Last week I pissed and moaned about posted a semi-comprehensive, semi-coherent analysis of the problems with our media as the first installment of my What's-Wrong-With-Our-Democracy trilogy-unless-I-think-of-some-other-stuff, and that set off an excellent discussion of possible remedies (which I have attempted to summarize back at my place). This week, I want to focus on the very core of democracy and accountability, the electoral process itself... which is not entirely unrelated to the media, as you may have noticed.
There are three layers of problems with the electoral system, each one obscuring and distracting attention from the layer behind it. The first and most obvious layer is the paperless voting machines, whose source code is as fiercely guarded as the machines themselves are not. Their erratic output (usually in the Republicans' favor) has not inspired confidence during their brief tenure, but it is difficult to say conclusively how many election outcomes they have actually altered (at least one for sure).
Of course, the remedy for this one is very simple: ban paperless voting. Individual states (more than I realized) have already moved on this, and Rush Holt (D-NJ) has introduced legislation to make it a federal requirement. There's actually a good chance we could win on this one - the burning question is whether it will be in time for 2008. Holt and other Democrats should not be reluctant to grandstand if Republicans attempt to block or delay electronic voting reform: force them to explain why they don't want our elections to be verifiable.
But electronic manipulation of votes (which I believe is risky enough to be a tactic of last resort), while very high-profile, pales in comparison to the active suppression of votes, through a myriad of legal and illegal dirty tricks: ex-con disenfranchisement and the voter roll purges it enables, ID requirements and other hurdles to the registration and voting process, strategic voting machine shortages in Democratic precincts, deceptive or threatening flyers and robocalls, phonejamming, intimidation by "poll watchers," and a whole host of others that I haven't thought of or don't know about.
Unfortunately, I think we're largely dependent on legislation here, too. The grassroots/netroots can educate and try to counter the misinformation, can assist with registration and voting, but I just don't see any way we can counter voter purges or phonejamming or voting machine deprivation (we can provide snacks and drinks and maybe even umbrellas to people stuck in 3-hour lines, but I'm not sure that's enough). The Obama/Schumer bill is a good start (I especially like the beefed-up penalties, but they're still not enough - election tampering should be a serious felony), but it doesn't go far enough. All of these tactics need to be outlawed, so that everyone can vote if they're eligible, regardless of their socioeconomic status.
But all of these are merely issues with voting itself. The biggest problem by far is not the limitations on our right to vote, but the limitations on who we can vote for. The very structure of our electoral system protects the power of money and incumbency, and makes it extremely difficult for progressives to muster competitive campaigns at the national or statewide level.
There is nothing, absolutely nothing, more destructive to our electoral process than our current campaign finance system. Thanks to the ever-increasing costs of saturation advertising, candidates are becoming more consumed with chasing money than chasing votes. And most of that money is not coming from (financially) ordinary citizens like us, but from wealthy individuals, corporations, and industry PACs. In the so-called "money primary," we don't get much of a vote. And if, as the defenders of the status quo like to say, money equals speech, then we don't get much of a voice, either. Our elections should not be decided by who can raise the most money; that's way down there on my list of Skills It Is Important For My Elected Officials To Have, unless they want to use their fundraising powers to start chipping away at the national debt.
In essence, the big spenders have become vote brokers, selling our votes, and the candidates are making deals with them instead of us. And while some of the big spenders really are progressives, the majority prefer to donate to either incumbents or business- and wealth-friendly challengers. Sure, you get the occasional self-funding multimillionaire, but most of those are not as progressive as Ned Lamont.
So, what to do? I would love to see legislation to force the media to drastically lower their pricing for campaign ad placement (broadcast media in particular, since the government owns their airwaves), partly because it would dramatically reduce campaign funding requirements, and partly because, well, I just really hate the media. I would also like to boost the public financing allowance to keep pace with campaignflation, and/or allow candidates to raise money to supplement it, rather than having to choose one kind of funding or the other. Or, as long as we're talking about Things That Will Never Happen, how about a cap on how much money a candidate can spend, like the salary cap in football?
Of course, incumbents get to make the rules, so unless there is a huge, seat-threatening, throw-the-bums-out groundswell of demand for major campaign finance reform, or a steady infiltration by reform-minded progressives, it's hard to imagine the passage of any laws which might make it significantly harder to get re-elected. So assuming we're on our own, what can we do?
