
NOTE: Good Morning! Christy will be doing a Libby trial wrap-up with Sam Seder on Air America at about 10:00 a.m. EST. Here's the link: Air America. Those of you with iTunes can also find it in Library: open Radio; Talk/Spoken Word; Air America.
Yesterday a jury of 11 of his peers convicted Scooter Libby of four felonies: giving false statements (lying) to the FBI, two counts of perjury (lying) before a federal Grand Jury and obstructing justice in the investigation into who disclosed the identity of a CIA agent. But the unamimous guilty verdicts by the jurors who actually heard the evidence did not matter to the Administration apologists who simply don't care about the evidence. Unlike Iraq, where the Administration apparently has no "Plan B," their supporters were ready with their response to the verdicts: control the media narrative, bury the obvious accountability moment, obscure the "cloud over Cheney," and more important, discredit the legal process and manipulate the eventual outcome. The coverup is in still on.
Last night those predictable apologists ran to the news programs with a massive disinformation campaign, starting with Fox News declaring the jury was "hopelessly confused" but focusing more on how "unfair" it was to poor Scooter Libby. TRex' late nite post reveals another example of the "poor Libby" theme carried out by the right wing. These were followed by similar attacks on the verdicts on CNN and MSNBC. The apologists were very clear about what they are trying to do. It is a sign of the arrogance and moral depravity of this regime and its supporters that they did this right in front of us. It began with Ed Rogers, who told Hardball's Chris Matthews that "Libby would never lie to anyone" and had been wrongfully convicted of lying. "Justice has not been done," he declared. Putting the lie to the notion that there is no connection between the Libby trial and any "underlying crime," Rogers inisisted that the worst "lie" being perpetrated in America today is the charge that the Administration lied us into a war, so Dick Cheney never had anything to cover up, . . . so Wilson was wrong. And then Rogers smeared Joe Wilson, again. He would be the first of several Bush/Cheney apologists to do that last night.
As Darth Vader once boasted, "the circle is now complete." The case began when the Vice President of the United States and his Chief of Staff (and Assistant to the President) conspired to smear an American Ambassador, Joe Wilson, and to smear his CIA agent wife, Valerie Wilson, both of whom had served their country with honor and courage. The smears were perpetrate to punish both Joe and Valerie, and to intimidate others, for telling the truth about the Administration's complicity in the false claims about WMD. If nothing more had happened, using their offices to smear decent, honorable people would be enough to earn the nation's contempt for Vice President Cheney, Scooter Cheney, Karl Rove, Ari Fleischer, and everyone else who participated in smearing these loyal Americans. But the President's men didn't stop there. They never do.
While they were smearing the Wilsons, Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, Karl Rove and others in the White House recklessly shared classified information about Valerie Wilson and then participated in a scheme to expose Valerie Wilson's CIA employment and position. In the process, they either deliberately or recklessly revealed her classified status (which Fitzgerald again asserted was "100 percent certain"), destroyed her career, blew her cover and the cover of anyone else connected with her cover operation. And all of this caused as yet unknown harm (because it's classified) to the nation's intelligence capabilities in the area of nuclear weapons proliferation, one of the most important national security topics of our age. That is why the CIA angrily asked the Justice Department to investigate the outing of one of their agents.
Now Scooter Libby, the man who the President was asked to implement this despicable scheme has been found guilty of lying about his and the Vice President's role in this shameful episode. But instead of showing the slightest remorse, embarassment or responsibility for this sorry chapter, Mr. Libby had his attorneys still proclaiming his innocence, the Vice President joined the defense counsel in expressing disappointment, Karl Rove is hiding, the White House won't comment, the President expressed concern only for Mr. Libby and his family, and the Administration's apologists are still lying and still smearing the Wilsons!
The Administration and their supporters are still trying to punish Joe and Valerie Wilson for telling the truth and still trying to cover up the roles played by the Vice President, Karl Rove and others. Who can blame the juror who noted that Libby seemed the "fall guy" who had done what Cheney directed him to do. As the juror asked, "where's Rove — you know, where are these other guys?" Where indeed.
On PBS NewsHour, Victoria Toensing did her best to continue the diversion but was obviously limited by the presence of Richard Ben-Veniste. Ben-Veniste noted the jury's sympathy for Libby possibly being the "fall guy" for others, including Cheney and Karl Rove. Toensing also noted the juror's "where is Karl Rove" comment, presumably to support the notion that indicting/convicting Libby was not fair. She then tried to restate other elements from her Washington Post hit piece by suggesting that Fitzgerald "had an agenda" and should not have brought the prosecution with so little corroborating evidence. This was just a "he said/she said" case, she repeated, and no one pointed out the trial public record: we know that this argument, at best, applies only to the single count for which Libby was acquitted and that the other four counts had more than ample independent, corroborating evidence. She characterized the smears of the Wilsons as just normal political attacks, which Wilson deserved, and which should not be criminalized. Toensing repeated the "no underlying crime" mantra. Ray Suarez asked her whether lying to a Grand Jury is a serious crime, but she dodged that. Ben-Veniste was simply too polite, and Ray Suarez too poorly informed to ferret out Victoria's calculated misinformation and smears of Fitzgerald and Wilson. It won't stop.
On CNN, Wolf Blitzer explored the "fall guy" theme with John Roberts. What does the trial tell us about Dick Cheney, he wondered? The jury had no doubt that Libby was the fall guy for Cheney and others, Robert's concluded, after showing the juror's statements. Roberts said the trial reenforced the image of Cheney as the guy pulling the strings behind the veil of secrecy. The report then noted the Wilson's civil suit and the barriers to its success. Blitzer noted that the civil suit could force Cheney and other to testify, but only if they can get beyond the barrier that Libby was "acting in the performance of his official duties." No one noted that lying to grand juries and obstructing justice are not within the scope of official duties for public officials.
The most disturbing aspect of news coverage was the number of guests who either advocated a pardon for Libby or even if they opposed it, assumed, as John Dean did on Countdown, that a pardon was inevitable if not imminent. On four different shows, I counted five or six analysts who hoped or assumed it would happen and none who said it was not likely, though there was mention of the Democratic leaders' opposition to any pardon.
In contrast, on CBS News, at least Bob Schieffer asked, "why would Scooter Libby lie?" Schieffer concluded that Libby must not have wanted anything about the Vice President's role to come out, adding that this will hurt not only the Vice President but the whole Administration. Arianna Huffington, appearing on Scarborough, spoke clearly about how dangerous this situation is; MSNBCs David Schuster did his usual excellent job on the facts, and Howard Fineman noted that the underlying story was about Iraq and Dick Cheney's role in selling it.
But the main theme was still about a pardon. On the second round of Hardball, Ed Rogers was missing, but the National Review's David Rivkin pushed the NRO argument that Libby should be pardoned immediately. He argued that the trial would hurt a free press (unlike NRO's call for prosecuting the New York Times and Washington Post, for exposing Administration lawlessness) and was unfair to Libby, so why wait. Ben-Veniste at least said Libby was carrying out Cheney's "dirty business," but Rivkin denied there was any "dirty business" to carry out. Rivkin repeated the standard apologist line that there was no underlying crime and Valerie was not covert and "everyone knows that" — three falsehoods in one sentence. Then Rivkin smeared Wilson again, claiming Wilson misrepresented that Cheney sent Wilson. He also used the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence report to continue the lie that Wilson partly validated the Niger claims. As readers here know, that lie has been thoroughly exposed and discredited by eRiposte and others.
Lies never die with these people. The guilty verdicts changed nothing for them. All of the lies that have been repeatedly discredited are still being told by the Administration's supporters without shame and too often without response. The cover up continues and is in full force. Libby is still the fire wall to protect Cheney and others, and the apologists and neocons are working very hard to make sure he stays the firewall. The strategy now seems to create a dominant view that a pardon is not only fair to poor fallguy Scooter Libby but inevitable. So there's no reason to wait.
But if that's true, then why hurry? Libby can still appeal, and the appeal may remove the guilty verdict from his record. In the meantime, he remains free. So why press the case for an immediate pardon? The most likely explanation I can think of is that the Administration's supporters may be very worried about Mrs. Libby. If she is uncertain about a pardon or its timing, she has much to lose. This is a critical time for the Libbys, and they have a choice to make. By clamoring for a pardon, those who are continuing to cover up or excuse the crimes of this Administration are working very hard to ensure that he makes the choice that continues the firewall and the cover up. This is a sorry, shameful business.
Yesterday's jury verdict was an important victory for American justice, but only if Libby's conviction leads to further investigations and is not negated. And this story is connected to the continuing horrors of the war, the exploding scandal of disgraceful conditions facing returning veterans, the suspicious firing of US Attorneys (watch TPM) and every other story we've been following about the duplicity and extreme lawlessness of this regime. If the American people have had enough of this lawlessness and the horrors it has created and justified, they — we — need to demand that Congress investigate every aspect of this matter and every story that connects to it, and then demand more indictments and prosecutions. Andrew Sullivan sums up the argument as well as any:
Something is rotten in the heart of Washington; and it lies in the vice-president's office. The salience of this case is obvious. What it is really about – what it has always been about – is whether this administration deliberately misled the American people about WMD intelligence before the war. The risks Cheney took to attack Wilson, the insane over-reaction that otherwise very smart men in this administration engaged in to rebut a relatively trivial issue: all this strongly implies the fact they were terrified that the full details of their pre-war WMD knowledge would come out. Fitzgerald could smell this. He was right to pursue it, and to prove that a brilliant, intelligent, sane man like Libby would risk jail to protect his bosses. What was he really trying to hide? We now need a Congressional investigation to find out more, to subpoena Cheney and, if he won't cooperate, consider impeaching him.
Patrick Fitzgerald and his team have done all that they could have done, given the continuing coverup. Jane, Christy and Marcy and the wonderful crew at Plamehouse did everything they could. And Joe and Valerie Wilson continue to do everything they can do. Now they all need our help. It will take a lot of pushing from all of us, because many, perhaps a majority in Congress are at least negligent, if not complicit in the true underlying crime of misleading the country into war. But holding up that mirror is the only way this coverup and the crimes behind it will end.
UPDATE: True to form, the Washington Post editorial page continues the deceitful attack on the Libby trial.
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Fitz!
angie!
Fitz.
NPR’s “On Point” today with Tom Ashbrook will be talking about Libby. It would be great if some Firepups called in!
(800)423-8255 from 10-12 EST
Howard Kurtz makes mention of Jane this morning in his Media Notes Column:
if I were Scooter, I would worry that the whole house of cards was about to blow down…
Cheney could retire for health reasons and Bush could be impeached – those aren’t odds I’d want to be betting my life on.
EPU’d, but actually even more relevant here :)
Crazy Horse @ 388
I bring you insight from Upton Sinclar: It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.
