
(Photo of Fred Hiatt via Washington Life.)
In the annals of the fact challenged, today's editorial in the Washington Post juxtaposed against an editorial done by the Guardian UK is a study in contrasts. It's enough to give a reader whiplash to go from "Lies About Crimes" to Fred Hiatt's factually inaccurate Cheney apologia on the ComPost editorial page.
Rather than pick my way through the deliberately obtuse obfuscations in Hiatt's spurious bilge, allow me to present the Guardian UK's take:
For two main reasons. The first concerns the ethics of the administration of which Mr Libby, as top aide to Dick Cheney, was such a senior member. George Bush came to the White House in January 2001 pledging to "change the atmosphere in Washington DC". By this he apparently meant two things: one, that he would govern in a dignified and rule-respecting way that supposedly contrasted with that of Bill Clinton; and, two, that he would try to end the intense partisan bitterness that had marked the Washington of the Clinton era. The Libby case is prosecution exhibit number one in support of the charge that Mr Bush never attempted to do any such thing. On the contrary. The Bush administration has been ruthlessly partisan, fuelled by enmities worthy of the Nixon era. The outing of Ms Plame was a criminal act against the wife of an administration critic. Mr Libby lied about it. He presumably did it to protect Mr Cheney, who wanted to punish the Wilsons. Mr Libby's conviction therefore raises very direct questions about Mr Cheney's own position.
The second reason is because, at bottom, Mr Libby's lies concerned Iraq. The administration wanted to invade Iraq. Mr Cheney, and through him Mr Libby, was not particular about how to do it. When Mr Wilson publicly questioned the weapons of mass destruction case for war he therefore made himself a Cheney enemy. As a consequence, the White House took its revenge on him through his wife. Mr Libby lied to protect not just his boss but his boss's unjust war. That's why yesterday's verdict matters. This affair is not over yet – not by a long chalk. (emphasis mine)
The fact that a British newspaper can see the broader political and ethical issues more clearly than their American counterparts is not surprising. Looking afar at the machinations of the Bush Administration and how it has clawed its way through the upper echelons of the Blair government has become something of a journalistic sport in the UK.
But the fact that an American newspaper, located in the nation's capitol, which made its journalistic bones twenty times over only a few short decades ago digging into the meat of a scandal that shook the very foundations of power — a newspaper which now has an editorial page that begs at the knees of Dick Cheney's sycophants like just another lap dog hoping for a few, paltry scraps?
Now THAT is appalling. And quite sad.
I may have to go back through the factual inaccuracies in the Hiatt mess at some point today, because they are so glaring, so easily fact-checked, and thus so deliberately plopped into the editorial like too many currents in a moldy, old scone, that someone tossed Fred Hiatt's way over the facsimile transom.
But it will have to wait for more coffee and a bit of rumination. For some reason, this morning, the privileged hand of Donald Graham on the editorial page seems to have left a very large thumbprint.
(H/T to DeWitt Grey for the link to the Guardian piece.)
Related posts:
- Torture is Counterproductive to Interrogation, Cognitive Study Says
- The Taxpayers Paid Dick Cheney’s Personal Defense Attorney to Obstruct Any Inquiries Into His Crimes
- Cheney’s Betrayal Made an IIPA Charge for Libby Possible
- SCOTUS Denies Valerie Plame Wilson Her Day in Court
- The Bush Fairy Tale on the Libby Pardon





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Peanut!
ultra fitz?
ooh so close.
Christy!
Plamehouse!
EPU’d from last thread:
Biodun @ 234
EPU’d ~ ThinkProgress on TWP editorial: http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..ial-libby/
congrats to all at firedoglake for theunsurpassed coverage of justice in action. you set a new standard. you is rockstars.
Yesterday’s editorial by Andrew Cohen in the WaPo was the only piece I’ve seen that acknowledges the role of newspaper reporting in covering up administration lies rather than exposing them. It was up for a few hours on the front page and then was relegated to who-knows-where. The WaPo can no longer be considered a fair and viable news source, in spite of the few good writers who remain on its staff, IMO.
epu from down one flight
Christy, we need a roots project and we need it fast
we need to get the members of congress to specifically request fitzgeral’s findings and for him to testify before their body
this MUST be done before his findings are declared “classified” by the criminals involved in the treason before this country
please have contact with jane to see orchestrate what needs to be done as soon as possible
WHAT FITZGERALD HAS DISCOVERED MUST NOT BE LOST FOREVER
we must hold to account the people that have done this to our country
he has already told us he is not going to indict anyone else, he is leaving further action to congress
we MUST get congress to perform that to which we elected them
Hiatt is an alumnus of the FAR Right Washington Star paper. He would be just at home as the editor of the Moonie times.
I would not take anything he says too seriously. Add to that the presence Of Bob “Junk Yard Dog” Woodward and there you have it. The blind leading the lame.
Ridicule is the best option for this mendacious piece. Why else did they give space for the lies of Toensing and York while the jury was deliberating.
The WaPo Editorial Board is as ossified as the rest of the Pundit Class inside the Belt Way. They are being dragged kicking and screaming to oppose the Iraq War (which they fully endorsed) by the far more intelligent general public. One more Friedman to go.
As usual, everything that ever happens is good for Republicans. The Libby conviction rendering a top level Bush official into an officially convicted felon is good for the Republicans.
The erectiley dysfunctional and self-avowed water-carrier for the Bush/Coulter Republican Party, Rush Limbaugh introduces us to a new and creepy term.
Poking the bear.
In light of Scooter Libby’s fictional fantasies this is quite the repulsive term of art.
-GSD
Hat tip to Digby for highlighting this.
EPUed:
As for the WaPo editorial, I’m not even remotely surprised. They’ve been carrying water for a while. Remember “A Good Leak”? What was surprising was that it just seemed to be a hodgepodge of old (and unedited) right-wing talking points.
1. “A bipartisan investigation by the Senate intelligence committee subsequently established that all of these claims [by Wilson] were false — and that Mr. Wilson was recommended for the Niger trip by Ms. Plame, his wife.” Really? Because when I looked at that report, that section was at the end, and it was only signed by some (not even all of them, for crying out loud) of the Republicans on the committee. That’s not a “bipartisan investigation”. That’s “a set of right-wing talking points that even some Republican Senators weren’t willing to sign off on.”
2. “When this fact, along with Ms. Plame’s name, was disclosed in a column by Robert D. Novak, Mr. Wilson advanced yet another sensational charge: that his wife was a covert CIA operative and that senior White House officials had orchestrated the leak of her name to destroy her career and thus punish Mr. Wilson.” I don’t know that Wilson has EVER claimed that his wife was covert, and if he has, I’d love to see the quote. Wilson has been VERY careful about his descriptions of his wife’s status. In any case, the leak clearly DID destroy Plame’s career. Is that even in question here?
3. “The partisan furor over this allegation led to the appointment of special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald.” Well, technically this is correct. The “partisan furor” arose when the FBI complained that they suspected that several Republicans were lying to them, and the Republican Attorney General recused himself from the case because of his connection to Republican Karl Rove, and the Republican Deputy Attorney General who took over felt that the case warranted the appointment of a special prosecutor. I suppose that this constitutes “partisan furor”.
4. “The trial has provided convincing evidence that there was no conspiracy to punish Mr. Wilson by leaking Ms. Plame’s identity — and no evidence that she was, in fact, covert.” It did? When did Richard Armitage, Karl Rove, and Dick Cheney take the stand to testify that there was no conspiracy to leak Plame’s identity? There is a world of difference between “no evidence that there was a conspiracy” and “convincing evidence that there was no conspiracy”. The former is true here; the latter is certainly false. As for the “no evidence that [Plame] was…covert”, this is also technically correct. (Assuming, of course, that you don’t consider the fact that Plame worked at CPD as evidence that she was covert.) There was also no evidence that she was NOT covert. This information was deliberately excluded from the trial.
5. “It would have been sensible for Mr. Fitzgerald to end his investigation after learning about Mr. Armitage.” The FBI knew about Armitage BEFORE it asked for a special prosecutor. They STILL felt that enough people were lying to them to complain to the Attorney General. It wasn’t Fitz who pushed this. It was the FBI.
Joe Wilson is a blowhard?
If only he would shut up and let us have our lies and incompetence.
Here’s to Peanut and her dino costume! I hope someday she will be able to recount to future generations the effect of this costume on the history of this Nation!
Hey, great job today on Sam’s show, Christy.
Hiatt’s bilge is nothing new and should be exposed. The Guardian makes a good argument that should be taken up by the few sane talking heads in the MSM.
