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		<title>By: irishdave3</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/08/no-pardon-period-and-while-were-at-it/#comment-549172</link>
		<dc:creator>irishdave3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RE: NPR interview(#18). Didn’t hear that but in the US. Army they often call GIs who never leave the Forward Operating Base(FOB)Fobbitts and that IS related to Hobbitts.  Here on Internat’l Womens Day, I can’t help but notice that they always refer to her as Lorena( and not gallo, i.e Spanish for cock, as in rooster) and him as Bobbit(and not John Wayne).  Lorenazo has entered the Spanish Dictionary, though…lol&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: NPR interview(#18). Didn’t hear that but in the US. Army they often call GIs who never leave the Forward Operating Base(FOB)Fobbitts and that IS related to Hobbitts.  Here on Internat’l Womens Day, I can’t help but notice that they always refer to her as Lorena( and not gallo, i.e Spanish for cock, as in rooster) and him as Bobbit(and not John Wayne).  Lorenazo has entered the Spanish Dictionary, though…lol</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/08/no-pardon-period-and-while-were-at-it/#comment-549019</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 05:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s pretty late and low in the thread, but I have to say it:  Christy, I think you’re wrong to oppose a pardon for Scooter.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m with Cheney on this one.  I say GO FOR IT W!!  PARDON SCOOTER NOW!!  SAVE HIM FROM GOING TO JAIL - TELL US ALL THAT HE’S A GREAT MAN, HE DOESN’T DESERVE THIS, HE WAS FRAMED, THE JURY WAS CONFUSED, THE JUDGE WAS BIASED OR DRUNK, FITZ IS JUST PLAIN MEAN AND A DEMOCRAT TOO, THE JURY REALLY THOUGHT HE WAS INNOCENT, WHATEVER WORKS FOR YOU.  MAKE MY DAY!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hell, if Scooter was going to flip for Fitz, he would have already.  I’m sure we all agree he’s planning to continue to stonewall, in expectation of the coming pardon, the day before next inauguration.  He can drag out his appeals and stay out of prison until then, while he works on a book and lives on a fat advance.  Better to see him pardoned immediately!  Why?  Does anyone here remember attorney / special prosecutor Archibald Cox?  A pardon now for Libby would be W’s Saturday Night Massacre - an act transparently designed to prevent his own investigation or prosecution, and to reward Libby for his loyalty.  W, like Tricky Dick, may think no one will notice, especially if it’s handled quietly, on a Saturday night, when no one’s paying attention to the news.  In reality, it would set off a firestorm of protest.  W’s base would love it, but it just might be enough of an outrage to cause a few more Congressional Dems, maybe even a few Repugs, to grow spines (or other vital organs).  IANAL but IMHO, a pardon for Libby, a potential witness to crimes by the President and Vice President, would provide res ipsa loquitur evidence in support of obstruction of justice charges against the Pardoner.  That might even be sufficient grounds for immediate impeachment.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Even if not, a pardoned Libby would still be subject to subpoena by various Congressional committees, who will likely be unappreciative of a stubborn, forgetful, perjuring major witness.  Refusal to cooperate with a Congressional investigation might carry greater potential for incarceration than the current conviction.  Only this time, he’d be out of reach of a pardon.  If anyone can force Libby to disclose what he knows about criminal actions by the President and VP, it would have to be an energized and determined Congress.  A pardon would likely help bring that about.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for allowing me to share my thoughts.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s pretty late and low in the thread, but I have to say it:  Christy, I think you’re wrong to oppose a pardon for Scooter.  </p>
<p>I’m with Cheney on this one.  I say GO FOR IT W!!  PARDON SCOOTER NOW!!  SAVE HIM FROM GOING TO JAIL &#8211; TELL US ALL THAT HE’S A GREAT MAN, HE DOESN’T DESERVE THIS, HE WAS FRAMED, THE JURY WAS CONFUSED, THE JUDGE WAS BIASED OR DRUNK, FITZ IS JUST PLAIN MEAN AND A DEMOCRAT TOO, THE JURY REALLY THOUGHT HE WAS INNOCENT, WHATEVER WORKS FOR YOU.  MAKE MY DAY!</p>
<p>Hell, if Scooter was going to flip for Fitz, he would have already.  I’m sure we all agree he’s planning to continue to stonewall, in expectation of the coming pardon, the day before next inauguration.  He can drag out his appeals and stay out of prison until then, while he works on a book and lives on a fat advance.  Better to see him pardoned immediately!  Why?  Does anyone here remember attorney / special prosecutor Archibald Cox?  A pardon now for Libby would be W’s Saturday Night Massacre &#8211; an act transparently designed to prevent his own investigation or prosecution, and to reward Libby for his loyalty.  W, like Tricky Dick, may think no one will notice, especially if it’s handled quietly, on a Saturday night, when no one’s paying attention to the news.  In reality, it would set off a firestorm of protest.  W’s base would love it, but it just might be enough of an outrage to cause a few more Congressional Dems, maybe even a few Repugs, to grow spines (or other vital organs).  IANAL but IMHO, a pardon for Libby, a potential witness to crimes by the President and Vice President, would provide res ipsa loquitur evidence in support of obstruction of justice charges against the Pardoner.  That might even be sufficient grounds for immediate impeachment.  </p>
