There's been a bit more in the Beltway press about the legendary "conservative Democrats" or "Democrats in red districts" who are allegedly afraid that — in a nation where 70% of Americans hate Bush and his war — daring to oppose Bush in any meaningful way (such as by backing Murtha's bill to make sure the troops are brought home and the damage done by Bush to their readiness is remedied) will doom them in the polls come 2008.
Now, assuming this is true — and since the WP article cited doesn't name names, it makes me wonder how much of this was invented in an attempt to play "let's you and him fight" — we have some options.
Education. Some reps oppose the war or are at least willing to listen to reason on it, but are understandably afraid of how the GOP/Media Complex will spin their efforts to end it. We can let them know that we have their back, and that we can counter media spin. We just stripped Ann Coulter of a bunch of her advertisers, and with only a few days of concerted effort ; if we can do that, we can work to counter the GOP/Media's efforts on this. Groups like the Rapid Response Network, MoveOn.org and others are useful for this.
We can also point out that their Republican counterparts are scared to death of even debating the war, much less voting on it. This was reinforced again by William Kristol in his latest Time.com piece, where he says the following: "Mitch McConnell's performance as Senate Republican leader has also–for the first time in a long while–given Republicans a congressional leader worth rooting for as he outmaneuvers the Democrats in their efforts to put Congress on record against Bush's Iraq policy." Kristol's tacitly admitted that the Republicans fear being put on record on Iraq as they fear nothing else. That should tell you something.
But if this doesn't work — say, if because your rep is a Blue Dog wedded to the corporatist concept of turning the Democrats into GOP Lite — then the best option (especially if the congressional district is bluish anyway) is to haul out the Big Gun:
Primary Challengers. Lieberman aside, we generally went easy on most Democrats last year because the goal at the time was to evict the GOP from its long-held leadership of Congress. And the Democratic hold on the Senate is still pretty fragile and narrow. But that doesn't mean that we can't remind these folks why we elected them in the first place.
Let's put together a list of Wary Waverers, ranking them in order of reachability and noting which are in districts that are likely to stay blue or to turn red should they lose a primary challenge. Then we can decide how best to target our efforts — and find strong candidates for strong runs. (All the money in the world won't help you if your candidate is a stinker.) Start naming names, districts, and good candidates to run (if you know of any). If we get started now, I think we can do pretty well.
Who knows — we might find the next Tim Walz or Jon Tester or John Yarmuth waiting in the wings. And even if the challenge "fails", most pols aren't as pigheaded as Lieberman — who is a special case in every meaning of the word. For one thing, Lieberman's a Senator, has a huge war chest, and doesn't have to run again for six years. Congresscritters come up for electoral target practice every two years. They know full well that while they might survive one primary challenge, they might not survive a second.
So whaddya say? Let' get crackin'!
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Blue Dogs Yellow Dogs
that blue dog won’t hunt
Step right up! Step right up!
To get the ball rolling, here’s a Blue Dog who voted to defund Clinton’s anti-genocide efforts in Kosovo, yet has backed Bush’s bogus Iraq war to the hilt: Collin Peterson!
This guy’s in a fairly conservative district, but a good Tim-Walz-type candidate could beat him and keep the seat Democratic.
sticky @ 1
Yeah, he’d rather suck eggs.
gonna hafta put that ol blue dog down…
I’m thinking Howie at Down With Tyranny could give you a list already made up.
Paging Howie to the white courtesy phone….
http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/
Bustednuckles @
6
Sounds like a plan!
Left the Waxman Committee list in EPU ville downstairs
For a list of the Blue Dog Conservative Democrats you can go to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B…..on_members
None from Washington State so there is little I can to sway them. But the rest of you – Go! Go! Go!
If they won’t change their position for the good of the nation then remember and vote them out!
List of Members of Waxman’s Committee
As far as I am concerned any candidate that votes to continue this illegal, insane war in Iraq will NEVER get my vote. I refuse to hold my nose and vote again. The dems in Congress better wake the hell up and they’d better do it soon.
tbsa @ 11
Then vote against them in the primary. Or run against them in the primary yourself — be the change you want to see, as the saying goes. (Or: “You have the power to take your country back”.)
Look at this Class II senators who are up for the 2008 elections. Look how many repubs compared to dems.
http://www.senate.gov/pagelayo…..ass_II.htm
EPU’d from last thread:
Unfortunately, not quite correct. If their testimony could subject them only to civil liability, then they couldn’t plead the Fifth. But all of these bozos could conceivably be charged with “the underlying crime” of violating the IIPA. They can claim the Fifth in any proceeding, criminal or civil, based on a good faith belief that their truthful testimony could subject them to prosecution. The fact that it would also protect them from subjecting themselves to potential civil liability is an unhappy by-product of such an assertion of the Fifth.
Unless they get either immunity or pardons for everything arising out of the Plame leak, they can indeed plead the Fifth before Waxman.
Cheney won’t want to do that, though. He will simply claim Unitary Executive Privilege.
Or lie. He’s good at that.
Phoenix Woman @ 12
I am a member of the Dem central committee in my county. I have registered hundreds of new voters, I have stood on street corners in protest with my fellows, I have written letters to the editor and called my reps numerous times, I have voted in every single election since I was able to vote. I didn’t vote for Feinstein because I am sick of her waffling on the war. I am doing everything I can possibly do already. Doesn’t seem to have done much good but at least I am not sitting on my hands bitching and not doing anything.
