
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." — Inigo Montoya, from The Princess Bride
Almost everything President Bush and his supporters told us in January about his new way forward in Iraq is already inoperative. First, he told us that his plan called for the introduction of only 21,500 additional troops. But within a week or so it became clear that was just "combat" troops; there would also be another 7,000 to 20,000 or so more US soldiers required to support the "combat" troops. Now, just two months later, the Generals are hinting that even that may not be enough.
From yesterday's New York Times article, US Commander In Iraq Sees Long Commitment, updated here:
The new American commander in Iraq, Gen. David H. Petraeus, warned today that American troops here face a long road ahead, and left open the possibility that even more soldiers would be called to serve here, as he described the difficult task of bringing peace to the country.
The President also told the American people that 17,500 of the added troops would be sent to pacify Baghdad, with the remaining sent to reinforce the Marines in Anbar Province. This carefully thought out plan, the President and his "experts" from AEI assured us, would focus on Baghdad because securing the captial city was critical and, more important, the military warned us there were not enough troops to simultaneously pacify Baghdad and areas outside of Baghdad. But that constraint, though still valid, is now forgotten:
Among the most vexing problems he described were how to deal with rising violence outside the capital. . . . He also underscored how important it is to prevent the insurgents and death-squad members who are believed to have temporarily fled Baghdad from exporting their violence to nearby areas like Hilla, where attacks on Shiite religious pilgrims on Tuesday killed more than 100 people.
“Anyone who knows about securing Baghdad knows that you must also secure the Baghdad belts — in other words, the areas that surround Baghdad,” General Petraeus said.
The President's plan was described as a "surge," a sudden and substantial increase in troops. But when Generals and skeptics warned that the Army and Marines were too depleted, overstretched and underequipped to support this notion, their warnings were swept aside. Two months later, they have been proven correct. There is no "surge." At most, there is an unsteady trickle of added troops as rotations in are accelerated and rotations out are delayed — a strategy that is simply unsustainable.
With barely one-third of the promised additional American and Iraqi “surge” troops now available on the ground, the new security plan for Baghdad is only beginning to take effect.
The Administration also encouraged the impression that the increase in US forces would be temporary. Joe Lieberman explained that this plan would work where others had failed because . . . well, this plan was different, and then our troops could come home. He and his fellow neocons from the National Review essentially told skeptics to shut up, demanding that they give the plan a chance to work. Well, that has happened. Administration supporters repeatedly talked in January about the importance of achieving substantial progress within six to nine months. Republican Senator Warner told us, back in November and December, that the next six months were critical. It is now March, and all expectations about these milestones are already disappearing.
General Petraeus repeatedly stressed the long-term nature of the “surge,” as the current buildup of troops and operations has come to be called, and he was careful not to put a ceiling on the number of troops that may eventually be needed or how long they may need to stay in Iraq.
He said there were no “looming” requests for additional troops, and that he had not yet endorsed an assessment by the second-ranking commander in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Ray Odierno, that the greatly enlarged American force should remain undiminished for at least one full year.
But General Petraeus added, “If you’re going to achieve the kinds of effects that we probably need, that it would need to be sustained certainly for some time well beyond the summer.”
The president promised the Iraqi people that his plan would help protect them. Last year at this time, sectarian militias helped provide security for the hundreds of thousands of pilgrims during the February-March Shia holidays; this year, the militias went into hiding to avoid confrontations with the US/Iraqi security forces, while hundreds of people were killed by bombs. Despite repeated calls for reconciliation, we still won't allow the Iraqis to use the people they most trust to provide their own security.
But he emphasized that successes had come with devastating setbacks. “Schools, health clinics and marketplaces have all been attacked,” he said. “Car bombs have targeted hundreds of innocent Iraqis,” including worshipers in Habbaniya and college students in Baghdad. . . .Similarly, General Petraeus appeared to take a softer line on the Mahdi militia led by the anti-American cleric Moktada al-Sadr, saying that many coalition countries had a “variety of auxiliary police” but that Iraqi leaders must ultimately decide the Mahdi militia’s fate.
The challenge, he said, “has been to determine how do you incorporate those who want to serve in a positive way, as neighborhood watches, let’s say, but unarmed in our own communities, but without turning into something much more than that.”
The President also told the American people that our commitment to Iraq was not "open ended," but Petraeus talked as though it was open ended.
General Petraeus’s open-ended strategy appeared to be an effort to avoid a repeat of the pattern that has doomed past American efforts to halt the insurgency. In hot spots including Tal Afar and Diyala, United States soldiers have cracked down on insurgents and then reduced the American presence only to see insurgents retake old ground.
The President emphasized the need for political progress from the Iraqis in movings toward reconcilation. He assured us that he told the Iraqi leaders that the American people were losing patience and would not continue their support without substantial progress by the Iraqis. But polls suggest the American people are already there. And yesterday, when the Democrats in the House and Senate proposed to set timetables and condition continued US troop commitments to progress by the Iraqis in meeting certain political milestones, the President threatened to veto any legislation that made such a connection.
Here is what is becoming clear:
– There is no "surge." A "surge" is not possible, because the US military is no longer capable of any meaningful "surge" — not in Iraq, not anywhere.
– The US military acknowledges that it is not capable of achieving a military victory in Iraq. It is not clear that any number of US or foreign troops could achieve that, but it is likely that whatever that large number is, the US does not have even a significant fraction of that number to send.
– There is no longer any meaningful "coalition of the willing" to continue the occupation of Iraq. Whatever happens in Iraq, we are mostly on our own.
– It is probably not possible for the US military to achieve even the military objectives the President's plan promised, yet those objectives are already expanding to larger areas. The Generals are also telling us that broader US objectives cannot be achieved by military means alone but instead require substantial political reconciliation among the Iraqis. It is doubtful that the continued presence of US troops contributes to that reconciliation.