The wingnuts do not operate as good faith parties acting within political deliberations to form good policy. No set of facts, however monstrous, will snuff out their spinning, just as no set of facts will keep a good defense lawyer from advocating for their client. The wingnuts are paid advocates. If Arianna were to put enough money on the table, I guarantee you that Malkin would have a “come to Jesus” moment and start writing daily screeds for Huffington Post. Note that I do not think this would be a good use of the money.
For instance, try this on for size: “We all know how liberal the media is, and one of the jurors had a clear bias to ‘get’ Scooter Libby. He even knew many of the other liberal media figures who figured in the case. Who knows what they told him?” And I’m just an amateur at this.
Wow– what a post, Scarecrow.
amen.
Scarecrow!
Good Morning All,
was just teeing up Toesuck on the tivo – yuh ah ah!
here’s a refreshingly different (reality based) take on yesterday’s events from Matt Cooper’s atty
having trouble directly linking it – so go to Tweety page and click on it from the “More from Hardball” list just under the Edwards pic -
Tweety Page
oh yeah, preach it you handsome devil!
Thanks for expressing my sentiments on this so much better than I can. The level of spin and the enabling media is just out of control. It only serves to diminish the media outlets credibility even more than it has been already. More incredibly, the actions of those in power — hiding and having their minions speak lies to lies — is so weak it’s downright scary.
Ed Rogers counts on one of my list of the Worst Americans. He is filth, he is filthy rich on lobbying, and he has his press buddies cowed because he wines and dines them.
(This post by Digby says it all, with its description of Rogers’ 18,000 sq. ft. Surry Hill mansion, built from the spoils of his corporate lobbying. This is a fake-cornpone member of the permanent governing class, unelected and unaccountable.)
He’s a shill and an unabashed liar who needs to be called as such to his face, because he has no qualms about doing the same to others. Bob Shrum doesn’t have the courage to do it. So it’s up to whoever appears alongside him — Cliff Schecter, take that booking — to do so.
As for Fred Hiatt, he’s proved that the editorial board of the WaPo is part of the Beltway’s power structure, and as such, cannot be trusted to comment upon it.
It isn’t about party: engrained power becomes its own party, particularly in an environment like Washington. Let’s call it the ‘Cocktail Party’. And think of the the decadence of Versailles (or White Mischief), propped up by the belief that little people’s laws don’t apply to Important People. The notion of accountability is what provokes the most outrage among the pundit-politician complex.
Scarecrow – you are on FIRE! Yup if I was Mrs. Libby I would push to turn on Cheney.
The WaPo is its usual disgusting self on the editorial page today. How discouraging it must be for the few decent reporters who work there to always have the Criminals excused by the “opinion makers” at the top.
Fantastic post, Scarecrow. Thanks so much for pulling all of this together.
Wish me luck on the interview this morning, gang — The Peanut is still home sick, and I’m going to have to juggle a chatty almost-4-year-old and a radio interview. I need a miracle. *g*
We knew this would happen, but sometimes it does seem overwhelming. As Professor Foland observed on the prev thread,
So, what is the point of haranguing wingnuts? A reasonable amount of pushback, yes, stating the facts, yes, and LTE’s don’t hurt.
But I wonder, is there someone else we should be talking to? Like Congress?
See Jane go after the truth, while the rest of the media plays catch-up.
Go, Jane, go!!
pseudonymous in nc @ 11
Excellent suggestion.
Good morning, firepups! Still bitter cold here in MA, but at least the sun is out.
I’ve been searching the media this a.m. looking for other signs of the spin. But so far the “where’s Rove, where’s Cheney?” is getting a lot of play. The jurur did his job.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 14
Christy!
“All we need is a miracle…
All we need is YOU”
You could let her talk with us while you do the radio interview.
Rayne @ 16
Oh, perfect Rayne! That link’s going right up top. Gimme a minute.
See Marcy staying on top of the truth, listening and taking mental notes as fast as Fitzgerald speaks.
Go, Marcy, go!!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 14
My sympathies on the juggling. I’ll wave hi to the Peanut if I hear some noises in the background ;-)
Break a leg, Christy, and go get ‘em.
{{{ Peanut }}}}} — thanks for the dino suit, and thanks for letting your mom save the country (in her spare time). Christy, you rock!
See Scooter’s shattered defense and foundering relationship as the truth hits home, while Pat_AlexVA catches it in real time.
Go, Pat, go!!
Wishing you luck Christy!
Worst. WaPo. Editorial. Ever.
Professor Foland @
4
any idea who will be the guest(s)?
this is, as others have noted, an excelletn post. it shows the blueprint of the bushites, and why they will continue to beat their false drums relentlessly.
i am truly baffled why more people don’t get it: how this case is like the serpent’s egg, showing the outlines of the true deceitful nature of the entire iraq enterprise. and how the great efforts now being expended to shoo folks aways — like fitz said, the “nothing to see here” con — also are a piece of the very same enterprise.
the best we can hope for is that this gets some traction in the democratic congress, and that there continues to be pressure and investigations into the nihilistic behavior that has degraded our culture and weakened our nation.
yesterday was a very good day. may there be many more.
allan_in_upstate @ 26
Yikes! Not before breakfast…
what baffles me with some of the news coverage is that they act like Scooter was somehow and UNwitting scapegoat…. some sort of innocent victim in all this…
See Fitzgerald remind us “[A]ny lie under oath is serious. We cannot tolerate perjury. The truth is what drives our judicial system. If someone tells a lie under oath, it is every prosecutor’s duty to pursue that case. It is obviously a serious matter when a high level official does that under a national security investigation — it should never be tolerated.”
GO, FITZ, GO!!!
YAY TEAM!!!
musicsleuth @
29
un f’ing believable!
Rayne @ 31
Hear! Hear! And your Jane pic link is now in the last paragraph. Thanks. Everyone refresh.
Fantastic post Scarecrow, and it is wicked cold her in NYC too!
Re Mrs Libby. I speculated yesterday that given her behavior after the verdict (hurling herself tearfully at Wells and not even touching her husband) that she is one pissed off wife. Any decent defense attny would’ve explored with the Libby’s the potential dangers of going to trial and also would’ve encouraged them to consider a possible pre-trial deal with Fitz. If the Mrs was in favor of Libby doing something of this nature, and he refused to consider her feelings on this matter, her anger would be very understandable. As a lawyer herself, she would’ve been more aware than most people of the potential pitfalls. And since she is a Democrat, it is not likely that she would be too happy to see her husband choose Darth Cheney over her and her two young children.
But I think the biggest clue as to her state of mind would’ve been the constant use by Libby (and his spokesperson Wells) of the words “the wife” — which may be what his own wife is, in his mind.
Scarecrow @
33
Oh, not my pic, the pics were all Pat_AlexVa, who dropped everything yesterday and flew over to the Prettyman Courthouse to take snaps while Jane and Marcy worked the story on the ground right to the end.
An enormous THANK YOU!! to Pat_AlexVA. It was almost like being there with him on the ground to cover this. Seriously, we’d have no snaps of Jane and Marcy in action if he’d not been there.
Their lies continue. It’s all they have.
Let there be Congressional hearings, and revelations and doom.
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On Fox Noise last night, as a guest was mentioning that Libby made false statements to the grand jury, Hannity cut him off to yell “Allegedly!! Allegedly!!,” as though Libby had not just been found guilty of that in a court of law. Unbelievable.
Novak was on there as well, proudly saying that “Her cover was first blown in MY column!” Since when is outing a covert officer something to be proud of?
These clowns are unbelievable.
Thank you again, Jane and the gang, for the amazing and historic coverage of this trial.
GREAT post…thank you!
allan_in_upstate @ 26
thanks for the link. i just added my voice to the chorus of commenters at the wapo site noting the editorial’s utter lack of honesty.
exactly what is the difference between the wapo and the wsj editorial boards again?
Scarecrow, Thanks to you and all the FDL team. This post is a great one for keeping the fires burning.
Yesterday was a great day for America. If we can keep the truth coming like a train.
Rayne @
21
Marcy only takes notes when she hears something she doesn’t already know.
Thanks, Scarecrow! Your eloquence helps me see my outrage more clearly.
the cloud continues
fresh air from the Wilson page
Compare this forthright editorial in this morning’s Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lead…..31,00.html
with this piece of rubbish:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02020.html
We are in serious trouble if one of the leading newspapers in our country cannot bring itself to admit that this scandal is all about the war in Iraq, and refuses to pay any attention to the copious evidence produced publicly at trial that put a spotlight on this administration’s contempt for ethics, the press, the American public, and people who dedicate their lives to safeguarding this country in the intelligence community.
I thought John Dean did a great job on KO explaining that Libby was not just a fall guy. On the contrary, he was a hyper active participant in the neocon hive.
Rayne @ 35
The pictures are great. Kudos to Pat_AlexVA.
Has anyone mentioned that at least Matthews called the vile Ed Rogers on his contributions to the Libby Defense Fund?
Christy Hardin Smith @
14
Pssst, Christy…. E L M O
Scarecrow @ 41
Hence the “mental notes”…she was filing away verbatim in her awesome holographic memory what the Tall Man said for future use. Not fact check because I’m certain she could teach him a thing or two — if he hasn’t already read her book and blog.
DeWitt Grey @ 44
“We agree that the food riots in Paris are a distraction, and that brioche is a more than adequate substitute.” — Frederique de la Hiatt, La Poste de Versailles
Be sure to leave your comments at the end of the WP editorial. Let them know that there attempt at spin, jury nullification, and smears will not work.
WP editorial – leave a comment
CocoaBeach @ 47
Yes, that was an interesting accountability moment for Rogers. Rogers then said he’d contribute more.
Matthews keeps asking a really important question: if the VP asked the CIA for more information about the Niger claim, why shouldn’t we assume the CIA gave him a briefing about Wilson’s trip, early on — and if that happened . . . why didn’t Cheney stop peddling false info and stop the 16 words in the SOTU speech.
Larry Johnson has stated several times that such a briefing would have been routine — someone at CIA knows the answer to this explosive question, but they haven’t come forward. Hello, Congress?
We need a congressional investigation to at least put some doubt into Libby’s mind regarding the possibility of a pardon. If the congressional investigations are televised and people become aware of the things that eRipost and others have written about the forgeries it becomes clear that Bushco lied us into war. Do I think he will step down…no. But it would create some doubt about whether or not the Bush presidency is viable and can give the pardon. That doubt might be enough to push Libby to roll over, especially if it looks like the cat is coming out of the bag without him.
Lets make a push to congress, to move forward and investigate the lead up to war…We need to push hard, but I know it works!!!
I just watched teh juror on ABC, interview by Diane Sawyer. While the coverage overall was good, Diane, as usual, did not get it.
She kept wanting to know why the trial was not about the leak but the cover up. Um, Diane, obstruction of justice, mean anything to you?
A commenter on Fred Hiatt’s WaPo editoral makes a fun point (my bold):
One standard of proof for BushCo, another for everyone else, oh course!