I’m hoping to have Diane Benson here at the lake in a few days – sometime this month, for sure – to make an announcement on this topic.
OT but I think I have now seen or read about Rudy dressing in drag about 4 times now. How many times has he done that, every chance he gets? Now how can conservativesa take a guy who likes to play dressup seriously as “tough on terrorists’? And Kerry got crap for dressing in hunting clothes, sheesh.
litigatormom @ 14
That is not inconsistant with my answer.Iwas not adressing the forum. The original question was directed at the answers. ANd the explaination I gave was quite correct. Regardless of the forum the 5th ammendment only applies to answers that will INCRIMINATE you.
ironranger @ 17
I know he did it an an Al Smith dinner once.
March 16 is going to be another “beef up the servers” day at FDL. I hope we’re ready for the traffic.
sofistic @
13
Yupper. See, the 2006 elections were supposed to be where the Republicans consolidated their hold on the Senate. They didn’t have to defend very many seats, whereas the Democrats did. And they got creamed. 2008 will be even worse, most likely.
Phoenix Woman @ 21
We’re counting on it. The question is will the repugs be in sorry enough shape that we can make it to the 60 mark? Doesn’t look likely, but winning 7 last Nov. was a real long shot and it happened.
Anything is possible.
Why are so many politicians so darned chicken?
Is being a Representative or Senator so darned wonderful that it’s always worth sacrificing all your principles in order to keep your job? Hell, I’ve been fired from jobs that pay a higher salary than they earn simply for wearing a hat.
Is being a politician such an anchor on your resume that you can’t get a job at McDonald’s after losing a re-election? “Sorry buddy, but when someone orders a burger they expect a burger, not a milkshake: given your record in Congress we can’t trust you to serve what’s ordered.”
Why not just get elected, stick to your principles, show some courage, and if you don’t manage to get re-elected, go find another job someplace?
I’d rather be an unemployed former Congressman with balls and integrity than an employed Congressman who’s a soulless, cowardly tool.
Maybe that’s why I’ll never hold elected office.
tbsa @
15
Feinstein seems like an odd duck — she backed the “patriot act” yet has a 78% from the ACLU? How’d she pull that off? I’d always heard of her being touted as this great liberal, yet it sure doesn’t look that way.
LHP, I don’t seem to be able to get your link to List of Members of Waxman’s Committee to work. Is anyone else having that same problem?
You know, as a fellow Minnesotan, I LOVE me some Tim Walz!
Anything you can do to get that man’s REAL plain talk into the public limelight is good by me.
He’s speaking on the 11th in downtown Mpls with Amy and Keith. Want info?
Attack of the Zombies:
http://www.investorshub.com/bo…..d=17720714
Best, Terry
I love this post: perfect tone, graphic and length. You’re teh cool, PW!
Albatross @ 23
Follow the money. Campaigns are so expensive nowadays (all that TV ad time) that the candidates feel that they must go hat in hand to the corporations — who then pressure them to be more like Republicans.
That’s why supporting the Clean Elections Campaign nationwide and locally is a good thing to do. None of your candidates able to win the money primary? Back Clean Elections and they’ll lower the price of entry.
Albatross @ 23
Speaking as someone who, briefly, was a candiate for office–it’s the fundraising and endorsement issue.
Unless you are personally wealthy enough to fund the “start up” of your campaign or unless you have a powerful mentor wisting arms for you, the fundraising process saps the confidenc eof even the hardiest souls.
Or, if you persevere without that kind of insider backing, you lose. Losing however, was one of the most character building experiences of my life.
It’s funny. No matter how often I was at the tp of my class, no matter how freaky my IQ scores, no matter what accomplishment I ever brought home, My mother always seemed a little disappointed in me. I was never quite good enough.
Until I lost this DA’s race. I didn’t let it crush me, and stuck to my guns and kept my integrity. My mother (whom I speak to regularly for regular stuff) made an appointment (like she needed to) to speak to me and did so to tellme how proud she was at the way I saw it through and never knuckled under.
That in losing the race on my terms I had made her prouder than if I own by playing it “smart”
So, to answer your question. Right now the system is skewed against integrity and toward insiders and lobbyists, so you get people who are willing to play that game
You can remain pure and unelected, or you can check your scruples at the door and get your fanny in the seat
Ann in AZ @ 25
It’s posted in full near the bottom of the last thread. No link actual names
johnSwifty @ 26
Oooh! Oooh! Yes!
He’s just been the busy bee, hasn’t he? He’s already won over the local papers in MN-01 with his work ethic.
Phoenix Woman @ 24
She made her nat’l stripes appearing in and taking over after the Harvey Milk/Mayer Moscone shooting… I think being forever linked to that event and San Francisco in general gives her the air of being more liberal than she really is. I’d vote for a real Dem in her place in an instant.
My AR Senators, Blanche Lincoln (D) and Mark Pryor (D-Liebermanesque)
Both of them have never responded to any of my letter about the war, ever. I do have a good relationship with staff in both offices.. but it clearly sounds like the Senators do not have ending the war in Iraq as a priority.
On Primary challenges – Mark Pryor is up for his first reelection in the Senate in ‘08. He is the worst of Democrats, self declared proud student of Lieberman. member of the gang of fourteen, who will end net neutrality, and womans choice in a heartbeat. He voted for the bankruptcy bill, to end habeas corpus, for torture, for cluster bombing civilians, for Alito cloture, etc. etc.
And Wes Clark just sent out emails supporting his reelection! (no more support for Clark from this firepup, period.)