– We do not know whether violence in Iraq would be subtantially worse or less if we began to withdraw. However, polls there indicate that a substantial majority of Iraqis, including the Sunnis who presumably have the most to fear from majority Shia retribution if we left, want us to leave. The greatest threat to these people is that we apparently have no plans for protecting the most vulnerable, or for handling the surge of refugees under any scenario, even though "about 3.8 million Iraqis have [already] fled their homes and at least 50,000 Iraqis are fleeing each month."
– There is no reason to believe that the US and Iraqi governments share the same objectives, even though US objectives rely heavily on cooperation from the Iraqis.
– The President has no viable plan to achieve "success," whatever that means, but he will oppose any plan that calls for withdrawal of US troops. Taken together, this is equivalent to an open-ended commitment to continuing the occupation and participation in Iraq's civil/sectarian wars.
– The President's plan is not a plan for "victory." Rather, it is a plan for continued occupation of Iraq. We appear to have enough troops there to keep from being driven out, and to continue attacks in selected parts of Iraq, but not all of it, and not enough to achieve much more that is positive.
– Because it is unwilling to withhold funding in any meaningful way, the Congress does not have a viable strategy for getting the nation out of this stalemate. We are stuck in Iraq and the war will continue through the end of the Bush/Cheney regime.
– Only the Bush/Cheney regime's removal from office can change this fundamental stalemate.
– If the above is correct, then responsibility for the stalemate in Iraq will be the dominant issue in the 2008 elections, and the American people will be furious. Many incumbents will not be safe, and the Republican party could be savaged. With their political survival at stake, and with national security and responsibility for losing a war — and at least 30,000 US casualties — at issue, the 2008 elections could be very mean indeed.
I hope I'm wrong. UPDATE: Juan Cole assesses the “surge” at Salon.
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J U S T I C E !!!
Scarecrow!!
Waxman!!
Fitz!!
cbl!!
Inconceivable!
(BTW, it should be Inigo)
Here’s all you need to know about Petraeus, from Peter Galbraith’s piece in the March 15 issue of the NY Review of Books:
Mornin’, Scarecrow -
Just for the sake of spotlighting, is there an extra “a” in the last sentence of the last bullet point?
An Iraq political solution is the only way to diminish the killings. General Petraeus is being as honest as he can given the position of his political leadership. Whether or not his policies will dampen down the violence I don’t know. One friend of mine who knows Petraeus professionally thinks that he his the best choice for this assignment.
Personally, I think we should not have gone there in the first place and I am glad my nephew in Afghanistan is coming home this month.
Tying in, with the growing effects of things like surges:
Imus put the screws to Shumer this morning about Walter Reed–Schumer had to admit he hasn’t been to Walter Reed since before the Iraq War. [wfan.com “Instant Replay”]
Nicholson should have to empty bedpans for a week before he’s allowed on media again.
Every Senator and Congressperson should have to go there before they vote on any war-related bills. Especially the ones who intend to continue rubberstamping this administration. I’m lookin’ at you, J-Lie.
And media people. When’s the last time any of those guys have gone to Walter Reed? Or a soldier’s funeral?
And don’t get me started on BushCo. Especially right now that lying thug Snowjob.
But in the meantime, we can each contact our Con/Sens and ask each one “When’s the last time you were at Walter Reed?”
the only thing surging is gooper lies
No doubt he’s a swell guy. Too bad he has no f***ing idea what he’s doing…
twolf -
Yeh, still watching Hess on C-Span……..apparently the wingers are loving her b/c she’s mostly been putting spin on the so-called improvements she’s seen recently. Unfortunately, all the horror stories she’s telling about the hideous things happening to the Iraqi people will be taken by the wingers as *just something they’re having to go thru* to get to democracy.
Dru @ 2
Thanks. I was guessing. It’s fixed.
Good morning everyone.
Anus in the morning may have put the screws to Schumer but he failed to mention the role of Rep Young of Florida Gooper Florida who proudly announced he covered up the problem so as not to embarrass Schrub
Anus is a gooper tool and his attack on Schumer was stupid and pointless like most of his schtick
‘morning, all… the coffee is ready.
Waccamaw @ 4
Sorry, I can’t find it.
[Mod Note; I fixed that one.]
“I don’t think that word means what you think it means.” — Inigo Montoya, from The Princess Bride
Actually, it was Fessik, played by the late, great, andre the giant.
The quote is actually:
“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
said as noted by Inigo Montoya at 00:16:30 or thereabouts.
Steve LaBonne @ 9
As you point out he may not know what he is doing but he has the job to do something. If it not him then it would be someone else. As long as George and Dick want this, and Congress doesn’t have the balls to stop it, it will continue.
For anyone not watching Washington Journal, Pam Hess from UPI is saying the only news sources the soldiers in Iraq are getting is faux noise & internet (she isn’t sure whether they get CNN or not). Can you imagine the level of disinformation ALL these people are going to come back with? :-(
Ryd @ 15
Ah. An important bit of trivia. Thanks, I fixed it.
I’m afraid it’s an open-ended occupation, Scarecrow and the more the place empties of Iraqis, well the easier getting that black gold will be and the nicer we can keep our bases.
Sad to say, there seems to be more than a few Dems that really don’t mind…
OT, the Krauthammer opinion piece of poo has about 12 pages of comments so far lambasting the fool for being a fool.
melandell @
15
Nah, Fessik said something like “my way doesn’t seem very sportsmanlike.”
This so called surge into Baghdad should have been called Operation Camel’s Nose.
Good Morning Scarecrow -
am very busy spotlighting this piece – talk about your cogent !
