As some of you have noted, Judge Walton released a whopping 48-page opinion explaining his evidentiary decision-making in the trial. I think he did so for two reasons. First, his clerk, who has been involved in this case from the start, had his last day Friday. By getting all this on paper now, Walton makes sure that the clerk who worked with him on these rulings works with him on the opinion.
But it also lays out where we might be heading for the appeals process. After all, in the very first days of this trial, Ted Wells said we were "probably ... maybe" going to be arguing these issues after the trial. If the Lead Defense Counsel thinks an appeal (and therefore some convictions) are probable, then the judge might well take note and prepare for it.
The scope of the opinion provides some unsurprising guidance about what Walton believes Team Libby might appeal--two of the three issues relate to Russert (Walton's ruling to exclude the Andrea Mitchell self-impeachment, and Walton's ruling to exclude some information that might have impeached Russert). No doubt Team Libby and Walton, like everyone else, recognize that the Russert charges are much stronger than the Cooper charges. Curiously, though, any attack on Russert himself ignores Fitzgerald's (I think correct) assertion that the Russert charges would hold up even if Russert had moved onto that great newsroom in the sky--I guess Team Libby still cannot or will not find a way to impeach David Addington, which will limit their ability to reverse this charge.
The part of the opinion I'm really interested in, though, is where Walton expounds on his opinion, expressed during the trial, that it would be suicide for Libby launch a memory defense without testifying. After some back and forth (Team Libby came very close to winning this one), Walton dramatically limited what Libby could introduce for his memory defense if he didn't testify. Most importantly, he refused to allow the defense to introduce a Statement Admitting Relevant Facts (explaining the Very Important things Libby did at work) even after Wells had read it in his opening statement.* And he prevented a parade of CIA briefers from taking the stand to explain all the Very Important things Libby was obsessed with, in addition to outing a CIA NOC. Basically, Walton is arguing--as he and Team Fitz did in the trial--that all the classified information provisionally declassified for the trial was only admissible if Libby took the stand to explain how those Very Important things affected his state of mind. With two footnotes, Walton makes it very clear that any decisions he made in the CIPA hearings were based on the assumption that Libby would testify:
In its Response, the government identified at least a dozen occasions during the CIPA proceedings whent eh defense affirmatively represented that the defendant intended to testify ... and nine instances when the Court's statements suggested that its relevance determinations were predicated upon the defendant's testimony laying the necessary foundation for the admissibility of specific evidence...
In this regard the defendant's disclaimer expressed during the 6(a) proceedings that there remained a possibility that the defendant might not testify merely stated a truism. Although the defendant surely retained then, and retained until the very end of his trial, the choice whether to testify, there can be little doubt that the Court and the parties labored during the CIPA phase of these proceedings under the assumption that the defense would testify as part of his defense.
Once he lays this premise out, Walton goes on to knock down all the bases for Libby's complaints about the excluded testimony. Over and over, Walton basically says: you had the choice to testify or not, to enter this evidence or not. You chose not to, so live with it.
There is one passage in which he goes further. Walton shows that Libby tried to admit the evidence for a purpose (to show his Very Important job) beyond that for which it had been declassified (to help Libby show his state of mind when he forgot outing a CIA NOC). In a big old footnote, Walton lays out all the other ways he could have entered information about his Very Important job.
The defendant also had a number of other vehicles of presenting to the jury the nature and scope of his work responsibilities. In fact, during the defendant's case, John Hannah, the Vice President's current National Security Advisor, and formerly the defendant's deputy, testified about the nature and scope of the national security work the defendant performed during the critical dates of this case. And had he chosen to do so, the defendant could have also recalled David Addington during his case to testify about the scope of his responsibilities as Chief-of-Staff to the Vice President, a position also held by the defendant during the times pertinent to this case. Additionally, the defendant's former administrative assistant [Jenny Mayfield] could have been called as a witness to discuss his daily schedule, and his calendars could have been introduced as exhibits to show the jury the demands of the defendants' daily schedule. Moreover, the defendant could have called the Vice President to testify concerning the issues he directed the defendant to address and upon which the Vice President expected the defendant would devote his time and attention.
