
(Photo of President George Bush sucking down a deep whiff of ethanol fumes by Jim Young/Reuters via Yahoo. H/T to twolf1 for the find on this picture -- priceless!)
Um...Mr. President. It's that pesky Mr. Accountability again. He says he won't stop knocking until we answer:
The president and vice president can pretend it's not there, and can continue to hide behind their weak and transparent excuse for not commenting on an "ongoing criminal investigation".But the trial is over. The investigation is over. And the conviction of a liar in their midst has made it more imperative than ever that the leaders of this country fully address the American people's legitimate concerns that the lies in question were intended to hide from public view even deeper skullduggery at the highest levels of the administration.
As special counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald noted in his closing arguments (see my Feb. 21 column, The Cloud Over Cheney) Libby's lies have left all sorts of issues unresolved.
Cheney was at the fevered center of the effort to discredit administration critic Joseph Wilson, which resulted in the exposure of his wife, Valerie Plame, as a CIA operative. Indeed, Cheney was the first person to tell Libby about Plame. Cheney authored talking points that quite possibly encouraged Libby and others to mention Plame to reporters. Cheney was the only person to whom Libby confided his implausible cover story -- that he had first heard about Plame from NBC's Tim Russert. And at Cheney's request, Bush secretly declassified portions of a National Intelligence Reports so that Libby could leak them to Judith Miller of the New York Times.
The White House yesterday once again trotted out its "ongoing criminal matter" rationale. But that was never much of an excuse and at this point it is utterly pathetic. Any danger of influencing the investigation or the jury pool, to the extent that was ever a legitimate concern, is past. The chances of a retrial are almost nonexistent. In reviewing a conviction, an appellate court cannot look outside the trial record. Fitzgerald says he and his fellow prosecutors are going back to their day jobs.
And there is an enormous public-policy factor here -- something more important than the vague, theoretical possibility of influencing a fair trial. Just for example, no executive of any company would be allowed by his shareholders to remain mum on a top aide's indictment -- not to mention conviction. He'd be fired.
Why are Bush and his aides hiding behind such hollow excuses? Probably because they know that if they did talk, it might just make things worse. Arguably, they still don't think Libby did anything wrong, putting them in the awkward position of disagreeing with a federal jury's verdict. And in explaining what they say really happened, they might risk either exposing more unseemly facts or being caught in a lie.
But the main reason they are hiding behind these excuses is that they can. There's been no public cost to them from not talking.
That, of course, is where the news media come in. When the public has a need to know and the government won't meet it, the media are at their most righteous in demanding information -- and, when being denied, in constantly reminding everyone that the government is stonewalling.
Reporters yesterday glibly expressed no surprise by the White House's refusal to comment. The proper response, however, is sustained outrage, until every last critically important question is addressed.
Among those questions, just for refresher purposes:
* What did Bush know and when did he know it?
* Did Cheney tell Libby to leak Plame's identity to reporters?
* How involved was Cheney in the cover-up? How involved was Bush?
* Why is Karl Rove still working at the White House?
* What are the ethical standards for this White House? What is considered acceptable behavior and what is not? What is a firing offense?
There are days when I read a Froomkin column and say to myself, "Dang, I wish I had written that." Yesterday was one of those days. And I wanted to be certain that everyone saw this -- because these are just the sorts of questions that journalists and members of Congress ought to be asking. Over and over again, until they are given satisfactory and thorough answers.
And while all those media types and power brokers are at it, they should take a peek back through this Froomkin gem from Neiman, and refresh their collective recollections of those days when we had a President who didn't think of himself as some unilateral executive wannabe king.
The President and the Vice President work for all of us, not the other way around -- and it is well past time that they were reminded of that fact.
It is the job of the media to hold the President and his Administration to account for the mistakes they have made, not to simply slink around and hope for crumbs to fall off the Presidential table in the form of "exclusives" deliberately planted in some massive PR campaign. I am not so naive to think that access is not a part of the job, and a necessary component of continuing to get good information which requires some compromises to be made in terms of what is or is not reportable. But if your sources are using you as a vessel for manipulative, smarmy lies that they expect you to spoon feed a willing public? At some point, shouldn't you ask yourself, "Is this ethical? Is this my job? Isn't it about time I stood up, found a spine, and asked a tough question?" Or shouldn't you, perhaps, be honest with the public that you are a spineless shill who has sold your soul for face time on the teevee?
Harsh? Yes. But after Fred Hiatt's fact free screed yesterday, I am done being nice. (And, btw, if you missed Watertiger's masterful point by point smackdown, do go and read it.)
It is the duty of members of Congress to provide meaningful and thorough oversight -- this week's hearings on the US Attorney firings were an awfully good example of that process. As were the hearings on the mess at Walter Reed. More please.
Accountability, oversight and investigation by the media and members of Congress? It is up to you and me to be certain that they do so. Let's get to work.
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FTIZZZZZZZZ !!!!
As Froomkin said, they get away with it because they can.
No one, not the dem congress nor the press holds them accountable.
What now?
fitz!!
Sunshine Salut to Col. Jack Jacobs on Imus this morning. My polar political opposite, no doubt. But this is a guy who’ll give you a straight answer. And hold people accountable.
His take: attitude starts at the command level. The most successful leaders are the ones who know their troops because they’re interacting with them
Imus take: Bush administration exploits the troops for backdrops on their photo ops but has contempt for them. Judge by their non-actions.
epu’d from last thread:
It takes Robert Novak to bring some sense to this issue.
From today’s WaPo:
A Verdict on the Wilson Affair
(excerpt)
The Libby trial uncovered no plot hatched in the White House. The worst news Tuesday for firebrand Democrats was that Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald was going back to his “day job” (as U.S. attorney in Chicago). With no underlying crime even claimed, the only question was whether Libby had consciously and purposefully lied to FBI agents and the grand jury about how he learned of Mrs. Wilson’s identity. …
[Mod Note; Excerpt shortened by mod. For the sake of the servers and to avoid any copyright issues, please keep excerpt length to a minimum. Thank you.]
In an earlier thread there was discussion of the Strib person whose take on the Coulter f-bomb was to bring up Franken’s calling Norm Coleman a butt boy. [A phrase Imus uses frequently, by the by.]
My take: anyone who doesn’t know the difference between talkin’ trash and hate speech isn’t competent to hold editorial command.
Christy.
A very good morning to you! Hope that the little one is feeling better.
Was that Anon at the bottom of the last thread for real?
the media can’t ask questions - their mouths are full of Karl Rove’s quail wings…
(sorry no link)
is the coffee ready yet?
something I’d like to see democrats start doing;
“Cheney was at the fevered center of the effort to discredit the real patriots trying to prevent madmen from lying this country into war”
now that’s probably too confrontational for most politicians but they can temper the idea a bit
we have to put more weight on Joe Wilson’s reputation, we have to get the wing nuts to start listening to the rest of us call Joe what he really is…A PATRIOT, we have to CHALLENGE anyone who repeats the lies from the administration, when someone says “the vice preisdent never sent him” we have GOT to say;
“there is no doubt the vice president DID send him, IT’S IN THE VICE PRESIDENT’S OWN NOTES and YOU are actually taking the word of the vice president WHO WE KNOW TO BE A LIAR over a PATRIOT like JOE Wilson”
enough of this pussy footing around when it comes to the vice president’s depraved rhetoric
we have been LIED into war by THIS administration and the people that tried to tell AMERICANS the truth need to be placed on the HIGHEST pedestill, and the TRAITORS that DLEIBERATLEY distorted their “evidence” need to be called what they are
liars
wrt what congress can do now…. i have some questions….
thinking back on the sam ervin led committee hearings - wasn’t that a special committee that was set up and funded to investigate watergate related administration activities?
i want something like that now… not something that an already standing committee has to do within the contraints of current funding and personel.
how could that happen? would it require senate legislation? how likely would that be to pass? could it be filibustered? vetoed by the president? who should we be calling? reid’s office - or somewhere else?
thanks!