May I suggest you consider cross posting this over at Gillard’s Place
- they could use the help
- Gilliard would approve
- it would be welcomed by his community
and writing of this caliber deserves a wider audience ;0
Well, the quote of the day (last night) came fro Gingrich in his ABC interview.
If there were no Republicans, blogs would die; these guys just blog themselves.
Murtha on MSNBC…
While I definitely do not support this war, I am vexed by the fact that we spend countless billions on a military and we don’t seem to have soldiers to send to fight in wars.
What are we spending all these billions of dollars on?
Isn’t it time to downsize the whole military thing and stop throwing money at it… so that leaders and generals are encouraged to look at problems and only see military solutions?
If we didn’t have this huge military we wouldn’t be getting into such triuble and further draining our resources, human and financial in these absurd adventures.
cbl @ 24
Thanks for the reminder about Steve. We should all send our best wishes and a lotta love.
Re the cross-posting, I like the idea, but not sure how that’s done. When Christy comes by, we can ask.
but if congress continues to fund the war – won’t both parties be responsible for the stalemate?
Scarecrow @ 19
Inconcievable!
I read or heard — can’t remember where — that Waxman had a very clever strategy for how he was going to use the Plame hearing and Fitz. Anyone seen any discussion of that?
AZ Matt @ 21
AZ Matt -
Refuse to read Krauthammer but the first two pages of comments sure were fun. *g*
Scarecrow @ 31
I assumed that his knives are sharp and he is going to perform the death of 1000 cuts on the administration.
It’s been pretty clear since late November 2003 when Wolfowitz narrow missed getting taken out by a rocket in Baghdad, that the end game of this disastrous and evil venture was going to be long and painful. We’ve been in the painful part for some time; we are now entering long territory. This is a tragedy that will be played out to the end. I don’t see Congress getting any traction with the practical problem of getting troops out, because the Administration can stall to the end of its term of ofice. Things will happen on the ground, and it won’t be pretty. It’s hard to see the troops staying with it when they have to play Russian r*ulette with the IED’s everyday on their way to work. I think we will start seeing refusals.
We lost the strategic initiative when we went in. We have pretty much lost tactical initiative. The rest is just killing and maiming until the pain gets too great to stand.
Waccamaw @ 32
Ya, I just skimmed it since he was relying on Teonsing’s “analysis” of what was wrong. He is a very lazy fool.
per Shuster last night on KO -
some GOP rep said it was “shrewd” of Waxman as it will put the focus on WH misdeeds and take focus off ‘Scooter is a nice guy, deserves a pardon’ meme
I’m sorry, we were told from the very START of this “surg’e that it’s DEFINATELY not enough assets to accomplish ANYTHING but harm our soldiers
none of this “might not be enough” stuff, the generals said it was “defantely not enough
more Shuster -
and bringing in experts to testify as to how Natl Sec. Info is “supposed” t/b handled by WH, it will further underscore how the OVP used intel for political purposes
time for everyone of our politicians to start referring to the vice president in terms that dmeonstrate he is an enemy of the state
cbl @
38
Yep, thanks, it was Schuster. Wonder who the other witnesses will be and what the WH will tell the CIA to say.
Thanks again, scarecrow. Kudos, and i dont’ think you’re wrong. Why the congress is taking so long to make the connection between oil and our long term presence there is depressing.
and more, EPU’d from late nite:
Krugman’s column (thanks Marion) really takes Rayne’s and lhp’s comments the past few weeks right to center stage. What a debt we owe to those two professors who catalogued the DOJ chicanery.
Still seems to come down to the congressional cojones quotient.
Here’s the link to Krug.
We’ve run out of everyday words to describe the evil done by this shi@ of fools.
I’m an editor in my “real life” (actually, I’ve begun to suspect that this is the real life), so I love nit-picking grammar and spelling as much as anyone. More, maybe. (And yes, I’m setting myself up, because if I make a mistake here, I’m totally busted!)
May I suggest that the operative words here are “blood” and “bleed” and their assorted forms?
We’re talking 18 months of continuing madness, per the Dem plan. Now I understand the political plus of going that route. But the reality is that Americans and Iraqis will be dying in huge numbers every single day for — what? — upwards of 500 days.
Americans are not being sent to “serve.” That’s a PC dodge. They’re being sent to bleed. Literally and metaphorically. Sometimes to bleed and die.
McCain and Obama were absolutely right. These lives are being wasted. W-A-S-T-E-D. No apology required.
What are we thinking?? It’s immoral to keep forcing Americans (and Iraqis) to die for what has been called the war that has no cause. Hubris. Some cause. Do you really want to send your spouse, your kids, your grandkids to die for George Bush’s wild hair?
Didn’t think so. Let’s bring ‘em home. Now.
Crazy Horse @ 41
Wow, that’s a great column from Krugman. What a national treasure he is. Thanks Crazy Horze (and Marion).
good luck with that Chimpy – other than Hayden, there aren’t too many WH shills left over there – believe Hayden’s # 2 or #3 was a guy Poter Goss fired (and replaced w/ Foggo) but Hayden brought back as a means of staving off mass resignations -
further, go ahead and invite John McLaughlin (Tenet’s #2) a lifelong company man, but definitely someone who felt Cheney’s sting :)
magic wand of de-classification my ass
Scarecrow, everything you and others point out about the irrationality of the iraq war madness, seems to become clear at the nexus of the PNAC and chainey’s secret Energy Task Force. am i correct in assuming that’s a given here at FDL?
barbara, nice frame on Iraq bleeding.
