
Judge Reggie Walton issued a Memorandum Opinion on Friday which details a number of the legal issues which were the most contentiously argued during the course of the Libby trial. Not surprisingly, these issues also track the most likely suspects for Team Libby to use on appeal if Libby happens to be convicted by the jury, because they track the objections most loudly and vociferously raised by Ted Wells and William Jeffress over the course of the trial.
As emptywheel noted yesterday, Friday was the final day for Judge Walton's prior law clerk — who had been working diligently on this case and for the judge for the last few years. It is not surprising, therefore, that the judge would want his outgoing clerk, who had been present for every motions hearing, every CIPA hearing, every hearsay dispute, even more CIPA hearings, all of the exhibits haggles, and yet more CIPA hearings, to be the one who worked on the substantial portion of the trial memoranda with the judge. (To bring in a new clerk for that, who would then have had to get up to speed on the case file and the judge's writing preferences within a few short days, might have constituted cruel and unusual punishment.)
The opinion is forty-eight pages in length, but it is a fairly tightly constructed outline of the major haggles over the course of trial. And the overarching theme comes down to the fact that Team Libby kept attempting to put shiny, not-so-relevant objects in front of the jury to distract them from the core questions raised in the indictment, that the government lawyers consistently argued against this, and that Judge Walton is no fan of distractions that are tangential and likely to drag the trial down some irrelevant zigzag to Distractionville.
Shorter Judge Walton: just say no to shiny objects.
The first segment of the opinion deals with the defense attempt to call Andrea Mitchell as a potential impeachment witness for Tim Russert, with the thought being that if Andrea Mitchell may have known something she now says she didn't know, that she might have told Tim Russert something that Tim Russert says she didn't tell him because he didn't know it either. (Is that clear enough for everyone?) Judge Walton said that this was a speculative attempt to use information that Mitchell had already claimed has been misspoken, and frankly it was without any corroboration other than Mitchell opening her mouth and inserting her foot on CNBC.
Honestly, though, the opinion is worth a read all by itself for the judge's description of that October 2003 Capitol Report appearance on CNBC, and the discussion of whether it does or does not meet the legal criteria of trustworthiness.
The gist of the Mitchell portion is that the defense team could not call her to then use some prior statement of hers to impeach her and also to impeach Russert without there being some evidence somewhere that there was some basis in fact (and not speculative fantasy) that Mitchell was doing anything other than stupidly trying to appear "in the know." (Yes, I know, the endless realms of competence are exhausting, aren't they?) Rule 607 of the Federal Rules of Evidence prevent a party from using a prior inconsistent statement of a witness for the primary purpose of exposing the jury to otherwise inadmissible evidence.
In other words, remember that whole "bootstrapping" the classified materials in through Craig Schmall argument way back in the testimony, wherein Team Libby tried to get in otherwise inadmissible memory defense evidence without Libby having to testify? It's like that, except using Andrea Mitchell as the vessel of the information that they couldn't wedge into trial otherwise — or, as I like to call her, shiny object number one — because her probative value is substantially outweighed by her ability to be prejudicial, under Rule 403.
The next portion of the opinion deals with the state of mind evidence that Team Libby was trying to sneak in the back door of trial without ever putting Libby on the stand. Judge Walton was quite clear up front that he would not countenance this sort of tactical machination unless and until Libby had testified, because others could imply knowledge, there could be the introduction of extrinsic evidence of Libby (notes, papers, remembrances of temperament and action, etc.) from others (such as John Hannah, Jenny Mayfield, or Dick Cheney), but that without the testimony from the defendant himself, no clear evidence of state of mind could be produced for the jury — and that any inferences thereon could not be for the truth of the matter asserted — or for the truth of the ultimate legal question in this case for the defense: did Scooter's hard job make him lie?
I've said it previously, and it proved true here as well: the good stuff is always in the footnotes. Consider footnote 14, wherein the court details that the government found no less than fourteen instances during the CIPA proceedings alone where representations were made that the defendant planned to testify, and that decisions of the prosecution and the judge were made based on those representations (including nine statements wherein Judge Walton prefaced his ruling with some assumption that the defendant would testify and therefore something would be decided a certain way). Judge Walton made it abundantly clear in his opinion that, of course, the defendant retained a right to not testify at trial, as all defendants do, but that affirmative representations of testimony having been repeatedly made by defense counsel, certain decisions were rendered only due to those representations — which turned out not to be accurate.
My sense is that Judge Walton is less than pleased, but that is just an inference that I am picking up from the abrupt tone of this portion of the opinion. (And from watching him discuss this issue up close in court prior to closings.)