To some extent, we're already doing a lot of it. The good news is that netroots have both fundraising and message dissemination capabilities, through organizations like ActBlue (*waves at Howie*) and MoveOn, allowing us to give money to progressive candidates, while at the same time reducing their need for it. The bad news is that although it has come a long way, our fundraising is still no match for what the elites can provide. We've had our greatest impact on House races and a handful of targeted Senate races, but I fear we will be but a drop in the bucket in the presidential money chase.
We face an additional challenge as well. It is not enough for us to swing races: The Democratic party establishment has to recognize that we can swing races. After our first big wave of success in 2006, the party establishment (and the Republicans) immediately spun the voters' repudiation of the war and embrace of progressive candidates as a victory for DLC-style centrism. And as long as the DLC/K-Street Elite axis of the Democratic Party is allowed to take credit for electoral victories, they will continue to make their absurd claims that selling out the party's core values is totally worth it because it wins elections. And since that is also the path of least resistance to getting the big corporate bucks, they will always be able to find a willing audience. Until we break the DLC's back by providing a reliable alternative path to victory, we are always going to be second in the hearts of our party.
As before, please share whatever ideas you have on how we can improve the electoral system, or at least work around it.
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Um, apologies if this is a little bit ragged - I ran out of time trying to get the editor’s damn link button to work, so I’m afraid it doesn’t end quite as gracefully as I’d like…
Fitz!
I just broke my voluntary moratorium on “fitzing”, seeing as today is a very special day in “Fitztory”.
I’ll go back to letting everyone else get the 0’s, but I wanted to get one in today!
Eli!
and Team Plame!
and of course….
Fitz!
I just broke my voluntary moratorium on “fitzing”, seeing as today is a very special day in “Fitztory”.
I’ll go back to letting everyone else get the 0’s, but I wanted to get one in today!
Heh. I even have a couple of Libby posts back at my place, and that almost never happens.
Jeralyn’s on.
http://www.airamerica.com/maddow/
In addition to solving the money problem (and in my view it’d be hard to beat public financing), we also need to solve the talent problem.
I know we’re attracting some good people to our races these days, even though their primary qualification is they are seen as being able to raise the needed dough.
I’m thinking of the candidates of the future. The Republicans have a well-oiled machine that grooms people from 12-14 years old all the way up. And part of that is the wingnut welfare system.
But we need to address this in a major way. I have a 15 year old daughter who is politically aware and would pursue a career in politics, but where’s the career path? Go to law school and hope to get lucky?
If she were a right-wing kook, there’d be plenty of options for her to consider. Today, Rick Santorum’s nanny, tomorrow White House intern. But for those of us NOT on the Dark Side, the choices aren’t clear enough.
This has to be a priority if we’re serious about taking back our society.
Public campaign financing seems to be more or less working here in CT, but getting it through on a national level is going to take a huge effort. I realize that the Senate tends to be an incumbant-protection racket, and there are a lot of special interests who want to keep their candidates in power.
But by continuing to support candidates by contributing through ActBlue and MoveOn, we’re not only directly supporting progressives, but we’re also helping to publicize the NEED to get campaign finance reform implemented. Making people aware of the problem is a big step in the right direction.
In addition to solving the money problem (and in my view it’d be hard to beat public financing), we also need to solve the talent problem.
I know we’re attracting some good people to our races these days, even though their primary qualification is they are seen as being able to raise the needed dough.
Wouldn’t it be nice if we had candidates who were good at campaigning and legislating and governing *instead* of fundraising? And didn’t have to pay a penalty for that?
I want a system where politicians are rewarded for integrity instead of pandering and schmooze.
Eli, have you heard that Diebold is may no longer be in the business of electronic voting machines?
Apparently, this division was plagued with so much scandal, they are considering dropping it.
DIEBOLD WEIGHS STRATEGY FOR VOTING UNIT - Wired News
Eli, have you heard that Diebold is may no longer be in the business of electronic voting machines?
Apparently, this division was plagued with so much scandal, they are considering dropping it.
Heh. I think we’ve already had this conversation, or maybe it was someone else who told me about it.
I’m really kind of amazed that they’re capable of embarrassment.
Eli, it doesn’t matter that your analysis (post) is brilliant. These pups are celebratin’ drunk.
