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		<title>By: mhpcr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/05/a-list-of-must-dos-and-donts/#comment-540984</link>
		<dc:creator>mhpcr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just the best, Scarecrow.   I love what your octave-typing has to say.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just the best, Scarecrow.   I love what your octave-typing has to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Max-1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/05/a-list-of-must-dos-and-donts/#comment-539910</link>
		<dc:creator>Max-1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 20:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is all good and well, BUT…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This happened because of no accountability.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;HOW COME NO ONE TALKS ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Without it, more will happen.&lt;br /&gt;
Oversight is a form of accountability that PREVENTS lawlessness. Once established, lawlessness needs to be punished for what it does to the rule of law. That is a basic tenant to such rules of law.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;You can’t be against rape and support the actions of a rapist.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You can’t be against a lawless Administration and turn a blind eye to what they’ve managed to do and get away with. Doing so supports their rape of our Constitutional law.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;You’re either FOR the rule of law or you are AGAINST the rule of law.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WHICH IS IT?&lt;br /&gt;
Accountability or accessory.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all good and well, BUT…</p>
<p>This happened because of no accountability.</p>
<p><b>HOW COME NO ONE TALKS ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY?</b></p>
<p>Without it, more will happen.<br />
Oversight is a form of accountability that PREVENTS lawlessness. Once established, lawlessness needs to be punished for what it does to the rule of law. That is a basic tenant to such rules of law.</p>
<p><b>You can’t be against rape and support the actions of a rapist.</b></p>
<p>You can’t be against a lawless Administration and turn a blind eye to what they’ve managed to do and get away with. Doing so supports their rape of our Constitutional law.</p>
<p><b>You’re either FOR the rule of law or you are AGAINST the rule of law.</b></p>
<p>WHICH IS IT?<br />
Accountability or accessory.</p>
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		<title>By: jed</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/05/a-list-of-must-dos-and-donts/#comment-539843</link>
		<dc:creator>jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How about everyone copy the Times editorial headings, use scarecrow’s list, send to congresspersons with a request to Please Do. Flood ‘em.  Can’t hurt, might help.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about everyone copy the Times editorial headings, use scarecrow’s list, send to congresspersons with a request to Please Do. Flood ‘em.  Can’t hurt, might help.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/05/a-list-of-must-dos-and-donts/#comment-539526</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Way epu’d, but great post Scarecrow.  The NYT op ed is the best and most serious I have seen from any news outlet and I’m glad they put it out there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;When the time comes, will we be able to count on the Democratic Leadership? &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The times have come, and the answer has been, consistently, ‘no.’&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Think how easily McConnell, in the minority, pulled off blocking any discussion even of the war.  Now contrast with Reid, with just days to go before Congress was shutting down for the elections, and the MCA.  Shameful beyond belief - not even a minimum amount of effort.  With the story of Arar’s vindication by the Canadian  investigation playin out CONTEMPORANEOUSLY and giving every cover to at least backing off to exam things first, Reid was a total and abject failure.  Clinton was a total and abject failure.  Obama was a total and abject failure.  Not one piece of real leadership from any of them.  Some half hearted sound bite speeches and that was it.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Go back to the wiretap revelations, to the Patriot Act renewals, to Murtha’s plans.  The only thing that can count as a leadership effort was Pelosi’s bid to try to put Murtha in  Hoyer’s slot and to try to keep the war high profile.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not only has there been no leadership, they have even browbeaten Democrats into adopting a bowed head, eyes on the ground to find the lowest of standards, mentality.  How dare anyone criticize a “progressive” like a Sherrod Brown for amorally and opportunistically campaigning for torture and kidnap - how dare we expect better!  The Democratic leadership has paraphrased from the country fans:  Shut up and donate. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m sick to death of them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way epu’d, but great post Scarecrow.  The NYT op ed is the best and most serious I have seen from any news outlet and I’m glad they put it out there.</p>
<p><i>When the time comes, will we be able to count on the Democratic Leadership? </i></p>
<p>The times have come, and the answer has been, consistently, ‘no.’</p>
<p>Think how easily McConnell, in the minority, pulled off blocking any discussion even of the war.  Now contrast with Reid, with just days to go before Congress was shutting down for the elections, and the MCA.  Shameful beyond belief &#8211; not even a minimum amount of effort.  With the story of Arar’s vindication by the Canadian  investigation playin out CONTEMPORANEOUSLY and giving every cover to at least backing off to exam things first, Reid was a total and abject failure.  Clinton was a total and abject failure.  Obama was a total and abject failure.  Not one piece of real leadership from any of them.  Some half hearted sound bite speeches and that was it.  </p>
<p>Go back to the wiretap revelations, to the Patriot Act renewals, to Murtha’s plans.  The only thing that can count as a leadership effort was Pelosi’s bid to try to put Murtha in  Hoyer’s slot and to try to keep the war high profile.  </p>
<p>Not only has there been no leadership, they have even browbeaten Democrats into adopting a bowed head, eyes on the ground to find the lowest of standards, mentality.  How dare anyone criticize a “progressive” like a Sherrod Brown for amorally and opportunistically campaigning for torture and kidnap &#8211; how dare we expect better!  The Democratic leadership has paraphrased from the country fans:  Shut up and donate. </p>
<p>I’m sick to death of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Interested Observer</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/05/a-list-of-must-dos-and-donts/#comment-539269</link>
		<dc:creator>Interested Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;I have a HUGE problem with this sentence of Walton’s:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;the govt doesn’t have to prove beyond mathematic or scientific certainty.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No, of course they don’t have to prove &lt;b&gt;beyond&lt;/b&gt; it. But I think there is a juror that thinks they have to prove &lt;b&gt;up to it&lt;/b&gt;. That is not reasonable doubt, either. If he is unclear what they are asking then there needs to be some way to make it clear and give them the guidance they are asking for.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I have a HUGE problem with this sentence of Walton’s:</b></p>
<blockquote><p>the govt doesn’t have to prove beyond mathematic or scientific certainty.</p>
