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Hi, Cozumel & Jane!

Well nobody told me we’re doing dots tonight! What’s the significance?

EPU’d. (Accidentally wiped out @ 122 in the previous thread. Not quite sure how that happened since the original post was already closed for editing, but anyway…)

From Dana Milbank’s Washington Sketch, “Free Fall For The Fall Guy”

Just after noon in the sixth-floor courtroom, when the jury forewoman read the first guilty verdict, Libby briefly closed his eyes. While she read the other counts — he was guilty on four of five — Libby looked at his lawyer Ted Wells, who rubbed his chin. Libby’s other lawyer, Bill Jeffress, exhaled deeply.

Libby’s wife, Harriet Grant, was not as composed. In the first row of spectators, she hunched over and shook. A young member of Libby’s defense team put his arm around her shoulders. After judge and jury left, Grant went over to hug her husband with a furious look on her face. Three reporters heard her say what sounded like, “We’re gonna [expletive] ‘em.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01998.html

I know we’ve speculated some on how Harriet Grant must feel about all this — in particular how she feels about Scooter going down for Shooter.

Anyhow, the “We’re gonna fuck’em” quote, raises, I should think, some pretty interesting questions. Mostly, who’s “them”?

The jury? Makes no sense.

The prosecution? Maybe… but that doesn’t make a lot of sense either. What could Grant, or Team Libby, have on the prosecution that would “fuck’em”?

Which pretty much leaves Cheney and the Bush administration.

Libby certainly has enough info on the OVP and the White House to royally screw them over, probably enough to give whole new meaning to the term ‘droit de signeur’. Is it possible that the reason Cheney didn’t testify on Scooter’s behalf is because *Cheney* declined, and the defense didn’t want to push it?

That might piss off Harriet. Or Harriet might just be generally pissed that Scooter was left to be the admistration “Fall Guy”.

Obviously this is rank speculation — but it looks like Scooter might be seriously considering a turn-about on the Bush administration. Or at least that his wife might be pushing the idea.

Comments? Jane? Bueller? Anyone?

fitz plus one!

yes, good for John Edwards! If Al Gore doesn’t get in, Edwards has my vote.

Trex on KO! (I’m watching on Tivo, so I’m a few minutes behind…)

Ann in AZ @ 4

Well nobody told me we’re doing dots tonight! What’s the significance?

Some people put in a dot to grab first place, then go back to edit to put in a real comment. Very clever.

Ann in AZ @ 3

Hi, Cozumel & Jane!

Hiya

Reid is turning into a real jackass. I wonder if any of the other Democratic Senators are pulling him aside and asking what the hell he’s doing. They should be doing that.

Since there’s no more verdict watch, guess I’ll get busy calling and faxing.

Does anyone know what paper or TV show the third juror (Jeff Comer) spoke to? I would like to read or listen to what he said. Thanks.

Edwards to Skip Nevada Debate Hosted by Fox

Former Sen. John Edwards campaign announced that he will skip the Nevada Democratic Party’s planned August presidential debate, the latest fallout from the party’s decision to have the Fox Network host the event.

The move sparked an outcry, particularly among liberals and activist bloggers, who accused Fox of being too sympathetic to Republicans and demanded that the Democratic candidates boycott the forum.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02137.html

Awesome!

LindaR @
7

yes, good for John Edwards! If Al Gore doesn’t get in, Edwards has my vote.

He needs Marcy’s book… questions in recent interview indicate he has no idea what this trial was and was not about

Beats me what Mrs. Scooter meant. Maybe she’s gonna have to make up for lost income?

I don’t know understand why any member of our party would do anything less than boycott Fox altogether.

I just checked their website. It seems they’re no longer covering the Libby verdict at all… I guess trying to spin four guilty verdicts into one not guilty verdict didn’t really work for them.. so now the trial just never happened :)

Oh.. this belongs on the last thread, but congrats and thank you to FDL’s trial coverage team!

If the Wilsons win the civil suit- will they get the royalties from Libby’s fucking bear novel?

Harry Reid’s son is the Nevada chair of Hillary’s campaign and an advisor on western issues.

Jane @ Top:

I frankly don’t know what’s wrong with Harry Reid these days. Yes he called on Bush not to pardon Libby, but as a member of the party leadership he ought to do no less. Meanwhile, h e allows the party’s biggest war pimp and GOP enabler, Joe Lieberman to refashion himself as hero of the Walter Reed debacle and friend to all the service people his delusional blindness has put there.

I don’t get it either. Reid was pretty good as Minority Leader. Maybe he needs to be in the opposition to function fully?

I suppose it’s possible that Reid feels the need to be more ‘diplomatic’, now that he’s in charge of the whole Senate, but he really doesn’t have enough, if any, of a majority to start taking the ‘impartial’ high road.

Reid needs to get some of that fighting spirit back.

LindaR @ 9

Ann in AZ @ 4

Well nobody told me we’re doing dots tonight! What’s the significance?

Some people put in a dot to grab first place, then go back to edit to put in a real comment. Very clever.

But sometimes (like now) the edit function is disabled. LOL

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Fox is gooper teevee. Everyone knows it.

I did email Edwards to say how impressed I was by this decision. This is very telling to me. He damn near has my vote. The others will be sorry (just like thier vote for the war and the bankruptcy bill).

Harry Reid really, really doesn’t get. I was impressed (sorta) at YKos, but since then it’s been a long downhill slide for GiveEmALittleBitofHellHarry. Besides the Senate shutdown over the Phase II Intelligence Report, which accomplished nothing (where’s that report, Senator Rockefeller?) what has Reid done? He kowtows to Lieberman; he should have thrown him off his committees in August when RGJoe lost to NED.

Reid makes the House look responsive and my Congresswoman look great, but we need real Senate leadership and we need it NOW.

This dance with FOX is absurd — FOX will use the opportunity to bash our Democratic candidates just like the FOX “newsmen” did in 2004 in Baltimore. Fool me once…

Here’s another place to thank John Edwards for being the first to announce he’ll skip the Nevada FOX debate.

pie @
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Harry Reid’s son is the Nevada chair of Hillary’s campaign and an advisor on western issues.

And Rupert Murdoch loves Hill.

This is totally icky.

OT — Holy crap. I just heard Pat Buchanan say BOTH conservatives and neo-conversatives are hypocritical to call for the pardon of Scooter Libby after the drive to impeach Clinton.

Did the earth crack open? Are the Four Horsemen riding among us? Jeepers.

Maybe I shouldn’t have had that second beer at my DFA Meetup…

Edwards has been my favorite so far, and this helps him more in my eyes. A spokesperson for him said, “There were a number of factors and Fox was one of those.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes…..s-and-fox/

I”m ready to take my “Give Em Hell Harry” poster from last summer’s YKos to the March 19 candlelight vigil against the war and burn it in effigy or use it to light the candles in the crowd.

Blub @ 16

The idea (from their perspective) is to reach out to Republicans.

What they fail to realize is that 1)those people don’t vote in our primaries and 2)the devout FAUX watchers won’t be voting for a Democrat in the general any way.

This whole thing is a bunch of b.s.

RevDeb @ 27

I”m ready to take my “Give Em Hell Harry” poster from last summer’s YKos to the March 19 candlelight vigil against the war and burn it in effigy or use it to light the candles in the crowd.

Still have mine on the fridge; thinking fondly of Truman when I see it.

I don’t get it either. Reid was pretty good as Minority Leader. Maybe he needs to be in the opposition to function fully?

He wasn’t *that* good. He had some nice moments, but there was no opposition to the bankruptcy bill, no opposition to Roberts, no opposition to Alito, barely any opposition to the Torture Good, Habeas Bad Act.

I’ll be happy to express mail a copy of Marcy’s book to John Edwards with a hearty thanks for skipping the Nevada Fox disaster in the bargain. Hell, Edwards is a lawyer and I believe his lovely Elizabeth (?) is as well. Consider it done.

Like so many other firepup commenters I could get behind Edwards for President if President Gore doesn’t go for re-election – though I pray he will.

RevDeb @
27

I”m ready to take my “Give Em Hell Harry” poster from last summer’s YKos to the March 19 candlelight vigil against the war and burn it in effigy or use it to light the candles in the crowd.

Maybe you should just mail the poster to Harry, with a short message like:

“Here’s some advice, Harry. Take it.”

I also picked up an old copy of Time magazine yesterday and happened to read this viewpoint by Alexandra Pelosi, written just after the 2006 election. In it she wrote:

George W. Bush and Nancy Pelosi both know that if you want to breathe the rarefied air at the highest echelons of the U.S. government, you have to ignore the media buzzards. When I was watching Fox News recently, and she walked into the room, I had to explain that Sean Hannity was spending the month leading up to the election warning America that Speaker Pelosi would destroy this nation. She asked, “Which one is Hannity?”

So as all of us spectators sit home on our couches watching the bloviators pontificate about the state of American politics, rest assured that George Bush and Nancy Pelosi are so busy that they do not hear a word of it. And if they did, they couldn’t care less. They have a country to run.

FWIW, which either isn’t much or it explains a lot.

Sounds like the debate is being done by the state democratic party in Nevada- and they are scrambling to save it by having it broadcast by Air America as well as Fox. I’m not sure what Reid has to do with it.

Rayne @
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OT — Holy crap. I just heard Pat Buchanan say BOTH conservatives and neo-conversatives are hypocritical to call for the pardon of Scooter Libby after the drive to impeach Clinton.

Did the earth crack open? Are the Four Horsemen riding among us? Jeepers.

Maybe I shouldn’t have had that second beer at my DFA Meetup…

Buchanan’s a complete bastard, but he’s not a knee-jerk Republican loyalist.