Anyway, us rich folk will always find a way to scam the electoral system, and also the media system. i was always disgusted sleeping with Victorean Toensig, because she was never really there there. But she works on camera.
Still, i think that given the level of understanding of the amurkan peoples, it’s probably better that we control their choices.
Eli — Great post, this series has been very illuminating.
We need to work to change our party’s culture about primaries. As districts become less and less competitive across parties, intra-party primaries become the only way to get new, proper representation. (Ellen, I’m looking at you!!) But our party HATES primaries, and there’s always lots of whining about how they are a waste, they pit allies against each other, and they are counterproductive.
Here in SF, we have a primary scheduled between two GLBT officeholders (Mark Leno, termed-out Assemblyman is challenging Carole Migden, current state senator in 2008).
Robert Haaland, former Dem Club President and queer/labor activist, has developed a pledge for a clean campaign. I reference it here in case anyone else is facing primaries between natural allies; maybe we need to include a pledge in our support of any officeholder, BEFORE they get elected, in order to hold them to clean campaigning when they get primaried.
Just a thought; thanks for this excellent and thought-provoking series.
Eli, it doesn’t matter that your analysis (post) is brilliant. These pups are celebratin’ drunk.
Heh. I figured as much. Well, the second part, at least.
Thanks, TeddySF! In my first draft of this post, I actually did go off on a tangent about gerrymandering as another incumbency-protection racket, and I may or may not have planned to say something about that being an invitation to primary challenges.
Because if you gerrymander a safely blue district, and you have a purple congresscritter…
Hi Eli, thanks for tackling an important post, though it’s tough to wrench my thoughts away from Fitz to the voting debacle we have here.
Doing a little pre election fact finding in my state, I was dismayed to find we use quite a few optical scanners, with a paper printout as verification. However, the paper verified voting is useless unless towns are randomly selected for audits. As you say, it is a simple enough matter to tamper with the codes in the voting machines and switch votes. The solution? Ban the freaking optical scanners entirely; or rigorously defend against voting fraud by conducting random audits, with full transparency to the public.
Here in Vermont, I and a few others lobbied our Secretary of State pretty aggressively prior to the election, and to her credit, she heard our concerns, and agreed to conduct random audits in public view.
I think for now, the fight for voting machines is going to be local.
Is anyone else not seeing the ‘Quote this comment’ option?
I haven’t seen it since this morning.
Still need more contributors to the Independent Bloggers’ Alliance. Election integrity is definitely an issue I’d like to see covered, but I haven’t been able to keep on top of those developments lately.
I did post the transcript of Bono’s NAACP Chairman’s Award Acceptance Speech, though. Very inspirational.
Doing a little pre election fact finding in my state, I was dismayed to find we use quite a few optical scanners, with a paper printout as verification. However, the paper verified voting is useless unless towns are randomly selected for audits. As you say, it is a simple enough matter to tamper with the codes in the voting machines and switch votes. The solution? Ban the freaking optical scanners entirely; or rigorously defend against voting fraud by conducting random audits, with full transparency to the public.
At least the optical scanners have a paper trail, so that if anyone tampers with results, they know they could very well get busted. The trick would be how to tamper with the vote subtly enough that no-one becomes suspicious enough to demand a paper recount.
Balrog the quotes have been turned off temporarily because of all the traffic on the site.
Balrog: “Quote” is temporarily disabled to alleviate server load when volume is as high as today…
Is anyone else not seeing the ‘Quote this comment’ option?
I haven’t seen it since this morning.
I was wondering about that. It’s probably to cut down on server overhead - maybe they expect above-average traffic today for some reason.
(It’s probably a Fitzmas miracle that I even got this post in today…)
“Refresh” has disappeared for me a couple times.
“Eli is a rockstar.“
Now I have to go back and read the post.
We here in WA state also have the optical scanners with paper trail. Interestingly, ( I stuck my foot in my mouth and got called on it,so I actually did some research)Each county in the state chooses which kind of voting machine they use. There is no statewide standard. ( As of my last research)
Okay, but if you know that you have a watchdog Secretary of State, who will randomly select multiple precincts to audit, and will then public audit with handcounts, that increases your risk of getting busted, subtle or not.
Okay, but if you know that you have a watchdog Secretary of State, who will randomly select multiple precincts to audit, and will then public audit with handcounts, that increases your risk of getting busted, subtle or not.