I am continually amazed that the argument that Cheney went to these lengths to discredit Joe Wilson by outing Valerie Plame rarely explores the fact that the results of her work on Iran’s nuclear efforts ran counter to BushCo’s Iran position. Could that have been the real target of the smear tactics?
Jim
The most vile lie is the Toensing talking point that Valerie Wilson is not covert. EPU’d from the last thread:
Even The Economist has this take on Cheney and the Libby conviction:
Time to call for Bush to fire Rove. He knew from the get-go that Rove and Armitage leaked to Novak.
Does Armitage still work for the govt?
I really don’t get it. Bush’s numbers (and the GOP in general) are so far in the toilet that nothing short of Dubya walking on the Potomac will bring them back, yet the Post and others in the MSM have an almost Stalin-esque fear of upsetting the Chimperor.
GSD @ 12
Well, the Limbaugh Bear needs mucho vi*gra to function!
Let’s start sending out some memes:
Name one thing these clowns have done that hasn’t turned to shit.
Name one thing these clowns have not lied about.
Name one thing these clowns have done that has benefited you.
THE WORST OVAL OFFICE EVER (WOE)
Ol’ Freddy is getting eviscerated at the ComPost comments section. Unfortunately, there have been a few obscenity-laden comments towards him as well. I can’t help but wonder if these are being posted by either repukes or ComPost employees themselves, so that they can point and say, “Look! Rude bloggers!” At any rate Christy, we have to keep pounding at these self-important tools of the right. Truth has a way of making these under-rock dwellers scurry away.
Anyone catch Novak on Charlie Rose last PM? Rose just sitting there letting Novak trivialize the whole matter and his role in it. If your local PBS station carries Rose, it’s time to let them know, and what better time than the current begathon, that Rose is way past his prime. In fact, he has become a destructive force. No preparation, no follow-up–just another propaganda platform.
rizbiz @ 22
I’m still pretty happy about the Federal “Do Not Call” List. So that’s one thing, anyway. Beyond that, I can’t come up with anything.
Dana Milbank in his WaPo column had a different take on Libby’s wife’s reaction to the verdict than elsewhere:
“Libby’s wife, Harriet Grant, was not as composed. In the first row of spectators, she hunched over and shook. A young member of Libby’s defense team put his arm around her shoulders. After judge and jury left, Grant went over to hug her husband with a furious look on her face. Three reporters heard her say what sounded like, “We’re gonna [expletive] ‘em.”"
Who’s she gonna get?
great post Christy
Excellent post, Christy. Again, many thanks to you and all the FDL Team.
However, I am gonna make another pitch for not giving compost a bad name. After all, it has turned steaming piles of horseshit and spewed garbage, not to mention newspaper, into great garden material.
Perhaps ConPost? or NeoConPost?
I think what you are doing with WaPoo is making some great compost. . .for growing the truth.
Anyway, FDL is the BEST EVER. Thanks to all.
Oh. My. God.
Take my advice and go easy on the Fitzgeralds Hammer Of Justice(s).
Man, are they powerful.
Everyone with a hangover, raise your hand so I can pass out the aspirin.
Christy, you guys are on a roll with trex on npr and you on the post in the wake of FDL’s brilliant, best supporting actor role in the trial. Keep up the pressure, the tipping point will come through work and networks like this.
8.2ontherichter @ 24
Charlie Rose is a pathetic excuse for an interviewer. Novak was slobbering in pleasure–look at me, I outed her, good for me! Cooper looked shell-shocked–in the end, he seemed to care more about saving himself than really speaking the truth.
But I thought Jeffrey Toobin did a good job.
Tom @ 20
nothing short of Dubya walking on the Potomac will bring them back
In front of live Faux news cameras, of course.
And in other news, there was a local election in LA yesterday (school boards, mostly). The LA Daily News has a front-page headline:
Voters In A Fever of Apathy
which pretty much sums up both the turnout and the pre-election news coverage. (I voted.)
Libby Trial parallels with Military Tribunals
Joe Wilson made the point repeatedly that Libby was not tried under IIPA either because the law was poorly written as to make it nearly impossible to convict, or more likely that prosecuting would reveal classified information. This is the same argument used by wingers in support of Military Tribunals. This is an irony which needs to be exploited against arguments trying to discredit of the verdict.
countryhousewife @ 26
Donna Comstock and Mary Matalin?
Deacon Blues @
24
I noticed one crudely anti-semetic reference to Libby that I requested to have removed.
I think there is now a cottage industry in wingerville to post vile things and attribute them to the left.
-GSD
fyi– cspan1 has the King of Jordan addressing Congress and speaking of the grotesque injustice done to the Palestianian people.
good news
according to, (my), congressman maurice hinchey, (D-NY22), this morning on sam sedar’s show – he “and others” will be pursuing getting a congressional committee to pick up where fitzgerald left off. he explained it would require the house “leadership” pulling it together & that there were several committee’s already in existence that would be appropriate. watch committee chairpeople closely these next few weeks.
also a shout out to christy – nice job explaining the facts of plame’s outing/libby’s trial in a mini version for consumption by sedar’s listeners.
angie @ 37
thanks angie!
Bill Kristol on Fox News Sunday, in early September 2006, on pardoning Libby:
Busted at 30 — I guess I can be ever-so-slightly grateful that The Peanut is not feeling well, because I didn’t even get a glass of wine last night. (Although to be honest, I’ve also never had a hangover…so, there you go.) Sorry you aren’t feeling well — may I suggest a couple of ibuprofins and a LOT of water?
Y’know, the mainstream media reaction to this brings me to mind of Jose Cerrano’s great tagline from “Major League:”
It’s a good thing we have the likes of Marcy, Christy, and Jane to stand up for the truth so we can say “Fuck you, Jobu” to the mainstream media’s errand boys.
GSD @ 35
I made the same request because it was racist hate-speech and also noted that I had no sympathy for Libby.
I stand in awe of FDL. The coverage of Scooter’s trial & everything else for that matter is so exceptional that there aren’t words to adequately commend all of you. I’m also very impressed with those who can keep up with all the threads! Miss one day & it feels like I missed out on the class trip. But then every day is class trip on FDL.
Especially great lines from The Guardian article: “Mr Libby lied to protect not just his boss but his boss’s unjust war. That’s why yesterday’s verdict matters.”
They were all lying to protect themselves from fallout from the unjust war they started (and can’t finish).
Biodun @ 40
is he stuck in the third grade or what?
puerile
I saw the Wapo editorial (through Atrios’s Wanker of the Day) and dropped my jaw at the succession of falsehoods that made their way through Fred Hiatt’s word processor. It seems there is a coordinated wingnut attack on facts (which have, as we know, a pronounced liberal bias), with Hiatt just one of the flag-bearers. The Journal and NY Post call for pardons, and, as per TRex, NPR has on a befuddled ex-employee of good ol’ Scooter who was brilliant, mind like a steel trap, a “shark” – and yet can’t figure out that Scooter was revelling in his role as shark when he led the charge against the impudent Wilsons.
Maybe someone like Marcy or Jane or you, Christy – people (strong women, God bless you!) who not only have strong opinions about Libby & the verdicts, but whose opinions are informed by facts, not by the GOP talking points faerie.
Historically, the press is more likely to grow balls and challenge the president in a difficult economy. So the markets may be the penultimate chicken coming home to roost. With growth curtailed to pay for our debt, elevated long-term interest rates, and a tanking dollar threatening inflation, Bush might get some worthwhile scrutiny from his servile media ass-kissers. It’s clearly becoming a pressure point. There’s been significant online harassment of some pessimistic economic commentators.
Wow.
Didn’t see this article, or the one before it, earlier this morning.
I’m still looking for the words “pointless Washington scandal” (as printed by the Washington Post editors this morning)in the Post’s editorial archives relating to the Clinton impeachment for PERJURY.
When the realization of all the lies was first coming to light 2 to 3 years ago, I was hopeful that the media was going to go back to the old ways of being accountable and reliable. That they were going to start cleaning up their messes and get back on track. Here we are now with 3 additional years of even more knowledge of all the lies and coverups and it’s still going on. And ditto for the congress.
That tells me one big thing. Nothing is changing and nothing will change for the better any time soon because they don’t want it to be better. Only the american public wants it to be better and we need to have an entirely new method to make things better.
The old methods; writing to congress, writing to the editors, marching on Washington, will not work. We have to come up with new ways to get the action we want.
It is absolutely pouring the snow down outside here. So glad I made that quick run to the store last night.
Thanks to everyone for the kind comments on the Air America appearance this morning. Sam Seder is always such a great host — love doing his show.
peanutgallery @
31
TRex was on NPR?!?! And I missed it?! Which program? Must look it up immediately.
