
Disclaimer: this is NOT a transcript, but my quick, live notes.
2:30 EST
Melanie Sloan of CREW (MS): Thank you for coming. We're very pleased by verdict. Justice served. Valerie and Joe thank the prosecution team. No one above the law.
Civil case will proceed. It's about whether constitutional rights violated by administration. About abuse of power at highest echelons of government. Different from criminal case. Critical to continue to pursue this.
Joe Wilson (JW): We take great comfort that this is a nation of laws. No citizen is above the law. Respect the efforts of Walton and prosecution and jury.
Questions:
Q (John Amato): Congratulations. Will verdict help your civil case, and will Cheney be under further scrutiny?
JW: In aftermath of verdict, no reason for WH to hide behind ongoing trial to avoid questions. Would like to see Pres and VP share with the American people what they told the prosecutor during the investigation. The rest of this question I leave to my attorney.
Q: What new information will come out in the civil trial? Do you worry about chilling effect on the press?
MS: Civil case needs discovery to get additional facts, Libby, Armitage, Cheney others. Civil case is about justification for war and efforts to abuse power to retaliate against the Wilsons.
JW: The press was used and abused by the administration to deceive about rationale for war and then to launch campaign of disinformation against me by spewing lies about my family and me, Then Senior administration officials hid behind confidentiality of sources. Then, when that fell apart, the defense team put on the stand reporters for the sole purpose of humiliating them. Press should rethink efforts to protect sources engaged in disinformation campaigns.
Q: Re: Libby, one admin official is now convicted. Is this tip of iceberg?
JW: Case against Libby was US Government v. Libby. We are pursuing a civil case for three reasons: 1) to get the truth out, get discovery 2) the people whom the public trusted should not abuse that trust in exercise of a personal vendetta 3) use our case case to demonstrate that this type of behavior is unacceptable for future generations.
Q: What does your wife think about all this, and what are your plans for future?
JW: We want to move on. Valerie has a book in the works. We see this as an affirmation that we are a nation of laws. No man is above the law, Valerie has a book, hopefully it will get out soon. We are in discussions with the CIA, at a sensitive point right now. She was a classified officer, CIA argues she remains in some sense classified even though her cover was blown.
Q: Fitz said not not anticipate new charges, no one else to be charged. Since Libby was convicted of lying, if he had gone in to tell what is argued by the government to have been the truth when given the chance to do so, then no one would be charged with outing of your wife. Thoughts?
JW: No feelings about it. CIA referred to Justice because they felt law had been broken. I don't know the prosecutor, met him a couple of times. It may be a matter of how hard it is to prosecute under the statute in question. The fact they got conviction on 4 counts indicates seriousness of the matter. The prosecutor did say at the time of the indictment during the press conference that justice would be served by a conviction. So this could be like convicting Al Capone of tax evasion.
Q: Thoughts on issues of pardon for Mr. Liibby? Also, so we can have a dateline, what town are you speaking from?
JW: Washington, DC. I believe in the Constitution, which gives president pardon power.
Q (Fox "News"): How has the trial changed your lives and your relationship with wife over last 18 months?
JW: Our relationship is as strong or better. Wonderful children. Our older twins have been very supportive, and the younger twins at ages five, six, and seven during this time have given us many other things to worry about than this case.
Q: Please relay again transmission of your findings on trip to Niger. Where did it go and who knew about it? Evidence Cheney or Bush ever knew about it?
JW: See my book The Politics of Truth. I met when I got out there to Niger with the ambassador from the U. S. who said it was a false allegation. I checked with my own sources who had been in govt in Niger when purported sale took place, contacts she may not have had. I reported my findings to the ambassador and to her senior staff. Upon my return to the U. S. I spoke with a CIA to senior reports officer, who is paid to do these report for intel community. That's their job. The report from the reports officer is then circulated to the U. S. government. The redacted version of this gives findings throughout the US govt. The OVP is part of the U. S. us government. If they did not see it, why not?
The VP is member of the NSC and is responsible to understand the nuclear threat to the US in the hands of our enemies. Were they derelict? Were they just being disingenuous in saying they never received or looked for this document? In early November or December of 2002 Congress was informed by the intelligence community that it was the judgment of the intelligence community that the Brits had been exaggerating the Niger uranium story. It had then been removed from the president's Cincinnati speech. Files from Hadley say don't use this information. Then the national intelligence officer for Africa did a memo in response to a DOD request , which was then sent to the office of the President and to the OVP saying the claims of sales of African uranium to Iraq were baseless. That occurred just a couple of weeks before the president's SOTU address.