This last bit is the real smack-down. The Year of Iran Hannah, of course, turned into a total flop as soon as Fitzgerald asked Hannah what it meant if Libby took two hours out of his day to meet with someone, as he did when he leaked Plame's identity to Judy. With Jenny Mayfield, Libby would have introduced another witness who had heard Libby say nothing to corroborate his side of the Cooper conversation; not to mention that Mayfield witnessed some of the top secret scheming about a response to Wilson that took place between Cheney and Hadley and Libby. Maybe Mayfield even knows the content of Libby's missing document . And then there's Cheney himself. Walton lays out the risk precisely, that Cheney could "testify concerning the issues [Cheney] directed the defendant to address." You know. Like outing a CIA NOC. These witnesses might have been able to testify to Libby's Very Important Job--but they're also all direct witnesses to what he was doing instead of attending to that Very Important Job.
Judge Walton is too polite to say it directly. But the subtext here seems to suggest that Libby had plenty of ways to introduce the evidence he claimed to want to introduce--but all of that evidence and those witnesses would only increase the cloud hanging over the Vice President.
I can't tell you how well or poorly this opinion will impress Laurence Silberman if he gets this case on appeal. But I love the way the opinion boils down Judge Walton's exasperated rulings into a polite smack-down of Libby's attempts to game the system.
*Here's something I've been thinking about Wells. Remember how he made that heartfelt plea for Walton not to suspect that Team Libby threatened to call VP to drive jury selection and to call Libby to justify greymail? Well, I can't help but remember that Wells said they first considered not calling Libby after December 22, when they got Jencks.
But if they were seriously considering that in December, why build the Statement into your opening statement? Unless you were still trying to get some benefit from just threatening to call Libby, without actually doing so.
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Interesting post, Marcy, thank you. Are you heading back to Plame House for this week’s vigil?
Thanks for your great work on the trial, and thanks once more to all the folks who make this and The Next Hurrah among my favorite sites.
Indeed, thank you for all that you’ve done. I lurk on these threads about the case. I read and learn, which I truly appreciate.
Dang, thanks for the analysis of Judge Walton’s writings. Fascinating stuff!
petedownunder @
2
Yup, heading out tonight for the last few days (I’m certain) of this thing. Much more relaxed for the visit home, I have to say.
I have to wonder, will resolution of the Libby trial and the achievement of ‘justice’ for the Bush administration occur in my life time? I might be slipping into ‘fed-upness’. I’ll wait’ll the verdict is in though before perhaps sliding into the abyss.
emptywheel @ 6
Travel safely. My bet is now on before lunch Tuesday. At least I hope so, I have to get some work done one of these days.
Drive safe, Marcy! Here’s hoping for a Monday afternoon or Tuesday morning verdict.
A lurker grabs FITZ - hooray.
Thanks for an interesting evaluation of the Walton analysis, I was a bit worried when I read it (IANAL). Thanks to the FDL crew for the great work and for the sacrifices that you make to bring us the trial every day - I can’t wait for next week
I know that this is dumb but, what does IANAL mean. I have been wondering….
I Am Not A Lawyer
So, if Monday, new news cycle. If Tuesday, with the testimony of Iglesias, BIG news all day.
Marcy, Will you clarify the “Jencks” reference…?
“*Here’s something I’ve been thinking about Wells. Remember how he made that heartfelt plea for Walton not to suspect that Team Libby threatened to call VP to drive jury selection and to call Libby to justify greymail? Well, I can’t help but remember that Wells said they first considered not calling Libby after December 22, when they got Jencks.”
… by the way, you’re doing an awesome job!
Thanks.
petedownunder @ 8
Yup. That and I’ve got obligations in local party business that hasn’t received anywhere near the attention it deserves. There’s a board meeting I’d really like to attend in person on Tuesday (which will pretty much require a Monday verdict).
Shorter Marcy: All the witnesses Wells could call will only dig the hole deeper for his client.
All these witnesses were either involved themeselves in the Betrayal of Valerie Plame or were witness to the conspiracy.
Shorter Wells: Oh oh, my client is guilty, guilty, guilty!
Best if we “pretend” that the prosecution didn’t make its case, or maybe we can use that SODDI defense (Some Other Dude Did It). Let’s pin it on Rove and the rest of the WH, and since everbody else was doing it too, my client shouldn’t be the only one going to prison. Give him back to me…whaaaa…sniff!
Thanks Marcy for bringing up the memo. I had been curious about it since it came out. Has Christy, or anyother of the legal folks, been discussing this with you? I wonder what Fitzgerald and WElls think about it.