GSD @ 36
GSD, you’re absolutely on to something. Anonymously contaminating a powerful comment thread with vile antisemitic slurs looks like the only weapon left. Everyone should make trex’s rules of the dignified, understated expression of outrage the hallmark of the community.
Even David Schuster this a.m. on Imus dismissed the Post’s editorial board as fact free.
portia at 52 — I think that is referring to TRex’s late night about a need for response to someone who was on NPR yesterday.
Christy Hardin Smith:
I hate to be importunate, but it’s relevant on this thread.
I’m a D.C. area resident and I, along with a couple of million other like-minded people, am held hostage to the Post. For several years now I have conscientiously written letters to the editor and ombudsman. It is futile; they have only tacked further to the right, and when they deign a response it is in bad faith.
I want to organize some kind of boycott of the Post. I retracted heated and unserious suggestions of other actions made on the last thread. In any case, I had a long justification for boycott vs. argument/persuasion on Scarecrow’s last thread at #179. I don’t post here often and it was, frankly, emotional.
I don’t know how to do this kind of thing but other people here do.
Three major respectable institutions undergird the edifice of warmongering and lawlessness. I think the Post needs to be attacked in its wallet for this reason.
sorry Christy Hardin Smith @ 55
sorry to get your hopes up! maybe soon, though at the rate things are going….
Everyone reading this blog (and any other progressive blog) who has a subscription to the Washington Post should cancel it – post haste. And let them know why it is being cancelled (who wants to pay for a daily dose of wingnut/neocon propaganda).
We can write all the letters we want – Little Debbie, Graham and Hiatt most likely sit around and laugh at them. However low subscription numbers impact the Post where it hurts – their advertisers.
In addition to cancelling subscriptions – perhaps we should also contact those companies that advertise in the paper. It would probably be a hard sell to local merchants to withdraw advertising from the Post (Hechts comes to mind). However perhaps companies like Toyota and others might be open to not doing business with a publication that advocates and supports illegal and unconstitution behavior on the part of public officials.
portia.vz– TRex was not on the air with NPR, but he was chewing on NPR’s butt like only a carnivore can with his late night post. It was a rational rant of beauty.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 51
hope you fed your birdies!
Do you get the Cedar Waxwings down there, they’re funny when they tie one on eating fermented berries.
…didn’t finish last thought: those “respectable institutions” of journalism are the Washington Post, the NYT and the LA Times. Maybe throw in the Wall Street Journal. In any case, the printed press drives the televised interpretation of the news and issues.
lina @ 54
Hey, guys, have we thanked David Shuster for doing a great job for covering this trial for the MSM? His brand of journalism was very well done. He was well informed, detailed and drew some conclusions.
Thanks David. Keep up the good work!
From the BBC on Libby the novelist’s take on lying:
Hilarious.
peanutgallery @ 57
Oh Gawd, I hope so. The attention that FDL is getting over this is making me delirious.
I can’t bring myself to read Hiatt’s bit; it would be like fishing through excrement and I draw the line there.
But the LATimes op-ed linked in last thread is rather interesting:
Oddly correct, and yet downright weird, when you consider who’s on CFR’s current council. WTF?
Hi CHS, remember A Good Leak?
With all we’ve learned, thanks to Patrick Fitzgerald (and Marcy Wheeler and FDL), Fred hasn’t changed a thing. And he really deserves to be called out for it…let’s send Debbie Howell a deluge of complaints.
Frank Probst @13: Excellent smackdown. I go nuts whenever an apologist for all things administration refers to that Senate Intelligence report. Always too lazy to double check, but I’m always certain they’re referring to the parts that the Dem committee members wouldn’t endorse. And the talking heads never ask or make the point.
OT, but thanks to Woodhall Hollow for mentioning Denis Collins’ (the Libby juror) piece on Huffington Post in the last thread. Was too busy reading it to get back to the old thread in time. He’s a good writer and storyteller…the two don’t always come in hand-in-hand. Think those folks yammering on about a “confused jury” should clear their own heads by reading Mr. Collins’ account.
brendan @ 56
Agreed–but I can’t help much, since I don’t buy the PostIt anyway; not much there to boycott. And my congratulations on the maturity required to reverse course on your earlier hotheadedness and come to a more reasoned way to address the problem.
(breathes long sigh) I’ve just gotta say that it would not surprise me if Bush/Cheney&Company really did expect to “find” WMDs in Iraq, even if they had to plant the evidence themselves.
Maybe the Wilson’s knew about this effort and that made them even more dangerous.
Maybe someday we will get to the bottom of this.
Maybe.
Gromit @ 59
Alas, I fell asleep last night with my Treo in my hand as I was reading it. Must catch up.
Frum, Frum, Frum.
“The Daily Show and now Steven Colbert have taught a generation of college students that Republicans are ridiculous, absurd, hopelessly past it. And their work has had an effect: today’s 20-somethings are more Democratic than any equivalent cohort since World War II.”
The all encompassing power of a small cable comedy channel that airs at 11:00 at night.
It has nothing to do with Bush, Cheney, Delay, Gingrich, Limbaugh, Fox Noise, Duke Cunningham, Jean Schmidt, Mark Foley, Coulter or any of the other human parodies on the right. Nope it is all Comedy Central’s fault.
The Republican right has become so pathetic as to almost evoke sympathy.
Did The Daily Show ruin a generation back in the 90’s when it was lampooning Bill Clinton and his runaway penis?
-GSD
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 66
Oh it’s been so long since I’ve written to my friend Debbie.
Busted @ 30
You forgot the pillows??
I celebrated with Irish Breakfast tea, spiked with a small amount of Jameson’s (there’s just enough left for St Pat’s). No hangover. Well, only a very small one.
brendan @ 56
Brendan,
A boycott is a temporary thing, designed to get them to do or stop doing something. I think these guys are past the boycott stage and that assumptions about the clout that readers or even advertisers have are based on how a real Fifth Estate behaves. The MSM doesn’t work that way anymore.
Write your letters and cancel your subscriptions, of course, and tell your friends and anyone who will listen why they shoould do the same. As to organizing a concerted action — we are Democrats, we don’t march to anyone’s tune. But we will one by one stop buying the WaPo. And we will, one by one, start finding the truth whereever it is.
Now, if you can show that you have been harmed by the deliberate falsehoods of a person (corporate or otherwise), isn’t that grounds for a civil suit? Lied into an expensive war, trillions in debt, hundreds of thousands dead — sounds like harm to me.
Tim Russert told Meredith Vieira on the Today Show this morning that he’s glad the trial is over. As if anyone cares what he thinks or how he feels. His every appearance on air since the trial is tainted and strained.
Something else: As a convicted felon, Libby is forever ejected from the US electorate, unless he wins on appeal, an unlikely proposition, IMHO.
gaspard @ 69
I’m going to go out on a limb here. I think that Bush/Cheney cynically believed that there were ’some’ WMDs in Iraq that the inspectors wouldn’t have found. They probably thought that they would stumble on them eventually after they invaded. And for a while, it looked like every little thing they found was held up as an example of WMDs only to be nothing upon further investigation.
Still, it was not a good reason to invade. There was no way Iraq could deliver the WMDs to the US to make use of them. Anyone who believed in missiles and unmanned arial device systems was smokin’ too much dope. It was not a credible scenario.
And they turned out to be totally wrong in the end about their existence anyway.
EvilDrPuma:
Thanks for the response. It is, indeed a local issue. I think a boycott would be perceived as a sharp and unusual rebuke by the paper, though, and any rebuke to the Post has national consequences.
Another thing I’d like to propose as food for thought: breaking the Post into its component parts, propagandists/ideologists versus journalists. I get much of my hard news these days from places like talkingpointsmemo and firedoglake. What would it take to cleave off some of the better reporters from the Post? After all, “pool boy” left the Post for that unread rag “Politico”; why not a campaign to entice someone like Dana Priest away?
brendan @ 56
I think it would be possible. Boycott every Monday (or whatever day of the week) for a month. It would get their attention.
I am waiting for members of the staff to rebel and protest the editorial. Pincus spoke up when his coverage was relegated to page 17 a few years ago. He has the guts.
Hope the peanut is better. You are a super mom, christy
portia.vz @ 62
Portia – I agree. Per my comments on scarecrow’s thread – although it is frustrating to see the wingnut/neocons come out of the woodwork throughout this trial (and at its conclusion) to condone BushCo’s illegal and unconstitutional behavior – there was some push back – particularly last night – even from some unexpected quarters like Bob Schiefer and Howard Fineman.