Thw Washington Post is *not* your friend…
The front page today.
Weak Democrats on the top left, Libby pardon promo to the right.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....image.html
Further on Col. Jack Jacobs… this is the person who should be in charge of the Walter Reed/systemic military outpatient meltdown. Instead we get stall and obfuscation and window dressing.
Political Hack Nicholson and Gen. Kiley should resign NOW. Today.
They are too ignorant and arrogant to be in charge of anything above the level of latrine cleaning.
And bring our troops home NOW, not autumn 2008.
Great post Christy. And I missed the Fromkin piece yesterday so thanks for front ppageing it here.
Would that WaPo would put it on their front page
selise @ 9
me too, besides your questions I want to ask if congress has yet requested notes and briefing from the tall man?
have they?
if not, WHY NOT, if they have then when do they get the data?
Perris @ 7, I agree with everything you said, but still. Why give Bush a free pass? He must be held as accountable as Cheney and the minions.
Busho’s busily trying to de-link Bush from Cheney, but Bush must be held to account. This is his administration. This is his Deciderating. This is his governing philosophy…from Iraq to Katrina to the ice floes melting around the polar bears.
Prairie Sunshine @
5
I’m afraid I can’t see the difference. What is a ‘butt boy’?
The WaPo, as a newspaper, is wandering into senility. It’s got a few good reporters (Priest, Pincus, Chandrasekaran - what’s happened to Gellman? his byline’s gone missing) and thank goodness it’s got Froomkin, but other than that…
I went over to Conyers website last night to see if he had anything on carrying the ball forward against Plame leakers. Nothing. Venting here feels really good, but why aren’t the Dems doing anything? Isikoff is reporting DOJ guidelines seem to rule out any sort of pardon for Libby. What’s your take on that?
How is everyone this morning? We had snow yesterday again — I snapped a pix that I hope to share later today at some point. But,for the moment, I need more coffee…
perris @ 12
I wish I felt some confidence that congress was going to do something, but with few exceptions like Waxman and Conyers and Leahy I don’t see it happening. Those three already have their plates piled high.
Too many of our elected officials are feeding at the corporate trough. As long as we finance elections the way we do, we are doomed to having lawmakers pay more attention to and do the bidding of the corporations than attend to the work of the people.
Thanks Christy for pointing to Froomkin. He does great work. That’s probably why they don’t include many of his columns in the print edition, or has that changed?
It’s frustrating to do the leg work, and then not know where the situation has been left after madly scrambling to try and hold this administration accountable.
After hustling to track down the staffers for the House Subcommittee on Commercial and Admin Law this Tuesday morning, I found them in a mark-up meeting preparing for the afternoon hearing with the subpoenaed U.S. Attorneys. I never found a fax number for the Subcommittee; I left voicemails with two of the staffers and never heard anything back from them.
I located the Chair’s COS, spoke with him and relayed the questions and concerns I had, sent a reiteration of the points by email. And nothing in return; I have heard and seen nothing to indicate my concerns were addressed during the hearing.
Gah. So frustrating. We are going to have to go all the way through this entire foodchain of government to ensure that it becomes a responsive, customer-oriented culture.
LHP — if you’re reading this, I need a clarification on 6(g). Is there a link you can point me to in FRCRMP so that I am crystal-clear about this in follow-up? Thanks.
Great article on Valerie Plame in the NYT this morning.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03.....lerie.html
Ed Schultz made a great point yesterday on his show about the Walter Reed scandal…a bipartisan commission is a joke, why is Congress not able to do their fucking job and hold people accountable. The 9/11 commission was ignored as was the Iraq study group. Don’t think we need to look at it anymore, I think we need to do something.
RT at 16 — I was looking for Gellman the other day, too, and coming up empty. I hope he’s working on an investigative peice or something, because his work is quite good.
repeating from an earlier thread
MODO interviews Denis Collins
“I asked him how he would feel if W. pardoned Scooter.
“I would really not care,” he replied. “I feel like the damage has been done in terms of his reputation and the administration’s reputation.”
And what about the calls for Dick Cheney to resign or get the boot?
“Here’s the thing: Libby followed Cheney’s instructions to go talk to reporters, but there’s no evidence at all that Cheney told him to lie about it. So the question is, was Libby just kind of inept at getting this story out?” “
This mirrors Chris Matthews with the lady juror last night. Nobody is asking the question- leaking classified info is a crime. Outing a covert agent is a crime- even though the slime balls were not charged with it. Collins should know better- seeing he wrote a book on the CIA.
“Rove throws reporters some bones”
When a pool reporter following the president’s intown travel stationed outside dispatched an email to Rove inside, asking if the architect of the president’s campaigns could spare a doggy bag for the press van, sure enough — out came an emissary bearing a gift of sausage and quail wings.
I’m telling ya, it’s hard to ask questions with your mouth full.
great post, Christy
once again you cut right through the baloney to get to what matters.
Good morning Christy and fdl gang. Hope everyone is well.
Pretty good article in Time magazine. Pretty hard on Tricky Dick and Scooter.
Time
I still want to know more about how Cheney and Scooter ‘processed’ raw intelligence, especially what they knew about the Italian forgeries about Iraq trying to buy yellowcake from Niger. There is a book called “The Italian Letter” coming out early April about this.
I’m sure that the WH still considers it an on-going criminal investigation. As Novak points out, the underlying criminal act has yet to be established. As Fitz pointed out at his presser announcing the Libby indictment, he was unable to determine whether a crime had been committed because of Libby’s perjury and obstruction. Since the underlying crime has yet to be exposed, don’t expect the WH to comment until the statute of limitations has run out (and not even then). Since Libby would rather go down than roll over, it’s a standoff.
Just found this cartoon that really belongs in the last post…..maybe TRex & AZMatt (hope I remember his handle correctly) will see it:
Smackdown of C**lter from one of my favorite political cartoonists - http://cagle.msnbc.com/politic.....rffius.asp
I can’t believe the preznut is off on a 5-day trip and didn’t make a stop to Walter Reed. This president is an embarrassment to his troops.
RevDeb @ 19
oh, i agee…. sigh.
but that doesn’t absolve me of my responsibility to see if a fire can’t be built to give them a bit of encouragement.
annx, Josh at TPM was all over the yellowcake forgeries when word of them was coming out. I remember reading about them a couple of years ago. There should be some good information in his archive to sift through. Again, it’s the bloggers who are following the details of the story.
Good Morning Christy and Firedogs,
Selise,
yes. believe there was originally a resolution to establish a Select Committee to Investigate Campaign Practices
ah, but then again believe Patsy Roberts established a select committee to further probe (read shut up Feinstein & Rockefeller)Iraq Intel . . .so who knows with this gang
Re #26 - If anyone is interested in that book on the Italian forgeries - it’s full name is “The Italian Letter: How the Bush Administration used a Fake Letter to Build the Case for War in Iraq“. The link on Amazon is here:
Amazon Link
The authors are:
PETER EISNER - deputy foreign editor at the Washington Post and KNUT ROYCE - senior fellow at the Center for Public Integrity.
Hate to leave the party, but seriously have to do some work today.
Have a good morning Christy et al.
WaPo schizophrenia anyone?
The larger conflict in our society just now, writ small?
RevDeb @ 31
RevDeb I remember that too. Josh blogged a lot about it in 2004. As I remember, Josh was frustrated in getting to the ultimate source of the documents. Maybe this book will shed new light.
This just in…
No Van Halen reunion at the RRHOF induction on Monday.
I’ve noticed that Bush says he visits Walter Reed regularly. Is that true?
I know he doesn’t do funerals and I expect he did WR in the early days but is he still showing up and how often?