SteveW @ 14
Yeah, sorry.
Jencks is when the Prosecution has to hand over all the GJ and FBI interview notes from its witnesses to the defense. Fitz did so on December 22. When Wells was trying to convince Wells that he had threatened to call Scooter and Shooter in good faith (that is, he didn’t just threaten to to get an apolitical jury and to make a bid for greymail), he said he really thought he’d call Scooter until he got Jencks, and realized there was some funkiness with the interviews of Grossman and Grenier.
AZ Matt @ 17
Christy’s got legal analysis coming. We didn’t discuss it, beyond scheduling a one-two posting on it.
emptywheel @ 19
Thanks EW! I will be looking forward to that.
Marcy -
The link you provided at the end of your sentence that I quoted takes me to a PDF version of Judge Walton’s memorandum opinion. Shouldn’t the link lead instead to comments about Libby’s missing document?
Emptywheel!
Thanks for wading through and deciphering the opinion. Fascinating that Walton put this out before the verdict came back.
Any thoughts on how Walton may respond to question one on Monday? And to question two, with the standard definition of reasonable doubt?
Glad you think we’re at the end if this thing. Maybe C U Tuesday if the verdict doesn’t come in tomorrow. Safe trip back to DC.
Hi Marcy! Since Jenny Mayfield was witness to so many nefarious goings on, why do you think Fitz didn’t call her? Was it because she could be a two-way street who could also help Libby show what a busy, important guy he was?
The ‘adversarial’ system of justice, seems, on the face of it, not geared to fairness.
Gee, do you think he would have plead the 5th?
Put in this manner, Bush would have stashed Cheney in deep bunker to be only opened for the Rapture.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 21
Fixed, thanks for alerting me.
Jeff@12: Thanks!
CityGirl @ 22
I suspect we’ll squabble over it for 2 hours on MOnday. But the answers should be very simple. Question 1, about Cooper, is that the obstruction charge is tied to the Perjury charge, not the false statements. So they should consider the list of statements underlined in CHarge 5.
And as to reasonable doubt–Walton could almost answer this question “no.” As many people pointed out, it’s almost snarky, reflecting the impatience of jurors who know that the sheer physical possibility of something is not reasonable doubt. But that’s the one Wells will fight over, I’m sure.
Hi Marcy - good post, and thanks (as always) for the incisive analysis. In your last sentence, did you mean to say “the VP,” as you did in the preceding paragraph, instead of “Libby”?
My guess, IANAL (and I of course defer to the analsis of Marcy), is that Fitz did not want to wade into any territory that might trigger the grey mail issue. I think he brilliantly kept the scope of the trial limited to avoid the tangles that will undoubtably come out when hunting the bigger fish. For now, such a mess would have only helped the folks at the top of the conspiracy stave off future indictments and it would have also tipped them off as to what information Fitz has against them. Right now, leaving all of them guessing and nervous serves his needs as prosecutor.
That’s my take on it…but EW and others know much more than I do.
Regardless of the verdict, the legal profession might want to take a look at reform.
The Nefarious Leslie @ 29
Nope.
Wells made his statement abotu two possible headfakes: threating to call Cheney (which allowed them to vet the jury for strong political leanings), and threatening to call Libby (which was the logic behind the greymail attempt).
But only the Libby headfake really pertains to this opinion. My point is just that, by his own account, Wells already had backed off his certainty about calling Libby when he used the statement in his opening. Which really diminishes the strength of his complaint.
I like Judge Walton. He seems really fair.
If I’m on the jury, I’m thinking Scooter is such a liar that he even hires lawyers that are liars. They promised to put Libby and Cheney on the stand, but they’re such liars they didn’t do it.
“Vested interests”. I am so weary of this concept.
EW– You’ve been very busy this weekend with your analysis and professional responsibilities. I and all of your other fans here hope that you took Pac’s personal homework assignment just as seriously. ;-) Stay well and thanks for all of the great work. Hope that it’s a short and happy week in DC.
I suppose it’s late in the game for me to be pointing this out, but I think this might be a misquote.
In the liveblog thread where this started, you typed “maybe after the case” — which, theoretically at least, could mean within the trial, after the government has presented its case. IANAL, so I suppose those who are might be able to weigh in on whether “the case” is used in that shorthand sense.
I believe the children are the future.