<p>Even if not, a pardoned Libby would still be subject to subpoena by various Congressional committees, who will likely be unappreciative of a stubborn, forgetful, perjuring major witness.  Refusal to cooperate with a Congressional investigation might carry greater potential for incarceration than the current conviction.  Only this time, he’d be out of reach of a pardon.  If anyone can force Libby to disclose what he knows about criminal actions by the President and VP, it would have to be an energized and determined Congress.  A pardon would likely help bring that about.</p>
<p>Thanks for allowing me to share my thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: George Porges</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/08/no-pardon-period-and-while-were-at-it/#comment-548850</link>
		<dc:creator>George Porges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 03:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It seems so obvious that Libby/Cheney et al miscalculated everything. Firstly, their hubris led them to believe they would either not get caught in the lie or that the Prosecutor would not go after a perjury/OOJ charge. Secondly, once into the trial, they couldnt allow Libby or Cheney to take the stand and risk cross examination, so hope that the jury might give them a pass. When that fails, test the waters by cranking up the talk machine to highlight he’s a nice guy and deserves a pardon. If that doesnt sit well, now the big decision whether Libby will sit quietly in jail and keep his mouth shut. Another miscalculation??  Might Libby see himself as the next chapter in Profiles in Courage??&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems so obvious that Libby/Cheney et al miscalculated everything. Firstly, their hubris led them to believe they would either not get caught in the lie or that the Prosecutor would not go after a perjury/OOJ charge. Secondly, once into the trial, they couldnt allow Libby or Cheney to take the stand and risk cross examination, so hope that the jury might give them a pass. When that fails, test the waters by cranking up the talk machine to highlight he’s a nice guy and deserves a pardon. If that doesnt sit well, now the big decision whether Libby will sit quietly in jail and keep his mouth shut. Another miscalculation??  Might Libby see himself as the next chapter in Profiles in Courage??</p>
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		<title>By: Sasha</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/08/no-pardon-period-and-while-were-at-it/#comment-548594</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 23:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know I should say something substantive or profound but that is the damn creepiest picture I’ve ever seen.  Nobody in my circle is gonna get laid for a really long time.  Excuse me but I have to go pour bleach in my eyes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I should say something substantive or profound but that is the damn creepiest picture I’ve ever seen.  Nobody in my circle is gonna get laid for a really long time.  Excuse me but I have to go pour bleach in my eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Amilius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amilius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 21:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We should also remember that on the only count  that Scooter was not found guilty of, it was only one juror that felt there might be a reasonable doubt.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should also remember that on the only count  that Scooter was not found guilty of, it was only one juror that felt there might be a reasonable doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: Josiah Bartlett</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/08/no-pardon-period-and-while-were-at-it/#comment-548168</link>
		<dc:creator>Josiah Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-547680&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TeddySanFran @ 34 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Fascinating that TradMed trumpets Wells’ “success” in getting the jury to agree that Scooter’s the fall guy.  Properly,  they would report that “despite the jury’s agreement with Mr Wells that Mr Libby may have been a fall guy for others, they found his client guilty on four of five felony counts…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sadly, though, today’s meme is that Wells succeeded with the jury.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s just another example of the bigotry of low expectations.  Talk about lowering the bar!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-547680"><em>TeddySanFran @ 34 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Fascinating that TradMed trumpets Wells’ “success” in getting the jury to agree that Scooter’s the fall guy.  Properly,  they would report that “despite the jury’s agreement with Mr Wells that Mr Libby may have been a fall guy for others, they found his client guilty on four of five felony counts…”</p>
<p>Sadly, though, today’s meme is that Wells succeeded with the jury.</p>
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<p>It’s just another example of the bigotry of low expectations.  Talk about lowering the bar!</p>
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		<title>By: clueless</title>