Anyone know?
perris @ 13
It requires a motion to unseal the GJ evidence. That motion, needs a brief. Briefs take a while to write.
Not that I think anyone has started writing such a brief. But still “the proprieties must be observed”
Bwaaahaaaahaaaa - in case you missed it yesterday -
(Josh)
Domenichi Lawyers Up
Mornin’.
I woke up thinking: maybe today will be The Day! And then realized we already had it :)
Only slightly off topic: Marcy Wheeler’s book Anatomy of Deceit has made its way into the book catalogue of the Boston Public Library.
Looks like their only copy is already out on loan! Hooray. We should send more copies to our libraries.
looseheadprop @ 39
wouldn’t/couldnt’ it be the job of a select committee to write that brief - if such a committee could be formed (and funded and staffed)?
dude @ 17
may give you a long answer to that later if there is room in the queue
dude @
17
I have no special expertise, but this administration ignores guidelines, laws, the Constitution. Prior Rethugs have too: cf Iran Contra, Nixon.
Rayne @ 20
I left to correct site on thread yesterday. Also wrote it down on a post at the office. It’s not 6(g), it’s 6(e)something (E) (i).
I’ll see if I canfind it in yesterday’s thread or else I will send it to you when I get to the office
Frankly, my dear, … @ 27
Thank you !
As my mother would say A GUILTY MIND NEEDS NO ACCUSER
Shrubya KNOWS a crime has been committed
Remember when the leak thing started in 2003? Bush said that if the leak came from his office, he wanted to know who did it, and if they did, they would be “taken care of.”
I guess it’s possible, judging from all is disconnected incompetence in other matters, that Bush didn’t know what was going on all around him. But that doesn’t excuse Rove, who DID leak the classified info.
egregious @ 40
I just hope that there’ll be more days like that!
Anon @
4
The propagandists at the AEI and Heritage Foundation are now trying the important case, the “cloud” that the real trial left over the Cheney in particular and the Bush Administration in general, in the media. They have a pitch that has been carefully worked out by the right-wing think tanks to obscure what was revealed in the real trial with red herrings and other misdirection. IMHO, they are winning that battle for lack of quoteable democratic lawmakers engaging it with well-crafted counterarguments. The bloggers are doing a great job but don’t get the coverage they deserve.
I’m particularly sick and tired of hearing the nonsense that Valerie Plame Wilson was not covert. That would imply that the CIA didn’t know that fact or didn’t know the law, when they asked the DoJ to investigate. It would also imply that Ashcroft’s DoJ didn’t know that fact or didn’t know the law when they appointed Fitzgerald. In each case, we reach an absurdity. QED
Also, I’m tired of the nonsense that she couldn’t have been covert or Armitage would have been prosecuted. Prosecution requires proof beyond reasonable doubt of knowledge of that covert status and of criminal intent, both of which would be difficult to establish in Armitage’s case. And, apparently, Fitzgerald thinks that he has a “cloud” but not a case against Cheney.
Bwhaahhhhh! Look at the new cover of Time …
Time Cover
selise @ 43
It could be the job of any of several committees that alredy exist, too. Actually, in practice I think it’s Pat that has to write it at the request of the entity who wants the info, but I’m not really sure on that w/o doing the research
LHP — thanks much; send it by email and I’ll call the usual suspects with my followup.
I see from TPM that the Senate will vote tomorrow on more subpoenas. Looks like I need to call Senator Leahy’s office and tell him there are a few more people they need to call besides the ones listed…
Today is International Women’s Day, which is a reminder of a different kind of struggle that others face on a daily basis. I know this is a concern here in this community. I’ve learned a great deal about these issues here.
http://news.independent.co.uk/.....338425.ece
annx @ 51
That’s bound to sell a lot of copies, but merchants will have to wear garlic necklaces around their necks.
mea culpa, mea culpa
yeah, I was the one calling it a ‘FDL jury’ well, right church, wrong pew - I failed to include Concern Troll in my calculations
blergh indeedy
looseheadprop @ 52
And you’ve said Pat’s done this before, yes, is quite familiar with the unsealing process?
Hmm…breadcrumbs…
looseheadprop @ 52
i’m very much looking forward to hearing more from you on this…
What happened to Fitz’s Sealed v. Sealed?
And does Congress care NOW about the Downing Street memo: “Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.”
And while we are wondering what to do next, there is this on the Guantanamo trial from the Independent (UK)
Ok, guys, now that you are riding to fame and glory on the Libby Trial coverage, when are you going to apply for a WH Press Pass? You have proved yourselves to be credible, ethical, respected ‘journalists’ with and audience that is willing to pay you to do what you do best.
It is time for the bloggers to get seats in the WH press briefing room and pose just the questions Froomkin cites.
C’mon FDL, TPM and DKos, now is the time.
OT - i called my congress critters yesterday to ask them if i could count on them to vote against any funding for a continuation of the iraq war/occupation…
and a got told by the person answering Senator Kerry’s phone that we couldn’t do that - we had to continue to provide funding for the troops already there (but not any additional troops), because if we didn’t, people would die because they wouldn’t have the armor and other things they need.
I was very disappointed by the response in Senator Kerry’s office, especially since he is trying to portray himself as working to end the war. I don’t need a lecture that uses GOP talking points to justify continuing to fund the war.
ack.. one of my cats is trying to help me type this…. thank goodness for the edit button!
“What happened to Fitz’s Sealed v. Sealed?”
I was wondering the same thing. I also don’t understand Fitz “going back to his day job.” His charge was to determine whether a crime was committed in the Plame outing. If Fitz has not yet made a determination on that issue then he is not done. If he has made a determination he must tell us (or at least the justice department) the outcome either way.
Rayne @ 20
Here ya go. I remembered that it was 6(e)3 but needed to look up the rest of it.
looseheadprop comment.
I believe that’s Rule 6(e)(3)(E)(i)
It’s true that the President and the Vice President once worked for all of us. However, that was when we had office holders who did not view themselves as royalty. Republicans, in particular Bush Republicans, are the party of royalty.
Yellow cake —- if I am not behond the times, here are a couple of links.
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=7681
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/niger-uranium.php
I love conspiracy theories and I like the one which suggests that the reason The Lobby Boys/AIPAC/PNAC (Ledeen, Wolfowitz (thus Feith too), Wolf — are three of the connections — organised the forgeries is that they proposed to smuggle yellow cake into Iraq so they could say “Oh look what we have found!!!” after the invasion. That may explain why Bush/Cheney did not need to organise a team or two of guys in white NBC suits to dash to the stores. Remember Rummy with his, “We know where they are!”
“I’m particularly sick and tired of hearing the nonsense that Valerie Plame Wilson was not covert.”
Me too. However it has never been officially disclosed whether she WAS covert. Twice (in the indictment/presser and post conviction presser) Fitz has said that Plame’s status was “classified” which is not necessarily covert. Now why in hell can’t Fitz (or somebody in CIA) end conjecture once and for all by simply telling us that either she was covert (which I believe) or that, although her job was classified, she was not covert. That could end the wingnut spin (on this issue at least) forever.
sonate @
63
I think Fitz realizes that to take the case further would be very difficult for a couple of reasons, one that I can remember from Coutdown the other night being the amount of classified information that is involved would make it presenting a case nearly impossible. (I know there is another reason but it escapes me right now)
In any case, he said the investigation was ‘inactive’, not dead and he left the door open for people to come forward with additional information and for Congress to request the investigation findings should they seek to pursue a political solution.
And THAT right there is the sticking point. Congress is giving the appearance of weakness in not proactively pursuing a Congressional investigation. They may believe that the public doesn’t want them to do this but I think they might feel differently in a couple of weeks as the verdict reverberates around the country and the prosecutors scandal starts to pick up steam. There is a sense that there is something seriously wrong and corrupt with government recently, something that is unprecedented in our 230 year history. As more and more American’s paranoia antenae start to twitch, the pressure will increase on Congress to do something before it is too late.
