
It was a pretty tense morning in the courtroom. From a common sense perspective it seemed like the answer to one of the jury's questions — "is it necessary for the Government to present evidence that it is not humanly possible for someone not to recall an event in order to find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt" — would be "no." Most legal eagles batting it around agreed that in any other case that would have been the response, but Walton is playing it very close to the vest right now. Whether that is because this is a high profile case, that's his natural tendency or because he's got one eye on an inevitable appeal (should the jury return a guilty verdict) it's hard to know.
But when Walton said he simply wanted to tell the jury he didn't understand the question, Fitzgerald was not a happy camper. Not at all. He looked like someone who was watching his case circle the drain. Jeffress, on the other hand, was delighted, and when he told the judge that he thought his decision was the right one it seemed like he was struggling to keep a smile from tugging at his mouth. Deborah Bonamici and Fitzgerald stayed in there doggedly, and rightly so, since Walton has proven himself in the past to be willing to be persuaded by a good argument. He isn't intractable. Fitzgerald was quite insistent that Walton insert language telling the jury exactly what he found vague, namely the words "not humanly possible," so if the jury needed more clarification they would know where to focus further questions. Walton eventually relented, and it just seemed like Jeffress sort of gave up. I expected him to fight a little harder, to find some pretext to keep the wording ambiguous but he didn't. Maybe in the grand scheme of things it wasn't a big decision, but in the moment it seemed quite portentious. The body language of everyone on the prosecution eased considerably after Walton adopted their language.
And now for the question everyone wants answered — what was Barbara Comstock wearing? It was a black suit with a big bow tied around the waist in front, and it was hard to know whether it was two decades out of style or a poorly executed modern nod to 80s fashion. Perhaps it represents a tailoring detail specific to the needs of watermelon hunting or something we know nothing about. The obscenely expensive Birkin bags were nowhere in evidence but the three inch roots that could've been touched up with a $100 trip to the salon definitely were, so we know conspicuous consumption still trumps simple, appropriate maintenance in the GOP flak handbook.
Who am I to quibble, getting Mel Sembler to keep adding zeros to the end of that check is alas a skill I do not possess. Whatever it takes, I suppose.
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Madness!
Jane!
FITZ!
There’s something wrong with the photo… Mods, cleanup at the top of the post!
Fitz!!!
We’re working on the picture issue — we’re having a hiccup.
The photo is showing the name of the file melon.jpg not the image.
I think Jane has no problem sleeping. Snark fully intact.
It seems that it’s good for the prosecution’s case if the jury really “gets into it” and closely examines the facts of the case. But it also seems like at some point the jury can jump the shark by starting to second guess the judge and his instructions. How much of a danger is this and what are the downsides of an incisive jury, or is a detail-driven jury usually a very good thing?
Poor Barbara Comstock. Ten thousand dollars’ worth of purse, but can’t find her way to the hair stylist.
Oh, the humanity.
-S
Get a grip, there, Roy! Sometimes “not humanly possible” means just “not humanly possible.”
Prediction: the jury will rewrite the question, eliminating the awkward (but not ungrammatical) double negative but retaining the offending (!) phrase “not humanly possible,” and Roy will feign incomprehension yet again, and there will be extra days of waiting and extra cookies, and a good time will be had by all who get cookies.
I slept very well this weekend, thanks very much. It was cold in Connecticut and we were treated to the spectacle of “poodles on ice.” They like the snow but as California dogs they are having a few adjustment issues.
The roots can be touched up with a $7.00 package of Clairol Root Touch-up. It’s quick and effective and doesn’t require an appointment. Ok, 3″ is a bit extreme so I’m guessing she really wants to grow the color out and go white. Could be stunning on the right person. Emmylou Harris looks fantastic with white hair.
If everyone can refresh their page, the photo is now working.
I think the Mods deserve a huge thankyou, after this Saturday Night’s Special I should think all their senses (and sensibilities) are numb.
portia.vz @
13
You beat me to it!
Oh, Jane. You approach the master, James Wolcott in your snarkiness! I bow in awe.
Can that juror who was dismissed discuss the case at all?
Can anyone spell p-a-r-d-o-n? Libby wins either way.
I long for the days when I had roots to think about.
portia.vz @
13
The roots are brown and if she wants to grow them out a temporary dark wash would be advisable.
Just my two cents.
Oh, my. Is that a caged watermelon hunt, a la Cheney, or a wild one?
The woman’s imagination is breathtaking.
Hello Jane and MT — thanks so much!!
Unum @ 19
What is this ‘pardon’ thing of which you speak?