Hi there! I have been lurking, and many moons ago I have been a commenter here. Would have posted this at last thread- but seems like we have moved on to this one… and- sorry if it is old news here at FDL by now, and to boot, it is OT
(geesh! what a start on my part)

I was surprised to hear this on the old boob tube (though it was cable, not the Evening News of a major affiliate):

“The trial has been death by 1,000 cuts for Cheney,” said Scott Reed, a Republican strategist. “It’s hurt him inside the administration. It’s hurt him with the Congress, and it’s hurt his stature around the world because it has shown a lot of the inner workings of the White House. It peeled the bark right off the way they operate.”
really…google Scott Reed. This is pretty significant on the record comment to NYT.

“>New York Times

Wonder if this was one of Scooter’s good buddies begging him to throw Cheney under the bus [in previous news reports]?

Keep the pressure up! thanks to all here ~ still a great community, have LOVED it the last four years! :O)

It is probably time to start trying to find a replacement for Reid.Don’t know when his term is up but He should be put on notice that the netroots are gonna work hard on his defeat. And that should go as well for all other senators and congressmen who are up for reelection. Put up or shut up should be or message to all of em. Do the will of the American people or we will send your asses home. Lets get a list started now on who needs to go. 2008 is just around the corner.

If they want a taste of what Pox Noise would do in the debate, Digby has the sorry script here.

How stupid do they have to be to go along with this?

Edwards is rising in esteem in this house.

“The trial has been death by 1,000 cuts for Cheney,” said Scott Reed, a Republican strategist.

It’s not torture unless there’s organ failure.

Cozumel @
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Edwards to Skip Nevada Debate Hosted by Fox

Former Sen. John Edwards campaign announced that he will skip the Nevada Democratic Party’s planned August presidential debate, the latest fallout from the party’s decision to have the Fox Network host the event.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02137.html

A wise decision. Fox will just undercut all the nominees.

I’m glad Edwards took the lead on this. Here’s hoping the rest of the candidates follow his example.

Hi Uppity Gal.

kml @ 28

Blub @ 16

The idea (from their perspective) is to reach out to Republicans.

What they fail to realize is that 1)those people don’t vote in our primaries and 2)the devout FAUX watchers won’t be voting for a Democrat in the general any way.

This whole thing is a bunch of b.s.

The party of cognitive dissonance, those dead enders still clinging to the conservative agenda will NEVER accept anything the left has to say right or wrong. There is no reason IMO for the Democratic party to have a debate on Fox Noise. I for one will not be watching.

countryjoe @ 36

It is probably time to start trying to find a replacement for Reid.Don’t know when his term is up but He should be put on notice that the netroots are gonna work hard on his defeat. And that should go as well for all other senators and congressmen who are up for reelection. Put up or shut up should be or message to all of em. Do the will of the American people or we will send your asses home. Lets get a list started now on who needs to go. 2008 is just around the corner.

Ding!

And to take it a step further, we don’t need any of those FAUX FREAKS at ANY of our debates…

HUME: General Clark, Governor Dean has said that you’re a good guy but he thinks you’re a Republican. Now, we’re told you did vote for several Republican presidents — President Nixon, President Reagan — said good things about the first President Bush and even about this President Bush.

You said, in an article published in The Times of London back in April as the war ended, quote, “Liberation is at hand. Liberation, the powerful balm that justifies painful sacrifice, erases lingering doubt and reinforces bold actions.”

As to the president, you wrote, quote, “President Bush and Tony Blair should be proud of their resolve in the face of so much doubt.”

Given those statements, given your votes, I think it is not unreasonable to ask you when you first noticed that you were a Democrat.

(LAUGHTER)

(APPLAUSE)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..ge=printer

Eli @ 34

Buchanan’s a complete bastard, but he’s not a knee-jerk Republican loyalist.

He’s been consistently against the Iraq occupation, if memory serves me correctly. It’s probably the only thing he has going for him.

Still makes me want to take a brick to my head though.

JGabriel @ 40

Cozumel @
13

Edwards to Skip Nevada Debate Hosted by Fox

Former Sen. John Edwards campaign announced that he will skip the Nevada Democratic Party’s planned August presidential debate, the latest fallout from the party’s decision to have the Fox Network host the event.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02137.html

A wise decision. Fox will just undercut all the nominees.

I’m glad Edwards took the leads on this. Here’s hoping the rest of the candidates follow his example.

It’s going to be a moment of truth for them. If they still show up, then their intent is to stab Edwards in the back by taking the exposure that he forfeited.

I say “intent”, because there’s a good chance that exposure ends up being a net negative for them.

kml @ 45

Eli @ 34

Buchanan’s a complete bastard, but he’s not a knee-jerk Republican loyalist.

He’s been consistently against the Iraq occupation, if memory serves me correctly. It’s probably the only he has going for him.

Still makes me want to take a brick to my head though.

Don’t forget that he worked for the Trickster

I worry Reid has had another little stroke.

tbsa @ 41

The party of cognitive dissonance, those dead enders still clinging to the conservative agenda will NEVER accept anything the left has to say right or wrong. There is no reason IMO for the Democratic party to have a debate on Fox Noise. I for one will not be watching.

Agreed 100%.

I wouldn’t watch if money was offered.

kml @ 45

Eli @ 34

Buchanan’s a complete bastard, but he’s not a knee-jerk Republican loyalist.

He’s been consistently against the Iraq occupation, if memory serves me correctly. It’s probably the only he has going for him.

Still makes me want to take a brick to my head though.

It’s telling that even a complete bastard can be refreshing, so long as he’s not a brain-dead Bush cultist.

EPUed from last thread.

All Hail the Great Trex!!!

Fiyero @ 242 says:

March 7th, 2007 at 6:23 pm

AZ Matt, here’s the quote from Max Blumenthal tonight on KO:

“Several gay bloggers, for instance Trex at Firedoglake, have talked for years about the existence of sort of a gay Republican underground railroad, that’s funneled people like Jeff Gannon and Corporal Matt Sanchez from the fringes of the adult industry into the core of the conservative movement, and they’ve played an influential role in the backlash politics of the conservative movement and the Republican party. And that’s really what’s relevant here. It doesn’t matter inherently that he [Sanchez] was a gay porn star; what matters is that he’s a hypocrite who’s advancing the ideological homophobia of the right and helping them exploit this homophobia for political gain.”

Well said. And go TREX!!!

Maybe Fox will bring in an Edwards stand-in from the cast of its Half Hour News Hour…

Cozumel @
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LindaR @ 9

Ann in AZ @ 4

Well nobody told me we’re doing dots tonight! What’s the significance?

Some people put in a dot to grab first place, then go back to edit to put in a real comment. Very clever.

But sometimes (like now) the edit function is disabled. LOL

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To tell you the truth, the last time I saw that happen, the one that put in the dot got his/her 0 taken away. I didn’t and don’t know why or how. But congrats on the “zed” anyway.

Is anyone else as outraged as me at how the media has light-footed around this verdict. A f**kin’ FELON in the west wing covering up for the V.P. and its a big godamn pardon watch like this guy is some kind of Easter bunny. If Conyers and Waxman, Reid, etc. don’t impeach this S.O.B Cheney after Fitzgerald has offered it up to them on a silver platter then the Democrats deserve too be called spineless. For Christ sake!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry to vent but I am sickened by our media.

Kudos to Jane, Marcy, Christy, etc. you ladies and guys were my Hunter Thompson’s, John Dean’s and Carl Bernstein in a time of utter media failure. You ladies are SAINTS. THANK YOU. Donation on the way.

And yes, kudos to John Edwards, leading by example.

Edwards was discussed heavily at my Meetup tonight; there is a line drawn for some of the members and that is on the issue of Katrina and the Gulf Coast recovery efforts. Haley Barbour and Trent Lott shouldn’t be able to sit on their rebuilt verandas sipping toddies while a single person is still displaced from their county or parish, and by this August, from their home. Of the candidates out there, neither Hillary nor Obama have done anything for the investigation into FEMA or promoting economic redevelopment of the region. This issue is proof; it’s evidence of commitment and leadership that the residents of the Gulf Coast can readily measure. And it’s going to cost them both support, particularly in the African-American community.

Which brings us to Harry Reid: as leader of the Dems, why is he not raining down a shit storm on Lieberman for not investigating FEMA, given the Chairmanship of the U.S. Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs that Lieberman has hijacked out of the Dem Party? We’re talking about more than a million people, taken for granted, tossed aside like chaff because Reid cannot enforce party discipline, let alone demand progressive values in action from anyone holding a committee chair?

If Edwards was smart, and I think he is, he would schedule an online live forum at the same time as the debate. It could stream over Quicktime and Real player. We could all live blog it and do a Q & A with him.

Blub @ 52

Maybe Fox will bring in an Edwards stand-in from the cast of its Half Hour News Hour…

Some fag, probably.

(That was gallows humor, in case it wasn’t clear…)

My wingnut coworker uses Fox as his home page.

Libby gets all that sympathy because he is a tiny, delicate little man.

Taylor Marsh had a piece on Reid’s lame performance on Charlie Rose.

http://www.taylormarsh.com/arc…..p?id=25239

I saw most of it too and it was nauseating to see him say that he disagreed with Bush’s Iraq escalation but that neither he nor the Democrats could do anything about it. Reid is not a leader or a fighter and we should expect little from him and Senate Democrats in general.

OldCoastie @ 58

Libby gets all that sympathy because he is a tiny, delicate little man.

He wouldn’t last 30 seconds with a *real* bear.

OldCoastie @ 57

Libby gets all that sympathy because he is a tiny, delicate little man.

So’s Harry.

ceo @
22

I did email Edwards to say how impressed I was by this decision. This is very telling to me. He damn near has my vote. The others will be sorry (just like thier vote for the war and the bankruptcy bill).

I heard the opinion that Obama is expected to pull out of that debate too. Nobody seems to know what Hill will do. It kinda reminds me of the old saying, “What if they gave a war and nobody came?” So, what if they give a debate and nobody comes? Should be interesting. You can’t very well lead if you lose your followers because of some questionable decisions.