Unfortunately nobody has stepped up to challange Pryor.
Our Party, State and Country deserves much more than this lousy excuse of a human being no matter what party he claims.
Blanche Lincoln is not up for reelection this time and she is somewhat better, although not much.
The Blue Dog Democrats seem to have two fundamental misunderstandings:
1. BDD’s seem to believe that the systemic risks of “Congressional micromanaging” this war outweigh the immediate risks of having this administration continue to manage the war on its own. Blue Dogs are right insofar as, in a perfect world, the Congress would do its job and the President do his. But this President has proven so fundamentally misguided that it’s now willful negligence to act as if this is a perfect world.
2. BDD’s also seem to believe that people, or politicians, should expect to be rewarded for doing the right thing. I don’t know how you get to the age of 30 without learning that no good deed goes unpunished; but just suck it up, dudes! We’ll withdraw from Iraq, and some elections will be lost as a result. I’d guess that possibl more will be won as a result, but suppose they aren’t. Forced retirement into lobbyisthood for 30 Congressfolk seems a tiny price to pay compared to forced death for thousands.
Phoenix Woman @ 32
I just love him. Anyone interested, if you want to see a real american, just type “Tim Walz” into youTube and watch the truth ring out. I hope he runs over DM&E like a racoon on interstate 94.
Anyway, this Sunday is serious international issues:
LHP: I checked it out by looking at properties. Too many http(s) and it needed a colon. Here’s the link:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-548363
It’s at #218 Victim Hell Scooter got off easy
johnSwifty @
36
Us Minnesota Firedoggies ought to get together for a beer sometime.
“The Land of 10,000 FireDogLakes”
Thank you Ann,
Not only can I not type, and not spell, I suck at technology.
Odd that I should end up at a blog
looseheadprop @ 38
Karma
OT: Via Salon.com
House Oversight Committee Chairman Henry Waxman announced today that he will hold a hearing on March 16 to determine whether “White House officials followed appropriate procedures for safeguarding” Plame’s identity. Among the witnesses he’d like to call: Patrick Fitzgerald. In a letter to Fitzgerald, Waxman invites the special counsel to meet with him and with ranking Republican member Tom Davis “to discuss the possibility of testifying before the committee and other means by which you can inform the committee about your views and the insights you obtained during the course of your investigation.”
Albatross @ 38
Absolutely! I’ve met Biodun and John Forde for lunch; both exceptionally cool people. Of course everyone at FDL is exceptionally cool.
I went back into the archives to figure out where I missed Phoenix Woman’s entry into the FDL pond and saw she started with a lovely picture of the North Shore on Hwy 61. That made me realize why I missed her. I was skiing with the kids in Lutsen that weekend and I can attest to the fact that 61 didn’t look ANYTHING nearly so charming. She wasn’t plowed between Tofte and Two Harbors and I white knuckled it all the way down. So, sorry I missed your entry PW, but it’s great to catch you NOW!
They must be reminded over and over that they were elected to do the people’s work, protect the constitution and not to assure their re-election.
Shame.
Phoenix Woman @
24
And she’s voted for the constitutional amendment to ban flag burning. Sadly, she’s bulletproof in California. I take solace in having Boxer – I think that puts California slightly behind Vermont in the overall quality of their Senators, which, by the way, might be an interesting exercise for those with time on their hands – How do the Senators from each state rank as far as progressive ideals?
We know Arizona’s near the bottom of the list…
Tweety says something right!
“Should what was impeachable for a liberal be pardonable for a conservative?”
RevDeb @ 45
Wow must have bumped his head this morning.
what go Waxman
just read his letter to Fitz
“NEW YORK Rep. Henry Waxman, House Oversight Committee chair, today announced that his committee will begin investigating the CIA leak matter with hearings starting possibly at the end of next week — with the woman at the center of the case, Valerie Plame, as a key witness.
In a letter to prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald, Waxman said the matter of whether the White House adequately tried to protect the identity of Plame remains unresolved. Waxman asked Fitzgerald to meet with him to discuss if and how he might testify.
It’s not clear if reporters, who played a huge part in the Libby trial, would have to testify again.
“The trial proceedings raise questions about whether senior White House officials, including the Vice President and Senior Advisor to the President Karl Rove, complied with the requirements governing the handling of classified information,” Waxman wrote to Fitzgerald. “They also raise questions about whether the White House took appropriate remedial action following the leak and whether the existing requirements are sufficient to protect against future leaks. Your perspective on these matters is important.” “
Mutant Poodle @ 44
And I honestly don’t know if there’s any truth to this but DiFi and her hubby seem to perpetually pop up in the far left wing blogs about war profiteering.
Phoenix Woman @ 24
Feinstein jumped on the fired prosecutors early on. She is my senator and she can be frustrating. There must be some “club rules” in the senate for people who have been there too long. I like the way Webb operates!
Ann in AZ @ 25
Yes
Terry Olson @ 50
Try this.
Waxman’s closing in on Rove!
Check out the links Waxman’s adding to his site. Back on the table, now with Waxman in charge: Executive Order 12958 and its accompanying security clearance agreement SF-312. (Henry channeling Christy? Vice versa? IANAL, but I call it moot.)
This picks up the thread Waxman had been unraveling back in 2005, targeting Rove for obvious violations of his security agreement.
So now, in front of the klieg lights, we’ll be hearing the question, Why does Rove (and by extension, the whole sordid crew) still have a security clearance? Indeed why does he still work in government?
Followed by the sound of crickets and tap dancing.