Bob Schuster has been one of the few rays of hope the past few years – as has Olbermann and some others. He deserves all the praise we can give him.
rizbiz @ 23
You mean Oafal Office…
I just wrote to the WP ombudsman and asked what the point of the job of ombudsman is, if glaring, bald-faced lies aren’t corrected. In other words, to remain silent about so heinously lying to readers, you and your job as ombudsman are a sad joke, by definition.
By the way, just sent this to the NPR Ombudsman about last night’s NPR fiasco:
Mind you, the last NPR ombudman column was last November, so I’m not holding my breath…
GSD @ 71
It is well known that reality has a liberal bias.
Even crusty old Pat Lang, nobody’s lilting liberal, wrote off the WaPo a while ago after reading an opinion piece about Lebanon:
“. . .Based on this editorial as ‘capstone’ for many other recent pronouncements, I judge the editorial page of the Washington Post to be a neocon rag.”
Pat Lang
http://turcopolier.typepad.com…..at_wa.html
Biodun 2 75
As a convicted felon, Libby is forever ejected from the US electorate
I understand this depends on the state. Some allow voting after completion of the sentence. Permanent disbarment sounds good, though.
Damn Baby! You are firin’ on all cylinders this morning. It’s music to my ears! I love your prose when you get rockin’ like this, but even more, I love the very idea that you’re going to be focusing your energy and considerable talent on debunking the spurious bilge. The world is a better place for having folks like you in it. Suddenly, I smell CHS ripping Fred Hiatt a new one…smells like…VICTORY!
HotFlash:
Points taken, but I’m writing at this site to get ideas on how the logistics of such a boycott would work. They don’t get a hundred readers cancelling their subscriptions en mass that often; I think they would notice.
Right On! Christy. Right On!
The Washington Post is WASHED-UP. The WASHED-UP POST. It has been for a while. Thanks for putting FDL’s stature behind efforts to set the record straight.
And, thanks for doing Good ‘Ole Fashioned compare-and-contrast analysis on the bogus, sophist, writing which gets done these days.
The CRIMES… and they ARE CRIMES.. of The Washed-Up Post … The New York Times..and CNN… FOX etc. MUST be addressed from EVERY ANGLE, by everyone.
These “Media News Enterprises”… are mammoth, institutional propaganda & insurrection organs. Propaganda against the Public is illegal, in and of itself. Insurrection, is a Constitutionally Cited Phenomena– An Act of Aggression.
MEDIA OP’s, are also a WEAPON of WAR! And in these times when “Everything is Different Now,” and a time when “The Homeland is a Battlefield…. ” well…
…. well THESE ARE THE TIMES… That Try Men’s Souls.. and require that we OUT these Editors and Writers, and Investors and Advertisers… who are USING MILITARY GRADE OPS– MEDIA WEAPONS and PROPAGANDA AGAINST THE US PUBLIC. Thanks again Christy!
And we MUST, as a matter of course, do the Point-by-Point rebut of ALL arguments presented in the Public Debate.
And we MUST continue to MAKE forums like FDL and other Blogs– THE PLACE where THINKING, CARING Citizens and Readers go to get TRUE EDITORIALS and ANALYTIC SCRUTINY.
BRAVO! FDL. Restore The Bill of Rights. Now!
mustang:
I’m a subscriber too, and a frequent correspondent with dear Deborah. Please see my previous posts, such as at #56, and, particularly, the one at #179 on Scarecrow’s last thread.
My NPR letter re the Goure commentary on ATC:
Driving between locations on my job this afternoon, I caught Dan Goure’s commentary regarding the Libby verdict on ATC. I had to hear it again tonight when I got home, on my laptop, to make sure what I thought I heard earlier was correct. It was.
When friends get in trouble, we tend to reach out, sometimes irrationally. That is what Mr. Goure did on your dime. Maybe the next time somebody from the Lexington Foundation has a friend get a DWI, you can get another one of their “fellows” to help us see the injustice in that too. If nobody in your editors’ room realizes how important the Libby trial and verdict are, I feel your show has lost any sense of perspective.
I can tune over to my AM dial to hear such uninformed people being passed off as authoritative all day long. More and more, I hear shoddy commentaries like Mr. Goure’s on ATC. Is this the new direction of journalism at NPR, or did somebody just mess up?
Mutant Poodle @ 82
I heard Jane on Rachel Maddow last night. Fine as she is to look at, she does give excellent radio, too. More of Jane and Marcy in the media is a good thing for America. Tell everybody!
Libby Schmibby!
Fox News is reporting that OJ may be the father of Anna Nicole’s baby.
Why does Firedoglake hate America?
-GSD
portia.vz @ 76
Live and learn…there will be a test.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B…..Associates
http://www.rense.com/general68/plamene.htm
From the BBC’s At a Glance, on Libby’s mix of novels and politics:
i dont usually watch imus – but i was curious to hear as much media coverage of the verdict as possible. (he also had russert on). during the show he mentioned mike lupica had a good column about the veep today. (a sports writer!) here are snips & the link
Vice’s squad takes the hit
Mike Lupica – New York Daily News
The government got Scooter Libby yesterday, got an underboss to the vice president of the United States, Richard Cheney. They got Libby on four of five counts against him in the end, got him for lying about how the name of a CIA agent was leaked to the media. These were small lies folded into the much bigger ones that got us into the war in Iraq in the first place, a war Cheney wanted more than anybody and became obsessed with justifying.
(snip)
Libby is convicted and Cheney should have the grace to resign. Except that this vice president has no grace, or sense of honor, just contempt for all those who disagree with him, about weapons of mass destruction or anything else.
(snip)
And now something that began with a busy week of gossip and leaks and whispers in the summer of 2002 ended yesterday with the conviction of Scooter Libby for lying to the FBI and perjuring himself and obstruction of justice.
Libby is not the first underboss to take a fall like this, just the one who took a fall yesterday for the sitting vice president of the United States, one who was the chief architect of a war built on lie after lie after lie, all the way to Building 18 of the Walter Reed Army Medical Center, and the shabby way the military heroes of this country and war have been treated there.
Cheney should go the way Kevin Kiley, the former commander of Walter Reed, now the surgeon general of the Army, should go. Libby’s crimes deal with the runup to the war. Kiley is about the true cost of the war. Now everything runs together, the new lies and the old ones. As you watched Kiley trying to talk his way around the conditions of Building 18 in front of Congress, what you really saw was all of this President’s men. You saw Cheney and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, saw Michael Brown of FEMA and Michael Chertoff of Homeland Security.
(snip)
Finally, Collins said, “[Libby] was tasked by the vice president to go out and talk to reporters.” About a war built on lies.
It all started with the ones about weapons of mass destruction and when Joe Wilson wouldn’t play along, Cheney and his people went after him and it made about as much sense as Richard Nixon’s men going after Lawrence O’Brien, the head of the Democratic National Committee, trying to get something on O’Brien or the Democrats by bugging their offices at a place called the Watergate.
O’Brien shouldn’t have mattered to Nixon. Wilson should never have mattered this much to Cheney. Clearly Fitzgerald didn’t have enough to go after Cheney, or Rove. So Libby is the one who got fingerprinted as a felon yesterday. They got an awful lot of underbosses in the Nixon administration before he finally realized he was through and resigned in the summer of 1974.
(snip)
Maybe he starts moving for the door right now. Cheney was treated this week for a blood clot in his left leg, called a deep venous thrombosis. The outgoing vice president was not treated at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center, where he really belonged, where the verdict on the lies of Iraq is handed down every single day.
http://www.nydailynews.com
Editorial note: it’s “currants.” I don’t know why I remember that; there seems to be no good raisin.
The closer you get to the truth, the louder they are going to scream.
Then there’s this tidbit, also from the BBC:
EvilDrPuma @ 96
Filling in for punaise today? ;-)
From the CBC
and this:
Christy, thank you for everything you and Jane have done here to cover this moment in history. Without your personal sacrifices and dedicated work this great example of Justice would likely not have happened. You guys and Marcy Wheeler were all we had for a time to ensure the work Fitz was doing received attention. Again, thank you so very much on behalf of me and for my fellow readers and friends of FDL.
Educated Plaintiff @ 94
Isn’t it interesting that Cheney wouldn’t be at Walter Reed? I wonder why that would be.
Oh…and thanks for the clarification. I thought I heard “deep venal thrombosis,” which sounded like a synonym for Cheney himself.
brendan @
56
i used to read the wapo online – but wrote to the editor to tell them i stooped after victoria’s op-ed. i wont even click on a link to stories on their site that ppl post here.
