
The jury has now deliberated nine days. Best as I can reestablish with my PACER password glued to my computer at home, here are the breadcrumbs the jury has left for us to follow its trail.
Wenesday, February 21, PM
[Jury asks for easel, masking tape, and post-its. Rayne and Marcy sigh in office supply giddiness.]
Thursday, February 22, AM
May we please get any one of the documents where there are pictures of the witnesses.
Tuesday, February 27, 4:30 PM
We would like clarification on the charge as stated under Count 3 specifically:
Page 74 of the jury instructions, "Count three of the indictment alleges that Mr. Libby falsely told the FBI on October 14 or November 26, 2003, that during a conversation with M. Cooper of Time Magazine on July 12, 2003, Mr. Libby told Mr. Cooper that reporters were telling the administration that Mr. Wilson's wife worked for the CIA but that Mr. Libby did not know of this was true." (i.e., is the charge that the statement was made or about the content of the statement itself)
Judge's note at the bottom, sent on Wednesday morning — I am not exactly certain what you are asking me. Can you please clarify your question?
Wednesday, February 28, 10:45 AM
Psyche! After further discussion, we are clear on what we need to do. No further clarification needed. Thank you. We apologize.
Wednesday, February 28, 3:45
We would like another big Post-it pad. The large one for the easel. [Cue sighs from Marcy and Rayne; cue grumbling from the office supply agnostics.]
Thursday, March 1, 4:00 PM
[The jury requests a dictionary and requests to be let go the following day (Friday) at 2PM. Judge Walton says no to the dictionary but yes to the early dismissal.]
Friday, March 2, 10:30 AM 2:00 PM
We would like clarification of the term "reasonable doubt." Specifically, is it necessary for the Government to present evidence that it is not humanly possible for someone not to recall an event in order to find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
Friday, March 2, 2:00 PM
As Count 1 statement 3 (pages 63 & 64) do not contain quotes, are we supposed to evaluate the entire Libby transcripts (testimony) or would the court direct us to specific pages/lines.
Thank you.
Monday, March 5, 4:05?
[3 questions, all relating to Count 3. The first two appear to relate to the timing of the statements. The third relates to whether the jurors can use evidence from the grand jury testimony in their consideration of whether Libby lied in his FBI interviews on October 14 and/or November 26]
Now, obviously, they've barely let me in the court room, much less the jury room, so what I'm going to say is pure conjecture. But this sure seems like a vulture flying in slowly tightening and accelerating circles over its prey.
On days one (a half day), two, three, and four, the jury progressed methodically, with all the order you might find in a corporate retreat. Late on Tuesday, day five, the jury hit its first stumbling block--a seemingly simplistic confusion over whether the charge related to Libby lying to journalists--or to the FBI--on count three, the false statements charge alleging Libby lied about his conversation with Matt Cooper. After Walton asks for clarification the following morning (day six), the jury decides they can answer this on their own. The jury appears to regain steam by later that day--at least, they've gone through their first flip chart. Then, on day seven, they seem to hit another stumbling block. They ask for a dictionary (and an early Friday). The jury, observers guess, has hit a stumbling block on a legal definition, perhaps on a regular doozy like reasonable doubt. And sure enough, early the next morning they ask for clarification on reasonable doubt--though they hold that request until the afternoon, as if they continued to try to work it through themselves. Also on day eight, they ask for clarification on the part of the obstruction relating to the Cooper charge.
Note, this is a different charge than the one they previously asked about (Count Three, false statement), but as I explained in a post on this question, it seems to suggest different thinking about the two Cooper charges (the false statement and the perjury).
Now, if you recall back in closing statements, Zeidenberg made a really great attack on Team Libby's assertion that the Cooper charge amounted to just a few words. Zeidenberg said:
You remember COoper said at end of conversation. He said What have you heard about Wilson's wife sending him on the trip. Libby's response, "yeah, I've heard about that." Wells suggested that differences between LIbby's version and Cooper's version, is just difference between a few words. Cooper said, I heard that too. And Libby said, I heard that too, but I don't know if it's true? But is that the evidence in the case. Do you remember what Libby ACTUALLY said what occurred in that conversation? I'd like to play portion of what Libby said he said to Cooper.