That is, if it isn’t too late already.
Balrog — butt boy = lackey, a position of choice.
Sorry I didn’t get back to you quicker. Mornings are hectic in the Sunshine house.
Another amazing post Christy. Thank you!
Yes, I will go back and read Froomkin and Watertiger columns, but it surely helps this addled brain to have you bring things all together so beautifully.
I hope the Peanut’s feeling better, and that you don’t get her cold. ;->
OldCoastie @
24
I’m telling ya, it’s hard to ask questions with your mouth full.
Chris Matthews called it in re Libby: canine loyalty. “Thank you sir, may I have another.”
Republicans have long held the Dems accountable for their vote to give Bush the green light for war despite their,Republicans, claim it was a last resort.The Dems who voted for it feel ostracized and in a bind for no good reason today and should just simply claim now:
A.”If we knew what the administration knew INCLUDING what they intentionally witheld from us about Iraq” rather than “If we knew what we know now we would not have voted for it” the latter being disengenuous as any idiot would not have voted for the permission to go to war.
B.Just as importantly to claim rightly if Bush himself had not run off the inspectors when he did we would not be in the predicament we are in.He made the inspectors leave,I suspect because they were not finding anything and that was not a good thing for his cause to go to war.
In other words either of these two claims would be sufficient to get the Senators or Congressmen off the hook in their support of giving the President the right of war.Why the members of Congress who supported the decision to go to war as a last resort do not even bring these topics regularly escapes me as like I stated either would resonate with everyman in this country.
A certain NYTimes reporter might have read the casting thread for the Plame Affair movie last Friday. From the NYTimes today:
portia.vz @ circa 68…
I did pick up on Fitz’ statement that his investigation was “inactive” rather than ended. Maybe he’s hoping to “flip” Libby before he goes off to jail.
“Accountability, oversight and investigation by the media and members of Congress? It is up to you and me to be certain that they do so. Let’s get to work.” AND HOW!!!!!
PUSH ENTER: “IF BY LAND!”
PUSH TAB: “IF BY SEA!”
What we are witnessing here with the “blogger’s phenomenon” is in fact our democracy’s incredible ability to self-correct and adapt. Enabled by the rule of law, our Constitution which protects political free speech as a “Liberty,” for all men. The failure of the “Press” to function and perform a vital role in our society as a watchdog is compromised by the same interests, which corrupt the political process. The “internet bloggers” are fulfilling this dutiful role in a claimed, free society. Too question any assertion by authorities against the vast information now before us, to employ reason and logic, guided by imperatives which transcends, the ignorance of “servile prejudices,” and the opportunist who manipulate for greed and power seems very American to me! Imagine the power of this vast network to conduct the business of the governed. I can! Just like the lights at the OLD NORTH CHURCH: PUSH ENTER: “IF BY LAND!”
PUSH TAB: “IF BY SEA!” or something like that!
BLOG AWAY AMERICA AND THE WORLD. UNTIL THEY PULL THE POWER CORD!!!
Balrog @
15
Balrog: Do you think that “faggot” and “butt boy” mean the same thing? Not where I come from, they don’t.
And for a little context on Coulter’s remarks, here’s Andrew Sullivan — who was at the CPAC conference:
Contrast this with Norm Coleman. I don’t think he’s “pretty” at all. He’s not the sort of guy that most folk would associate with the gay stereotype that Coulter was referencing. Instead, being called a “butt-boy” was a reference not to his sexuality, but to his subservience to Bush. Dinging Franken for calling him is rather like conservatives defending Jeff Gannon by claiming that liberals are attacking him for being gay, not for being a Bush-fluffing shill with no actual news credentials or experience and who most extensive employment has been not as a journalist, but as a male prostitute (which considering the officially anti-gay stance of conservatives is both hilarious and appropriate for us to mention).
sonate @ 67
To admit she was covert is like admiing that she was covert! It might be like spilling classified information. If you were involved in the case and you had access to classified information indicating that someone is covert, aren’t you obligated to keep that information secret, even if someone else has spilled the beans? That might be something the slimy, unethical Bushies are holding over their heads: “If you officially announce that she was covert, you may be in violation of the IIPA or leaking classified information.”
I wouldn’t put it past them.
On the other hand, Dana Priest was answering questions at WaPo the other day and she said Plame was covert. Now, whether that is just informed opinion or whether she has seen the documents in question remains to be determined. But she sounded pretty sure about it.
Thanks for posting Froomkin–I missed it yesterday. Such good stuff.
Trying to figure out the next step, and am I wrong in thinking it might be the Intelligence Committee report on the leadup to the war? The one that Pat Roberts refused to finish, that Reid (good work by JH on the weakening of his spine) closed down the Senate over? Did I miss it? Does it get revised by the information that came out in trial?
On Air America yesterday there was a discussion about how Libby lying and obstructing isn’t really the issue, and Wilson and Plame aren’t the issue, but the creation of the phoney Niger intelligence and its introduction and acceptance into the White House is where the action is. In all of this, with lots of discussion of accountability and the wingnut and MSM disingenuous pushback that there was no crime and hence “poor Scooter,” the fact that the intelligence was just plain wrong keeps getting lost. Put it this way: it wasn’t an honest mistake. The handling of the latest Doug Feith brushup is the same thing: in looking at the end and the means, we lose sight of the basic initial truth that it was all wrong wrong wrong at the start.
So I’m wondering about the intelligence committee and haven’t seen a word about it, but at the same time I haven’t seen a single mention of the number of injured US troops that are going through the broken privatized VA health care system either. The numbers are more than anybody expected (we’re liberators, right?), but what is that number? I’m sure I could find it if I tried–is it in the WaPo coverage–but the fact I haven’t seen it in any of the coverage seems to say something.
LA Times pretty disappointing strong rightward tack on Libby and US attorneys this morning too, fyi.
looseheadprop at #44
Yes, I will come back later and read. Again, I am not a lawyer, so go slow. As to ignoring DOJ guidelines, yes I know this was reported as well; however, Isikoff is reporting Bush Administration and DOJ have been very scrupulous about them and wanted never to pardon anybody as a matter of course from the start of the Administration.
And then the irony: the guidelines were written in the wake of Clinton’s pardon of Mark Rich, brought to us courtesy of Scooter Libby.
Yellow cake — and here is a link to lots of source info
http://www.sourcewatch.org/ind.....d_Articles
We are all saying ‘outing’ of Valerie Plame. Until we know better from the CIA, what we know is that she was NOC based in the US just now but working abroad, thus she was “betrayed” and “exposed”, which means the not unclever foreign services now know who were many of her assets.
That betrayal was a treasonous act.
We demonise Cheney as reacting so violently out of pique after Joseph Wilson’s article. I believe his violent reaction was because Joseph Wilson risked his whole WHIG forgery action being exposed.
That is where the gutless members of The NEW Best Congress Money Can Buy should be going but will not, of course, because they are TNBCMCB.
Bionic @
38
Just a wild guess, but I’d imagine we could easily count the visits by the number of photo-ops he got out of them.
I don’t trust the little emperator any farther than I could throw him, and my arm’s not that good anymore…. jus sayin….
There’s widespread agreement that Dick Cheney should be answering questions about his role in the Plame Affair.
Is the Senate Ethics Committee a good place to start?
- As an officer of the Senate Cheney appears to be held to the same ethical standard as any other member, officer and/or employee of the Senate.
- An ethical Chair such as the one we have in Senator Boxer might be inclined to protect the integrity of the Senate by looking into the behavior of one of its officers.
