. I don't know how this image of "cute little Scooter" got started, but I think it's important to remember that he was not only a huge neocon warmonger, but one of the architects (with David Addington) of Bush's torture policy, and as such was part of the push to quash Matthew Waxman:
Waxman, a young lawyer who headed the Pentagon's office of detainee affairs, departed soon after he had a major confrontation with Addington over the issue of clarifying military rules for the treatment of prisoners. Waxman believed that international standards for the humane treatment of detainees should be followed, and argued for reforms in the Army Field Manual. He hoped to reinstate the basic standards that are specified in the Geneva Conventions. This meant the prohibition of torture, overt acts of violence, and "outrages on personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment." Although the Vice-President's office is not part of the military chain of command, last September Addington summoned Waxman to his office and berated him. Waxman declined to comment on the incident, but a former colleague in the Pentagon, in whom Waxman confided, said that Addington accused Waxman of wanting to fight the war on terror his own way, rather than the President's way. The Army Field Manual still hasn't been revised, and, according to those involved, Addington and his protégé Haynes remain the major obstacles.
Scooter may have spent the trial looking diminutive and sporting one of those Laura-Bush-on-Xanax grins but let's remember the OVP's appetite for unlimited power to engage in barbarism, and Libby was Cheney's Cheney. He's not a "fall guy," he's a willing accomplice in a plan to obstruct justice and thwart the efforts of federal investigators, and no matter how Charles Krauthammer may wax nostalgic for blow jobs he's never had it does not change the fact that Scooter's claims to have "forgotten" nine conversations was considered by a jury of his peers to be rank absurdity. He's not some sports hero "taking one for the team," his actions have led this country down a very dark road and he must not be allowed to re-invent himself. He's not going to be on the road with Arrowsmith or Clapton; he'll be playing golf with OJ.
(As a side note, during the trial I spent a lot of time sitting behind Libby's wife, who liked the cameras but didn't seem to cotton to the criminal aspect of her new found attention. She reminded me of Veronica Cartwright's line in The Right Stuff where she breaks down and starts crying because other astronaut's wives got to meet Jackie but she was "Mrs. Squirming Hatch Buster." That pretty much summed up my impression of how she saw herself in this whole thing — cast out of the Rose Garden.)
. Howie Klein has been on Dave Obey's ass all week over his war record and it looks like he finally worked his last nerve (see YouTube above where Obey is now denouncing "idiot liberals.") Go Howie.
. I'll be appearing with Dan Rather in his keynote interview at South By Southwest on Monday, March 12 at 2pm. Just had a 45 minute chat with him and it was amazing. He has a lot to say and I am really looking forward to it.
. And Jay Rosen writes — well, just read it. We're all blushing.
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madness!
Jane! Fitz! Poodles!
Just the right playing the victim card again.
In this case it’s Victim Canasta.
Jane, what do you think of this bit from Dana Milbank’s March 7th piece in WaPo & who do you think ‘em is:
Libby’s wife, Harriet Grant, was not as composed. In the first row of spectators, she hunched over and shook. A young member of Libby’s defense team put his arm around her shoulders. After judge and jury left, Grant went over to hug her husband with a furious look on her face. Three reporters heard her say what sounded like, “We’re gonna [expletive] ‘em.”
Fitz plus Starbucks = rockin good time at the courthouse.
I was once married to a an extremely nice guy. Everyone who knew him agreed that he was a nice guy. But a couple of years after we were married he began to beat me. And I spent another couple of years (before I got out) wondering what on earth I had done to make such a nice guy so angry.
And when I finally left him and began to tell our mutual friends why I left him, they all thought I was “exaggerating” — since he was such a nice guy.
Libby has more blood than any of us can begin to imagine on his hands. And Eichmann was a nice guy too.
Great points as usual, Jane. Looking forward to the panel at South by Southwest!
Jane you’re preaching to the choir as far as I’m concerned. I have been scratching my head at this poor scooter wah wah wah all week. Besides, I’m sure that Mike Espy and Henry Cisneros are nice enough guys too but I didn’t hear anyone wanting to cut them a break on account of them being such swell fellas when they were having their legal troubles.
Jane’s coming to Austin???? Oh, happy day!
I hear Ted Bundy was absolutely charming too, when he wasn’t killing young women.
I am already tired of the Libby apologists.
-GSD
As moronic as it sounds, I think Libby gets a lot of sympathy as a result of his nickname.
When I hear people talking about what a “nice guy” he is, the thing it most reminds me of is the inevitable interviews with the neighbors after the arrest of a murder. “He seemed like such a nice man!”
Crimes are judged based on what someone has done (or at least what can be proven), not how “nice” they are. If it were otherwise, trials would be a lot simpler, and I’d be able to get away with murder (literally!)
Jane in Austin next week?!? Can we have an FDL get together??? Can we have a poodle meet poodle gathering???
Looking at the pictures of Libby and his wife after the verdict, her body language does not convey much support for the little guy. Something funny is going on. Could it be that she is pissed that this has messed up the seriously-big money legal job formerly awaiting him after the White House, and she has cut Scooter off for being so stupid as to take on for the team, while Rove smirks?
Seriously, I will drive through horrendous SXSW traffic to meet you and other Lakers. (Oh dear, my hair touch up appointment is not for another week. Can I face Jane with roots?)
Gnome de Plume @ 15
I wouldn’t recommend it. It’d put you in the company of Comstock and Toensing.
;-p
desertwind @
4
I was sitting right behind her, in front of Milbank. It wasn’t a “young member of Libby’s defense team,” it was Barbara Comstock. Grant wasn’t shaking she was quietly daubing her eyes with a kleenex, and she hugged everyone BUT her husband. And if she said that, I certainly didn’t hear her.
emptywheel @ 17
Roots are acceptable except when you’re carrying a $10,000 purse. Then they make you look deranged.
Just a note: despite how he was portrayed in the movie “The Right Stuff”, Gus Grissom was a great and brave astronaut and he didn’t panic and blow the hatch. And, I might add, he gave his life for his country in the Apollo 1 fire.
Libby doesn’t deserve our respect; Grissom does.
Jane!! What a wonderful tribute to you and FDL from Jay Rosen. Wow!! He is right! FDL ROCKED at the Libby trial and the world as we know it has changed. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Well that you all should be blushing Jane but everything in Jay’s article was true and every praise is well deserved. The team from FDL owned the Libby trial and as a result the entire progressive left gained major credence. A whole raft of misinformed opinions about the lefty blogosphere were smashed. I am so glad I got to be a part of it.
As to Libby…you might be too kind to him. He is a rat of the highest order and much of the blood being spilled in the Middle East is on his hands.
Lane Wharton @ 13
That is my theory. She “sacrificed” all these years while he worked from 6 am to 8:30 pm (not a happy situation in any marriage with young children) and my sense is that this mess is not something she feels she signed up for.
She also seems fairly close to Wells, and any decent defense attny (especially in a case as weak as this) is going to try to talk plea options before risking a full-blown trial. Libby saying no to a plea–that is perhaps a get out of jail free option, would for any spouse, be felt as a choice between her and Darth Vader. He didn’t choose her and her kids.
The “He’s a nice guy” saw is an old GOP trick. That was how they sold the country on the current PINHEAD IN CHARGE.