Libby, then Cooper said, why did Wilson say it?
[Libby's GJ tape: I would have thought, off the record, that CIA wouldn't tell, who asked about it. Conversation VP has is supposed to be confidential. They'd have said that CIA tried to do it. I wouldn't have thought that he heard this, but if it's possible he heard something unofficially, it was wrong. In that context, I said, off the record, reporters telling us that Amb Wilson's wife works at CIA. I don't know if true. But if it's true, it may explain why Wilson got some bad information at agency.]
By anybody's count, that is not a few words. By any account, that is not what Cooper said Libby said. He never told Cooper, I don't know if it's true. It's made up, made up out of whole cloth. Ladies and gentleman, Cooper could never have taked as confirmation the things Libby had told him. Cooper took this as confirmation. How could he have taken it as confirmation?
Basically, Zeidenberg responded to this "just a few words" charge by demonstrating that Libby babbled on and on and on during his grand jury testimony. Jeffress responded by showing that the False statements charge really only alleges that Libby said a few words.
For the sake of closing arguments--and for the sake of the Cooper charges generally--this seems to be gamesmanship.
But not for the obstruction charge, where this appears. The jury seems to be asking whether they should take the allegation in the Cooper false statement charge, which says...
Mr. Libby told Mr. Cooper that reporters were telling the administration that Mr. Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, but that Mr. Libby did not know if this was true.
...or whether they should take the allegation in the Cooper perjury charge, which includes multiple sections of Libby's babblings.
This suggests to me that the jury is approaching the two Cooper charges differently. It suggests Zeidenberg's argument may have done the trick, by pointing out Libby's endless babblings in the grand jury charge, he may have convinced the jury that there would be no way to confuse what Cooper said Libby said--"I heard that too"--with paragraphs and paragraphs of babblings.
Effectively, by ordering the jury to refer to the entirety of the grand jury testimony this morning, Judge Walton basically told them the allegations made in the perjury charge--the paragraphs and paragraphs of babbling--were available for this charge.
But that didn't answer the questions about the Cooper charges. Late in the afternoon on day nine, the jurors asked three more questions about the charges. We have not yet seen the questions, but it seems that the jury implied it believed Libby had lied about the Cooper charge in one--but perhaps not both--of his FBI interviews. We await indication whether they all believe he lied in the same interview--but Judge Walton seems inclined to instruct them that a lie in one of his interviews was sufficient to find Libby guilty.
But that's not enough, it seems, for them to convict on the false statements charge. They also asked if they could use the grand jury testimony to support their consideration of the false statements charge. Again, this seems to mirror their earlier confusion about whether they should consider the obstruction charge using all the babblings of the grand jury testimony, or only the sparse statements alleged in the false statements charge. More and more evidence seems to suggest that Zeidenberg convinced them with that the babblings in the grand jury testimony could not be equated with Cooper's version of the statement. Mind you, I'm certain that Walton will instruct them that the can only use the babblings in an ancillary consideration of the false statements charge, if at all. But it's as if they're saying, "well, if we're convinced he lied in March about his Cooper conversation, is it really possible he told the truth in October and November."
Now, by all accounts, Count 3 is the weakest charge. It basically pits Libby's testimony against Cooper's and, to a lesser degree, Cathie Martin's. Whereas all the other charges involve either more substantive differences between Cooper's and Libby's testimony, or many more witnesses. Which would seem to suggest that they're honing down on the last charge, trying to come to agreement over the fifth charge.