- The current President of the Senate claims a never-neverworld life between his office there and the office he holds in the Executive Branch. The Senate’s rules claim juristiction over a Senate Officer’s behavior whether on or off duty and perhaps the position as Senate President isn’t quite the hiding place the current office holder thinks it is.
- The filing of a complaint with the Committee appears to be relatively easy and can be done by just about any citizen. (although I imagine a number of citizens joining together as one voice would have a better chance of being heard) In fact, even a media report can spur an investigation. (If I was a Calfornian I would sure be asking my Senator if she has begun an ethics investigation into the Senate President’s behavior in light of media reports during the Libby trial)
Aside from the Chair (Boxer), the makeup of the Committee (Pryor, Salazar, Cornyn, Roberts, and Thomas) doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence that Senate President’s ethical or unethical behavior would be the deciding factor in any determination from the Committee, but the Libby trial has shown the posibility of unethical behavior on the part of the Senate President, at the very least, and this Committee is supposed to be the place where such questions are investigated.
sonate @ 74
Nah. Gah. Happen. If Libby is a RWA (Right wing authroitarian follower), and if some is telling him to take one for the team, he is most likely to shut up and suffer in jail than spill it.
Maybe someone else may say something. But I doubt it. Nope, I think this is a job for Conyers, should he choose to accept it. Calling for the documents would be agood first start
One other thing we are overlooking is the Wilson’s civil suit. There is a possibility that that’s where we will see the fireworks.
I read Debra Saunders (sp?) editorial in the local paper this morning (if you want a link I will try to find one) and it was nothing but right wing spin, comparing Libby to Clinton, etc. But she did write that she followed the trial while sitting at her desk…and we all know the only way she could have done that would be via FDL!
sonate @
63
Agreed. Libby’s lies obscured the facts & made it impossible to ascertain whether to prosecute for the Plame outing (or why the OVP decided it was so important to discredit Wilson to begin with). Fitzgerald’s announcement & withdrawal allows all that to conveniently be kicked under the carpet…
cbl @
56
can’t help wondering here…
When she eventually learns of Irving’s active role in neocon-mania-land, will her tears dry up a bit?
gracious but she was enjoying being called “such a nice person” by Tweety last night.
oogh… her little 15-min., I guess… then back to ignoring the outside world(?)
sonate @ 67
Could I get some help here from one of you legal eagles?
I just don’t understand why the CIA would ask for an investigation in the first place if she was not a NOC.
So in my mind, the fact that the CIA did ask for this investigation proves that she was.
IANAL, so am I being simplistic here?
Is there some other reason for an investigation if she wasn’t a NOC?
If she wasn’t a NOC, but Libby thought she was a NOC and talked about her to reporters, he couldn’t be in any jeopardy for thinking he was committing a crime, could he?
I mean if I think I’m running a red light, I can’t be arrested for it if the light really isn’t red.
Good morning, all!
Sealed v. Sealed - my understanding is that this did not necessarily have anything to do with Fitz. It was simply proceedings Judge Walton was hearing. Correct me if I’m wrong, but my memory is that we know about it because there was a note on the courtroom door saying that Sealed v. Sealed would be before the judge for discussion one morning during this trial - but it is complete conjecture to assume it has anything to do with Fitz or any of the players in this scandal (Cheney, Rove, etc.)
egregious (64) — thank you, thank you. Must have been using wrong search criteria. Now off to do some more crunching on this.
portia.vz (83) — you’re forgetting there’s another authoritarian in the Libby picture. I suspect that Mrs. Libby is more likely to have some clout, having literal access to the shorthairs, than a few other folks. Believe me, if I were Mrs. Libby, Mr. Libby would be singing.
By the way:
If Bush pardons Scooter, he’d be violating his own Justice Department’s guidelines — which were set up with a grand flourish and final pot-shot at Bill Clinton — to do so.
Darn! Gotta go - appointment this a.m.
There’s so-o-o much in this thread. Can’t wait to return & read s’more. Thanks everyone!
bye for now… ;->
Elliott @ 87
You are feeling what is commonly referred to as “cognitive dissonance.”
It’s that simple. The CIA referred the case to the DOJ because Plame was NOC.
It’s work of the VRWC to do what it can to extend the cloud over the VP to the entire case itself, otherwise the public would storm the White House and demand VP’s ouster. He’s been hanging by a thread for most of both terms; a little more clarity and VP’s outta’ there.
Rayne @ 89
please elaborate, esp. in re “the wife”. oh puleeze do!
Dear Friends, despite my screenname: I grew up in Germany and was very sensitized from an early age with regard to the mechanisms of totalitarianism.
I never thought I would see the day when the word “liberal” has turned into a four letter word, such as in the US today. And the word democrat seems to be headed that way as well. In today’s Germany, “liberal” means very much middle of the road, and so it is almost laughable that here it is now purported as radical - aside from its original meaning.
That said: I feel since a very long time that the democrats are asleep at the wheel, even after their Nov. gains. Yesterday, the general conclusion in the media seemed that congress will not further pursue the Plame Leak, and Fitz will not continue his investigation. Nothing solved, all questions open, criminal activities still not investigated, the country being misled, and case closed??? It is sad.
Thanks for FDL Team, I only found you after the Toensing article two weeks ago.
Exactly.
A handy-dandy debunking of this and other right-wing TreasonGate myths can be found here.
In Salon today, Sid Blumenthal writes about Bush’s White House book club:
James Joyce @ 75
don’t be surprised if they do.
portia.vz @ 77
She sounded DEFINITE about it to me.
More from Sid:
According to msgop, Fitzgerald is unimportant and only juror number 10’s opinion has any value. She dismssed Fitzgerald’s claim of a cloud as so much rhetoric and wants to pardon Libby because Judy Miller said he was a nice guy who looked cute in a cowboy hat.
Sealed v. Sealed… it is complete conjecture to assume it has anything to do with Fitz or any of the players in this scandal (Cheney, Rove, etc.)
I believe that’s correct. Nobody really knows and we can only speculate.
I just don’t understand why the CIA would ask for an investigation in the first place if she was not a NOC.
Agreed that it’s a reasonable assumption to make, but it’s exasperating that four years later we still must “assume” that she was covert instead of “knowing” that she was. I realize that there might be some additional “declassification” issues, but the damage to our country (and to Plame) was done by her outing. Now she is neither covert nor a CIA employee, so I can’t see additional damage if either Fitz or the CIA would simply confirm what most of us already assume.
Adie @ 93
I think this picture that our Pat_AlexVA took says it all.
What do you see in this picture?
maunga @ 66
On Tuseday, Dave Lindorff had an article at CommonDreams.org in which he indicates that he thinks that the “real story” of Libbygate is the one about the forgeries. I don’t know if he has anything new. So far as I know, eRiposte has analyzed that one from every possible angle.
portia at #77:
This is the toughest wingnut (and mainstream) argument to rebut: “there was no crime”.
It is nothing but a semantic contortion. Of course there’s “no crime” until an investigation takes place and the appropriate charges are filed. Fitzgerald shoots down this talking point at length in his 2005 post-indictment press conference. I recommend it as a refresher. As for the particular crime at issue here, Fitzgerald said he was “100% sure” Plame was covert and in the linked-to press conference says “her cover was blown”.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10.....muJKjFxdgQ
looseheadprop @ 39
I beleive there is not one thing more important in politics today then finding the people who lied us into war and holding them accountable for what they’ve done to this country, this planet and our children for generations to come at a price untold
Here are a few thoughts:
The Libby apologists are saying that while Plame was probably “classified”, she may not have been “covert” as covered under the IIPA. Okay, even if this is true, then people who STILL have security clearances gave out classified information. Like Rove. This is a tree to bark up.
And Congress could easily investigate a simple question, was the outing of Brewster-Jennings responsible for getting our people killed or destruction of an intelligence operation? The Intelligence committees could easily answer these yes or no questions without further releasing classified info publicly.
