(Graphic from http://www.madehow.com/Volume-7/Movie-Projector.html)
James Carville, back before Mary Matalin succeeded in ruining him as a force for good, once made the following point:
Newt Gingrich, as a young congressman in 1988, was the loudest voice in hounding Jim Wright, the Democratic Speaker of the House during the 1980s, out of office over a $55,000 book deal. Newt then himself went on to not only take a $4.5 MILLION book deal from HarperCollins, a Rupert Murdoch imprint, but went on when he became Speaker to push for the repeal legislation that kept Murdoch — who was then not yet a US citizen — from owning any US TV networks. (That's how FOX News came to be, by the way.) Essentially, if a Republican accuses somebody of doing something, you can be sure that the Republican is doing it at least eighty times worse.
Fast-forward to CoupGate, aka the Clinton Impeachment Insanity of 1998-2000. Gingrich was but one of a number of Republican horndogs and adulterers — Henry Hyde, Helen Chenoweth, Dan Burton, Dick Armey, to name but a few – wagging their fingers at Bill Clinton for having got hummers from a female to whom he wasn't married.
And let's not forget my own personal favorite Republican politician and malefactor, Philip Giordano, the former mayor of Waterbury, Connecticut — who if all the votes had been counted in Florida in 2000 would have been appointed by Connecticut's Republican governor at the time, John G. Rowland, to serve out Joe Lieberman's term — just as the cops were about to bust him for raping prepubescent little girls. He's now in the Federal pen — though I don't know if it's the same one where Governor Rowland would himself spend some time in the years following Giordano's downfall.
It's not just conservative politicians that are hypocrites: Look at Michelle Malkin, clutching her pearls in front of a fawning Howard Kurtz over a few anonymous comments left on Huffington Post bare weeks after sending her readership out to go after Amanda Marcotte and Melissa McEwan (and around the same time as when she cut loose with some incivility at the CPAC shindig). Or William Donohue, the anti-Semitic woman-hater who attacks people for being "bigots".
Oh, and let's check out some of the prominent politically conservative TV preachers of past and present, shall we? Billy James Hargis. Jim Bakker. Jimmy Swaggart. Ted Haggard.
Going back to James Carville: He wasn't the only one who observed the conservative and Republican tendency for doing the very things they accuse others of doing. Molly Ivins noted this phenomenon, too. In fact, she borrowed a term from the psychiatric lexicon to describe it: "Projection ".
Republicans and conservatives indulge in projection for at least two (2) reasons that I can determine. One is because they wish to deflect attention from their own shortcomings. The other is because the press generally doesn't call them on it. (Contrast the willingness of the US news media to broadcast right-wing media figure Michelle Malkin's accusations of incivility against lefty bloggers — without noting her lead role in promoting incivility among her fan base.)
Let's collect up the various examples of "Do as I say, not as I do" among the cons. Feel free to drop them off in the comments below.
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fitz?
PW !!
Hell yeah!
Well – - – there’s Karl Rove building his entire career on gay-baiting, when his gay dad drove his mother to suicide.
Well, let us start with the obvious example:
Perjury is perfectly acceptable if you’re a republican in the service of protecting a republican president. But if you’re a Dem doing it to prevent the salacious details of your marital infidelity from becoming public, it’s high treason!
Dana Rohrabacher–used a high school orthopedic injury (back or knee–I forget which) to get a note from a doctor friend of the family and get out of service in Vietnam.
I’m so f’ing mad about Lieberman having the ‘mike’ this weekend I can hardly think straight. I need to calm down.
My favorite example of projection is when they accuse Democrats of trying to steal elections. They do this whenever Democrats insist on a recount that rightfully should happen, but might catch the *Republicans* in the act of stealing an election.
Rowland did his time in a PA pokey, while Giordano is in a New York federal pen.
Rowland didn’t do enough time. Giordano can’t do enough.
God and Goddess bless Molly…
Lieberman doing the Deme radio thing this weekend has me livid at my political party.
I like this post Phoenix Woman. I couldn’t stop myself from sneaking a peek at JustOneMinute to see their view about today’s trial events. Talk about hypocrits. I read that we won’t like Fitz when we realize he will prosecute terrorists the same way he has Libby. Just one of many many stupid posts.
I also found out he was appointed illegally (??). Didn’t their administration appoint him?
He/her Wilson has “Air Force values.”
Looking forward to Air Force Values on parade tomorrow with Iglesias under oath.
Oh and the gay two faced thing. All over that.
Chickenhawk:
TeddySanFran @ 4
Rove. Descriptive words escape me.
Howie Klein usually keeps us up to date on Republican pedophiles and other pathologies.
http://downwithtyranny.blogspo…..-wing.html
The last paragraph has a nice summary.
William “Mr. Values” Bennett and his gambling come to mind.
Mark Foley
He introduced a bill, coined the “Child Modeling Exploitation prevention Act of 2002″ to outlaw web sites featuring sexually suggestive images of preteen children, saying that “these websites are nothing more than a fix for pedophiles.”
Another thing that ticks me off..the right-wingers where I worked were so excited when Martha Stewart was convicted. Now they think poor Mr. Libby is being persecuted.
ccmask @ 18
Well, he knew this from personal experience!
Related to this topic, I still eagerly await disclosure of the gender of the Watergate hookers provided in the Dusty Foggo/Duke Cunningham cases….
PW,
Before I read your article, I would just like to say that the fact that Carville can sit down to a meal with Matalin, spend free time and vacation with her, and-gag-go to bed with her, tells me this is a man of no convictions. The fact that he can do it on a daily basis tells me he is a prostitute. Of the highest order.
The Republicans ‘project’. My party ‘triangulates’.
Um, too easy, perhaps, but Ted Haggard comes to mind.
The whole “welfare is bad” thing…..unless you’re a corporation.
That goes for bankruptcy too.
And illegal behavior like accounting fraud. And not paying taxes.
I guess I’m equating corporations with ‘pukes.