Of course, we don't know that. They may have perceived the Cooper charges to be easier to work with. They may be moving back and forth between all the Cooper charges first, before they get to the Russert charge. The biggest piece of evidence supporting this notion is that they asked a question about the obstruction charge at a time when they should have been convinced of Libby's guilt on Count 4. After all, simply a conviction on Count 4 might be enough to convict on Count 1. And if they had already decided on the seemingly easier Russert charges (Counts 2 and 4), then they wouldn't need to consider the Cooper allegations in the obstruction charge that closely. Remember, though, while a guilty verdict on one out of the two perjury charges is sufficient to a guilty verdict on the obstruction charge, it does not necessitate an obstruction charge. The jury may feel more confident convicting for the stronger charge of obstruction if they can show that Libby made a coherent attempt to cover-up any evidence to support an IIPA charge, rather than just making up a pathetic, isolated, story about Russert.
But to me it seems much more likely that they've almost honed in on their prey. Accelerating circles, nearly ready to pounce.
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Fitz!
I think today they’ll come out with something.
Why can’t anyone interview that juror who left?
Back by popular demand—
Court weather for today:
Current temp 19F
High of 34F, winds 20-30mph.
Tomorrow a tad warmer, inch of snow.
Bundle up folks!
Since we are one day closer to the verdict I beleive we are closer to a verdict. ;>)
Go EW, Go!!!!!!!!!
Thanks, Marcy. I haven’t been this excited to read a note since the girl sitting in front of me in fifth grade ostentatiously dropped one by my desk.
Fitzmas in March! Something to warm the heart on a cold day.
Get any sleep Marcy?
Morning all! Egregious, are you on-site today?
Walter Reed Veteran Neglect Time Line in draft form at oldamericancentury.org.
Taylor Marsh has the video of Senator Webb at Hardball re Walter Reed. Link on late nite near bottom. Do we have edit turned off?
Georgesimian @ 2
Simple answer: Walton apparently instructed her not to speak to the media.
In-depth answer: As curious as we all are about what’s going on inside that sealed room, the last thing we’d want is a media circus (or rather, even more of a media circus than we already have) that might serve to affect the deliberations. Scooter Libby’s fate now rests in the hands of a jury of his peers. That’s a somewhat unsettling prospect for most of us, since we were about ready to convict the guy solely on the basis of the indictment, but I assure you, it’s even more unsettling for Scooter.
Excellent treatment, Marcy. I always appreciate your interpretation.
I do believe I see the vultures now.
good morning! coffee’s ready… do the officers of the court have their handcuffs at the ready?
and, is anyone wearing their lucky shoes today?
RevDeb @ 6
Yup! the Fitzmas Bunny is coming to town for all the bad little boys and girls with many decorated Fitzmas colored indictment eggs.
Twisted Martini @ 8
I think Jane and Marcy have it covered today.
It’s sort of like church, where I am the third emergency backup organist. Standing by on-call in the suburbs. But I did pick out a lovely outfit just in case.
Ooooh, coffee!
What’s on the fashion menu, today?
BurkeDem @ 15
something in really awful orange?
I went out this morning to scatter some cracked corn for the dove and pick some flowers for my kitchen table, and I noticed at least five buzzards circling over the hills behind my house. By the time I came inside, they had moved to the skies over the field across the road. They’re hunting…
Perhaps they’ll make their way to DC by this afternoon?
OldCoastie @ 15
Fingers and toes crossed!!
OldCoastie @ 12
Wearing my ugg boots. Not as sexy as Janes but it’s cold as all get out here this morning… also wearing my gold shamrock. Waiting for the verdict. FITZ!
Just have to add; this is my second zed! Woo hoo!
It’s looking like the firing of the US Attys could become as much fun as this has been. Lots and lots of people trying to game the system. More than enough to keep FireDogs busy for the foreseeable future.
We are quite capable of multi-tasking.
Sen Webb video on Hardball.
I want the jury to say, “Guilty as SIN!”
I like that after all that smiling and posing for the cameras, Scooter stopped grinning yesterday…
Another day of my productivity shot to hell.
RevDeb@21
Yes, we are.
Has the system finally reached its breaking point? I should hope so. How much abuse can it take?
epu’d from previous thread
Thanks for the link, egregious.
We need many more like Jim Webb. As the other Dems continue to disappoint, Jim Webb continues to impress.
