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		<title>By: kathleen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/05/scenes-from-the-courtroom/#comment-540354</link>
		<dc:creator>kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane who is doing time in the hallway?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would still like one MSM journalist to interview the folks who have been coming to the trial for the whole month.  The one reading and watching in the hallway.  Iowa farmer, retired teacher from New York, retired state department employee.  It would make for a great story ..why are they there?  What is their take on the trial? etc. etc.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>I would still like one MSM journalist to interview the folks who have been coming to the trial for the whole month.  The one reading and watching in the hallway.  Iowa farmer, retired teacher from New York, retired state department employee.  It would make for a great story ..why are they there?  What is their take on the trial? etc. etc.</p>
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		<title>By: ralphbon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/05/scenes-from-the-courtroom/#comment-540327</link>
		<dc:creator>ralphbon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Adie @186. I’m with you. I want the man to arrive at the Hague in sterling health.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adie @186. I’m with you. I want the man to arrive at the Hague in sterling health.</p>
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		<title>By: kathleen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/05/scenes-from-the-courtroom/#comment-540316</link>
		<dc:creator>kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Two weeks of deliberating and they come back asking for a defintion of reasonable doubt…So discouraging.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Barbara’s roots connect her to Libby.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two weeks of deliberating and they come back asking for a defintion of reasonable doubt…So discouraging.</p>
<p>Barbara’s roots connect her to Libby.</p>
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		<title>By: Educated Plaintiff</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/05/scenes-from-the-courtroom/#comment-540274</link>
		<dc:creator>Educated Plaintiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-540263&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;champollion @&lt;br /&gt;
                227              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-540257&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lawyer Smith @ 226&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;O.K., I guess as an officer of the Court I have to apologize for the comment above about most juror’s intelligence and retract it entirely.  Trials are human events full of human errors.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those of us that have tried cases have inevitably had more than a few lousy juries.  Sometimes no explaining or understanding how they reach a result.  This jury should have been back with a conviction within 24 hours.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you pick the juries…..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-540263"><em>champollion @<br />
                227              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-540257"><em>Lawyer Smith @ 226</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>O.K., I guess as an officer of the Court I have to apologize for the comment above about most juror’s intelligence and retract it entirely.  Trials are human events full of human errors.</p>
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<p>Those of us that have tried cases have inevitably had more than a few lousy juries.  Sometimes no explaining or understanding how they reach a result.  This jury should have been back with a conviction within 24 hours.</p>
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<p>you pick the juries…..</p>
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		<title>By: suncatcher</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/05/scenes-from-the-courtroom/#comment-540267</link>
		<dc:creator>suncatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-540096&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;litigatormom @ 159&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;TeddySanFran @ 136: &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The breaking news alert didn’t say anything about dosage, or what he’s already taking in terms of blood thinners.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Personally, I don’t believe that Cheney &lt;em&gt;has&lt;/em&gt; blood.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He’ll escape to the hospital just as soon as the guilty verdict comes in and then reporters won’t have access to him. A little different version of the rehab escape when one gets caught.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-540096"><em>litigatormom @ 159</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><em>TeddySanFran @ 136: </em></p>
<p>The breaking news alert didn’t say anything about dosage, or what he’s already taking in terms of blood thinners.</p>
<p>Personally, I don’t believe that Cheney <em>has</em> blood.</p>
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<p>He’ll escape to the hospital just as soon as the guilty verdict comes in and then reporters won’t have access to him. A little different version of the rehab escape when one gets caught.</p>
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		<title>By: champollion</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/05/scenes-from-the-courtroom/#comment-540263</link>
		<dc:creator>champollion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-540257&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lawyer Smith @ 226&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;O.K., I guess as an officer of the Court I have to apologize for the comment above about most juror’s intelligence and retract it entirely.  Trials are human events full of human errors.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those of us that have tried cases have inevitably had more than a few lousy juries.  Sometimes no explaining or understanding how they reach a result.  This jury should have been back with a conviction within 24 hours.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-540257"><em>Lawyer Smith @ 226</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>O.K., I guess as an officer of the Court I have to apologize for the comment above about most juror’s intelligence and retract it entirely.  Trials are human events full of human errors.</p>
