is that on FDL you get people who actually know the bad part of incandescents: they have significant disposal issues, contain mercury I think, and the push to replace incandescents with them needs to complemented with an accompanying notice and media campaign that they require special recycling treatment. Luckily, they last for almost a decade, so there might be some time.
If the entire EU, looking for ways to get 20% below 1990 levels, is joining Australia and California is getting into it, it’s not so bad, but like the OT comment says (I think), it shouldn’t distract from larger issues.
Like Christy’s big screen TV.
I was at a small-gathering Berkeley-in-LA climate change event not too long ago and Dean Kammen (sp?), very impressive guy, preaching to the converted, started out by asking how many of the 50 or so people had installed solar power systems. If you had asked how many people had gotten there in Priuses (sp?) or other hybrids about half the room would have raised their hands, but no one had gotten the solar thing going, and he was pretty disappointed considering the state incentive programs. (”How many people have a new big screen TV and watched Out of Africa on Friday?”)
I’ve always wanted a little windmill of my own, personally.
Heckuva Job ___________.
The Motto and guiding principle of the kKKarl BFF Machine that runs our country. Man the backstabbing and the speed in which they turn on their own whom they deem as anything but totally partisan and ruthless enough is just stunning.
Bushco gov’t recruiting poster. Wanted..ruthless, greedy, no-holds barred, integrity-free partisan. Requirement, full and complete loyalty to the kKKarl BFF Machine. Experience with
horses head’s in a bedlockstepping at all cost a plus. Interested candidates should send100,000 cashresume and references to >KKKarl @ The BFF Machine. Equal opportunitypioneers and rangersemployment.Nothing like the scent of some good ole fashioned hyperpartisan culture of corruption folks turning on each other and trying to get into the lifeboat first … Mayberry Machiavellis doesn’t even begin to describe this crew. Who was it that said republicans spend all their time complaining that gov’t doesn’t work and then make sure of it once they get into office?
Just an idea to put a spanner in the works:
Immediately start impeachment proceedings on the “W”art in teh WH. This removes immediately his power to protect his enablers, turdblossom, abu the attygen, etc. Irving LL will be facing prison and without prospect of pardon, will probably have a change of “appreciation”.
Secondarily, begin impeachment proceedings on Darth dick for TREASON (the outing and distruction of CIA assets). Somehow, the charge of Treason just may disqualify dicky,dicky,dicky from assuming higher office – ever.
Your list of 84 or 86 items would make a fine bill of attainer (IANAL) for the House to investigate to send to the Senate. It would probably take most of the time left to this administration – and they could pardon no-one all the while. That should shake the cabal to its core.
About Halliburton (motherloman@117) shifting headquarters; just how are supoenas to be enforced to obtain records in Dubai?
As for dimmers on regular light bulbs, they are designed with a variable resister to impede the flow of power to the fixture, what doesn’t go to the fixture is eaten up by the resister. There is no power savings involved at lower illumination. The newer CFL is decidedly superior as to energy savings.
Morris Sheppard @ 61
A great point. TPM on US Attorneys, FDL on the Libby trial, and you get more news in any single day than you would from the MSM in 4 years.
JMarshall has a nice post today that concludes by saying one of the things that keeps getting lost: it all started with Carol Lam. Duke Cunningham was a fairly standard out-of-control sideshow, but when it got to Dusty Foggo the wheels went into motion and she was gone. And remember that Tenet came in under Clinton, and Cheney obviously wasn’t happen with him, and he was replaced by Porter Goss, another member of the “Heckuva job” club. Gross Incompetence R Us.
Could all that white noise about the need for the FBI and NSA to spy on domestic targets have been about investigating real terrorists? You know, those pesky Democrats who want to throw good Republicans out of office.
Why get by with Ken Mehlman’s computer, Tim Griffin’s research and a few paid fellows at the AEI when you could have access to an alphabet soup of talent right around the corner?
Instead of talking about impeachment or forming a commission to investigate what half of Congress already knew about conditions at Walter Reed, I think it’s time we formed a Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
The truth about the administration’s possibly criminal brand of politics, and reconciling them to their orange jump suit fate.
Apparently, Gonzalez can be impeached and Rove can’t.