If anyone’s wondering why Fred Hiatt is allergic to facts in context, in the way that only a true full-blown right-wing cognitive-dissonance victim can be, just remember that he (and Howie Kurtz, and Fred Barnes, and Michael Isikoff, and Maureen Dowd) all came from the old (and very conservative) Washington Star.
Rayne @ 98
The pun was there. I grabbed it and ran. Just like I always do with raisins.
A Hermit @ 100
He calls them “the political-journalistic class”. I call them “the GOP/Media Complex”.
Anyone who makes the statement “This affair is not over yet” is naive to the ways of the 21st century United Corporate States of America propaganda machine.
Of course it is over. It is over when the corporate supplicants who pretend to be news outlets along with their reporters say it is over. The machine will have this dead and buried within 10 days. It has already started.
Blogs are a breath of fresh air. But, when the TV spin machine sees something as a threat to the bottom line, the drip, drip, drip of brainwash starts to flow to the masses and we are sunk. A victim of our own avaricious based timocracy.
Phoenix Woman @ 104
At least when DC had 2 newspapers (even though the Star wasn’t high quality), the city wasn’t the Post’s captive.
Lou Costello @93,
thanks for sharing; (pulling out hair)
Maybe the story would have more resonance if we simplified:
Once upon a time, there was an election for president of the United States. It was very close, and the people who were the most willing to cheat and bully convinced the Supreme Court to declare them the winners.
The new president and vice president thought that the United States needed to overthrow the government of Iraq.
On September 11, 2001, terrorists hijacked four jetliners and flew three of them into the Twin Towers in New York City and the Pentagon outside of Washington, D.C. The fourth plane crashed into the ground in Pennsylvania.
The United States invaded Afghanistan to punish the terrorists and, with the help of Afghan warlords, drove the government out.
The United States then turned its attention to Iraq. The president and vice president still thought it would be a good idea to overthrow the government, even though it had not attacked the United States. Scooter Libby worked for the vice president, and he thought it was a good idea, too.
People working for the president and vice president made up stories about how Iraq was threatening the United States. They even made up evidence to support the stories. Joseph Wilson found out that some of the evidence was false, and he said so. This made the president and the vice president and Scooter very angry.
Scooter found out that Mister Wilson’s wife was working in secret for the U.S. government to fight terrorists and weapons of mass destruction. He thought it would be a good idea to tell the newspapers what Mrs. Wilson was doing so that Mr. Wilson would be sorry about what he did.
When the newspapers reported that Mrs. Wilson was working for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), it made a lot of people in the CIA very angry. It also made Mr. Wilson angry. The government was forced to try to find out who had told Mrs. Wilson’s secret.
The president promised to help, but he didn’t. The vice president and the rest of the administration, including Scooter, pretended to know nothing about it. So did people from the news media. Investigators and prosecutors continued to ask questions, and eventually some of the people who knew about the crime started to tell on others.
Scooter told on some people, but it looked like he was lying about others and about himself. He got charged with lying to investigators and the grand jury and with obstructing justice. Yesterday a jury agreed that he was guilty.
Scooter was a powerful, energetic henchman who wanted to start a war in Iraq, even if he had to spread lies to do it. Not content with ruining the lives of countless Iraqis and Americans over there, he also tried to ruin the lives of the Wilsons. When he got caught, he lied about it.
He appears to be a very bad man. What do you think he deserves?
Educated Plaintiff:
That’s my point. Fat lot of good it would do. Two things I propose, neither of which I currently know anyting about doing:
1. immediate collective boycott action
2. long term petitioning of specific reporters away from the Post. This is just an idea. I’m in no position to be their employer.
BBC’s Matt Frei’s own musings for casting the upcoming movie of the PlameAffair:
My bold. My favorite part. And we could have used Frei’s musings on the casting thread last Friday.
It drives me nuts when I hear & hear anchors & read journalists “puzzling” over american’s obsession & fascination with Anna/Brittney/Paris/astronauts in diapers tabloid stories. Just who are these americans? I live in small town america & the people I know from all walks of life are fed up with it. I don’t hear anyone talking about this garbage from the coffee klatch retirees at the local cafe to working folk having a beer after work at the bars.
Are there any legitimate polls taking the pulse of what we really want to see & hear from our media? I very much doubt that hours of trash is “what the viewers want”. If it was irrefutably shown to media owners that the majority of viewers wanted real news, I don’t think it would make a difference. Media owners have other priorities & imo, ratings aren’t in the top tier.
Phoenix Woman:
I’m one of the Post’s “captives”. Please see my earlier comments, #56 and responses.
brendan @ 56:
The WaPo is actually one chunk of a large corporate empire that embraces TV stations and the Kaplan educational business. And the one part of their business that’s doing well right now is their online sector.
I think that if FDL and HuffPost and other online entities could unite in a coalition, they could generate enough profit to do national stories of interest better than the WaPo.
Mary4’s extended comment in the last thread:
genius. Frontpageworthy?
To the description of Congress as craven and clueless, perhaps we need to add cowardly.
CNN Intl reporting Cuba may hold substantial reserves of crude and natural gas. Can the invasion be far away. Even now, Chee-knee’s probably drawing up the plans…. Hmmmm, let’s see….nukular weapon, 90 miles away… yeah, works for BushCo. Business as usual.
Puesto @ 106
Oh, please. The MSM has been minimizing this whole case for years. Yesterday, the Veep’s former chief-of-staff was convicted by a jury of his peers on four felony counts. If they couldn’t bury it in 3 1/2 years, they’re sure as hell not going to be able to do it in ten days with four felony convictions on the table.
Jane S. @ 108
What? You mean the Washington Times isn’t a real newspaper? I mean, just because Sun Myung Moon’s lost over $2 billion propping up that turkey over the past quarter-century. ;-)
But yeah — the Star, as bad as it was, died before it could imbibe the new scorched-earth conservatism preached by William Simon; it was known to employ actual reporters like Mary McGrory and Jules Witcover, neither of whom would be hired at the Moonie Times or even the Post nowadays.
reba at #78:
You say, “I am waiting for staff at the paper to rebel and protest the editorial.” You will be waiting a long time.
Prairie Sunshine @ 113
I like pusillanimous!
The boycott that would hurt WaPo (or any other daily) the most is Sunday. Ads. Ads. Ads.
“spurious bilge”
A disorder of the brain and mouth wherein the individual afflicted exhibits frequent episodes of projectile puke spewing, calling it truth.
First thing that comes to mind? Republicans. Followed quickly by Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, Michelle Malkin, FAUX News.
I wonder of the CDC is working on a cure for spurious bilge . . . .
While were bashing the WaPo, didn’t Juror #9 work there in the past? Doesn’t it speak volumes about the Post when one of their former employees has the scoop on the jury deliberations, and he decides to publish it in “The Huffington Post”?
Prairie Sunshine @ 116
Betcha it’s an extension of the Venezuelan reserves, both the extra-heavy (which China and India are helping build special refineries to handle) and the regular crude. Ah, the irony!
BBC’s Frei on casting Darth Cheney:
Just spent time reading through Denis Collins’ notes at HuffPo. Fascinating if you haven’t read them yet. This is the last part:
We’ve also heard testimony that Libby approached David Addington and asked if a CIA employee sent a spouse on a mission would there be a paper trail. A logical inference is that Libby was talking about Mrs. Wilson.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..libby/?p=1
Vote now – Should Scooter Libby be pardoned? (1 and 3 are currently winning big):
1. Absolutely not. Libby was convicted of felony crimes. He should serve time.
2. President Bush should definitely pardon Libby. He’s been a loyal member of his administration.
3. Forget Libby. This investigation should start looking harder at other members of the administration.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17499561/
Joe Wilson just gave a shout-out to FDL on the Ed Schulz show!
Fame!
Is Imus in the Spotlight feature? Either
imus@msnbc.com
or imusmail@wfan.com
Since he was citing the WaPoo editorial in his discussions with Schuster [props to Schuster for the smackdown!] and Russert this morning, this is an education opportunity.
I just got back from reading comments posted in response to Hiatt’s editorial, you guys are Absolutely Fabulous.
Frank Probst @ 123
1) “Former” is the operative word in that sentence, methinks.
2) It’s an even bigger indictment of Hiatt that — once again — he makes bogus statements that past and current WP reporters (like Pincus and Froomkin) have shown to be bogus. He either doesn’t read the news section of his own paper, or just doesn’t care.
Joe Wilson just gave a shout-out to the lake — carefully ennunciating the URL — on The Ed Schulz show! Said he followed the trial here daily.
Woo Hoo!
Hey, Christy, I heard the tale end of your interview with Sam Seder. I had a problem getting the channel in fast enough to listen. Sounds like you’re getting more comfortable with these interviews all the time. What I heard, you sounded relaxed and like you’re on the radio every day. It was good.