Terry Olson @ 49
Feinstein is also one of my senators. She has lost my vote forever.
OT… but this was too great… from Salon
“Most searched-for phrase on Sphere: “Scooter guilty” “
Looking over that list of Blue Dogs, I’d have to say the ones that stand out are
1. Ellen Tauscher
2. Sanford Bishop
3. Allen Boyd
4. Dennis Cardoza
5. Adam Schiff
6. Steve Israel
7. David Scott
All of the districts went for Kerry. All of these clowns are completely reactionary.
This is seriously OT but to me seems to be an instant classic.Funny as hell but oh so true.
http://www.thenewsblog.net/200…..stick.html
and they just put up the information about their webcast:
aahhh.
angie @ 56
Still hoping for CSpan to come through. Bigger and better picture. And Dan Abrams at MSNBC ought to know what this would do for their ratings if they telecast it.
I’m sorry, but this juror on Hardball is an imbecile.
tbsa @ 53
Her responses to my contacts imploring her to preserve fair use rights and consumer protections from unneeded restrictions of use have pissed me off enough that I left that office unchecked in 2006. She’s in the bag of big content, if you know what I mean.
Dover Bitch @ 58
And she’s a lawyer! They managed to seat a jury of people who hold no animosity toward this administration. How they did that in DC is really strange, but they did. They could never find a more sympathetic jury in DC if they tried.
RevDeb @ 56
agreed! the more the merrier :)
Mutant Poodle @ 44
Oh great. Thanks for reminding me of my Senators: John Cornyn and Kay Bailey Hutchison. Blechh…. oh well, there’s always Oklahoma to make us look not so bad….
Dover Bitch @
59
She kept pushing that everyone had an agenda. Both legal teams were pushing their agenda, the press was pushing their agenda — on and on. The last time she said “Everybody had their agenda,” the one hardball regular (can’t remember his name) said “yeah, except for you, right?”
RevDeb @ 61
It just shows how unbelievably guilty Libby was that a jury like this found unanimity.
To RevDeb –
Your cell phone is off darn it!
lisadawn82 @ 65
you’re right. I don’t always have it on when I’m at home.
twolf1 @ 64
Seriously, what the F is she talking about? She feels sympathy for Libby because there was no trial on the “real crime” without it occurring to her that the one person who could have provided the evidence that would lead to the “real trial” is the person she just convicted of lying from day one.
She’s a moron.
Mutant Poodle @ 44
Regarding the Senate, you can say that again! We did, however, gain a good Dem to replace that awful J.D. Hayworth, and we have a great Democratic Governor, Janet Napolitano, and an Attorney General, Terry Goddard.
Tweety is trying hard not to drool. I can hear him slurp.
Ann in AZ @ 69
I can’t stand Feinstein because of her unwavering support for the RIAA and their draconian efforts to screw up the Internet.
twolf1 @ 69
I wonder what causes that. I’ve noticed it before. Almost as if he has a hole in his lips.
Ann in Az is right. We got rid of Hayworth and Janet Naplatano is awesome esp. after the Governors we’ve had. AZ is in recovery.
Yesterdays march 8,The Australian,newspaper,
page 10,world section.libby’s conviction described as the political equivalent of a traffic offence.Is it possible for someone closer to the story to enlighten this newspaper regarding the facts?
liberalminded @ 55
Dennis Cardoza is in the 18th in California. He is truly a piece of work. I would LOVE to see him go!
Gallup recently released a comprehensive poll on Iraq.
Most americans think that the war was a mistake- but they’re very splintered on what to do about it:
Here are four different plans the U.S. could follow in dealing with the war in Iraq. Which ONE do you prefer? Withdraw all troops from Iraq immediately. Withdraw all troops by March 2008, that is, in 12 months’ time. Withdraw troops, but take as many years to do this as are needed to turn control over to the Iraqis. OR, Send more troops to Iraq.” Options rotated. Month and year adjusted in question wording, as appropriate.
.
Withdraw
Immediately Withdraw in
12 Months’ Take as Long
As Needed Send More
Troops Unsure
% % % % %
3/2-4/07
20 38 26 13 3
1/12-14/07
17 39 29 13 2
1/5-7/07
15 39 31 12 2
.
“Would you favor or oppose Congress taking each of the following actions in regards to the war in Iraq? How about [see below]?”
.
Favor Oppose Unsure
% % %
“Requiring U.S. troops to come home from Iraq if Iraq’s leaders fail to meet promises to reduce violence there”
3/2-4/07
77 20 3
.
“Requiring U.S. troops returning from Iraq to stay in the U.S. for at least a year before being re-deployed to Iraq”
3/2-4/07
76 21 3
.
“Setting a time-table for withdrawing all U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of next year”
3/2-4/07
60 39 1
2/9-11/07
63 35 2
.
“Putting a cap or limit on the number of U.S. troops serving in Iraq at any one time”
3/2-4/07
54 42 5
2/9-11/07
57 40 2
.
“Voting to revoke the authority it granted President Bush in 2002 to use U.S. military force in Iraq”
3/2-4/07
44 52 4
.
“Denying the funding needed to send any additional U.S. troops to Iraq”
3/2-4/07
37 61 2
2/9-11/07
40 58 2
Only 20% favor immediate withdrawal from Iraq
60% favor withdrawal by the end of 2008
but only 44% approve of revoking Bush’s authority for the war and only 37% favor denying funding for additional troops.
It’s not as if a majority of the american people are sayin “get out NOW”.