So, one plays politics by playing to your audience. The story line of the play is to frame the 2008 election.
Impeachment investigations, hearings, etc. can take lots of press time for the next 12 to 18 months. Gonzalez, DOJ, the FBI, DOD contractor payoffs, Haliburton, and lack of prosecution by , now fired, US Attorney’s can all be part of the play.
Mary 4 at #161 has it right. Rove is a disgusting character, but Gonzalez and his impeachment has a huge stage on which to play for the ultimate goal — Run our benighted Naked Emperor into a deep dark hole for the next 22 months and wound any Repugnican hack who stood with him in his snake hole.
Should be a good week. When does the Saint Patrick’s Day two week recess start? Golf courses are starting to turn green and they have lots of small text lines to miss in important Authoritarian grabbing legislation to miss while sucking up to their golf buddies..
All these loopholes in the Patriot Act, etc. which Gonzo Gonzalez now leaps through were in the back pages of legislation vetted on by all these mouthy Dems now.
The Corporate State of America’s Plutocracy lies well entrenched on both sides of the isle. Ask Hillary about Don Tyson of Tyson Foods and how to turn a $10,000 investment into $100,000 by pooling it with his many millions in Chicken Futures and his Broker, Red Bone — Is that a great name for Hillary’s money launderer in chief.
The reason the Dems can’t squeal too loud, is that most of them are just as slimy.
Still, they should start hearings on impeaching Gonzo Gonzalez.. Of course, when they had confirmation hearings on him, Hillary and crew were so far down the Scared-Rabbit hole, they could hardly breath, much less speak.
The only reason Repugnicans are quiet about Hillary’s dirt now, is they are just DYING to have her on the ballot in 2008 for a slaughter.
I usually can figure out Acronyms I don’t know but BFF is driving me insane – could someone clue me in? Please?
zhiv @ 164
Oops. Meant florescents, of course. Daylight savings time, west coast, that sort of thing. Wasn’t even able to finish the thought.
And let’s just say that by some miracle Cheney, Rove and Gonzalez are all gone by, say, Independence Day 07. It’s hard to even imagine what Bushworld would look like. Who would he hang out with all day?
theExile @ 170
BFF — Best Friend Forever. (teenage girl slang)
Elliott at 153.
Blackmail, indeed. If they aren’t doing it I’d be astonished. For one reason, any good Machiavellian would. Any good highschool Heather would. Hell I would, in their shoes.
Two, it fits the observed facts. We have seen too many Congresscritters, reporters, etc, etc, march to the Talking Points tune, vote as a unit and even do volte-faces for no observable reason. And it’s not just a place at the trough or the occasional, um, honorarium or stock tip. It’s too consistent for that, and the flips, when they occur, are too abrupt, extreme and well-timed to be explained by just the $ carrot. There has to be a whip, too. For instance, whatever they’re holding over Scooter, it’s worse than what Fitz can threaten. And Judy would rather do and indefinite stretch in jail than talk to Fitz.
The flips are particularly interesting. Remember McCain and his birthday cake? And the idea of Gannon/Guckert swanning around the press conferences might have kept a reporter or two from saying too much. A thought: it might be possible to guess the target from the softball question.
Scary thought, that.
Tanks -ck-;
I must say I was imagining much, shall we say, “coarser” words, especially for an F or two.
Rayne @ 156
Maybe he can’t get as good dirt on them as on Jeff Gannon’s clients?
Read alternate reality novel “The Traveler” by John Twelve Hawks (recommended on a prior thread by a FireDogLaker). It is chilling to read a novel that takes the idea of universal surveillance of every person (via technology) to its logical conclusions (of course, with a good dose of scifi mixed in there).
You guys are welcome to comment here but most people have gone over to the new thread.