I still don’t understand why Fitz or someone cannot enforce SF-312. It was obvious to me that the jurors would have been glad to enforce it, since they were asking why only Libby was there. I agree that several people violated SF-312 most conspicuously, like Rove and Armitage and Ari Fleischer, and they are obviously getting away with it. There should be some penalty for divulging the identity of a person whose “relationship with the CIA is classified” even if the IIPA is simply too hard to prove and too easily dismissed as “no underlying crime was broken.” Just because the prosecutor doesn’t think he can prove intentional wrongdoing, some people jump to the conclusion that the law was not broken rather than someone got away with breaking the law. Of course, that would be only if you’re a Republiscum. Rove should be gone, and so should the VP, for that matter. These people played fast and loose with classified information that put others in danger. If the prosecutor can’t or won’t prosecute conspiracy or find a way to punish those who had such loose lips, the Congress should be tasked to do the job. No excuses. Accountability NOW!
Frank Probst @ 121
Arianna asked him, but did the WaPo?
I think the key word in the previous thread “The Coverup Continues and Only We Can Stop It ” is WE. The Fire Dogs have knocked themselves out for us – now it’s our turn to keep their work from going to waste.
Call your representatives to demand further investigations. Find your reps’ contact info here.
The work has just begun for the Wilsons. You can offer your support over at The Joseph and Valerie Wilson Legal Support Trust
Remember the Downing Street Memo Awaken the Media campaign? And how it worked? Here’s the info from Media Matters to do it all over again:
Phoenix Woman 118–No I don’t count the Moonie Times. I grew up in Alexandria, Va and my Mom and sister are still there. I remember my Dad bringing home the Star because they had an evening edition which the Post didn’t. Two newspaper towns serve their citizens better. I actually worked at a DC ad agency and the advertising community certainly lamented the lack of competition.
All this being said, I still read the Post and now I live in Richmond. It is a habit I can’t seem to break but I get balancing viewpoints from many corners of the internet, FDL being one of the best.
Joe Wilson just talked up FDL on the Ed Schulze show.
As Wonkette and the Washington Post detail, the conviction of Scooter Libby is providing many opportunities for fun and profit:
- “The Sentence Scooter Contest.”
- “Guess Libby’s Pardon Date, Win a T-Shirt.”
Prairie Sunshine @ 114
gross negligence or dereliction of duty or simply failure to uphold their oath to protect and defend the constitution?
Nola Sue @ 133
It would be great if Joe talked about FDL on the national news shows as well – like Anderson Cooper 360, Countdown, etc.
If Joe is reading today, I would encourage him to give FDL a shout out in every televised forum available!
Thanks.
And this from the NYTimes, a surprise from even Sheryl Gay Stolberg:
My bold.
brendan @ 119
yeah, I know. But wouldn’t it be great?
Actually, this notion goes back to the day when I was on staff at the NYT and we did rebel. The story was the rape allegation against the Kennedy kid. The initial Times coverage pilloried the victim. I and others at the Times were appalled. We protested and after a long time, I think we actually got through to the men in suits. Long story, long time past.
But I know the newsroom at the Post is teeming with outrage as I write this
Hey Christy- hope I’m not too late to save you some trouble. Watertiger already did a sentence-by-sentance deconstruct of the Hiatt piece (of sh*t). I know you guys are buddies- perhaps you should ask her if she’ll share it with FDL?
http://www.dependablerenegade……_hate.html
Do not organize a boycott of the post, make it a total subscription cancellation with notes to the Post as to why.
Make it a patriotic duty of all Dems to cancel and tell the Post Exactly why.
If they get a few hundred of these, shit even a couple dozen would send a helluva message.
Can you imagine the scene yesterday in the WaPo’s editorial offices, Broder & Deborah Howell into their second bottle and slobbering on the table, little Howie in the corner with his box of kleenex and Hiatt swearing and slamming his desk. It must have been sight.
What, do you suppose, has caused reasonably intelligent, formerly at least a little objective, previously thought competent enough, previously thought more or less reliable, proprietors of the various media to be so vociferously blind to the facts concerning the invasion of Iraq? You will all understand I do not include The Dirty Digger in this list of proprietors and journalists: at least Murdoch is clear about his grubby agenda, all of them.
I am a ‘broken record’, I know, stuck in its one groove, but why else, reflecting on just who does own and/or control the media, but one-eyed support for The Lobby’s single focus?
I don’t believe Libby will be pardoned, because that would leave Bush and the Bush family legacy further defiled thereby making it difficult for the dynasty to attempt to continue their political control with perhaps Jeb. I think “the Aspens are turning” was Libby’s acknowledgment that the Administration was indeed throwing him under the bus. The fact that neither he, nor Cheney, etc., testified may be because he decided not continue take the fall but rather to wait and come forward after the trial and turn on the powers that be. Mrs. Libby’s alleged comment about “we’re gonna …..’em” sounds to me like she wants Libby to flip and get back at them. Fitz said the investigation is “inactive” and indicated that it could become active if he were to receive further evidence. This is in no way over IMHO, so don’t throw away the popcorn yet.
Political. political. my shoes are political. Bush is Nixon. k. i think hell try to act as jesus if he liked to.
i think the point is somewhere else. libby started to smear wilson AFTER the invasion, in june.
Bush had to save his motivation for the iraq war for the occupation policy and wilson never knew what bush was talking about cause bush never admitted thered ever be one in the first place. so he vigorously opposed libbys insinuations.
the longer it took again the more the wilson issue gained global importance as proof bushs war was a lie and helped the insurgents.
yesterday i watched some report about iraq after the invasion and they narrated of rumsfeld imrisoning iraqi adolescents in masses to find the reason for the first bombings.
i think bush and cheney wanted their dot and they didnt get it. a nice and short story – we are the good guys and we caught the bad guys.
the more confusing it became the sourer they turned.
We got also this plain-stupid call of armitage at woodward.
these guys must have been absolutely sure WILSON DOES HARM THE INTEGRITY OF THE IRAQ WAR AFTER THE INVASION.
Phoenix Woman, Frank Probst:
This is an enticing line of thinking: what would it take to get more, active Washington Post reporters to opt for the Huffingon Post, or Talkingpointsmemo, or FDL over Hiatt’s house? It’s happened before: witness “POLITICO”, that vessel for insipid pap, or “spurious bilge” (to use a phrase people here seem to have taken to) which hired “Pool Boy”, among others.
I keep harping on some kind of collective “boycott” in the form of cancellations en masse, but I’m also going to write the usual suspects, and, on top of that, I’m going to write a few of the writers I know to appraise their editors’ increasingly deceitful and bellicose pronouncements.
maugna-
It’s the same source as who owns and controls congress.
If anyone wants to play with the WaPo do what I do when I read their online version. I sign in variously as a 80 year old woman, 19 year old male, and other faux personalities. If nothing else it screws with their demographics. Or if several dozen FDLers want to all use the same persona that is clearly identified as someone who is tired of their current editorial policy — hmm. There is no limit to the number of signins any one person can have — I’m signed in there from two windows.
And if any of you are discovered, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your mission.
LS @ 147
It just seems to me that if that were the case Team Libby would have subpoenaed Cheney and let Fitz have at him – the perfect revenge for throwing Libby under the bus, IMO.
reba:
Thanks for the response. That’s tantalizing.
Other than letter writing, I am regularly a portrait of inertia, but this has gotten me so mad I’m not going to be able to live with myself if I don’t act.
How would one do this? Create some kind of e-mail group and coordinate the timing and wording of the collective action?
Here’s another British newspaper (Their bold)
Liar in the White House:
Cheney aide found guilty in CIA leak case
Saga of Washington’s discredited WMD claims leads to the conviction for perjury of Dick Cheney’s key aide
http://news.independent.co.uk/…..334910.ece
EvilDrPuma @
105
grape expectations: pondering my raisin d’etre. vine ought? thanks a bunch. :~)
everhopeful @ 151
Wrong. Libby wasn’t indicted for blabbing Plame’s identity. He was indicted for lying and obstruction. He did that all by himself. Putting Cheney on the stand might make Cheney look bad, but there’s no way it could make Libby look good. Cutting a deal might have been a good option for Libby, but putting Cheney on the stand would not have helped him in any way.
Snowballs on cspan 3 — just for fun.