Marcy is brilliant, and I hope she’s right. I keep hoping that the jury of 11 can be as capable as our one Marcy.
joy for me for now
I have to admit, I am now much more optimistic bouat the outcome then I have been the past few days
it seems to me that if they got past charges 1 and 2 then there really isn’t a holdout at all, there might actually be legitimate concerns over the charge they are having trouble with
cool
this of course suppses they didn’t skip right to the charge they all wanted to approach first
in any event, it looks to me lke there is movement and I think we might get something in today or tomorrow
I’m gonna get fired thanx to firedog lake
is the judge allwoed to poll the jury or get any indication where they are?
oooh, morning latte w/ Emptywheel and the Firepups - another $25.07 coming your way. Thank you so much for all of your contributions Marcy !
it’s probably a good thing I can’t get fdl at work, but yesterday was agony! and, while I knew things were happening, not one word on any other site…
RevDeb @ 21
It goes back much durther than the recnet mass firings. There is a lovely scandal there that goes back into the first Shrubya admin.
Keep diggin’ Pups
perris @ 29
According to the instructions, the jury can’t give any indication of the numbers prior to delivering the verdict.
hey - thanks much for the detailed coverage. much appreciated. you guys exemplify what’s best about the blogosphere.
btw vultures eat things that are already dead. they are “nature’s clean-up crew.”
OldCoastie @ 31
I can get FDL at work and boy am I not getting anything done!
egregious @
14
Well, you’re certainly WELCOME to join us if you want. More the merrier. I wish we knew whether it was going to be today or tomorrow (hopefully) so you could make sure you were here.
looseheadprop @ 32
Is there some reason you are keeping it a secret?
Marcy, your depth of knowledge and uncanny recall never cease to amaze me.
However, a couple things to remember. They don’t have the trial transcripts in there (which makes it a little weird that they haven’t asked for readbacks).
So, unless somebady took really fabulous notes I doubt thay have ccess to anything of the level of deetail that you have in your liveblogging posts.
I would be amzed if they were performing an analysis of the kind you are capable of. No matter how smart or well educated, they don’t have the raw materials to work with.
They do have the GJ transcripts IIRC. Which may explain why they are focused on them
I take it the notes did not get put up on Pacer overnight? Jeralyn had said she was going to poke her nose on there periodically in case they did …
Marcy—thanks for the kind invitation. Will need to spend today on my charity stuff, life as we knew it before the elections and trial.
looseheadprop—I assume you mean [?Black] the US Attorney who was fired for actually investigating the Marianas. Surprised that hasn’t made it into the media yet. If there is yet -another- case then at least give us a wee hint.
Good Morning Prof Prop -
right now I am thinking of the TX redistricting issue wherein some concientious DOJ ers said it failed to meet the legally required critera and their appointed supervisors quashed that and went on to approve it
brain is quite fuzzy but I recall there were at least two other similar incidents - is this what you are talking about ?
PSA - Christy’s Cinnamon Rolls comin’ in 30 min
TJ @ 37
It’s not my story to tell. And the people who have chosen to go quietly have a right to determine how to run their own careers. It’s not fair to expose things said in freindship.
However, if it happened here, I’m sure it happened elsewhere.
And at least one member of the Senate Judiciary COmmittee knows and if he is not acting on that information, I don’t know why.
looseheadprop @ 38
Damn. You mean they’re don’t even have my liveblog?
No–you raise a good point. But remember–the dispute between Zeidenberg and Wells on the Cooper stuff was almost the last thing they heard (before Fitz’ use of Libby as proof that hte “I heard that too” came at the end of the conversation). So it may have stuck, at least enough to point them to these babblings in teh GJ transcript.
egregious @ 40
That was one
looseheadprop @ 38
not to mention her delightful wit!
Christy, email headed your way. Could be real important.
Detective Egregious on the case ! good one, and if I recall, didn’t some little Rove minion lose her job over talking about that as well ?
lhp at 44 That was one
Ooooh, there IS another one….
emptywheel @ 43
You could be right. However, I did not notice anyone on the jury taking notes during that. So, unless they have MUCH better recall than I do (I forgot all about that until I read your post this AM) I don’t see how they could drill down that far.