Terry Olson @ 22
The fact that he can, day in and day out, appear on major 24-hr news networks as a pundit without disclosing which candidate is currently paying for the pleasure of his advocacy is further proof.
Bil @ 10
;0) Molly ;0)
I’ve been saying republicans have been projecting for decades…The following projection should be thoroughly investigated: Ann Coulter is trying to get out of the closet for all her attempts at being a transgender/transvestite ;)
For Molly. Real then, real now.
not a projection.
When does DeLay come to trial?
“The islands are home to classic sweatshops. In 1996 and 1997, Abramoff billed the Marianas for 187 contacts with DeLay’s office, including 16 meetings with DeLay. In December 1997, DeLay, his wife and their daughter went on an Abramoff-arranged jaunt to the Marianas. DeLay brunched with the Marianas’ largest private employer, textile magnate Willie Tan.
Tan had to settle a U.S. Labor Department lawsuit alleging workplace violations. According to the book “The Hammer” by Lou Dubose and Jan Reid, among the violations common on the islands is forbidding women to work when they are pregnant, thus leading to a high abortion rate.
Evidently, DeLay didn’t have time to look into such allegations, since he was busy playing golf and attending a dinner in his honor, sponsored by Tan’s holding company. According to The Washington Post, it was at this dinner that DeLay called Abramoff “one of my closest and dearest friends.” He also reminded those present of his promise that no minimum wage or immigration legislation affecting the Marianas would be passed.
“Stand firm,” he added. “Resist evil. Remember that all truth and blessings emanate from our Creator.” He then went with Tan to see a cockfight.
This is why DeLay’s professions of Christianity make me sick. He was there. He could have talked to the workers. Instead, he chose to walk with the powerful and do real harm to the very people Jesus mandated we especially care for.”
ALWAYS keep your prayers intentions focused on the Golden Rule, never cast an intention, prayer or dark spell.
PRAY, meditate for the Golden Rule and Tom DeLay…Most prayers are dangerous, this one isn’t.
Rush and his various rushes.
Jeff Gannon/James Guckert
Shrub’s every-six-months trips to the Gulf Coast must qualify for some kind of projection of “empathy” as a human value….
I liked the you-tube last night of MMKKKin saying she made a lot of errors and corrected a few of them. Accuracy in media. A winner.
Let’s never forget the Jeff Gannon/Guckert hustler posing as a journalist to bail out the President and Pretty Scotty from a tough spot when a softball question was needed to throw off the press. And all the “ins” but not “outs” from the White House Logs. Imagine if Bill Clinton had a gay hooker trolling the halls of the White House with an assumed name?
Republican hypocrisy? Isn’t this kinda like shooting whales in a keg?
I’m sure there’s a new one today, or probably several, but the one that’s been really pissing me off lately is the Dick Cheney “Pelosi, et. al., are validating the terrorists strategy” smear.
Uh, no, Dick.
You did that when you invaded Iraq.
Pelosi, et. al, are simply trying to mitigate, reduce, and stop your blunders.
Dante was particularly disdainful of the usurers I believe. My distaste is reserved for the hypocrites.
Judy Judy Judy, spy vs: spy.
Congresscreature John Doodoolittle of the Golden State. Good conservofacist, promotes family values, especially when his wife benefits, but seems not to care about enslavement of women from various Pacific Rim countries in the Mariana Islands.
Or are we the hypocrites, saying that perjury is a crime, but it wasn’t in Clinton’s case?
Myself, I think Scooter should rot in prison as a perjurer and a traitor. But I wasn’t all that happy about Clinton’s perjury either.
I nominate the late governor of Mississipi, Kirk Fordice, who used to rant about how America was a “Judeo-Christian nation,” founded on “family values,” and was one of the loudest voices shrieking for Bill Clinton’s impeachment over Lewinsky-gate. He was surprised and wounded when people publicly criticized him for having an affair with another woman, for whom he left his wife of 44 years.
And let us not forget Ronald and Nancy Reagan, who argued for pre-marital abstinence and disapproved of divorce. More of that family values stuff. Nancy was pregnant with Ron Jr. when they got married. Oh—that’s right, Big Ron had previously been married to Jane Wyman, who divorced him.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 36
Hmm. The lowest circle of hell, the ninth, was reserved for betrayers. Like Judas.
I wonder what Dante would make of leaders who betray the principles upon which their country was founded.
More like a handgrenade in a goldfish bowl.
Bush talking about supporting the troops.Walter Reed,cuts to veterans benefits inc. brain injuries and prosethic limbs.
The VP’s criticism of John Murtha which ellicited a response of “Oh, yeah, that’s what I like, criticism from a guy with 5 deferments.”
Not to defend Big Dawg, but um, no one died.
Plus getting to the lie only wasted $80M or so tax dollars. Still did not bankrupt the country.
Former Senator Frist of Tennessee certainly took care of his own in the healthcare sector. Plus, he could practice telemedicine at the sametime.
Ann in AZ @ 31
Of all TradMed’s failings, not investigating this strikes me as the most inexplicable. Truly, I could understand being complicit in the runup to war; I could understand the false choice of having a beer versus earth tones. But — to have a male hooker pose as a journalist in your midst, day after day, and not follow the breadcrumbs wherever they led? How could this happen?
Who was this man? How did he come to sit among them, as one of them? What of his many visits to the White House? What of his daily-pass credentialing?
To me, it is more evidence of the efficient gelding accomplished by the NSA net, cast wide.
The most current one is whining about “a mere perjury trial when there’s no underlying crime.” What’s good for Clinton is not good enough for Libby, apparently.
Fair and Balanced!!!
bberg @ 28
bberg @ 28
Scroll down at http://www.crooksandliars.com/ to get another flavor of the Mann. Women do not sit like this, in this kind of apparel, in polite company.
Joe, Clinton’s lie was not material (or even related) to the alleged crime he was giving a deposition about. Perjury doesn’t normally get charged in those cases. Libby’s lie was very material to this investigation.