I could become angry. But I think not. I could become impatient, and I am. I could fight on. And I will. We have become a nation of legal bribery (Halliburton), and a country of deals and paybacks (pardon). And most sadly of all, a nation bent on force, war and ethnocentrism. But Libby was convicted. No matter what, we’ll always have that. And this I believe is “worth all the tea in China”. I will never, ever give up.

i have said it many times previously, the senatorial demtillians preferred being in the minority..their aipac allegiances could be covered by the reptillian dominance.

i don’t think that the demtillian’s ever thought that the electorate would overwhelm the reptillian penchant for vote fraud. they thought that the reptillians had the vote controlled again and that the charade of senatorial demtillians being erstwhile opposition would persist.

what no one counted on was that country came out and voted against the war, the status quo, in such numbers that the fixes were obliterated.

much to their chagrin, the senatorial demtillians are like those palmetto bugs that covered the kitchen floor of a friend’s manhattan apt. walk in at night, turn on the light, and watch them scurry. the demtillians are now out in the light, and they cannot do what you want them to do…

they are beholden to “special” interests. holy joe is the marshal for those interests. he is the man from mossad. he may even be its bagman in the senate. and i can assure you that the israeli intell services have extorted, photographed most of the congress: they have them by the short hairs.

and that is why the iraq war will not be ending. why it will be the salient from which our israeli-demanded invasions of iran, syria, lebanon will be launched and managed.

harry reid’s senate is allied with this PNAC objective.

doubt me? watch it unfold before your very eyes.

ccmask @ 57

My wingnut coworker uses Fox as his home page.

Shit, I spent last week in Lynchburg, Va and Fox was on EVERYWHERE! Coffee shops, bars, every restaurant. . .

punaise @
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Trouble connecting the dots, again?

RevDeb @ 54

If Edwards was smart, and I think he is, he would schedule an online live forum at the same time as the debate. It could stream over Quicktime and Real player. We could all live blog it and do a Q & A with him.

Brilliant idea, as ever. I’ll quote you in my cover note to Edwards along with Marcy’s book.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 62

I could become angry. But I think not. I could become impatient, and I am. I could fight on. And I will. We have become a nation of legal bribery (Halliburton), and a country of deals and paybacks (pardon). And most sadly of all, a nation bent on force, war and ethnocentrism. But Libby was convicted. No matter what, we’ll always have that. And this I believe is “worth all the tea in China”. I will never, ever give up.

What up homes?

RevDeb @ 56

If Edwards was smart, and I think he is, he would schedule an online live forum at the same time as the debate. It could stream over Quicktime and Real player. We could all live blog it and do a Q & A with him.

Ding!

Gilliard is out of surgery. I hope he heals well and quickly. He is missed.

Hugh @ 59

Taylor Marsh had a piece on Reid’s lame performance on Charlie Rose.

http://www.taylormarsh.com/arc…..p?id=25239

I saw most of it too and it was nauseating to see him say that he disagreed with Bush’s Iraq escalation but that neither he nor the Democrats could do anything about it. Reid is not a leader or a fighter and we should expect little from him and Senate Democrats in general.

The American people are sick of the illegal war in Iraq, the democrats were elected to put a stop to it, if they don’t get off their spineless asses and get something done I fear what will happen in ‘08.

Here by the way is the last list for the evening of Bush era scandals:

1. Walter Reed
2. Fired US attorneys
3. Scooter Libby/Plamegate
4. Iraq: lack of preparation for occupation, looting, including the National Museum, too few troops, lack of training, lack of equipment, lack of securing loose Iraqi munitions, disbanding the Iraqi army, banning the Baathists, the CPA, Paul Bremer, losing tons of money literally, lack of international inclusion in reconstruction and security, weak Constitution, formation of sectarian parties, weak government
5. Afghanistan and the resurgent Taliban and opium production
6. Iran and saber rattling
7. North Korea, ditching the 1994 agreement because of dubious uranium program, the plutonium program which led to a fizzled first nuclear test, and something like a return to the 1994 agreement
8. Osama bin Laden, where are you? Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and terrorism
9. Civilian contractors
10. The Military Commissions Act: torture, indefinite detention, the end of habeas corpus, and kangaroo courts
11. Hurricanes Rita and Katrina, the destruction of New Orleans, and the aftermath
12. NSA wiretapping
13. SWIFT surveillance of financial transactions
14. Black prisons and extraordinary rendition
15. Homeland Security: white elephant (organization), black hole (money)
16. K Street Lobbyists, Jack Abramoff
17. Kyle “Dusty” Foggo and the CIA follies
18. Duke Cunningham
19. Tom Delay
20. Mark Foley
21. Cheney and Energy Policy
22. Tax cuts for the wealthiest
23. Global warming: refusal to join Kyoto, denial of manmade origin, continued reliance on fossil and carbon based fuels, little movement on CAFE standards and conservation, political interference in scientific reports (Good guys: Hansen, Peltz; bad guys: Cooney, Deutsch), listening to Michael Crichton
24. Terri Schiavo
25. Big budget deficits and vastly increased national debt
26. The stacking of the federal judiciary
27. Medicare
28. Medicare Part D
29. Healthcare (in general)
30. Cooked intelligence and the Office of Strategic Plans/ Doug Feith
31. 2000 Presidential election
32. 2004 Presidential election
33. Attempts to torpedo the 911 Commission
34. Failure to implement 911 recommendations
35. Marginalization of the UN; John Bolton
36. Preventive war doctrine
37. Loss of US reputation internationally
38. No serious attempt to achieve peace between Israelis and Palestinians
39. Underfunding of basic research
40. Alberto Gonzales
41. FDA: RU 486; drug testing
42. EPA: mercury levels for coal plants
43. Porter Goss and the gutting of the CIA
44. Militarization of intelligence
45. Rampant cronyism
46. Signing statements
47. Unilateral Executive doctrine
48. Overuse and abuse of the National Guard and Reserves
49. Increasing unpreparedness of US ground forces (Army and Marines)
50. US balance of trade deficit
51. 2005 Grassley Bankruptcy bill
52. Mexican cross border trucking and safety concerns
53. Karl Rove’s security clearance and no firing of Libby co-conspirators
54. Detention of families for immigration violations
55. Dubai Ports deal
56. The Patriot Act; the Patriot Act extension
57. Attempts to privatize Social Security
58. The War on Science
59. David Safavian, former head of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy
60. Presidential adviser Claude Allen stealing from Target
61. Bush casually admits about lying about decision to fire Rumsfeld
62. Armstrong Williams and paid propagandists
63. Decimation of the Labor Department
64. Net neutrality and media policies

What I could never understand is the nearly across the board fawning over Reid for the past few years. I’ve been wondering what the hell I’m missing, what does everyone else is see in this guy. Jesus, we have a Republican as our Democratic leader. HE’S A FRICKIN REPUBLICAN.

Anti-abortion, anti-gay, pro-gun, pro-Shievo Bill, pro-Bankruptcy Bill, and originally pro-war with more big business ties than you can shake a stick at.

hey, OKK!~

Digby also has transcripts of Fox panelists’ one-sided comments the last time Fox hosted a Demo debate. digby link

Think Progress on pardon:

Newsweek reports that Scooter Libby “does not qualify to even be considered for a presidential pardon under Justice Department guidelines,” which in part “require a petitioner to wait a period of at least five years after conviction or release from confinement (whichever is later) before filing a pardon application.” President Bush can easily waive the rules, but up until now he “seems to have followed those guidelines religiously.”

emphasis mine.

I don’t know why you guys are complaining? The distinction between Dems and Reps is gone. Over. There is one big political party that has many levels of incompetence and corruption. There’s three flavors of politicians: incompetent, incompetent and corrupt, and competently corrupt.

Hugh,
Have mercy on us, we’re on the same side! That list is the thing of which nightmares are made.

this is what I dont get – why would the dems even give this forum to FAUX news? FAUX news has a strong bias against democratic views so why allow them to hold this debate – the dems will never be given a fair shake at that ” news outlet”! kudos to edwards for refusing to be a part of this fiasco in the making. hey reid stop kissing up to wingnuts!

aki @ 71

What I could never understand is the nearly across the board fawning over Reid for the past few years. I’ve been wondering what the hell I’m missing, what does everyone else is see in this guy. Jesus, we have a Republican as our Democratic leader. HE’S A FRICKIN REPUBLICAN.

Anti-abortion, anti-gay, pro-gun, pro-Shievo Bill, pro-Bankruptcy Bill, and originally pro-war with more big business ties than you can shake a stick at.

He says or does something sharp just often enough that people assume that he’s employing some kind of ingenious rope-a-dope tactic of just *pretending* to not fight back.

Eli @
30

I don’t get it either. Reid was pretty good as Minority Leader. Maybe he needs to be in the opposition to function fully?

He wasn’t *that* good. He had some nice moments, but there was no opposition to the bankruptcy bill, no opposition to Roberts, no opposition to Alito, barely any opposition to the Torture Good, Habeas Bad Act.

He wasn’t as good a minority leader as the current minority has now. They seem to be quite a bit more adept at blocking any legislation they’re against than we were when we were the minority.

Hugh, please add #65:

Presidential Daily Brief 8/01: Bin Laden determined to attack in US

RevDeb @ 75

Think Progress on pardon:

Newsweek reports that Scooter Libby “does not qualify to even be considered for a presidential pardon under Justice Department guidelines,” which in part “require a petitioner to wait a period of at least five years after conviction or release from confinement (whichever is later) before filing a pardon application.” President Bush can easily waive the rules, but up until now he “seems to have followed those guidelines religiously.”

emphasis mine.

Nothing a little presidential signing statement or executive order can’t fix.

Joe just said we owe the “To Catch a Predator Staff” a debt of ingratitude!

David Gergen should be made to read Hugh’s list as penance, aloud, on AC360

Regarding the five-year pardon clock, W can check with his lower father on that: Weinberger et al.

rwcole @
17

If the Wilsons win the civil suit- will they get the royalties from Libby’s fucking bear novel?

I think he should change the title to that- “Libby’s Fucking Bear Novel.”

Sell more copies???

aki@74 – u nailed it – re reid!

I am disappointed in Mr. Reid.