Hayduke @ 72
I think we’re more purple than red now. But our Senators are the pits; they need to go, and Kyl’s got six years left to his term. I’m so disgusted (I worked for Pederson.)
I hear you, tehy both are terrible, but, McCain is in his “last throes” though!
litigatormom @
14
He’s only good at lying when no one asks the obvious follow-up questions.
.
It’s not as if a majority of the american people are sayin “get out NOW”.
Screaming “get out now” sounds great but we don’t exactly have a great track record when it comes to this kind of thing. Read Frank Snepp’s “Decent Interval” for a primer.
I was on the phone and as I was hanging up I heard Leahy talking about subpeanaing someone. I hope it is people from the justice dept to answer more questions about the fired US attnys.
and since the WP article cited doesn’t name names, it makes me wonder how much of this was invented in an attempt to play “let’s you and him fight”
most important sentence in the post, it is possible nobody said it
Albatross @
38
Ha ha! That would make we Michiganders the “Great Firedoglake State”
Re: DiFi
I didn’t vote for her last year
This, is one reason
Here’s their mansion
EW, while I’ve got your attention, could there possibly be any truth to a rumor perpetrated yesterday that Ambassador Wilson was asked to go on his trip to Niger the day before Cheney asked his questions about the yellowcake? I asked this question yesterday, and since I got no answer, I almost had to wonder where this came from?
Ann in AZ @ 84
Kate O was pushing this yesterday with Tweety.
Libby’s lawyers still pointing fingers at the WH:
Cheney in Twilight
By Micahel Duffy at time.com
http://www.time.com/time/natio…..-1,00.html
Interesting chronicle of Cheney’s loss of power in the Bush admin, starting with Libby verdict… imho doesn’t go far enough because Duffy doesn’t come right out and say that Cheney fabricated lies to get us into Iraq…
but it’s a good inside take on the rise and fall of Dick Cheney, from a right wing mag no less.
(Of course, there is always the possibility that the purpose of the article is to show how Cheney/Libby acted separately from Bush/Rove, which it does a pretty good job of as well….)
RevDeb @ 85
RevDeb, EW has posted several times that there was testimony during the trial that there were 3 requests to the CIA from the OVP, one of which was one day after Wilson was asked. Its a red herring.
Ann in AZ (85): sounds like something the wingnuts made up. Cheney had been harrassing the CIA for months trying to get evidence to favor an Iraq attack.
Woodhall,
No surprise there. They are grasping for straws wherever they think they can find them.
Oh, let ‘em plead the Fifth…
“I respectfully decline to answer pursuant to my rights under the, uh, Fifth Amendment.”
“You mean, the one about SELF-INCRIMINATION???”
“Er, yes.”
Rinse, repeat, enjoy.
Ann in AZ @ 84
Here’s the story.
One of the documents that came out in the trial was the briefing Cheney’s CIA briefer gave him when he asked about the yellowcake. That was dated February 13. It says that CIA DO will get its covert people with ties to Niger to look into it, but it doesn’t name Joe.
The report Plame did was not revealed in the trial, but the SSCI says it was dated February 12.
From that, they’re claiming Joe was already chosen before the briefing.
Two problems with that. THe INR memo clearly portrays it still being up in the air–with Joe trying to discourage them from sending him (hello! Boondoggle, anyone??!?!)
Also, Cheney already KNEW about the Niger intell and asked his CIA briefer. That says he was likely briefed on it earlier.
There are two things that suggest this inquiry also sparked a report to CIA. First, when Cheney tried to get TEnet to say that Defense, State were also interested in the intell, Tenet refused. Which suggests this was just spin, Cheney-Feith and Cheney-Bolton, most likely. Second, the DIA briefing was from February 5, which would give Cheney plenty of time to make multiple requests for info.
RevDeb, it is worth noting that Cheney was leaning on the CIA hard to dig something up about Niger: he needed it for his propaganda for Bush and to
sell the warscare the shit out to the US population.RevDeb @ 86
Exactly, and I can’t believe she might be right, but I was wondering where it came from, or did she make it up out of whole cloth?
Woodhall Hollow @ 87
And Libby was not convicted of leaking. he was convicted of lying to cover up for those who did leak and thereby obstructing justice
The Blue Dogs are full of it. If they believed their constituents opposed Murtha’s plan, then they could have voted against it.
But they would not even let the plan come to the floor, which, means that they just did not want to have to vote on it – period. The reason is likely this – they know that their constituents want them to vote “yes”, but for their own political purposes – they want to vote “no”. So they stop the vote and avoid the whole thing.
They are political hacks – pure and simple.
LHP: but it is interesting that Wells is beating the “fall guy” meme in public. Problems in pardon-ville?
I’m guessing that there will be lots of sound and fury about Iraq this year- but nothing serious will happen until 08–then- as if a heavy weight has been lifted from the machinery of congress, there will be a mad scramble to pass legislation beginning the withdrawal process- but there will still be troops in country when this bunch of muck heads leaves the White House. Congress will give it every chance to succeed- but if it ain’t breathin hard by January- life support comes off.
Waxman’s letter to Fitzgerald is so great, so satisfying, it’s unbelievable. Not sure how Fitzgerald responds, but no matter what the hearings are going to be fantastic.
Waxman has been waiting for 12 years to do the job of oversight on all sorts of issues. A crazy notion–someone in congress doing the job that the congress is supposed to do. The Walter Reed hearing was a quick piece of publicity, and shows how there can be a preliminary hearing to gain public awareness which can be followed by investigation and oversight.