Thank you, just thank you so much for all of your hard work in covering this trial. For those of us who live in the hinterlands and need this kind of detailed coverage, you all really came through for us. Bless you all.
From the op-edThe damage done to journalists’ ability to obtain information from confidential government sources has yet to be measured.
Oh please! Just when it seems they were done with that sales pitch, it resurfaces in an op-ed. Oh pooor Judy, Wahahaha.
Fred Hiatt needs to be fired.
pseudonymous in nc @
50
Fab quote, I think I have to cross-stitch that one on a pillow.
Brioche for everybody!!!
Now where’s that circus they promised?
In an otherwise excellent review of the danger to the verdict from the spinmeisters and liars, you cite and link in your first para.–the only one most people will read–the WaPo article on ” the accountability moment” in which Maitlan calls Wilson a demonstrable liar and pursues the spin you are covering. It also as threatens Democrats if they overdo it by launching investigations.
How could you? Did you read the piece? This blog is the watchword for attentive scrutiny and we deserve better,
Scarecrow @ 52
I have always been curious what else Fitz knows about Cheney’s involvement that hasn’t come out because the trial was about Libby and not Cheney. Would we have known about Libby’s MIB testimony without the Libby trial? The person at the CIA hasn’t come forward… publicly. I wonder what’s in the GJ files.
From EPU @184 on “The Tall Guy” I had a question (some editing):
IANAL but in the comments in these posts somewhere, someone observed that the power to issue pardons ceased if the president was under impeachment proceedings.
If this is so, it is imperitive that such start immediately. That ought to leave Libby, Libby, Libby, hanging, slowly twisting, in the breeze – to recoin a phrase, oughten it?
Just how difficult would it be to impeach investigate the spectrum of malfeasance until the term is expired and still not return to senate for trial. It might be the leash needed to put some manners on the administration and maybe impear some of the excesses.
Please enlighten as curiosity is eating me alive. All the best…….
If it hasn’t already been noted, tomorrow is International Women’s Day.
What an appropriate time to salute all the women of FDL!
CocoaBeach @ 47
Do tell!!! When will someone have the opportunity to call Tucker out for his dad’s money and role in the Libby Defense Fund?
Did the Washington Post and the Washington Times merge? They are starting to sound the same.
I’m not sure prison is the right choice for Scooter Libby. If the sentence is, let’s say, two years, how about Scooter being sentenced to spending eight hours a day, seven days a week, as an aide helping our wounded service personnel get around Walter Reed. If Scooter is in prison, he can see himself as a victim. If he is helping service personnel with brain injuries, amputations, and other injuries move around the military care system, he might eventually realize what he and his bosses did.
bg @ 54
of course it does. she was in nixon’s white house.
I don’t have a lot of faith that Congress will advance the ball on this story. They can’t even coordinate a plan to end a war that only 30 percent of the public supports.
And the White House crowd is well beyond shame. They simply don’t care anymore how much bad press they get. They have 22 months left in office and neither the Prez. nor Dr. Death is running again.
The general populace has outrage fatigue.
Thank you Jane, thank you Christy, thanks FDL Firepups esp Steelthing for financing Plame House and Anatomy of Deceit. Thanks Next Hurrah, Huffington Post, Talk Left and dKos for working together — we are not used to seeing cooperation in our society, but I have a feeling we will be seeing lots more of it. Thanks PoliticsTV for the punchy videos.
Thanks to the Plame House Team — Marcy, Swopa, Pach and Honorary Guest Liveblogger Egregious, and to Pat_AlexVA for photographs and glasses retrieval.
Thanks Looseheadprop, Mary, eRiposte, Scarecrow and all the posters and commenters who educated us.
Thanks Patrick Fitzgerald and Team Fitz for giving us honest service.
Thanks PayPal for making it easy for us to support the truth with our $. Newspapers, MSM — you are dinosaurs — adapt or die.
BTW, anyone know if/where we can hear Christy on the radio?
Sue Ri @ 66
oooh, an accountability moment, indeed.
i’ll second that emotion.
Denis Collins has a very long posting about his experiences up at HuffPo
INSIDE THE JURY ROOM
HUFFINGTON POST EXCLUSIVE
By Denis Collins, Juror #9
Denis Collins
Scarecrow, great piece. I think you are right on target. Mrs. Libby’s (Harriet Grant) body language seems to say a great deal. She was distant from her husband and the situation. She seems to be wondering why her husband is taking all of the heat for Cheney and the war machine (although Libby has been pushing for taking our Iraq quite some time). He is a warmonger and chickenhawk, Libby has plenty to answer for and has plenty of blood on his own hands. And as Matthews pointed out he is not a “scapegoat”( which would infer innocence. “Fall guy” maybe, but Libby is guilty of lying and being part of the lie machine that took this nation into an unnecessary war.
Thanks for reminding us to call and put pressure on our reps(who are not representing us) and demand further investigations.
One has to really question Victoria Toensing’s intentions (who I believe wrote the INtelligence Protection Act). Did she write the UPA to protect agents or not? Did she have some other agenda? She is oh so creepy!
Those of you who are more educated in politics and law than I can probably answer: Wasn’t there a lot of testimony, at the Libby trial. about the involvement of Cheney, Addington, Rove, etc. in the leak? Was there not enought there to pursue a trial of Libby for the actual leak, and/or perhaps Cheney et al?
looseheadprop — you out there?
Any other attorneys with appropriate background?
IANAL, need a clarification; both a 6(g) and a 3(g) motion were referred to yesterday in the “More” thread, need to know which it is before I send my fax to Conyers.
Thanks much.
My letter to the WaPo:
This scandal was propelled by the outright lies of an administration determined to drive the country to war at any cost.
Ambassador Wilson has served the United States with far more courage and honor than any member of the Bush Team, and was the best person available to investigate the alleged attempted yellowcake uranium transaction, regardless of who recommended him for the task.
The entire editorial board of the Washingtom Post needs a refresher course in jounralistic ethics. The above drivel is remarkable for the fact that it repeats nearly every lie and half-truth promulgated by apologists for the OVP over the last four years.
Frankly, Katherine Graham must be spinning in her grave to see how far The Washington Post has fallen. There was a time when your newspaper had high standards and the courage to speak truth to power. Patrick Fitzgerald is a shining example of what is right with America: a man determined to do his duty under the law without regard to partisan political concerns.
Mr. Libby is now a fingerprinted, convicted felon, soon to be disbarred, his life in shambles, because he had the hubris to think he was above the law.
I hope Rep. John Conyers soon delivers subpoenas to the OVP with an eye toward the impeachment of Mr. Cheney for high crimes and misdemeanors.
The Washington Post editorial could have been written by Cheney. Hell, it probably was. How else could it be wrong about nearly every damn fact?
bg @ 54
It’s pieces like this that remind us again and again how the Mainstream Journalists [i.e., “talking heads”] don’t have a brain among them. They spout off with such authority, but they haven’t a clue what they’re talking about. They can’t even ask intelligent questions, because that would highlight their ignorance. [I exclude Bob Schieffer of CBS from this.]
In addition, it’s such a contrast to Marcy, Pac, Christy, Jane and all the others here who are smart, but who aren’t afraid to admit when they need additional information and ask for it. Imagine what it would be like if “our folks” were the MSM!
allan_in_upstate @
26
No shit. It’s a jaw dropper.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 14
Now is the time to fire up an anime, and hand her a CHEWY granola bar. Good luck!
(I have a four-year-old, myself, and she has that universal Mommy-may-NOT-complete-a-rational-thought-while-on-the-phone agenda, too.)
dmg @ 70
I like this idea, but all of the Bush chickenhawks (including Kristol, Rivkin, Reuel Marc Gerecht etc.) all need to do life sentences at Walter Reed or outpatient work serving and waiting on the soldiers that they were so willing to sacrifice for their agendas.
Another alternative is to drop all of them butt assed naked in the middle of Baghdad and let them fend for themselves.
annx @ 51
That editorial is so sick. I don’t think I could comment on it.
the firestorm of negative comments on the
waPo’s editorial is impressive. Go there and post. It can’t help Hiatt that only one or two — out of hundreds — of the comments support him. Lots of well-informed angry concern out there. How can we harnaas it?
LaFourmiRouge @ 75
Katherine Graham blocked honest and balanced reporting on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. The Post has been in lock down for a long long time.
BTW, anyone know if/where we can hear Christy on the radio?
See the NOTE at the top of the page for the links.
all this poor Scootie stuff I’m sure he will get a job studying ethics in government like his pal Eliott Abrams
http://rightweb.irc-online.org…..g/profile/ 969
a convicted felon who was hired by goopers to work on ethics in government Scootie has a lot of work
in store for him
My letter to the Post:
Today’s editorial on the Libby verdict illustrates what has become the modus operandi of your editorial staff in the years since the Bush administration manipulated the evidence to sway them and the American people into supporting the invasion of Iraq.
To maintain the “we weren’t wrong” position, your editorial writer has had to cultivate an indifference to the evidence in both the case against Libby and the case for war — even when that evidence has appeared on the front page of your newspaper. This is sad and strange to witness.
Not content with that, the editorial writer has resorted to easily disproved canards regarding both the covert status of Valerie Plame and the decision-making of the prosecutor. This is inexcusable.
(By the way — if Richard Armitage had never opened his mouth, do you really think that Karl Rove and Scooter Libby would have behaved any differently? I thought not.)
Ultimately the history of the Bush years will be written, probably by both historians and journalists like Tom Ricks and Dana Priest. How ironic it will be when they have to point out the role that their own paper’s editorial staff has played in helping the Bush administration flout the rule of law, the rules of evidence, and the rules of common decency.
elef @ 73
There was a lot of testimony, but the difficulty is that their knowing about Valerie Wilson and her classified status, and their not LIKING what Joe Wilson wrote, does not equal a leak by those people. Suggests a conspiracy maybe. We don’t know what Fitz has, really. His case is “inactive,” not closed. We don’t know. The White House was allowed to know about Valerie Wilson. They were allowed to not like what Joe Wilson wrote. Where the info got out AND where state of mind suggested a desire to hide his release of info, centers around Libby. (And Rove…what did he DO to get out of this?)
There is, in my mind, a preponderance of evidence that Cheney directed Libby to smear Wilson, but preponderance works better in a civil suit. That’s why I’m going to help out with funding the wilson’s suit.
Congressional Oversight!!!
Pat_AlexVA @ 61
Matthews ended his one hour last evening focused on this issue. Thank you to Chris Matthews for dogging this. I swear he is one of the only mainstreamers doing his job.
If Scooter’s wife is upset at the turn her life has taken, has she thought about the fallout if hubby hadn’t lied for vp & others? I can’t imagine it would have been anything other than rapid, vicious retribution.