“OOOHH He is such a nice guy. Not like that French loving elistist Kerry.”
What Horse Hockey.!
Reagan was a “nice guy” but he was 100% heartless.
Jane Hamsher >
“…And Jay Rosen writes — well, just read it. We’re all blushing.”
Blush all you want but I think Jay nails it big time. You ladies did a WORLD CLASS job & deserve da kudos.
Oh and Benjamin Franklin is doing a Snoopy Dance for sure.
(Patron Saint of blogs that he is)
Thank You sooooo much !
“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” – Buckminster Fuller
Jane Hamsher @
17
Milbank must have been having a Broder Moment when he penned that tripe.
-GSD
P.S. Fox Noise Roger Ailes has crawled out of his cavern to smear Hillary, Obama and Edwards with the Republican themes that the VRWC has settled on.
Any self respecting Democrat should not go within 10 miles of that Goebbels Machine run by Ailes and Murdoch.
By the way, who scooped Pat Caddells’ brain out with a rusty spoon?
Scooter Libby is just the sweetest, most innocentist guy ever. No wealthy white powerful Republican guy should ever be convicted of anything especially if the laws he broke don’t seem so important to other conservatives.
On the other hand Bill Clinton should have been dragged from the White House and thrown in a dungeon and tortured forever because he might have lied about having sexual conduct with a woman.
Also Hillary Clinton personally murdered dozens of people in Arkansas and killed Vince Foster by shooting him in a park.
That nice Scooter Libby, it’s about time right wingers started standing up for the rights of conservatives to block investigations and lie to investigators.
jane – don’t know if you saw it when jay rosen showed up in the comments.. if now, here it is.
he had very nice things to say about pach’s post and FDL in general… i was hoping he would write up something on the trial for pressthink. now, i’m off to read it….
you deserve every good thing that people have to say about what you’ve done. many, many thanks.
Just read the Rosen piece. I think he might have liked the FDL work on the Libby thing, but I could be wrong, it was har to tell.
The conversation below was started two threads back. I carefully crafted a detailed response, hit a button, and the whole thing disappeared into cyberspace. Vanished. Unrecoverable. I think it is highly relevant, so please excuse the EPU recovery:
Mary4 @
177
Aloha, Mary4, and thanks for your response.
I had in mind Fitz’s office of special prosecutor, which he still holds, even if it is “inactive”.
My authority in this is “Synopsis of Article on Why They Can’t Fire Fitzgerald,” By Marcia Macmullan (August 13, 2005), which includes the following (I’ll use “code” to differentiate from other quotes in this message):
Fitzgerald was empowered by Comey with unilateral authority to "expand" his jurisdiction and "pursue it wherever he wants to pursue it." ...The Government Accounting Office, (GAO) concurring in Comey's explanation that Fitzgerald has full authority to act independently, without obtaining permission from the AG. The GAO stated:"Thus, Special Counsel Fitzgerald need not follow the Department's practices and procedures if they would subject him to the approval of an officer or employee of the Department.."Not only was it Comey's intention to prepare Fitzgerald for the coming assault on his legally mandated plenary authority by vesting him with complete autonomous rule, but the GAO, through their approval of "permanent indefinite appropriations" to perpetually fund Fitzgerald's office, at the request of the Justice Department, has made a strong legal argument, in Decision B-302582, that Fitzgerald has all of the protections and authority normally granted to an independent prosecutor under the expired independent counsel law....That sounds like plenty of room to roam, to me. your response below appears to confuse the narrow scope of the Libby indictment with the full range of authority of his office.
This seems directly contradicted by the Comey clarification and GAO assessment referred to above.
Agreed– on both counts!
Bob in HI
according to juror number 10
Scootie is a real nice guy. Judy Miller said he looked real cute in a cowboy hat and he’s jsut to nice to go to jail.
Gotta make Scootie the victim so when he’s let off it;s the right thing to do
Irving is a criminal
I posted this earlier today but it fits as one of Irving’s legacies.
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/U…..82007.html
and twolf1 just posted a link 2 threads back that the Pentagon mysteriously lost one of Padilla’s interrogation tapes…..
> She also seems fairly close to Wells, and any
> decent defense attny (especially in a case as
> weak as this) is going to try to talk plea
> options before risking a full-blown trial.
> Libby saying no to a plea–that is perhaps a get
> out of jail free option, would for any spouse,
> be felt as a choice between her and Darth
> Vader. He didn’t choose her and her kids.
It isn’t that easy though, and she has to know that. Irving Libby faces a real (not classroom) and very difficult problem in game theory. If he talks to Fitzgerald the entire Cheney, Bush, and Radical machines will turn on him and bleep him like he’s never been bleeped before (to use Rove’s words). And he better than anyone knows what that means.
But if he doesn’t talk to Fitzgerald, maybe he gets acquitted. Maybe not. If convicted, maybe he gets a pardon. Maybe not. Then there is the question of whether or not his patron, Cheney, will still be in office during pardon season in 2009 (real wildcard there). Would VP Rice care about getting Irving out of the pen? How about a Bush family retainer put in the VP slot to salvage whatever was left of the Bush family legacy?
Very difficult and complex questions. And I strongly suspect that Libby did not tell (and still isn’t telling) Wells everything – meaning Libby has no honest source of advice. Nor can he tell his wife everything – Fitzgerald is known for going after family members to squeeze key players.
Quite a puzzle.
Cranky
Yes, indeed.
OK, my daughter works for one of the biggest media shops in Austin and gets tickets for everything. I am going after Jane show tickets. If we can’t have a dog meetup, I will just start stalking . . .
Jane – “I was sitting right behind her, in front of Milbank. -snip- if she said that, I certainly didn’t hear her.”
Thanks for answering my question, Jane. (and, for all your hard work, and your vision, insight, good humor, talent and class.)
I can’t shake the feeling Scooter plays games and compartmentalizes his life. He’s a phony through and through: good old Scooter hammering shots in cowboy bars; tough neocon ; toady propping up Cheney’s leg; good sport with good over-40 tag football arm, etc.
Cranky Observer @ 33
I don’t think prosecutor can force a spouse to testify against a spouse. If anyone knows the whole entire story, it is Harriet. If he were my husband, I would’ve forced him to come clean, else I would be mia at the trial. And her being a lawyer, she would know how to question him.
Jane, Go Baby,
This is a time when Dick Cheney will tilt his head when someone comes up with some idea about using FDL for his new purposes.
His machine’s willingness to attack and seek to corrupt journalists, the Department of Justice, Congress and the entire Executive Branch is on par with the worst of history.
It is going to take many smart people with well developed ethical standards to do battle. We will have to overlook human failings of those who faltered when the laser beam tilted and turned on them.
This is a scary group which will insanely destroy even as little people band together to stand in the way.
“Scooter is a nice man” is just another part of the “feel sorry for Scooter so we can pardon him” campaign. The nice men I know don’t compromise the identities of CIA agents and then lie about it in front of a grand jury. And then there’s The Apprentice. Yecch. I know it’s only fiction, but you’ve gotta wonder if some of that crap comes from his own fantasies. Not a happy thought.
I’m not buying this “we should let him off because he’s the only one being punished” argument. The proper remedy for that is to investigate further, via Congress, to see if we can’t give Scooter some company in da Big House.