Unum @ 19
Libby loses if he’s pardoned. He’ll have to answer questions in the civil suit that will be waiting outside the courthouse when the jury comes back.
Scarecrow – 707!
Why is there a watermelon there?
Kagro has a good one up, worth reading. There’s more to the DOJ firings abuse than we may be ready to look at.
Swopa @ 27
What are you talking about? The rest of us see a picture of Cheney.
Swopa @ 27
Ode to Comstock’s days with Dan Burton.
Follow the link, Swopa….
O/T but,
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/5/131830/1367
Swopa, per the link above, Babs worked for cong.critter who “executed” watermelon to reenact Vince Foster “murder”
and I thought we were going to “plug it” w/ tequilla per last thread
Swopa –
“Her name is Barbara Comstock, a minor figure from the Whitewater era, when she served as “chief investigator” for Rep. Dan Burton, the wigged-out Indiana congressman who once executed a watermelon to demonstrate his sinister theory concerning the fate of Vince Foster, the White House counsel who committed suicide in 1993. During those glory years, she joined David Brock and the rest of the Republican pack in the hunting of Bill and Hillary Clinton. In his memoir, “Blinded by the Right,” Brock described Comstock as almost unhinged in her passion to bring down the Clintons.”
- From the Conason article linked above
Swopa @ 27
from the Salon article:
If only they could have gotten a photo of a watermelon with 3″ roots.
sweet jane
Jane Hamsher @
21
Maybe she’s just tired of being a sex symbol. I have days like that.
Is that a seedless watermelon?
Man. Remember when I said that Fitz was off my Christmas list if he’s a cat person?
Well, Jane, however, is not off my Christmas card list for being a catty person. Not in the least.
What’s with the watermelon?- this ain’t no picnic- and it ain’t June teenth..Got people in the courtroom spittin seeds?
I think that Walton is showing confidence that the jury will come back with the right decision and giving the defense next to nothing with which to successfully appeal his handling of the case.
Jane Hamsher @
12
“Poodles on Ice” would be great on YouTube….
RevDeb, before I go over there and deal with BP rise, this doesn’t have anything to do with 08 does it?? was so struck by that little Rove Oppo Borg being placed in Ark. just before HRC gets a goin’ – I know it usually falls under the State Attorneys General purview, but admit to the tin foil
“Well, Jane, however, is not off my Christmas card list for being a catty person. Not in the least.”
Catfight. (My money’s on Jane.)
Barbara’s hairdo must keep the flies off the watermelon though…
Ah yes, by all means plug the watermelon.
I have a vague recollection of a smoke filled basement in DC and watermelon-tequila drinks.
I blame Richard Melon Scaife
Jane, has Comstock fessed up to making off with your purse yet? *allegedly*
punaise @ 46
Don’t forget John Mellon Camp.
Speaking of bad hair
Biden Trails Early in Home State
http://publicmind.fdu.edu/bidentrails/
In the First State, Delaware Senator Joe Biden polls behind national leader Hillary Clinton by 13 points and is tied with Illinois Senator Barack Obama.
Interested Observer @ 40
Walton has always been super cautious though. Even during those (now-wasted) pre-trial hearings, he always seemed like a careful fellow.
RevDeb and others –
TPM Muckraker reports that the DOJ person in charge of firing the US Attorneys has now resigned. Original story here, and update here.
Says Josh, “The DOJ spokesman insists Battle’s “departure is not connected to the U.S. attorney controversy whatsoever.” This story is still awash with coincidences.”
Strategerie @ 10
You can get a very nice root touch up out of a box for six bucks.
Jane and EW–
When do you get to have your lives back so you can use your expertise in expensive bags and fixing sick businesses and making movies and touching up roots?
It might be a little while before we get our country back, ya’ know.
In the meantime, we’re glad you’re out there to name names.
But I sure do look forward to the day when you get to use your powers of observation on something that feels better than this slime.
Scarecrow, Jane, cbl, Jacrat…
Sorry. Inside joke. :)
portia.vz @ 36
Best. Comment. Ever.
-S
Swopa @
54
No apology necessary. Our wit is a tad worn these days. Was just in ‘helpful’ mode. Snark away!
Peterr @ 51
Saw that earlier. Do read
KagroX
we are headed in so many ways into a constitutional crisis it boggles the mind. Hard to know which piece of it will crack first.
portia.vz @ 13
No no, These are darks roots on over processed bleach blond
Strategerie @ 55
I had a day like that, everyone pointed and said, “You’re a dick”.