Before Abu Gonzales fires our favorite USAttorney, Why don’t we start suggesting to the intelligence committee of the House that they hire our FITZ to be lead council to explore the failures of intelligence that led to the Iraq war? He certainly knows more about the push by Cheyne to keep touting mushroom clouds.
Pseudo linked to this way up top. Excellent post by digby. The pig pickin’s party would also be an excellent name for this group.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com…..se-of.html
Thanks for the post scarecrow and to all the other FDL’rs. Our work is never done, the lies never stop, truth is always being covered in sh*t by this administration and friends.
these people have no shame. none. never let them cop out on an ignorance plea. they are liars. period. they deserve nothing. we must fight them every single step of the way. give them no mercy and do not let them shout us down. the war is right here, every bit as much as it is in iraq and afghanistan.
According to Greg Palast, Conyers is hearing testimony today on the vote tampering. Palast says the new USA in Arkansas is the guy who made the caging lists for purging voters on behalf of the GOP in FL. In 2000. Nice huh?
More work for Conyers. . .good work Palast!!
Just a short note, the NewsHour is produced by WETA. Richard Carlson, father of Tucker, and member of the Libby Defense Trust, also serves on WETA’s Board of Trustees.
John Dean has the goods on Fred Thompson, Apologist-in-Chief, having depantsed him quite nicely during the Watergate hearings thirty-three years ago. I’d like to see him speak out, but in a venue with a bigger readership than FindLaw.
There’s a better editorial from the Chicago Tribune here.
UPDATE: Decided to add the closing here:
Alice @ 95
Thanks, Alice!
OMG!!! Collins the Juror has a looong post at HuffPo, and boy can that guy write! It is riveting.
My letter to the Post “How does a fine journalist and honest American like Walter Pincus stomach these lies from the editorial board? You repeat the untruth that Wilson charged Cheney with sending him to Niger. Your papers reputation for accuracy and fairness suffer at your hands.”
Please, Walter, you have a pension. Your kids are through college. Quit the Post and join the REAL journalists at FDL!
Scarecrow, what a GREAT piece. Thanks
bg @ 94
Yup, and I’ve noted that over at MercRising.
Alice @ 95
Did anyone note how NPR’s All Things Considered opened with: The Libby defense team says that Libby’s innocence will be completely vindicated?
Elliott @
71
Wow. Thanks for that link, Elliott; Denis can certainly write well. This must have been what he did in his slack time while on the jury. He made excellent use of his time, I’ll say.
Reads like a novella. I’m only a third of the way through a story of which half I should already know by heart and it’s still gripping.
Here’s another question: Why is Pelosi sitting on her hands? Why aren’t the democrats putting impeachment back on the table? I’m so disgusted I could scream!
Sounds like there’s a book in Denis.. Hope so. He’s got the story and if he can write it, it will be a spellbinder. Go Denis
I can’t believe how many times Clinton’s name came up in all the Repug lies on TV yesterday. Clinton lied. (Wasn’t Clinton found innocent?) Clinton pardoned Rich. (Repugs weren’t ok with that, so how does it become OK when Bush does it?) Crime, lies and scandal seem to be what the Republican party is all about.
Oh, yeah. And blame the media.
Reminder, Scooter was Rich’s lawyer. I love the smell of irony.
bwaaaahhaaaa haaaa! seem to recall just after jury selection some unwashed commenter musing that it looked like “a FDL jury” to her – yuh ah ah !
Last comment: When did the merger take place that brought us – The Washington Star-Times-ComPost, and why wasn’t it reported?
Libby is the only one headed for jail, but the verdict condemns higher government officials in absentia.
From the Philadelphia Inquirer’s editorial.
http://www.philly.com/mld/inqu…..849948.htm
The Administration has refused, and continues to refuse to comment on an ‘ongoing legal matter.”
That being the case, and considering Libby could flip AFTER a few days in the slam, it is incumbent upon the Administration to publicly declare they will not issue a pardon.
So as not to interfere with the “ongoing legal matter.”
(Issuing a pardon is prime facie interference, yes?)
Why does WaPo hate America?
Rayne @ 103
thanks Rayne, I’m still going through it myself,
but I can’t stop hitting “Refresh Comments” here cold turkey so I have to keep checking back here.
And Denis looks like Doug McClure in his prime.
for those young ones:
Doug McClure pic
From http://www.mediamatters.org
Libby’s guilty verdict: Media myths and falsehoods to watch for
On March 6, a federal jury found former vice presidential chief of staff I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby guilty on charges of perjury, obstruction of justice, and lying to federal investigators. In the wake of this decision, conservatives and other media figures can be expected to revive and advance numerous myths and falsehoods regarding the CIA leak case that have circulated throughout the media since Libby’s indictment in October 2005.
In anticipation of this misinformation, Media Matters for America has listed those baseless and false claims likely to surface in the coming days and weeks:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200703060008
Wilson civil suit, Lewinski precedent, VP can be held liable. KARMA!
If Cheney resigns for health he loses Executive Privlege re:criminal trial.
Burden of evidence much seperate for civil cases as well.
Pardons do not remove liabilty and can be considered an admission of guilt.
How many go down with him?
cbl @ 109
Heh, heh! No matter how unwashed we are, we are *still* AndreaMitchell/Russert/Scooter/Judy’s “peers.”
1-888-796-7578
Congressional switchboard. Dial away!!
I can’t recall where I saw it recently but the pundit was theorizing that we have entered a “post factual” era where there is no effort to be held to a standard of truth.
We are witnessing it in living color right now.
-GSD
good mornin’ from Toronto, fellow FDLers~
waiting to hear Christy and have Air America on~
Anyone with a little time on their hands simply MUST go read a few pages of the comments on the WAPo editorial today. It is a barrage of invective the likes of which I have seldom seen – well-informed, irate readers demanding accountability and calling out Fred Hiatt in no uncertain terms.
A Netriot if there ever was one.
Phoenix Woman @
101
That Rove acolyte has stepped down before ever taking that AK AG spot. Maybe to avoid getting grilled on just that very matter.
-GSD
Nor did it produce evidence that Fred Hiatt has stopped molesting children.
ceci @ 115
ceci — that’s a helpful post by mediamatters. Thanks for the link.
wow, that’s 2 things to read this morning:
[1] Juror Collins’ HuffPo post, and [2] the WaPo Editorial’s comments’ thread~
A Starbucks is coming to my town. The first miracle of Fitzmas! Hah!
Christy should be up soon on Air America — see the links at the top of the post.
Probably a pardon deal was struck shortly after Wells’ opening statement. That’s why no WH people (except Addington) were called as defense witnesses. Libby’s appeals will run out right at the end of Bush’s term. He may do a month or two at Allenwood, then he will be pardoned Christmas eve 2008 and head into a lucrative post-victim wingnut career.
And by that time, following the Prez. election, no one will care.
10:00 A.M. EST. Now…On the Diane Rehms show they are focused on the Libby trial. Call 1800-433-8850 or e-mail drshow@wamu.org. Those on the west coast will probably get through right away. They do not get many calls from the west coast.
Dorie (the screener is wonderful) make the question clear and to the point she will put you right through. Keep hitting redial.
I’m on hold with Sam — coming up shortly. (Here’s hoping the bathtub proves to be fun for the next 10 minutes or so for The Peanut…)
Hey scarecrow -
With the proviso that I need to go back and carefully read your piece and you may have already addressed this question – I still really do not understand why Fitzgerald cannot pursue the actual leak – which is what his brief was, in the first place. How could his work possibly be over – particularly after working so hard to put together the pieces of the puzzle and having uncovered so much corruption emanating from the VP’s office?
And separately, why allow Rove to have five chances at “correcting” his testimony in front of the grand jury?
As happy as I am that someone from the Bush administration has finally been held accountable – it’s a rather bittersweet victory considering everyone else appears to have gotten off scott free – with continued access to classified materials.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 129
Now that’s what i call multitasking~
Go Christy (and Peanut!)
deandra @ 104
I think you need to take a good hard look at the numbers required to effectively prosecute impeachment.
An underlying point of Scarecrow’s post is that in spite of Libby being found guilty on 4 of 5 counts, the right-wing-owned corporate media machine pumps out a massive pile of crap to obscure this from the sight of average Americans.
Until such a time as we can both cut through that crap-fest AND provide the average American solid evidence of criminal activity, the average American will not force their Republican members of Congress to do their solemn duty by this nation.
Instead of having a temper tantrum, we should be asking ourselves what we can do concretely to cut through the crud and help Democratic members of Congress get to a point where they can impeach anybody in a senior capacity within the administration.
I busted tail yesterday to reach the House Subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative Law before they held their hearings yesterday on the dismissed U.S. Attorneys. If the dismissals are thoroughly and effectively investigated, there will be at least two senior administration officials sitting in our sights for impeachment.
So…what will you do?
Yesterday was only one battle. We are still at war and we still need all hands on deck. What will you do today to help us win the war to take back our country?
did someone say Rove Acolyte ?!?!?
Remember, Clinton could be sued in office, no Executive Privilege, Civil Suit. He could be held to tougher standards for the defense there before a Grand Jury.
Then it will open up his case once more for Fitz.
Oh, he can’t plead down a misdemeanor and get out of Impeachment either.
Tom DeLay is wrting love letters for Scooter from his cell.
No reason for Bush to pardon Libby until after his appeals are exhausted- which the gooper faithful will fund til doomsday.
Libby will be out of jail pending appeal and the White House will be hoping to string this thing out until after the 2008 election- as Bush is cleaning out his desk..
This seems to me like an opportunity to point out what’s wrong with the death penalty. If the system can produce such a wrong outcome in their minds, you’d think the system would be too unreliable to condemn someone to death.
Set up an advocacy for Scooter against Karl Rove. Heh. “He changed his story five times, and all he was able to prove was that another Republican lied.”
Think about it- FIVE trips before the grand jury by Rove.
Libby FIVE charges.
Coinkydink?
DNA analysis on Rove’s dress is said to match Scooter Libby.
The bad news is that they are circling the wagon and indiscriminately using every weapon offered by the Mighty Spew Machine (FAUX, Rush, Drudge…WaPo and all the fawning laminates that populate MSM).
The good news is that three major scandals have converged on Washington and this is just the beginning. It’s a perfect scandal storm. We know we can’t count on the oligarchic media to do anything other than be Reinfelds for BushCo.
So it is up to us…armed with the knowledge that they are imploding. Coulter is besmirched (finally!). Rush gave us Missouri and thus the Senate (Chairman Leahy says “hi, rush!”) and Libby is a felon. Hopefully Congress will turn up the heat and if they don’t do it fast enough or hot enough, we’ll be there to spur ‘em on.
I’m already tired of the phrase “fall guy”. Libby was not “the fall guy” here. He was “the point man”. There’s a BIG difference.
Tenet wears pink like a freedumb medal. Pushover.
Took his jacket off, he shouldn’t trust Cheney’s company that much…
Scott McClellan resurfaces to toss Bush and Cheney under the bus.