:>)
LS @ 148, Poppy Bush’s pardons in the Iran/Contra affair didn’t factor into the Idiot Son’s selection as president.
brendan @ 153
They say that email petitions don’t really work. I don’t have any bright ideas. Wonder if Howie Kurtz will touch this one. NOT
Christy, this is one of the reasons I left journalism in 1999. I was a newspaper photographer. I could see the direction long before that, when the publisher at the time, Dean Lesher (some of you may remember the name, he was a right-wing fanatic), forbade the publishing of a front page that mentioned gay people or had the photo of a black person.
This was not 1954, this was 1986.
It’s only gotten worse since then. While it’s not as blatant as it was 20 years ago, the lapping of scraps form the repukes goes on in most levels of MSM. We can only marvel at Keith Olbermann and wonder how his General Electric taskmasters allow him to continue.
I wonder how the WaPo people other than Priest and Milbank can look at themselves in the mirror. I wonder what kind of arguments go on in the newsroom? It has to be ugly.
whome? @ 145
Absolutely!!! How many people read FDL, Daily Kos, Crooks & Liars & The Huffington Post – just to name a few?
Cancellation and boycott are powerful tools – even for the powerless. Look at the impact of the bus boycotts in the South during the battle for civil rights. Or the boycotts of Woolworth’s lunch counter. Hundreds – or better yet – thousands of cancellations would have a significant impact.
If those fighting for civil rights could walk miles to get to work instead of taking the bus, I think not getting the WaPo delivered, or purchasing it from the news stand, is a fairly painless way of letting the owners and editorial staff know that their mendacity has consequences.
I watched Amb. Wilson on Keith Olberman’s news hour last night. He looked sad and exhausted. My heart goes out to him and his family.
I can’t imagine where the fear displayed on the WP’s editorial page is coming from. Access, wienies, and cocktails are one thing, this is pathological. The world saw what happened yesterday. The WP saw it, too. And they know we know they did.
My experience with denial is limited to addiction. I have no answer for this.
Jane S. @ 108
Carl Bernstein started at the Washington Star.
Guitar Playing Bastard: “I wonder how the WaPo people other than Priest and Milbank can look at themselves in the mirror. I wonder what kind of arguments go on in the newsroom? It has to be ugly.”
Believe me, there are MANY more good journalists at the POst than Milbank and Priest.
Walter Pincus is the geatest, has fought the good fight for decades. I know in my guts that they are all sickened by their editorial board.Not everyone can quit and walk away.
again. it was poppy bushs own law. secret service identities protection act. libby knew he was acting on an illegal basis. so what for the fuzz?
In an online newsletter, Publishers Weekly, the bible of the publishing industry, notes an upcoming rush-to-press book by Murray Waass on the Libby trial. Due out April 1. No fooling….
And this great promo for our own FDL/Vaster team:
GSD @ 92 — about OJ: well she was Anna NICOLE, when all is said and done! I wonder if Anna was like Nicole.1 and said the same thing after the first date: “I knew I should have chosen the V8!”
vachon @ 163
This is the modus operandi that has been resurrected from the Nixon administration (funny, weren’t Cheney and Rummy in that one): “Lie and deny, lie and deny…rinse, repeat.”
That’s who they are, it’s play number one from their playbook, it’s the first postulate in their geometry, it’s the prime in their directive. There’s no reason for a decent person to understand it other than to realize it’s what they do. Nuff said.
Snow: any talk of pardon is speculation…
a pardon is not a goodie; it’s a careful process; these things are not taken blithely;
at this point, we have an ongoing process and we don’t wanna hurt Scoots.
Q: Now you have a verdict!
Snow: There is a tendency to use this as a wheelbarrow that everything gets dumped in.
(whaa?)
The VP and the prez have private conversations and they don’t share their conversations. That’s why there is so much trust between em.
Hotflash @74, I’ve often thought a class action brought by the American people might do, but IANAL and wouldn’t know where to start.
Everhopeful 153.
It is in Libby’s best interest to flip after the trial and give Fitz some really solid evidence that would allow further indictments and then subpoena the “other guys”. At this point in time, because Libby has not yet flipped, the evidence is not substantial enough to really nail them in a conspiracy, so the fact that the Libby team did not subpoena Cheney or Rove indicates to me that they have a plan. Mrs. Libby seems strong. There is no way in hell she’s going to allow the father of her children to go to jail without a big fight. If I were her, I would give my husband an ultimatum – either you are loyal to me and our children or to those guys that screwed us, you decide. If you choose to put our children through humiliation for the rest of their lives by taking the fall for these people, then I’m outta here.
I’d like to raise the subject of a piece by Reuters’ staff, From the Web: Libby verdict and its impact. Yesterday and until earlier this morning, this was on their front page.
In a piece about Blog responses to the Libby verdict, they mention GOPBloggers, Redstate, Powerline, Balloon Juice, Political Pit Bull and Andrew Sullivan on the right, and Kevin Drum and truthdig somewhere in the middle (from my perspective).
Anyone see a hint of bias? Anyone missing from their line-up?
Letters to the Reuters editors are here.
Prairie Sunshine @ 166
OMG here come the books. Marcy’s work will be the seedbed of a million popular and academic works for years to come. Never say that one person can’t make a difference.
Eternal thanks to all of you who have made FDL the first reliable draft of history in this sordid affair.
JeffinBerlin @ 155
that must be a typo because there are lotsa LIARs in the White House, even as we speak!
brendan @ 147
Full-time journalists have to eat, pay thieir mortgages, feed their familiies. Asking them to jump ship to a blog seems like asking a lot of them. Left-wing blogs are not known for their deep pockets; Politico OTOH has a sugar daddy.
If Huffington or other blogs were to commit to paying salaries, how would they meet their payrolls? And how would that not make them suceptible to the same pressures from owners, advertisers and regulators that we have seen corrupt the MSM today?
PS I don’t understand why you call yourself a ‘hostage’ to the WaPo. Do they provide a service you need and only they are providing?
Mrs. Libby IS “the wife”.
Jane S. @ 137
What was the name of the other evening paper in DC back then? It was a tabloid style format that looked like the NY Daily News?
From AP:
Cathy @ 151 –
Yup, The NEW Best Congress Money Can Buy….. Well, we do have the Rosen and Weiss-whatsisname trials to come, with, I believe, Larry Franklin having Sung. what we need is D Feith in the dock too, and that will lead, again… BRILLIANT, back to Cheney, ‘cos of WHIG!
heh, I absolutely love it that every time I hear Feiths name, the very first thing that comes to my mind is;
‘The stupidest fucking guy on the planet’.
That was a lifetime achievement moment.
LindyH @ 168
Me neither. I have been googling and it’s not a crime to lie, although one person argues that for the Pres to lie in the SOTU speech is lying under oath. I’ll keep looking. I am from an old newspaper family, and surely *somewhere* in the 1000’s of years of human history someone has dealt with the situation of published falsehoods. Other than, “If the President does it, that means it’s not illegal.”
What’s the big deal. It’s just a 3rd rate burglary.
smiley @ 144
(Delurking) This is a must read! (Back to the sidelines)
Matthew Saroff @ 180
Damn it, when done at the behest of the Highest Office in The Land, I expect a *first rate* burglary!
melfeasance @
136
Educated Plaintiff @38 says:
March 7th, 2007 at 8:21 am
good news
according to, (my), congressman maurice hinchey, (D-NY22), this morning on sam sedar’s show – he “and others” will be pursuing getting a congressional committee to pick up where fitzgerald left off. he explained it would require the house “leadership” pulling it together & that there were several committee’s already in existence that would be appropriate. watch committee chairpeople closely these next few weeks.
I think the subscription model is the long term answer to the blog revenue issue for payment of salaries to key bloggers. Eventually blogs are gonna have to incentivize their audiences to subscribe and pay for what the blogs do like HBO or Showtime gets paid for providing first on cable or satellite run movies and other original premium content.
Maybe large scale group blogs like the HuffPo could charge a small monthly access fee for content in a section behind the paid wall exclusive to that section where their writers put all their A list material and longer pieces, still doing shorter pieces in the free section.
melfeasance @ 136
And then there’s always this:
All over Vermont yesterday, people were out voting to impeach the president. You can too! Michael Moore tells you how: Be It Resolved: You Can Impeach the President
lina @ 178
The Washington Star was the afternoon paper. I use to deliver it after I got home from school. I don’t recall any other afternoon paper.
PunchPrincess @ 152
good one!!!!
OT–but related:
The last three paras from Michiko Kakutani’s NYTimes review of Zbigniew Brzezinski’s new book, Second Chance: Three Presidents and the Crisis of American Superpower:
Just dropping in from work briefly, so haven’t read all comments. Sorry if this is duplicative… It occurs to me that the people who write for the Guardian haven’t been poisoned by Kool-Aid and cocktail wienies, which may make it easier for them to see and recognize facts.
reba @
165
Yes, that’s true. Newsroom types are usually at odds with editorial board types, it certainly was that way in every newsroom I ever worked in.