Biodun @ 96
Interesting that Tsar Nicholas II felt exactly the same way, as the Russian empire slid into ruins.
Nicholas fired everyone around him who tried to steer the country back onto the right path. The intelligent leaders were all removed from power.
But he had God on his side. Or at least that’s what Rasputin convinced him thru his wife.
I’ve been getting a lot of email lately from Carl Levin regarding his actions about the conditions at Walter Reed and other militiary hospitals. It seems that the armed services committee is pretty tied up with that one.
I’m torn at how to prioritize what Democrats should do - and I bet they are, too. Getting to the bottom of the problems at our military hospitals is probably the top priority - we owe it to our people to provide them with the best care we can.
Second, they need to get to the root of the problem - we have so many injured soldiers coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan. Bush’s actions are making this WORSE. Now he’s sending more poorly-equipped, overworked and undertrained troops directly into harms way (the “surge” with few Iraqis and no other foreign troops). And, he’s sabre-rattling with Iran. The Congress has to take action to stop this President from continuing to expose our military to such danger. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - Bush’s policy is “send unarmed troops over there so we can leave our borders vulnerable here”.
As much as I want investigations into how Bush got us into this mess, I think it is only right to put the need for these investigations behind the need to make sure our military is currently being used correctly, and will be used correctly in the future. Soldiers are dying every day, and we need to put our attention on saving them and using our military appropriations wisely (hey, remember the recommendations of that 9/11 commission thingie?) After Congress modifies war funding and strategy, and ensures proper care for our military personnel, then it is time for them to look into the crimes that have been exposed by the Libby case.
All that said, I’m not suggesting that blogs and reporters should drop the story. On the contrary. We should continue to demand answers, to investigate what we can and keep this story alive. And, most importantly, we can’t let the right wingers dominate debate with their spin of the Libby verdict. We should be very vocal about how the Vice President’s Chief of Staff is a convicted felon, he has been convicted of lying to the FBI and to investigators to coverup his and Cheney’s involvement in outing a CIA agent and misrepresenting intelligence that led us into this war.
For an nice summary and timeline chronicling the Cheney meltdown that led to the outing of Valerie Plame, check out Ray McGovern’s recent article.
Why Cheney Lost it When Joe Wilson Spoke Out.
Rayne @ 92
Oh thanks Rayne, I thought maybe there was some obscure reason that would make the prosecutor go-through-the-motions and interview the principals in the BushCo administration (the unprincipled principals, to be more precise.)
The three hour meeting at the hotel with Libby and Miller. They sat in a public restaurant or bar for this time, or in the lobby, for 3 hours? A high profile Admin official and a known journalist?
I have wondered just the nature of the relationship between Libby and Miller for a long time.
She never wrote about the information from the meeting.
I also think Miller could be some kind of “asset” that is planted.
Whatever. I just think a 3 hour meeting in some public place would not have been easily overlooked somehow.
While it may be murky *to some* whether or not Rove’s leaking was criminal;
It was, without question, negligent and more than ample grounds for removing any security clearances.
The failure to do so is negligent as well.
This is a message that even card-carrying GOP can understand.
Plame’s status was classified, never de-classified, and disclosed to non-essential persons for purely political ends.
Such actions cannot be tolerateed or allowed repetition.
This is a matter of public record, and must be acted upon immediately.
Meanwhile, Salon’s Tim Grieve lists a few of the scandals that “political pundit” David Gergen said (on CNN) the Bush Aministration had been free of for six years until the Libby case:
Elliott @ 109
in addition, the judge and fitzgerald have both said unequiviacally that this was a covert asset involved in issues of national security
Phoenix Woman @ 95
Thanks PW,
and thanks for that link, too.
Elliott @
87
And why would Ashcroft’s DoJ appoint a special prosecutor unless they had CIA assurances of a possible crime?
There are covert operatives that have “official cover,” i.e., that aren’t NOCs. It’s a crime to divulge their identities as well. Also, it’s probably a crime to knowingly and intentionally divulge other classified information.
Anon @ 4
The Washington PostIt strikes (out) again.
For information of commenters here—
You can edit your own amazon book review at any time in the future. In case you might have made a spelling mistake in the title.
Biodun @ 96
What! Bush isn’t reading Anatomy of Deceit?
When they argue Plame wasn’t covert, they’re simply lying. What makes them feel they can get away with this lie is the fact that we don’t have access (am I mistaken?) to the text of the CIA’s request for an investigation, and the particulars of her status are not mentioned in the indictment. All I was able to find was a description of the CIA’s request as one to investigate “possible violation of criminal law concerning the unauthorized disclosure of classified information”. In Fred Hiatt’s and wingnut world they use this to make the semantic contortion that there was “no crime”.
We do, however, have Fitzgerald’s word for it.
portia.vz @
77
Larry Johnson, a former colleague of Valerie Plame at the CIA, has written extensively about her status as a NOC, e.g., http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/7/13/04720/9340
DrEvilPuma, others:
Yesterday I agitated on this site for some kind of collective cancellation of Post subscriptions and didn’t get much of a response. So, I’ve written the usual suspects, indicated I’m cancelling, and will cancel effective Monday all by my lonesome (I want my Sunday paper). I urge others to do the same.
From the BBC:
Yes, Bush will visit these four countries. But not Venezuela, Bolivia, Paraguay, Chile, Argentina, or Peru. We know why. Let’s hope he walks around on Air Force One in-between countries. Or else he’ll have blood clot like Darth.
I read yesterday on HuffPo that the Wilson family is moving “out west”. It’s really terrible what they’ve been through. They likely have to be careful for themselves and their children, as Valerie Plame’s identity as an agent was exposed for political reasons.
Why the hell doesn’t the rightwing noise machine get that? Oh, that’s right… they don’t want to see it that way.
brendan @ 120
We also have the fact that Ashcroft’s DoJ appointed Fitzgerald. Presumably they did their “due dilligence” and established the possibility of a crime. And presumably that would involve determining that the information divulged was of a nature that it would involve a crime were it divulged “knowingly and intentionally.”
Rayne
Mrs. Libby & shorthairs - bwaahaahaa - have been clinging to those hopes for some time now , and will continue to do so right up until sentencing ;)
EvilDrPuma
Thank you for reminding me of Anon @ 4. Does the WaPo wonder why Cheney flapped about so much and why Libby lied if no crime had been committed. Perhaps they might like to write an editorial discussing how dumb Cheney and Scooter are for putting themselves in the wringer there having been no crime.
brendan @ 120
Moreover, the particulars of Plame’s status are irrelevant to the indictment. Libby wasn’t charged and tried for the leaking Plame’s status as such because it was the perjury and obstruction he was tried for that kept Fitzgerald’s investigation from advancing that story to a state of disclosure that would permit charges. The whole goddamned point that the “no underlying crime” stenographers at the Washington PostIt refuse to acknowledge is that Libby was on trial for willfully getting in the way of investigating an alleged underlying crime, not for committing it.
We should take Fitz at his word- this thing is over. Rover got five tries at the grand jury to make it right. Cheney was never really touched. This looked like a case that could help topple the administration- and it has helped- but the administration has toppled itself in the meatime with various pieces of incompetence, arrogance, and dishonesty. Bush is done- trouble is there are still nearly two years left in his term. The public is nearly unanimous in wanting him GONE- but he will stick around for twenty two more months- like a porta pottie that no one can empty.
He appears to be taking a smell test to determine whose bottled flatulence he is smelling. Rove’s, Cheney,s Rice’s or his.
OT- Pat Lang pulls no punches in his assessment of Nicholson & Kiley & their roles in the military healthcare scandal. Title of today’s post from him: “Who Will Rid Us of These Men?”
http://turcopolier.typepad.com.....id_us.html
flounder @ 106
Right after Libby was indicted, Bob Woodward stated, on Larry King, that the CIA had done an assessment and no damage was done.