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		<dc:creator>clueless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-548056&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;dalloway @ 191 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Friends and neighbors, Rove and Bush are the reasons Libby will get his pardon.  Remember Cheney’s note about Scooter as someone “this pres.” asked to “stick his neck in the meatgrinder?”  They were all involved in the “pushback” against Joe Wilson, Rove and Bush includeded.  If Libby sings, Rove and Bush will figure prominently in the lyrics.  If Rove isn’t able to game the appeals court (they have a pet justice there) look for Libby to receive his pardon the day after his appeal is denied.  Bush will be told by Cheney and Rove that nobody will remember it and that it won’t tarnish his legacy.  If anything, it will burnish it among conservatives, the only people who count.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree. Cheney is both evil enough and smart enough to have involved both Rove and dumbass Bush. He made sure that EVERYBODY was equally up to their asses in aligators. Now, Cheney doesn’t have to sell the idea of saving his ass or Libby’s ass…..all he has to tell Bush and Rove is that you can save OUR asses. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Remember, IIRC &amp; IANAL, if Libby is given a pardon, he is then required to truthfully answer all questions regarding the issue he was pardoned for. This is the fly in the ointment. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush/Rove/Cheney would actually be better served if Libby had an “accident” that “was fatal”. Dead lips don’t sink ships.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-548056"><em>dalloway @ 191 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Friends and neighbors, Rove and Bush are the reasons Libby will get his pardon.  Remember Cheney’s note about Scooter as someone “this pres.” asked to “stick his neck in the meatgrinder?”  They were all involved in the “pushback” against Joe Wilson, Rove and Bush includeded.  If Libby sings, Rove and Bush will figure prominently in the lyrics.  If Rove isn’t able to game the appeals court (they have a pet justice there) look for Libby to receive his pardon the day after his appeal is denied.  Bush will be told by Cheney and Rove that nobody will remember it and that it won’t tarnish his legacy.  If anything, it will burnish it among conservatives, the only people who count.</p>
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<p>I agree. Cheney is both evil enough and smart enough to have involved both Rove and dumbass Bush. He made sure that EVERYBODY was equally up to their asses in aligators. Now, Cheney doesn’t have to sell the idea of saving his ass or Libby’s ass…..all he has to tell Bush and Rove is that you can save OUR asses. </p>
<p>Remember, IIRC &amp; IANAL, if Libby is given a pardon, he is then required to truthfully answer all questions regarding the issue he was pardoned for. This is the fly in the ointment. </p>
<p>Bush/Rove/Cheney would actually be better served if Libby had an “accident” that “was fatal”. Dead lips don’t sink ships.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacqrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacqrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-547693&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Christy Hardin Smith @&lt;br /&gt;
                46              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hey all — Jane will be on Stephanie Miller shortly.  Just FYI!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;*********sigh***********&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-547693"><em>Christy Hardin Smith @<br />
                46              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Hey all — Jane will be on Stephanie Miller shortly.  Just FYI!</p>
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<p>*********sigh***********</p>
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		<title>By: dalloway</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/08/no-pardon-period-and-while-were-at-it/#comment-548056</link>
		<dc:creator>dalloway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Friends and neighbors, Rove and Bush are the reasons Libby will get his pardon.  Remember Cheney’s note about Scooter as someone “this pres.” asked to “stick his neck in the meatgrinder?”  They were all involved in the “pushback” against Joe Wilson, Rove and Bush includeded.  If Libby sings, Rove and Bush will figure prominently in the lyrics.  If Rove isn’t able to game the appeals court (they have a pet justice there) look for Libby to receive his pardon the day after his appeal is denied.  Bush will be told by Cheney and Rove that nobody will remember it and that it won’t tarnish his legacy.  If anything, it will burnish it among conservatives, the only people who count.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friends and neighbors, Rove and Bush are the reasons Libby will get his pardon.  Remember Cheney’s note about Scooter as someone “this pres.” asked to “stick his neck in the meatgrinder?”  They were all involved in the “pushback” against Joe Wilson, Rove and Bush includeded.  If Libby sings, Rove and Bush will figure prominently in the lyrics.  If Rove isn’t able to game the appeals court (they have a pet justice there) look for Libby to receive his pardon the day after his appeal is denied.  Bush will be told by Cheney and Rove that nobody will remember it and that it won’t tarnish his legacy.  If anything, it will burnish it among conservatives, the only people who count.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;oops I didn’t refresh, someone beat me to the 5 yr. claim. Sorry&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops I didn’t refresh, someone beat me to the 5 yr. claim. Sorry</p>
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