Go Scottie, go, go.
-GSD
v o x p o p g i r l @ 125
and Christy, Jane and Marcy on air this morning.
the server in my head is going to go down again today ;)
Mr.Murder @ 139
LOL
Rove was the deep throat. Every time he opened his mouth he dug a deeper hole.
Five trips before Fitz.
Five charges against Libby.
THE MATH!
one thing we can do is challenge “experts” who are affiliated with academic institutions. The below email was sent to an “expert” who appears on Comcast’s “News” channel show Its Your Call last night…and CC’d to his department head and the Dean of his school…
http://www.latimes.com/news/op…..commentary
The LA Times gets it right.
GSD @ 119
Well, when the likes of Wolf Blitzer roll over and ask Cheney which part of his backside he’d like to wipe his wingtips on, what else can we expect?
“The one genuinely comic moment came after Jeffress asked a long, complicated question, with many ill mannered clauses. Before Grenier could respond, Judge Walton called the lawyers forward for an extended conference.
Jeffress resumed his cross. “I don’t suppose you remember my question?”
Grenier repeated it verbatim, this time to much laughter. His short term memory, at least, seemed more than adequate.
Our mini-verdict on Grenier? He will occupy one end of the spectrum we’ve drawn for most/least persuasive witness.”
Insightful.
Christy – your encyclopedic comprehension of the case comes through loud and clear in this interview. Seder is a good sounding board also – he has a pretty good understanding of the facts.
I am loving this…
catch of the day at
http://cliffschecter.blogspot.com/
screenshots of Fox declaring Libby ifound not guilty
The smoking gun has left a cloud over the Office of the Vice President.
-GSD
Scarecrow:
I humbly disagree.
My guess is that Libby will eventually be pardoned but the timing presents a choice of evils for Bush. In either case Libby is not in an enviable position. Even if one somehow believes Libby is an innocent flunky doing his duty, his intelligence and truthfulness can escape blame.
The end result can be catastrophic for Republicans for a generation.
What happens to Libby is almost immaterial in such a scenario.
Best, Terry
lukasiak, there are two more documents on AWOL out in the public realm now…
persons who had issues with Air Guard service named alongside him on official forms…
You still have your archive?
The president is polling in the low 30’s so I doubt he’s worried about taking a political hit for pardoning Libby. He’ll do it…probably sooner than Nov. 2008.
Frank Probst @ 141
Yeah I’d like to take a page from John Dean’s book and insert it as a footnote in every article. Scooter Libby=High Authoritarian Conservative.
Boo yah — the bath is holding, and I made it off the air without a tiny person grabbing the phone extension. It’s a miracle. *g*
No splashing in the tub in the background, way to go Peanut.
Kitt @
78
This editorial should live for ever in J School, as an example of “How to Write Fiction.” Why isn’t anything in this diatribe actionable by Joe Wilson or Valerie. What happened to the Post, what happened to Woodward, jeez, how can they sleep or look at themselves in the mirror?
Thanks so much FDL for the magnificent coverage of the trial. When we hear the Reich Wingnuts take it hardly seems like a victory for justice, but imagine the sheer joy and nonsense that would have followed an Aquital or Mis-Trial. Unfortunately the Evil Axis on Pennsylvania avenue is still going strong, still lying their faces off and still rid of Valerie and Brewster – Jennings so no one can prove they are lying about Iran.
Christy rocks!
Mr.Murder @ 142
true but didn’t he get this whole ball rolling (under enormous pressure from his peers no doubt)?
somebody somewhere is working on ‘payback’ for exposing a covert agent.
my god the deadly intrigue under the surface.
but its only the surface we can deal with.
so yes, congress must begin investigations now if not sooner.
Christy—
You were rock solid and very clear about the case.
Also your hair looked great on the radio :)
Frank Probst @ 141
yeah, anyway
From the juror’s note I see no specific mention of who mentioned Plame first in juror notes of questioning.
Plame’s name being spoken was the issue vs. Libby(he denied, convicted nonetheless).
Who mentioned Plame’s name first with regard to procedure/disclosure is the next step.
Fitz must have stayed narrow for this part of the trial.
He’s awaiting civil discovery to open further opportunity, or upon sentencing can present evidence that broadens this. You can use evidence not presented in court for sentencing in STate law that I’m aware of, I believe the same holds true in federal law.
Listening to Christy, she’s answering elef’s question at 73 quite well…
Armitage not charged: no great proof that he was knowledgeable that Valerie Wilson was classified. To apply the statutes concerned, you need that knowledge.
There’s more, but I’m not comfortable to sum up explanation as to why there wasn’t enough evidence that Libby himself understood her to be classified status… his asking Addington about how one would know about her status suggested that Libby intuited she might be, but it also suggests he wasn’t sure… a mental state suggestive of somebody who feels guilty, but also a mental state that suggests a lack of knowing she was classified.
But the contract Libby signed was clear that not being sure doesn’t give you permission to talk about CIA employees or anything that MIGHT be classified. Breaking your contract isn’t the same as violating IIPA, I guess?
If you get a statement on the Rehms show about contacting your reps about pushing for a more thorough investigation. To push for Fitzgeralds investigation to become active once again
30 Vermont towns vote for the impeachment of Bush.
If only that 70% of America would just shut up and let Bush be Cheney be Lieberman.
-GSD
carsick @ 155
Bush won’t be running for re-election.
Other Republicans will be.
Best, Terry
JoyB @ 163
The “his asking Addington … violating IIPA, I guess?”
was NOT in Christy’s interview. It was me in my own little fugue, to be clear. Sorry!
The Law got it rolling, the facts of the case.
this case had material evidence of a character so compelling as to not be denied. Credit Fitz for letting it stand on its merits and not going Johnnie Cochran on the matter.
Slicktoria Toensing was also pushing the lie that Armitage wasn’t a supporter of the war.
Dick “Signatory to the infamous P-NAC letter” not a supporter.
Har-har-har Vicky.
-GSD
Holy crap! Has anyone seen this? Lullabies from the Axis of Evil? with Rickie Lee JOnes Sorry to sound so amazed. But I think it’s a really great idea.
re: wingnuts spinning libby story madly.
when i was about 12 i had a friend who showed up one day with a ‘new’ bike. a 12 speed or so.
when older boys scouring the neighbourhood found it and accused him of theft he said, ‘I found it.’
He continued his denial when the police arrived and later when a witness said he took it.
Thus wingnut logic.
For what it’s worth Dick Armey said on “On Point” that he thinks Libby will server time and not be pardoned.
Scroll down for a great picture of Newt Gingrich posing for a nice photo-op with gay porn star Rod Majors.
Newtie pictures.
-GSD
Good stuff scarecrow, but I disagree with Sullivan’s wrap. Everyone seems stuck on perpetrating the WH halo myth, but it is a myth. Maybe they have better room freshener in the Oval Office, but what is rotten does not have the VPs office at its heart, it has the Office of the President of the United States of America at its heart.
President Bush, faced with being challenged factually, morally and politically with respect to his personal decisions and choices about the invasion of Iraq and handling of the GWOT, committed himself and members of the Executive branch to a course of action.
President Bush took the National Intelligence Estimate that had been rushed through and cooked as much to order as possible and which had the highest classification status – a status derived from the efforts of not just one agency, but all, and said to himself: how can I propagandize the American public, covertly, with cherrypicks from this document?
President Bush had not allowed any Democratic members of Congress, other than those on the Intelligence Committees briefed on the NIE, to have the information in the NIE prior to the Iraq war vote.
President Bush did not choose to “declassify” the NIE, but instead chose to egnage in a covert program to cherrypick helpful selections and plant those items, covertly, with a reporter who had not signed a confidentiality agreement as required for dissemination and who was going to be the person entrusted with whether classified information would be generally publishes, and how much of that information and the context of that information (and Addington’s ‘case law’ support for the covert manipulation and leaking of misleading and cherrypicked classified information by the President for the purposes of engaging in covert domestic propaganda certainly is lightweight enough to defy the laws of gravity).
Because the NIE was not within Fitzgerald’s mandate, some of the more interesting information about the Miller/Libby meeting has not received much scrutiny. But a part of that so-called “get it all out there” effort appears to have involved Libby, in his covert leak of national intelligence information to be planted in the US media for domestic disinformation and propaganda purposes, misrepresented to Miller what she was receiving. Rather than admitting that she was getting cherrypicks of the best they had, without referring to any of the contradicting and conflicting information, he seems to have misled her with references to what he as giving her being in the nature of the tip of the iceberg – that the full report had lots more, much more better, info as well.
In any event, there is IMO absolutely no way that the covert manipulation by anyone, including the President, of national intellience information for the purposes of engaging in domestic disinformation and propagand, is legal, much less some kind of de facto ‘declassification.’
And the DOJ end run to in-house investigations and avoid appointment of Indep Counsel who would have had a much broader mandate, has worked pretty well for everyone in the Exec so far.
I was pretty stunned that Fitzgerald was able to put the walked back NIE covert manipulation’s origination in the WH into the public record and have been even a bit more stunned, in a different kind of way, that Congress has ignored it. That filing truly ended up being a ’stealth of night’ filing and you have to believe there was tremendous pressure for it to never come out.
I also will credit Fitzgerald’s crew with trying to speak carefully whenever the NIE came up, and both Wells and at times Walton would address it as an “authorized” disclosure of “declassified” information. In almost all references I saw, they never flat out agreed on that point and instead pretty carefully would say things such as that leak was not at issue or in dispute between the parties or that they would not be challenging whether that disclosure was authorized. Given that they couldn’t get into the NIE with their very narrow appointment, I have to wonder if some of them did not have the same reservations about the actual legality of the President’s actions.
Even the broadest grants of discretion are not unchecked. For example, there are often references to a prosecutors absolute discretion in deciding whether to bring or not bring a case. It is pretty absolute, but nothing is every truly absolute. Prosecutors can make decisions for no reason and for bad reasons, but not for illegal reasons. If a Prosecutor accepts a bribe to either bring or not bring a suit – his absolute discretion can suddenly be challenged. There are other instances as well, but the fact remains that every delegation of powers and privileges is a transfer in trust. All recipients are fiduciaries and serve a public trust and the public trust is never without limits.
Absolute declassification discretion allows for declassification based on bad reasons or no reasons, but it does not allow for skirting declassification procedures to illegally engage in a covert manipulation of information for domestic propaganda. Of a similar nature – the firing of the USAttys. The Exec/AG can fire for bad reasons and no reasons, but not for an illegal reason – to obstruct justice.
It’s not that tough a concept and I wish that Congress would at least show that they understand it, and are just too craven; rather than leaving the impression that they are both too craven AND too clueless.
Firedogz -
amidst yesterday’s hubbub, I failed to note if there were more USA hearings today or anytime soon – does anyone know ?