Well, yes, that would be nice.
Great post, Eli!
Just stopping by the blog for the first time today.
Did I miss anything important?
Thanks, TRex!
No, nothing, just this *very* insightful post about election reform…
nah, same ol’ same ol’, y’a know?
2 words that don’t belong together: voting machine. The paper ballots used in some parts of ca are perfect. Connect the head and tail of an arrow to mark your vote. A touch screen cannot be simpler, a computer system not more secure.
I’m stunned Fitz said the investigation is inactive.
Reading between the lines is he begging Congress to ask for the records?
Yeah, same with my state, Bustedknuckles. But what I also read recently is that the company that makes Optical Scanners is aggressively marketing them to the Sec of State, who has emailed all town clerks asking if they want free scanners. Now, I guess some of the town clerks are thinking this is a good time saving device - and they are opting in. This is where letters to editor, a visit to one’s town clerk, etc, could help.
OT: Special Edition of Hardball Live
Matt Cooper will be on
Shuster on right now live
Eli @ #19,
for me, the Quote’s gone, as is the Edit.
That’s MSNBC.com’s headline
I thought what the jurors said was that Libby was a perjurer who obstructed justice.
I changed to permanent absentee voter to avoid the electronic machines - they are here in CA too.
I also like some of the ideas that were generated before the last election. I know alot of FDLers were motivated to sign up as poll watchers. But also some took it upon themselves to act as citizen watchdogs, manning the polls with video cameras and cell phones. I think we could organize this kind of thing, state by state, pinpointing trouble spots - ie those with “voting machines” or any precinct that is red flagged.
for me, the Quote’s gone, as is the Edit.
Same deal. No nonessential frippery until the Plamania dies down.
*eyes spellcheck button suspiciously*
The quote/edit buttons will return. They were disabled for verdict day to ease the load on the servers.
Trex, If no one shows up tonight, not to worry because they are out celebrating.
*waves to Suzanne*
And some of us are quietly celebrating at the keyboard.
To Fitz! Clink. Glug glug.
thanx for info Suzanne
I’m stunned Fitz said the investigation is inactive.
Reading between the lines is he begging Congress to ask for the records?
That is my take.
Hey TRex. Dayam, you look good in the daytime.
This may have been reported before. NewsHour says the investigation is now closed and that there will be no further charges. Fitzgerald said it was inactive. I think if he had wanted to say closed he would have.
I say we just host a game show on NBC - Who wants to be the next President of the USA.
Get all the candidates and make them compete in real presidential affairs - Balancing budgets in 30 minutes (Point out if they fucked up and gave too much money to Halliburton or something), meeting with ambassadors and prime ministers or presidents of other countries (maybe S. American would be best - These cats may cost a lot less to have on the show than European counterparts. Also, I think it’d be great to see how a candidate handles being called a devil by Chavez).
Work your way from 16 to 1. AMERICA, YOU DECIDE.
And, to keep America love/hating the judges, we’ll have Simon from American Idol as one of the judges.
Sadly, I think people would be interested. But I don’t think it’s terribly bad - It’s just the medium which people tend to gravitate toward these days. The way our physical communities have been designed or set up, there are virtually NO meeting places any more.
Community squares, or town halls, do not exist or not used for community meetings. We no longer discuss such things in these settings. So, make a game show, let the politicians talk and compete, and then have america vote with their phones. The candidates with the least votes are removed, week by week.
And yes, this is a joke. But so is America, so we might as well laugh a bit as we sail into a sea of madness! madness I tells you!
BTW I’m celebrating Fitzmas with cheap malt liquor.
TRex!
great post last night!
an inspiration and a keeper.
How’s your back?
I thought of you as I slapped on another thermacare heatwrap and spritzed on a suffocating amount of O24
Matt Cooper on Hardball right now
I’m expecting a TRex party post which underscores the importance of the Peanut wearing haute couture Stegosaurus.
Fitz seems to be a man careful with his words. “Inactive” is not the same as “closed”.
Fitz said he would “do the appropriate thing” if asked to turn over records to the congress.
Is there a problem with him doing so?
I say we just host a game show on NBC - Who wants to be the next President of the USA.
Ironically, I have said many times that Dubya acts like the presidency is some kind of reality show prize.
He loves all the perks and adoration and posturing, but absolutely *hates* all the responsibility.