It’s telling that the additional troops include 2200 Military Police whose job it will be to run prisons housing arrested Iraqis. A year from now, they won’t know why the prisoners are there or what to do with them.
barbara @ 43
It was interesting to watch what happened to McCain and Obama after they used the word “wasted” and then watch how many others picked it up and said, “well, those lives were wasted.” I thought there were two difference frameworks — one for those who believed in what they were doing, and hence their “sacrifice” was not “wasted,” and another for those who thought there was no worthy cause, and hence the terms seem appropriate. In between is a great chasm.
from laura rozen at war and piece:
Very OT, but I had a thought about Bush going to Brazil for biofuel. This could be seen as a threat to the entire middle east, stated thus: if you don’t give us oil energy willingly, we’ll get energy someplace else/make it ourselves. I think Bush has been unwilling, because of family/friend oil wealth, to consider real alternatives. I think this move is not sincere, BTW, but it perhaps reveals that he is now being influenced by someone other than Cheney, and is a good rebellion against Poppy. I think this trip to Brazil is more important than it seems on the surface.
WASHINGTON—Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich acknowledged he was having an extramarital affair even as he led the charge against President Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky affair, he acknowledged in an interview with a conservative Christian group.
“The honest answer is yes,” Gingrich, a potential 2008 Republican presidential candidate, said in an interview with Focus on the Family founder James Dobson to be aired Friday, according to a transcript provided to The Associated Press. “There are times that I have fallen short of my own standards. There’s certainly times when I’ve fallen short of God’s standards.”
Gingrich argued in the interview, however, that he should not be viewed as a hypocrite for pursuing Clinton’s infidelity.
“The president of the United States got in trouble for committing a felony in front of a sitting federal judge,” the former Georgia congressman said of Clinton’s 1998 House impeachment on perjury and obstruction of justice charges. “I drew a line in my mind that said, ‘Even though I run the risk of being deeply embarrassed, and even though at a purely personal level I am not rendering judgment on another human being, as a leader of the government trying to uphold the rule of law, I have no choice except to move forward and say that you cannot accept … perjury in your highest officials.”
Crazy Horse — I always assumed that Cheney’s energy task force was focused on domestic energy issues — protect coal and nuclear, expedite permitting re LNG/nukes, etc, expand their distorted view of markets in electricity (my field) and focus tax and investment policies on supply side, not demand side. I never thought of it in geopolitical terms, because I assumed Cheney was already there and didn’t need their advice.
Prof Cole’s article in Salon yesterday was well worth the read and on topic, as is his post today .. the link to his Salon article is available @ the link.
http://www.juancole.com/
DefJef at #27 says:
In a word, Halliburton!
In an aside, but also on topic, I see on the news that our Governor, Janet Napolitano, is visiting Iraq & Afghanistan. Should be interest to see what her take is on this mess once she gets back.
another cloud over our Country and this admin:
(outrage mine)
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/U…..82007.html
Crazy Horse @ 46
A little backrground: “Robert Newman’s History of Oil”
http://getintheirface.blogspot…..f-oil.html
*Try the comments too.
selise at #29 says:
That was my thought, too.
angie @ 53
Thanks angie — I’ve added that link to the post.
Ann in AZ @ 54
in fact, we are not “spending” it on on haliburton, we are “giving” it to haliburton
The “surge” is utter bullshit, like pretty well everything else emanating from Bushco, but sadly, that is just a reflection of what is delivered to us all; we are in the hands of the mind benders. Do not hold your collective breath that any Congressional Hearing will really change things; Waxman is, after all, just a member of the New Best Congress Money Can Buy.
Nothing will change until, probably, a new American Revolution, which in turn will take the People in general to have reached some sort of bottom in exasperation. The majority society believes in Marshall McLuhan’s statement “Perception is Reality.” An example might be that most of the readers of this site believe that the US is a democracy: it is not.
Back to the surge. There have been many of us who said at the outset of GW’s adventure that more than 500,000 were required in the first place to ensure success, that Baghdad alone needs about 130,000 boots on the ground to be a successful Occupying Force. The most obvious of these folk lately has been General Odom…..
We are told that Gen Petraeus is the US expert at counter insurgency and occupation. Where and when did he learn the craft? He has learnt a great deal academically, certainly, but he would carry more weight as our “Expert” if he would be clear that his 21,500 boots on street corners are meaningless, and, more important, he would be clear that we are not at war in Iraq any longer but conducting a resisted occupation. This is not war, despite there being so much shooting. It is called “counter insurgency” (I wonder if this where Rove collected the word ’surge’?) in aid of the civil power.
Bush is one-eyed about stealing the oil, but he is incapable of sustaining the “deals” he has imposed. They will be over-turned the second we slink away. We are going broke so fast that that is looming ever closer.
This Administration, led by PNAC etc. may have irreparably damaged this country’s capacity to position itself for the world’s next phase, the moving on of the richest society from the US to, probably, India, by-passing China. Entering the transition broke is going to be very messy.
It all stems from the lunatic Constitution which permits the arrival of a completely new set of bosses every four years. We pretend it is ‘democracy’, but is it, when Bush could arrive and appoint and sub-appoint possibly hundreds of thousands who then regulate our lives? Democracy? Bah!
Scarecrow, you’re correct in assuming the task force focused on domestic policy, but i was under the impression the proper way to divide up the Iraqi oil was also discussed. Wish, like thousands of others, we could get the meeting notes and documents.
OT, is the Hugo Chavez stadium rally today in Buenos aires (with rumors of Bolivia’s Morales attending), a mere 60 km from bush’s paraguay visit, getting any press in the US?
Regretfully, I think you’re right, Scarecrow. Good but sad analysis.
Scarecrow at 25
What I can’t overlook is that he only gets that he’d be deeply embarrassed by his behavior (which is to say, the judgement of others) but not by the very hypocrisy of it. And that line about “Even though at a purely personal level I am not rendering judgment on another human being,” well, Newt, you can’t have your cake and eat it, too. Judge not lest ye be judged. It’s like he took a circumspect look at how this would play and issued defenses on both logical grounds and among the reaction of the devout. Just pick one strategy.