I’m a little surprised no one has reacted in shocked revulsion at the name Dean Leasher. He was a BIIIG Reagan supporter.
hey guys, this is like the perverbial cigarette after sex (I don’t smoke but you know what I mean)
from huffington;
jjury notes
MY GAWD…go read that, I had to tear myself away just to post it hear
johnSwifty:
Are you still here?
HotFlash @ 185
rofl
In case anyone missed Christy’s appearance on Sam Seder’s show, KPOJ in Portland, OR delays his show. Her interview is coming up in a few minutes.
I am sure to be EPU’d – but did you guys see the book coming out on the Italian forgeries? It is coming out April 3rd. Found the link on DU.
Link
Yeah I know Jason Leopold is not exactlyy #1 fav journalist around here, but look at this: Congress Says Prepared to Act in Plame Affair.
HotFlash at #182:
I’m a “hostage” only because I like a printed paper in the morning. So it does provide a service. I will miss it.
Obviously people don’t have the money the Post does; I’m not naive. But, to repeat, it’s been done before: the loathsome Politico is my example. It seems it’s not a particularly original notion and has been percolating for some time.
Educated Plaintiff @ 190
It also leaves the impression that the left blogoshphere uses blog-posts to dissemble and decieve.
-GSD
perris @ 194
incredible, isn’t it?
I’m waiting for the article he writes after he reads Marcy’s Anatomy of Deceit.
just say “no” to sock puppetry.
Oui, oui, no puppetry.
-GSD
perris @ 193
hey guys, this is great stuff, but I thought jury notes had to be destroyed
true of false?
Looks like the Gingrich Revolution has reached the ‘eating of its own’ phase.
Bushco have turned on lifelong Republican prosecutors merely because they were unwilling to act as political surrogates.
Now the Justice Dept. flunkie who called to threaten the canned AG’s is shocked that his call was seen as threatening.
-GSD
My letter to the WAPO ombud(s)
I am requesting a subscription wall be applied to your editorial section like that of TimesSelect. People who want to read your erudite wisdom should be willing to pay the price. Those who prefer the news will get it and those who can pay will get their wisdom. Call it wingnut welfare.
TheOtherWa @ 197:
Thanks. I’m listening to her now.
The WP is really taking some heat on the comments page – 18 pages of nothing but “who the fuck are you kidding?”
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 189
I suspect I’m older than you. Just looked it up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T…..Daily_News
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 161
Up until the early 90’s the Manchester(NH) Union Leader referred to gays as “sodomites”. Not to mention their infamous editorial headlined: “Kissinger the Kike” back in the Nixon days.
-GSD
Froomkin!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01347.html
Tom @ 208
After reviewing, Li’l Debbie will claim a case of the vapors and cluck about incivility.
angie @ 212:
I wonder what Froomkin thinks of the editorial, and the bruhaha over it.
GSD @ 203
I was struck by Iglesias’ testimony. When Snarlen Spector asked him why he didn’t report the phone calls to the DOJ (as he admitted he should’ve) he said the reason was that he considered Domenici a mentor and Wilson a very good friend.
Yet, they ate him alive anyway.
He answers that at the linky, Biodun
:)
Lindsay Graham aka Huckelberry, “I went huntin’ with Dick and he’s a real nice feller”.
“What’s that? What was we huntin’ for? I’ll never tell.”
Biodun @
142
Not to be importune, BUT, would someone please explain to my why Cheney — or our Naked Emperor, for that matter — gives a tinker’s damn about their so called “legacy”. I cannot imagine people with their heads so far up their own dark asses, would care. They retire to seclusion on Chesapeake Bay and Crawford Texas, relax on all their oil related stocks and write an occasional op-ed piece and give a few speeches to reactionary wingnut crowds for $100,000 a pop. Life is good.
Ahhh the good life, after retiring from the helm of a corporate plutocracy…
Missed the original Seder interview
Good on you, Christy!
Dang it. I caught Christy’s last comment.
I keep forgetting about that station.
Thanks for the reminder!
Oh! Watertiger!!!
That smackdown was beautiful.
angie:
Thanks. Just read it.
Bustednuckles @ 222:
Wasn’t it fantastic? I just sent her an email. I’ve always enjoyed watertiger’s posts at FDL.
I wonder how many shares of Halliburton the WaPo holds? All roads lead to Halliburton.
Thanks, Bustednuckles & Biodun – I sent ya an email back. I’ve been periodically updating it with other facts that Mr. Hiatt seems to have conveniently forgotten.
It seems be a journalist in D.C. these days is kinda like being a weatherperson – you can be wrong 100% of the time and still get paid.
Jim Clausen:
Please see my earlier comments, especially #56. I’m a subscriber wondering how to organize a collective cancellation action.
lina @ 210:
In 1972, The Washington Daily News was purchased by and merged with the competing Washington Star.
Funny, I didn’t remember that. I think in 1972 I worked in a pet shop…The Animal Hut on Wisconsin Avenue. It was later that I had the paper route. :)
man, fitz really is the man…check this out from the a member of the jury posted over at huffington;
that was pretty fast thinking for the fitz, and look how effective it was indeed
Go over to the Guardian and sign up for their Comments section– American right-wing nutjobs are cramming it full with bullshit and they need to be countered. Cite the Media Matters debunking piece: http://mediamatters.org/items/200703060008
malfeasance:
See earlier comments, esp. #56. Collective cancellation action.
shorter watertiger: “go ask Fred, when he’s ten feet tall”
nice work…
punaise @ 231
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Exactly!
look at this…this is one intelligent jury;
man, libby couldn’t really get people more even handed then this jury
“The trial has been death by 1,000 cuts for Cheney,” said Scott Reed, a Republican strategist. “It’s hurt him inside the administration. It’s hurt him with the Congress, and it’s hurt his stature around the world because it has shown a lot of the inner workings of the White House. It peeled the bark right off the way they operate.”
(snip)
The arrogance of the initial act, the closed door energy task force, the RW think tank committee chairs, the california blackouts and election recall, a sitting VP collecting war profiteering checks from his former company, the divvying up of Iraqi oil shares, the secret intelligence stovepipe, the disdain for the American public, the disdain for government agencies, the disdain for the constitution and three co-equal branches of government – none of these things were ever more than a blip on the radar because of a complicit media.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 228
guess you’re not that young afterall (smile). I graduated from McLean high school in ‘72.
new thread from Christy upstairs.
Yeh watertiger!
Don Graham surely is Phil’s boy, isn’t he.
While the short-term implications of this conviction are hazy, the Bush administration has driven the Republican party and conservatism into a deep credibility deficit with younger Americans. The arrogance of the Bush administration will be paying dividends to Democrats for years to come.
Didn’t Bob Woodward say the Libby investigation was a lot about nothing a long time ago, when he had been told by Armitage about Plame? And isn’t he a senior member of the Post management? It is no wonder the Post editorializes like it does about the Libby case–a wonderfully uncompromised
editorial and reportorial staff.
Red Raider 65 @ 240
Yes – and his “performance” on Larry King Live around this issue – and how he handled the administration’s outing of a CIA covert agent (no big deal, just a bit of gossip, nothing to see – just move along) has permanently tarnished a once stellar career and reputation.
Most of us who once held him in high regard feel a great deal of disgust toward Woodward. So lumping him in with the likes of Hiatt is not a big reach for me.
dab_from_ct @ 241
Bob “groupthink” Woodward pretends to work for the WaPo but he works for himself. Woodward is a stenographer.
I posted a comment simlar to this one in the thread above this one not realizing it was more appropriate here. And no doubt stuck in epu-land…maybe some readers who are just getting home from work like myself will come along and see it.
This is how Joe Wilson responded to Anderson Cooper regarding his critics last nite (like WaPo editorial board). This was said even before today’s totally grossly negligent truthiness crap they spewed out but still very relevant. (my bold)
Here’s the transcript segment from last nite’s Anderson Cooper’s 360 show(3/06/07) that is relevant. He had a great answer…
Touche!
reba @
160
I wonder if a group of thugs rushed their offices, destroying their newsroom, and editorial board offices shouting “Off The Record! This is on “Deep Background’!” would make the point! The Post is not only suporting CRIMINALS by their policies…but they seem utterly unwilling to accept the fact that their “sources” are criminals!
The internet blogosphere must be a bigger threat to the viability Washington Post than I thought. To be publishing this Hiatt editorial they must be getting a revenue stream from Richard Melon-Scafe,or hoping to bring down a stream from the Moonie Messiah.