OT
Looks like Wes Clark lost all of my support and makes it clear he wont be running for Mark Pryors Senate seat by announcing his support of our Jr Lieberman.
excerpt from an email from Clark this afternoon:
Dear Eureka,
Click here to RSVP for Sen. Mark Pryor’s re-election kick-off event!
Please join General Wes & Gert Clark and Governor Mike & Ginger Beebe as they co-host a reception for Senator Mark Pryor in Little Rock kicking off his re-election campaign! General Clark is a strong supporter of Sen. Pryor and his work in the U.S. Senate, and he wants to help him show his campaign’s strength early on in the race.
What: Sen. Mark Pryor’s re-election kick-off reception co-hosted by General Wes & Gert Clark and Governor Mike & Ginger Beebe, featuring “The Groan Ups” and many special guests.
When: Saturday, March 10th
7:00-9:00pm.
Where: Peabody Ballroom
Three Statehouse Plaza
Little Rock, AR, 72201
Why do I keep hearing the Jeapordy music in my head playing over and over and over and over again?
Walton needs to do his best Alex Trebek imitation: “Jury, I’m going to need a verdict.”
(And, of course, the jury: “What is ‘guilty on all charges?’”)
Dan Burton executed a watermelon to illustrate how Vince Foster was “murdered”?
How did I miss that one? I’m glad I did — my head might have exploded if I’d heard.
I only learned how to do a controlled head implosion after the start of the Bush presidency. Such much easier to clean up….
EPU’d from downstairs
Harry says@175
emptywheel @ 38
Hey now, some of us just prefer a little more lovable chaos in our lives!
looseheadprop @
58
See? See? I’m not the only one. We sit behind her every day. It’s…rather…impossible not to notice.
Swopa @
27
‘Cause no matter where you go …
[re-lurk]
Swopa:
Touche!
Jacqrat @
34
There was a great video of an exploding watermelon I really wanted to use, but the rights were a bit steep.
http://www.fotosearch.com/ATB425/um123/
“No matter where you go, there you are.”
Marcy,
Lunesta was released in 2005. My eyes start to cross 10 minutes after I take it, then I’m out cold. Ambien doesn’t work for me, either; I’ve never tried the older stuff. Benadryl and EtOH interfere with REM sleep. Rozerem is the most recent med; it works on melatonin receptors and is likely better for phase shifting (it doesn’t do much for me).
(Sorry for being OT. Back to lurking.)
CNN – cheney had pains in one of his legs from all the air travel – test shows it is DVT
Re: Barbara Comstock’s brown roots:
Yeah, Clairol Touch-Up won’t help with that. It’s really only good for hiding gray roots. Not that I have any gray roots. I just heard about it from Tim Russert….
There was a period during Sex and the City’s run when Sarah Jessica Parker decided it was sexy for her brown roots to show. She let the blond highlights on brown hair (bad enough) grow out, so that she looked like she had very dirty hair with fried blond ends.
I never understood why she was the fashion icon of the show.
Why does Barbara Comstock hate American watermelons?
vice prez has a blood clot in his leg -
“simple appropriate maintenance” will hereby be entered into the
Punaise Pantheon O’ Bon Mots …….
Breaking News from CNN: Cheney has a blood clot in his leg.
just announced on CNN
about the veep…
emptywheel @ 38
He’s not a cat person. He is a mammal person and could not commit to being home early enough to walk a dog. Cats have litter boxes. However, he was away from home so much, that the cat saw him as a stranger and would attack his ankles, so the cat had to get a better home.
He would not adpt any fish. Fish would have been good pets for him because in a pinch you can get these slow release feeder pellets. But he wanted furry, hence the cat.
Blood clot
twolf1 @ 71:
Among his many ailments, Darth has gout–from too much drinking.
Maybe this was discussed in the last thread, but I don’t understand how Walton could say he doesn’t understand what the jury is asking. “not humanly possible” means “beyond the capacity of any human being”. The anecdote of the woman who lifted a car isn’t an example of something “not humanly possible”, as obviously some humans can do such a thing. It isn’t humanly possible for me to be in two places at once. It isn’t humanly possible for me to breathe underwater without gear. How is that not clear?
Biodun @ 80
Will he be treated at Walter Reed?
twolf1 @ 71
I’m surprised half of us don’t have this from sitting all day reading the liveblogging at FDL.
everybody, get up and move around!
de-lurking
Burton’s a major slimeball
maybe he’ll root around in bab’s hair.
me thinks: a lovely shade of green
back to my perch
P J Evans @
25
Bush will lose much of the CIA, especially the Directorate of Operations, if he pardons Libby.