The reason for pique at this? Because Libby was allowed to wedge in a number of national security matter issues that would not otherwise have been admissible, but because he did not take the stand in his defense, the government was deprived of their ability to cross-examine him with regard to the extent to which these matters were actually his focus in the days in question. Or whether his mind was on other matters entirely (say, political payback to Joe Wilson for questioning his boss, Dick Cheney). This allowed the defendant to tap dance around matters that were a common theme for him on a day to day basis, without ever having to explain that this was his daily job and that his mind was, in fact, occupied with other pressing issues (such as, say, CYA for his boss, Dick Cheney).
One of the funnier footnotes is a short one at footnote 18, wherein the judge discusses the fact that the defendant, via counsel John Cline, was able to elicit detailed testimony from the CIA briefer Craig Schmall, about the 6/14/03 briefing, "the day he [Libby] asked about Mr. Wilson's wife." Subtle working in of the important point of the testimony by either the judge or his clerk. Nicely done.
Oh, and speaking of Dick Cheney, look who shows up in footnote 29, wherein the court discusses the number of people that could have presented extrinsic evidence regarding Libby's state of mind at the time in question. Mentioned are John Hannah, David Addington, Jenny Mayfield, and…oh, look, it's Dick Cheney. As the opinion says, the Vice President could have been called to testify
"concerning the issues he [Cheney] directed the defendant to address and upon which the Vie President expected the defendant would devote his time and attention."
Now isn't that interesting? Almost as though Judge Walton knows that the defense had no intention of calling Cheney because they didn't want him to talk about just that. (Perhaps because the answers Dick Cheney would have given during cross-examination would not have been altogether helpful for the defendant?) And yet, there it is, laid out all nice and neatly at the end of footnote 29.
Ultimately the argument here is whether the restrictions on evidence of the defendant's state of mind violated his Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights to not incriminate himself and to a fair trial. The answer, according to Judge Walton, is no: when you decide to testify as a criminal defendant, you risk an often blistering and difficult cross-examination by the prosecutor, potentially exposing yourself to some damaging answers on the stand. When you decide not to testify, there are risks to that as well, including the fact that you forego presentation of evidence particular to your own, personal self to the jury – because you may be the only person for whom that testimony may be possible. There are risks with both paths, defendants are to weigh them prior to and during the trial proceedings.
And in this case, Libby had a highly paid, skilled, experienced trial counsel — actually, a whole pack of them, since they took up an entire counsel table, all of the chairs around the edges of the defense side of the courtroom and half the overflow room, with more back at the respective offices of each lead counsel. It is disingenuous at best for Team Libby to make any argument that Libby, a former white collar crime lawyer himself, had no real understanding of the inherent risks involved in a decision to take or not take the stand.
And without an adequate foundation being laid for the admission of evidence, it simply ought not be admitted. And so, Libby's state of mind never even got to the table to be laid out. Emptywheel did a great job discussing the intricacies of the arguments on memory yesterday, and I don't want to re-plow that ground any more than I already have. Suffice it to say, Judge Walton was not exactly impressed with the "my hard job made me lie, and you should allow me to say so without me, personally, having to say it" shiny object either.
Finally, the last section deals with the spectacle that could have been, a/k/a Tim Russert taking the stand a second time to watch himself talk on and on about Bill Clinton's perjury allegations. As it turns out, Russert did go to law school but he never practiced, and he apparently has able staffers who brief him before he goes on the air so that he appears to look like he knows what he is talking about…and then forgets what he has said. So Russert didn't really know the grand jury procedure, and because we lived through five grueling hours of cross-examination with him on the stand (did I mention they were irritatingly dull and repetitious and grueling?), the judge felt that this spectacle of "here is yet another thing you don't remember knowing" was the step too far.
To Judge Walton, I can only say thank you for bringing up this particular point: "the basis test for determining whether a matter is collateral is whether the facts described in the statement could be relevant to any relevant purpose other than contradicting a witness's testimony."
Since the sole purpose of dredging this up for another round of "poke Timmeh with a stick" would be to make Russert look bad, and not for much else, Judge Walton ruled that it was not admissible. The same was also true with regard to the letters that were exchanged between government counsel and Russert's attorney. More shiny objects, not any of real substance in terms of direct relevance to the charges at bar.
All in all, my favorite phrase in the entire opinion was "semantic illusion," used to describe the defense team's attempt to argue that an agreement made between them, government counsel and the court as to an evidentiary proffer was something that it decidedly was not. What a great way to say "you are utterly and completely misrepresenting the facts, and I'm calling you on it." But in a polite way. I'm going to have to start using that one.