Christy.
Wonderful post, and so terribly disturbing. These maniacs in the administration -AND their apologists just must be stopped in their tracks.
Furthermore, all sympathy for the likes of Irving Libby must be squelched. It’s just stunning to me that, even now, we have to remind everyone we can reach that ALL those lies brought out in Libby’s trial, ALL that insane nonsense for which Libby’s sympathy-squad falsely labels him the hapless fall guy – ALL OF THAT was part and parcel of administration’s lying that lured the US into this dead-end-canyon of misery in Iraq!
Libby IS as GUILTY as all the rest. The current freedom of rove, cheeknee and shrub does NOT render Libby any less guilty.
Libby must not be pardoned. Period.
The rest of that horrible gang must be held accountable. Period.
cbl @ 36
Oh, yeah, right, I heard that, too. The other point he made is that (to paraphrase) it will make the beautiful Valerie Plame the focal point, and go into how the administration betrayed her and her work, thereby putting politics over national security.
Open ended occupation.
This has been another edition of simple answers to simple questions.
Crazy Horse @ 61
Bush to sign biofuels pact in Brazil
Laura at #49, Scarecrow at 48; and Barbara at #43—
The string of offenses (to our nation and our sensibilities) listed by Laura is the shortlist. I have toured blogs now for about 1 1/2 yrs in earnest, and often I see such a list of successive offenses. It has impact to a reader. So Barbara (editor): tell me why the authors of mainstream columns and op eds donot use litanies–columnar lists– and instead focus on highlighting a few things with clever narrative embellishments tied to some over-arching summary or conclusion when they write? Blogs folks don’t seem to shy from lists—hell, we seem to revel in them–because they show the reach and magnitude of offenses over time and over subject matter. I mean the very REACH of offense is made so much clearer.
And what would happen if some Congressman actually put such a list on an easel and ticked them off, and then said there was ample evidence to entertain a motion of impeachment? (Ross Perot made everyone a sucker for flip-chart graphics–it still works when it’s done right.)
And why not have slow crawl on the evening news just showing the magnitude of the lists. You could even do a comparative split-screen: on the left, Clinton’s List and on the right Bush’s list—now see which is longer for each category of offense!!!
People don’t tire of lists—so why is the “better” and “more visible” voices of our age fail to use them?
Scarecrow and others,
was wondering if Petraeus’ candor was pushback on Kagan ? through however flimsy cover now provided by Gates’ ?
am probably being waaay too optimistic
from the compost, “Frequent Errors In FBI’s Secret Records Requests, Audit Finds Possible Rule Violations“.
more from the nyt:
glenn greenwald, of course, has the analysis, “The FBI’s lawbreaking is tied directly to President Bush“.
Maunga@60: The only thing that will save the US is the “lunacy” of overturning the leader every four years! That is peaceful revolution, you fool! Sorry, but I’ve almost never heard anything more misguided in my life.
I understand your rage. However, our Constitution is the absolute best, and if it is followed, all will be well. I felt something similar when we were being chewed up in Viet Nam, but ditching the foundations of gvernment isn’t going to do anything but worldwide harm. Get a grip.
Oops—for Barbara the editor:
People don’t tire of lists—so why is (it) the “better” and “more visible” voices of our age fail to use them?
March 9th, 2007 at 6:19 am
Scarecrow at #40 says:
Well, of course, it would seem it’s time to hear from Armitage, Rove, Cheney, all the members of Whig…
o/t kinda sorta -
felt the stir of excitement when I saw this HuffPo headline -
* Top GOP Sen: “There Will Be A New Attorney General, Maybe Sooner Rather Than Later”
then I read the article, and oh yeah, you guessed it, Rove’s Bitch (R- Feint)
At least every finally realises that invading Iraq was a bad idea. (Except Cheney.)
george kenney at electric politics has an interview posted this morning with tom lasseter, (of mcclatchy), “The Price of Real Estate in Baghdad“.
i haven’t listened yet (just downloading now), but george usually does verg good interviews… posting in the comments now, ‘cuz iraq is the topic. here’s the intro:
itwasntme @ 71
So the exact way England was run in 1780 was so perfect? That is the exact system of government which was laid out in the Constitution of the US with the minor difference of an elected Head of State instead of an inherited one.
There had been a burgeoning democracy under Walpole until George III stole back executive power. That was over-turned again when Pitt became Prime minister and returned power to Parliament: democracy developed from there.
Do remember that the drafters tried to get Lafayette, Prince Charles Edward Stuart and George Washington to be king.
It is delusional — Perception is Reality, remember, — to believe the US Constitution is anything other than a perpetuation of freezing the US as a developing democracy.
But the idiocy of Iraq is the matter in hand. We should not still be there if we had been able to “throw the bums out” last November.
I got yer plan B.
Impeachment and evacuation.
lison gare @ 63
I was less interested in his personal life than his statement that perjury couldn’t be tolerated. Very timely comment, I thought.
BushCo mandate circa 2000:
Totally destroy and discredit the people’s faith in their government and America’s cred and capability as the world’s sole super power…
Mission accomplished.
Brownie, Bremer, Nicholson…. heckuva job, Bushie.
I love it when I see the word “occupation.” There is no “War on Terror,” there is no success or victory. The War on Terror was abandoned when the US invaded Iraq. The war on Saddam Hussein’s region was, in fact, successful, although its primary accomplishment was destabilization of the region.