Cranky: I agree. I am CERTAIN that Libby has not told Wells everything. If he had, Wells would’ve been hamstrung, since as an officer of the court he cannot perjure himself. As strange kabuki relationship often at play in client-atty relationships. IANAL, so I am sure defense atty’s can shed more light on this type of relationship/
Maybe we could sum this up with a bumper sticker:
“Nice guys don’t start wars.”
Jay Rosen is correct and kudos to you all.
I am so grateful for the day I started lurking here.
I am glad that you will be interviewed by Dan Rather– he’s a major part of our past and together you can illuminate our present and future!
Everything Bush and Cheney and Rove have touched has melted in their sweaty, fat palms.
They are collosal human failures who have all the power in the world at their hands to continue perpetrating their frauds.
Look who is about to get destroyed once again by flunkies and functionaries in the party that he has steadfastly sworn obedience to.
McCain to get swiftboated.
-GSD
Dan Rather!!!
Jane Hamsher!!!
South by Southwest!!!
Jane, is there any chance you would like to participate in a Plame panel at the 59th Annual Conference on World Affairs at CU Boulder, April 9-13, 2007?
I’m sure all of the local FDL fans would turn out for that . . .
As long as they’re netroots, you should be fine.
It’s a D.C. jury and, starved for information about the trial they were just on, they are probably reading the Washington Post and watching tv voraciously. Their pronouncements about Libby can only get worse.
That said, it’s not as important about what else they’ve said: Where’s Rove, and the rest of them?
This case is now in the political arena and they’re adding legitimacy to pursuing it further there.
Ha-ha — way to fact-check Dana Milbank, Jane!!
“young member of Libby’s defense team” = COMSTOCK
Hahahahahaha!
bloggers rule
Oh thank you TRex. I was just rummaging in my closet (no, not that closet) looking for proper footwear just in case I get to meet up with the fabulous Jane. I have no Jimmy Choo’s nor any Manolos. What am I going to do??!!!
The Republicans can have their Rod Majors. We’ll take this Brazillian woman protesting George W. Bush any day.
-GSD
Do you suppose she meant Shooter, Chimpy, and Unca Karl? Or the goddamn liberal netroots who ruined everything?
Me?
I could care less ‘what a good man Scooter Libby is…’ or isn’t. I’m all about the rule of law.
Which is why I wrote my post: ‘A Modest Proposal for the disposition of the Libby verdict.’
Gnome de Plume @ 48
Wear whatever feels best. Jane is a lot more mellow about these things than you think. I can only think that Jane would want you to wear your absolute favorite outfit to the meet and greet and if that’s your pajamas, a bathrobe, and bunny slippers, then more power to ya.
I was intimidated about meeting her at first, too. But she’s really a kind, patient Firedog. She just doesn’t suffer fools gladly.
TRex @ 50
Well, since Wells called Libby a fall guy, and she loves Wells, then my sense it is the former.
angie @ 42
I’ll be interested to know if he has any thoughts about our grassroots efforts to fight back against the kind of bogus “scandal” that took him down. We’ve learned so much about pushing back, and there are so many events that might have been different if we’d known sooner how to do a lot of this, and if we’d known just how evil Rove and his minions are. (The Bush Administration is always worse than you imagine, even if you take this rule into account.)
> Do you suppose she meant Shooter, Chimpy, and
> Unca Karl? Or the goddamn liberal netroots who
> ruined everything?
Keeping in mind that there is controversy over what if anything she said, if she did say this I would assume the latter interpretation: liberals, Democrats, bloggers, and Fitzgerald. It is human nature to crawl back to the tribe when wounded and rage against the Other, even it it was your own tribal leader who ordered you on a suicide mission. No difference here.
Cranky
South America—No likey Bush.
-GSD
Jay Rosen . . . wow.
Stand tall, Jane. You’ve put together quite a place here.
Really great point about “good ol’ scootski.” We’re hearing all of this fall guy, sympathy stuff–that’s cutting edge journalism for ya–but what is needed is a breakdown of who he really is and what he’s done over the years. “This is Irving Libby, convicted felon.” You make the point, JH, but there’s still work to be done.
Which gets me to Rosen. All well deserved, dead on, but it raises the question: what’s next? Rosen articulates clearly how FDL transcended assumptions and expectations by putting “boots on the ground,” keeping sustained effort and focus and, well, just about everything any of us could ask for.
I’m guessing that the Waxman hearing is the next opportunity, since it’s still part of the same thread, but I don’t see yet how it will take shape. Obviously you guys must be in the midst of working that out, but it seems like the bar will be set a little bit higher in terms of competition from the MSM. But judging from the way the news appeared instantly here and got immediate reaction and discussion, and the way that it is meandering its way ever so slowly into the MSM, it’s another big piece of fruit hanging surprisingly low to the ground.
Some worthwhile reading from Larry Johnson:
http://noquarter.typepad.com/m…..es_to.html
For additional information, please click on this link as well:
http://www.thewashingtonnote.c…..001994.php
What the hell is Obey’s problem? If he feels like we don’t know the freaking facts, then maybe he should be making an effort to make himself clearer. Those “idiot liberals” just happen to be 80% of the American population.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 59
Daddy Bush protecting his old stomping grounds? All out war between Bush the older and Cheney the imposter Daddy? Pach, what think you?
Jane writes: I don’t know how this image of “cute little Scooter” got started
Maybe folks referring to him as a “reprehensible little man”, or words to that effect? I’ll bet that in the world of the neocons, that’s a term of endearment.
Have you ever heard of a con man who wasn’t likeable?
jim oconnor @ 63
Not any good ones, that’s for sure.
TRex, never fear. I only have one pair of spikey heeled shoes, and they only get worn to formal high roller impress-the-superficial occasions. But now that you mention bunny slippers, you give me an idea . . .
I guess what I’m saying is that this is the time when we’re no longer on deck; we’re up. To make a mistake, a misstep, a whiffffff……. or worse.
I cannot believe how ruthless these people are.
Who wrote that thing from Hill Street Blues?
Be careful out there.
Do I have it right?
Stephen Parrish, CPA @
59
Gates rightly sees that axis as leading the nation on a path to more ruin.
Both Cambone and Boykin should be sitting in a think tank somewhere sharing petit fours will Bill Kristol.
-GSD
Gnome de Plume @
48
I’m wearing a suit from H&M that cost about $80 so I wouldn’t worry about pricetags.
Cujo359 @ 62
I like the term “degenerate” and I feel that it is an underutilized insult. Just a thought.
Gnome de Plume @ 65
Utterly OT even to this OT, but I got GoodMrsPuma a pair of Freudian Slippers for her birthday a couple of years ago. She says they’re very comfy, and the little soft plush busts of Unca Sigmund are always good for a chuckle.
zhiv @ 58
I agree.
Even though there is hope that the hearing will be on C-span, not everyone will be able to watch. Live-bloging would help those who want to be informed and know that they won’t be by the MSM. Complete coverage will be really important if we want to stop the inevitable spin that will appear after Valerie Plame and Fitz speak. Like it did in the Libby Trial, it will give us tangible trail to refer back to. A way to witness what really happened so that we can quash the lies that will be blasted out there. Very Very important.
a good analogy would be to compare him to one of hitler’s boys like Speer. He tried to do good for germany as he designed death camps.
we should look hard at how he is being labeled a scapegoat, and how people feel sorry for him. if this investigation doesn’t go forth in congress about the conspiracy to destroy the CIA’s middle eastern intelligence gathering, then something is seriously wrong.