Lastly, just throwing this out there a bit…but could this be the totally corrupt Cheney wing of the Administration leaking some info here as a payback for Libby’s sacrifice for Traitorgate (and hopes for getting that pardon after all) helping leak some of this info and pushing back against the equally corrupt kkKarl BFF wing of the administration? Heck Cheney might be trying to payback Abu who definitely runs with kkKarl..who didn’t get Fitz out of there in time to stop Libby’s trial? I know a lot of this information was coming out prior to the completion of the trial, but just wondering? But most of the damaging information we are learning about now is all about the FBI and DOJ..both branches of gov’t that burnt Cheney and Cheney’s Cheney big time at the trial. Could this be another Cheney revenge scheme for all the embarrassing and damaging criticism that came out during the trial and another shot across the bow from the Cheney faction of the gov’t against his enemies (Rove and friends?)
okay Tinfoil off now.
Originally, Mr. Rove was only a personal adviser to the president. A private contractor. Then, Mr. Rove got cocky and also became Mr. Bush’s deputy chief of staff. I don’t think either is an office from which he can be removed by impeachment.
I assumed that Rove originally wanted a limited formal role to hide his pervasive influence and to avoid being vulnerable to Congressional review or impeachment. Mr. Bush would, no doubt, seek to spike any direct investigation of Mr. Rove by claiming that his employment and advice were subject to his “executive [sic] privilege”.
But Congress might hold hearings on say, the security clearance process, including those issued to WH employees and private contractors. There have been numerous claimed abuses, such as extended “reviews”, which suspended the clearance and any appeal from a change of status, and prohibited the holder – often a progressive or meddlesome bureaucrat – from becoming aware of or influencing policy, and from being a productive part of the grapevine that makes DC work. Other needed investigations might be used as a suitable rationale for looking into Mr. Rove’s work.
A Congressional investigation into Mr. Rove’s background, assisted by subpoenas and grants of immunity, would no doubt uncover morsels that a federal or state prosecutor might find worth biting into.
I hasten to add that this is not about “politicizing” the prosecutorial or judicial process. That has to do with corruptly influencing their proceedings for political gain.
I think there exists adequate evidence of the potentially corrupt influence of Mr. Rove’s actions to begin an investigation of them. If evidence exists, as it did with Mr. Libby, only then should he be prosecuted. The chips would then fall as they may, without attempting to corrupt judge or jury.
There would, no doubt, be political fall out. But that’s the briar patch Mr. Rove says he hates to be thrown into.
Careful with the immunity, it seems to me that wholesale granting of immunity, plus a judicious pardon or two, had a lot to do with no one being held accountable for Iran/Contra or the sleazy treasonous dealings with the Iranians by the incoming Raygunites. Indeed most of those criminals that aren’t dead are in the current criminal administration.
theExile @ 170
If you’re still here, Best Friend Forever!
Elliott @163 – I think Bush would have just had someone else like Rove if he didn’t have Rove. His history is along those lines – he has the family wherewithal and the contacts and he attracts someone like Rove. Look at who else he has attracted to him. Cheney, Addington, Rumsfeld, etc. Cheney and Rove don’t even like each other all that much by some accounts. But Bush has them both in his inner circle.
He’d have had a Matlin (or a Carville) or someone else just like Rove, if not Rove, IMO. He’d have someone just like Gonzales, if not Gonzales (see, e.g., Ashcroft). He only has amoral cutthroat enablers and soft fuzzy ego strokers (Miers, Rice) and there isnt’ a dearth of either.
Rove got lucky to get the nod and he knows it – what happened in 2006 shows he’s not superstratergerizer – he’s just another of many willing to go low and enable a wealthy, ruthless, well connected, amoral and not all that interested in the details – jerk.
Of course, that JMO. *g*
Start Preemptive Impeachment hearings NOW, before these crooks do anymore damage to our democracy!!!
Re: impeaching Gonzales
As Dirty Harry would say: go ahead Democrat punks, make my day!
Seriously, Republicans would like nothing better than this. Can you say political hari-kiri? How do you think Democrat-leaning Hispanic voters would react to such a move?
Well, I’m late again, as usual, but I gotta say
CHRISTY HITS ANOTHER HOME RUN! Or maybe, in keeping with the season, ITS CHRISTY, WITH ANOTHER SLAM DUNK!
You go, girl!
Bob in HI
Albert R. Gonzales -
Making Ashcroft look good.
Anyone else notice the stars have been turned the Godly way on the ele-phant — rather than the satanist signal to all.. Maybe there ARE some wiccans in the republican party – or maybe not..