I suspect the CIA will make it clear to Bush that a pardon for Libby is NOT an acceptable option. Much as they did to Clinton when Bill was considering a pardon for Jonathan Pollard (convicted for spying for Israel).
You got to move on those long flights – even a couple of strolls down the aisle will help.
Jane Hamsher @ 65
Maybe these are the roots that turn together…Scooter’s poetic moment.
motherlowman @ 82
LOL~!
Walter Reed hearing over 5 1/2 hours after it started.
They will replay the beginning again in a few minutes.
Breaking, Starting now.
looseheadprop @ 78
Fitz would never prefer an emotionally shallow animal.
Swopa @ 27
I’ll tell you later…
Thank you, Swopa – I needed that!
will cheney make his graceful exit now?
looseheadprop @ 78
It’s all moot. There is no Christmas card list. I’m the world’s biggest Christmas scrooge. And just haven’t settled on another yearly holiday to send letters. The only holiday we celebrate is birthday-anniversary-birthday complex, coming up later this month.
I suppose I could start signing cards now for that. Hey Jane–want to go into a March-Card list together?
mayan @ 87
that’s funny
I’m confused. Was the Walton note given to the jury without the jury coming into the courtroom?
mayan @ 87:
Brilliant.
Well, this filthy left-wing liberal progressive Satan-worshipping homo blog-commenter hopes Vice President Cheney recovers completely and totally!
(Take that, MM & Howie Kurtz!!)
lolo @ 76
whose blood is it?
Biodun @ 80
Ah, gin splints…
;>)
TeddySanFran @ 97
TSF, don’t you know?? The comments never matter!
TeddySanFran @ 97
… and Joke Line
annx @ 86
too bad he was hiding from the press the whole trip, he only has himself to blame.
TeddySanFran @ 97
Maybe we should send a nice get-well card. I’d sign that.
Cheney had surgery for this once already IIRC.
The roots were the first thing I noticed sitting behind her in the courtroom. Particularly as she was sitting next to Mrs. Libby who has great hair, which as Arianna said, could be in a Clairol commercial.
Sorry to join the snark, but roots are a pet peeve of mine. Specially here in Denver, where it only costs $50 to do your whole head in a top salon. (highlights a little extra.)
fahrender @
98
We have a nice building at Walter Reed for him to Re-Coop in………..
“Laugh while you can monkeyboy!” Prof. L
TalkLeft @ 105
Jeralyn!
Think the jury is done with their cookie break yet?
I still can’t believe the watermelon story. Dan Burton … what a nut.
There’s a classic picture of an exploding banana by photog pioneer Doc Edgerton. here: Edgerton
Just in case it might come in useful….
So who was it that first suggested that when the verdict came down, Dead-eye’s health would go south (conveniently)
Peterr @ 51
They just needed to open up a high-level position to gild the resume of another Rove opposition researcher. There’s no *wrong-doing* involved. Perish the thought.
Only a paranoid liberal moonbat would think such a thing.
scarecrow @ 29
rawstory has a breaking headline that Cheney has a bloodclot in his leg. Perhaps the picture is of that clot?
TalkLeft @ 109
Oh no, we cut them off of cookies last week–not until the budget supplemental gets passed, with full funding for education and veterdans/military health care.
We had to cut somewhere and it seemed like a prudent move.
Breaking: Vice President Cheney treated for blood clot in his leg after experiencing discomfort in calf.
I hate to ask – is this a Santorumesque moment?
TeddySanFran @ 97
Somewhere there is a cell with his name on it. It’d be a shame if the Vice President didn’t get a chance to occupy it.
TeddySanFran @ 97
Stop your civilling, mister
;>)
OHHH Tierny ripping on the Walter Reed problem asking if it because of the same people who predicted us being greeted as liberators in Iraq.
Smackdown in progress.
litigator mom
Are talking about the fish?
Littleprop used to have a Beta Fish named Gus. Damn thing lived soemthing like 3 times longer than the petstore said it would. It would come on command. tehy had little games they played. Damn thing did tricks.
When Gus died a family friend got her another beta fish. She won’t even look at it. WOn’t name it. “We call it Mr. Fish”, all b/c “no one can replace Gus”.
Gus and Littleprop were quie bonded. In fact, Gus died while she was in Boston for two weeks visiting my sister (and not from neglect or overfeeding). Ex- Mr. Prop thought the fish died b/c he thought Littleprop was gone for good.