“He’s the only one who can turn this country around from the mess that it’s headed toward,” added James Kimmey, 19, a student at conservative leader Jerry Falwell’s college, Liberty University, in Lynchburg, Va.
Yep, he’s talking about Newt Gingrich.
-GSD
I also think there might be some lingering irritation about the question during voir dire WRT Cheney.
Surely there are some on the jury who share the public low opinion of Dick, and the testimony surely outed his role in this scam, so someone must be thinking about this issue.
I guess it is not part of the testimony per se, so they can’t consider it/bias. Nevertheless. . .
JeffinBerlin @ 12
I’m not a lawyer either, but I still enjoy trying to follow this case. We probably have people from all walks of life here at FDL. All the same, some of the acronyms used here can be quite confusing. “IANAL” comes up frequently, and I wonder if it means something, or is it kind of like the two racers on Talledega Nights who trade the (seemingly) meaningless affirmation “Shake & Bake!!!” back and forth as a bonding ritual. Anyway, “IANAL, y’all,” and GO Fitz!!!
emptywheel @ 32
Got it - thanks.
Swopa @ 36
Swopa, you of all people know not to use the liveblog as a transcript!
I’m not working from a transcript with this quote, but I’m quite certain this is closer to teh reality than the liveblog–I compared notes with two good journalists after teh fact. One had noted the same thing I did, and it is his version I’m using here. More importantly, all three of us came out with the same shock that Wells had used such language, so the connotation of it, regardless of the words, was something all three of us understood in the same way.
you funny, Jeffinberlin. Just spelling it out, IANAL, I Am Not A Lawyer. Either.
The Nefarious Leslie @ 40
It does look like Judge Walton is saying, “You wasted my precious time, you wankers!” Or something to that effect.
EW @ 41… Just checking. :)
Matt AZ: It does look like Judge Walton is saying, “You wasted my precious time, you wankers!” Or something to that effect.
Walton prolly not an angry liberal.
ok - please help my tiny, tired little mind - by Scooter not taking the stand - did he cut his own self off at the knees on having an appealable issue (memory defense)?
and, if Libby wants to appeal on some of the counts, not all, can he be put in the slammer in the meantime?
Oh goodie! A ONE-TWO Marcy-Christy punch!
It just doesn’t get any better!
Thanks guys. You spoil us, and we just gobble up every crumb. ;->
Gromit @
35
DITTO!
Obama and Hillary. God deliver me!
Thanks Ms. Marcy! Safe travels.
Oh, how I am begging for sweet and swift justice.
just an fyi– Obama coming up live in Selma on cspan1 if you’re interested.
(I know OK @ 49!)
bg @ 45
He probably doesn’t curse a bluestreak when some lawyer messes with him. Just writes a memo that will make life very difficult for the offender.
Kinda looks as if most on the jury want to committ Libby to the fires of hell- but they’ve got a wing nut hold out who insists that there’s reasonable doubt.
If that’s the way it’s been going since the deliberations started- they’re ready to kill the wingnut by now. I suspect that there will be some intense social pressure developing!
“Reasonable doubt doesn’t mean ALL DOUBT you friggin idiot!”
Matt AZ: He probably doesn’t curse a bluestreak when some lawyer messes with him. Just writes a memo that will make life very difficult for the offender.
* * *
He just has better manners than rabid lambs.
Marcy, the very clean & smooth turning Wheel! (I can’t wait to read Christy’s analysis, btw)
This is truly great stuff. I hate getting all sentimental, but I have to say once again, I am in awe of your ability to attend closely to both the text and the nuance within it is astonishing, and provides all of us IANAL types with the capacity to really “see” what is happening here.
Someone upthread mentioned Walton’s fairness, and I am not only impressed with that, but his intelligence. As I have watched this trial unfold on this blog, I have gradually seen that Walton has been very canny in the way that he has protected his rulings/court management from being overturned/attack in an appeal process. Which will make whatever verdict the jury comes back with all that much more credible (I am certain at this point that Libby will be convicted on Obstruction and some of the perjury/lying charges, which is good enough for me).
One more thing: Wells. Again, IANAL, but one has to admire his chuzpah and dedication to his client. I would love to hear a defense lawyer (Jeralyn, Christy, Looseheadprop???) to elaborate on the kabuki dance that occurs between an honorable officer of the court (which I think Wells is) and a lying scum-bag of a client/defendant.
bg @ 53
It would have been interesting to see if Cheney would have cursed at Fitzgerald under questioning.