Long story short, I urge a boycott of the Washington Post. Here is what I just wrote in righteous indignation:
Entirely predictably, The Washington Post’s editors served me up a turd with my morning coffee today with its lead editorial ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02020.html ) about the Libby verdict. One could summon an ocean of facts and arguments in rebuttal of this preface to their inevitable and likely imminent “Pardon Scooter Libby” editorial, but, as a working stiff, if a concerned citizen, I simply don’t have the time or patience any more to craft diplomatic Letters to the Editor or entreaties to that unaccommodating apologist for the newspaper called its “ombudsman”.
A few years ago I stopped watching the Sunday morning political shows. I realized that in consuming their improbable compound of gossip, obsequy before power and blithe warmongering I was injecting too much anger into myself and that I oughtn’t allow them into my house any more than I would a drug peddler. It has reached the same point with the Washington Post.
It might surprise a less engaged person that the Post’s flippant remarks about the successful prosecution of a perjurer should be the straw that breaks this camel’s back, after I have already borne five years of their urging, then rationalizing the Iraq war and, lately, their veiled calls for further attacks on Iran and Syria. One might have thought the self-abasing nepotism of a recent Elizabeth Cheney op-ed would have done it, or the recurring justifications for escalation of the Iraq war from Frederick Kagan, an indistinguished scholar of the Russian army of the Napoleonic era. Strangely or not, however, the Plame case has become a touchstone or litmus test. Indeed, it’s one of the axes of politics in this country. On one end are those of us who see Wilson and his wife as the Vice President and the administration at large did: dissenters who fatally undermined the edifice of lies and crimes on which the political consensus for invading Iraq was erected. On the other are those who support the continuation of Iraq at any cost and who are therefore desperately, angrily, slapdashedly trying to cement the crack with the further lies, as the Post does this morning with its proclamation that, “The Wilson-Plame case, and Mr. Libby’s conviction, tell us nothing about the war in Iraq.”
To paraphrase andexcellent and expert blogger, Brad deLong: Why should I pay people to tell me how things aren’t when so many people are trying to tell me for free how things are? But I am not going to merely cancel my subscription. I want to organize a boycott of the Post. Any careful reader of the paper understands that most its reporters fulfilled their public trust in both the runup to and aftermath of the war and are therefore the only thing holding this august institution’s reputation intact. It is only fair to separate these investigative journalists from their editors. It is also necessary to literally separate them, by urging outstanding individuals (Walter Pincus and Dana Priest spring to mind) to break with the paper. At the very least, they should know that their livelihoods will suffer when their employer chooses war over the public weal.
If anyone knows how one might organize such a boycott, or mass subscription cancellation in the D.C. metro area, please respond to me, or, better still, amplify and disseminate my appeal (I am not web savvy). What I have gained from this site, aside from the indispensable information that comes from genuine journalism, is a sense of empowerment.
Frank Probst @ 141
I was surprised at how much traction “the fall guy” meme got with the jury, based on Denis Collins’ post-trial statements. Obviously, it did not distract the jury from the task at hand — as Tweety observed in a rare moment of lucidity, a “scapegoat” is innocent, but a “fall guy” is guilty — but still, the amount of sympathy he got was still surprising to me.
But I think, in a way, the “fall guy” meme backfired on Wells. Wells wanted the jury to acquit Libby because he was the fall guy for Rove. But I think the jury thought he was the fall guy for Cheney — and despite their sympathies, held Libby accountable for agreeing to play that role.
Are youse saying the Post is lying about this stuff, to wit:
“The fall of this skilled and long-respected public servant is particularly sobering because it arose from a Washington scandal remarkable for its lack of substance. It was propelled not by actual wrongdoing but by inflated and frequently false claims, and by the aggressive and occasionally reckless response of senior Bush administration officials — culminating in Mr. Libby’s perjury.
Mr. Wilson was embraced by many because he was early in publicly charging that the Bush administration had “twisted,” if not invented, facts in making the case for war against Iraq. In conversations with journalists or in a July 6, 2003, op-ed, he claimed to have debunked evidence that Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger; suggested that he had been dispatched by Mr. Cheney to look into the matter; and alleged that his report had circulated at the highest levels of the administration.
A bipartisan investigation by the Senate intelligence committee subsequently established that all of these claims were false — and that Mr. Wilson was recommended for the Niger trip by Ms. Plame, his wife. When this fact, along with Ms. Plame’s name, was disclosed in a column by Robert D. Novak, Mr. Wilson advanced yet another sensational charge: that his wife was a covert CIA operative and that senior White House officials had orchestrated the leak of her name to destroy her career and thus punish Mr. Wilson. “
Print version of the NYT has a lovely photograph of Vice President Cheney and a U.S. Senator, just after the verdict.
Three guesses. Oh you only needed one? Lieberman.
Libby denied knowledge of Plame.
That he said it was the matter of this trial.
Who said it, and how so(retroactive declassification is no shield) is the matter of this as goes forward.
One before the other. Libby was the first step, starting from the closest point to the leak.
Toensing was nearly incoherent on Lehrer. Suarez had to redirect and summarize forr her a couple of times. Was she drunk? Never had seen her beffore.
Suarez and Ben-Veniste nice andd compliant. Suarez shared a talking nap with a post reporter who contradiccted what Suarez said about potential sentence length- never really clarified. Reminded me why I rarely watch.
US attorney coveragee oh so careful.
Nice of the Post to use the Senator Pat “Patsy” Roberts report bolster their non-facts.
-GSD
As for the WaPo editorial, I’m not even remotely surprised. They’ve been carrying water for a while. Remember “A Good Leak”? What was surprising was that it just seemed to be a hodgepodge of old (and unedited) right-wing talking points.
1. “A bipartisan investigation by the Senate intelligence committee subsequently established that all of these claims [by Wilson] were false — and that Mr. Wilson was recommended for the Niger trip by Ms. Plame, his wife.” Really? Because when I looked at that report, that section was at the end, and it was only signed by some (not even all of them, for crying out loud) of the Republicans on the committee. That’s not a “bipartisan investigation”. That’s “a set of right-wing talking points that even some Republican Senators weren’t willing to sign off on.”
2. “When this fact, along with Ms. Plame’s name, was disclosed in a column by Robert D. Novak, Mr. Wilson advanced yet another sensational charge: that his wife was a covert CIA operative and that senior White House officials had orchestrated the leak of her name to destroy her career and thus punish Mr. Wilson.” I don’t know that Wilson has EVER claimed that his wife was covert, and if he has, I’d love to see the quote. Wilson has been VERY careful about his descriptions of his wife’s status. In any case, the leak clearly DID destroy Plame’s career. Is that even in question here?
3. “The partisan furor over this allegation led to the appointment of special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald.” Well, technically this is correct. The “partisan furor” arose when the FBI complained that they suspected that several Republicans were lying to them, and the Republican Attorney General recused himself from the case because of his connection to Republican Karl Rove, and the Republican Deputy Attorney General who took over felt that the case warranted the appointment of a special prosecutor. I suppose that this constitutes “partisan furor”.
4. “The trial has provided convincing evidence that there was no conspiracy to punish Mr. Wilson by leaking Ms. Plame’s identity — and no evidence that she was, in fact, covert.” It did? When did Richard Armitage, Karl Rove, and Dick Cheney take the stand to testify that there was no conspiracy to leak Plame’s identity? There is a world of difference between “no evidence that there was a conspiracy” and “convincing evidence that there was no conspiracy”. The former is true here; the latter is certainly false. As for the “no evidence that [Plame] was…covert”, this is also technically correct. (Assuming, of course, that you don’t consider the fact that Plame worked at CPD as evidence that she was covert.) There was also no evidence that she was NOT covert. This information was deliberately excluded from the trial.
5. “It would have been sensible for Mr. Fitzgerald to end his investigation after learning about Mr. Armitage.” The FBI knew about Armitage BEFORE it asked for a special prosecutor. They STILL felt that enough people were lying to them to complain to the Attorney General. It wasn’t Fitz who pushed this. It was the FBI.
Ooh, it’s online NYT too.
Quick go grab a look before they change their mind.
Armitage is another big Dick in my opinion.
-GSD
Help! Anybody quickly know the html command for strikeout? It doesn’t seem to be in Publisher, and the dos command has been changed by WIndows to do something different.
egregious @ 186
Ah, one rarely sees the Emporer Palpatine and a Sith Lord in the same photo-op.
-GSD
Christy.
Listening to Seder now. You sounded GREAT!
Then he has trubble with his phones for awhile. GAAAAAA! Sorry. I have too short an attn span for talk radio.
Good post here, Scarecrow, but it sure cuts thru the mists of euphoria from yesterday.
Our work is not done. What else is new….
O-k-a-y. Pick it up & on we go, sigh…
Scandals breaking out everywhere (veteran care, fired fed. attys, “cloud” over the veep, more & more violence in the ME…). This horrible administration cannot be allowed to skate free.
Rockefeller based his dissent in Committee on the NIE and had his opnion stricken from access. bush kept the NIE classified in full and threatened Rockefeller and Harman at different times with disclosures of retroactive classifications of INTEL he politicized.
re: photo above; serious men discuss free prosthetics for iraqui children. finally conclude it would prevent them from pulling themselves up by their ‘bootstraps.’
btw the ‘point man’ and ‘fall guy’ meme fits perfectly well together.
“Libby was the point man andthe fall guy!
Frank Probst:
Please see what I wrote at #179. I can’t take it anymore.
Prairie Sunshine @ 189
strikeoutstrikeoutBut didn’t we all know that the wingnuts & neocons would be out in full force to spin the verdict? Weren’t their tactics laid bare for all to see during the trial?
I think the side of truth & justice did a pretty good job of framing the issue this time around, i.e. Ben Veniste, Howard Dean, Ariana Huffington, Olbermann’s Countdown coverage, Wilson’s different interviews, statements by Senator Reid and others, etc. Maybe not as strongly as we would have liked – but much better than it has been in the past. I mean, even Howard Fineman was pointing out that Cheney & Bush lied us into an illegal war.
We know what the White House’s MO is with regard to lie, spin and smear and we also know it’s not going end as long as BushCo is in power.
I think one of the most significant things we can do, and we’ve discussed this time and time again – is to push Congress to pass a bigger and better Fairness Doctrine – and to push for reimposition of media regulation. Because the right wing is going to continue to use the media to their ends until we do.
And may I just add that the Washington Post has become more of an embarrassment to the residents of the Washington Metropolitan area than the Washington Times. I never thought I’d see the day. Again, Katherine Graham must be rolling in her grave to see what her son has done.
Elliott, I’m trying to put strikeout into a Publisher document string of text. I need to know the keyboard keys to use to tell Publisher to strikeout a string of text.