Q: You and Mrs. Wilson have been embroiled in this for 5 years. Do you have any personal feelings of vindication? Where were you when you heard the news of a conviction today?
JW: My wife called me and told me. I was in town, making arrangements to move. I was with friends at the Bombay Club. Valerie told me. This trial is between the U. S. government and senior officials in the U. S. govt. The justice department protects the Constitution. I'm pleased to see these institutions function. No man is above law. Libby had his day in court. A jury of his peers reached its conclusion. As American citizens who love our country, we're pleased to see these principles hold firm.
Personal vindication? We knew all along that what I said was true. This became abundantly clear during the trial, through the INR memo June 10, the redacted version of my trip report and also from Libby's testimony that confirmed that I was fully qualified to make the trip. The testimony makes clear the extent to which senior officials embarked on a disinformation campaign, the justification of which was to cover up lies, and the methodology was an unprecedented smear campaign.
MS: I want to point out that those involved in this are still in fact hiding. Cheney argues absolute immunity from suit. In the past, only the president has been considered to have absolute immunity from suit, not the VP. It's very interesting that on the one hand the U. S. government prosecuted Libby and on the other is trying to substitute in for all the defendants in the civil suit, arguing that they were only doing their job by giving information to reporters and should not be punished for doing their jobs. The Department of Justice has been playing both sides.
Q: Juror Dennis Collins, a former reporter for the Washington Post, said that among the jurors there was tremendous sympathy for Libby, that they wondered where is Rove, the other guys? He referred to Libby as the "fall guy." He bought in, to some extent, to the defense argument that Libby was a fall guy to protect Rove and others. Do you have sympathy for Libby or believe that he was the fall guy?
JW: I would hope that Libby and all others draw the right lesson, not to abuse public trust and engage in personal vendettas. But, they may take the lesson many of these people took from Watergate, which was, they should have destroyed the tapes. I hope they take the right lesson. i have said all along I believed Rove was involved up to his eyeballs. This was proved in the testimony regarding his leak of the information to Matt Cooper in uncontroverted testimony. I do not second guess the prosecution. The civil case will hopefully address these issues. I believe the VP and the president owe the country a much broader explanation. The said people involved in the leak would be fired. Rove is still on the payroll. I call on the president and vice president to release the transcripts of their interviews with the prosecutor to show people there is not a cloud over their offices.
I also learned today the president was sorry for Mr Libby and his family. I wish he would express his sorrow for my wife, whose career was destroyed and also express his regret to all the to service people fighting a war justified by lies.
Q: Who would you like to see play you and Valerie in the movie?
JW: I have no opinion; that's a decision to be made by others. I think this makes for a very interesting story, especially in light of the many generations of people who fought for for our country to protect the legacy handed down to us by our forefathers. We did not expect to be in the middle of this. I got in because I felt I had something to offer re: Iraq due to my experience there and also because it is an act of good citizenship to hold the government accountable. I would ask that Jack Black be in a role other than that of Joe Wilson
MS: Thank you all for your time Email us with further questions.
2:57 PM.



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Ok, now it’s 5PM and I’m letting myself sip a drink.
Cheers! And say hooray and thank you for the public service done by all involved, including the jury, and Joe and Valerie!
second!
Pach’s ice cubes:
*doink* *doink*
Pach,
Between the Libby verdict and the unprecedented congressional hearings on DOJ corruption, this may go down as one of the most important days in American legal history. And you are a major part of why it has become so important. Thanks!
And to Redd, Jane, Marcy, Jeralyn. LHP, egregious, TRex – Thanks everyone!
(First free minute I’ve had since this morning)
Indeed.
Hic!
Jane / Redd / Marcy, if you’re around — you have mail!
How telling that Faux asked the least newsy, most tabloid-ish question.
Thanks for this, Pach; enjoy your extremely well-deserved beverage.
OT but I can’t help it. We mustn’t miss Anne Colter sinking in the cold, cold Atlantic.
“Clink”
Very great day, indeed. Great work by the jury, a very responsible bunch of “ordinary citizens” indeed.
Here’s a factoid: this week is my one year front page FDL anniversary.
I’m happy!
Hi Five Tweety! Would it have made any difference if Libby testified? “He wouldn’t want to perjure himself again.”
Pach @ 10
We’re happy too!
Congrats Pach!
“I call on the president and vice president to release the transcripts of their interviews with the prosecutor to show people there is not a cloud over their offices.”
I would love to see that happen, although I think we have a better chance of seeing pigs fly.