TeddySanFran @ 97
You go Teddy!
Jeralyn…would the jury have to have found guilty on some of counts 2 thru 5 to even be considering count 1?
ew @ 93, lhp @ 78
Maybe he should have gotten two cats. At least then they’d have company. (My furry fiend is much happier with other cats around. Unfortunately I live in a no-pets place.)
punaise @ 116
Santorum – as in the new meaning of santorum? The frothy kind!
pwrlght @ 124
as in “gettin’ frisky with the barnyard critters”
punaise @ 116
BAD Punaise…a spew alert would have been nice!
OK
This is just getting silly. ANd my brief is not getting written. I got a motion due Friday and all I’m doing is refeshing comments.
Bad, bad undisiciplined PrOP!
According to CNN.com, Cheney was given blood thinners and returned to work.
There are no sick days when you’re the President’s Ventriloqist.
Elliott @
83
Why do you think Vice has one. Another FDL addict, I bet.
lolo @
76
So if (when) Libby is convicted, Dick now has a good (i.e., non-political) excuse to resign?
litigatormom @ 128
uh-oh
that’s what they gave to Ariel Sharon
looseheadprop @ 120
No, I was paraphrasing Robert DeNiro’s line in “Meet The Parents” — DeNiro (whose character dotes on a Himilayan kitty named Mr. Jinx) asks future son-in-law Ben Stiller if he likes cats. Stiller replies, “I’m more of a dog person.” DeNiro replies: “So, Greg, you prefer an emotionally shallow animal.”
This is shortly before DeNiro hooks Stiller up to a lie detector.
P J Evans @ 123
As the head of a two cat household, I hear a lot of people espouse this plan as a solution for people who don’t have time enough for their pets, and I vehemently disagree.
If you don’t have the time to properly take care of the chaos that one cat creates, you most certainly can’t handle *two* of them.
Many people argue that they can keep each other company, and it’s true to a certain extent, but try to remember that when you’ve got two poor pathetic mewling kitties looking up at you begging for your attention, each of them more than willing to look completely crestfallen if you choose the other…
lolo @
76
oh well… stuff happens, i’ve heard…
sympathy abounds…
just checkin’ in on the courtroom…
nothin yet, eh?
Jane Hamsher @ 68
Great link! so many metaphors come to mind after seeing that…
litigatormom @ 128
Do they mean “an increased dosage above his regular blood-thinner regimen”
wtf???
(The compliance of TradMed continues to amaze me….)
Jane Hamsher @ 12
Jane, how do you get your dogs back and forth across the country? Do you fly them?
Elliott @ 94
But wait–the roots are connected!
How does that work? Jeralyn, you understand about this trial and about Colorado aspens, maybe you know how they connect their roots?
are we there yet?
looseheadprop @ 127
I promised I was going to do a report for the local Dems. But did I? Nope. And I’m here doing nada.
DakkonA @
81
“Not humanly possible” may have a contentious, exaggerated, connotation.
I suspect Walton wanted to have the jurors discuss the question more, and possibly rephrase it to something less potentially prejudicial before offering guidance on the it.
litigatormom @ 132
Oh. My bad.
Actually I although I am not a Ben Stiller fan, I like that movie quite a lot. It was filmed around where I live and many of the scenes contain locations that I recognize.
I also love DiNiro being funny
I thought it was okay to eat fish, cause they don’t have any feelings?
{returns to lurktitude}
Did anyone tell Bush about Cheney’s health episode or did they just let him go on his bike rides?
“Breaking News from CNN: Cheney has a blood clot in his leg.” The Nixonian phlebitis gambit?
I grew up a dog person and never liked cats – until I adopted one. As someone who once had 4 dogs at once – I like cats.
That question is in the form anyone who remembers logic or programming 101 will recognize. It is the double negative form necessary to defeat the Devil in logic conundrums. Remember, the Devil’s only rule is that he ALWAYS lies. So the form, “If I were to ask you if blaa-blaa-blaa, would you say yes…” always defeats the poor devil because he would have lied, but now (thanks to clever logical semantics) he must now lie about his lie and answer in the affirmative.
This double negative question is a version of the same form having passed through De Morgan’s Law to arrive at it’s logical reverse; but, the intent is the same, to catch the Devil in a trap of his own words. I, for one, hope they catch him!
pwrlght @ 146
my experience too.
emptywheel @ 140
I just canceled a job interview, I can’t bear to leave the house
Classic Cheney media coverage: when the “highlights” are as long as the “story:”
emptywheel @ 140
I’m gonna need a 12 Step program soon to deal with my FDL addiction. Itook the whole weekend away from the computer. You’d think that after 2 1/2 days of DFDL sobriety I would have a little self control? But NOOOOOO
Teresa @
122
No. Counts 2 (Russert) and 3 (Cooper)are false statements to the FBI during the fall of 2003. Counts 4 and 5 are perjury to the grand jury. The obstruction count relates only to perjury before the grand jury (counts 4 and 5), not counts 2 and 3.