Larry Johnson is infinitely qualified to lead the way on this matter
http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/
All I know is Irving is as good as Guilty!
It’s no coincidence Hollywood paints a smile on every monster.
Re Matthew Waxman, wasn’t there also a Navy lawyer that spent all his time arguing against unconstitutional actions in 2002-2003 plus?
Every word of Jay Rosen’s piece was true and richly deserved.
TRex at 60. Obey’s very smart very competent. I worked on his 69 campaign and have been following his career ever since (although it is difficult to get timely updates now that I live in CA) Judge him by what he’s done and said since 1969, not just this one instance, remember that he comes from rural Northern Wisconsin, not normally known as a liberal strong hold. (He replaced Melvin Laird when he became Nixons’ Sec. of Defense)
Where I grew up the motto “never pay retail” was part of the pledge of allegience as I recall. So good on you Jane. I was really just funning about the wardrobe stuff. Right now the wardrobe issue is more of a weather one. We are heating up so in the afternoons that summerwear is calling. Will your schedule permit a gathering of firepups?
Libby belonged to the White House Iraq Study Group, as far as I know. No Mr. Nice Guy here.
One question: one thing I have not understood: how exactly did Plame’s identity end up with VP?
That Jay Rosen piece should be reprinted on the front pages of the NYT and ComPost with a heading: “He’s right – we stuffed it”
never pay retail
That kind of says it all.
Scooter always reminded me of and evil garden gnome, with smirk on his face and blank stare in his eye.
*xyz @ 69
“Devolved”, while overused, is applicable as well, and doesn’t have the sexual overtones of “degenerate”. Libby is a horrible human being in ways having nothing to do with sexuality. Still, for a truly personal perspective on Libby, something like “reprehensible” or “contemptible” sums it up pretty well for me.
2strange @ 76
“Idiot liberals” is a pure partisan slam, and it provides its own context quite well, thank you very much.
Gnome de Plume @ 77
My Dad, who grew up in a Jewish family in NY (and thus was subject to the same mantra), after he made some serious money said that he now ALWAYS paid retail, that way there was a warranty and you could take it back if it didn’t work. He may have a had a point.
Back on topic, I think that FDL has established a new model and a new standard for journalism in which talented people report but are backed up by thousands of lurking fact checkers who while cheering them on also are intolerant of any factual error. And facts have a liberal bias.
Also the collective expertise of the FDL community is amazing. I watch as almost any reasonable question in a comment is answered authoritatively, with links, within minutes. This is a hard group to fool.
ot – my apologies if this belongs in another thread, (i’m still kinda new here), but thought this was worth sharing.
i decided to support bill richardson a couple of months ago & got on his mailing list. he sent out a good one today. (ya i know he’s not perfect)
Dear —-
We should be ashamed. When our government sends our military men and women to war, we enter into a covenant to provide care for the injured and protection for those in harm’s way. Our soldiers have been sent into a war we cannot win with insufficient equipment; and now, when they return wounded in the line of duty, our government has failed to provide the quality care our service people deserve. Our government has broken the covenant, and shamefully failed our troops.
I am tired of being ashamed of the failings of this Administration. Our veterans need help now. I will not wait for this Administration to do right thing. I will not wait for Congress to hold their hearings and assess blame. I am taking action. And I am asking you to do the same.
Call on your state’s Governor to join me in finding state funding for the care our returning soldiers deserve, but our federal government seems unwilling or unable to provide.
This week I asked the New Mexico Legislature to increase the state funding for services for the 180,000 veterans here in my state. We will:
* Fund $1.65 million in facility upgrades at state-run veterans’ centers.
* Add $650,000 to the Telehealth program, increasing access to veterans unable to get care at a local center.
* Pass funding for additional veterans’ services officers.
* Double the budget for training therapists in effective treatments for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
* Add a new primary care clinic to the new nursing facility being built at Fort Bayard in Silver City.
* Convene a task force to better coordinate all of these services.
I’m not sure what is more outrageous-the conditions at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center or the anemic response by President Bush. Regardless, our military men and women need proper care immediately. And if we can’t count on the federal government to meet its responsibilities to our service people, we must turn to the states. If we can do it in New Mexico, we can do it across the county. It is time to stop waiting and start getting things done. Contact your Governor now.
Sincerely,
Bill Richardson
One aspect of the Scooter Libby pardon activism that’s taking place is the continual bleating of the phrase ‘no underlying crime was charged’.
Doesn’t anyone else find this kind of puzzling? Not from the conservative activists, of course they’ll say anything to mitigate Scooter’s behavior. But the press seems to have largely failed to notice one of the really glaring hypocrisies here.
There was no underlying crime in the Clinton fiasco. The alleged perjury itself was the crime. Obviously, the underlying action, oral sex outside of one’s marriage was something conservatives frowned upon, but few of them would suggest that that a criminal charge be brought upon that basis alone.
But in Scooter’s case there clearly was an underlying crime being investigated. An undercover CIA agent’s identity was exposed in the media by people legally and bindingly pledged not to do so.
Shouldn’t perjury by an SAO on a material matter during a criminal investigation regarding the betrayal of a CIA NOC’s status be judged as far more damaging to the legal system and our national security than alleged perjury regarding an immaterial matter in a civil suit?
It doesn’t seem like it should be too complicated an analysis to present, even in today’s soundbite news milieu:
Clinton’s obfuscations had nothing at all to do with an underlying crime but were to conceal a personally embarrassing sexual affair; Libby’s obfuscations were designed to conceal — and have so far effectively concealed — the details in a criminal matter affecting national security.
Why are Libby’s pardon advocates being allowed to so frequently conceal that distinction with the hypocritical “no underlying crime *was charged*” mantra? It just doesn’t make any sense.
.
And facts have a liberal bias!!!
Quote that.
I hope the donations zoomed to the top, it would show the most appreciation.
JGabriel says
Sometimes they blow that talking point like John Fund did yesterday on Hardball…
“There was no underlying crime”
Huh?
Woodhall Hollow:
Hmm. Dunno.
This is such a crew of corkscrews, my first reaction is to become suspicious of a noew off books outbreak elsewhere.
Devolution, it gives me no satisfaction.
-GSD
JGabriel @
86
Oh, come on. We know the underlying crime WAS the blow job. It was a dirty, evil crime and needed to be punished.
-GSD
HuffPo has a big splashy banner that says the Dems may all boycott the Fox debate. Heh. I think they should, but televise the empty stage on Fox anyway. Brit Hume can moderate. He can just ask loaded, baiting questions to the air.
Or maybe the candidates could just send their personal assistants to say, “No comment” over and over and over.
GSD @ 92
JGabriel @
86
Especially if a Democrat does it. I mean, come on. At least when Republicans do blow jobs, it may lead to Republican intercourse and Republican offspring. I think what I’m saying is, basically, that it’s a eugenics thing.