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<p>No, of course they don’t have to prove <b>beyond</b> it. But I think there is a juror that thinks they have to prove <b>up to it</b>. That is not reasonable doubt, either. If he is unclear what they are asking then there needs to be some way to make it clear and give them the guidance they are asking for.</p>
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		<title>By: GSD</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/05/a-list-of-must-dos-and-donts/#comment-539250</link>
		<dc:creator>GSD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-539204&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Scarecrow @&lt;br /&gt;
                48              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-539199&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Dru @ 46&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;another incident to add to the Afghan casualties&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6418459.stm&quot;&gt;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6418459.stm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And note this from that story:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Journalists say US troops confiscated their photos and video footage of the aftermath of the violence.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Paging Josef Stalin to the media room, please.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-GSD&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-539204"><em>Scarecrow @<br />
                48              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-539199"><em>Dru @ 46</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>another incident to add to the Afghan casualties</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6418459.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6418459.stm</a></p>
</blockquote>
<p>And note this from that story:</p>
<p><em>Journalists say US troops confiscated their photos and video footage of the aftermath of the violence.</em></p>
</blockquote>
<p>Paging Josef Stalin to the media room, please.</p>
<p>-GSD</p>
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		<title>By: GSD</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/05/a-list-of-must-dos-and-donts/#comment-539248</link>
		<dc:creator>GSD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So much for family values.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;“I got my values from my mother.”&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;– Andrew Giuliani, quoted by the New York Daily News, in an article about his troubled relationship with his father, Rudy Giuliani.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-GSD&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much for family values.</p>
<p><b>“I got my values from my mother.”</b></p>
<p>– Andrew Giuliani, quoted by the New York Daily News, in an article about his troubled relationship with his father, Rudy Giuliani.</p>
<p>-GSD</p>
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		<title>By: fahrender</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/05/a-list-of-must-dos-and-donts/#comment-539230</link>
		<dc:creator>fahrender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;how many times in history has a dictator, or an oligarchy, or a gang of bullies and criminals eased themselves into authority over a community or state and then began doing more and more cruel and illegal acts? at first things would be done surreptitiously, then spurious justifications would be made for their acts. anyone challenging them would be dealt with by evasion or lying or, in some cases, humiliation, hysterical rebuke and violence.&lt;br /&gt;
how many times have others stood by and let this happen? others who had the knowledge and power to act in some meaningful way, but also had privilege and something more to risk losing by  standing up and protesting.&lt;br /&gt;
how many times have such people stood around, grumbling privately, waiting for someone else to lead, to do something? how many times have such people not fully realized that they needed to sieze the day, to act against evil and incompetence?&lt;br /&gt;
what more has to happen for our democratic leadership to decide to show us they are actually going to do something bold and effective?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cheney, Bush and Gonzales need to be impeached. we should not simply wait for these evil men to finish their terms and hop a plane to Uraguay. as soon as Irving Libby’s verdict has been read, no matter what his fate, we need to start ratcheting up the investigations and charges and prosecutions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the war in Iraq does not need any oversight other than telling the generals to get the troops out as expeditiously and safely as possible. getting Cheney and Bush out of the mix cannot make anything worse there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if the strongest possible call to action is not made, soon, history will judge America severely. there will be hell to pay.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how many times in history has a dictator, or an oligarchy, or a gang of bullies and criminals eased themselves into authority over a community or state and then began doing more and more cruel and illegal acts? at first things would be done surreptitiously, then spurious justifications would be made for their acts. anyone challenging them would be dealt with by evasion or lying or, in some cases, humiliation, hysterical rebuke and violence.<br />
how many times have others stood by and let this happen? others who had the knowledge and power to act in some meaningful way, but also had privilege and something more to risk losing by  standing up and protesting.<br />
how many times have such people stood around, grumbling privately, waiting for someone else to lead, to do something? how many times have such people not fully realized that they needed to sieze the day, to act against evil and incompetence?<br />
what more has to happen for our democratic leadership to decide to show us they are actually going to do something bold and effective?</p>
<p>Cheney, Bush and Gonzales need to be impeached. we should not simply wait for these evil men to finish their terms and hop a plane to Uraguay. as soon as Irving Libby’s verdict has been read, no matter what his fate, we need to start ratcheting up the investigations and charges and prosecutions.</p>
<p>the war in Iraq does not need any oversight other than telling the generals to get the troops out as expeditiously and safely as possible. getting Cheney and Bush out of the mix cannot make anything worse there.</p>
<p>if the strongest possible call to action is not made, soon, history will judge America severely. there will be hell to pay.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/05/a-list-of-must-dos-and-donts/#comment-539224</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-539219&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;HotFlash @ 53&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thank you, Scarecrow.  This is a post I will come back to again and again.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;me too. amazing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-539219"><em>HotFlash @ 53</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Thank you, Scarecrow.  This is a post I will come back to again and again.</p>
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<p>me too. amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: HotFlash</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/05/a-list-of-must-dos-and-donts/#comment-539219</link>
		<dc:creator>HotFlash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you, Scarecrow.  This is a post I will come back to again and again.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Scarecrow.  This is a post I will come back to again and again.</p>
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