Remember, we have had 2 years to slowly load this information into the hard drive between our ears. The jury had less than amonth to absorb a huge information dump. No matter how hard they tried to concentrate. I just don’t know if it stuck with the kind of detail we can bring to our discussions
looseheadprop @
42
TJ @ 37
looseheadprop @ 32
RevDeb @ 21
Well, sad I have to ask but would that be a Democrat or a republican Senate Judiciary Committee member?
I think today is a very bad day for the criminals in control of our country.
Sorry I won’t be at my computer all day. Yesterday took a long time just to go through the posts without even being able to read all the comments. Talk about a junkie. I am hopped up.
Ack! Too many moving parts! I can’t keep track of it all. I need a flow chart, a venn diagram, a flip chart, some post-its. Can someone please make some visual, clickable summary of the charges in boxes with their corresponding allegations and dates and testimony so the text makes more sense?
Boston Globe August 8, 2005. So the media did cover the Black/Marianas firing, briefly.
Wonder why the story stopped there? Who quashed the investigation? Who should have looked into it and didn’t etc.
I’ll stop w all the off-topic stuff as soon as court begins.
Sticking with stuff that is public knowledge: WTF is up with turning over the power to nominatie USA’s in California to a guy who NOT elected to anything, but merely a major fundraiser.
For years and years it was the Senators from a given state that did the nominationsfor both USA’s and federal judges. Then Shrub comes along and if there are no Rep Senators in a give state, Like NY, he says he is gonna give the power to the Gov.
Well Pataki was a little bit of a gentleman and worked out a deal with Schumer and CLinton whereby they got one out of every (I think) 4.
In Illinois, they give he power to Denny Hassert. When Pat’s 4 year term was expiring (he is now a holdover), Hassert was talking to the press about his short list of replacements.
In California, I guess they don’t trust the terminator despite the fact that he ws elected on the Republican line and gave the power to a fundraiser.
This, oh pups, is all in the public sphere already. And anything else not in the public realm, tha I know about, is already known to a Senator on the judiciary committee with enough experience and know how to act on it.
Gary @ 50
Dem
egregious @ 53
Don’t stop, egregious. We need some diversion before the main event. Besides, it’s always right to shine light on corruption.
portia.vz @ 52
Actually team Fitz had a couple of very good charts that really did make things crystal clear. I’m not sure if they went into the jury room though
Marcy, if you’re optimistic, that’s good enough for me!
It does sound as though the denouement is near. Will hang on every word but “refresh” sparingly. Good luck! Hope you and Jane can get home soon.
Man, Marcy I hope you are right. I have a lawywer friend and he keeps cautioning me that perjury charges are very hard to prove …
So we wait and hope. It is so much easier doing that with all of you, though.
While the firing of U.S. attorneys for purely political reasons is appalling, I have trouble seeing how it’s prosecutable. Don’t you need a direct link to an ongoing case? And even then, what would be charged and how would you get any Republican congresscritter or White House operative to admit that was the reason? Anybody?
EW at Top: “Late in the afternoon on day nine, the jurors asked three more questions about the charges. We have not yet seen the questions, but it seems that the jury implied it believed Libby had lied about the Cooper charge in one–but perhaps not both–of his FBI interviews.”
I have a slightly different reading here.
It seems more likely that the jurors believe Libby lied about what he told Cooper in both FBI and GJ testimony, but that they are divided on whether the prosecution proved it beyond a reasonable doubt in one of the instances - probably the FBI interview.
EPU-ed last thread, something to occupy your fingers, and further on egregious’ theme of “where was the oversight…”
looseheadprop @ 57
Interesting question–we have no idea WHICH document with the pictures of the witnesses on it went back. If it was Team Fitz’ document, it’d sure be a nice bonus, huh?