Jane, you are a true patriot. I remember hearing Dan Rather during the run-up to the attack on Iraq and IIRC, he was at least a bit of a cheerleader for it in his reporting. I was against the war from the beginning and I was hoping that the warships in the Gulf would turn around and go home. I guess I was intuitive enough and I was listening to NPR reports about inspections and Hans Blix’s frustrations. I wonder if you recall any of Rather’s reporting around that period. I know later the RW smeared him with the TANG story which was all true except for one questionable document.
You, OTOH, are really great in all you do.
TRex @ 93
Fux Faux Fox.
Maybe Al Capone’s heirs ought to apply for a posthumous pardon, to clear his name. The “underlying crime” of conspiracy to commit multiple murders was never charged, after all.
Emptywheel,
Any word on getting to be there with Waxman and Fitzgerald next Friday yet? Is Valerie next Friday too?
What a fabulous article about FDL’s trial coverage! Kudos and thanks to everyone involved — once again. This could be the start of something really, really big.
Jane Hamsher @ 17
Ooooh you caught Dana Milbank sucking up!
Why qualify the statement at all but to use “young” can only be sucking up. Bet he also told her that no one would notice her roots needed touching up!
And Jane, don’t blush. You and all the others deserve every accolade you’ve earned!
TRex @
93
and a kumbaya soundtrack.
Looks like Pistol Pete Domenici is concerned about his role in the Attorney General Serial Slaying scandal.
“Mr. Domenici, for his part, is taking the scandal seriously and has hired a lawyer: Lee Blalack, who recently represented former congressman Randy ‘Duke’ Cunningham (R-CA), who is now serving time in prison for bribery and other offenses. He’s also issued a statement that does little to deflect the charges against him.”
I mean Mr. Blalack worked wonders for The Dukestir.
-GSD
Pach, did you you see that the Mayans are going to do a cleansing ritual after Bush visits one of their sites in Guatemala? (I saw it when I went to look at the Huffington banner.) Can the Incans be far behind?
Chris Bowers says
Harry Reid Moves Away From Fox
In addition to distancing himself from the FOX decision Thursday — “I don’t like FOX News” — the Senate Majority Leader reiterated several times that the Nevada Democratic Party is independent and not controlled by him, at one point going so far as to say “I just don’t know what’s going on in the party.”
Pachacutec @ 90
They make the Addams Family look like the Nelsons.
Looks like Bill Richardson just pulled out of the Nevada Fox debate.
Old Roger Ailes may have really stepped on his pud with his latest salvo.
Let’s do to Fox what wingers have done to the rest of the media.
-GSD
Gnome de Plume @ 103
Ah, the Maya. Now they knew how to run a war. The king was on the front lines, and if he screwed it up, he was liable to get sacrificed by the enemy’s king. Those were the days.
Terry Olson @ 98
Next Friday is just Valerie, AFAIK. According to reports, Fitz has been invited for a chat–don’t know whether he accepted, but I suspec the chat is off the record.
I’m working on going–provided I’m sure I can get in and provided I can make it worthwhile with a few more other things.
Rosen should say what’s really on his mind…
BTW, are we still defraying PlameHouse expenses ($0.07), or are we back to exact bucks?
Going back to DC, Marcy?
Republican hypocrisy is incredible. It was okay for Newt Gingrich to persecute Clinton for having had an affair…while Newt himself was having an affair. If the Clinton White House had outed a spy this way, the wingnuts would have called for the heads of Bill, Hillary, and Al. Probably Tipper’s head, too.
But anything Big Dick and Little George do is a-okay with the wingnuts, so obviously Valerie Plame wasn’t really even working for her country but was in fact some kind of anti-American agent. Ditto her ambassador husband. Therefore, who cares if she got outed through the Republican media-control machine?
Scooter Libby is not a nice guy or a fall guy. He’s a hatchet man. He deliberately put a woman’s life at risk, along with the lives of people she had worked with. As far as I’m concerned, it’s treason. Since when do the right-wingers love traitors?
Cheney (and the cloud) the subject on Charlie Rose tonight, w/Michael Duffy, Thomas DeFrank, and Todd Purdum.
Blue Dido @ 110
According to Robert Alterman, authoritarian wingnuts are big on law and order, except when it come to their own leaders. Its kind of like the Greek gods; they didn’t have to follow rules written for mere mortals.
From the Concerned Women for America website:
It is really a very stupid news release.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 111
I am bone tired of Charlie Rose and Thomas DeFrank.
GSD @ 102
I find it hilarious how Republicans accused of corruption or other law-breaking always end up with either Democratic lawyers, or with Republican lawyers best known for losing corruption cases.
The irony is striking (in both senses).
Millineryman @ 103
I take these protestations with a bit of salt. Here’s a picture of that bit of salt, by the way. Reid is his state’s U.S. Senator, and the Majority Leader. He’s also supposed to be very well connected in his own state. Does anyone think for a moment that this would be happening if he hadn’t approved it, or at least willfully ignored it until now?
Gnome de Plume @ 103
There ought to be cleansing rituals at every place Bush, Cheney, Rove, and their ilk appear. If nothing else, stagings of cleansing rituals by activists or guerrilla theatre groups.
No blushing necessary, Jane.
No one could have done a better job than the FDL/Talkleft crew.
We are all indebted to you.
“Gnome de Plume @ 103
“This town needs an enema!”
Woodhall Hollow @
114
The studio needs to be Febrezed after their appearances to get rid of the smell of stale cocktail weenies and Boones Farm wine.
-GSD
Wasn’t it the Mayans who played futbol with human heads?
Actually, you can consider my participaion in politics to be a sort of Inca cleansing ritual.
Heh.
That’s basically the point of my “bio” on this site.
AZ Matt @ 113
Yes, it is; both in its own right and because Coulter has in no way denied the word that actually came out of her frothing maw.
Or was it Rugby?
Gnome de Plume @ 121
So I’ve heard, but I don’t know how one would prove it on archaeological evidence. They did the ultraviolence thing on a lot smaller scale than the Aztecs in the first place.
Gnome de Plume @ 124
Croquet. Definitely croquet.
AZ Matt @ 113
‘Concerned Women for America’?
Shouldn’t that be ‘Concerned Wingnut Women of America’, in the interests of truth in advertising?
Assuming they really are in favor of truth?
P J Evans @ 127
They aren’t like the women ’round here, PJ.
Zell Miller: Abortion has shrunk our military, hurt social security, caused illegal immigration
Sparkles the Iguana @ 111
That should be interesting. DeFrank seems to have some of the best inside sources around, yet has mostly avoided becoming a typical “access journalist” parrot. I’ve read (in Froomkin) that it’s because some of his sources are from the Bush I pragmatists, who are really embarrassed by Junior’s reign.
Again, should be interesting.
twolf1 @ 129
Here we go again. I hate it when Zell elopes from the psych unit.
EvilDrPuma @ 125
Actually, I remember the rumor being that it was the Iroquois. But there is an older tradition–likely more accurate–that it was the anglo-saxons.
Woodhollow @ 114,
That makes as much sense as anything. It’s just that their specious logic boggles my mind. And even the Greek gods would criticize and punish each other for violating basic rules. Greek myth is full of stories in which the gods take punitive action against each other (usually using mortals as pawns, of course).