We seemed to have picked the wrong door in the contest. *g*
Voting Day should be a Federal holiday.
Voting Day should be a Federal holiday.
Oh yeah, that’s a good one. And very simple.
I’ve reminded folks for years that the airwaves are SUPPOSEDLY the property of the American people (just “supposedly” since it doesn’t appear to mean a damned thing — corporations make billions on our airwaves and then distort the news to boot — all using property which belongs to WE THE PEOPLE).
That being the case, the broadcasting corporations (local and national teevee, cable, radio) OWE it to the American people to provide a certain amount of time for the candidates to use (the amount of time could be negotiated/haggled) to present themselves to the American voting public.
That should be FREE. It is entirely a grave sin that the corporations get obscenely wealthy off the distortion of democracy, using the property of the same American public which gets screwed by the process to do so.
Agree about the holiday, let’s move presidents day and use that, seems right.
We still have town meeting day in Vermont. (today as a matter of fact - first tuesday in march). Everything is closed. No school. Take care of business day.
They’ve privatized the air waves, worked as good as the Walter Reed deal.
They’ve privatized the air waves, worked as good as the Walter Reed deal.
They’ve treated the truth in much the same way WR treated wounded vets…
This problem from hell requires a little lateral thinking and fuzzy logic…so lets go across the pond and back in time a bit…the EU superstate that included Big Left, Big Right and Big Media delivered on popular passport free travel and a convenient common currency and was then getting delusions of gradiosity and asking for more police power. This crude attempt (to rival the American Military-entertainment complex?) was rebuffed by a sort of spontaneous twin pronged reaction. In a healthy ‘immune reaction’ referendum the far left and the far right then beat the ‘center’.
This could be a sort of ‘ Impi’ strategy where we ,the people, advance in diversity and strike in unison. The free net is our best and sharpest weapon so lets raise peoples consciousness on ripping the last empire a new one Shaka Zulu style!
Lets ROLL! ( cue Dean scream)
Hey people, forget about more Fitz. Marcy has always said that any charges about the “outing” of our heroine Plame would end up in the bushco supreme court before there was a word about the facts. Is Instadeclassification permitted oder nicht? Fitz got it right, go to the destroyed congress if you want the truth.
Umhh, i want the truth, Mr. Conyers.
Eli -
As one of the frontpagers writing about non-trial stuff for the last couple of weeks, let me just say that you won the prize for having the best post that gets swamped by a Libby verdict. My fear with my post yesterday was that this would have happened to me.
Two fast thoughts:
(1) Thanks for taking one for the team.
(2) Don’t let go of this.
Between the ActBlue work that got the notice of the behind-the-scenes party folks (whether they will admit it or not) and the Libby Trial blogging that got the attention of the MSM, FDL has become a force in the American political debate, and we’re not going away any time soon. Keep pushing!
Eli@54
Bush sure doesn’t seem to want to be bothered with the job. I half expected him not to run in 2004,
if only. *sigh*
EPU’d from last thread:
The truth breaks their cameras, Fox went down when Fitz gave his presser today.
In Germany voting day has always been (and still is, unless I’m mistaken) on a Sunday.
This is because virtually all businesses are closed on Sunday.
Sunday would never work here, the fundies would have a fit about voting (work) on the Lord’s Day. And stores and many other businesses are open on Sundays now that virtually all “blue laws” have been abolished.
Still having voting day as a holiday makes perfect sense. We should definitely do it.
I’m for mailing it in — my vote, that is.
Thanks, Peterr! I was actually worried about this scenario last week.
On the other hand, I guess there’ll be all these people coming to FDL for the skinny on the verdict who will see my post… and then skip right past it looking for Libby stuff.
(Peterr!)
The airwaves are LEASED, not owned, by private corporations.
[fat lot of good it does, grumble, grumble]
Take it to heart Eli, Peterr is right.
This is a hugely important subject and it is way overdue for adjustment.
The airwaves are LEASED, not owned, by private corporations.
[fat lot of good it does, grumble, grumble]
When was the last time an owner lost a license?
What the rethugs
soldgave away, the people will reclaim.Eli -
litigatormom sacrificed a goat, you sacrificed a post, and Libby got cooked.
Tweety says Fitz is like a virgin? LOL
Now Sauber:
Tweety: As an attorney, how did you see this? It befuddled us non-attorneys.