Right now we’re waiting on a cab. And waiting. And waiting.
how about a verdict today ! i’m getting a BLOOD CLOT in my leg .
egregious @
48
I think lhp meant ‘that was a hint‘
Rapid Ann starting to get commercial backlash. From the Raw Story:
They’ve been in there too long. Somebody is holding out and playing lawyer against the rest of the jury, being unreasonable and otherwise a pain in the ass.
Here is an OT, but a goodie.
The NM Senate (floor) is going to hear the impeachment resolution which has now received a do pass from all three committees to which it was assigned. Normally 3 committee hearings is a sure sign that the leadership wants the legislation dead.
However, in this case the sponsors ASKED for 3 hearings, which now gives it more standing than ever. Because it did not die after 3 hearings.
The floor vote will be very close. But Iglesias has been held in high regard, and there may be even a republican or more who will vote to impeach, after the hearing in DC today.
Woo Hoo!!!
I just want to add to Prairie Sunshine’s comments. It is frightening how Hannity and Limbaugh tried to shut Dana Priest up. She is the best of the WP, and to see them try to run her out on the rails was chilling. The fourth estate has been badly corrupted. Thank God she hung in there. The secret prisons and Walter Reed would have been swept under the rug.
And it only takes one good, honest, investigative journalist to turn the tide. In all my bitchin’ about the media, I sometimes forget that people like Dana Priest deserve our highest support and defense.
I’ve been dreaming of a white Fritzmas.
I’ve never had a proper respect for the buzzard before this morning.
Some of this discussion has reminded me of a question I wanted to ask: Why aren’t the jurors allowed a transcript of the trial (the parts they were present for, that is)? People absorb information in different ways, and it would make sense to let them read words that they’ve already heard. Why so “Top Secret” with the transcript??
there’s a diary at Kos about how the DOJ is threatening the fired attorneys and told to STFU.
Terry Olson @ 70
And how does your spouse feel about this?
Eg
If you wanted to gather up all the existing info and flogg the story mercilessly like FDL did with Plame, you might create a climate where, after an agaonizing wait, you may get most of your questions answered.
That was part of the genious of what Christy and Jane and Marcy and others have done here.
Pat was gonna do whatever Pat was gonna do no matter what. But that alone would not dictate how the American people would recive the information.
Without the pushback and truthtelling by the people here and at related sites, most Americans would proably believe the spin from the likes of Victoria Toensig. You know the “overzealous” slime.
Early in the coverage, they were making him sound unbalanced. FDL and kindred sites kept the boat from tipping over.
Well the same is true of the story of the attempted systematic destruction of DOJ and the Federal Judiciary.It will take decades for federal law enforcement to rebuild b/c so many of the good people, “career” people left if they had the option to.
The middle ranks, the places where future agency leaders vcome from, have been decimated. They upper leadershipt (deputy and assistant attornies general) replaced with cronies.
An awful lot of this is already publicly available. In fact the vast majority. You could put this together with a lot of research.
emptywheel @
63
Oy. This former DC resident remembers how long _that_ could take.
Is this the firing of a prosecutor to which lhp and others were alluding? Josh Marshall at TPM has it this morning.
DiBiagio in Maryland was going after the hatchet men in the Erhlich administration when he was sacked.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....012825.php
bg @ 67
Impeach who? The replacement USA? I don’t think a state leg has the jurisdiction to do that.
More details please.
lhp—
Any volunteers to run down the attorneys general scandal?
My plate is full, but it looks appetizing. Hope someone else can take this on.
Pete @ 69
Does that tie into the snow in tomorrow’s forecast?
Impeach who—Bush I think.
Marcy, you mentioned Count 3 is the weakest charge. Which is the strongest charge against Scooter? By “strongest” I mean the one on which you think the jury might be most likely to convict. I believe Jane said Jeralyn is skeptical that Fitzgerald really made his case. Does J think at least one of the charges is likely to stick?
Thank you.
Thomas Jefferson made a point that a state legislature can ask for impeachment. I can find the info, but it is there. Several state legislatures are doing this now, but perhaps NM is the farthest along in it.