Did Ellen Tauscher quit the Blue Dogs?

juslin @ 89

aki@74 – u nailed it – re reid!

Thanks. I have to tell you, I’ve felt totally alone on this subject. I’ve even caught a good amount of flack and worse on a few boards for even suggesting that Reid wasn’t a good Democrat.

Why doesn’t Harry have the Democratic candidates save their breath and just donate their money directly to the Republican party? Because that essentially is all a debate aired on Fox will accomplish. And in my book Edwards just won this debate by refusing to participate in it. Good on him!

Does anyone know if Howard Dean has weighed in on the Nevada Democrats and FOX disasterous idea?

TeddySanFran @ 87

Did Ellen Tauscher quit the Blue Dogs?

Maybe she’s on her way to becoming a repug.

‘night knuckleheads

TeddySanFran @ 83

Hugh, please add #65:

Presidential Daily Brief 8/01: Bin Laden determined to attack in US

yep, that’s the one!

Oh and you could always add his talking with his mouth full of roll to Yo, Blair! and the Merkle massage.

And his refusal to call for a cease fire in Lebanon.

Letting the Saudis outta here and also the Spies for Israel go on home after 9/11.

Oh and becoming BFF with Musharref and his Taliban and letting India have those nifty nukes.

Oh and though Divine Strake has been cancelled, we are moving right along with our new age nukes. (so much for the NPT)

Kyoto Protocol– nixed

Cluster bomb treaty– nixed

Constitution– nearly nixed

aki @ 89

juslin @ 89

aki@74 – u nailed it – re reid!

Thanks. I have to tell you, I’ve felt totally alone on this subject. I’ve even caught a good amount of flack and worse on a few boards for even suggesting that Reid wasn’t a good Democrat.

I get kinda sick of reading stuff like “Reid knows what he’s doing – you’ll see.”

After he flatly stated that the habeas bill had no chance, and it then proceeded to sail through, that should have been the point at which he lost all remaining credibility as a leader.

Reid was a boxer who learned to fight by the Marquis of Queensberry rules. The better rule for his current situation is:

Don’t bring a knife to a gunfight.

infoshaman @ 96

Reid was a boxer who learned to fight by the Marquis of Queensberry rules. The better rule for his current situation is:

Don’t bring a knife to a gunfight.

Don’t bring your fists to a knife fight.

*Or* a gunfight.

I hate to admit this (no I don’t) but Fox News is some of the funniest s**t on television.

That’s why I watch. Ir’s not just for 29 percenters !

raven @
66

ccmask @ 57

My wingnut coworker uses Fox as his home page.

Shit, I spent last week in Lynchburg, Va and Fox was on EVERYWHERE! Coffee shops, bars, every restaurant. . .

It’s Lynchburg, Jake.

I’d like him to act like a good and angry Democrat

well aki i’m definitely on your side here – i’ve always felt that reid is weak and ineffectual. no leadership ability IMHO a repug in dem clothing…………….. as far as i know howard dean hasnt issued a statement yet……………..

Don’t forget — Harry Reid is a forced birth advocate.

Oh- the Max Blumenthal Semper Fi is now available!

Oh, Sanchez is “bad at being gay”

video can be viewed here

Watch for the TRex mention at 4:02

Last month, Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean defended the decision to work with Fox, saying the debate was “about talking to voters, not a network.” A Fox executive echoed that view on Wednesday.

“It’s unfortunate that Sen. Edwards has decided to abandon an opportunity to reach the largest mainstream cable news audience in America,” Fox News vice president for news John Rhodes said in a statement.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02137.html

Now, why couldn’t Leahy or somebody with ooomph be the Democratic Leader?

why?

I have grown to really dislike Harry Reid over the past year. As Eli at 98 pointed out, he shoudl have stopped the habeas bill. In general he has been way too deferential to an exeuctive branch that is clearly out of control. And with this”give ‘em hell harry” boxer velvet glove cast in iron he’s trying to fashion for himself, it’s even more infuriating when he doesn’t stand up or doesn’t keep his democrats in line on issues like Alito.

KML at 11: “Reid is turning into a real jackass.” No, that’s the problem: he’s not being a donkey at all. He’s being a weakling, a pushover, and a triangulator.

I absolutely detest the DLC.

err…
angie says:
March 7th, 2007 at 6:25 pm
Hi Uppity Gal.

Hi! ((waves))

appreciate the shout out…went to go read some other places. just now getting to that ABSOLUTE trash, misleading, fraudulent OpEd piece from the WaPo. wtf? Are they trying to compete with the WSJ editorial board?
The Libby Verdict
The serious consequences of a pointless Washington scandal
Wednesday, March 7, 2007; Page A16
WaPo CRAP editorial

at least the first comments were condemning them…ACK! I didn’t have the energy to add my disdain…perhaps tomorrow.

The only time I can remember cheering for Harry was when he shut down the Senate invoking Rule 21 (I think). That was it. We’ve given him lots of room since to do something, anything and it hasn’t happened.

RevDeb @ 108

The only time I can remember cheering for Harry was when he shut down the Senate invoking Rule 21 (I think). That was it. We’ve given him lots of room since to do something, anything and it hasn’t happened.

And what was the outcome? I seem to recall that all he got was an empty promise from Pat Roberts.

Think Progress says Newsweek is reporting that Scooter can’t even petition for a pardon for five years under DOJ guidlines.

EDIT: Of course, that doesn’t really matter.

RevDeb @71: Thanks for the update on Steve Gilliard. Glad to hear he’s out of surgery and hope he’s quickly on the mend.

Eli @ 108

RevDeb @ 108

The only time I can remember cheering for Harry was when he shut down the Senate invoking Rule 21 (I think). That was it. We’ve given him lots of room since to do something, anything and it hasn’t happened.

And what was the outcome? I seem to recall that all he got was an empty promise from Pat Roberts.

Yep. And no follow through since.

RevDeb @ 112

Yep. And no follow through since.

My recollection as well. I guess he sure showed them.

RevDeb @ 111

The only time I can remember cheering for Harry was when he shut down the Senate invoking Rule 21 (I think). That was it. We’ve given him lots of room since to do something, anything and it hasn’t happened.

Tom Daschle was behind the curtain on that, his idea.

Hugh: How about…

EPA director Whitman giving the all-clear for New Yorkers to return to Ground Zero when in fact the wreckage was continuing to generate toxic fumes?

I remember watching the Fox Noise/ABC-hosted Democratic debate in ‘03 (Britt Hume and Peter Jennings).

First, they made sure the lighting was deadly dreadful on all the democratic candidates. It’s really hard to make Wes Clark and John Edwards look terrible but Faux very carefully managed it – no accident.

And second, ABC’s Peter Jennings (who was not one of the good guys, imo) badgered Wes Clark about Michael Moore’s comments (when Wes defended Michael’s freedom of speech), then turned it over to Fox, the rightwing noise machine and ABC to make sure Clark was tied to “that traitor Michael Moore” until he dropped out of the race.

Oh, and I think that was also the debate where Lieberman said Bush had told him privately that he was the only democrat who could beat him. Looking back on it now it seems that Lieberman was collaborating with the administration even back then – nice little nugget for Joe to throw out to the Fox audience.

Fox ALWAYS plays dirty – for all the reasons you say, Jane, and because Fox will be sandbagging all the candidates, NO democrat should go anywhere near that smear circus.

Wouldn’t it be great if Faux hosted a debate and nobody came?

nancy pelosi needs to put her foot squarely in reids ass to wake him up – as usual a strong woman has to try and toughen up a spineless man i daresay…………

Oh, and the Sago mining disaster hearings and the boosh appointee (David Dye of MHSA) who walked out of the hearings!

Damn, I suddenly feel better. I was starting to think the Democratic party was moving away from me.

Hugh,
If you are looking to add to your list, how about adding 2 appts shrub made to head the office of Women’s health, the first was a wife abuser who counseled women to use the Bible as a health aid and the second a veterinarian (that one didn’t make it through but the next wasn’t any better.) All of his appts. for that office have been disasters.

How about Harriet Miers nomination (and love notes to Bush). Does that count?

aki @ 118

Damn, I suddenly feel better. I was starting to think the Democratic party was moving away from me.

The *citizen* part isn’t…

AIPAC is the answer. I believe that Reid is the largest recipient of AIPAC money in the Senate. He is their slave when it comes to ME policy.

Aren’t we missing the obvious here? Didn’t I read a few months ago that the Clintons and Rupert Murdoch had made friends with each other? …and Bill’s little song and dance on Fox, don’t you think that was a good act?

So why shouldn’t Harry do what he did re Fox? Aren’t they all sleeping in the same bed these days?

Senate’s Closed-Session Move Borne Out of Daschle’s Strategy

It took Democrats about five seconds to trigger the parliamentary move that forced the Senate into a rare closed session this week, but it was more than a year in the planning.

http://blog.reidreport.com/200…..schle.html

one more– his sole veto– of stem cell research!

I really will never forget how much pain, death, and hopelessness he has caused to our world.

Dover Bitch @ 124

How about Harriet Miers nomination (and love notes to Bush). Does that count?

The scandal in that case, aside from nominating an unqualified asskisser, was caving in to the right wing and replacing her with a wingnut.

angie @ 124

I really will never forget how much pain, death, and hopelessness he has caused to our world.

Mama told him to play to his strengths.

neurophius @ 125

The scandal in that case, aside from nominating an unqualified asskisser, was caving in to the right wing and replacing her with a wingnut.

When was the last time Dubya appointed someone who *wasn’t* an unqualified asskisser, raving right-wing loon, or both?

(Actually, Gates has been a bit of a pleasant surprise, but the bar has been set really really low…)

neurophius @ 128

Dover Bitch @ 124

How about Harriet Miers nomination (and love notes to Bush). Does that count?

The scandal in that case, aside from nominating an unqualified asskisser, was caving in to the right wing and replacing her with a wingnut.

I agree with that.