It appears to be a fairly solid opinion on legal grounds, clearly written, well argued, based on sound precedent. Whatever employment Judge Walton's clerk has moved on to, they are getting a great find — the writing was clear and free from a lot of unnecessary legalese, so kudos to the outgoing clerk for some great drafting. All in all, it's a preemptive move on the record against any potential grounds for appeal, should Libby be found guilty by the still-deliberating jury. And now, we continue to wait for that verdict.
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Mr. Fitzgerald!
Mornin’ Christy. Now to go read the post. Thanks to Marcy for great live blogging as always.
Hi Christy!!
Justice!
Hey all — apologies on the length. It was a long opinion, and I erred on the side of explanation for everyone.
Thanks for all your work on this, Christy and Marcy et al. Now I have to go take a deposition. Darn.
No apologies necessary, Christy, it was beautifully done.
I need to go write a trial brief, can I borrow Judge Walton’s ex-clerk? Actually I doubt I could afford him or her. I’ll try to refresh rarely but the temptation is so close…
Much appreciated, Christy, not too long at all.
“Semantic illusion” = lying sack of s**t.
I like it.
I can understand having the outgoing law clerk write the opinion, but why did it have to be filed before the verdict was reached? Seems innapropriate to file an appeal related document prior to a verdict.
Oh, I forgot to say it. Christy, an excellent summary, thank you.
lina at 12 — It gives counsel on both sides an opportunity to file their responses on the record as well, and to address outstanding issues prior to the close of trial. It’s not at all problematic, because the jury never sees this.
Are we going to get a verdict today?
Here’s my take on the “humanly possible” language:
There is at least one holdout on at least one count (likely Count Three). The foreperson, or whoever crafted the question, did it in a way that forces the holdout(s) into a box: “What you’re saying, really, is that you think ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ means ‘not humanly possible.’ Isn’t that right?” By cutting the question in those terms, the drafter ensures that the holdout(s) will get an answer that undercuts their version of “reasonable doubt.”
If I’m right, and if the holdout(s) are able to wrap their heads around the info, we’ll get a verdict today or tomorrow and it will include at least one (and probably five) ‘Guilty’s.
Usual caveats: One never knows what a jury will do. Though I do speak from some experience, having tried a fair number of cases myself in a previous life.
Great post! Very well done!
Thanks bunches
CHS at 14 — gotcha.
Russert is as hollow as a jack-o-lantern. He’s a great pretender. Meet The Press is the longest running syndicated news show. I guess that gives it its undeserved credibility.
My sense from watching the CIPA arguments on Feb 13 is Judge Walton was observing 2.5 months of hard work on classification issues going down the drain.
Christ great way to cut thru the muck and give it to us in plain lingua! Also, I’d like to encourage all to check out Sara’s piece @ NextHurrah, very informing, and depressing.
“Semantic illusion?” This conjures up thoughts of Harold Washington…
Thanks Christy, excellent informative post, as usual.
No way is it ‘too long’
but no pop quizzes, please. ;)
Christy,
Great analysis – thanks very much. IANAL but you have piqued my interest so much I think I am going to have to read the entire 48 pages.
Marcy & Christy, glad to see you all back and rested up.
Christy – no apologies necessary – your writing is worth the wait! Thanks for this illuminating post.
Elliott at 22 — LOL I wouldn’t do that to you guys. It was enough for me to piece all of this together into a coherent whole with appropriate contextual details. *g* And I’m not certain I achieved that marker…
Christy.
Thanks for the wonderful tending yet again today.
All this background stuff is so helpful.
You’re a wizard for sure.
You spoil us so! ;->
Ummm, I need directions…. is there ongoing live blogging still going on in the previous thread? Or a break for now and a new thread when something happens? (I guess my question is – are they deliberating again?)
Pat at 27 — The note from Judge Walton went to the jury. There is nothing to liveblog until they get their response back to him. So we wait. And in the meantime, I thought you all might enjoy a little light reading. *g*
IANAL.
My gut prediction: They’ll return a verdict this week. Guilty on 4 counts; hung jury on 1 count. Libby will be sentenced to 20-24 years. He’ll appeal and be out on bail.
THANKS Christy. What a learning experience!
CHS:
Thank you for that well written summation of the memorandum. While I intend on reading it in full at a later date it is nice to have someone as well versed and competent as you providing an overall assessment first.
BTW, I agree with you about “Semantic illusion” being a wonderfully polite way of phrasing someone is misrepresenting the facts and I’m calling you out for your BS. I am going to try to remember to use that one as well.
