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	<title>Comments on: Shorter Judge Walton: Let the Appeals Process Begin!</title>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 01:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One man’s personal message is another man’s info.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One man’s personal message is another man’s info.</p>
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		<title>By: brel1</title>
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		<dc:creator>brel1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 00:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don’t get me wrong, I like the camaraderie, but maybe some of you might want to exchange emails with the personal messages. I mean it sort of gets in the way of the info.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t get me wrong, I like the camaraderie, but maybe some of you might want to exchange emails with the personal messages. I mean it sort of gets in the way of the info.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Schacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Schacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 00:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Re: posts 103, 107, 110, and now&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-538188&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Stephen Parrish, CPA @&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;stingray @ 10:48 &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;My speculation is that Cheney had to assume Libby would come clean at some point and tell Fitz that it was on Cheney’s word that he thought Plame was de-classed. And so Cheney’s fallback position became that he was authorized to do it by Bush, and did do it, legally.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not sure that even the President had legal authority to declassify her covert status; I don’t see any justification for it, even in Executive Order 13292. Has a covert agent’s status ever been declassified? If so, what were the circumstances that supposedly permitted declassification of what is supposed to be a very closely guarded secret?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It also brings up the possibility that Dick let Libby lie his ass off to the GJ trying to protect him, when Dick had already gone much further to the FBI.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What do you think he said to the FBI and/or to Fitz? If his statements contradicted Scooter’s statements to the FBI or Scooter’s grand jury testimony, I can see why neither Dick Cheney nor Scooter could take the stand.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know there’s a new snark upstairs, but this thread is too good to drop.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What you’re all missing here is that Team Libby never raised Executive Order 13292 as a justification. What Marcy wrote elsewhere is that the justification they used was Navy v Egan, which is a lot worse, and shows the imperial mindset of the Cheneyites. I think it was Addington’s testimony. Their actual attitude is that they’re above the law. Law is something that applies to the little people, not to them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: posts 103, 107, 110, and now<br />
<a href="#comment-538188"><em>Stephen Parrish, CPA @<br />
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<blockquote><p>stingray @ 10:48 </p>
<blockquote><p>My speculation is that Cheney had to assume Libby would come clean at some point and tell Fitz that it was on Cheney’s word that he thought Plame was de-classed. And so Cheney’s fallback position became that he was authorized to do it by Bush, and did do it, legally.</p>
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<p>I’m not sure that even the President had legal authority to declassify her covert status; I don’t see any justification for it, even in Executive Order 13292. Has a covert agent’s status ever been declassified? If so, what were the circumstances that supposedly permitted declassification of what is supposed to be a very closely guarded secret?</p>
<blockquote><p>It also brings up the possibility that Dick let Libby lie his ass off to the GJ trying to protect him, when Dick had already gone much further to the FBI.</p>
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<p>What do you think he said to the FBI and/or to Fitz? If his statements contradicted Scooter’s statements to the FBI or Scooter’s grand jury testimony, I can see why neither Dick Cheney nor Scooter could take the stand.</p>
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<p>I know there’s a new snark upstairs, but this thread is too good to drop.</p>
<p>What you’re all missing here is that Team Libby never raised Executive Order 13292 as a justification. What Marcy wrote elsewhere is that the justification they used was Navy v Egan, which is a lot worse, and shows the imperial mindset of the Cheneyites. I think it was Addington’s testimony. Their actual attitude is that they’re above the law. Law is something that applies to the little people, not to them.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
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		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 23:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You’re welcome!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: pow wow</title>
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		<dc:creator>pow wow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 23:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nice recap, EW.  [Libby &amp; Cline &amp; Company very much did “game” the CIPA system.  Congress: please take note.]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This 48-page Opinion from Judge Walton is a beautifully-crafted &lt;b&gt;stonewall&lt;/b&gt; that will surround and help to protect a potential conviction if and when it reaches the Court of Appeals.  I’m very glad Judge Walton (and his departing clerk) took the time to carefully and thoroughly spell out in writing these important and well-judged evidence rulings that Walton made from the bench at trial.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;egregious @ 98 - I enjoyed your eyewitness account of some of these vigorous arguments in action.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice recap, EW.  [Libby &amp; Cline &amp; Company very much did “game” the CIPA system.  Congress: please take note.]</p>
<p>This 48-page Opinion from Judge Walton is a beautifully-crafted <b>stonewall</b> that will surround and help to protect a potential conviction if and when it reaches the Court of Appeals.  I’m very glad Judge Walton (and his departing clerk) took the time to carefully and thoroughly spell out in writing these important and well-judged evidence rulings that Walton made from the bench at trial.</p>