How about the billions being wasted on the missile defense shield?

angie @ 97

TeddySanFran @ 83

Hugh, please add #65:

Presidential Daily Brief 8/01: Bin Laden determined to attack in US

yep, that’s the one!

Oh and you could always add his talking with his mouth full of roll to Yo, Blair! and the Merkle massage.

And his refusal to call for a cease fire in Lebanon.

Letting the Saudis outta here and also the Spies for Israel go on home after 9/11.

Oh and becoming BFF with Musharref and his Taliban and letting India have those nifty nukes.

Oh and though Divine Strake has been cancelled, we are moving right along with our new age nukes. (so much for the NPT)

Kyoto Protocol– nixed

Cluster bomb treaty– nixed

Constitution– nearly nixed

and gutting posse comitatus

I got name-checked on Ollll-bermannnnnn!!

I got name-checked on Olllll-bermannnn!!

I rule.

You may now all refer to me as “M’Lord”.

Thank you.

A little off-topic, but I’m watching CSPAN’s Washington Journal from today, and about an hour and a quarter in, the guest is Rep Marcy Kaptur, D-Ohio and she is looking into the debacle at Walter Reed – she has discovered that the Halliburton subsidiary, IAP, is chaired by ….wait for it….one-time George HW Bush Vice President, Dan Quayle. Mr Potatoe hisself…

Small world, eh?

TRex @ 133

I got name-checked on Ollll-bermannnnnn!!

I got name-checked on Olllll-bermannnn!!

I rule.

You may now all refer to me as “M’Lord”.

Thank you.

M’Lord T-Rex – may we have a linky please?

M’Lord, TRex, Bill Oraly gets mentioned on KO too.

TRex rules.

TRex…err m’lord…

I posted a link to the video above.

Again, this is the link.

4:02 into. Semper Fi, TRex!

Here it is:

A couple more seconds shaved off my 15 minutes of fame thanks to Max Blumenthal.

Yay!

Max is such a cutie.

Valley Girl @ 104

Oh- the Max Blumenthal Semper Fi is now available!

Oh, Sanchez is “bad at being gay”

video can be viewed here

Watch for the TRex mention at 4:02

here is the linky, courtesy of VG

Hello Jane and thank you again for your insight and good work to bring together all the great posters and for building a great community in the process!!

I send you every positive thought and good energy for your health.

I have not carefully read the list of Bushcrimes, but health insurance pandering, the undermining of access to drugs, the foisting of bad drugs and the general failure of the government to understand the critical condition of our unhealth care system should be on there.

brendan @
108

KML at 11: “Reid is turning into a real jackass.” No, that’s the problem: he’s not being a donkey at all. He’s being a weakling, a pushover, and a triangulator.

LOL, that was pretty funny!

I meant “jackass” in the most negative light possible.

I bet you knew that though. ;)

SNAP SNAP SNAP, Suz and TRex. Semper Fi!

That Politics tv was the best video yet. The girls get better & better. I just watched it three times. lol

Opening up Bristol Bay, the last pristine large-scale salmon fishery in the world, to oil drilling.

I’m compiling the additions to Hugh’s list. I’m assuming he went to the trouble of creating it himself. If it is OK with Hugh, I’ll post the completed list at the bottom of THIS thread before comments are closed.

We’re coming up on #80. Mine was #78.

Here is why we’re in trouble….

Instead of worrying about crooks like Tim Griffin getting a free ride to the office of the US Attorney for the Eastern District of Arkansas. Here are the things Mark Pryor is worried about this week.

Protecting Kids from Indecency on TV

Cleaning Up the Internet (anti net neutrality!)

Preventing Identity Theft

Protecting Phone Records

Keeping the Peace: The national Do-Not-Call Registry

Reducing Car Accidents on Kids (Huh…ON kids?)

Improving Fuel Economy

And General Clark is endorsing this (Student of Lieberman) Senator for reelection.

Are the dubiously named Clear Skies Act and Healthy Forest Inititive on the list?

I am distressed at Clark’s endorsement. I was hoping for a challenge to Pryor from him.

How about when they first took over the WH & claimed the Dems had trashed the place?

Eli @
35

Rayne @
25

OT — Holy crap. I just heard Pat Buchanan say BOTH conservatives and neo-conversatives are hypocritical to call for the pardon of Scooter Libby after the drive to impeach Clinton.

Did the earth crack open? Are the Four Horsemen riding among us? Jeepers.

Maybe I shouldn’t have had that second beer at my DFA Meetup…

Buchanan’s a complete bastard, but he’s not a knee-jerk Republican loyalist.

Buchanan was commenting last night that the Dems will never investigate Iraq because they’ve totally failed in their Constitutional duties in allowing this war to begin with.

Unfortunately, truer words were never spoken.

How about Leandro Aragoncillo — the first spy ever arrested while working in the (Cheney) White House?

Trex can now watch his named mentioned dozens of times a day. I bet he won’t get a swelled head about this. *g*

Here are a few more items for the Bush list:

1. Defunding overseas AIDS programs that promoted condom use for prevention.

2. Abandoning a robust engagement in resolving the Arab/Israeli conflict.

3. Call for a constitutional amendment declaring marriage to be between one man and one woman.

Re: Hugh’s List

This may seem trivial in itself, but its symbolic value is monumental: at the National Park Service gift shop at the Grand Canyon, selling books that explain how God made the Grand Canyon six thousand years ago. In a larger sense, the entire push to theocricize America.

Did I just make up a word?

Here are the additions to Hugh’s list, so far:

65. Presidential Daily Brief 8/01: Bin Laden determined to attack in US
And his refusal to call for a cease fire in Lebanon.

Letting the Saudis outta here and also the Spies for Israel go on home after 9/11.

Oh and becoming BFF with Musharref and his Taliban and letting India have those nifty nukes.

Oh and though Divine Strake has been cancelled, we are moving right along with our new age nukes. (so much for the NPT)

Kyoto Protocol– nixed

66. Cluster bomb treaty– nixed
67. EPA director Whitman giving the all-clear for New Yorkers to return to Ground Zero when in fact the wreckage was continuing to generate toxic fumes?
68. Oh, and the Sago mining disaster hearings and the boosh appointee (David Dye of MHSA) who walked out of the hearings!
69. How about Harriet Miers nomination (and love notes to Bush). Does that count
70. one more– his sole veto– of stem cell research!
71. The scandal in that case, aside from nominating an unqualified asskisser, was caving in to the right wing and replacing her with a wingnut
72. How about the billions being wasted on the missile defense shield?
73. and gutting posse comitatus
74. I have not carefully read the list of Bushcrimes, but health insurance pandering, the undermining of access to drugs, the foisting of bad drugs and the general failure of the government to understand the critical condition of our unhealth care system should be on there.
75. Opening up Bristol Bay, the last pristine large-scale salmon fishery in the world, to oil drilling.
76. Are the dubiously named Clear Skies Act and Healthy Forest Inititive on the list?
77. How about when they first took over the WH & claimed the Dems had trashed the place?

Sixty-five actually has three extras, so we’re at #80 or so…

How about forced abortions for the indentured women in the Marianas?

ccmask @ 146

How about when they first took over the WH & claimed the Dems had trashed the place?

You mean when they took over the H, right?

Congrats, TRex! Producers and bookers all over the MSM are saying “TRex? TRex? Can we get him?” May this be only the beginning of a clamoring for your bon mots….

Re: the topic above, Harry reminds me of Daschle in that he puts being “gentlemanly” above all else. I think I remember during the Alito cloture vote fiasco he specifically said he didn’t think it was his place to tell the other Senators how to vote. Umm, excuse me, Mr. Leader?? (Sorry, no link, just going on recollection.) Unfortunately, he is neither a leader nor a very good chess player, and McConnell is running rings around him.

ccmask @ 151

How about when they first took over the WH & claimed the Dems had trashed the place?

Took the “W’s” off all the computer keypads, super glued the door locks in the White House and stole all the ashtrays off Air Force One. It just never ends…

Dover Bitch @ 158

How about forced abortions for the indentured women in the Marianas?

The administration is trying to short Native American trust funds by billions of dollars and want to renege on its Trust Responsibility to Indian Country.

Eli @ 159

ccmask @ 146

How about when they first took over the WH & claimed the Dems had trashed the place?

You mean when they took over the H, right?

When the Republicans entered the white house for the first time, they claimed that the Dems stole the W’s off the keyboards and basically trashed the place. Later proven, untrue.

TRox!

Even with a swelled head, he won’t fall over. Attack, attack, ataaaakk!

Hugh’s List: Did I miss Gannon/Guckert? A “working” male prostitute in the White House press corps, with many documented trips into the WH off-hours, working for an obvious political front group, and no real journalistic training. Imagine this happening with a Democrat as Prez. Would probably have lead to removal from office. Now, a large majority of the public probably has no knowledge of this whatsoevah…

AZ Matt @ 154

Trex can now watch his named mentioned dozens of times a day. I bet he won’t get a swelled head about this. *g*

I’m sorry, I can’t hear you. My head won’t fit through the door!

Was the Mark Foley fiasco listed in Hugh’s list. Where they all knew what was going on but kept quiet?

Cozumel @ 161

ccmask @ 151

How about when they first took over the WH & claimed the Dems had trashed the place?

Took the “W’s” off all the computer keypads, super glued the door locks in the White House and stole all the ashtrays off Air Force One. It just never ends…

Maybe if we remind Fred Hiatt of that, he’ll have the subject for his next editorial.

Also, the filming of soldier coffins not allowed.

bonkers,I was just having the same thought and preparing to go back up to the list and see if that was on it. It wasn’t.

Cozumel and ccmask ? seriously?

TRex @ 166

AZ Matt @ 154

Trex can now watch his named mentioned dozens of times a day. I bet he won’t get a swelled head about this. *g*

I’m sorry, I can’t hear you. My head won’t fit through the door!

Just put an icepack on it and I am sure the swelling will go down in a year or two.

There are two things a good debate needs: debaters and an audience

What if they don’t have either one. Maybe they should truly just get together and decide this was a bad deal and reschedule elsewhere. If enough of us decide to let them know we won’t be watching, seems to me they’ll have no choice.