The wingnuts seem to think that since their intentions are “right,” everything else just naturally is right, too—they can do no wrong. And nobody is ever allowed to disagree or criticze them. Classic example: the pouty fit thrown by Dan Quayle when Lloyd Bentsen called him out on his claim to be like JFK: “I knew JFK, I served with JFK. You, sir, are no JFK.” Whining Dan said “that’s uncalled for.” He had just called for it (as Bentsen pointed out). They feel they can say anything and pay no consequences. Nobody else is even allowed to talk. A patriotic woman had to be put at risk because her husband spoke the truth about the administration’s lies, and now the hatchet man who put her at risk is a victim deserving the mercy of the very president on whose behalf he took the hatchet to her. Even on its loony surface, the whole thing makes no sense. I guess you have to check your brain cells at the door when you join the wingnuts.
GSD @ 120
Ah, then I take back my comment @ 130. I wasn’t aware that Rose and DeFrank had become an overexposed team.
New thread!
Woodhall Hollow @ 132
I’m not averse to the alternative possibility that it was nobody. Not on any widespread or regular basis, anyway. And I still don’t know how one would prove it.
CatelynK @ 117
Excellent idea.
EvilDrPuma @ 131
What? With Nurse Ratchett? lol
BTW Jack Cafferty just asked “who names their kid Newt?” and calls the latest Newt story a trainwreck.
twolf1 @ 129
Where is Buffy the Vampire Slayer when you need her?
Blue Dido @ 133
And remember the snit Condi got into with Boxer for “impugning her honesty” when Boxer read Condi’s own statements back to her?
No shit, Zell stepped off the set of “28 Days Later”
JGabriel @ 134
I was impressed with DeFrank for like the 1st 2 or 3 times I saw him. Then I realized that he was doing the same old schtick…he’s sort of a friendly Woodward type. Rose is beyond useless.
EvilDrP @ 128
Well, you notice that last question I put in. Not that I think any of them are seriously into truth in anything, including advertising. They couldn’t otherwise make those fortunes they plan to leave to their kids.
ccmask @ 135
how do you get to the new thread? Home doesn’t work.
Aerosmith, not Arrowsmith, though it’s probably too late, everyone’s already moved on ;0)
carmen @ 143
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..e-conason/
DeLay is becoming a commentator for CNN. Another good reason to hit the blogs for reliable information.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..43047.html
EvilDrPuma @
83
I grew up in Wisconsin, and I’m with 2Strange on this one. Relax. Cut Obey some slack. He’s on our side most of the time.
We spend too much time eating our own.
Bob in HI
Bionic @ 138
The day this becomes reality on my tv is the day CNN gets deleted from my channel lineup.
GSD @ 120
Oh God….I haven’t laughed that hard since the verdict! And by that, I mean the Jeffrey Dahmer verdict.
Bob Schacht @147 says we should stop eating our own. Well, Bob: Tell it to Obey. Naturally, he’s frustrated. The video here is more than a little bit of an ambush, so he wasn’t prepped. But still: Isn’t it interesting how DC Democrats have adopted the right-wing’s definition of ‘liberal’ now?
twolf1 @ 129
Birth those unwanted babies so they can be cannon fodder….amen to that!
Let’s start a federal program to implant all the frozen embryos sitting unused in clinics across the U.S., and immediately conscript them into an embryonic army.
Gnome de Plume @ 121
polo
Regarding Obey – I live in N. Wisconsin (Superior, WI), and can tell you that this area IS known as a liberal strong-hold. Douglas, Bayfield, Iron and Ashland counties have voted overwhelmingly Democratic for the past 100 years. Hell, we voted for Stevenson, Mondale, AND Teddy Roosevelt when he ran under the Bull Moose party. We may not be as populated as Dane County, but we’re more Blue by far. Lots of union support up here, and we’ve sent Frank Boyle to the Assembly for the past 20 years.
There really is no excuse for Obey’s behavior, and he’s soon to get a few constituent calls.
Sparkles the Iguana @
152
Clone Wars anyone?
-GSD
Jane -
I read this post and was struck again by what a wonderful way you have of writing. You have given me a clear and concise understanding on several facets of this issue.
The truth is an invaluable part of our national dialogue, and you have supplied me with strength in my local share of that dialogue through your comitment and and knowledge.
Thank you once again !
emptywheel @
108
Since the Waxman hearings may be televised, perhaps Team FDL might change its coverage? For example, maybe focus more on interpretation and background for each chunk of testimony, because “liveblogging” won’t be needed? Unless, of course, Team FDL becomes insta-pundits, providing almost-live commentary on the proceedings?
Bob in HI
Zell Miller: Abortion has shrunk our military, hurt social security, caused illegal immigration
Of for fucks sake, why does anyone listen to mad as hell Zell? The man obviously isn’t right in the head.
emptywheel @ 108
Marcy That is such great news knowing you will be there to report the truth is so important. Do we need to take up a collection to help with the costs?
Woodhall Hollow @
132
You guys have the timing all upside down. The Iroquois were late-comers. The Aztecs were in charge when the Spaniards came to town. The Maya were earlier, and already in decline when the Aztec empire-building began. But the Mayans may have borrowed their worst from the Olmec.
Bob in HI
“Although the Vice-President’s office is not part of the military chain of command, last September Addington summoned Waxman to his office and berated him.”
Bingo. General Dick Cheney using all that free time from those 5 deferments to catch up on the proper treatment of military prisoners, no doubt.
Bob Woodward, yo…you want any of this?
Just read Jay Rosen-you guys rock, and you deserve the Kudos
tbsa @
158
hahahahahaha and jesusmaryandjoseph plus a wtf
.
Elliott @ 151
Legend has it that the Anglo-Saxons played a soccer-like game kicking around Danish human skulls.
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Raymond ShawScooter Libby is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.”That’s how I heard it anyways.
Gnome de Plume @ 121
I thought it was some early version of basketball (netless hoops – well, there wasn’t a Net then)?
P J Evans @ 163
Various incarnations of Lacross was played across North America before the European invasion.
They’re in TOTAL MELTDOWN over at Pattycakes’ Place
Hysterically funny reading.
lolo @
159
How much do you need?
You’re barking up the wrong tree with Obey.
David Obey is no compromiser. He’s one of the few that’s battled fiercely against Bush. He knows the institution inside and out, but has been one of the few to call the Repugs on their bullsh!t in a confrontational manner. He hasn’t rolled over, nor will he.
Obey’s as frustrated as anybody. He also scored some points in that exchange, and had every right to get angry. There’s nothing he can do: he doesn’t have the votes. SO, why aren’t YOU putting the squeeze on somebody that DOES disagree with you?? GET Obey THE VOTES. Obey already agrees with you.
Howie Klein’s Abramoff smear is damn cheap: you could take any delegation in the country and do the same thing. Obey’s got several reservations in his district–that he’s getting money from tribes is no surprise. Ron Kind is also one of the good guys. Paul Ryan is a slimeball; Petri the man who isn’t there. Throwing the four together is like saying dogs ARE cats. It’s nonsense, and Howie needs to do his homework.
Working as a team, in concert with Obey would be a bright idea. Pressure Dem Senators that won’t for for David Obey’s legislation. There can’t be that many of them.
One thing’s sure: David Obey’s the polar opposite of Joe Lieberman and his ilk. He’s also far and away better and more liberal than Pelosi, Schumer, Reid, Emmanuel, and the full slate of compromising, centrist, DLC Dems. He’s pragmatic, but not a compromiser on these types of issues.