Rush Limbaugh is a veritable cornucopia of projection and matchless hypocrisy. Not just the drug/viagra stuff, but the fact that he’s been on welfare, while railing against others on public assistance. There’s almost too much to list.
Teresa @
12
Fitz has participated in prosecuting terrorists – USA v. Bin Laden [scroll down]
And he was appointed legally by acting AG Comey
OH, NEWS!! Wilson just trying to “help” Iglesias.
WaPoo has it:
Wilson also said she was trying to help Iglesias: “If the purpose of my call has somehow been misperceived, I am sorry for any confusion. I thought it was important for Mr. Iglesias to receive this information and, if necessary, have the opportunity to clear his name.”
Pathologically, republicanism is related to syphilitic hebephrenia, but it is more far common and destructive.
Republicanism costs the nation hundreds of billions of dollars per year, saps valuable resources, and is responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands with whom the carrier comes in contact(see: Iraq).
It is possible for your family or neighbors to contract the disease, yet for you to remain immune.
Modern science is working on a cure, but as yet, none has been found.
Please help us stamp out creeping republicanism in our lifetime.
Heather Wilson:
Wilson also said she was trying to help Iglesias: “If the purpose of my call has somehow been misperceived, I am sorry for any confusion. I thought it was important for Mr. Iglesias to receive this information and, if necessary, have the opportunity to clear his name.”
http://www.dailykos.com/
Teresa @ 51
Plus, the ‘investigation’ that sought to trap Clinton in the first place (”Troopergate”) was a complete pack of lies, as was the subsequent Paula Jones pile o’ crap. He was brought into court on lies.
John in Sacramento – I know…I was just repeating the bulls**t I read at JustOneMinute.
Terry Olson @ 50
SPEW..thought I saw the tapeworm….Now I have to clean the keyboard, thanks
OfT: Local newscast CBS5, reporting John Edwards’ using Ann Coulter’s speech as a fundraising tool, shows the clip on Edwards’ website, and BLEEPS the f-word.
That’s progress, I think. Or knowing your market. Or knowing hatespeech and not passing it along.
AZ Matt @ 46
And don’t forget that he used to go to the animal shelter, “adopt” cats, and take them home to kill them and practice surgical techniques. Apparently even he, in his autobiography, admitted that he had been dishonest about the adoptions.
From the Wiki
Dennis Hastert
Controversies
Campaign contributors
Support for Turkey
Remarks about George Soros
New Orleans rebuilding
Connection to Jack Abramoff scandal
FBI search of a Congressional office
Real estate investments
2006 House page scandal
Joshua Hastert
Ethan Hastert
Tranny jokes are unwelcome here at the lake (for those who missed previous alerts on this topic). There’s lots about Coulter to criticize. Her gender variance, or not, isn’t one of them.
TeddySanFran @
21
Yes, I’ve been wondering about that too.
By the way, Phoenix Woman, thanks for that Billy James Hargis link. In it I read for the first time about the beginning of the Fairness Doctrine. Really interesting.
joe falcone @ 39
*Sigh*
Clinton’s ‘perjury’ was more in the realm of violating the spirit of the law rather than the letter. It was also in the context of a civil suit rather than a criminal investigation over an issue of national security such as outing an undercover agent and her front company. Also, it was about an issue tangential to the civil case rather than about the primary thrust of the suit. Finally, Clinton was reprimanded by the judge and disbarred for several years, which, considering the trivial, and set-up, nature of the charge was probably sufficient punishment.
An arguable case can be made that a blow job several months ago does not constitute a presently active sexual relationshp. So when Clinton was asked “Is there a sexual relationship?”, he said “No”, relying on the fact that his relationship with Lewinsky was over, and that they’d never had intercourse anyway.
Not exactly pristine behavior, but would you really convict someone, beyond a reasonable doubt, for perjury over this?
Mr Falwell selling tapes of Clinton’s drug running
Terry Olson @ 22
I don’t get Carville as a Democrat. Just because you might self-identify as one, doesn’t necessarily *make* you one. Dems should demand a divorce!
Bill Bennet gambling debts
How about Iran/Contra while “just say No” was in the White House?
TeddySanFran @ 2
TEDDY!
AZ Matt @ 46
That scenario sent me over the edge. Especially the democrats who hippity-hopped back to DC to vote along with the nutcases. Anybody have a list of the dems who voted with them?
You bunch of Nazi sympathizers. Why can’t you be good Amerikkkans like Herr Rumsfeld, Karl Rover, Prescott Bush…
How about when Ann “Thanks for respecting my privacy” Coulter posts names and addresses of her critics and then sics her sicko followers on them – many with death threats?
Alicia @ 56
If the false statement was immaterial, I bow to superior knowledge. The troopers were already saying such things in 1991, when Clinton came to Chicago to meet with a woman I had worked for, and his troopers were gossiping with the security detail, who passed along stories.
The ‘phenomenal futures trading ability’ of Hillary remains an unresolved mystery.
I don’t know the particular nature of any of the legal proceedings, and I definitely do not want to create any false equivalence between them and Libby’s crimes, or Gingrich’s corruption.
But when we extend the conversation to any number of GOP hypocrisies, then I feel compelled to point out that we do in fact maintain rather low ethical standards ourselves when we hold up the Clintons as victims. They deserved more scrutiny in 1992, which might have obviated the disaster of 1998.
Is this limited to politicians?
Alicia @ 52
Tell us more.
Peterr @ 17
:
And his ‘thought experiments’: “If all black women aborted their babies, then there would be less crime.”
bg @ 69
Oh, yes. And her kids were all doing lines themselves.
Gary Webb had the goods on the CIA’s selling crack: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C….._in_the_US
Teresa @ 57
Freeper site? … Must be. What is most amazing to me is that these neocons (they’re not real conservatives, i.e. John Dean) read and listen to that crap with no critical thinking skills whatsoever.
Amazes me.
Gotta run … L8r
Alicia @ 73
Michelle Malkin likes doing that too.
ironyesc8psem @ 75
Nope!
ccmask @ 18
Who’d know better but it goes to the question if he was gay or a pedophile. I thought he was flirting (showering unwanted attentiuon) on the underage boys, yes?