CNN was just debating whether the Dems will overreach on this.
WTF? How is it at all possible to do so? We haven’t even got our full wingspan out, much less started stretching!
Congrats, Pachacutec! To many more anniversaries!
As for Wilson/Plame, I have a feeling their civil suit could prove far more illuminative and damaging than the Libby trial. I just hope the suit can go forward before long.
Raising a glass of Gin & Tonic to toast all of you at FDL.
CHEERS!
The CIA’s hold on Valerie’s book ought to shut the wingnuts up about her classified status. OK, maybe not the wingnuts, but perhaps the clueless media folks who read their talking points.
EPU from bottom of last thread:
AZ Matt says
March 6th, 2007 at 2:16 pm
Raw Story has Jane up
‘It’s a good day to be an American’ says blogger that covered Libby trial RAW STORY
Published: Tuesday March 6, 200
After four guilty verdicts were issued in the trial of I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, one blogger who helped cover the trial heavily at the blog FireDogLake said “It’s a good day to be an American, huh?”
The remark was made by Jane Hamsher who, with several partners and guest-bloggers, provided daily, nearly instantaneous coverage of the trial in an activity which seemed in some ways to redefine the free flow of information.
“To say it was tense in the courtroom as we were waiting for a verdict would be an understatement,” Hamsher also said. “My heart was pounding in my chest as it all started to become real for me, all we’d done, how far we’d come.”
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0306.html
I would ask that Jack Black be in a role other than that of Joe Wilson
LOL
Isikoff: “narrow case of perjury…”
Now they need to truly find out if any other CIA assets were damaged by this. My current “pet” is whether the anonymous star awarded to a CIA agent killed between February and October of 2003 is due to the outing of Brewster Jennings. It has never been answered, but alas, it has never been investigated by the press or Intelligence Committees.
“I’m just sittin here watching the wheels go round and round…I really love to watch them roll…” john lennon
WAY TO GO FIREDOGLAKE!!!!!!!!!!!
This thing isn’t over!!!
Isikoff = Narrow minded right wing shill.
Peterr @18:
The fact that she worked at the CIA in any capacity means that whatever she writes has to be vetted by the Agency before it can be published. This is the result of the Frank Snepp case and his book “Indecent Interval” about leaving CIA sources behind in Vietnam after the fall of Saigon. So, the fact that they have to look at her manuscript doesn’t prove anything about her status.
I had to go back and re-read it, and it sounds even better today. From the last two stanzas:
. . . The sneer is gone from Cheney’s lips, his teeth are clenched in hate,
He pounds with cruel vengeance his bat upon the plate.
And now Fitzgerald holds his tongue, and now he lets it go,
And now the air is shattered by the force of Cheney’s blow.
Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright,
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light;
And somewhere folks are laughing, and somewhere children shout,
But there is no joy for Irving: Mighty Cheney has struck out.
Sorry. That’s “Decent Interval.” My bad.
Barbara in DC @ 25
I agree, the CIA has to look at it. But they’ve done far more than just look: they’ve put a hold on it, because they believe it reveals too much about her and her work.
From Joe, above:
Tweety hasn’t sounded particularly enamoured with Scooter all day. Seems he didn’t like those viewer complaint calls. Now you tell us what you feel, Tweets.
Can we give G.Gordon Liddy’s ‘G’ to Scooter?
As in G.Scooter Libby?
*cough*
He’s not a beagle.
Matthews about Libby in response to: He was trained.
Boston1775 — I think that was Isikoff. It was so incredibly stupid.
FDL GANG, Thanks so much for the coverage. What’s the next assignment. I think LooseHead Prop might have some ideas. Thank you again.
I think it’s clear, and no longer a matter of any controversy or dispute, that this is a criminal administration.
Hi Jane. This is sweet. I’m drinking.
Vandehei in his new “role” outside TradMed, dressed all casual. (we’re not fooled, poolboi!)
Swopa, are you around?
fyi–Isikoff will be on cspan1 tomorrow morning @ 730.
it’s only 2.30 here in california, so I can’t start on the tequila yet. I can taste it though, in my mind’s eye.
Pach, The amazing thing is that so many Americans don’t know it.
Teddy — is the hair color different? I think it’s a lot darker.
Congratulations Pach!
Kos has a diary up with clips from commenter reactions at wingnut blogs to the Libby verdict. One nickname for Fitz keeps coming up – I’ve seen it at lgf before – “Fitzfong.”
Fitzfong? Anybody know how they came up with that?