Any state legislature has to pass it through both houses, and then the national congress has to hold a hearing or something similar on the merits.
laurie9 @ 71
because both sides would have to agree on the accuracy of the transcript before it could go into the jury (court reporters make mistakes. They are only human)
Usually, it would take longer to “settele” the transcript than it does to deliberate. SO the transcript is not yet official.
WHen the jury requests a readback of a portion of the tanscript, the two sides confer and “settle” the portion that will be read back.
laurie9 @ 71
I think it’s a great question. If I were on this jury, I’d be asking for constant readbacks.
Not to be the world’s biggest legal wet blanket, but a healthy dose of deep breathing is a good idea before we get started today. As I said yesterday:
Anything else is speculative, and should be treated as such. Period.
That said, I love this post. And I do have this tingly something is gonna happen feeling…so maybe we’ll get lucky today? All I’m saying is, until the jury announces the actual verdict, nothing — and I mean nothing — is certain. And that’s a healthy thing to keep in mind while we wait.
Technically speaking, being scavengers not predators, vultures don’t have “prey.”
Even better. The image of Libby as carrion is sort of appealing.
egregious @ 78
CSPAN is having a thing on this next.
BurkeDem @ 15
Dinosaur suits are all the rage in certain haute couture zones…so I’m told.
lhp,
New Mexico legislature is trying to impeach Bush & Cheney, AfterDowningStreet.org details.
Thanks, looseheadprop!
looseheadprop @
55
rywd
Does the last name begin with a D and end with an N?
CHS said…
I have to concur. I always used to tell my clients that going to court was like a one-way ticket to the twilight zone. I’ve seen VERY peculiar, absolutely unpredictable, things occur. It is definately not over til it’s over and even then…sometimes…it still ain’t over.
Ain’t nothing to do at this point except enjoy each other’s company and seek new ontological meaning in the refresh button.
emptywheel @
63
Hmmm, there are no local firepups who could give you a lift? I would but I’m about 200 miles away.
CNN - bob dole, donna shalala to head Walter Reed probe
BurkeDem @
20
Maybe it’s because I grew up over at DailyKos but I don’t understand what the fascination is with getting the first comment.
Anyhoo, ‘morning all. Marcy and Jane and other courthouse elves, thanks again.
twolf1 @ 94
Great, she can take time off from covering up the Miami Hurricane’s football scandals!
bg @ 82
There’s a post on Digby’s site about the attempts being stifled in WA to do what NM is doing. I think this will explain it.
Marcy - thank you, thank you, thank you!
I missed all of yesterday afternoon’s events, and while I read the blog entries last night, it was a bit confusing to me. You’ve summed everything up so well here, I now understand.
Probably the most important point that was confusing my non-legal mind was clarified here:
I really would have thought that if he committed perjury, then the obstruction would be obvious. But, then I suppose you wouldn’t have different charges.
I suppose one way the jury might convict Irving of obstruction is if they believe the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt that there was deliberate contradiction in Libby’s FBI testimony vs. GJ testimony.
Does anyone know if the jury has transcripts of the FBI testimony? I read in the comments they have transcripts of the GJ testimony. I’m curious if they might be able to compare.
Great point to whomever mentioned that they haven’t asked for readbacks of testimony (which surprises me, frankly). I can’t help but wonder if, after they’re done comparing a lot of the written evidence (transcripts), they’ll want to double-check with testimony review on the key issues. That could take an extra day. Oh, I hope I’m wrong on that!
Good morning everyone.
I wasn’t able to keep up very well yesterday, and still have not read some of yesterday’s post. Hoping for better results today, but just wanted to say hey.
Thanks for post #85 Christy - you are right. Even though some signs are hopeful - you never know what a jury will do. And I am still worried that they are concentrating on item 3 of Count 1. That may indicate they didn’t find Russert credible. After the ups and downs of yesterday, deep breaths all around.
egregious @ 78
The good folks at ePluribus Media are plugging away at this…but they could always use more volunteers.
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