Mr Robertson of 700 hundred club fame:
saying god was going to hit orlando with a hurricane because of gay-day at disney
advocating assassination upon Chavez
destruction of the CIA,
all the while, digging for gold in a country run by a dictator with an atrocious human rights record.
“Culture of Life”
HA!
bdu @ 5
Uh-huh. And if you’re a Democrat, it’s perjury even if 1) the statement was made concerning something that had nothing to do with the matter at hand, and 2) you honestly believe the statment to be true.
OfT:
Have y’all seen this video that Matt Stoller has posted? (OKK, I’m talking to you!)–
in the words of Stonewall Jackson that the fucking rethuglican rednecks understand: Kill ‘em all”
And the purpose of “Privatization” was to SAVE tax dollars?
The old “Liquor Officer” Pat Robertson himself.
I really dislike hypocrites. And when people, say… like preachers, point fingers in church about unsavory behavior; behavior, for which it is later found that the very same preachers have indulged in, I get agitated. Whether it’s preachers or political pundits, I feel the same way.
ironyesc8psem @ 82
Ah, yes. Another charming piece of work, and an example of the religio-political complex in America. Not only are Robertson’s political ambitions plain, he inherited them from his equally-vile father.
The last best refuge of the scoundral is demagoguery. It’s a classic carny con…point the people’s eyes in one direction and relieve them of their watches, wallets and valuables while they are absorbed in what they are observing. Misdirection…it works! That’s why they keep employing it.
TeddySanFran @ 63
Thanks for saying this, Teddy. I agree completely, and this has been much discussed before at FDL. But, since we have so many new commenters, it’s a point worth making again, and again.
p.s. not just jokes, per se, but criticizing someone on that basis.
p.p.s. in case I didn’t make this clear, this is widely felt by those at FDL.
The idiot that said, Paraphrasing, ref NOLA / Katrina: god did in one night what we (rethugs) could never do
TeddySanFran @ 63
Teddy, I agree about the jokes. But I have nothing but contempt for Coulter and her ilk. We don’t know what they are because they lie. Except that you can only lie for so long. Sooner or later, somehow, you give yourself away.
start_beating_around_the_bush @ 88
Did anyone else see that episode of NOW with Pat complaining that he couldnt buy the little oil refinery he wanted because big oil had a monopoly of production?
There were so many things wrong with it, i am still having issues about it.
Bless you for the Giordano reference. An oldie but a goodie.
Phoenix Woman @ 90
then there’s good ole prescott bush
I guess we can’t pick on Beautiful Mind who speaks power to the minions, never failing to remind us of the truth of privilege.
bg @ 45
Ken Starr’s OIC was one great big wingnut welfare project, used to both feather the nests of worthless wingnut attack dogs and to harass anyone the Republican Congress didn’t like. Their favorite stunt was to subpoena people for no decent reason whatsover, just to force these people to go into debt from the travel and legal bills — bills which didn’t get reimbursed for years, if ever. The guy who ran the flower shop nearest the Governor’s Mansion was subpoenaed repeatedly, to the tune of over $100,000.
OK Kiddo—Hey cousin, you still around?
I was looking thru the last thread and counted up your posts, 31 out of 175. I tend to agree with nearly everything you say but wonder if you might be more effective with cutting back a little.
Offered in a spirit of love and concern for your message getting out to people.
Phoenix Woman @ 90
almost forgot this classic
“I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped this happen.’”
PW, nothing like the wingnut welfare that has happened in the last 6 years. . .makes Ken Starr look like a spendthrift.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 36
Dante was most distainful of the wishy-washy or fence sitters. Those that blow with the wind. Today he would use the term triangulars.
Jane Hamsher @ 96
If anyone wants proof that the US media isn’t liberal, one need only look at how that case barely made a ripple in the national press at the time — the same press that was regularly condemning and still condemns Clinton for a consensual affair with a grown woman.
Blue Dido @ 61
How about Frist’s blind trust that wasn’t blind? There were large highly profitable trades made on the family healthcare busniess on his positions, his wife’s position and other family members after the stock had accrued value and just before it started to lose value.
Phoenix Woman @ 99
with help from mr I made my money the old fashion way, I inherited it. scaiffe
Great post, PW.
Valley Girl:
Since we’d compared notes on Cambridge a while back, I thought I’d let you know that I got the interview. I’ll be visiting Jollye Olde England in a couple of weeks, so wish me luck. Heathrow is not my favorite airport in the world…
Phoenix Woman,
I’m really liking your essays. This one is brief, but it has brought out so many stories. I can’t believe how many layers of these creeps there are. There are so many, it taxes an individual’s brain to remember them all, but plenty of people remember a few, and now we’re sharing them. Mwahaha!
Great job at the courthouse today, gang. I just caught up on the posts, and I’m off in a few minutes for the next rehearsal.
eg- good on ya.
Personally, I look forward to Pat Robertson telling Mitt Romney when he comes to speak at Regent that his religion is a cult and, to be honest, he thinks Mitt’s a Satanist.
bg @ 98
Yeah. If Hillary’s allegedly a beeyotch, then Barbara’s a beeyotch sans pareil, but the press is much, much gentler with her than with Hillary.
TeddySanFran @ 86
I’m not sure I’m getting the drift.
EvilDrPuma @ 108
That’s great Dr. Break a leg, as they say.
oldie but goodie: I’m one of you, Linda Tripp
start_beating_around_the_bush @ 72
This is an especially ironic context in which to list Prescott’s case.
Have not seen much of the Beautiful Mind since Katrina.
Neil @ 105
Uh-huh. Much was made of the Kitty Kervorkian’s alleged prowess as a doctor, but what wasn’t talked about was that he was the heir and scion of the family’s medical empire first, a senator second, and a doctor a distant third.