I’ve always wondered if he was given another lie to spread or if just flat out lied on his own.
ps whoever dubbed him Bob “group-think” Woodward was spot on.
Rayne @
89
You may be right. There is a Newsweek article that states that Libby doesn’t meet justice department guidlines for a pardon. According to the DOJ, a petitioner has to wait 5 years after a conviction and has to express his remorse. If that’s true, Bush would be trampling on his own criteria for pardoning if he does it for Libby. He might do it on his way out the door. What are they going to do to him at that point? Impeach him? But if Bush doesn’t and a Dem takes the WH, Libby could be looking at a loooong prison sentence.
So, if Mrs. Libby is at all concerned that a pardon may not be forthcoming, she might apply the pressure he needs to crack. You have to ask yourself tho’, who does Libby fear more? His wife or the Bush mafia? And if it’s his wife, will the wingnuts ruin him? You can bet on it.
brendan @ 120
we have more then his word for it, we have the judge saying it in no uncertain terms;
from here
That picture of Dear Leader is a hoot. I once did that with a bottle of glacial acetic acid that my dad brought home (he’s a chemist) and nearly burned out my nostrils. Then there was the time my brother made chlorine gas in the back yard and I stepped into the yellow cloud to take a whiff ….
new thread.
From the BBC on Petraeus’s press conference this morning in Baghdad:
Then what the f*ck are we doing there?
Dr. Evil Puma at #127:
Yes. Talking at great length with a wingnut colleague the other day about this was a useful, if painful, intellectual exercise. They find the notion of law very alien and regard it with disbelief, especially the idea that really powerful people should go through “the meat grinder”, as Cheney rightly calls it. I explained that the narrowness of the charges may have been necessitated by a lot of considerations on Fitzgerald’s part, and if this were really a political “witch-hunt” he would have made the broadest assertions possible.
Wigwam @ 121
Ya’ but the American public hasn’t heard it officially from a government official. Larry Johnson can scream it all he wants. He is knowledgeable but doesn’t have the same authority as Fitz, for example. People can be made to doubt Johnson or Priest. It’s harder to ignore Fitz or Patrick Leahy and they might be preohibited from saying what they know.
IIRC, there is a 600 percent increase over the prior year in the increase in the number of Americans filing for bankruptcy. Levin and Norm Coleman were on the credit card industry last night. Norm had to pretend to care. I digress. Investigating the usury committed by Joe Biden’s favorite companies is a good thing, but not the most pressing issue by a long shot.
Bush’s policies have put us in this pickle by design. The Libby Verdict is the key to unravelling the entire gang. Congress needs to get on this in a big way.
Why is Karl Rove still employed by Dubya. I know he’s Dubya’s brain, but Bush said he would fire anybody involved in leaking classified information. Rove was proven to be involved in exactly that. Bush must fire his brain.
wigwam@ circa 115…
“There are covert operatives that have “official cover,” i.e., that aren’t NOCs. It’s a crime to divulge their identities as well. Also, it’s probably a crime to knowingly and intentionally divulge other classified information.
I agree, but therin lies the rub. Although divulging otherwise classified info is usually against the law it’s outside the scope of IIPA, and it’s certainly not treasonable. However, if Plame were a NOC (and I belive she was) then both treason and IIPA charges are possible.
I can’t understand why nobody asked Fitz this simple question: “You say that her status was ‘classified’, but was she a NOC?” Fitz either says “Yes” or “No” or possibly “I can neither confirm nor deny…” Then, unless Fitz responded “No”, we’d have another club with which to beat wingnuts over the head.
“What Has Happened to Dick Cheney?”
In a bit of surprise, a columnist I never usually read, Jim Hoagland, has a piece today that raises the question of whether Cheney is “mentally ill”.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....02044.html
So many questions still demanding answers:
• How often does the President selectively declassify material expressly to leak it to the press?
• Who gave the order to Karl Rove to discuss Valerie Plame with reporters? The President or the Vice President?
• Why does Karl Rove still have access to classified information? Why is Mr. Rove still working at the White House?
• Mr. Bush, will you, as you said you would, fire any member of your administration who outed an undercover agent?
• Mr. Bush, will you promise that you will not pardon Mr. Libby?
• Mr. Bush, do you agree with your father that there is no more despicable act than outing an undercover agent?
• Mr. Bush, shouldn’t all Americans be angry when an undercover agent’s identity is revealed?
LandOfTheFree in 124:
From the NYTimes:
brendan @ 138
You explained, but I doubt he got it. Apart from cognitive dissonance and dogmatism, one of the thought processes supporting wingnuttism is a simple refusal to analyze information and reduce it to its most parsimonious meaningful form.
OT (sort of): Is anyone else feeling a profound sense of relief at hearing the latest right-wing talking point that George Bush’s steady leadership has prevented any attacks on US soil since 9/11? I kept having this recurring nightmare that a terrorist was mailing weaponized anthrax all over the east coast. I’m so glad George Bush’s capable leadership kept something like this from happening.
portia.vz at #138:
Fitz has said it twice, unambiguously, after the indictment and in comments after the verdict.
He can’t elaborate further, and has no need to, because he only knows she was “covert”; he doesn’t know what the specific crime was because his investigation was obstructed.
I think the Mrs Libby angle deserves some thought. She’s a smart high-powered attorney. So was he, before working for Darth. I think the two of them (particularly she) may harbor a LOT of resentment at his being the fall guy for a bunch of knuckleheads who have screwed up everything they have tried to do. Just imagine the conversations after the kids have gone to bed. Yikes.
Wigwam @ 116
thank you for correcting me on using the term “NOC” instead of being more accurate and using the term “covert.” It is a distinction with a difference.
Gromit @ 148
I wonder, though, because no matter what Wells tried to tell us in his opening (and never followed up on), it’s hard for me to figure Scooter to be anything but a fully cognizant, willing fall guy. It’s not that Cheney or Rove or Bush screwed him over, it’s that he happily fell on his sword to protect them (or at least Cheney).
zhiv @ 78
The figure I heard on the radio late last week is 205,000 wounded since the beginning of the Iraq debacle. This is in addition to the earlier vets who are getting, or trying to get, VA treatment. Right now we’ve got WWII, Korea, Vietnam and Gulf I vets attempting to get treated too.
Keep in mind that the last Congress did not pass the appropriation bills for 2007 — for the first time in history, most Federal agencies are running under a continuing resolution for the remainder of this fiscal year.
What that means is that most Federal agencies are getting less money than they need to keep things running (some bases couldn’t pay their utility bills last year). The Veterans Administration did not get the funds they asked for, and the number of verterans needing care is only going to increase…
Do not be surprised if some Federal agencies have to furlough employees and shut down facilities during the last quarter of this fiscal year. If this happens, it will be in July, August and September. And one area that is likely to be affected are National Parks.
mulligatawny @ 94
Indeed. In the 1950’s, today’s “liberal” would have been an Eisenhower Republican. Thing is, the (neo)conservatives have moved the political center in the US somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan so that yesterday’s liberal centrist is today’s far-left radical. Eisenhower would have been forced out of the Republican Party around 1980.
hackworth @ 140
in addition, there is no question cheney was involved
I’ll tell you what;
the president could actually salvage his legasy if he himself initiated an inquiry into impeachment against the vp
And from the Guardian, we have the sublime Steve Bell’s take on the conviction. I’m sure it was hard to decide which of Dorothy’s companions Cheney should be, since the man has no brain, no heart, and no courage.
“Eisenhower would have been forced out of the Republican Party around 1980.
You’re correct, along with George Romney, John Volpe, Bob Finch, Nelson Rockefeller, Bill Scranton and any other non-Koolaid drinkers!