<p>egregious @ 98 &#8211; I enjoyed your eyewitness account of some of these vigorous arguments in action.</p>
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		<title>By: professor rat</title>
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		<dc:creator>professor rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 22:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Assuming the best ( and preparing for the worst… but I’ve said to much already) Chenys bacons goin’ get fried next week. Thats all wells and good but I’d like to see the blowtorch applied to Bushs belly too.&lt;br /&gt;
He made that statement to the Fitzer - he has to come clean on it. The buck stops there.&lt;br /&gt;
Also Pat the rat Roberts has to cough up that senate report he’s been sitting on like a Taco-bell. PHASE 2! PHASE 2! etc, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
Don’t forget all the other unindicted co-conspirators either…Blair, Berlusconi, Howard, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
Go wide - sweep up everything - things related - things not. Their roots connect them. Smoke them out and get em on the run…blah, blah, blah, ad nauseum.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming the best ( and preparing for the worst… but I’ve said to much already) Chenys bacons goin’ get fried next week. Thats all wells and good but I’d like to see the blowtorch applied to Bushs belly too.<br />
He made that statement to the Fitzer &#8211; he has to come clean on it. The buck stops there.<br />
Also Pat the rat Roberts has to cough up that senate report he’s been sitting on like a Taco-bell. PHASE 2! PHASE 2! etc, etc.<br />
Don’t forget all the other unindicted co-conspirators either…Blair, Berlusconi, Howard, etc.<br />
Go wide &#8211; sweep up everything &#8211; things related &#8211; things not. Their roots connect them. Smoke them out and get em on the run…blah, blah, blah, ad nauseum.</p>
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		<title>By: naschkatze</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/04/shorter-judge-walton-let-the-appeals-process-begin/#comment-538381</link>
		<dc:creator>naschkatze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 22:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Marcy, from one of the many IANALs here, and I’m looking forward to Christy’s post.  I guess my concern about Judge Walton’s statements was that they might be considered prejudicial coming before a verdict, but I suppose as long as the jury in no way sees them, it’s o.k.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Marcy, from one of the many IANALs here, and I’m looking forward to Christy’s post.  I guess my concern about Judge Walton’s statements was that they might be considered prejudicial coming before a verdict, but I suppose as long as the jury in no way sees them, it’s o.k.</p>
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		<title>By: Thad Beier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thad Beier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 22:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-538269&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;emptywheel @&lt;br /&gt;
                182              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-538255&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;OldCoastie @ 175&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think jurors will be in their Sunday best tomorrow.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, they will be in any case, bc they know they’ll be brought into the courtroom for an instruction. Recall that last week, they asked not to be brought into the court room for an instruction, because they weren’t in their Sunday best.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They likely saved their questions till the end of the day on Friday because they were wearing jeans.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sadly, your speculation seems completely on target.  Look at the bright side, though — being all dressed up they might actually decide that they have someplace to go.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-538269"><em>emptywheel @<br />
                182              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-538255"><em>OldCoastie @ 175</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I think jurors will be in their Sunday best tomorrow.</p>
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<p>Unfortunately, they will be in any case, bc they know they’ll be brought into the courtroom for an instruction. Recall that last week, they asked not to be brought into the court room for an instruction, because they weren’t in their Sunday best.</p>
<p>They likely saved their questions till the end of the day on Friday because they were wearing jeans.</p>
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<p>Sadly, your speculation seems completely on target.  Look at the bright side, though — being all dressed up they might actually decide that they have someplace to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Crazy Horse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crazy Horse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;EW, thanks for the deep understanding.  I’ve read the post but not the comments yet, and though i’m EPU’d…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are several conversations for which, as EW has often said, there are no notes.  I don’t know if Fitz has other confirmation of these notes, but it’s very possible Ms. Mayfield knows that those notes were destroyed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Es geht weiter.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EW, thanks for the deep understanding.  I’ve read the post but not the comments yet, and though i’m EPU’d…</p>
<p>There are several conversations for which, as EW has often said, there are no notes.  I don’t know if Fitz has other confirmation of these notes, but it’s very possible Ms. Mayfield knows that those notes were destroyed.</p>
<p>Es geht weiter.</p>
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		<title>By: TMP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TMP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:Everhopeful@176&quot;&gt;Everhopeful@176&lt;/a&gt; - I already called in sick Friday, so tomorrow will have the rear view mirror on the cube in working order and many overlapping windows up on my computer screen as I spend another day covertly obsessed with the outcome of this trial.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="mailto:Everhopeful@176">Everhopeful@176</a> &#8211; I already called in sick Friday, so tomorrow will have the rear view mirror on the cube in working order and many overlapping windows up on my computer screen as I spend another day covertly obsessed with the outcome of this trial.</p>
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