Hey Everyone – Delurking for the first time (although I’ve hit the Paypal button) just to say that you people rock. I’ve been a “newsjunkie” and a “politicaljunkie” for a long itme. And I have never seen anything quite so wonderful as Firedoglake.
joe falcone @ 73
David Brock wrote the Troopergate article for the American Spectator. Here’s what he had to say.
Valley Girl @ 115
Thanks, but I hope I don’t. That would suck when flying economy class.
What’s happened to Frist’s SEC investigation, anyway? Has it ended, now that Christopher Cox is in charge there?
egregious @ 101
Adios. 0;)
Pat praying for Ruth Bader Ginsberg’s cancer (not for her recovery, but for her cancer) while simultaneously being a cancer? Is that projecting?
thanks all, for making a newbie feel welcome
time for nite nite
you all rock!!! wearin my yorkie-saurus costume tomorrow (apologies to the peanut and TRex) keepin finners and toes x’d
Haven’t seen mention of the `pugs perennial tendency to blame the Dems for “big gummint,” and then, when they get in, a) blow the budget, and b) make it bigger, and c) privatize it on behalf of their cronies.
So much for “conservative” principles….
The impeachment resolution in the NM Senate has just passed the third and final committee. It now heads to the floor. Vote counting VERY carefully.
Jane Hamsher @
97
Jane, you were in that lovely city for the Lieberman lovefest with Bill Clinton last summer, weren’t you?
Anyone watching Coming Home on MSNBC? It’s about the soldiers returning to Walter Reed. It’s both heartbreaking and infuriating.
War on Drugs…
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1499
bg @ 87
No, the purpose of privatization was to line the pockets of the already rich while screwing the punters. Pension and utility privatizations are the classic examples.
Here’s my take on Pat Robertson – who, BTW, never met a genocidal dictator he didn’t love, and was in bed with Charles Taylor of Liberia in a gold scheme.
Hello, Helen! Ain’t it grand?
This is the obvious one; but I haven’t seen it here in so many words. Little did we know that when we exercise our free speech rights against the war and other Bush policies, we are called traitors. We are told we are committing treason by saying anything negative about the war. Yet, they are the ones who do commit a full fledge treasonous act by outing a covert CIA operative for political payback.
OMG Teddy – oh yes it is!! I love it here. I am one of those who spends my entire day at “work” refreshing.
I can’t hear or read the words “ilk” or “pithy” without thinking of Bill O’Reilly. Why is that?
Strictly speaking, we don’t really have a concept of privatization (of state owned companies and infrastructure schemes) as it exists in many other countries. Instead, we have “deregulation” of utilities and public services, which basically means that government regulations that used to protect the public are replaced with new, equally onerous and intrusive government regulations, designed, stead, to enrich (generally Republican) cronies. Any true patriot will recognize that this system works beautifully, creating untold billions in new wealth for those who own our great nation.
Phoenix Woman @
132
Helen @
120
Please keep the de-lurking up. It’s the people who show up here and engage who make it such a wonderful place.
The pharisee who prides himself on being better than the accursed sinner is rather old hat but perverse, if not perverted, is that liberals try to hide their shame behind the transparent “progressive” label while admitting to crimes committed by conservatives.
Shouldn’t “big-spending liberal” be acknowledged by now for the farce it is?
No liberal ever spent or ran up debts like conservatives. Takes a powerful lot of money to attempt to hold back time.
And then there is nothing left for those wounded by the spending just as with the wars that conservatives need to fight to hold back change.
Best, Terry
David Horowitz. The former knee-jerker cum reactionary who bemoans the evils of quotas and then demands more Republicans and conservatives on college campuses.
Funny as a crutch.
If you get a chance to see Horowitz on the mini-web movie by Max Blumenthal it is an incredible case of projection.
Horowitz, it is the far right that wishes all liberals dead and they talk about it often.
-GSD
Helen @ 135
Just wait until you reach the unemployed & unbathed stage of this wonderful addiction FDL! {*g*}
The Jack Abramoff, who nobody admits knowing.
Alicia @ 121
I wish I knew how to erase some but not all of the blockquotes.
Anyway, the fact that the trooper said Jones wanted to be Clinton’s girlfriend is not really pertinent to the question.
I agree that there was a vast right-wing conspiracy to raise the level of something that was not huge. I agree there are vast GOP corruptions.
But there were some very serious reasons to question the background of the Clinton’s. It didn’t use to be a secret that Clinton sold out to the Tyson’s people after losing his first race. It’s not that tough to see that Hillary didn’t really multiply her futures investments 10-fold in a few days without somebody doing something fishy on her behalf.
Yes, there are some much more important corruptions on the GOP side, but this thread was started not to talk about GOP corruption alone. It was started as a thread about hypocrisy. To let the Clinton’s sins go while railing at each and every minor and major item of GOP corruption as evidence of GOP hypocrisy — that’s hypocrisy on our side. There’s no way around it.
TPhilip @
129
Yes I was. It’s where the forces of slime meet the forces of evil.
“privatazion” rarely saves $$. There is an economic reason why we have the private sector; the non-profit sector; and the government.
Jane Hamsher @ 139
Thanks Jane – I LOURVE you
If it is hypocritical for Al Gore to use to much energy while raising awareness about global warming is it hypocritical for conservative, small government Newt Gingrich to collect a nice fat pension from the big, bad, bloated government that he hates so?
Come on Newt, you made enough money on your books, why not swear off all that ill gotten tax money stolen from the pockets of poor Christian home-schooling mothers from Kansas.
-GSD
TeddySanFran @ 142
Teddy – I am almost there. Tomorrow holds major meetings for me (new job – only 4 months). And I am thinking about how I can get out of them.
o/t Eleven more hours till court opens tommorrow. Just saying.
Blub @ 138
A niggling distinction in some ways, but a valid one. This way, we can add media deregulation, insurance deregulation, environmental deregulation…that word never attaches itself to anything good, does it?