How about all the people who were forcibly removed from rallies for wearing t-shirts… Mothers of dead soldiers denied access to speaking engagements… “The Denver Three…” Just the absurdity of the pre-screened audiences…

How about the suspicious wiring on Bush’s back during the debates?

How about “Huh-huh… Wanna buy some wood?”

I’m watching Gen. Peter Pace on C-Span. Is this guy all there?

Withdrawal from the Antiballistic Missile Treaty… It kinda goes along with the Missile Shield item.

Eureka Springs, AR @ 171

Cozumel and ccmask ? seriously?

Yes

It’s one never ending big ole propaganda machine

Eureka: http://impressive.net/archives…..essive.net

Redshift @ 8

Trex on KO! (I’m watching on Tivo, so I’m a few minutes behind…)

No Way! Really? What’s Trex talking about?

What a hoot!

Making a lapdog of the media. One example is Cheney leaking false information about WMDs to the New York Times, then going on TV and citing the resulting NYT article as his source to prove that there are WMDs in Iraq.

Also, the practice of denying reporters journalistic access to administration officials if they don’t play ball as robotic stenographers for the White House.

Who raised these children?

How about that Tillman guy? That was another big lie story.

Late Nite approaches.

I’m going to warn you guys. The image at the top of the post may be deeply disturbing to some viewers. Parental discretion is advised.

neurophius @ 170

bonkers,I was just having the same thought and preparing to go back up to the list and see if that was on it. It wasn’t.

When that happened, I remember thinking this was gonna be it. This would be the big one that would bring down the cabal since the religious nuts wouldn’t tolerate it. Man, was I ever wrong. So many much bigger scandals since, and still Dems showing no signs of removing these haters of the Constitution.

So, instead of Bush running to Walter Reed, he sends Dole? Did Bush go to the hospital yet after this mess? It’s just like him to send one of his pioneering rangers. I’m watching C-Span pulling my hair out and stabbing myself in the eye.

Sorry if I missed it, but is Abu Ghraib on Hugh’s list?

What about the choice Bush merit selection process–Bernie Kerik, Michael Brown, Harriet Miers, John Bolton?

TRex @ 183

Late Nite approaches.

I’m going to warn you guys. The image at the top of the post may be deeply disturbing to some viewers. Parental discretion is advised.

We will see if your walk is as good as your talk!!

ccmask @ 151

How about when they first took over the WH & claimed the Dems had trashed the place?

Yes! All the “stolen Ws” from the computer keyboards. NOT

How about the thousands of laptops lost by the FBI, IRS and Commerce Dept.

TRex @ 183

Late Nite approaches.

I’m going to warn you guys. The image at the top of the post may be deeply disturbing to some viewers. Parental discretion is advised.

I thought they just TALKED about you on KO…

CityGirl @ 186

Sorry if I missed it, but is Abu Ghraib on Hugh’s list?

What about the choice Bush merit selection process–Bernie Kerik, Michael Brown, Harriet Miers, John Bolton?

INTELLIGENT DESIGN IN SCHOOLS

The best was Jeb Bush giving all that Hurricane money away before the election down in Miami. Then, after the election, they sent them all letters asking for it back.

Ann in AZ @ 173

There are two things a good debate needs: debaters and an audience

What if they don’t have either one. Maybe they should truly just get together and decide this was a bad deal and reschedule elsewhere. If enough of us decide to let them know we won’t be watching, seems to me they’ll have no choice.

Sounds like a good plan for the FireDogLake battalion of countless Democrats who could once again lead by doing throughout the blogosphere. I take it Hillary and Obama have already agreed to Harry’s absurd plan to let Fox in his Nevada henhouse?

Hugh’s list as amended by fdl and compiled by ET is approaching 100.

Bushworld – where you can hardly keep track of the f*uckups in real time. Giving snafu an entirely new dimension.

I thought the list was for impeachment-worthy scandals – not just fuckups

dont know if this was mentioned – how about we’re going to rebuild new orleans and the levees……………….

newspaperbrat @ 193

Ann in AZ @ 173

There are two things a good debate needs: debaters and an audience

What if they don’t have either one. Maybe they should truly just get together and decide this was a bad deal and reschedule elsewhere. If enough of us decide to let them know we won’t be watching, seems to me they’ll have no choice.

Sounds like a good plan for the FireDogLake battalion of countless Democrats who could once again lead by doing throughout the blogosphere. I take it Hillary and Obama have already agreed to Harry’s absurd plan to let Fox in his Nevada henhouse?

Here’s the roster so far. My favorite response is from Mrs. Clinton’s campaign: “Too early to make a decision”

Finger in the wind much, dear?

M’Lord TRex is upstairs

Suzanne @ 195

I thought the list was for impeachment-worthy scandals – not just fuckups

when compared to what? What Clinton went through?

Serkiously, I’ll edit it down to that level when this thread cools down when TRex opens up shop, if that’s what is best.

Can we send Hugh’s amended list to David “Bush Administration untouched by scandal” Gergen?

david_gergen@ksg.harvard.edu

Why, yes. We can!

OK firedogs – time to finally draw up the IMPEACHMENT PAPERS – the listing is FDL is wayyyyyyyyy more than is needed says i – what say you all ;o}……………

TeddySanFran @ 195

Can we send Hugh’s amended list to David “Bush Administration untouched by scandal” Gergen?

david_gergen@ksg.harvard.edu

Why, yes. We can!

Oh PLEASE. Pretty please?

ET, it was just my humble memory – which has been known to be faulty in the past.

Suzanne @ 195

I thought the list was for impeachment-worthy scandals – not just fuckups

I was just throwing them out there. I decided that impeachment was in order the day I heard about the wiretapping. Until then, I thought we had a rotten president, not a criminal in office.

Now that latenight is going, here’s the raw, unedited liist so far:

1. Walter Reed
2. Fired US attorneys
3. Scooter Libby/Plamegate
4. Iraq: lack of preparation for occupation, looting, including the National Museum, too few troops, lack of training, lack of equipment, lack of securing loose Iraqi munitions, disbanding the Iraqi army, banning the Baathists, the CPA, Paul Bremer, losing tons of money literally, lack of international inclusion in reconstruction and security, weak Constitution, formation of sectarian parties, weak government
5. Afghanistan and the resurgent Taliban and opium production
6. Iran and saber rattling
7. North Korea, ditching the 1994 agreement because of dubious uranium program, the plutonium program which led to a fizzled first nuclear test, and something like a return to the 1994 agreement
8. Osama bin Laden, where are you? Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and terrorism
9. Civilian contractors
10. The Military Commissions Act: torture, indefinite detention, the end of habeas corpus, and kangaroo courts
11. Hurricanes Rita and Katrina, the destruction of New Orleans, and the aftermath
12. NSA wiretapping
13. SWIFT surveillance of financial transactions
14. Black prisons and extraordinary rendition
15. Homeland Security: white elephant (organization), black hole (money)
16. K Street Lobbyists, Jack Abramoff
17. Kyle “Dusty” Foggo and the CIA follies
18. Duke Cunningham
19. Tom Delay
20. Mark Foley
21. Cheney and Energy Policy
22. Tax cuts for the wealthiest
23. Global warming: refusal to join Kyoto, denial of manmade origin, continued reliance on fossil and carbon based fuels, little movement on CAFE standards and conservation, political interference in scientific reports (Good guys: Hansen, Peltz; bad guys: Cooney, Deutsch), listening to Michael Crichton
24. Terri Schiavo
25. Big budget deficits and vastly increased national debt
26. The stacking of the federal judiciary
27. Medicare
28. Medicare Part D
29. Healthcare (in general)
30. Cooked intelligence and the Office of Strategic Plans/ Doug Feith
31. 2000 Presidential election
32. 2004 Presidential election
33. Attempts to torpedo the 911 Commission
34. Failure to implement 911 recommendations
35. Marginalization of the UN; John Bolton
36. Preventive war doctrine
37. Loss of US reputation internationally
38. No serious attempt to achieve peace between Israelis and Palestinians
39. Underfunding of basic research
40. Alberto Gonzales
41. FDA: RU 486; drug testing
42. EPA: mercury levels for coal plants
43. Porter Goss and the gutting of the CIA
44. Militarization of intelligence
45. Rampant cronyism
46. Signing statements
47. Unilateral Executive doctrine
48. Overuse and abuse of the National Guard and Reserves
49. Increasing unpreparedness of US ground forces (Army and Marines)
50. US balance of trade deficit
51. 2005 Grassley Bankruptcy bill
52. Mexican cross border trucking and safety concerns
53. Karl Rove’s security clearance and no firing of Libby co-conspirators
54. Detention of families for immigration violations
55. Dubai Ports deal
56. The Patriot Act; the Patriot Act extension
57. Attempts to privatize Social Security
58. The War on Science
59. David Safavian, former head of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy
60. Presidential adviser Claude Allen stealing from Target
61. Bush casually admits about lying about decision to fire Rumsfeld
62. Armstrong Williams and paid propagandists
63. Decimation of the Labor Department
64. Net neutrality and media policies
65. Presidential Daily Brief 8/01: Bin Laden determined to attack in US
And his refusal to call for a cease fire in Lebanon.

Letting the Saudis outta here and also the Spies for Israel go on home after 9/11.

Oh and becoming BFF with Musharref and his Taliban and letting India have those nifty nukes.