What’s revealing about this to me is how ineffectual Howie is at running a pressure campaign to get legislation HE wants to see up for a vote–OR swing opponents onto your side. Badgering one of your biggest allies isn’t just counterproductive–he lets his real opponents off the hook, AND burns an opportunity to work with Appropriations to fund adequate VA/medical assistance for vets, etc.
Which would take the ’support the troops’ meme away from the Repugs and allow the Dems to OWN it for good.
Crazy to ask the Dems to de-fund the troops–it’s asking them to commit political suicide. Notice that what Obey said is far more straightforward than anything you hear out of DC insiders: just vote to end the war. No games.
GET Obey the votes he NEEDS–and I’m sure he’ll be a lot friendlier. He’s frustrated for the same reason you are.
But Howie Klein is obligated to apologize for the Abrahamoff smear. It makes him look like a real slimeball. Ryan/Petri are POLAR OPPOSITES from Obey/Kind. Is Klein that ill-informed? That lacking in integrity? That bankrupt in knowing the diff btw right-wing and left-wing? Between DeLay & Obey?
If anyone reading this never knew who David Obey was before this–and apparently some don’t–well, it’s just a measure of how slow to get up to speed on political reality people can be, and how poorly informed.
It’s great to hear people finally talking about the fact that Scooter Libby is a bad, bad man. For a while now I’ve been talking about the fact that he is one of the architects of the neocon movement and co-authored the draft of the ‘Defense Planning Guidance’ with Paul Wolfowitz for then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney in 1992. He was a founding member of PNAC! Which, of course, is the reason we attacked Iraq after 9/11 instead of going after the real perpetrators.
He’s not an unlucky minnow caught up in the net being cast for the big fish. He, along with Dick Cheney, had an overriding interest in our attacking Iraq, and was not about to let anyone or anything stop it.
But, luckily for us, Zell Miller has the solution! I say we put him at the head of a mighty Blastocyst-American army and send him on over to kick some serious terrorist ass. The insurgents will be so unmanned at the sight that they will immediately drop their weapons in shame.
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
woodhall @6
wish i would have been here earlier
(((((((((woodhall)))))))))))))
am just now catching up on threads.
oh my…………
((((((((((woodhall)))))))))))))))
no words…..except been there done that, shows what a good wife you were……my former husband rode on my good graces, everyone thought he was such a good guy ‘cuz of me, how could she be married to a monster? he must be what he seems……nope……
he’s gone…..and when i’m having a bad day, someone reminds me that he is no longer a part of the mix…….and i feel so goooooood….
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EPU’d
Bob @ 30 – you are catching me at a weak moment, bc I posted all this info for someone else here a few days back and just had a frustrating time trying to find it, and couldn’t.
But here’s the way it works. It doesn’t matter who said what about Fitzgerald’s “powers” in this or that article, bc the matter was specifically addressed by the Special Prosecutor and the Court. It is the subject of an unappealed decision.
In connection with the detailed claims made by Libby as to why Fitzgerald’s appointment was an unconstitutional violation of the appointments clause, Fitzgerald himself argued (and I think those filings are on the Spec Counsel site but I’m too tired to go look for them yet again – I should probably have saved this info in a doc) that a)he could be removed “at will” (legal shorthand – any time, any cause, no cause), and b) his appointment was for a narrow investigation only and he could NOT expand it at whim.
Walton agreed. The law was pretty clear that a) Fitzgerald could be removed at will and b) his appointment was only for the exact matter Ashcroft recused from – the Plame leak only – and matters specifically related to violations of law connected with that investigation.
I think that this link should work for you – I had to go dig it up off pacer again.
https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/login.pl?494909544001295-L_186_0-1
p. 7 – Comey, as Dep AG, only had powers as “acting” AG with respect to the specific matter from which Ashcroft recused.
p. 19 – Spec Counsel (Fitzgerald) argument to the court is that he can be removed at will “in that the authoritiy delegated to him can be taken away at any time by the Deputy Attorney General.”
p. 22 – The court holds that the Spec Counsel does have limited (NOT PLENARY) jurisdiction and that “…Special Counsel’s jurisdiction is restricted to the investigation and prosecution of the alleged unauthorized disclosure of a CIA employee’s identity and any violations of federal law tha arise during the course of that investigation. The Special Counsel’s jurisdiction is therefore limited in scope to the exact matter from which the Attorney General has recused himself. “
[sorry to sound grouchy, but I’m a bad typist and hate having to retype and there’s no cut and paste option from the opinion]
p. 23 “As already discussed, the Special Counsel’s authority is limited to the investigation and prosecution of alleged violations of federal law relating to the possible unauthorized disclosure of specific classified information. … Accordingly, the Special Counsel cannot make any decisions that extend beyond his express jurisdiction.”
p. 26 (at top, again stating that he can only investigate and prosecute allege unauthorized disclosure of specific classified information and violations of law committed in the course of the investigation and also recognizing as axiomatic the power of the Deputy AG to remove or revoke authority.)
etc. – the court goes on to state it over and over, removable at will by the Dep. AG; jurisdiction and mandate very narrowly limited to the alleged unauthorized disclosure of the particular classified info about a CIA employee’s identity and crimes that are committed in connection with that investigation.
There is no mandate to investigate or press charges on the NIE and it so there has never been any “admission” that the NIE disclosure was authorized. There is no mandate to go into other things. Moreover, I think it was only a few weeks after the court determined of record and Fitzgerald agreed that his powers rested upon the delegation from the Dep AG which could be revoked at any time —- that Rove got the ok to walk.
Whew – maybe I’ll try to copy this one to keep.
Mary @
172
Well, if you didn’t, I did! Thanks for taking the time to provide the details. Your rationale at least could explain why Fitzgerald stopped where he did. Of course, if he were a less conservative prosecutor, he’d charge on ahead, essentially daring the Dep. AG to fire him. I still think that’s a battle that this administration would not want to fight at this time.
Fortunately, however, Waxman has stepped up to the plate.
Meanwhile, in honor of St. Paddy’s day, a chorus of “Johnny (Conyers), I hardly knew ya.” The raging bull of yesteryear has turned into a bleating lamb.
Bob in HI
tiny, delicate little Scooter… so cute, you could just slip him your pocket and carry him around with you…
too bad he’s the right arm of a war criminal and all…that part might make you sick to your stomach.
mulligatawny @
78
As I understand it there was a NY Times op-ed Joe Wilson wrote which dismissed the argument that Niger was selling uranium to Saddam Hussein and that V.P. Cheney (not to mention everyone in the White House) wanted to know who sent him to Niger. Supposedly, they first checked with the State Dept. since they understood Wilson had been a diplomat. But, they were referred to the CIA. Somebody at CIA told them he’d been recommended by his wife (Valerie Plame Wilson, who worked at an unsecret job at the agency).
I suppose it didn’t matter that the ambassador to Niger and a Colonel had also investigated the claim and dismissed it as well.
Anyway, the White House began saying it was a boondoggle (wasted money trip to some great place) and the CIA & Wilsons were Lefties out to get ‘em and all that kinda paranoid talk.