I had forgotten that he was on the Rove/security clearance issue, but there it is, and it now looks like he was waiting for the verdict and can now proceed.
But unless I’m mistaken Waxman’s biggest topic is war expenditures, waste and profiteering. There should be a lot of that stuff coming up in the near future. Busy guy, busy office since 11/07, and hopefully as he forges ahead he’ll get help and support from lots of colleagues–he’s going to need it.
Is it just me or has one of my favorite senators, Feingold (not Feinstein–though she’s doing the job on Carol Lam and the US Attorneys) been quiet lately? He’s the guy who needs to push Rockefeller to get the Senate Intelligence committee fired up.
may @ 74
Do you have a link? I’ll set them straight. That paper has its bad days with sloppy reporting.
Lots of speculation flyin around about Cheney quitting. Would love to know who’s fueling it. May be from inside the White House.
Did Ellen Tauscher Quit the Blue Dogs?
Woodhall Hollow @ 93
You don’t need to convince me :-)
on Hardballz – John Fund (WSJ) considers lying under oath to be “politics being criminalized”
petedownunder @ 100
I spent 6 weeks in Oz a year ago and discovered, much to my dissapointment, that there is a very serious wingnut problem down there too.
Seems that the great Attorney Massacre story is far from dead- gooper blood flowing- triage team alerted.
TeddySanFran @ 102
That would be extremely out of character, but who knows? If she’s decided to listen to her constituents, all the better!
RevDeb @ 103
I know! I just couldn’t not say it (I am really enjoying typing out double negs these days as well!).
Blue Dogs lifted their legs on Ellen and she said “EWWWW- I’m LEAVING”
Totally OT – 4 newspapers have dropped Coulter’s column based on her John Edwards’ “faggot” statement. Interesting – now she’s even pissing off the conservatives.
http://www.clickondetroit.com/…..etail.html
BOO HOO!!!!
I just got an email refunding my money for the Keith Olbermann interview of Valerie Plame on March 17! The email says that the event has been postponed.
But wait, I wonder if the postponement is due to the fact that Valerie is going to be testifying in Waxman’s hearings….
In which case, I will forgive her and Keith!
Woodhall Hollow @ 98
Could be? next week will be another week when we get no work done!
I am loving the many days of Fitzmas
Dianne Feinstein is a moderate male Republican (the old-style California kind) disguised as a female Democrat. She isn’t venal or crooked, but she’s pro-business all the way (as mayor of San Francisco, she let anybody throw up any giant skyscraper they wanted). I can’t count how many times I had to hold my nose and vote for her, because the Republicans had put up somebody appalling against her. She got a bit of a rude awakening during the Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill controversy, but she remains at heart a pro-business type. Don’t count on her to do anything like demand that the White House actually obey the law or work with Congress.
John Fund just lied (surprise, surprise) in saying that the Senate Intel. Comm. voted unanimously, Dems and Reps., that Joe Wilson’s story didn’t add up.
BS!
The part of that report that talks about Wilson is entirely in the Additional Views section, reflecting the opinions of Obfuscater Pat Roberts, Kit Bond and Orrin Hatch.
twolf1 @ 105
I wonder if he made similar statements in, oh, say, 1997 or 1998? What do YOU think?
litigatormom @ 111
I had a feeling that was going to happen. I recieved the same email. Hooray!
Sorry, I can’t hear.
My mind has been taken over by the theme song for
Batman!WAXMAN!I nominate that for FDL’s official themesong…
Bob in HI
zhiv– Dorgan can/will take up some of the slack on fraud and abuse while Waxman is busy, busy, busy.
Woodhall Hollow @ 117
What money?
twolf1 @ 105
“criminalization of politics” was the meme of the first Bush Admin over Iran Contra
Woodhall Hollow @ 98
Nah. They have to make it look like it’s not already a done deal.
Woodhall Hollow @ 106
That is true. Tony Abbott, the health minister, is a fundie Catholic and wants to impose his 15th century views on the public. There are some other crazies around too. The worst was Pauline Hanson who was elected to Parliament for one term on a platform that David Duke would have endorsed.
The Archbishop of Sydney, Cardinal Pell, told an interviewer that an African woman, faithful to her husband, should not use condoms even when her husband was unfaithful and likely HIV positive. Don’t get me started….
litigatormom @ 121
I dunno. I think Wells and Libby want a pardon NOW, and are upping the public pressure. The Mrs wants this shit over like yesterday.
petedownunder @ 123
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They wer nice to me on R&R in Kings Cross in 69!
Rasmussen polling for Bush JAR hits new low:
Goopers rise- as if with one motion- and begin collecting MORE FUCKING MONEY for Libby.
looseheadprop @ 120
There is, of course, a simple and easy comeback to that sort of assertion:
“So, let me get this straight, sir, you are admitting that your brand of politics consists of lying under oath and lying to the people of the United States?”
Dianne Feinstein, to her credit, led the charge when no one was paying attention to the USAttorney firings.
1/16/07 statement following her Senate floor speech.
John Fund = There was no underlying crime
I robbed a bank but didn’t get caught.
Therefore, the bank wasn’t robbed
Same deal
petedownunder @ 122
I know. I had the misfortune to end up seated next to American fundie preacher-missionaries on the way to and from. Yuck.
looseheadprop @ 120
That’s what happens when you have criminals for politicians.
Dover Bitch @ 115
Not even all the GOP members would sign onto this Appendix.