The confusion may be because the obstruction charge refers to three statements, the first two of which pertain to Russert and the third to Cooper. Last week the jury was confused over Count 3 (false statement, Cooper) and sent a note. This time they’re confused over the third statement in Count 1 (obstruction, Cooper, which refers back to Count 5, perjury Cooper.)
If I just made it more confusing, sorry.
Wil @ 149
You win! The true despair of a Plame junkie.
At least I have the excuse of being stuck here with no phone!
Wil @ 149
You Win.
sdf (Stu) @ 143
Nope. Littleprop still won’t eat fish for dinner ’cause “it might be Gus’s cousin”
Wil @ 149 – Go to your job interview. We are not getting a verdict today.
Eureka @ 60..gag me..
looseheadprop @ 155
Sounds like your very smart daughter thought of a very good excuse to avoid a food she doesn’t like.
TeddySanFran @ 136:
The breaking news alert didn’t say anything about dosage, or what he’s already taking in terms of blood thinners.
Personally, I don’t believe that Cheney has blood.
…we know conspicuous consumption still trumps simple, appropriate maintenance in the GOP flak handbook.
Honest Question … Not Snark.
How is it “conspicuous consumption” when Comstock is not spending money on her hair style? Perhaps she thinks it fashionable to imitate the drug-addled celebrities who expose their dark roots, along with their crotches.
The phrase “conspicuous consumption” must have been coined to describe the proto-neocons of that day.
johnSwifty @ 147
You know the part that frightens me? I think I actually followed that
looseheadprop @
151
well I came in to work today determined not to post a comment until we have a verdict. so please disregard the comments I may have made today.
Thanks, Jeralyn.
emptywheel @ 153
is my prize 5 guilties?
looseheadprop @ 151
HOW on earth did you last 2 1/2 days!
litigatormom @ 159
They might need to substitute motor oil with all the hardware in there
Teresa @
122
Don’t you wish you had our legal system!
There is no such thing as a jury trial in Germany, though court procedures are otherwise similar to those in the US, Under German law the accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty. In minor cases there may be only a single judge presiding. Or, if the charges are severe and the accused faces heavy penalties, there may be five persons hearing the case; three professional judges and two lay judges.
Formal pleas of “guilty” or “not guilty” do not exist in German trials. An accused party can’t plead guilty in order to receive a lesser punishment. Hearsay evidence and, under certain conditions, depositions of absent witnesses can be admitted as evidence in a German court. The attendance of witnesses and the production of evidence can be compelled.
We have innumerably better avenues for having fun at Cheney’s expense than to joke about his DVT, which can kill (cf David Bloom).
emptywheel @ 158
No, she used to love fish. Especailly tilapia.
Now the only fish she eats is tuna and mullosks. She saw whole tuna once at the fish market and said nothing that ugly could be related to her beautiful Gus (he really was a pretty fish. Peacock blue with fushia)
Jeralyn, so the jury is as confused as I am maybe. Since only four and five pertain to perjury I would assume that they have finished with those counts. (I hope.)
pwrlght @
156
Famous last words. They’ll decide at 4:55 and then where will we be?
Judge Walton is careful about instructions, as that is one of the few things that happen in a trial that can be grounds for a successful appeal. Evidentiary rulings, which are actually more critical, are reviewed on a lenient “abuse of discretion” standard. Jury instructions are reviewed on an “error of law” standard. Asking the jury to clarify “not humanly possible” is the safest course. Giving anything other than a complete reference to the definition of reasonable doubt found in the original instructions risks an appellate court saying that the trial court’s second instruction on reasonable doubt was incomplete and inaccurate. To nail this inevitable conviction down we need a bullet-proof appeal. Judge Walton is assuring us that with his caution.
OK, I’m giving them til 3 o’clock central and then I’m going to go have breakfast.
Health and Medical History of Richard B. Cheney
Polly @ 160
No, Jane caught babs running around with a handbag that costs thousands of dollars. That’s the conspicuous consumption part of it
portia.vz @ 171
From your lips to . . .