I’m sorry, “mentally ill” is not in the piece. “Losing…his mind” is.
brendan @ 138
(my bold)
Yes, this seems to be overlooked in the MSM.
Fitz bent over backwards giving the BushCohorts breaks during his investigation, I mean, Rove went back to the Grand Jury FIVE times.
And too bad Victoria Novak ended up tipping Rove off about Cooper’s (I think) testimony.
Thanks, Brisingamen 151.
Wow. Call it 200,000–not to disparage the problems and suffering of 5,000 soldiers, but round numbers, especially big ones, can be more effective.
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, but it’s a shocking total. And I’m definitely NOT surprised that no one seems to be running the numbers as part of the story, but even with all of my cynicism I don’t really understand how it’s possible. When you’re writing or doing a story on Walter Reed and injured soldiers, how do you not mention that 200,000 soldiers are working their way through the system.
In fact, the number seems too high, if only because we have 125,000 troops in Iraq, even including the escalation, so we probably need some confirmation on it. It’s a good place to start, however, and whatever the number turns out to be, it’s going to be surprisingly high.
One reason that I heard recently, in the midst of all of this, is because the triage is so much better than it was in previous conflicts (Vietnam, WW2), the death count, as high as it is, is dramatically lower than it would have been. So the 3000 number could be 10,000 or more except that soldiers are now surviving horrible injuries that would have certainly killed them in the past. When you start that calculation, and factor in the number of Iraqi dead (600k , and that’s dead, not wounded) then 200,000 becomes more plausible.
Fresh thread, gang — forgot to let everyone know. Oops — sorry.
I’m sad the Wilsons are leaving the D.C. area under the circumstances that may have been the deciding factor. I wish them well and thank them for their patriotism and service to our poor adrift country. I feel not a shred of sadness for Mr. and Mrs. Libby who will not come close to getting the punishment they deserve. As for the children, their father should have thought of them.
By the way, it’s interesting Mrs. Libby uses the name Harriet Grant when Hillary Rodham was pilloried for the same thing.
Pat Lang in his blog explodes the WashPo editorial by republishing Robert Perry
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/the_athenaeum/
” “WPost’s Editorial Fantasyland”
By Robert Parry
March 8, 2007
“Fred Hiatt’s Washington Post editorial page and George W. Bush’s presidency have a lot in common - most notably an arrogance of power so extreme that they believe their very words can alter reality.
With Bush, that record has been well established, from asserting that Saddam Hussein never let the U.N. inspectors in to hyping progress in the Iraq War. But editorial page editor Hiatt - in league with Post publisher Donald Graham - is not far behind.
After the conviction of former White House aide I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby for lying about and covering up the Bush administration’s outing of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, the Post’s lead editorial continues to manufacture a false history of the case, again slamming Plame’s husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson…
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I just called my district Representative and Rhode Island Senators, and emailed the following message with Senator Whitehouse. It is up to us, the American people to move this investigation forward. Our Congress will not do what they should be doing without our resolve. I know I am preaching to the choir but if you haven’t made the calls yet - please do.
Dear Senator Whitehouse, First of all congratulations - I stood at 1 mile corner with a sign bearing your name on election day.
The verdict in the Scooter Libby trial only drives home the point that this administration needs to be impeached immediately. Patrick Fitzgerald talks about the cloud hanging over Mr. Cheney and the entire administration. To save our beloved Constitution and the morale of the American people, not to mention the loss of any more lives in this murderous and otherwise devastating war, impeachment is not an option, it is our moral and constitutional duty. There is nothing is to be gained , and so much to lose, by playing this scenario out for another 2 years. I believe that you understand this. You are in a position to help make the entire Senate understand this.
Sincerely,
Tom Perrotti, retired educator and musician.
Elliott @ 119
I don’t think “Anatomy of Deceit” has many pictures!
Elliott @
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I will offer two possibilities.
1) Plame was still in covert status, and undertook missions abroad even after she returned to Washington D.C. The Intelligence Agents Identity Protection Act would cover her position in that case. The law does not mandate that the agent or officer be stationed or have resided overseas. It merely says that the agent, officer or source travel abroad in SERVICE to the agency. That could even be a one day trip to debrief a source.
In this scenario, Fitz could not prosecute under the IAIPA because a) revealing that Plame was covert would risk exposing current intelligence sources and ongoing operations.
This would clearly signal a problem with the law. In addition, the law itself appears (though this is debatable) that the individual who exposed the agent KNOW that the person was COVERT, and had the intent of exposing COVERT OPERATIONS. Thus, mere craven “pay back” for political purposes wouldn’t qualify…even though it might result in scores of agents dead or exposed. If this is the way the law was written, it is not worth the paper it was drafted upon…and protects no one. It needs revision by Congress.
2) The other possibility is Plame was not currently “covert”, and had not travelled abroad within the last five yeras. HOWEVER, her status was such that the CIA still required her activities to be classified because it would still expose covert sources and operations abroad to expiosure if the fact that she were a CIA officer was revealed. She may have be the nominal head of a “Cover Firm” which received information from sources or agents. Or many of her sources from before fiove years may have still been active and her contact with them could still be traced by unfriendly rogue nations or terrorists. Thus the CIA may have determined that five years of “home service” was insufficient to protect Plame’s contacts and staff. Thus they needed to keep her status CLASSIFIED even though she, hersel;f, was “unlikely to travel abroad”.
But I would point out that Plame’s neighbors, after being intrviewed by the Wash Po and Salon clearly stated that they were aware of her travelling abroad “on business” often and recently. Since Wilson and Plame only moved into their residence in that Washington D.C. neighborhood within the five year window that would protect covert agents it seems to me clear that Plame went abroad on CIA business, at least for short periods.
This fits well with the fact that she had a “cover” (Brewster Jennings & Associates) that no mere analyst or officer of the agency would have need of unless they were “running” a covert operation abroad.
The fact that her specific status STILL remains CLASSIFIED to this date indicates that her position was HIGHLY CLANDESTINE wityh high impact on National Security sources if exposed. It means that many of her agents, sources and operations still are at risk if the CIA details them. Otherwise Toensing, Novakula, or even the Libby lawyers ciould have simply gone to the CIA Public Information Office and received the information about her oposition. The fact is none of them CAN.
Even the WH knew that they couldn’t overtly reveal Plame’s employment to the public by merely having the CIA piont out that she was a CIA employee. Recall that Novak TRIED to get a lear statement from the CIA and all he was told was not to reveal the information…that it could pose a risk to her. Then Novak went and hunted down her “COVER” firm by looking at her FEC campaign records. That should have told him that he was revealing covert operations…but the idiot acted with craven disregard to National Security needs.
UNCLASSIFIED CIA officers and employees can easily cite their employmernt at the agency. The CIA does NOT create cover organizations or histories for them.
Just type in “CIA” or “Central Intelligence Agency” into the EMPLOYER section on the following site and you’ll find scores of CIA analysts and officers that are Unclassified employees that make political contributions to all nature of politicians and parties.
http://www.tray.com/cgi-win/indexhtml.exe?MBF=EMP
Plame is not listed as “CIA”…without having that information “leaked” to Novak she would have appeared as an “Energy Analyst” to Brewster & Jennings…and Novak would have had no idea that she was involved with covert operations.
hey, just a quick querie:
is jr. going bald naturally, or beginning to pull his hair out?
no, really! check out that thinning forest on the dome.
cinnamonape says
March 8th, 2007 at 9:40 am
I am going to be putting together a post for my Canadian readers on this issue over the next few days, and I hope you do not mind if I choose to use this comment of yours as an element in it. The arguments you put forward here are exceptionally strong and well thought out regarding her covert status and why it is so hard to get confirmation even to this day on it.
Rayne @
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omg! Too much. aaand just what were the tears signifying earlier? ohdear ohdear…