I really, really, really, really want Scooter in jail. And I want him in jail THIS WEEK.
OldCoastie @ 56
I want this almost as much as hearing that there will be more indictments coming.
Great piece, Marcy. :) This opinion is chock full of legal goodies — and I’m trying to wrestle my take into a manageable size, with as little legalese as is necessary for the non-lawyers out there. And it is not cooperating — but I promise something further on this at some point this evening or tomorrow morning, depending on how much The Peanut decides to share me today.
Interesting article on “reasonable doubt”
here on the ‘Net. I’m sure it was defined in the jury instructions but there is legal support for other definitions that the judge could use to explain it to the jury.
AnnieW @ 57
the vision of him getting slapped in handcuffs and led off, pending sentencing, I would imagine, would get a few people’s attention far and wide.
rwcole @
52
Rather climb a tree to tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth.
From the TNH link, regarding the missing Libby document, of the “talking points” partial NIE leak to Judy, at
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c.....sing_.html
I hope it gets found too, but one possibility is that it was typed and printed, but not explicitly saved. Maybe it only went into some shopping bag under some desk somewhere in the Hamptons?
If it had been me doing the deed I would certainly not have hit the File->Save, knowing I was on thin ice with the declassification issues surrounding it. And perhaps most especially if it included a “Plame” bullet.
Rushton @ 39
Jeff was answering the question, “What does IANAL mean?” It means, I Am Not A Lawyer.
Mad Dogs @
16
Yep. Once it became apparent just how tangled everything was for ‘ol Scooter, it was no surprise the defense was so short.
Great analysis, Marcy.
stingray @ 62
Stingray
You’re on the right track–this document appears not to have surfaced, which would be the best indication they skimmed the most damaging evidence off the stack of evidence to be turned over.
But keep in mind, it is almost certain that the claim this was about leaking the NIE is just a cover story for leaking something else, either the trip report or Plame’s identity.
Hey Marcy!
I was reading Walton at 3am the other night, laughing out loud at some of his choice phrases.
He did everything except say “Sadly, No.”
Wouldn’t wanna be the defense trying to construct an appeal right about now. They could barely mount a defense in the first place, then shifted it all between opening and closing statements. At least they’re well paid.
Christy Hardin Smith @
58
I for one will be eagerly anticipating it!
At first glance I was kind of panicked at note #2 - but after looking at it - a reasonable scenario is most of the jury is trying to convince one (or a couple) of holdouts.
But, on the other hand, it also could be someone on the jury who thinks the majority are applying an impossible standard for finding guilt - which wouldn’t be good.
Arrgghh. Tea leaves reading is not my forte. I will be glad when we have a verdict. Hopefully by Tuesday.
egregious @ 66
Well, you’re genetically (though not actually) a lawyer, so I should take your word for it. But it does worry me greatly that Laurence Silberman will oversee this appeal. He basically arranged to overturn several of the Iran-Contra convictions, and he’s in a better place to do so with this than he was then.
THere are at least two more issues on which they may try to appeal–the materiality claim (that the Cooper and Russert lies weren’t material to the investigation in Fall 2003, though I think Fitz responded really well to this one), and that Team Fitz didn’t turn over enough about what they “promised” Ari before they gave him immunity. I think the latter is a red herring; I think they thought they were getting–and maybe got–more on someone else they were investigating than on Libby.
But one thing Wells seems skilled at–throwing everything at the wall to see what stuck. I presume he’ll follow the same approach for appeal, too.
I also hope to God no one on the jury spent the weekend researching reasonable doubt - because then I think we get a mistrial.
(Okay, I am going to try and be less of a worrywart - starting now. )
annx @ 68
It’s all tea leaves, and may mean something, or not. We all just have to wait. Speculating on these questions is just a waste of nervous energy.
are any of the counts so rock solid that they can’t be appealed?
emptywheel @ 6
Excellent. Now I can catch up on my work tomorrow.
Delurking again. Thanks EW for the great post. WRT the missing document, it sounds like someone has it. And like you said,
Didn’t Fitz pretty much say this in closing? And maybe this document is the smoking gun and in the sealed v. sealed indictment if there is one?
Is it at all wierd that Walton released this before the jury is back with the verdict?