Oh and though Divine Strake has been cancelled, we are moving right along with our new age nukes. (so much for the NPT)

Kyoto Protocol– nixed

66. Cluster bomb treaty– nixed
67. EPA director Whitman giving the all-clear for New Yorkers to return to Ground Zero when in fact the wreckage was continuing to generate toxic fumes?
68. Oh, and the Sago mining disaster hearings and the boosh appointee (David Dye of MHSA) who walked out of the hearings!
69. How about Harriet Miers nomination (and love notes to Bush). Does that count
70. one more– his sole veto– of stem cell research!
71. The scandal in that case, aside from nominating an unqualified asskisser, was caving in to the right wing and replacing her with a wingnut
72. How about the billions being wasted on the missile defense shield?
73. and gutting posse comitatus
74. I have not carefully read the list of Bushcrimes, but health insurance pandering, the undermining of access to drugs, the foisting of bad drugs and the general failure of the government to understand the critical condition of our unhealth care system should be on there.
75. Opening up Bristol Bay, the last pristine large-scale salmon fishery in the world, to oil drilling.
76. Are the dubiously named Clear Skies Act and Healthy Forest Inititive on the list?
77. How about when they first took over the WH & claimed the Dems had trashed the place?
78. How about Leandro Aragoncillo — the first spy ever arrested while working in the (Cheney) White House?
1. Defunding overseas AIDS programs that promoted condom use for prevention.

2. Abandoning a robust engagement in resolving the Arab/Israeli conflict.

79. 3. Call for a constitutional amendment declaring marriage to be between one man and one woman.
80. This may seem trivial in itself, but its symbolic value is monumental: at the National Park Service gift shop at the Grand Canyon, selling books that explain how God made the Grand Canyon six thousand years ago. In a larger sense, the entire push to theocricize America.
81. How about forced abortions for the indentured women in the Marianas?
82. Forced prostitution and drug addiction for same victims as in #81.
83. The administration is trying to short Native American trust funds by billions of dollars and want to renege on its Trust Responsibility to Indian Country.
84. Hugh’s List: Did I miss Gannon/Guckert? A “working” male prostitute in the White House press corps, with many documented trips into the WH off-hours, working for an obvious political front group, and no real journalistic training. Imagine this happening with a Democrat as Prez. Would probably have lead to removal from office. Now, a large majority of the public probably has no knowledge of this whatsoevah…
85. Was the Mark Foley fiasco listed in Hugh’s list. Where they all knew what was going on but kept quiet?
86. Also, the filming of soldier coffins not allowed.
How about all the people who were forcibly removed from rallies for wearing t-shirts… Mothers of dead soldiers denied access to speaking engagements… “The Denver Three…” Just the absurdity of the pre-screened audiences…

How about the suspicious wiring on Bush’s back during the debates?

87. How about “Huh-huh… Wanna buy some wood?”
88. Withdrawal from the Antiballistic Missile Treaty… It kinda goes along with the Missile Shield item.
89. How about that Tillman guy? That was another big lie story
90. Jessica Lynch myth
91. What about the choice Bush merit selection process–Bernie Kerik, Michael Brown, Harriet Miers, John Bolton?
92. How about the thousands of laptops lost by the FBI, IRS and Commerce Dept.
93. INTELLIGENT DESIGN IN SCHOOLS
94. The best was Jeb Bush giving all that Hurricane money away before the election down in Miami. Then, after the election, they sent them all letters asking for it back.
95. dont know if this was mentioned – how about we’re going to rebuild new orleans and the levees………………
96.

Suzanne @ 203

ET, it was just my humble memory – which has been known to be faulty in the past.

mine to, but we’ll keep a liddy on it…

My list so far of Bush era scandals:

1. Walter Reed outpatient treatment
2. Fired US attorneys
3. Scooter Libby/Plamegate
4. Iraq: lack of preparation for occupation, looting, including the National Museum, too few troops, lack of training, lack of equipment, lack of securing loose Iraqi munitions, disbanding the Iraqi army, banning the Baathists, the CPA, Paul Bremer, losing tons of money literally, lack of international inclusion in reconstruction and security, weak Constitution, formation of sectarian parties, weak government
5. Afghanistan and the resurgent Taliban and opium production
6. Iran and saber rattling
7. North Korea, ditching the 1994 agreement because of dubious uranium program, the plutonium program which led to a fizzled first nuclear test, and something like a return to the 1994 agreement
8. Osama bin Laden, where are you? Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and terrorism
9. Civilian contractors
10. The Military Commissions Act: torture, indefinite detention, the end of habeas corpus, and kangaroo courts
11. Hurricanes Rita and Katrina, the destruction of New Orleans, and the aftermath
12. NSA wiretapping
13. SWIFT surveillance of financial transactions
14. Black prisons and extraordinary rendition
15. Homeland Security: white elephant (organization), black hole (money)
16. K Street Lobbyists, Jack Abramoff
17. Kyle “Dusty” Foggo and the CIA follies
18. Duke Cunningham
19. Tom Delay
20. Mark Foley
21. Cheney and Energy Policy
22. Tax cuts for the wealthiest
23. Global warming: refusal to join Kyoto, denial of manmade origin, continued reliance on fossil and carbon based fuels, little movement on CAFE standards and conservation, political interference in scientific reports (Good guys: Hansen, Peltz; bad guys: Cooney, Deutsch), listening to Michael Crichton
24. Terri Schiavo
25. Big budget deficits and vastly increased national debt
26. The stacking of the federal judiciary
27. Medicare
28. Medicare Part D
29. Healthcare (in general)
30. Cooked intelligence and the Office of Strategic Plans/ Doug Feith
31. 2000 Presidential election
32. 2004 Presidential election
33. Attempts to torpedo the 911 Commission
34. Failure to implement 911 recommendations
35. Marginalization of the UN; John Bolton
36. Preventive war doctrine
37. Loss of US reputation internationally
38. No serious attempt to achieve peace between Israelis and Palestinians
39. Underfunding of basic research
40. Alberto Gonzales
41. FDA: drug testing
42. EPA: mercury levels for coal plants
43. Porter Goss and the gutting of the CIA
44. Militarization of intelligence
45. Rampant cronyism
46. Signing statements
47. Unilateral Executive doctrine
48. Overuse and abuse of the National Guard and Reserves; posse comitatus
49. Increasing unpreparedness of US ground forces (Army and Marines)
50. US balance of trade deficit
51. 2005 Grassley Bankruptcy bill
52. Mexican cross border trucking and safety concerns
53. Karl Rove’s security clearance and no firing of Libby co-conspirators
54. Detention of families for immigration violations
55. Dubai Ports deal
56. The Patriot Act; the Patriot Act extension
57. Attempts to privatize Social Security
58. The War on Science
59. David Safavian, former head of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy
60. Presidential adviser Claude Allen stealing from Target
61. Bush casually admits about lying about decision to fire Rumsfeld
62. Armstrong Williams and paid propagandists
63. Decimation of the Labor Department
64. Net neutrality and media policies
65. Backing Israel while it destroyed Lebanon
66. Presidential Daily Brief 8/01: Bin Laden determined to attack in US
67. EPA chief Christie Todd Whitman declares Ground Zero safe for cleanup
68. Sago mining disaster hearings and MHSA’s David Dye who walked out of the hearings
69. Harriet Miers nomination to the Supreme Court
70. Vetoing stem cell research
71. Attack on Plan B contraception, staffing Women’s Health positions with religious conservatives: Dr. Eric Keroack at Health and Human Services who thought birth control demeaning to women and Dr. David Hager at FDA who tried to keep Plan B prescription only. His wife contended in divorce proceedings that he had repeatedly sodomized her without her consent.
72. Clear Skies Act and Healthy Forest Restoration Act
73. Missile defense shield that doesn’t work; withdrawal from ABM Treaty
74. Leandro Aragoncillo naturalized Filipino-American in Cheney’s office (previously Gore’s) accused of spying for the Philippines and possibly France, pled guilty to unlawfully possessing secret US government documents
75. Defunding overseas AIDS programs that promoted condom use for prevention.
76. Call for a constitutional amendment declaring marriage to be between one man and one woman.
77. Opening up Bristol Bay, the last pristine large-scale salmon fishery in the world, to oil drilling
78. Accusation that Clintons trashed the White House before leaving, including stealing the Ws from keyboards
79. Gannon/Guckert a working male prostitute in the White House press corps
80. Native American trust funds and the Trust Responsibility to Indian Country
81. Selling creationist materials at the Grand Canyon gift shop claiming it was 6000 years old
82. Banning photographing return of coffins of slain American soldiers
83. False military reporting: Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch
84. Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, Bagram

# 58- the War on Science- could probably be expanded to many counts- starting with “Global Warming” and continuing on from there.

pie @
33

I also picked up an old copy of Time magazine yesterday and happened to read this viewpoint by Alexandra Pelosi, written just after the 2006 election. In it she wrote:

George W. Bush and Nancy Pelosi both know that if you want to breathe the rarefied air at the highest echelons of the U.S. government, you have to ignore the media buzzards. When I was watching Fox News recently, and she walked into the room, I had to explain that Sean Hannity was spending the month leading up to the election warning America that Speaker Pelosi would destroy this nation. She asked, “Which one is Hannity?”

So as all of us spectators sit home on our couches watching the bloviators pontificate about the state of American politics, rest assured that George Bush and Nancy Pelosi are so busy that they do not hear a word of it. And if they did, they couldn’t care less. They have a country to run.

FWIW, which either isn’t much or it explains a lot.

And none of her staffers fills her in? Given how much Faux Noise went on for a few months about Nancy’s “San Francisco Values”, I find it hard to think she is that out of it. Hell, Feingold has admitted to watching Faux to keep an eye on the enemy, and he’s the best Senator in Washington.

I don’t want to hear from Harry Reid anymore. He’s shown himself to be a real tool and no more.

Chuck Shumer…when I saw him sitting on that Senate panel today, asking questions like he cared, all I could think of was the Senator in Godfather II who woke up with a dead prostitute and the crime family had locked up tighter than Bruce Jenner’s facial skin.

I’m tired of hearing from these guys. I want to hear from Jim Webb. I want to hear from Tim Walz (actually, you can in Minnesota this Sunday), and John Tester.

You know what I want; I want the best source of news I’ve read this year, FDL, to start interviewing members of congress. That’s what I want.

I’m tired of letting the MSM spoon feed me the words from these corporate tools.

TRex @ 135

I got name-checked on Ollll-bermannnnnn!!