CNN talking about FDL now
yeah fdl on blitzer right now….yeah
showing “Take a victory lap” thread on CNN, good work guys!
Grrrrr… This news junky has to go to a business dinner and won’t be home until nearly 10 pm. Thank GAWD for DVRs. At least I won’t miss KO.
OK, Iam going to try to finish this draft of the document I am working on and do something really unusal for me. Get home in time to wathc the news with Littleprop.
The last time we did that together was the Indictment presser.
She thought Fitz looked like a kind man.
Pat_AlexVA @ 37:
Depends… why do you ask? ;)
CNN actually showing FDL! Way to go FDL!!!!!
Good tidings to you and all of your kin… Merry Fitzmas everyone!
Oh and yes there will be fermented grapes in use
Another thank you to Joe and Valerie Wilson, Team Fitz, the FDLer’s and to all those committed to some Plame Justice.
This is about the war! Now please go get Cheney and Rove.
OMG! Major raves for FDL on Wolf Blitzer’s show on CNN just a moment ago.
I’ve been incommunicado in the bowels of a hospital all day when I learned of the conviction from, no shit, Libby Lewis, on NPR.
Heartiest congratulations, all! Score one for our side!
Missed CNN – Back to MSNBC
Oh, yeah, grapes are involved in my comments as well. (Thank you, Jesus.)
To all in the FDL community:
Although it’s been said may times, many ways
Merry Fitzmas to you
Ask John at C&L to get that CNN video up!!!
Marcy Marcy Marcy! Jane Jane Jane! Pach Pach Pach!
Thanks for all of your devotion and time.
fyi–Isikoff will be on cspan1 tomorrow morning @ 730.
Hey, angie!
Now THERE’S as good a reason to sleep late as any I’ve ever heard.
Angie
Isikoff is a kiss up! I watched him at the Libby trial I do not trust him or his reporting. In Marcys book she calls him one of Karls boys.
Go for it!
I just happened to take the day off today for other purposes, and was VERY pleased to find that I’d accidentally managed to stay home on Fitzmas!
Christy Christy Christy!
Don’t forget Christy Christy Christy!
We need to remember that the nuclear threat is what frightened what was left of Congress and the MSM into acquiescing in a PREEMPTIVE war. Joe Wilson debunked that. All the rest, including the birth of this amazing community at FDL, followed.
That war continues, one we cannot win and cannot leave. This is what is really at stake.
The Duke lacrosse case DA? Lame, lame, lame, though.
Swopa…
http://s169.photobucket.com/al…..G_0076.jpg
ABC local news in DC reports juror Denis Collins saying that there really wasn’t much disagreement on the jury on the charges; they were just very very methodical in reaching their decisions. And, for whatever it’s worth, he also said that they used 34 of the flip charts.
Let the tequila flow, there is a great reason to!!! However, I think Jack Black should play Scooter!!!
The verdict is bittersweet though because Joe and Valerie have done so much for our great country and they did not need to have their lives in turmoil.
http://s169.photobucket.com/al…..G_0075.jpg
Here’s a better one. Sorry, it was the only way to shut her up.
Any NYC area firepups out there?
*xyz has kindly organized a meeting tonight at 8 pm to celebrate this amazing day with a drink and to watch Joe Wilson.
Place: Walkers (on the advice of LHP) at 16 N Moore in Tribeca.
I have short red hair and *xyz will be wearing a tie with lions.
I was switching between MSNBC and CNN, as we waited for the verdict, and during defense and prosecution’s presser, and after. What is completely missing from the conversation about this whole thing is that Valerie Plame was working in counter-proliferation on WMDs and nukes in Iraq, Iran, and mid-east.
This narrative needs to be heard by the American public. The criminals in this White House outed an entire network, hindering our ability to gather intelligence in this region. As they beat the drums of war with Iran.
What’s up with that?
I have no respect for Isikoff, dear friends!
I mention it only because some FDL’ers might want to give him a call.
:)
God bless Firedoglake!
Congratulations for all the stellar work, and for the acknowledgements coming in from lots of outside sources that FDL was on its toes for every aspect of this trial.
Thanks for making this the wonderful place it is — the great community it is.
FDL was just given kudos on CNN…
You all ROCK!!!!!
I love Wilson’s response…hopes Jack Black plays someone else in the movie and not him…how bout that potty mouth Armitage-?
I love it he’s (they’ve) been paying attention and reading for certain….hi wilsons thanks for your noble service to our country and for telling the truth against a mighty gov’t.
Ed*ard Teller @ 43
I believe that “Fitzfong” is a reference to Dennis Fung, who was a forensics expert who testifed for the prosecution in the OJ criminal trial.