JeffinBerlin @ 167- I thought you lived in New Hampshire! :-)
Elliott @ 165
No computer at all. No email. No nuttin’. Which is why I didn’t know that my post about the slaughter of the US Attorneys went up yesterday. I didn’t read Christy’s email until today. Sorry I missed the thread folks.
portia.vz @ 171
my thought eactly- I just can’t risk it, plus it was a bullshit, temp job
We may not get a verdict today, but they’ll probably find a nice note to tease us with.
Polly @ 160
Will we one day refer to post-neocons?
Pat_AlexVA @ 180
That is what I am thinking too.
laurie9 @ 177
I think this is another Jeff or Jeffrey – there seems to be quite a few floating around – I live in Berlin, Germany – hence the Jeff in Berlin.
JeffinBerlin, I think I’d rather take my chances here with an attorney like Jeralyn beside me if I was accused of a crime. But, we’d probably have a decision by now under your system.
I grew up a cat person until my husband insisted on a standard poodle for his birthday many years ago. Now we have four dogs – poodle (the second one which I acquired after the first one died at age eleven), a lab and two grown labradoodle pups. And they are all mine! (I also have three cats. I still love cats. Oh yes and the fish, too . . .)
ralphbon @ 168
everyone cares. we’re bleeding-heart liberals. remember?
David Bloom’s fate was a senseless, unnecessary, heart-breaking loss of a very nice fellow who didn’t have to die.
There’s too much of that going around these days.
I say impeach that clot.
Wil @ 179
Look at it this way. We won’t get a verdict until you go to youe job interview. Don’t you know that’s how life works – at least my life. My Karma has a good sense of humor.
Okay – any lawyers out there. Is it good news or bad that the jury hasn’t come back with a follow up question about reasonable doubt?
Pat_AlexVA @ 180
Yup, incoming, in 2 minutes.
laurie9 @ 177
Outsnarked – I forgot there was one there as well ;-)
new thread up top, fyi.
dab_from_ct @ 188
Good news. The jury reread the reasonable doubt instruction they were given originally and the one holdout realized he was setting the bar too high with this nonsense about “not humanly possible.”
Pat_AlexVA @ 180
They have spent all afternoon drafting with exquisite precision an inquiry in response to Walton’s non-response to their inquiry.
They are attempting to fit the word “not” nine times into three sentences.
Millineryman @ 49
Ouch. That must hurt
emptywheel @ 189
Note / Verdict – what is coming?
This jury has me spooked so I can’t imagine what Fitz is going through.
Polly @
160
“Conspicuous consumption” refers to the $10,000 Birkin bag Comstock carries.
“Simple, appropriate maintenance” refers to taking care of your hair.
emptywheel @ 189
Seriously?
See, just when I was considering thinking of possibly intending to do something useful.
{wipes forehead} phew!
fresh post, titled “People, Not Props” at the top.~
TeddySanFran @ 174
Cheney has had major surgeries in the recent past that have been incredibly underreported. Now he has a little ol’ clot (he’s had them before) and it makes CNN. What gives? Perhaps a little sympathy spin has been ordered. Good thinking, Karl.
can someone please help me find the thread(s) other then the one below which describe who was selected for the jury? i’ve been scrolling thru so many prior fdl threads looking for it – i’m exasperated.
thanx
Libby Voir Dire, the Never-Ending Story
By: emptywheel
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…../#comments
dab_from_ct @ 188
Who the hell knows? We’re all just speculating/makin’ stuff up.
Jury deliberations are secret. Only they know what’s going on.
The rest is just hunches
Completely OT, but why does Bush need to have this many people with him for a TWO day trip to Uruguay?
‘The US president will be accompanied by a delegation composed of over 2,500 people, including his wife Laura and State Secretary Condoleezza Rice, according to La Republica daily.’
looseheadprop @ 178
You have to keep an eye on them. I hide my posts anymore. ;-)
Are we moving to the new thread or waiting for the note here?
TeddySanFran @
136
GMTA, Teddy, I had the same thought. Awfully damned fishy that a guy who literally travels with his own hospital — ambulance and all — because of his heart history isn’t already on Coumadin and Plavix, wearing support stockings and using compression massage equipment while traveling.
I call bullsh*t. They’re prepping him for “failing health” excuse to exit.
punaise @
116
“Sodomy, Fellatio, etc…
Father, why do these words sound so nasty?”
ah, yes, happy “Hair” days are here again. Thank you.
Regarding the jury not coming back with a follow-up, I wouldn’t read much into it. In my experience with juries, I have occasionally been right in reading the tea leaves but more often wrong. So I would say they got enough out of the response from Walton to know they aren’t
to going to get much help.