So much of the discourse is semantic. I guess that should be obvious. When the deeply cynical “surge” was first proposed, it took weeks for Dems to begin to call it what it really is: an escalation. Gradually that was accomplished to a certain degree, but there seems to be some backsliding. It was never a “surge,” and needs to continue to be called an escalation.
And the US military presence in Iraq needs to be called an occupation. Over and over again. By all of us. That’s what it is. There is no war, and it’s not about terrorism. There is no victory.
This has been said many times by many others, but hammering away at it and changing the terms of the discourse is a crucially important part of the fight.
As the “surge” expands into a “bulge” and we all just sit on our hands, I ran across something related. Lots of recent press has been given over to the idea Libby is a “scape-goat” or sacrificial lamb for Cheney. Libby is sympathetic to the jury who convicted him. Libby is really a good guy who lied for his boss.
So embedded in this statement is something that, if true, might change the complexion of that sentiment. This was on JRE’s website in the comments up for review section.
quote
KnowMore in Arguments & Analyses
3/09/2007 at 7:02 AM EST
Historical perspective is important. In 1992, at the request of then Secretary of Defense Richard Cheney, Libby co-authored with Paul Wolfowitz the “Defense Planning Guidance” calling for the U.S. to take an aggressive stance to define itself as the dominant world power, with a willingness to strike preemptively without the support of the UN, and particularly eyeing Iraq and North Korea.
When the report was leaked to the press, it went underground — until the birth of the Project of the New American Century, whose founding Principles statement of 1997 includes the signatures of Libby, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush, Elliot Abrams, Zalmay Khalilzad and more.
Libby has always been an idealogue pushing for war.
Yes, we should look deeper – but Libby’s no victim here.
end quote
Does anybody know if this is true?
World Can’t Wait.
Scarecrow and others -
where is al-Sadr ? have been worried for weeks now about US Military riding around in the backs of non armored pick ups, going in to Sadr City, or posting at clearly marked, indefensible security kiosks – either we’ve all been duped and his numbers and strength much hyped . . . or these are some seriously disciplined guerillas
Christy. a little housekeeping…
-just before the 4th blockquote – “Noverment” should be “November”?
-within quote at the end of the 5th statement under your heading, “Here is what is becoming clear:”
should be “fleeing”?
Again – wonderful post. It’s amazing you didn’t short out your keyboard. I can’t even read without the tears coming, & I’m normally kinda tuff.
One foot in front of the other, hon…
Bless you for dedicating your considerable talents to this cause.
This little corner of the world is very grateful for your efforts, and I suspect we have lots of company. ;->
yes dude– go here and scroll down and peruse at will.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/…../1992.html
I guess we have to occupy them over there so we can occupy ourselves here.
Exclusive: Report Says FBI Violated Patriot Act Guidelines
AZ Matt @
21
Linky?
Adie, Scarecrow is the author of this excellent post.
Adie @ 85
Thanks for catching these typos. Really appreciate it. Christy does too. ;)
well here’s a laugh…from think progress;
now THAT’S a riot
Krautthamer
cbl @
84
Reports I’ve seen all say his militia under strict orders to cooperate, not resist. And yes, it’s an interesting contrast between the reports of the Iraq Army and it’s lack of discipline/loyalty, and the response of the Mahdi Army. Of course, al-Sadr was reported to acquiesce when US went after rogue elements believed to be involved in death squad activities.
perris @ 91
We should invite them to Washington D.C.
March 9th, 2007 at 7:12 am
Adie at #85 says:
Adie, I was wondering if you’d noticed yet that Scarecrow wrote this post?
Thanks, jayackroyd @92.
“– Only the Bush/Cheney regime’s removal from office can change this fundamental stalemate.”
I think that the party leadership needs to start calling openly for Cheney’s resignation. If he does resign, we need to be in a position to take credit for forcing him out, and if he doesn’t.. well, holding him over the fire and keeping him there might just distract shrub enough so that he ceases taking the initiative to commit yet more acts of strategic impecility in Iraq….
HEY Scarecrow!
I just finished my 1st cuppa. Maybe you can tell. My muddled, normally already feeble mind simply declared, “if it’s morning post, it must be Christy.” (errors in my 64, 85, probably here too, sigh)
Pfffft! Go figure. & Sincere apologies for mistaking your screed for that of a goddess, Scarecrow.
- plus having the absolute gall to point out lil’ typos to you. How about me-own, fgs! *blush*
-uh- thanks guys for being so gentle at 89 & 90 *g* jeeessssh! I’m awake! I’m AWAKE!
*fumbles for the coffee pot again…*
angie @ 86
Naturally, there is no breath of a suggestion of any linkage to The Lobby and the messianic 1,000 Year Reich the neocon envisages.
the Mayans have to do what the Indians had to do after he defiled Gandhi’s shrine last year.
Nope, no Lobby there maunga.
perris @ 91
This Happened Once Before
Ann at 95
yeahyeahyeah, thanks *g*
anyone else wanna take a shot before I go back to reading? heh
Adie @ 98
The truth is, Adie, that Christy has done lots of cleaning up of my posts, so your instincts were on the right track. First time I’ve been confused with a goddess, though.
Ted Koppel on Colbert explained that we are misguided to think that pulling out of Iraq will end the war. Koppel explained that the war began in 1983 when our embassy was hit, and the uss cole and the first trade center event and etc. Of course Koppel didn’t offer any reasons as to why we are under seige, but if he did it seems he would have said that they hate us for our freedom or for our non-negotiable lifestyle. It couldn’t possibly have anything to do with our policies.
Anyway Koppel pushed the never- ending war meme, and Colbert was totally ineffectual in spinning a clever satire against the war- mongering shill.