Barry Schreck — a truly great lawyer, despite his odious client in that case — cross-examined him brutally, with each knife-in-the-chest question ending with the refrain, “Is that your EXPERT opinion, Mr. Fung?” I always thought that Schreck, not Johnny Cochran, won the acquittal for OJ.
BTW, leave it to the freepers to get Fung’s name wrong. I suppose they think all Chinese names sound alike….
I find it particularly telling that my forsythia and first daffodil bloomed today.
Hope Springs Eternal (Eureka Springs too)
FDL & Fitz
ding
Christy, LHP, EW and/or any of the many intellects here: Something has been bugging me since the start of the trial. There was never any attempt that I saw at an affirmative defense against the perjury counts on the issue of materiality. I have represented a couple of perjury defendants and, once we established that there really were two conflicting statements on the record, the very next place I looked was for a materiality (lack of) defense. I want to hypothesize that the reason there was no such defense formally attempted (at least that I saw) is that it would require demonstrating that Plame was not covert/covered by the IIPA and, as most of us recognize, she indeed was. Thoughts?
List of advertisers who have dropped Ann Coulter so far:
AT&T/Cingular (Many thanks to Brad Mays in AT&T PR for a fast response)
Dollar Rent-A-Car
SmileTrain.org (Many thanks to SmileTrain Sr. Marketing Mgr. Priscilla Ma for her fast response. If you have a few spare bucks, consider sending some to this great organization that provides surgery and health care assistance for kids born with cleft palates).
University of Phoenix (Another swift responder. Thanks to all the management folks at U of P who quickly reacted).
Sallie Mae
LasikPlus
Power Chord Academy
Gulf Shores.com/Alabama Gulf Coast Convention and Visitors Bureau (Kudos to Shelley Piraino at AGCCVB for a timely and appreciated response)
Ulta.com
Yellow Pages.com
Net Bank (Special thanks to Matt Shepherd at NetBank, who was the very first to respond to these concerns, and he responded on a Sunday to boot!)
Verizon Communications (Special thanks to Verizon’s James Gerace and others who reacted so quickly and efficiently).
Washington Mutual (Kudos to Iris Glaze in Investor Relations for her quick action).
Those from VolvoDrivingLiberal’s diary at Kos, where you can find out how to help get Coulter into more of what she deserves.
Sorry I keep trying to post this comment but it’s always on the thread that’s already done, arghh. But I so need to say it so bear with me.
I just arrived home from the school where I worked today in total isolation from any news reports except for the instant my cell phone message light began blinking at the time the verdict was announced!
What an amazing moment in history!!! And now I have rushed home to read the blog! *not finished yet*
Thank you so much to Jane Marcy, Swopa, Christy, TRex, LHP and anyone else at FDL I may be forgetting in my delirium at the moment. I had never been to a blog before this trial but pressing the pay button last week was the best most gratifying thing I have done for the First Ammendment in a very long time.
It has been an education that I credit also to the brilliant people who comment (and I can assure you I am not one of them) especially Rayne, Mason, EvilDrPurma, Teddysanfran, AZMatt, Helen, Ed*ardTellar, Suzanne and not but last but never least the amazing Litigatormom! Thank you and my cat thanks you!!!!!! GO TEAM FDL AND GO TEAM FITZ!! *opens champagne* and would love to share with all!!! Hugs!!!
Keep an eye peeled for the reportors and then tellthem you are with the Firedoglake Network which is THE cutting edge place for new journalism. Maybe they will buy you a beer and try to hand you a resume
Woodhall,
FYI – I just emailed you because something at work came up that is going to prevent me from having a life tonight (and probably for the next few days).
I apologize for any inconvenience and I encourage other FDL folks to celebrate at Walkers with Woodhall!
Also, please note that there is a YearlyKos fundraiser with Marcy Wheeler this Saturday!
I hope to see a lot of other FDL folks there.
It is from 6-9pm at The Tank @ C:U – 279 Church Street
Here’s a link for more info:
http://www.yearlykosconvention.org/node/62
oh sorry and Pat AlexVA and Peterr!!!
That’s what I was afraid of, Pat_AlexVA. I’d rather see one of the poodles wearing it. :)
If I couldn’t be in D.C. for Fitzmas, at least my jacket was. Thanks for the reminder that I left the scarf behind, too.