So, then they attacked Wilson and disclosed Valerie’s COVERT CLASSIFIED job (separate from her public unclassified work at the CIA).
So, why aren’t all those who disclosed classified information being prosecuted? Huh?
Enquiring minds want to know!
The fact that Cheney sent Libby out to gather info. on Joe Wilson and then personally sought out information from the CIA indicated this was more than just one more small detail in a very crowded agenda. It was a pretty big deal to them (as outing any covert Secret agent would be).
Isn’t subverting the activities of an agency like the CIA some kind of federal crime?
We know who did the disclosure: Rove, Fleischer, Armitage and Libby. What we don’t know is who ordered it. It’s suspected Cheney ordered Libby to do it. I don’t recall if there was specific evidence of that. But, what I’d like to know is who in the White House discussed this idea/plan (did that involve Bush or the WHIG, Rice, or others?) and who gave the go-ahead. Looks like an investigation is called for and Patrick Fitzgerald is the guy to do it. But, he seems reticent for some reason. Maybe Rep. Waxman can give him a push or a hand.
My thoughts, exactly, Jane, about Libby and this groundswell of symapthy for the “fall guy BS.
Great article about FDL you linked to! So well deserved.
… Somebody at CIA told them he’d been recommended by his wife…
Thanks, Mark, kept checking back here…Suppose then, the ‘recommendation’ part is true, but still different from “wife sent him on a junket”.
Just got here, so maybe someone else has noted this great article by Jay Rosen on FDL’s coverage of the Libby trial.
OOPS! Now I see it.
Rich @ 169 Exactly….This guy is amazing. His first campaign was incredibly grass-roots. There were ladies all over N. Wisc. typing mass campaign letters on non-correctible manual typewriters and Obey would sign each personally. I campaigned for him door to door in minus 20 degrees in a mini-skirt…Don’t do that any more…
Re: Rosen’s Rave Review of FDL: All of you at FDL are in the process of inventing a new journalism, and I hope you continue inventing. You go!
The world needs you.
Wonderful comments from Jay Rosen. Thanks for calling attention to them. There is much to be harvested from the experience (not just from the trial coverage itself), to be sure. You are pioneers! Onward and awkward!
“Arrowsmith?” Ooooh! You mean “Aerosmih!!” Yeah, the dad of Liv Tyler, Steve is the head guy there. Yeah, I’ve liked them since “Train kept a rollin’”
PBS Makes David Brooks’ “Lies” disappear. (I just sent this off to the News Hour. Read it and Weep.)
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I could not believe my ears when I heard Mr. Brooks say that Joe Wilson’s “lies” were what the White House “viciously overreacted” to. I really wish that either Judy or Mark had asked him to name one of those lies. I just re-read the famous Op-Ed piece Mr. Wilson wrote. Where are the lies?
Now I read the transcript of the broadcast and miraculously Mr. Brooks’ words have changed. He is reported to have said, “I think Joe Wilson started this all by making a series of sensational and now we know false charges.” Well, it’s the same thing, really, but now I can’t believe my eyes. Mr. Brooks clearly said “lies”, a much more inflammatory word than the softer phrase “false statements.” And, you can see the disconnect when Mark says, “I disagree that Joe Wilson lied.” He used the same word Mr. Brooks used – lie.
So, I have two questions for you. Why do you let David Brooks get away misrepresenting the case? What has he got on you guys that you can’t challenge such an obvious ‘false statement’? (That’s one question in two parts.) Second, why did you change his words? Again, what does Brooks have on The News Hour that they kow-tow to him so obviously?
Well, I know what the answer is. Brooks is the best the right wing can do. That’s really sad, isn’t it? Your former hero David Gergen has just said that the Bush administration was pretty much scandal-free until Scooter was convicted. These guys are drowning in denial.
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TRex @
60
80% of the American population. Where’s this?
twolf1 @
149
Could be short for Newton….not that I’d name my kid THAT either.
I got my money’s worth and look forward to supporting your next project. Great job. The politics TV spots were terrific and professional.
TRex @ 60
What I find remarkable about Obey is how straight he is with people. Why play games with funding and commit political suicide, when you can have a direct vote on getting out? And force the pro-war Reps on the record about an unpopular war???
Dave Obey has an apology up on his website, here:
http://tinyurl.com/26g4fd
“Monday, a group of people ..approached me as I was rushing to a meeting and we wound up having an argument.
“When they were arguing that I should vote against the legislation that I am sponsoring, they did not know that the proposal would in fact give the House its first opportunity in the four years of this misguided war to vote on a timeline for bringing it to a close.”
“I am sorry that I yelled at them. I respect their passion on the issue; I wish they would respect mine. We are both frustrated, and that led us to have an argument that we never should have had because we both want to see an end to U.S. involvement in that war. What divided us was the question of how.”
2strange @ 180
2strange:
Agreed. Dave Obey is as progressive as they get. Obey is the antithesis of Joe Lieberman.
Dave Obey is the ONLY Dem I EVER saw get good & angry on the floor of the House (or Sen) and call Repubs on their hypocrisy, dishonesty, or egregious unwillingness to play by the rules or put forth honest policy aimed at upholding that public good or the national interest. The only one.
A word about how Bush/Cheney’s antics plays in Northern Wisconsin: When Cheney shot his lawyer-pal in the face–Wisconsin Public Radio had a call-in show about the ‘humor’ of Leno, Letterman & other late-night talk show comics.
‘Cept the first caller was a rural, Repub, hunter who went off on Cheney. He was steamin.’ He said Cheney’s lying; isn’t a real hunter; doesn’t know hunting safety rules, or hunting ethics; Cheney isn’t one of us.
It went downhill from there. Remember, these were self-identified conservatives & Bush voters calling in, the hook-&-bullet crowed, angry as hell.
Dave Obey goes on Wisc Public Radio all the time–and speaks about progressive-as-you-can-get issues, year-in and year-out. He doesn’t triangulate or compromise those very ‘liberal’ values–and he wins elections. Handily. He doesn’t pull his punches. Both left and right respect that.
Dave Obey is the ONE GUY likely to come through for the anti-war crowd. Who knows how to do it. Who won’t ‘triangulate’ and who won’t screw over real liberals. The ONE guy: you can’t count on Biden or Hillary or Obama or Clark or even Kucinich. But Dave Obey is a different story.
Bernie Sanders & David Obey are never going to convince John Cornyn & Lindsey Graham to switch sides.
IoW, Obey already did what he could.
ON THE OTHER HAND, If YOU and Howie Klein here were to identify the handful of Congressmen vulnerable to constituent pressure, and start a campaign IN THEIR DISTRICTS, then there’d be a strong chance of success for Obey’s bill to pass.
THAT’s the kind of thing that would persuade a Rep who’s AFRAID a vote to end the war is a political risk. If his or her CONSTITUENTS demand a vote to end the war, they’ll begin to realize it’s political suicide to offer RNC talking points instead of ending an untenable situation for our troops.
Thanks rich and 2strange. I’m not from Wisconsin; (I do have a friend from Appleton, who graduated from UW as Steven’s Point – not in Obey’s district BTW; she’s in Kagen’s, which is the 8th.)
I’ve watched Obey on CSPAN more times than I can recall. I just find this entire episode is of that ‘barking up the wrong tree’ syndrome.