EW at #93, thank you very much. That was exactly what I wanted to know.
looseheadprop @ 19
He did it at the Al Smith dinner every year.
raven @ 125
Don’t get me wrong, there are many lovely,progressive Aussies (I’m engaged to one) but they do have their share of nut jobs. Even most of the wingnuts are open and friendly as long as your’re not black or a refugee.
RevDeb — that’s a keeper!!
Cozumel @ 129
Exactly. JFK must’ve died of natural causes since nobody was ever convicted.
johnSwifty @
42
Oh yeah! I had wanted to meet with y’all, but had to work. Any chance we could find a time other than lunch on a weekday? Maybe a Sat. or Sun.?
Kathie
raven @ 120:
There was a donation or ticket price of $150 for attending the Olbermann/Plame interview. It was being hosted by a political or public interest organization. It’s steep but I was happy to pay it.
Now all I have to look forward to on that day is drunken St. Patrick’s Day celebrants staggering all over midtown….
Woof woof!
Had to step away for a bit. Y’all been behaving yourselves while I was out?
petedownunder @ 136
Yea, I had a buddy from Wollongong in my grad program at Georgia. He was a great guy but a total racist-homophobe drunkard.
litigatormom @ 140
Ah, I see. Thanks.
TeddySanFran @
133
No kidding. Roberts, who lied about “Phase II,” lied about Wilson, Fund is lying about the report, Libby is a convicted liar, covering up a scheme to defend the lies that led to this war… is there a conservative left alive who can tell the damn truth about anything? The best they can do is “not sign onto” the lies.
I spent 6 weeks in Oz a year ago and discovered, much to my dissapointment, that there is a very serious wingnut problem down there too.
Some of them don’t know Queen Victoria is dead.
All one needs to know about Di Fi is who her husband Richard Blum is. Over twenty years ago one had to be worth a barebones minimum of 100 million for Dick to consider doing business with them..(invest their money)
Dover Bitch @
68
Somebody earlier today suggested that since she was a DC-area attorney, she was looking to placate her client base, many of whom are no doubt high-powered types like Scooter.
The name Guiliani is synonymous with hubris. I enjoyed watching Rudy go down in flames in 2000-2001 due to his personal life and I am going to enjoy it again in 2007-2008.
My favorite is the time he was marching in the St Paddy’s day parade with this then mistress Judith Nathan (while still living at Gracie Mansion with “the wife” and “the kids.”) and made her leave the parade just before the parade went by St Patrick’s Cathedral. She rejoined the parade once it got past the church.
Bush packs his bag- hat learns a couple of latin dance steps- and head south of the border for spring break. He’s gonna prove to a few El Presidentes that he’s more fun than HUGO–”wanna hear a good FART joke?”
Rudy plays dressup:
Sat Nite Live
Canoodling with Trump
Rockette or something similar
Al Smith dinner
If there’s four, there must be more.
petedownunder @ 135
Or aboriginal.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 145
Ah, that explains a lot.
Phoenix Woman @ 147
Then she’s a shrewd moron.
raven @ 142
There’s a lot of that about, particularly the latter. The folks here do like their wee drop and it often brings out the less than pretty side. Still there are many really good folks there, so you can’t condemn the whole place any more than you could condemn all the folks in Kansas for the vocal few who think the Earth is 6000 years old.
Woodhall Hollow @ 147
I still don’t think he’s in the greatest of shape. Just look at him — he looks like a cadaver with a comb-over.
Ann Redington is on Tweety again?
I don’t think she is the attny. Rather the comptroller who works for the huge lobby/law firm, the name of which escapes me.
“shrewd moron”
Or a moronic shrew.
Woodhall Hollow @ 155
It was said yesterday that she is an atty. Either she said it or Tweety introduced her as that. And today’s performance was part of what was taped yesterday.
spinoza @ 145
Reminds me of a story in the Sydney Morning Herald, a guy is sitting in the doctor’s waiting from looking at the usual old magazines and says to his neighbor “Shame about the Titanic”
Phoenix Woman @ 155
He did have cancer a while back.
Gas now over $3 per gallon here.
The great “wonder if we can keep goopers in office if we lower gas prices” experiment is officially over.
Woodhall Hollow @ 156
I strongly believe she is the Hotel Sales person who like celebs.
Incidentally, here is the letter Joe Wilson sent to Pat Roberts after reading his ridiculous assertions in his Additional Comments, which John Fund falsely claims is a unanimous Senatorial rebuke of Wilson.
Roger that, we had a RAR Artillery outfit down the road an NOBODY had your back better than the diggers!
“Mr. President, George Bush is at the door”
“What does he say?”
“He keeps sayin “PULL MY FINGER”"
rwcole @ 159
Yup, sitting at 3.09 for the cheap stuff on my way in this morning. Craaazy. How about some investigations into that, dem congress?
I’d say that every time one of the jurors goes into their ‘poor Scooter should be pardoned’ routine, the interviewer should ask why they found him guilty on four of the five charges. (Or ask what kind of calls they’ve been getting: threats or offers?)
This is just total BS that Tweety doesn’t have Marcy Wheeler on his show. I guess that would cut into his “Isikoff wrote THE book on the Plame case” crap. It’s just so obvious all the cocktail weenies feel the need to feed only each other at the expense of the public interest, ain’t it?