I second the question about where to go for new note news.
The roots comments are really catty.
If you’ll notice, Kathleen Kedian’s roots are showing too…..
Who cares?
There is a faster acting, injectable blood thinner that they use while waiting for Coumadin changes to take effect.
emptywheel @
189
Jury foreman looks at note from Walton quizically. Passes note around. Other juror’s look puzzled. Foremen hastily scribbles on a slip of paper:
“What do you mean by “What do you mean by humanly possible?”?”
or is Marcy pulling our legs?
Badwater @ 144
They called him back inside briefly so he could sign the de-clotification form.
bdu @ 133
Chaos can be any number of cats. Mostly it’s a matter of balancing the time you have available with the cat’s request for all your time (as in 24/7).
(I come from a cat family. The first cat I remember was three months older than me.)
Badwater @
181
Fukuyama.
(Pause.)
Allegedly.
Did anyone tell Bush about Cheney’s health episode or did they just let him go on his bike rides?
They called him back inside briefly so he could sign the de-clotification form.
Not fair, just sprayed my cat with coffee…..
New thread from Marcy.
wrt to Barbara Comstock’s wardrobe – I like retro and vintage as much as the next person – but only the best, most fun clothes from days gone by – not ugly stuff that every sane person is happy is long out of fashion.
Seems like Comstock is trying to be the poster girl for the rightwing regressionists – “we must harken back to a better time when men were men and women knew their place – and everyone dressed appropriately – watch me and learn.”
Rayne @ 206
Any excuse for Cheney to resign is fine by me.
The roots in question appear 1:10 minutes into this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uvUun…..gspot.com/
This jury is lost. Walton’s answer should have been “no,” as the prosecutor is not required to present scientific evidence that Libby could not have a memeory problem. They’re beasically saying they won’t convict absent this type of evidence which means they’ve missed the point. The Gov is asking for a verdict based on common sense in the face of Libby’s defense and the jurors are declining to exercise common sense, instead looking for science specific to Libby that does not exist, (a general memory expert would not be probative as to Mr. Libby’s abaility to remember facts). Basically the Gov is asking the jurors if they believe a guy like Libby ever misremembers anything, given his job and duties, and therefore knowingly lied and obstructed justice. The defense is asking them to believe Libby just plain old forgot things as did the witnesses against him, so to mean that even if the witnesses are right about what happened, Libby’s mistakes were innocent, not purposeful. Fitz laid out Libby’s alleged motive and the defense said it was no motive at all. The Court turned it over to the jury to decide and now they are discussing anything but the actual evidence in the case. They are discussin gthe case they would have liked to seen rather than the one they did see. Libby is going ot be acquitted.
Lawyer Smith @ 222
I agree, or hung jury. If the jury thinks the government has to prove a negative, Fitz has a jury that is thinking too much.
P J Evans @ 215
I agree, though my point is that I don’t believe it’s possible in any way to decrease the chaos by increasing the number of animals.
Along with my two cats, I sometimes birdsit a green cheeked conure. Let me tell you, an irritable bird (since he’s away from home) two cats who have fixed their interest on said bird, now THAT’s fun.
By the way, Lwyers like myself often lament that nost people qualified to be jurors are not qualified to be jurors. Yes, the implication being that most groups of twelve people are too stupid to follow a case, understand the law and decide important issues. Just look at these people, instead of relying on the evidence they want science to tell them what to do. Sheep.
O.K., I guess as an officer of the Court I have to apologize for the comment above about most juror’s intelligence and retract it entirely. Trials are human events full of human errors.
Lawyer Smith @ 226
Those of us that have tried cases have inevitably had more than a few lousy juries. Sometimes no explaining or understanding how they reach a result. This jury should have been back with a conviction within 24 hours.
litigatormom @ 159
He’ll escape to the hospital just as soon as the guilty verdict comes in and then reporters won’t have access to him. A little different version of the rehab escape when one gets caught.
champollion @
227
you pick the juries…..
Two weeks of deliberating and they come back asking for a defintion of reasonable doubt…So discouraging.
Barbara’s roots connect her to Libby.
Adie @186. I’m with you. I want the man to arrive at the Hague in sterling health.
Jane who is doing time in the hallway?
I would still like one MSM journalist to interview the folks who have been coming to the trial for the whole month. The one reading and watching in the hallway. Iowa farmer, retired teacher from New York, retired state department employee. It would make for a great story ..why are they there? What is their take on the trial? etc. etc.