Sauber: It’s a standard case you see in criminal investigations. People who lie to GJ get caught up in it. It happens every day.
Tweety: this juror Collins seems like an accomplished guy. He said 9 examples of libby talking about Plame, nobody believed that libby really forgot.
Sauber: from the beginning I thought case against libby was overwhelming, and that Fitz had no choice but to bring the case.
Tweety: what was Wells’ defense?
Sauber: he tried to cast it as a he-said, she-said, but if Libby had not tried to make stuff up, manufacture story….he was a scapegoat, they rejected that.
Tweety: scapegoat is innocent, fall guy is guilty.
Sauber: yes you are right. What struck me in courtroom was level of antipathy to administration. Wells tried to tap into that, make Scooter a victim. They bought into that somewhat, but he was still guilty.
More Sauber: Fitz is owed an apology. Had a job, did it, didn’t leak, not partisan.
Tweety: not partisan at all. Seems like the most virginal, cleanest guy in Washington.
VIRGINAL? Why does Tweety always have penises on the brain?
CLEANEST? Do other prosecutors have bad hygiene?
I wish Tweety would mention that there already is a book about this case!!
Take it to heart Eli, Peterr is right.
This is a hugely important subject and it is way overdue for adjustment.
Unfortunately, I kinda suck at that. I hate to repeat myself, so I probably wouldn’t write about it again unless something new came up.
I’ll try to keep an eye on how that Rush Holt legislation is progressing, and I’ll try to work it in if I have occasion to plug ActBlue (i.e., if there’s a Dem presidential candidate I like…).
I’m hoping that we’ll get reruns on the posts that haven’t gotten enough discussion. This stuff is too good to get lost in drunken celebration.
I wish Tweety would mention that there already is a book about this case!!
Marcy needs an updated edition. Denis Collins will surely have a good shot at a book, prolly has offers by now.
Yeah, Eli, I agree with Peterr. This post is simply not going to get the attention it deserves tonight. The collapse of fair elections is a huge issue, and we need to start bearing down on it, now.
However, that said, I keep having happy thoughts of Fitz not being able to pay for a drink and people slapping him on the back and Marcy drinking wine and getting even fiercer than she already is and the celebrating going on all over the country. And did I say, let’s toast to Fitz?
litigatormom sacrificed a goat, you sacrificed a post, and Libby got cooked.
On the one hand, I sweated blood over the post.
On the other hand, I fear it’s a little shaky - I didn’t really figure out a good angle until late last night.
I sign online petitions, call my congressional representatives and give money when I can to organizations like MoveOn as well as to individual candidates. Where money is concerned I have absolutely no interest in contributing to K Street candidates. Period. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but when McAuliffe first pointed the DNC in the direction of major corporate donors there was no Internet and no real netroots. Corporations and zillionaires were where you went for big bucks. The result was a head-to-head corporate sponsored competition between the Ds and the Rs for advertising budget dollars. Where did it lead? On the one side, corporatist neocons, on the other side corporatist neolibs. That’s where we are today. That’s why McAuliffe is still a strategist for Hilary in 2008.
If the netroots wants to raise $1BB plus a year (which it could), it needs to have a single payee system among the various progressive organizations that individuals like myself can contribute to on a per paycheck basis. An automatic deduction. And that money has to go to progressive candidates with as little administrative overhead expense as possible. That would make the progressive money the 800 lb. gorilla. Do the math. Multiply 10-20 million people by $200-300 a year and tell me what you get.
Jackass from the National Review wants a pardon now on tweety.
Back Kucinich and Ron Paul…we need to back a people’s president for a change….no DLC BS
Yeah, Eli, I agree with Peterr. This post is simply not going to get the attention it deserves tonight. The collapse of fair elections is a huge issue, and we need to start bearing down on it, now.
Well, I’ll be linking to it in the intro to next week’s post, if that helps…
Chief Spearcatcher!
Please do though. Let everyone get over their hangovers and dust themselves off and gird their loins again for another round.
Eli- I hope you keep hammering away at this topic. You are so correct on so many points.
As for people coming to FDL to get the skinny on the verdict- well, it was actually mercifully simple. I was teaching at the time, but I gather the verdict was reported like “boom, boom, boom”. It’s the spin that is complicated, or complicating, or… whatever.
Eli the post is fine. Any other day…
It’s Fitzmas everyone!