Overall, I do not get the sense things are looking good for a Libby acquittal on all counts, at this stage the best chance I think he has got is for a hung jury. We shall see. I must admit this waiting is not doing my nerves any favours, but since this is really the first time the Bush Administration is being held truly accountable for any of its many Many MANY egregious (not the alias, the original word for any comedians out there) offences against the American people and it’s duly constituted government according to the US Constitution taut nerves are both understandable and a miniscule price to be paying for it, especially if it results in a guilty verdict. Even without the guilty verdict though what has come into the public record about how this Administration worked regarding the case for the Iraq war has been invaluable IMHO in showing exactly how duplicitous and deceitful this President truly has been to the American people, indeed to all outside his tiny narrow circle of “friends” (I put that in quotes because I am not sure whether this man is capable or real friendship as opposed to exploitation to his advantage).
Wow. That was well written!
Thank you for this excellent explanation of Judge Walton’s statement, Christy. IdefinitelyANAL! I was wondering if appeals were ever made based on a jury’s perceived actions, e.g., the wearing of the tee shirts and hearting of Judge Walton and court officials? I’m probably in a minority, but I found that really bizarre and was on the side of the holdout. I guess I’m anticipating some convictions, and since Judge Walton has preempted some of the points the defense could appeal in the statement above, I am wondering what other grounds for appeal the defense has left.
As always, thanks! :-)
Your in DC? If you get bored… there’s always the AG hearings tomorrow at 2pm.
Thanks again, speaking for the non-legal everyman. This trial has been a fabulous encounter with our legal system at its best. Judge Walton seems to personify what a judge should be in the course of a trial. About a year ago I had the privilege of being invited to the installation (is that the right word?) of my wife’s cousin as superior court judge in Quebec. The chief justice of the province was there, the chief batonnier, a representative of the Ministry of Justice, and at least 20 judges all decked out in their best robes. It was a moving experience. Sometimes the law does have majesty.
Pach at 32 — Thanks. It took me forever to wrap my mind around how to put this together yesterday. Too much to condense in a single post space.
OT–but somewhat related:
Another prediction: The Dems will end up with an Edwards-Obama presidential ticket for 2008.
Edwards: President
Obama: Vice-President
Christy: One of the reasons I am addicted to this site is because of these clear explanations. I have learned so much about how our legal system works because of this whole affair. Your clarity on what is fuzzy substance to this legal outsider is a joy to read. Thank you. Now…if the jury would just decide I could get some work done.
I’m going back and forth between admiring the jurors for their fine-tooth-comb-super-thoughness, and wanting to kick the door down and shake them by the neck.
Biodun—
Can we talk about the election some other time? Thanks.
Christy – will we see the note Walton sent to the jury (much like we heard the jury’s exact questions)? I’d love to see the exact wording of his response, and I’m not sure if I missed it, or if we expect it to be released at some point in the future.
That’s a nice shiny object at the top of this post! It is kinda hard to avoid staring at it. When I read your analysis, it also makes me think that Walton was not going to let Andrea Mitchell be used as a bright shiny object (and he does a good job of showing how perhaps “bright” is not the best word to associate with her… love the snark about how she was pretending to be ‘in the know’!)
WALTON!
UNNAMED CLERK!
Your’e firing on all cylinders this morning Christy.
I kind of missed these kind of posts where you analyze and distill the intricasies of the courtroom world.
I could reread this post for an hour,gleaning the bits and pieces you just laid out so neatly.
KUDOS.
Christy Hardin Smith @
6
It was fine, Christy, and much appreciated!
btw, there is a House subcommittee hearing on veterans’ affairs on C-Span1 that is heartbreaking this morning. Painfully heartbreaking.
Words!
Thanks Christy, for ’splaining the Opinion. Yikes, my brain hurts, but, I think it’s wrapping around what’s goin on. One other thing,
the fact that the Judge took the time to write this Opinion, does this mean he feels that there is a better than reasonable chance that the verdict will be guilty? (a clumsy sentence, I know, but…) Thanks for your (all) responses.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 45
Veterans’ health care?
Christy, it reminds me of those long, detailed Omni magazine articles of the past or the long Discovery magazine articles with all the juicy details. One of my favorite kind of articles to read..not a skim through, but a “think” through. Thanks.
Great post Christy.
Here’s a question that may be totally irrelevant (I hope). If there is a hung jury and a mistrial is called, a) Does Walton hear the re-trial? b) How would all of this information change how it would be re-tried.
Again, I don’t think it will happen, but you never know. Always good to have a Plan B.
Thanks.
Jwoods — they are having the hearing AT Walter Reed this morning.
Biodun @ 29
If I’m reading the federal sentencing guidelines correctly, the guidline would be 10 months imprisonment on each count. 20 – 24 years seems a bit of a stretch …
RevDeb at 49 — Every circuit decides how that is handled, but generally a retrial is handled by the previously presiding judge, because there is no lag time in getting that judge up to speed on the issues, rulings, etc. But I don’t think that is going to happen — we are not even close to that at this point, in my opinion.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 45
Heartbreaking doesn’t begin to describe it. Travesty, Criminal, Infuriating. and yes, heartbreaking too.