I got name-checked on Olllll-bermannnn!!

I rule.

You may now all refer to me as “M’Lord”.

Thank you.

Oh mighty MLFKATr!

Just glad there’s no I in there.

I almost forgot:

85. AIPAC espionage scandal; former DOD employee Lawrence Franklin pled guilty to passing information on Iran to Israel through two AIPAC employees

Valley Girl @ 208

# 58- the War on Science- could probably be expanded to many counts- starting with “Global Warming” and continuing on from there.

Likewise with #56, the Patriot Act. There are a host of ills and ill gotten Executive powers tied to the enactment of that heinous piece of legislation.

add to the impeachment list – the co-conspirators – the m’effing M S M!!!

TRex @ Top:

…where else can we find out that Ann Coulter, Michelle MalKKKin, Hannity, and O’Reilly’s new BFF Cpl. Matt Sanchez is yet another gay hooker Republican with a slew of hardcore porn flicks on his resume with titles like “Jawbreaker”, “Donkey Dicks”, and “Glory Holes of Fame 3″. Ew.

Oh, this Matt Sanchez story is going to be a gift that keeps on giving for weeks. Thank you, CPAC!!!

From Matt Sanchez interview at JoeMyGod:

JMG: Do you consider yourself gay?

SANCHEZ: Boyfriends: 0 Fiance: 2 Wife: 1. I’d say I’m pretty bad at being gay.

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/search/label/Matt Sanchez

Vs.

Matt Sanchez (as Rod Majors) interview at Kristen Bjorn BBS (Gay Porn Director/Producer):

Q. Is there a porn star with whom you have never worked with whom you would have liked to costar in a video?

A. Hal Rockland is really attractive.

…

Q. Hello Rod: You are my ultimate fantasy man; hot, dark, exotic, Latino looking, with a great body, and a huge uncut cock! I wish you were still making videos! But since you’re not, can you tell us: What scene was your most memorable and got you the most turned on, and why?

A. I am Latino so its kind of normal that I look the way I do. A hot scene would be the one with Chip Daniels or the scene in Idol Country.

Yes, he’s just terrible at being gay.

Thanks TeddySF – actually quite encouraging so very few commitments have been made to date for the August event so something is giving the candidates pause. I know when you first posted the link to Give ‘Em Hell Harry it received some strong comments imploring him not to get in bed with FOX with the absurb & offensive plan. John Edwards have given those camps further pause, or so I would like to believe.

The netroots needs an action plan, stat! I’m going start with the Edwards campaign to start a Spring initiative on how to keep on leading by doing and challenging the other candidates to just say no to FOX and showing cc’s to Reid’s office. Letters to the editors and guest editorials from the net/grass roots would add more pressure – or am I just hopelessly naive?

I don’t trust Harry Reid. First, he’s from Nevada. Second, he’s from Nevada. Third, see the first two reasons. Reid should be tearing into these Republikers like a rabid hound dog, but instead he’s hesitating. Do the Republikers have some dirt on Reid? That’s the problem with Democratic politicians who aren’t real liberals. Conservatives are all crooks.

Harry Reid reminds me of cardboard.

Anyone who shows up on that damn network to allow the neocon fascists to frame the debate is toast. We should make it crystal clear that we will not stand for Lieberman-style defection.

thank god mr. reid is keeping the powder dry. there’s a boy scout jamboree in 2017 that’s gonna need it.

Hugh:

Jeff Gannon/James Guckert & Jack Abramoff

Add to the list:
Firing Bunny Greenhouse.
Initial aid offering after the SE Asia tsunami of something like $250,000
Refusing offers of help from other countries, including doctors from Cuba, for political reasons post Katrina.

But much of the Katrina and Rita and other hurricane issues should be teased apart because while they are one huge scandal they are made up of many large scandals including

Bush eating birthday cake and campaigning while NO drowns
Condi shoe shopping and going to Broadway shows post Katrina
People being refused access to the other side of the bridge in the aftermath of Katrina
People in Florida getting FEMA money when they had no hurricane damage (but their votes were needed)
Telling Brownie he was doing a heck of job when he wasn’t
Chertoff claiming not to know what had happened in NO except from the news

Oh and do you have that Bernie Kerik nomination in there?

And I just realized I am seriously outrage and scandal overloaded.

Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 220

thank god mr. reid is keeping the powder dry. there’s a boy scout jamboree in 2017 that’s gonna need it.

so that explains it!

poor harry its amazing how truly clueless he is does he have any advisors who can show him the way – to paraphrase peter frampton

For a long time we made fun of Republicans who fell for the carrot-on-a-stick tactic.

All the while, Harry Reid has been dangling a carrot in front of us, as we shout out ‘Give em hell harry!’

We’ve been fooled..And it became apparent to me when Reid backed Independant/Right-leaning Lieberman over Ned Lemont.

BTW Harry Reid’s phone message system is FULL. Hahah, get ready to hear a lot of advise, Harry!

I don’t know much about Reid- other than the fact that he comes from a slightly red state and probably reflects the views of the voters there. He has had nothing at all to do with this debate apparently- it wasn’t his idea- he didn’t propose it- and he has not supported it.

He may be an asshole- I don’t know- but he didn’t come up with this idea- it’s a local dem party idea.

harry reid has had serious problems all along. the man has his fingers in so many semi-rotten deals assoicated with public lands in Nevada, sell-outs to the mining industry, selling off public land to facilitate de-watering pipelines from central nevada to Las Vegas as part of crooked “wilderness” bills, smoothing the way for all his crony developers and family connections, that I am betting, especially with the Prosecutor Purge, someone has something, finally, on him that may stick. Unless he vacillates, cavils, and has no speine. PLEASE Dems, put Durbin in charge, and put Reid on the backmost bench.

Reid is just old school. He doesn’t get it with this progressive thing. He isn’t with the program, and isn’t likely to ever be. He is not an awful person, he is just mediocre and we shouldn’t expect that he is ever going to rise above himself.

Harry owes the party an explanation. Why has he allowed us to believe that pandering to Joe Lieberman was the only way to keep the majority?

holysmokes, Hugh! Fuckin’ Mr. Memory and you left out NO WMD! The biggest lie of all! (but I copied your list, just to savor – thanks)

Edwards just came up a notch in my estimation. Yeah! I think all Dem candidates and rank and file, and liberals, should totally boycott FOX.
They are not a legitimate news organization, and we are not masochists.

johnSwifty @
210

I don’t want to hear from Harry Reid anymore. He’s shown himself to be a real tool and no more.

Chuck Shumer…when I saw him sitting on that Senate panel today, asking questions like he cared, all I could think of was the Senator in Godfather II who woke up with a dead prostitute and the crime family had locked up tighter than Bruce Jenner’s facial skin.

I’m tired of hearing from these guys. I want to hear from Jim Webb. I want to hear from Tim Walz (actually, you can in Minnesota this Sunday), and John Tester.

You know what I want; I want the best source of news I’ve read this year, FDL, to start interviewing members of congress. That’s what I want.

I’m tired of letting the MSM spoon feed me the words from these corporate tools.

Don’t forget to add, I want to hear a lot more from Feingold. Hell, I echo what someone said the other day. Feingold for Majority Leader!!

I say give Harry a chance. There is a huge mess to clean up that the Rethugs have made.

He also had a mild stroke not too long ago. He’s not a young man. I’m not defending him, but there is just so much to do, its going to take time. I want him to get us the hell out of Iraq. If he doesn’t, then, something is really wrong with the Dems and its 3rd party time. I hope not. I give him a few more months to eek out a plan for Iraq.

Mostly wish Mitch McConnell gets shingles and stays home for a few years! :)

Hugh, please add convicted felon Kenny Boy “80 visits to the WH” Lay to the list.

…and the California energy “crisis”, aka the Texas hold-up

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Reid is part of ‘what’s wrong’ with the dems now in power. He allows Lieberman to threaten and flourish and I also believe he had something to do with the Nevada dems sponsoring a democratic debate on (ugh) Fox. What democrat watches Fox Noise? I think Harry Reid is in over his head as majority leader and is a major embarrassment to dems all over the country.

Hmmmm, in some ways I like how this is unfolding. John Edwards is really beginning to distinguish himself from the other candidates, in a good way, at least in my opinion.

Senator Feingold frightens most of his colleagues because he actually wants to govern like a real Democrat.

MODO interviews Denis Collins

“I asked him how he would feel if W. pardoned Scooter.

“I would really not care,” he replied. “I feel like the damage has been done in terms of his reputation and the administration’s reputation.”

And what about the calls for Dick Cheney to resign or get the boot?

“Here’s the thing: Libby followed Cheney’s instructions to go talk to reporters, but there’s no evidence at all that Cheney told him to lie about it. So the question is, was Libby just kind of inept at getting this story out?” “

This mirrors Chris Matthews with the lady juror last night. Nobody is asking the question- leaking classified info is a crime. Outing a covert agent is a crime- even though the slime balls were not charged with it. Collins should know better- seeing he wrote a book on the CIA.

RevDeb @ 77

Think Progress on pardon:

Newsweek reports that Scooter Libby “does not qualify to even be considered for a presidential pardon under Justice Department guidelines,” which in part “require a petitioner to wait a period of at least five years after conviction or release from confinement (whichever is later) before filing a pardon application.” President Bush can easily waive the rules, but up until now he “seems to have followed those guidelines religiously.”

emphasis mine.

my guess is that GW has a signing statement on this guideline.

reid’s voice-mail is full, and the option of “speaking to a member of his staff on an issue” leads directly to hang-up. i’ll call back in another half hour or so …

~itunkala

rwcole @ 34

Sounds like the debate is being done by the state democratic party in Nevada- and they are scrambling to save it by having it broadcast by Air America as well as Fox. I’m not sure what Reid has to do with it.

Sorry, if this has been posted before…(I didn’t read all 239 comments before mine.) The organization to complain to is the Nevada Democratic Party at 702 737-8683. I plan to call them in a couple of hours. Props to Edwards for just saying “no” to the debate.