On Hardball just now Tweety had a RW spin-fest with O’Beirne and Fund on the same show – no counterpoint – only a couple of reporters who know NUTHIN’ – NADA about the case. And Tweety either doesn’t know or pretends he doesn’t know about the “no underlying crime,” “criminalization of politics” spin. I can’t believe he didn’t read Marcy’s book when it was placed in his hands…
A caller to Air America earlier said she asked her sister (who believes everything she hears from the corporate media) what she thought of the Libby verdict. The sister said that it was all much ado about nothing – and nepotism – that “the wife” had sent her husband on a boondoggle and the case never should have been tried, blah blah blah. As the caller said, why doesn’t anyone ask about the trip – what was it – a tropical vacation or something? That and all the other obvious questions are nowhere to be found in the corporate media.
Here’s hoping that Mr. Waxman’s hearings get the attention they deserve. Right now I think we’re losing the battle of the media narrative.
Jurors say that at the breaks Scoots told em great horny bear stories.
rwcole @ 168
Libby talked to the jury at breaks?
Is Tweety talking about the upcoming Waxman hearings?
Dover Bitch @ 163
Okay, thats it! I despise Fund and Tweety needs an email about his lie..
TSF? is his addy cmatthews@msnbc.com ???
please don’t trash the jurors
Woodhall Hollow @ 169
Not a word. Are we surprised?
I trust that it WILL be mentioned on Countdown, with or without Keith.
I think Tweety opened his show with the Waxman news. Will double check when it starts again in 30 mins.
raven
Naw- I was just messin around.
Emptywheel said the other night that she was just blogging for TNH, but it wasn’t true!!!!!
rwcole @ 102
rwcole,
Any bets Daddy and crew are involved in this to salvage what they can of the Bush reputation?
Bustednuckles @ 6
Well Peterson was a great idea, of course. Probably the most primariable Democrat is David Scott in Georgia. Many of the worst supporters of Bush’s Iraq policies are in red districts (like Gene Taylor in Mississippi and Jim Marshall in Georgia). If there are any strong candidates– the way Marcy Winograd was when she gave Harman the scare of her life– we need to support them all over the country. But it is proving very difficult to invent a challenge without a candidate in the lead. It’s not working against Ellen Tauscher and it won’t work against Rahm Emanuel, Howard Berman or Steny Hoyer, 4 solid blue-district Democrats who are helping to keep Bush’s Iraq policies on track.
Does John Fund still beat up women?
RevDeb @ 174
Not sure the news came out in time for tweety to put it on his show.
I knew Howie would be all over it.
Thanks Howie.
EPU-land — but still.
Here is my list of Dem Senators who should have the hell primaried out of them, including my own Dem senator Debbie Stabenow. She’s better than an R, but not by much. But these folks voted for torture.
P J Evans @ 167
Would a typical joe blow get a pardon for this kind of shit, hell no. When Clinton lied under oath it was an impeachable offense, when Libby does it the republic party looks the other way.
Hayduke @
73
As a resident of Flagstaff, AZ for 17 years, I am SO glad to see Hayworth sent packing (for his first term, his district included Flagstaff). Now if we could only get rid of Rick Renzi, who is as bad as they come.
You know the jag about the Gonzales 8 who were fired for not jumping high enough when Gonzo said “Jump!”? The other side of that coin in Arizona was that Renzi was under investigation before the last election, and nothing was announced about the findings until afterwards. I don’t know who it was who sat on that so as not to disrupt Renzi’s victory campaign, but a big BOO! and HISS! to whomever it was*.
Bob in HI
*To be fair, I don’t know what finally came of that story, but it seemed clear last October that the investigation was held back to avoid any awkward revelations.
I’m getting here late, and EPU’d, but if anyone comes back to check PLEASE add John Barrow to the list. An Iraq war vet would play well, and probably spike the cannon of whatever Bushco shill runs on the other side. From my fingers to God’s ear…
Marion in Savannah @ 187
Please, if he loses he might move back here!
Late, as usual, to the party and on my way out the door, too boot!
Russ Warner, CA CD26. Howie Klein interviewed him for Blue Ameria and said (paraphrase) Warner’s not totally progressive but he is a solid Democrat, a good man and the best bet to beat Drier in this somewhat conservative district. Somehow he got beat in the primary by the supremely un-electable Cynthia Matthews, but he will be ready for the next round, in ‘08. His son served in Iraq; they are both of the mind it was all a big mistake and we should leave, NOW.
Check him out.
I good one might be:
Voting against Employee Free Choice Act
Rep. Gene Taylor (D) MS-4
Source: http://www.unionvoice.org/wfea…..eVote.html
Voting record:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Hou…..Reform.htm
I realize no one will probably read this but if you are interested in knowing which Democratic Congresscritters voted:
o For the Military Commissions Act
o For the Bankruptcy bill (technically known as “Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act”)
o Against Net Neutrality (technically the “Markey of Massachusetts Amendment” to the “Communications, Opportunity, Promotion, and Enhancement Act of 2006″), and
o For Federal Government intervention in the Terry Schiavo case (technically known as “For the Relief of the Parents of Theresa Marie Schiavo”)
Click here
the only way to deal with those spineless little chimpanzee so-called “blue dog democrats” (I call them vichy dems) is to make them more afraid of the left than they are of the right. Fear is the only thing that moves them.
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Well, no sooner than I post this diary than we find out that Russ Feingold and Harry Reid have got the other Democratic Senators to back a troop withdrawal bill!
I of course take all the credit for this. :-)
Phoenix Woman @
193
Good work, Phoenix Woman.
Best, Terry
Elliott @ 180
Yes, but only while wearing women’s underwear.