Do people stop on Christmas and start talking about haloween? NO.
Can’t we just continue the conversation about Fitzmas? If you wacth coverage of the Loibby trial on TV, share your observations here. Thanks.
raven: “Jackass from the National Review wants a pardon now on tweety.”
Why do the republicans hate the justice system? Why do they hate America?
Talking points
TeddySF@79 - if Tweedy’s producers were smart they’d book Marcy early before she gets booked up!
re: Tweety saying Fitz is like a virgin.
Please. We’re swooning as it is.
Got to go cook dinner. Regular menu is out tonight — it’s a celebration! The Kid wants me to make crab fettucini, and who am I to argue with that?
(Actually, his first request was for calamari, but we’re out of that. Whatta kid!)
Thanks lit-mom. Your coverage has been excellent.
I’m curios if anyone knows a TV channel that’s going to show Fitz’s post trial presser. Did he have two? One immediatly and one at 5:05?
I. Guilty
II. Guilty
III. Not Guilty
IV. Guilty
V. Guilty
Waving at VG.
Hi Valley Girl!
Ironically — or not — just now I got a call from the DNC (Democratic National Committee) asking me to join so that they could get a million new members and “send a strong message” to the prez … yada, yada, yada. I was in no mood. How much stronger does the message need to be? We want justice. We want honest government. We want out of Iraq. That message has been sent but, apparently, not received. I guess you could say she caught me at a bad time.
Thanks for your post, Eli. Very important stuff.
Thanks Eli!
Fitz presser on cspan1 tonight at 10pm.
Yes, Marcy should add a postscript. We should contribute.
Some bozo named David Rivkin is saying the jury was wrong, sometimes juries get it wrong.
Richard Ben-Veniste: POTUS has discretion to pardon, he can do it, but he would do it for the spear carrier of the WH trying to manipulate the press.
Rivkin: totally incorrect. This administration, unlike Watergate, there is no underlying crime. Plame not covered by statute. Since when is it a crime to confront a critic who was not totally honest.
Tweety: if trip was undertaken as a result of Cheney inquiry, testimony of several witnesses, why didn’t Cheney get report of trip.
Rivkin: because report validated yellowcake theory. [Marcy’s book explains this meme.]
Ben-Veniste: if information doens’t fit the program, it gets discarded.
Tweety: Tenet told me to ask Cheney about getting a report on Wilson.
Ben-Veniste: no pardon now, will play out for some time. President has power to do it. But by giving him a pardon, you have to acknowledge that he is an underling carrying out the wishes of the Veep.
Rivkin: because no underlying crime, a pardon does not reward Scooter. [THE SOUND YOU HERE IS THE COMBINED FORCE OF VOMIT AND HEAD IMPLOSION]
Rivkin: Veep not under any cloud. Fitz is overreaching.
Tweety: so is Libby innocent.
Rivkin: I HONESTLY DO NOT KNOW IF HE LIED UNDER OATH. But every witness in this case had a different recollection. Case about memory. Knocks Timmeh’s recollection.
So. Rivkin says that maybe Libby lied, but his prosecution and conviction is still an outrage, and that pardoning him will not reward criminality.
FURTHER RETCHING AND HEAD IMPLOSION…..
Tweety let’s this jerkoff have the last word, just like he did over and over with John O Neil.
hey angie, will that be the same presser he had outside the courthouse, or another one?
Eli- I am chiming in with a “reprise this post”- or break it into parts and expand with links to the various dirty deeds that have been done. The lull after the storm is the perfect time to do this.
busted- waving back!
Eli: sorry your post is being hijacked. It’s important, you should re-post it tomorrow.
The top staffer to the Vice President of the United States was convicted today of perjury, false statements and obstruction of justice.
Pass it on.
Rivkin: because no underlying crime, a pardon does not reward Scooter. [THE SOUND YOU HERE IS THE COMBINED FORCE OF VOMIT AND HEAD IMPLOSION]
My dogs get anxious when their dog daddy screams at the TV.
Guess I was wrong to say the lull after the storm, above, because it isn’t going to be that way- the spin after the storm, and countering that. LitigMom- how many goats do you have available?
So basically, if you want to make any media changes, we have to wait for the next presidential candidate to appoint some progressives into the FCC.
That’s the target right there. Focus on FCC. With as much money is involved with the m