If the dems don’t pick up this ball and fix it we are doomed.
Egregious @ 41:
No problem.
On the Walter Reed hearings:
Cpl McLeod is surely not lucky to be injured in our name, but he is lucky to have such a devoted wife.
Pity the poor soldier forced to face the horror of Walter Reed on his/her own.
Scotian @31 – I agree that this trial has gotten some nasty truths on the record. I just hope the public can wrap their minds around the horror of it all.
I so want Fitz to work his way up the food-chain!
Thanks Christy for this very clear post. And thanks again to Marcy, Jane, Pach etc. for the fantastic addictive coverage of this trial. May justice prevail!
I think Walton’s “semantic illusion” pretty much describes many/most/all of the talking points coming from George Bush and his corrupt administration too.
Pachacutec @ 32
Seconded.
I don’t normally post during the trial blogging, but wanted to give a heads up for the Waxman sub-committee hearings on the Walter Reed scandal, running live on C-SPAN, as others have noted. The testimony is beyond compelling. Looking @ the scarred faces of the two vets & listening to the righteous anger of the wife of a brain-damaged corporal as they relate the neglect & runaround they & others experienced is a gut wrencher…
Curious in Canada..
I was hoping someone could give me a pithy legal rundown of Walton’s choices WRT sequestering the jury on this matter? From the perspective of ‘right now’ in this Libby matter…..
Both for and against if possible..
On Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays I am convinced he will be acquitted on all counts.
On Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays I am convinced he will be found guilty on all counts.
On Sundays I refuse to think about this trial at all.
Is the jury deliberating or not?
Christy, this is outstanding work. Having just finished a dKos diary on the money men behind the Walter Reed scandal–that took me 6 hours to research and write–I am more appreciative of the serious time investment necessary to produce a readable and informative post such as the one you’ve produced here. With all the other people in your life who depend on your time and attention, I am truly impressed. Great job!
Canadianhoser @ 60
I think Walton would be opening a grounds for appeal (if he does it now, why not from the beginning).
Exile at 61 — Yes.
Christy Hardin Smith @
6
i disagree. it was not too long, you did not err, and, the drolleries were tres, tres piquant ……
grayslady at 62 — Awww, thanks. I had to wrestle with this one a bit.
Elliott @ 56
Quite frankly, anyone in the healthcare system NEEDS an advocate to look out for them. (I had that experience with a daughter at Children’s Hospital in DC and even John Hopkins (which is an excellent hospital). And the same thing held true 15 years later when my father was in the ICU at the end of his life) I’m sure it is doubly true dealing when dealing with the VA medical system.
“Semantic illusion” – Walton all but said ‘truthiness’ with that one!
grayslady @ 62
Grayslady, what is your dKos name?
In what universe does the defense start talking about an appeal before a verdict and the judge issues a pre-appeal brief and have the jury not convict?
But the wingnuts think the length of deliberations is favoring the defense!!
They just can’t get their arms around reality.
Christy Hardin Smith @
26
Should there be any guilty verdicts, there will be an appeal. And this excellent explanation of yours will be a god-send to refer to as we labor to comprehend the appellate issues.
OT, but have to share the good news – the LA Times has dropped the fact-challenged, perenially unfunny Mallard Fillmore from its weekday pages. Still have to get past it on Sundays, but my Monday-Saturday blood pressure will be 10 points lower at least.
And don’t sweat the length – I think the pups like a bit of meat in their morning reading.
Christy,
There’s an important piece on TPM about the US Attorneys purge that gives it a larger perspective. Frightening.
AAAACK!
I must have caught the very tail end of the Walter Reed piece,I tuned in in time to see The Walrus flapping his gums. Off.Now.
HotFlash @ 70
Same as it is here, grayslady.
Bustednuckles @ 74
that was just the first panel so turn it back on
RevDeb @74 saw that.
Excellent critique by a US Attorney no less.
Christy, don’t you dare apologize for such an illuminating piece ! goodness, I am on 3rd pass through
of course, my brain now looks like this *g*
o/t – brass just took oath and seated in Waxman/CSpan hearings
Bustednuckles @ 74
Looks like Kiley’s up to get slapped around
Thanks Christy sooo much.
You have been invaluable as well as the rest of the cast at FDL!!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 65
Thanks Christy, for some reason I couldn’t seem to figure it out this morning.