Projection is something that all human beings do. It is a defense mechanism but this defense mechanism goes completely out of whack when denial is activated within the brain. Denial occurs in a physical sense like a schizmogenic loop or analog in a computer. There is a desire that causes harm… the brain knows it is harmful (greed, alcoholism, obesity, smoking, drug use), but the body craves the short term effect. So the brain makes a choice to “ignore” the harmful effects of the the behavior. Once denial develops the human brain goes into over drive to protect the behavior. Denial leads to projecting because the brain is no longer able to take in information about the self harming the self.
So the self starts to focus on “others” instead. This focus on “others” becomes a form of self protection. Over time this behavior serves the brain like cocaine…or pain meds. It lowers the tolerance for pain while increasing the need for the “projection” which forms a symbiotic relationship with the addictive behavior. So as the addict uses drugs and alcohol to cope with feelings of guilt and shame, projection develops to help the process along. The less the person is able to take in feedback about the self and regulate shame the less the person is able to tolerate those feelings. The cycle just loops out of control.
The bush administration is FULL of addicts. From Bush on down, sex addiction, food addiction and greed. As a result projection is the tool of choice. It is physical.
The most important thing to understand about projection is that it is very difficult to confront. Anyone who tries to confront the behaviors will be brutally attacked…through the use of projection. The addict takes the rage they have about themselves and use it against those who attempt to disarm or confront the behavior. Those who confront are seen as a threat to whatever it is the addicted brain has determined is comforting. Long after the addiction to the substance stops…this cycle of denial and projection continues…which leads to relapse or cross addiction. (this part of the cycle is what is left after the addict stops using and could be considered “dry drunk” or “the authorative personality”. If you grow up with lots of projection..like addiction in a parent or sibling, you learn the behaviors without the substances.
The more you confront the Bush administration, the more they will attack. This will not change. It is not a matter of hoping they won’t do it. The whole country needs to come to some acceptance about this behavior. Confronting the Bush administration will cost all of us, and if we wish to make changes we must be willing to suffer the consequences. This is the issue we see the democrats fighting with. They want to make changes but they fear the destruction that will result. And it will result. That’s just the reality of the cycle. It’s the reality of the disease.
The other reality is that this is how we become enablers. We fear the attack back, we fear the consequences of confronting and setting boundaries and this leads to the whole country (especially dem senators and congressman who rely on votes) enabling the Bush administration…out of fear for self. Instead of commitment to truth and reality.
Recovery for the whole country will come as we face our fears about Bush and make a commitment to truth. We will all need to detach from the government and be ready to take good care of ourselves in the process…because Bushco will escalate as he is being confronted.
Pat @ 149
that’s just mean !! {*g*}
Joe- zig alert!
It takes a bit of self-teaching to get rid of some of the quotes in a quoted quoted quoted comment. After you’ve quoted, scroll through what shows up in your reply screen, and start deleting things. Preview, preview previw, bec. with so many block quotes, it’s easy to mess up. I know!
Otherwise, just manually copy the part you want to quote, and reference the comment # in your reply.
Good to learn this now, while things are relatively quiet! No chance once the jury starts asking more questions or the verdict comes in!
Shoutout to Jane and all TEAM FDL!!
Thanks for everyone and all the posts.
Tomorrow is the day.
TeddySanFran @ 153
I’ve got to work a 12 hour shift tomorrow, mostly away from the toobz :-( Gonna miss all the goings-on!
wow, katie jensen, nice analysis!
but scary
PW – It’s been what, a week? Wow! Great stuff and thanks for diving in.
You surprised me with a mention of the flower shop. Someday we will have to find a quiet lilly pad on the south side of the lake for conversation and high tea. I have a few tales from that flower shop for you…)
TeddySanFran @ 156
Echo that TSF.
katie, that really was a great comment.
OfT: I do not know how much time the Democratic Party usually takes to post the radio response from the previous weekend, but one day has passed without a post of RGJoe’s speech. I have not heard from the DNC regarding my request that they not post his speech.
Hey Evil – (Nice to meet you; love you, too) but deregulation is not the question, really. The question is who will benefit. Will we benefit from a private company that incarcerates people? No. Well not you and me; maybe Dick. So we need to not have a profit motive for these types of “services”
Oh my – I keep forgetting to “quote this comment”
I know this is totally OT. I just arrived home after
not working monitoring FDL blog all daybeing at work but one question I have for lawyers that I have not seen answered – was it appropriate for Judge Walton to have released his statement prior to the verdict? Can anything be made of that by the defense. Thank you if anyone has time.Helen @ 161
Actually, who will benefit is my question about deregulation in each of these cases. From your statement about private corporate imprisonment, I really do think we’re on the same page here.
OT, but just caught a teaser for the 11 PM news here about a soldier’s “pleasant” experience at Walter Reed. Should be interesting.
best wishes on your upcoming interview, evildrpuma.
katie jensen – Wow that was A-Pacha-de-cryptic!
I wish I could spotlight that!
TeresaPChicago @ 163
I’m not a criminal lawyer, but I see no harm in it. He was mainly memorializing the legal basis of the rulings he made during the trial. The jury won’t see the memo until after the verdict, if ever, and he wanted to get his views on the record. The lawyers (and all of us) were already aware of his rulings and perhaps a short hand basis, this memo just was a more thorough review of the law he was relying on.
TeddySanFran @ 153
Im truely sorry. I had to be away much of today. Worst day of my life. I tried to think of a way to have somebody at home manning my computer, and calling me every fifteen min. No luck. Our black lab is smart, but not that smart. Ted, Ill call you every fifteen min. if you like.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 158
Oooh! Sounds lovely!
Thank you Petedownunder.
Katie Jensen, excellent!!
And about privatization. Of course the idea that “government is wasteful” was the meme that was used to “sell” the concept of privatization of the public sector.
Of course it was not about saving money, it was, as has been mentioned, totally about transferring wealth from the public sector to the chosen few in the private sector.
But it is part of the train we were on, courtesy of PW, when we left the station upthread.