Whoops, poor *xyz just emailed me and his
evilboss just slammed him with a load of work and he won’t be getting out of work tonight until way too late. If I hear from anyone else I would still love to meet up, but won’t be there unless I hear from someone…:-(I love Wilson’s response…hopes Jack Black plays someone else in the movie and not him…how bout that potty mouth Armitage-?
my too sense –
Armitage is not a bad idea. Neither one of them has any discernible neck.
And Woodhall!!! *will stop now*
Pach, your comments in the weeks before the verdict, on the open source journalism finally hitting the big time, against all the dinosaur era arguments posited against blogging without editors by the MSM, are also a shining example of the sea change in journalism exemplified by the FDL coverage.
I want you to know that tonight in a small bar in a small town in germany, the entire bar lifted its glasses to liveblogging against the MSM spin. Too bad that jeffinberlin was not there. But i was, and it was gaenze haut (goose bumps.)
The decision by the (unknown in germany) jury of peers was celebrated as a chance to rehabilitate amurka. Though they didn’t know that the lion’s share of work is still to be done.
But the geeks in the bar somehow knew that some kind of web history was also being made.
(Full Disclaimer: one night about three weeks ago, i walked into the bar. The owner said to me, so you’re the crazy horse on firedoglake. somehow, that shows it’s not just in amurka that people are beginning to understand the new democracy of the web.)
Pach, Prost!
CNN just put up FDL and Jane’s “Victory Lap” thread, and Marcy’s. Wow! what a splash. DalyKos also made it.
FDL on prime time!
I just poured myself a glass of Italian Cabernet, after buying 2 copies of Marcy’s book (one as a gift to one of my sisters, who used to be a Republican until about 2000).
Mrs. K8 – Two of your friends here Valley Girl and RBG have asked me to drop you a line in an email. I think they have finally forwarded your contact info to me, but I have been swamped the last two days; I will try to get something out to you within the next 24 hours.
Or this whole thing was an elaborate charade on the defense’s part and Scooter intended to be convicted all along to protect Cheney.The defnse was screwy, and Ted Wells is a very smart man and an able lawyer, so why the cuckoo defense?
Crazy Horse @ 90
Prost!
Crazy Horse: tears, here.
Heh. I must be deep in my cups!
Hah! That made me laugh out loud.
So droll!
Back to work for me. Good job. Enjoy Fitzmas! Don’t drive drunk.
Tweety playing Juror Collins quote: “Libby was tasked by the Vice President.”
Eureka Springs –
One of the things we miss the most living in the Arizona desert is the sight of FORSYTHIAS. I’m so jealous.
And daffodils are my very favoritest flower (or at least right up there with gladiolas) — they are also not to be found here except for potted plants indoors at the homes of people who (unlike myself) have a real green thumb.
and xyz, very sorry to hear about boss *will definitely stop now, champagne already going to head* I am so hoping everyone on Team FDL will celebrate and do any lawyers have speculation on how Team Fitz will Celebrate?? Beer?? Marcy and Jane with beers to show solidarity??
Bob Shrum: This may be a case where the coverup DOES pay.
bmaz @ 81:
I think there was a feeble attempt at establishing lack of materiality when Wells tried to argue in his opening that at the time Scoots was questioned by the FBI and the GJ, he thought that the only leak to reporters under investigation was the leak to Novak. Wells’ logic went: since Scoots knew he wasn’t Novak’s source, his lies about talking to Cooper and Judy Judy Judy and Ari F. were not material, because Scoots himself didn’t think he was lying about the crime under investigation.
There are two problems with Wells’ argument. First, materiality isn’t subjective; in other words, its not for the accused perjurer to decide whether its safe for him to lie about a matter that HE thinks is collateral.
Second, Fitz pretty much demolished that argument with each witness who had been involved in the production of White House documents, each of whom testified that they understood that the investigation was looking at ALL Administration contacts with the press about Plame’s status. Wells and Jeffress tried to resurrect their materiality argument with a few witnesses, but gave up at some point.
The facts will come out on this, either through the civil suit or Congress or both. It may take a while, but I think the important stuff will come out.
How about some interviews by the FDLers’ with with Victoria Toensing, Bob “groupthink” Woodward, Byron York about the verdict. “The much to do about nothing” crowd. The ones who did everything they could to undermine the investigation and trial
Swopa Swopa Swopa!
And all the mods and front pagers!
oh, and Pachacutec!!!!!!
Tweety hammering Ed Rogers about “justice wasn’t done” — how much was your contribution to Scooter’s defense?