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<p>Those of us that have tried cases have inevitably had more than a few lousy juries.  Sometimes no explaining or understanding how they reach a result.  This jury should have been back with a conviction within 24 hours.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawyer Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawyer Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;O.K., I guess as an officer of the Court I have to apologize for the comment above about most juror’s intelligence and retract it entirely.  Trials are human events full of human errors.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O.K., I guess as an officer of the Court I have to apologize for the comment above about most juror’s intelligence and retract it entirely.  Trials are human events full of human errors.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawyer Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/05/scenes-from-the-courtroom/#comment-540240</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawyer Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;By the way, Lwyers like myself often lament that nost people qualified to be jurors are not qualified to be jurors.  Yes, the implication being that most groups of twelve people are too stupid to follow a case, understand the law and decide important issues.  Just look at these people, instead of relying on the evidence they want science to tell them what to do.  Sheep.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, Lwyers like myself often lament that nost people qualified to be jurors are not qualified to be jurors.  Yes, the implication being that most groups of twelve people are too stupid to follow a case, understand the law and decide important issues.  Just look at these people, instead of relying on the evidence they want science to tell them what to do.  Sheep.</p>
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		<title>By: bdu</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/05/scenes-from-the-courtroom/#comment-540237</link>
		<dc:creator>bdu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-540180&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;P J Evans @ 215&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;bdu @ 133&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Chaos can be any number of cats. Mostly it’s a matter of balancing the time you have available with the cat’s request for all your time (as in 24/7).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(I come from a cat family. The first cat I remember was three months older than me.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree, though my point is that I don’t believe it’s possible in any way to decrease the chaos by increasing the number of animals.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Along with my two cats, I sometimes birdsit a green cheeked conure. Let me tell you, an irritable bird (since he’s away from home)   two cats who have fixed their interest on said bird, now THAT’s fun.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-540180"><em>P J Evans @ 215</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>bdu @ 133</p>
<p>Chaos can be any number of cats. Mostly it’s a matter of balancing the time you have available with the cat’s request for all your time (as in 24/7).</p>
<p>(I come from a cat family. The first cat I remember was three months older than me.)</p>
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<p>I agree, though my point is that I don’t believe it’s possible in any way to decrease the chaos by increasing the number of animals.</p>
<p>Along with my two cats, I sometimes birdsit a green cheeked conure. Let me tell you, an irritable bird (since he’s away from home)   two cats who have fixed their interest on said bird, now THAT’s fun.</p>
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		<title>By: champollion</title>
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		<dc:creator>champollion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-540223&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lawyer Smith @ 222&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;This jury is lost.  Walton’s answer should have been “no,” as the prosecutor is not required to present scientific evidence that Libby could not have a memeory problem.  They’re beasically saying they won’t convict absent this type of evidence which means they’ve missed the point.  The Gov is asking for a verdict based on common sense in the face of Libby’s defense and the jurors are declining to exercise common sense, instead looking for science specific to Libby that does not exist, (a general memory expert would not be probative as to Mr. Libby’s abaility to remember facts).  Basically the Gov is asking the jurors if they believe a guy like Libby ever misremembers anything, given his job and duties, and therefore knowingly lied and obstructed justice.  The defense is asking them to believe Libby just plain old forgot things as did the witnesses against him, so to mean that even if the witnesses are right about what happened, Libby’s mistakes were innocent, not purposeful.  Fitz laid out Libby’s alleged motive and the defense said it was no motive at all.  The Court turned it over to the jury to decide and now they are discussing anything but the actual evidence in the case.  They are discussin gthe case they would have liked to seen rather than the one they did see.  Libby is going ot be acquitted.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree, or hung jury.  If the jury thinks the government has to prove a negative, Fitz has a jury that is thinking too much.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-540223"><em>Lawyer Smith @ 222</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>This jury is lost.  Walton’s answer should have been “no,” as the prosecutor is not required to present scientific evidence that Libby could not have a memeory problem.  They’re beasically saying they won’t convict absent this type of evidence which means they’ve missed the point.  The Gov is asking for a verdict based on common sense in the face of Libby’s defense and the jurors are declining to exercise common sense, instead looking for science specific to Libby that does not exist, (a general memory expert would not be probative as to Mr. Libby’s abaility to remember facts).  Basically the Gov is asking the jurors if they believe a guy like Libby ever misremembers anything, given his job and duties, and therefore knowingly lied and obstructed justice.  The defense is asking them to believe Libby just plain old forgot things as did the witnesses against him, so to mean that even if the witnesses are right about what happened, Libby’s mistakes were innocent, not purposeful.  Fitz laid out Libby’s alleged motive and the defense said it was no motive at all.  The Court turned it over to the jury to decide and now they are discussing anything but the actual evidence in the case.  They are discussin gthe case they would have liked to seen rather than the one they did see.  Libby is going ot be acquitted.</p>
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<p>I agree, or hung jury.  If the jury thinks the government has to prove a negative, Fitz has a jury that is thinking too much.</p>
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