Prairie Sunshine @ 189
I’ll try again
use strike in between the “”s and the “”s
WNYC.org (Brian Lehrer) is up
withabout Libby with Tom DeFrank.oh bother, it looked right in preview
use strike in between those little sideways carets
OT: The GOP ~ “We are the party of man whores…It’s what makes us Republicans.”
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com…..1025538230
Prairie Sunshine @ 195
enclose your “” with the word “strike”.
Rivkin repeated the standard apologist line that there was no underlying crime and Valerie was not covert and “everyone knows that” — three falsehoods in one sentence. Then Rivkin smeared Wilson again, claiming Wilson misrepresented that Cheney sent Wilson. He also used the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence report to continue the lie that Wilson partly validated the Niger claims. As readers here know, that lie has been thoroughly exposed and discredited…
You have identified here their general disinformation strategy.We need some “counter-talking points” to this constant triple lie. “They” have mutually agreed on this approach, someone (Rove?) framed their basic arguments, and as usual, their deceit is so blatant, I think what you do here, simply in exposing their lies, turns their own talking points against them.
But this is clearly their plan, in a one-sentence, three-lie nutshell, too many wingnuts are saying their own versions of the same thing for it to be coincidental.
I wonder just how many times all those compliant, complacent Fox News fans will hear it repeated over the next few days.
Using square brackets instead of normal tags, so it doesn’t just do it rather than show the markup it is [strike]struckout stuff[/strike]
or
struckuse the word “strike” in between those littel carets
sorry I’m having such a hard time at this
allan_in_upstate @
26
Time to put TRex’s letter-writing seminar to work! Fred Hiatt, You’ll Get Mail!
egregious @ 182
They own him. They might as well put a dog collar on HoJoe and make it official. All that Faustian fundraising!
egregious @
182
That’s perfect.
Also- all of this b.s. is preparation for the pardon. Will w wait for christmas? I suspect not. If he does Libby’s got to be told that it’s under the tree waiting so that he’ll keep quiet.
Pardon seems almost unqualified presidential power. We’ve seen it inas a piece of obstructtion with 41. Hope people aree aree looking very carefully at tthis, gathering evidence of a high crime (ie obstucting justice.)
v o x p o p g i r l @ 201
(my bold)
what she saidtheExile @ 203
thank you!
Did firedoglakers get through on Rehms. I am hearing more callers from out west?
Publisher is a whole ‘nother kettle of fish, I was referring to W3 html.
Mary4 at 177 — awesome comment, as usual. I don’t disagree with the “Bush is also responsible” argument; but having to say Bush and Cheney every time I’m talking about Cheney or Bush makes for awkward writing. So I wind up using “the Bush/Cheney regime” quite often.
However, I must say that if I had not used Sullivan, I would not have elicited such a wonderful comment from you. I plead guilty. ;) — Your comment deserves to be front-paged.
Mr.Murder @ 155
yeah…and I’d love to see these docs. Do you have a URL?
theExile @ 211
I think I’ll just shut up now ;)
Julie (and everyone else):
Please see my comment about a response to the Post at #179. Help.
Very interesting stuff on huffpost from Juror #9 (was it #9? If so, cool. When I waited tables at a comedy club in college, I was #9):
The next morning we begin again. Revisit our charts. We do not ask the two holdouts to change their minds. We ask them instead to change ours.
Very smart jury.
I am exasperated. Why aren’t congressional Dems all over the House and Senate floor denouncing this spin? Why aren’t they all over the journalists complaining about a “conservative biased media”? The efforts of Fitz (and several who have blogged here) have given the Dems a club. Why aren’t they using it?
You can be 100% certain if the situation were reversed the Repubs would not cease screaming until their screams were reported in the MSM (if for no other reason than to temporarily shut-up these unhousebroken thugs!). Have the Dems learned nothing in the past 20 years????
Places like FDL and the wonderful people who post and comment here can only lead the Dems to water — we can’t make ‘em drink it nor can we carry it for them. When are they going to quit cowering in a corner and call liars liars and traitors traitors!?!!???
The whole lot should be impeached. (By the way, Congress can impeach even after a person leaves office. What’s the purpose? To keep them out of government for ever after.) If the Dems had the balls to do this during Iran/Contra we wouldn’t have these wingnuts (Abrams, Poindexter, Bush) making policy now.
End of rant.
Mary did you get on Rehms?
Here is a possible explanation why there is a push for an immediate pardon: there would be an immediate hue and cry, but it would abate. If Libby goes through his motion for a new trial, his sentencing, and his appeal, the case would just simmer along in the public consciousness. There is a convention and election next year. What if Libby were to be ordered to report to prison in, say, September 2008? If there is going to be a pardon, it is much better, from a political point of view, sooner than later. (Not that politics has anything to do with this.)
I also want to nail down a special point;
when the trial first began, I posted here that fitzgerald himself delcared that valery was in fact covert, a noc.
I was challenged to provide the link to that claim and all I could find was fitz saying her activity was classified, I couldn’t find specific referance to her covert status
I opologized and said in the future I will say fitz said she was “classified”
now however I do have the link to where she is specifically known and proven to be convert
a nock
from here
newsweek
Feb. 13, 2006 issue – Newly released court papers could put holes in the defense of Dick Cheney’s former chief of staff, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby, in the Valerie Plame leak case. Lawyers for Libby, and White House allies, have repeatedly questioned whether Plame, the wife of White House critic Joe Wilson, really had covert status when she was outed to the media in July 2003. But special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald found that Plame had indeed done “covert work overseas” on counterproliferation matters in the past five years, and the CIA “was making specific efforts to conceal” her identity, according to newly released portions of a judge’s opinion.
so once again I am back to the statement;
“the president’s own special prosecutor has declared Valery Wilson was a covert asset working on vital issues concerning our national security”
there
Oh oh.
Looks like Bush isn’t going to be getting the red carpet treatment on his trip to South America.
More like the red tomato treatment.
Large protests planned in numerous nations.
-GSD
Grenier never specified who said Plame’s name first, just that they spoke.
What you find is Bushco. using leaks to advance talking points within the branch of Executive so as to provide plausible cover. The same way they dealt with press, the dealt with one another.
Nobody rats on their own guilt, if you leak they become partner and justification for taking it forward with false vetting.
That is how the Niger forgery was advanced, it is was the same tactic for the Plame outing that ran horizontally integrated. Same time and intel, same style.
The Intelligence Community set up a reordering of the DCI in May 03, 2001 under George tenet including the office of Near East affairs, of which Cheney’s daughter was charge of the new dep’t. Niger was included in near east affairs, Cheney used his daughter’s staffers to stovepipe info over the Niger ambassador, as later findings of the Libby trial indicate.
The stovepipe was set up May 03, 2001. Cheney was riding hard vs. Brewster Jennings then, not certain of who was pushing back. He advanced false INTEL as much as possible to see who could strike it down.
He was trying to deduce who was knocking back the INTEL, he had the apparatus in place via State’s reorder to accomplish his means, but didn’t know who someone was that kept pushing back.
Porter Goss(House Minority ranking Intel) and the OVP’s Senate designees in the Intelligence Committee were the most likely persons to have seen Plame introduce Wilson to the DCI principles.
Wilson was probably well aware of these efforts and perhaps had diplomatic intention of helping vs. Iran for the same matter. Cheney jumped the shark for his Halliburton war.
Just think if we didn’t live in a world that is being destroyed daily by the same crew that couldn’t get it right under Ronnie Raygun or the Bush married to the Gorgon (41). Maybe Gitmo ain’t the problem, maybe it’s just that the wrong people are there.
Brendan at 179 — fine letter.
One of my favorite shows is Dirty Jobs with Mike Rowe. Last night was an episode about a “Honey Wagon” that sucks out human waste from septic tanks and used rancid grease from grease traps, spreads it out, lets it dry, then scoops up the crud and takes it to a landfill. Mr. Rowe said it was the dirtiest job he had ever been on.
I think to top that, he needs to go to the Washington D.C. media/political complex and clean up what being shoveled around town.
By their fruits you shall know them:
“Especially important is the warning to avoid conversations with the demon. We may ask what is relevant but anything beyond that is dangerous. He is a liar. The demon is a liar. He will lie to confuse us.”
I just watched yesterday’s Tucker (DVNR); seriously why does this guy have his own show. My dog is more insightful.
pwrlght at 223 — Because his daddy has connections, and got tired of him living off the family dole?
perris @ 221
Well done!! Thank you! I am saving this link to reuse “liberally.”
Scarecrow:
Thank you. It is not a “letter”. It is a manifesto. I’m sick of the fucking letter writing to these cocksuckers; they’ll never listen.
I would like your help or anyone else’s. I don’t know how to “promote” this idea, and using a work e-mail, I don’t really have the wherewithal, either. But I want to wreck the Post. I want to picket them. I want to picket Hiatt’s house with placards of mangled Iraqis and U.S. soldiers that his children can see.
These people only understand force, or, barring that, money. Fuck reason and persuasion. It’s not about that anymore, if it ever was.
ThinkProgress takes on TWP op-ed WH talking point for point: http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..ial-libby/
pwrlght @ 226
Your dog is probably more attractive and possessed of a better personality, too. And your dog probably looks and acts his age.
I’d rather pay more money and attention to your dog and anybody else’s dog than the-man-boy-who-wore-a-bowtie-too-tight-too-long.
Fresh thread, for everyone’s reading pleasure. And for me? Much more coffee…
Video of Cheney and Libby here.
Tucker is a dutiful and useful tool in the disinformation campaign. He loves to laugh and flip his hair and have a jolly time as he leads his flock of chickens to Col. Sanders deep fryer.
dab-from-CT — yes, there was lots of good stuff too, and I think FDL helped make that happen.
brendan—
No. I object strongly to involving people’s personal homes and families for political fights. Let people have their privacy.
This works both ways. Would we permit the other side to hound us in our homes? Please reconsider your plan.
scarecrow, we need a roots project and we need it fast
we need to get the members of congress to specifically request fitzgeral’s findings and for him to testify before their body
this MUST be done before his findings are declared “classified” by the criminals involved in the treason before this country
please have contact with jane and christy to see orchestrate what needs to be done as soon as possible
WHAT FITZGERALD HAS DISCOVERED MUST NOT BE LOST FOREVER
we must hold to account the people that have done this to our country
I note the comment of Andrew Sullivan that Libby, a convicted felon is “brilliant, intelligent and sane” And so it goes how could a guy like that end up being a felon? This country really needs to get over the regimens of people like Sullivan and Libby who rely on institutional branding, “andover, Yale and Columbia Law School” and big law firm thereafter for Libby. What is brilliant about Libby? He is undistinquished except as an ass kisser. What is intelligent about Libby? He cannot figure out how to lead an honest, productive and sane life. What is sane about Libby? Involving imself with a total screw up like Bush? The problem with media types like Sullivan is they reduce us to having to live with the Clintons, Gore, Kerry and Bush. compelling a relativity which is mediocre at best and crooked on a day to day basis.
perris @ 122….