Just more of the same double speak and robbed twice that happened with these liars and thieves. And addicts, of course.
re: Walton report- Christy had a post on this. One issue was that the clerk who had worked with Walton was leaving on the Friday, so it made sense to finish the report before that happened, as the clerk had been there through the trial. that explains the timing.
EvilDrPuma @ 164
Yep – we are clearly on the same page. I am going WILD now that I have unleashed myself here.
TeresaPChicago @
171
You’re most welcome. I hope it was a)helpful and b)correct. If any of the criminal law experts are awake they can correct me if I got it wrong.
Pat @ 169
I’m *almost* willing to publish my cell number here, to have someone text me every 30 minutes or so! *g*
Valley Girl @ 172
That’s why it was funny when Walton said something about the clerk working for free today!
Pectopah @ 104
if i remember correctly – these souls, the so-called ‘wishy-washy’ whose passions buffeted them about – were in the first circle of hell, nearest the surface of the earth at the place where dante entered and began his journey down. since the architecture of the inferno has satan at the cold, icy center of the earth, furthest removed from god, i’m having trouble understanding your assertion that these were the most disdained.
but you definitely have me thinking about it.
I was mostly thinking of the risk of it tainting the jury in case it got into their hands
Phoenix Woman,
A nice post. I haven’t read through the comments yet, so maybe I’m being repetitive, but I’d like to add to the list of reasons for the constant pattern of projection on the part of the “new”, post-Gingrich “conservative” movement.
I do think there are many unconscious processes at work here, ripe for the picking for a keen observer like digby. But I also think there’s a deliberate Rovian strategy behind a lot of it. The deliberate projection of one’s own turpitude onto one’s opponents fits very well with a variety of Rove’s operational obsessions: e.g. (1) “getting out in front of” political phenomena that aren’t initially in their control (bad news, criticism, media narratives, opponents’ moves, etc.), (2) attacking opponents at their strongest points, (3) engaging in the “big lie” (as breathtakingly audacious and patently in the face of the facts as possible) instead of a small one, (4) confusing the audience with multiple contradictory narratives (so one throws up one’s hands in confusion and doesn’t know who to believe), and many other well-known tactics from the Rovian playbook. IMO the pattern is just too systematic and, often, too well-timed for there not to be a substantial strategic component to it. At any rate, I think it’s an important topic and one well worth further analysis.
LoudounLib @ 176
You can, perhaps, do it through a cut-out. Christy and Jane have public email addresses so you can email your cell # to them. I assume Christy and Jane have ours because we give it before we can comment. So, email your cell number to Christy or Jane with instructions to pass it on to a volunteer (I’d be happy to do it tomorrow for you)and then they email me and the message is transferred without publication in cyberspace. Will this work? Any FDL experts care to comment?
Teddy- yes- I wasn’t reading that in real time, but I thought it was a nice touch by Walton.
katie jensen @
152
Katie Jensen -
amazing! insightful! eloquent!
Thank you for this analysis. Spot on.
All of it – quoted or not.
I expect your predictions will prove most accurate.
You rawk!
Well, folks, TRex is coming up to the plate soon! Give the cuddly old carnivore a big hug! And ‘nighty night nooks!
Evening Jane and Firedogs,
have been mildly amused -
watching the Fundies reject Huckabee, he is truly one of their own, with bona fides, not an empty religious suit like Bush, but their leaders pass him by as non electable and flirt with Ghouliani, hell, they’ll probably blow off Mitt eventually, making it quite clear to all but the most challenged mouth breather that it has always been about power and never about the righteousness
petedownunder @ 180
pro bono to the limit?
KM @ 180
Oh, yes. Gingrich pioneered the way the Big Lie is used by conservative pols today. (Then again, the Big Lie works best if you have the press in your corner.)
‘Later!
I’ve gone wild too. . .
Teresa P, another aspect of the Walton paper was (IIRC) that he wanted to explain away any possible arguements that Libby would be able to use on appeal.
nighty night. Keep hope alive for tomorrow.
Petedownunder, thanks – I would hate to bother anyone, especially Jane or Christy at this important time – but I’m feeling brave-ish and you could email me tonight at natsncats AT verizon DOT net, and we could discuss further.
TeresaPChicago @ 189
Sleep well. We’ll all be here in the morning I’m sure.
Michelle Munchkin, fits her to a tee. Heard she’s a lil’bit. I don’t even want to check her website out. She’s so bogus.
Saw her on Tweety Matthews one day, by mistake, talking/defending the Swiftboaters with SF Mayor Willie Brown. I thnk she was laughed off the set after Chris talked some sense to her. She had no first hand knowledge of Kerry’s wounds, she was merely parroting their book. What a poor excuse for a Republican.
Thanks bg. I hope Walton is as smart as I am thinking he is.
bg @ 188
Thanks BG “wild?” in this conservative forum? Well, FUCK THE SHIT OUT OF THAT. (Sorry mods)
LoudounLib @ 190
YGM
Wasn’t one of the reasons the GOP claimed that they were not quick to respond to the Mark Foley e-mail scandal because they claimed that they were sensitive to gay issues and didn’t want to appear too homophobic by assuming Foley’s overtures were problematic simply because he was gay?
-GSD
TRex has fresh homeland security upstairs
Re: instant updates- there is something called RSS feed. Not that I’ve used it myself, but this might be a way to go.
To our Jane. Im a nurse, and Im ever mindful of your oh so recent surgery. Take care of your self little one. Your more important than any ol verdict. Luv Ya
KM @ 180
Only one problem with this–this has been going on long before Rove ever became a major player in the party. A year after a Democratic President and Congress had successfully concluded the Second World War, the `pugs, in a brazen attempt to regain Congress in the 1946 elections, made non-stop accusations that the Dems were “soft on defense” (in fact, that’s where the meme first came from that’s been repeated ever since, election after election).
The `pugs are a party of cranks, crackpots, white slavers, religious nuts and thieves. What Rove has done–and fairly successfully, I think–is organize them and convince the various factions to get along and ignore their differences for the greater good.