Has anyone started a dead pool for the number of guilty counts and years sentenced?
I’m going with 4 and 3.
Btw, still job hunting. And I’m experiencing age discrimination for the first time. Anyone else dealing with that?
OldCoastie @ 72
You know, I was thinking the same thing. What constitutes “appealability?” And it it different for each count?
egregious @ 73
Thanks again for filling in so I could get home on Friday. mr. emptywheel thanks you, McCaffrey the MilleniaLab thanks you, and I thank you.
OT– my, my– Reverand Lowery on fire on cspan1– talking about how we need more “good crazy” people going to the polls!
Hey Marcy — nice to see that bit about calling Libby and the Jencks material back in December.
It’s been bugging me since Wells opened by saying, “I’m Ted Wells and I speak for Libby”.
The jury certainly understood he was the defense attorney, could have done with his name only…so why the declaration of agency?
Nice work on this analysis, as always. Have a nice trip this evening.!
Whether law school or business school, good teachers tell you to look for the juicy stuff in the footnotes.
I think the jury was just waiting for the Anna Niclole story to be firmly buried and forgotten by the media, can’t believe the papers at court had Anna cut out of them.
emptywheel @
6
Me too. Am catching the train back to DC this afternoon, will see you there.
emptywheel @ 78
Yr welcome, my pleasure. Would be fun to meet them sometime when I’m visiting my aunt and cousins up there.
Rayne @ 80
Jeralyn says he does that all the time. He did much of the same, “I have been protecting him” schtick with Espy that he did with Libby. She was going to do a preview of what to expect–she should have, looks like she would have nailed it.
Yes, let’s play, What if Libby gets convicted. What does Team Fitz have in its legal arsenal to get Libby sent directly to jail? Can he say, “this is an on-going investigation and the reason it is on-going is because this guy obstructed justice, lied and perjured himself, therefore we ask that he be sent directly to jail for these crimes since at the moment he is still obstructing justice.” IANAL, anyone else out there care to speculate or weigh in on what the legal arguments are for remanding him into custody are?
*waves hi to Jane*
wow. Marcy. more juicy stuff for your next book. when is that coming out by the way and can I reserve my copy now? and you and Redd are tag-teaming on this? double wow.
Travel safely, Jane.
Thank all y’all for what you do, everyday.
John Lewis is now on fire on cspan. Perhaps us “good crazy” progressives need to take a lesson from the civil rights struggle.
There are lives in the balance.
Fitzgerald’s (I think correct) assertion that the Russert charges would hold up even if Russert had moved onto that great newsroom in the sky
I found this wording strange and faintly ominous. Almost as if anticipating someone else’s calculation that the other side would benefit from an “accident” if the case would be tried again.
emptywheel @
85
Wells is so going to have to come up with a new schtick after this, now that everybody knows to expect it.
Heh.
edit: Wouldn’t Wells’ schtick make for campy fun on SNL?
Jane Hamsher @ 83
I took the train from DC to NY and over to Connecticut many years ago and thought it was a very nice way to go. I love looking at the views as you pass through countryside and towns. Hope you can relax on the way.
Rayne @ 91
I have always wondered why Fitz (who had certainly done his homework on Wells) did not give the jury just a little preview in his closing so that either the jury would know it was coming or force Wells to come up with something else. I have always thought it dangerous to do the same spiel in every case.
“Judge Walton is too polite to say it directly. But the subtext here seems to suggest that Libby had plenty of ways to introduce the evidence he claimed to want to introduce–but all of that evidence and those witnesses would only increase the cloud hanging over the Vice President.”
Thus, it seems to me, from the analysis of the trial I’ve read here, that Scooter’s Legal Team did not “go big” in defending their client. Walton knows it and is declaring it in this opinion. Imo, it loudly screams “I protected you Cheney now where’s my pardon.”
petedownunder @ 93
What’s to say that wasn’t what Zeidenberg was doing with his closing statements? They certainly worked like a charm!
petedownunder @ 93
Fitzgerald didn’t do the first closing statement by the prosecution. He spoke after Wells.
I agree with the premise that Zeidenberg had Wells going around in circles. Cut off at the knees. Yr choice of metaphor here.
rat bastahd @
94
In other words, Libby in his trial has committed exactly the offense he is on trial for.