Thank the divine feminine for the internet tubes.
cbl- what Scarecrow said: the Sadrists, not being nearly as dumb as Bush and Petraeus, are simply playing possum. They know that however long the US troops stay, the day after they leave (even if that’s in 2017), they and other Shia militias will face no resistance that has a prayer of stopping them. So why should they make trouble and risk getting their asses shot off now, when they know they are the inevitable winners if they’re patient? And meanwhile the US troops will do some of their anti-Sunni-insurgent dirtywork for them. Such a deal.
zhiv @ 81
Exactly!!!!
The War on Terror was abandoned when Bush-Cheney-Rumsfield abandoned the hunt for bin Laden for their aggressive war of choice.
There are, however, war crimes. That will haunt the soul of this country forever.
And the real goddess, Christy, has A NEW THREAD upstairs.
Thanks for all the great comments this a.m. Off to work.
so valery is called before congress to testify
is she allowed or obligated to talk about her covert status if they ask even if the cia told her not to?
hackworth @ 104
kopel has somehow confused Iraq with al qaeda then
he needs an education, does he have comments
in a perfect cbl world -
Congressman Waxman would bring forth someone who has been if not hurt, at least compromised by OVP’s work on Brewster Jennings, and that soul would testify behind a screen – oh yeah, a little theatre even the most compromised weenie guzzler would have to report on
Koppel — Liverpudlian Immigrant Liar. He is repeating Dubya/Cheney War on Terra/ Al Qa’eda/ Saddam Hussein Osama bin Laden bullshit, as usual, all PNAC/The Lobby horseshit.
USS Cole, Nairobi and Dar were Osama actions, and nothing, just in case we have visiting readers, whatsoever, to do with Saddam Hussein and Iraq.
From the very beginning of the bush/cheney takeover of our country, the plan has been for a permanent presence in the middle east – to guarantee an oil supply for the U.S., and to protect Israel. How many Friedmans have we gone through already, with at least 2 or 3 more lined up? 9/11 was the perfect excuse for these arrogant people.
Scarecrow @ 103
Nah -ah! Don’t you let me off the hook! Me NOR Libby! And I was drinkin’ Starb! – don’t anyone tell you it’s too strong, harumph.
Yeah, I was teasin’ in self-defense, not confused – don’ worry. I’ve seen yer picture from FDL lore, u handsome devil.
perris @ 108
I doubt she’d be asked or allowed to answer, and I dont think she wants to be the person to answer that question first. If the Committee wants to answer that question, they should first ask for an official statement from the CIA about her status or why they cannot answer the question. The neocons would just spin any statement from Valerie as self serving. JMO.
Crow
Great story- comprehensive and well written Congrats.
nothing like a good laugh to recover from a good cry.
thanks guys. most happy to be a fall-gal here at the Lake.
*chases upstairs after goddess*
“Only the Bush/Cheney regime’s removal from office can change this fundamental stalemate.”
Stalemate is the best word to describe the juncture we have reached, relative to making Bush answer for his administration’s mis-deeds.
It’s all over the blogs, but the MSM won’t say it: there is a firestorm of educated opinion, from the right, the left and the middle, that proposes Congress should impeach Cheney based on the evidence acquired in the Libby trial.
In that Cheney impeachment, all the lies and conspiracies would be exposed.
THEN impeach Bush based on evidence gathered at the Cheney impeachment.
Just want to reiterate, I think Condi Rice will be our next Vice President, and I mean BETWEEN now and November of ‘08. They have already prepped her for the job, both in terms of her international image make-over(Condi the Peacemeker) and moving Negraponte in as her closest subordinate.
Which means that Negraponte, (another questionable peacemaker), will become Secretary of State and Condi will be bumped up to her historic appointment. And you can probably win a bet that when they decided to move Negraponte, that point in time marks when Cheney had actually decided to resign “for health-related reasons.” His clean-up world-tour just gave him the chance to get the fellow conspirators all agreed on one final lie, then Cheney’s off to lay around at Kenny Boy’s place in the Marrianas.
How ironic, that appointing a true PNACer like Condi Rice as VP could also represent such an historic leap forward in our perpetual, white-male-dominated political self-image.
But, Machiavelli might suggest, we aren’t likely, here on the left, to impeach Condi, no matter how much she knew.
I think we would all prefer it was someone a bit more representative of an alternative and individualistic ideology, rather than a pnac power-clone, but I guess we’ll have to work with the history we’ve got, not the one we want…
Hopefully, the children of the future will have a pnac-related footnote attached to every Condi reference that might make its way into their history books.
I’ve got it!!
We need to have a ritual to purify the United States, the White House, and Congress!
A ritual by Native Americans.
“– Because it is unwilling to withhold funding in any meaningful way, the Congress does not have a viable strategy for getting the nation out of this stalemate. We are stuck in Iraq and the war will continue through the end of the Bush/Cheney regime.
– Only the Bush/Cheney regime’s removal from office can change this fundamental stalemate.”
The irony here is that Democrats in Congress can “run out the clock” through ‘08 by doing just enough to appear they want to end the occupation, yet allow the carnage to continue thus ensuring that Iraq as a political issue cripples the Repubs in the next election.
Politically, that strategy might work, but morally (at least for the rest of us progressive dfhs) it’s repugnant.
The VP-Rice/PNAC footnote: the caption under her photo will read;
“Condoleeza Rice was the first woman and the first African American to serve as Vice President of the United States.” *
*Rice was deeply involved in a group known as PNAC, which promoted a conservative political agenda that was ultimately very hostile towards women’s equality and civil rights issues.”
“3.8 million Iraqis have [already] fled their homes and at least 50,000 Iraqis are fleeing each month.”