“If information comes to light or new information comes to us that would warrant us taking some action, we’ll, of course, do that,” – Patrick Fitzgerald, a man who doesn’t have a record of giving up when he smells corruption.” Quote of the day from Andrew Sullivan’s site
“3) use our case case to demonstrate that this type of behavior is unacceptable for future generations.”
Thank you, Mr. and Mrs. Wilson, especially for this.
Because of your courage and persistence, your twins and my granddaughter may someday be able to look back at these times and know the truth that we can only suspect.
The Patterson Family
pseudonymous @ #66 writes (and asks):
i think i’ve figured it out:
Fitzgerald PLUS Michael Nifong (Nifong is the Durham County DA who went after the DUKE LACROSSE TEAM).
ergo,
Fitzfong.
Ed Rogers is now arguing the “no underlying crime” and “not material” now on Tweety. “Ah don’t beleeve that Scooter Libby would lye to innyone. He’s not a partisan hack. He’s a straight arrow.”
Bob Shrum: “Who is now a convicted felon.”
Ed Rogers: “Ah will kintribute agin [to the Scoots difinse fund].
oh i love it-
on npr at 5:47 on all things considered, wish i had a link
dan gare-pronounced garay, had a harsh commentary about scooter, him being a shark, him working as an under secretary of defense before cheney, under wolfawitz………commentary worth digging for, was a conservative repug commentary dissin’ scooter, oh my what is it coming to?
wish i could provide a link, for all of you that like preciseness, like me, try to find it, was like a dagger into dracula………..how soothing to the soul, his own, daggin’ him……….what now? still waitin’ for all of those rep and senator closet truth-lovers to come out of the closet………
Rogers makes me throw up.
new thread gang … Egregious and Emptywheel upstairs!
re. Fitzfong:
I know, I know, I know! (something to contribute to these very smart people). Definitely a reference to prosecutor Nifong in Duke lacrosse case. The rightwing haaaaaates him. As if he wasn’t supposed to procede in this case.
But psuedo.in nc beat me to it. (I’m also in NC).
Chin Chin to:
Jane – ding
Christy – ding
Marcy – ding
Pach – ding
Swopa – ding
EriPoste – ding
Jeralyn – ding
LHP – ding
Scarecrow – ding
RGB and assorted other unknown mods – ding
egregious – ding
Pat_AlexVA – ding
And all the amazingly helpful lawyerly commenters – ding
Letters to Congress?
And Al Capone was only convicted of a white collar crime, tax evasion.
There’s a line uttered by a stabbed character in one Shakespeare’s plays about his soon-to-be fatal wound. It goes something roughly like “It is not deep nor wide, but ’twill do its purpose”. Isikoff should learn some more Shakespeare.
Pachacutec – Happy Anniversary!! One year of FDL posting. Many, many more please.
Mrs K8 – Will cut a special bunch of both flowers with you in mind…) (washing every vase in the house in preparation today)
LHP@94 – I agree. If I didn’t know the reputation of Wells from following the Espy and Torricelli cases pretty closely, I would wonder about incompetent representation of Libby. I will be honest, if this is what Wells had in mind, why did he put on any defense witnesses? If this performance was any kind of plan, I would have put on no one and BSd the jury that it was further evidence that the prosecution failed to meet their burden. I would also have a countersigned letter to Libby in my file explaining that I was not responsible for the feeble defense.
I just popped my bottle of Cliquot — here’s to JANE, CHRISTY, MARCY, SWOPA, PACH, LHD, eg, et al!!!!! To the Ladies of Lake!
bmaz –
Dear Firepup Friend! I hope you also got the message that I wasn’t trying to hurry you up.
You are such a thoughtful person! I look forward to hearing from you.
p.s. Just a quick question for you or any other legal type who might want to give a quick response:
We are supposedly getting our car back this Friday. It seems that we’ll probably need to pay for the rental car ourselves for now on our credit card. That doesn’t hurt us in whatever chance we have for getting the hundreds and hundreds of dollars reimbursed for this rental, does it? Like “possession is 9/10 of the law” — there isn’t some motto like “well, you PAID for it, suckers!” Is there?
Thanks in advance to you or anyone who can briefly calm my worry here.
I just want to leave a comment that Firedoglake.com, paraphrasing the immortal words of Winston Churchill:
You guys did an outstanding job!
And to Former Amb. and Mrs Wilson: deepest thanks to you both for your service to this nation!
Ed Rogers (on Tweety now) lives in an 18,000 square foot mansion in McLean, Virginia
Woodhall Hollow — I’ll try to pop by for a snort circa 9:00. You’ll recognize me as the guy who’d look devilishly handsome if he lost 30 pounds.