Petedownunder – YGM
Pat @ 199
Hey Jane – I am sure you are well cared for – but I work at Memorial Sloan Kettering. We (and our friends) get excellent care. Please let me know if you need anything.
I’ll be in a public school nowhere near a computer or the media tomorrow all day but I have instructions for a friend to leave a message on my cell should a verict come in. Meanwhile I think Walton likes Fitz much better than he does Ted. I think Ted has just gotten on everyones nerves. IMHO…..
Thank you all for such great company.
I’m still mad at Bush 41 for calling people traitors because they belonged to ACLU. There were a couple of other things he said, too.
My mother changed her voter registration to Dem from GOP (not that she changed her voting pattern, which was Dem in all but registration) after Bush changed his publicly stated views in order to get the VP nomination. She felt that showed a real lack of principles.
TeddySanFran @ 86
Late to the party, as usual (the burden of living on the left coast)
F*ing Brilliant. Just. F*ing. Brilliant.
Montag @ #200 “The `pugs are a party of cranks, crackpots, white slavers, religious nuts and thieves. What Rove has done–and fairly successfully, I think–is organize them and convince the various factions to get along and ignore their differences for the greater good.”
Montag- I always enjoy your comments here. You seem not to have been around so much lately, but I figure that is bec. of the repetitive day time comments about jury demeanor, jury clothes, etc. Right or wrong? Anyway, I always check your blog, and this would make a great blog post, expanded. Yeah, I could ask you to expand now, but that just wouldn’t be fair. But, if you do a blog post on this, I guarantee I will read.
Hannity: Selective Moral Outrage
Coulter: “‘Faggot’ is a schoolyard taunt meaning wus, nerd, lame.”
That too, Anne.
Coulter: “It was a joke,it got laughs.”
I watched the CSPAN recording. About half of the people were shocked and half laughed.
Valley Girl @ 206
Sort of. I don’t comment much on the trial proceedings (IANAL, etc.). I check the posts now and then during the day. But, for about a week or so, I’ve been thrust into research mode again due to a radioactive (literally) local political situation, and that’s taking some time (one of the reasons for not blogging much).
As for Rove, I don’t think I’m saying anything new–certainly, Jim Moore said all that and much more in his books on Rove, but thanks for the thought. It might be worth a post one of these days. :)
Cheers.
Don’t be gay, Spark! Don’t be gay!
http://www.southparkstudios.co…..&id2=4
montag- as ever, thanks for the reply. Now that you mention it, I do remember you saying something about the “radioactive” political situation before.
sdf (Stu) @ 112
I have a wonderful co-worker who is Mormon who I respect a great deal although we do not see eye-to-eye on a number of things politically. She and I joke about, amongst other things, that, according to folklore/legend that Mormons have horns growing out of their foreheads. She is a good friend, a wonderful, compassionate human being and someone I admire. If she represents the Mormon church, I will pit her against any of the other so-called “Christian” leaders that I have seen in the conservative movement. Come Judgment Day, I have a feeling Mr. Robertson and his ilk will have a rather nasty surprise. (God forgive me for my pride.)
Don’t forget Tim Hutchinson who was cheating on his wife the whole time he was going after Bill Clinton.
How’s this-Unelected judges, can’t trust the government, government can’t do anything right=DEATH PENALTY.
Or-Why should the government take money away from me and give it to someone who didn’t earn it?= Income transfer=tax cuts for the wealthy BORROWED (STOLEN) from the future.
joe falcone @ 144
More like half-vast.
Why exactly?
The Clintons should be arrested for impersonating Democrats. They are the original DLC’ers who want the best government can give the “suffering middle class”(tm) and the hell with the majority left to fend for themselves.
Best, Terry
TeresaPChicago @ 163
Ain’t no lawyer but it could be catastrophic.
Anybody that thinks outside events can’t find their way into jury deliberations don’t know from nothing.
JMO that is obviously at odds with more learned types.
Best, Terry
Hope this wasn’t said in the second hundred comments. A good example is Rethugs accusing Dems of engaging in ‘class warfare’. The Rethugs are all about class warfare in so many ways, but if you object to the low taxes on the rich during wartime, *you’re* the guilty one.
katie jensen >
Trapped animal syndrome
Thanks for the summary
“Envy is thin because it bites but never eats.” – Spanish proverb
Republican hypocrisy? Now *there’s* a hole with no bottom.
How about any self-styled rugged individualist through American history railing against the government who has benefited from land swindles, tax “reforms” or sweetheart deals like natural resource handouts?
I hear tell that Larry Flynt has nice video tapes of the Newter in an atlanta titty bar…and has had them since the night before Newter resigned from his seat…..
Nobody has broken this yet (let’s see if Wonkette does today), but the rumor floating around the internets last night is that one of the CPAC honorees this weekend (ex-Marine who’s been feted by Fox News for railing against anti-military attitudes at Columbia) is a former gay porn star…stay tuned!
I know this is wayyy down (and out) in epu-land and although I read many of the comments I didn’t read them all…but hypocrisy..
Let’s see leaking classified information (even cherrypicked selective leaking) when it allegedly supports the administration’s cause or policy (hello Dick Cheney and NIE plamegate, the whole run up to the IRaqWar was cherrypicked classified intelligence) versus accusing others of high treason and threatening prosecution or job loss for the leakers and receivers (reporters) of classifed gov’t information that may reflect poorly on the scums such as the NSA program…oh the humanity.
Late to the party, but this one always makes my head spin:
During campaign ‘04, Dick Cheney asserted that John Kerry lacked
“deeply held convictions about right and wrong.”
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..40812.html
GE @
224
Seems like the White House may have scrubbed that transcript. Another link:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5685179/
Cheney’s remarks were the latest biting criticism by the vice president of Kerry. Wednesday, he said Kerry lacked “deeply held convictions about right and wrong.”
queridobobo @
222
Be still my beating heart! What will Ann Coulter say? (Nothing, probably.)
Be still my beating heart! What will Ann Coulter say? (Nothing, probably.)
What would Ann Coulter say about this, indeed?