3.8 million Iraqis is almost 15% of the population of Iraq. That would be equivalent to the entire populations of Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Conneticut (-1, of course), Delaware, Hawaii, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, and New Hamshire COMBINED. 45.6 million people. Just to give some perspective there.
barbara @
118
such rituals are often discussed in native circles, but the elders say for the ritual to have effect, the powers that be must first apologize for the genocide to the people, and the offense to our Mother. In fact, Onondaga firekeeper Oren Lyons, together with Jon Voigt, envisioned a circle of native leaders, surrounding leaders from congress and the white house to listen to the apology.
Troop surges are not bad ideas if they are matched with public works, health, education surges as well. Maybe we should spend more time protecting the institutions which we should be building for Iraqis.
Easy plan wanna hear it??
Instead of trooping cities, dangerous streets or province checks, raids, etc etc, we should protect the institutions our money is supposedly going toward for reconstruction . Our troops should secure schools, hospitals, water works, and things which Iraqis NEED. We should build these, and protect them.
Leave the Iraqi troops to protect everything else. Oh and another thing, please can we have some oversight on the police there? Can we ‘embed’ iraqi troops with our own troops? Not many. Just military advisors.
Simple problem – Things are going bad in Iraq, because no matter how many troops we have there, the average Iraqi finds themself hopeless in a culture which constantly spirals toward destruction. With nothing getting better in his community, what do you expect will happen????? Give them a reason to turn AWAY from terrorists and insurgencies and they will.
on IraqSlogger.com news of Sadr appearing in Karbala
http://www.iraqslogger.com/ind…..in_Karbala
IraqSlogger is all and only about Iraq. Has an overview/translation of what’s in the Arabic papers most days. That’s a damn sight different from the embedded in the Emerald city reporting.
Scarecrow @
48
It’s a “You can’t handle the TRUTH” moment.
But in McCain’s case he’s talking to the Kool-Aid drinkers.
Second 24
Amen to Rozen @ 49.
The biggest cloud is the on over DOJ. Almost everything done by others in the Exec was either solicitedy by, authorized by, or covered up by, DOJ. The hardest job of a lawyer is to tell their client no – the hardest job of the top policing force is to follow the law themselves and hold even their own to the rule of law.
DOJ has been a miserable failure. People went home to to hug their own children, while those that they signed off on having kidnapped, tortured and abused stayed in dark holes, with disappeared from their families and not knowing if their children were alive, or even if their children had also been disappeared and funneled into state sponsored abuse. People went on to well paid corporate slots, leaving behind the caged lives and messes they created and without a thought for their own colleagues that forced into felonies for their own career enhancement.
When the lawyers and top enforcement officers embrace state sponsored abuse and walk off with rewards for it – it’s happy talk to even call it a cloud. It’s a lot more ominous than that.
Scarecrow,
Your post was about Iraq it is equally applicable to Afghanistan.
Once a viable resistance emerged against the Christian occupation, the war was lost. The only question is the time and means of withdrawal.
The one and only way to win is to resettle the land, like the Anglo-Saxons in England, the Vietnamese in Indo-China or the Europeans in North America. If the USA is not going to have the Draft and resettlement to control the oil fields, the one and only alternative is energy conservation, the rule of law, and containment of all fundamentalists; Christian, Jewish and Muslim.
Zhiv @ 81
So much of the discourse is semantic.
It’s laughable that the Administration of Mr. Stumbletongue would use language in an attempt to pull the wool over the public’s eyes. And it’s disgusting that some people fell for it.
angie @
86
So the assertion that Libby might be just as moronically–strike that, I mean maniacally obsessed with Iraq that he could lie,lie,lie on his own with no prompting whatever from Cheney, and could out Plame just because he wanted to do it regardless of higher ups–all that is not so far fetched. It is making me wonder whether this Guidance document of 1992 said anything about intentions for Iran as well. I am not sure if I want to let Cheney off the hook intellectually for the outing of Plame (as he is the nominal boss), but I better understand Libby’s willingness to pose as “falling on the sword” for Cheney in order to appear sympathetic.
Lou Costello @
56
Lovely. Thanks for the tip.
Scarecrow @ 52
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Perhaps that explains why you’ve ignored my cries to deal with the bigger oil issues over the past few months. Be reminded also of the interview with Wesley Clark who said that he was told by someone at the Pentagon in October 2001 that they had plans to take down seven countries in five years – they all had oil interests. See yesterday’s article at
yesterday’s Buzz Flash of the Sunni party warning the Iraqi government that if they pass the oil legislation as written they’d be totally selling out the country’s assets to the Americans for the next umpteen years.
It was never a surge plan, it was always a foot in the door to maintain a long term occupation with permanent bases because Bush/Cheney/Baker want control of the oil rights there and across the region, eastern European “stan” countries, and into Africa and South America; that’s why they’re building bases all over the world. It was always the oil; the Arabs had it right all along. Talk about subsidizing the oil interests – what’s the take so far? Billions and billions, nevermind the tax writeoffs given the oil companies in the last few years.
The futuristic battlefield
By Jack A Smith
“We will export death and violence to the four corners of the Earth in defense of our great nation.” – President George W Bush in Bob Woodward’s book Plan of Attack
While most Americans are concentrating on extricating the US government from the debacle in Iraq, and most peace activists are simultaneously concerned that the Bush administration will launch a war against Iran, the leaders of the Pentagon are
planning how to win wars 10, 20, and 50 years from now.
Washington is preparing for every contingency, from rooting out a handful of suspected terrorists halfway around the world to possible wars with Russia and China.
The Defense Department’s drawing boards are groaning under the weight of blueprints for sustaining total military dominance of land, sea, air and outer space throughout this century. The costs of supporting the US government’s martial propensities will be astronomical in terms of the social programs and benefits denied American working people, not to mention the consequences of living in a state of permanent warfare.
The Futuristic Battlefield
Welcome to Amerika.