Ding, ding, ding!
This should be quoted over and over and over again.
Brendan — I’m with egregious. Picketing someone’s home is the step too far. Perhaps because I can forsee the retaliation of crazy wingnuts showing up at my home…and anyone else’s. There is a public sphere and a private one — and the private one ought to be inviolate, because it contains within it a whole lot of family members who have nothing whatsoever to do with the public, including children. And that ought not ever be crossed as a line. (See Plame Wilson, Valerie.)
Love Mike Rowe.
Love you guys, too, for offering advice on my strikeout question. Unfortunately Mr. Gates’ Publisher mere prints the command text as though it were part of the regular text.
Going to Plan B now. At least I have a Plan B. Unlike some others we could name….
dmg @ 39
Three letters of the alphabet?
I was going to comment, but WaPo’s registration system requires more information than I think they have any legitimate need to know, so screw ‘em. What I was going to post there was only this:
Christy Hardin Smith @ 227
Does Tucker dislaimer his daddy’s role in Libby’s fundraising yet?
Mr.Murder @ 223
That is big, if it’s true.
Is this just a hunch, or do you have a reliable source to point to?
Schuster smacked down the WaPo for its editorial/op-eds just dandy on Imus this morning. You should be able to find it at the wfan.com website, scroll down to Instant Replay in the lefthand column.
egregious at #236:
No, you’re right. That’s what I “want” to do, but I wouldn’t do it, and, more importantly, don’t have the time.
But I would like a collective subscription cancellation and accompanying deluge of letters.
Their is no reasoning with this institution. They have gotten markedly more bellicose and dishonest since the congressional elections. It feels like they’re undergoing a purge in their editorial offices, and not the good kind.
And, with apologies to eg, one last….
Is a monthly subscription plan in the works for FDL?
And is FDL comparable to the–gag me–WaPoo or NPR? Any 503C or whatever tax status we need to be concerned about for small contribs from businesses vs personal? Thanks, guys!
perris @ 221
And Fitz said yesterday that he was “100% certain” of her classified status. I’d say that’s a pretty credible source.
Christy Hardin Smith:
You’re right. Please see my response to “egregious” at #246 and my original, much more sedate letter at #179.
Praire Sunshine at #245:
Please see my #179 for a response to the Post from D.C. metro subscribers.
The idea that the jury was confused is such crap. The evidence of the lie was so clear. It would have been weird if he wasn’t found guilty.
And that juror who spoke out didn’t sound confused to me. He sounded smarter than the pugs brought on the news yesterday to blame the Democrats for this.
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Don’t forget that Christy has A NEW THREAD upstairs.
That’s a copy of the email form, I pasted the Intelligence Community’s site for it back before the war.
My old drive had much more on it, the sites I placed it on scrubbed it or lost it in their archives.
The email has many of the .gov sites but they change links over time and the same link will send you elsewhere at times…
For the good of the order….loose end.
Publisher has no strikeout function. Must use line drawing button.
Yet one more example that for every Publisher update, every task and function takes more steps than the previous version. Instead of punching one button on a taskbar, one must select the line function, create with shift key, select the line button to select the thickness of line, adjust up and down as necessary…. computing BushCo style.
Rayne @ 74
That was my screwup. Working from memory with a brain like a seive.
Fed Rule of Crim Procedure 6 (e) (3) is a starting point.
There is a provision that a government attorney may make a motion to the court where the GJ is siiting for an order allowing GJ material to be unsealed for use in another judicial proceeding (Hmmm, like a civil trial?) or in the lead up to a judicial proceeding (I think an argument could be made that a Congressional Investigation into possible violations of the Espionage Act with it’s potential for referrals for criminal prosecution might fit that description) is a good place for Conyers, Rockefeller et al to start.
Brendan at #179. You need to look at the WaPo as a Corporation, not just the paper operation itself. These days, the paper and even Newsweek are not the profit centers they once were. As I understand it, the Kaplan Program which preps for the SAT and is now into on line college and advanced High School classes is the real WaPo profit center — followed by the TV stations, and so forth. The paper is probably close to being run at a loss, given the smaller subscriber base and the loss of much classified advertising.
But yes, a selective buying campaign can be effective. (You need to consider the term Boycott because in some cases that can be illegal) — and you don’t want the WaPo’s legal department to take you on.
Rayne here is the quote and the section #
Rule 6(e)(3)(E)(i)
Sara:
When is that the case, that a Boycott is illegal, when MicroSoft boycotts Netscape? Actually, I would like some clarification on this.
dab_from_ct @ 131
Welcome to the frustrating world of the criminal prosecutor. A worls where you just KNOW IN YOUR HEART that Al Capone is a mobster, but you just cannot lay your hands on enough admissable evidence of that, so instead you charge him with an iron clad case of tax evasion.
Here’s the rule honey, you don’t indict unless you are sure you can convict, even then, sometimes you are wrong and don’t convict.
But you are not supposed to indict unless you truly believe you have a winnable case.
Given the grey mail issues, Pat may not feel sure that he will be left with sufficent (both quality and quantity) admissable evidence by the time he gets to trial.
Especaily with all that sand in the eyes.
” With a career in politics that goes back to the Nixon White House, Mr. Cheney is no stranger to Washington scandal and how to weather it. Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, said he went hunting with the vice president late last year and did not sense that the trial was bothering him.
“He’s got a thick hide,” Mr. Graham said, “and he needs it.” “
from the NYT article
i had suspected Lindsey was an idiot. Now I know it. He went hunting with the Shooter.
I think the key word in “The Coverup Continues and Only We Can Stop It ” is WE. The Fire Dogs have knocked themselves out for us – now it’s our turn to keep their work from going to waste.
Call your representatives to demand further investigations. Find your reps’ contact info here.
The work has just begun for the Wilsons. You can offer your support over at The Joseph and Valerie Wilson Legal Support Trust
Remember the Downing Street Memo Awaken the Media campaign? And how it worked? Here’s the info from Media Matters to do it all over again:
Mary4 @ 177
What Mary said.
Brava Mary
We need to write our congressional representatives and order that they lay down the gauntlet with Bush: Congress will impeach Bush/Cheney if Bush pardons Libby!
Sorry if this was said already; I didn’t have time to read the comments to this excellent article. Thanks to Scarecrow and FDL for this and everything related to the Libby prosecution. The truth must come out; we must demand the truth.
Al Capone was convicted of tax evasion. There wasn’t a public outcry to lessen his criminal backround because of it.
Mary4’s #177 post should be frontpaged.
egregious @ 187
Joe looks like he’s carrying a load a crap around in his pants in that picture….OH…what am I saying? Of course he is.
A crime against the United States has been perpetrated and the wrongdoer(s) remains free. Libby is a low-level accomplice in this crime. The real crime remains unaccounted for and unpunished, and our national security is weakened every day that state of affairs is allowed to exist.
(greatly EPUd, but this is a better thread for it)
Just sent this to Waxman:
Could you or some other committee chair subpoena the grand jury evidence and testimony for Fitzgerald’s investigation into the release of classified information (namely Valerie Wilson’s working identity)? I think this is covered under US code Title 18, rule 6(e)(3)(A)(ii) [or possibly 6(e)(3)(D)], but I’m not a lawyer. Since it involves revealing classified information, those who revealed it should be prosecuted, especially since they signed statements that they understood the penallties for doing so (SF-312).
Also, it would be really a good idea if someone would do a real investigation into whether the president has the authority to ‘declassify’ such identities – my understanding is that such information has to go through the classifying agency, which is not the White House – or to partially declassify things like the NIE for purposes like ‘leaking’ information to reporters while still claiming it’s classified information.
I want an administration that upholds the laws, rather than playing games with them. These people have violated their solemn, and public, oaths in more than enough ways to justify impeachment.
brendan @ 230
Yes..enough of the letter writing. This group of neo-cons are psychopaths and pathological liars.
legaleze @ 265
yes! call your reps demand that congress take the club that Fitz handed them. Investigate Cheney’s involvement and impeach the whole group!
I would just like to defend Ben-Veniste’s performance on the News Hour. When Toensing claimed it was a case of “he said, he said,” Ben-Veniste came right back with “more like ‘he said, THEY said.” And when she tried to paint Fitzgerald as partisan, Ben-Veniste replied that not even Bush had called him anything but professional. Toensing backtracked extremely quickly.
Himmler down. Goering, Goebbels and Adolf to go.
Oops. sorry. Got caught in a time warp.
Libby down. 3 more to go.
End of thread, nobody will probably never see, but still…..
The jury was totally sympathetic to Libby. They felt really bad for him. Then they threw his ass in prison for up to 25 years. “Too bad, so sad” sayeth the jury.
Jim Bartle @
273
I agree, he did push back on those and other points; the problem is trying to keep up with all the misstatements; there wasn’t enough time.
Scarecrow,
Beautifully written, well researched, thoughtful post!
Thank you, from a loooog time lurker.
travelite
Seems to me that David Rivkin should be one worried fella.
“Rivkin repeated the standard apologist line that there was no underlying crime and Valerie was not covert and “everyone knows that” — three falsehoods in one sentence.”
So, David, when did you “know” that Valerie was not covert and furthermore reached the conclusion that “everyone knows that”? Was it before or after July 14, 2003, when Robert Novak outed Valerie Plame-Wilson as a CIA operative, after Novak was leaked this information by two Bush officials, and even after Novak was strongly advised by a CIA official not to print Valerie’s CIA identity?
And, David, if you had knowledge before July 14, 2003 that you (as well as everyone else) knew that Valerie was not covert, then who told you, and when? Or were you just wandering down the hallway at CIA headquarters one day, ran into Valerie, read her nametag, and blurted out, “Oh, so you’re Joe Wilson’s wife, the one I’ve heard so much about from (fill in the blank), a top official in the Bush administration”?
Anyway, these would be the questions I’d ask anyone who used the phrase “everyone knows that” in claiming that Valerie Plame-Wilson was not covert. When were they first informed that she was not covert? Was it before or after Novak’s July 14, 2003 article? And who told them? And if before July 14, 2003, David, did the FBI and Patrick Fitzgerald contact you?
And if “everyone” knew that, then why didn’t I know that? I’m part of “everyone,” aren’t I? Why wasn’t I in the loop involving the outing of Valerie Plame-Wilson’s CIA identity? I feel so left out. Someone must have forgotten to tell me that Valerie was not covert. Maybe Scooter Libby since he supposedly has such a poor memory?
Side note: Congressional intelligence committees can subpoenae the CIA’s damage assessment report, commissioned after the outing of Valerie Wilson as a covert CIA operative and the disclosure of Brewster Jennings being a CIA front company, which was used by multiple covert CIA operatives as a cover during overseas intelligence gathering operations. The Democrats on these committees can then report to us, We The People, a general assessment of the damage done to our national security by these traitorous leaks of classified information by the Bush administration. I’m waiting.