Christy, LHP or whoever – Had an 8:30am status conference, so I’m trying to catch up here; so if this question has been addressed in some form, I apologize. There is a somewhat standardized (have seen many judges use it, not all) supplemental instruction used in many state trial courts here regarding a deliberating jury’s question on clarification of the reasonable doubt charge. I am paraphrasing wildly here, but it reads something along the lines of “Reasonable doubt does not require that the state prove guilt beyond all possible doubt. The test is one of reasonable doubt. A reasonable doubt is a doubt based upon reason and common sense—-the kind of doubt that would make a reasonable person hesitate to act. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt, therefore, must be proof of such a convincing character that a reasonable person would not hesitate to rely and act upon it in the normal course of human events”. This has got to be the most asked question by criminal juries, I have had it come up in many, if not most crim trials where deliberations went on for more than a day or two; does the DC circuit not have some sort of standardized answer to this type of inquiry by a deliberating jury?
As we await verdicts, I wanted to convey some news about another round of appeals that has run its course:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17466393/
“(Yes, I know, the endless realms of competence are exhausting, aren’t they?)”
Wow. Just wow. That sums up everything about this case and this whole administration. Brilliantly put.
Thank you so much for making this trial accessible to everyone. I’m going to try to plow through the 48 pages using your printed-out post as a guide.
On MSNBC chiron, stated, “Walton to address jury on question of reasonable doubt” Is that accurate? Does Walton actually bring jury in or do they just pass notes back and forth? Sorry to appear dense, I was under impression that jury was back to deliberating with the answers being given. Any ideas?
bmaz at 82 — The short answer from me is I just don’t know. I’ve never practiced in the DC Circuit and my exposure to Walton has only been through this trial. Perhaps some of our DC readers have had a case before him and might be able to answer. Although I, too, have been in courts where the standard R/D response is given — which, if I remember correctly, is taken directly from case law precedent on the issue. Anyone know for sure how Walton generally handles this situation? Since it is really common for juries to ask it, I would think that there is some standard DC Circuit response for it. But I just can’t say with any certainty whether this is correct.
jmba at 85 — Walton sent a clarification note back to the jury, we are awaiting their response on it, and then he will address things from there.
Wow, Christy! Just…wow!
I want to also comment that Marcy seems to have reached her stride, now more than ever. This has been an absolutely amazing eye-witness account, with details we’d never see in the MSM and totally riveting.
Great Job Redd!
Semantic Illusion
We are all going to want to borrow that
Christy Hardin Smith @ 88
Thank you Christy,
So they don’t just take the answer given and go with it, they have to respond something like, “Thanks we get it now”, or “We still have a question”?
Christy – This is an absolutely fantastic piece and brought many things into focus for me. You have an immense gift in the way you communicate with laypeople and I’d wager that you would be in great demand as an educator in just about any field. As to its length, all I can say is that “I’m sorry” that it had to end. Your writing is art.
Lindy @ 89
Delurking for just a moment to second this sentiment strongly.
If Libby is convicted, the feeling here is that a pardon from Bush is all but inevitable. But hopefully a pardon will not end it for others in this administration. An aquit will I suspect, end the matter.
Lindy @ 89
well said, and ditto (my bold)…
Distractionville! Love it when you make new words! This will sure fill my lunchhour.
Semantic illusion: Sometimes Clinton’s cigar is just a cigar. And sometimes it isn’t.
Brava, Redd! You & LHP should give an online course: Criminal Law For Dummies. : ) You guys make things so much easier to understand w/ just the right mix of legalese & plain language.
“Any questions?” Errr, yeah, dozens…but I’ll settle for these two:
Why would Walton release these opinions now, BEFORE the case has reached a verdict, when the possiblity of a mistrial/hung jury still looms?
Why would Walton allude to the subject of “acquittal” in this opinion wrt to his statement of the defense NOT putting Cheney up as a witness? That seemed pretty subjective. Or, as I asked previously, was Reggie involved in a bit of wishful thinking? [This second question kinda ties in w/ the first: In the event of mistrial, wouldn’t the defense now have a roadmap of how hizzoner was thinking? That doesn’t seem fair to Fitz.]
you can multiply the vet health care problems by a thousandfold if you look at the disability cases on appeal for everyday citizens. Unfair, routine turn downs of claims results in common two year wait for appeal hearings.Why two year before a hearing… because of underfunding for 100 judges needed to eliminate the backlog. One second, yes… one second of the cost of Iraq pays for a year of disability benefits for the poorest citizens amongst us.
Ah, ’tis a fine, fine thing to see such a fine, fine lass practicing her craft in such a fine, fine fashion.