Keeping the Statement out of evidence was indeed a close call. I was there for the legal arguments, and tempers were running high. There was a search for the winning phrases to push the argument over the top, and it was not smooth. Bonamici helped push the process forward in a very helpful way.
It was also close on having the CIA handlers testify. The problem is that high government people are using to handling the crisis du jour, but the jury would have been frightened sick to hear the details of these morning briefings. Terror trial indeed. The judge was persuaded this would be prejudicial against the government. The government being Fitzgerald, not those people in OVP.
Overall I was deeply impressed by the desire to present a fair case to the jury.
Channeling Marcy:
Buy the Book!!
[upper left hand corner of our page. It provides money for FDL if you click thru our ads.]
Channeling me*:
Please go to the major sellers and write nice book reviews. I thank you.
*me, egr, not me3. Where is he/she anyway? My ears still echo from “WRITE LETTERS!” Ow.
I want some justice and I want it
soonnow.“me” was the Jason Leopold of blog commenters
OldCoastie @ 100
I would have prefered it a couple of years ago myself but if it shows up tomorrow and Well’s White Horse gets shot out from under him then that is fine with me.
bellesouth @ 74
EW may clarify this, but my basis for believing it was just a cover story for the real leak is the intent behind the meeting. He leaked only portions of a document, the NIE, that he now claims Cheney said had been fully declassified. And those portions were to defend the case they’d built for WMDs. Even told Judy they were key points, when some of the “talking point” bullets were only minor addendums. If his intent had been something honest he would have disclosed the whole thing (and not just to her..) but he was clearly a mission to discredit Wilson and his allegations instead.
Which all points to him likely leaking Plame explicitly, and the possibility EW has suggested that what really got insta-declassified was her identity, in addition to or - more likely - instead of the NIE.
That leads to the possibility that Cheney told Libby her identity had been declassified. And if he did tell Libby that, then was it really declassed, and if so, then who did it, and using what legal procedure?
When Cheney went on Fox, supposedly to talk about the shotgun incident, he got a softball question at the end about the Libby trial, almost as if it was a pre-interview agreement. Cheney, instead of “refusing to discuss the ongoing investigation” instead came out and claimed that he had been given declassification powers by Bush, but that that was all he could say about the case.
My guess, by no means a certainty, is that if it all comes down then Cheney will make the case that he was the one who de-classed Plame’s identity, and gave Libby the marching orders to “leak” it, but that it was all somehow legal.
There just have to be significant problems with that scenario, if that really is Cheney’s bottom line. I’m very curious to know if he told the FBI this story when questioned.
Stretching this even further, I am also curious if Fitz is trying to corroborate this scenario thru Libby, in order to bolster something that could seriously backfire on Cheney, or even Bush, depending on who really authorized the outing… assuming again that really is what they did, or claim they legally did.
I don’t recall - Have we seen any evidence of the NIE’s official declassification and its date? Anyone?
*waves to LindaR*
Sidenote: Walton’s memo answered one nagging question for me: the Andrea Mitchell situation. After all that squabbling, Walton finally told Team Libby that they could haul Mitchell into court and question her under oath, but they had to first do it outside the presence of the jury to prove that her testimony would be relevant. The next day, nothing happened. Turns out Team Libby declined the chance to question Mitchell if the jury wasn’t going to be there. Frankly, I don’t see how they can appeal this. They had a way to get her on the stand, and they chose not to use it.
Marcy sez this in her post:
If anyone’s wondering why Libby (and by implication Libby’s boss Dick) would want to protect Addington, remember: He’s the evil amoral jerk who came up with the plan to game the signing statements to neuter the legislative branch (Congress) and transfer its power to the executive (White House). Unless his underlings have learned well from him how to game the system, throwing him under the bus suddenly reduces Bush/Cheney’s own power.
Hmmm stingray….
I don’t see how anyone, the Pres and V.P. included, could legally declassify a covert agent. The V.P having the power to declassify documents at will seems a big enough legal stretch, but declassifying covert people…
Can anyone in the legal profession comment on that?
egregious @
99
I second that. Anatomy of Deceit is a truly remarkable book. Go out and buy one today (or order thru FDL link for ad revenue)! Great to have BEFORE the verdict and a must read for the civil trial! Hurry , hurry, hurry.
Marcy,
You didn’t see page 49. Hmmmmmmmmm……
Team Libby,pw3nd.