You earned your cups Pach, as well as the whole team. Go Deep!
(Aside: when the servers went kaput, i plugged the digital TV USB thing into the USB port, and discovered the Fitz gaggle on Euro CNN. Not twenty seconds later, i watched Jane dancing camera right to left behind the rugby player. i thought, conservatively, how appropriate.)
In FDL honor, i will no drink a snort or two of Caol Ila Dfistiller’s Edition, of which there are only 400 some bottles in the world! Fired o’Glakes to the rescue!
TSF – Good Gawd, that is over the top! nice catch.
Litigator Mom@103 – Well if the fleeting language you referenced is a materiality defense, it is the most pathetically lame one I have ever seen. You have to be specific and detaile in making a materiality defense or it will go right through the juror’s ears. It really is a form of affirmative defense and should be plead with specificity.
Ralphbon, *xyz’s boss is making him work until the wee hours tonight, so it looks like we are not on (unless we can round up more) — as I am not up for sitting in a bar alone!
At any rate, if there are any NYC firepups who are interested, the tentative plan is to meet at Walkers at 16 N Moore street in tribeca at 8 pm to celebrate and watch Joe Wilson on TV.
I’ll be there at 8 if I am sure I am not going to hang out alone ;-).
Woodhall: Wouldn’t be able to come before 9:00. I’ll assume it’s off unless others sign on in the next hour or so.
Wilson said, “Convicting him of perjury was like convicting Al Capone of tax evasion or Alger Hiss of perjury. It doesn’t mean they were not guilty of other crimes.”
Word up, people!!!!!!!!! In the immortal words of L. Paul Bremer, “We Got Him!”
or at least we got one of ‘em, anyway.
Valerie & Joe – never have so many been so happy for a couple!
Two questions for the firepup legal eagles:
Will the court let Libby dress in a suit when he is called to testify at the Plame/Wilson civil trial?
Is their trial coming up this summer?
Thread Theorist @ 119
Issikoff was a reporter at the Washington Star. A shade right of the Washington Times.
omg
they put richard ben-veniste opposite
victoria t. on the news hour to discuss the verdict tonite!
ben-veniste = his usual calm, authoritative, informed, experienced, (watergate, sept 11th hearings), demeanor – smiling with confidence
vicky = clearly uncomfortable, (wouldnt look at b-v), uninformed, grasping at straws, defensive, frowning, expressionless & then smiling through clenched teeth. even the items she listed as grounds for appeal were pathetic!
when she tried to allude to fitz having a political motive, (painting herself into a corner), she quickly had to back away. it was pretty funny actually.
i thought ben-veniste was one of the shinning stars of the sept 11th hearings (saw all of them – gavel to gavel), – dont mess w/ him vicky!
to p. fitzgerald – thank you for all you & your staff has done these past, (almost), 4 yrs. i hope you take a bit of a vacation now. you’ve earned it.
thanks again to all at fdl – you too have earned a place in american history!
and take good care jane, my thoughts will be with you, (not too far), here in the frozen northeast
I went out and bought a $240 bottle of Cognac to celebrate the verdict. Remy Extra sho nuff tastes good tonight.
This is better than the Niners winning the Super Bowl.
bring on the civil trial
Thank you Valerie, thank you Joe, thank you all of FDL. I can’t help remembering being there on August 21, 2003, when something like 1400 Seattlites attended the meeting in which Ambassador Wilson suggested that Karl Rove should be frogmarched out of the White House in handcuffs. It’s certainly been a long and winding road, and a great many people have walked that road along with the Wilsons, FDL, and the blogs, the new Fifth Estate. And it aint over yet!
Greetings and congratulations on a brief shining moment of justice. I’ve been lurking here for a bit during the Libby trial. You guys rock!
Yes, Educated Plaintiff (#137) I caught the exchange on newshour. Ugh. B-V was great at holding his composure during vicki’s verbal fart. “It was more a case of he said-they said” when she was trying to argue a lack of collaborative evidence. Hey, don’t forget all the written collaboration! Sheesh.
Jurors did a great job but can’t help but wonder if their “sympathy” is a self-protective shield against social backlash. I hope they also feel some sympathy for the Wilsons.
I vote for Jack Black to take on either Tim Russert (Mr. Potatohead) or Dick Cheney’s role. Will Ferrell as W of course. Molly Shannon as Judy? Leonardo as Joe Wilson?
I’m really really new here. Can’t for the life of me figure out who “Tweety” is. Ugh, ignorance exposed is not a pretty sight.
Thank you for the great work, FDL!!