Besides giving me brogue an opportunity to warm up for St. Paddy’s; thanks once again for breaking it all down to layman’s terms; much appreciated, much admired!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 94
I guess an acquittal wouldn’t be a semantic illusion, would it?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 94
I have read elsewhere that a pardon removes the 5th Amendment option of avoiding self-incrimination when testifying before Congress. Can any attorneys here comment on how a pardon for Perjury would affect Scooter’s ability to avoid testimony before Congress on various matters? What could he still avoid testifying about?
help! am looking for above referenced DKOS diary by grayslady – anyone ?
Judge Walton’s response: http://www.talkleft.com/LibbyT…..semar5.pdf
“semantic illusion,”
that sums up the whole repuglican agenda
supply side economics – (tax cuts to stimulate the economy, right)
The Patriot Act (As unpatriotic as you could get)
No Child Left Behind (cept the ones we expelled to raise our average test scores)
Clear Skies Inititave (NOT)
Healthy Forests Inititave (NOT)
is there any part of the repuglican agenda that ISN’T a “semantic illusion,” ???
Liberal-at-large @ 98
I get the impression that competent legal clerks are worth their weight in gold and Christy says Walton’s was leaving, so he carpe diemed all over it and had this opinion drafted pronto!
Maybe Bush will come up with a “floating pardon” like Cheney’s “floating declassifiction” powers, and Libby and the rest of them will just pull their Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free pardon card as necessary…
The issues the Judged ruled on were evidentiary questions. That is, they concerned the admissibilty of evidence and testimony. As such, the court needed to rule immediately.
just to connect two thoughts:
libby and cheney with bright shiny objects trying to detract from the rathole hospitals where they stick smashed-up soldiers-
Whew, Walton’s note back read better than I thought coming out of this morning.
torrance @ 99
This is the perfect counter argument to ‘universal healthcare’. If you think that the situation is bad at Walter Reed, just try to imagine the same level of care and competence applied to 300 million patients. Scary.
cbl @ 103
It’s called “The Players Behind the IAP and Walter Reed Scandal”. Thanks for asking.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 109
Hey, you don’t go to war with the hospital you want, you go with the one you have!
thanks and welcome to The Lake !
The two panels on C-Span are an exercise in class and rank… do I think the Rethuglicans are running from this issue asap? The second panel is an exercise in doublespeak and shift the blame…pure unadulterated beaucracyspeak.
Redd, FYI – CREW files ethics complaint against Domeneci. I believe you were waiting for this…
(via TPM Muckracker)
Walton references the fact that the defense could have called, among others, Jenny Mayfield to present extrinsic evidence regarding Libby’s state of mind at the time in question. This question is actually EPU’ed from a few threads ago– but why didn’t Fitz call her for the prosecution?
To the Gloomy Gusses (?) among us. Remember that conviction on even a single count would represent the highest level criminal conviction within the executive branch in US history. (Christy, please correct if I am wrong).
Hmmm… based on Walton’s response, I’m going with no further questions from the jury. They’ll probably see they’re not going to get the answers they want, so either we’ll have a verdict, or there will be a note to Walton saying the jury is deadlocked on one or more counts and we’ll get the Allen charge.
Teresa @ 104
Well, we’ll see if and how they respond. So many “nots”; not humanly possible, not to recall, and now Walton not fully undestanding “not humanly possible.” Dizzy it makes one.
johnSwifty @ 100
JohnSwifty, you always just make me smile. (Driveby victim of your charm.)
Gromit @ 118
Spiro Agnew was convicted of a crime while sitting as Vice president, so I think you’re wrong there
Stu – nice Yoda impression.
laurie9 @ 116
IANAL, but I think that Fitz was presenting a very narrow case against Scooter. He had his charges, and presented only evidence that proved those charges. Mayfield couldn’t help with that.
> Spiro Agnew was convicted of a crime while
> sitting as Vice president, so I think you’re
> wrong there
Although the crimes for which he was convicted were committed prior to him being elected Vice-President.
Cranky
freepatriot @ 122
FYI: He was not convicted until after he resigned, and his crime predated his election to the vice-presidency.
freepatriot– Wasn’t Spiro Agnew conviscted of a crime committed before he became VP?
JoyB @ 121
Top ‘o the morning to you, lass. And a fine morning it ’tis with such sweetness as yours in it! Joy to you, JoyB!
annx @ 122
‘ankew!
Pat_AlexVA @ 115
This is great news. I read that as of late last week (or over the weekend) CREW was not planning on filing a complaint. Was it blog pressure or was it that the MSM had front-page articles this morning on Domenici’s admission of contacts? Either way, it’s about time.
grayslady @ 128
TPM covers it in the link. When Domeneci owned up to making the call, CREW filed.
johnSwifty says:
I get the impression that competent legal clerks are worth their weight in gold and Christy says Walton’s was leaving, so he carpe diemed all over it and had this opinion drafted pronto!
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Understood. But why would Walton RELEASE it BEFORE the verdict was in in? He could have just sandbagged it till after a verdict is my point. Now Team Irving has a roadmap in the event of a mistrial.
Judges are supposed to at least put forward the “semantical allusion” that they’re impartial. And unless I’m mistaken, Walton will sit this case again if it’s re-tried because of a mistrial.
Reg has received a lot of kudos for his impartiality & fairness during this trial from both sides of the aisle. I, for one, having read some of his prior decisions/rulings, am reserving judgement.
Also with respect to Agnew….
He was not “found guilty” but rather pled “nolo contendre” (sp?), meaning “no contest” and the judge accepted that plea. (Nit picking, I know.)
breaking – someone on Gabbly is reporting DOJ head of USAs is quitting – will look for linky
Fresh thread for everyone — it is lunchtime at the courthouse, gang. More liveblogging when we get it. In the meantime…
the libby conviction, as downplayed as it will be by the ‘liberal (with the truth) media’ will be another bit of background information casting doubt on the decider and the duck ‘hunter.’
laurie9 @ 116
I have wondered whether he was holding her in reserve. She may not be a great witness to the Cooper charge (the biggest positive reason to call her). But she is certainly a witness to (for example) stamping everything directly related to this csae randomly with “Treated as SCI/Top Secret.” So she could be useful in a further obstruction charge.
Mutant Poodle @
73
Hooray!
Gromit @ 117
Sorry – a cabinet member outranks an assistant to the VP – Sec of Interior Fall was convicted in the Teapot Dome scandal:
Fall was found guilty of bribery in 1929 and fined $100,000. He was also sentenced to one year in prison and thus became the first cabinet member ever to go to prison for crimes committed while in office.
Gromit @ 118
Tough call on this. Consider the case of John Poindexter, Ollie North’s boss, in the Iran Contra affair. He was Deputy NSA from 1983-85 and NSA from 1985-86. Compare that with Libby being VP’s Chief of Staff/NSA. Neither post requires Senate confirmation, but Poindexter was ostensibly more senior, particularly in national security issues. To look at it in more contemporary terms, wasn’t Condi Rice (2001-2004) more senior than Libby?
corry342 @ 102
Second reason for comparison – Poindexter’s conviction was overturned because gov’t could not establish that congressional immunity did not taint criminal proceedings. That’s why you do the criminal side first and follow up with congressional hearings. If Libby is acquitted on some charges and obtains a pardon for convictions of other charges, he is done. Double jeopardy will not allow a re-trial on the earlier charges, and Poindexter precedent will make sure that testimony will be given broad span. Depending on the wording on the pardon, he should still take the Fifth.
cbl @ 103
help! am looking for above referenced DKOS diary by grayslady – anyone ?
grayslady @ 112
It’s called “The Players Behind the IAP and Walter Reed Scandal”. Thanks for asking.
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i couldn’t find it either, i hand-scrolled back to last wednesday and then did the search with your name, got 0 hits. how about a link?
“my hard job made me lie, and you should allow me to say so without me, personally, having to say it”
fantastic.
IANAL but wouldn’t Judge Walton’s remarks/opinions before the verdict is given signal the defence just what hurtles they would be facing should appeal of the verdict be persued?
Have got to closely watch typos with IANAL, preview is your friend. And EPU’d again
Following Christy’s excellent summary I’ve just read the full Opinion.
The most important point I take (page 34)is that the defence could, after losing the argument, which I assume went orally along the same lines, have chosen even then “until the very close” to have Libby testify and thus introduced all the documents on the memory defence, and still they did not.
sdf (Stu) @
93
Is it too soon to be suggesting to the PlameHouse team that you spend the “waiting” hours working on a plan to publish the FDL coverage of the Libby trial as a book? Of course, the live-blogging in itself would not to be reprinted in full, because by then the full actual transcript will be available. A sample that is laced with courtroom description (that will NOT appear on the official transcript) might be appropriate. But what I mainly think would be in the book would be the PlameHouse team blogs on the trial, and a selection of the better commentaries. It would be a difficult challenge, but I think it would be worth it!
Bob in HI
torrance @ 99
This bears repeating!
One second, yes… one second of the cost of Iraq pays for a year of disability benefits for the poorest citizens amongst us.
new thread
Re: The picture – I got that very same shiny thing on top of my dresser. I think it was a gift from a sister. As far as shiny things go, I kind of like it.
Only thread I can find open. Jane on Barbara Comstock. Miaowwww!!