Sincerely,
Judge Walton
rat bastahd @
107
Although I’m not a lawyer, I think that it is safe to say, based on what I have seen discussed on previous FDL threads, that you are right: nobody, including the President and Vice President, can legally declassify the status of a covert agent. Had it been possible to do that, how could the CIA have referred the disclosure of her covert status to the Justice Department for investigation?
ot– Obama giving a revised Bill Cosby speech at the Selma AME church to rousing applause.
Hillary, fyi, you and your money machine are getting smoked.
No appeals are necessary. Bush will wave his magic Preznit wand and make it all go away. Once that happens, Republicans will act as if the whole thing never happenned.
rat bastahd @ 107
My speculation is that Cheney had to assume Libby would come clean at some point and tell Fitz that it was on Cheney’s word that he thought Plame was de-classed. And so Cheney’s fallback position became that he was authorized to do it by Bush, and did do it, legally.
As you say - there would surely have to be very significant legal issues with that!
It also brings up the possibility that Dick let Libby lie his ass off to the GJ trying to protect him, when Dick had already gone much further to the FBI.
Badwater @ 111
this is why I want to see him put in cuffs right there in the courtroom - seems to me it might take a couple hours for shrub to get his pardon pen humming. I at least think Libby should be put in the orange jumpsuit and taken to be processed.
OldCoastie @ 114
I’d like that too.
Marcy, thank you for your wonderfully clear explanation of the significance of the defense’s shell game, and Walton’s recognition of it. You share with Fitz the ability to sift through the complex and make it clear.
stingray @ 113
I’m sorry you’ve been declassified.
I’m sorry you’ve been decitizenshipped.
I’m sorry you’ve been deleted.
Hillary on CNN is boring the snot outta me.
Hillary coverage following Obama’s was not a good thing.
stingray @ 10:48
I’m not sure that even the President had legal authority to declassify her covert status; I don’t see any justification for it, even in Executive Order 13292. Has a covert agent’s status ever been declassified? If so, what were the circumstances that supposedly permitted declassification of what is supposed to be a very closely guarded secret?
What do you think he said to the FBI and/or to Fitz? If his statements contradicted Scooter’s statements to the FBI or Scooter’s grand jury testimony, I can see why neither Dick Cheney nor Scooter could take the stand.
Marcy,
Thank you for your analysis and commentary on Walton’s 48 page opinion explaining his evidentiary decision-making in this trial.
Understanding what the lawyers are trying to do and why, which laywer won which squirmish and which battle, is where the drist of the story lies.
You’re the best.
drist = grist
(waving to all of the former lurkers who have come out in this thread)
Welcome - and keep contributing!
Marcy or Christy or someone who knows for sure: I’ve heard it bandied about on FDL that if Irving Libby is convicted of any crimes, and if Bush grants him a pardon, it means that Libby STILL is guilty, and he loses his 5th amendment rights in any future proceedings (such as, if he was served a subpoena in an investigation about Cheney or others). Is this true, a theory that is unclear, or is it incorrect?
OldCoastie @ 117
dittooooooooooooo.
I cannot believe the complete transformation of the woman I could have gotten behind, she was a fine first lady and needs to stay with her NY’ers as the senator for her constituents.
NOT my president.
She is Shillary.
Someone help me understand…why is the jury focusing on Cooper when they only have to find that one of the three statements is false? If they believe that Russert did not tell Libby, why does it matter whether or not they believe Cooper when it comes to the obstruction charge?
LandOfTheFree @
123
He must admit guilt as a condition of accepting a pardon, according to a 1915 United States Supreme Court decision (Burdick v. United States). Furthermore, pardons will not shield him from civil suits, and as you correctly mentioned in your comment, he loses his Fifth Amendment rights in future proceedings. The only outcome that could possibly benefit Scooter is acquittal on all charges.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 125
wow, that rather sounds like “between a rock and a hard place” to me…
thank you, marcy. we owe you and America owes you.
also, let’s hear it for Judge Reggie Walton.
and i don’t have a clue as to what the jury will say or when they will say it.
finally, IANAL, but i am not a lawyer ……
Teresa @
125
If you haven’t already done so, clicking on this link to one of Marcy’s Next Hurrah threads might answer your questions:
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c....._doub.html
Stephen Parrish, CPA - thanks so much for the confirmation.
My understanding is that the Wilsons are planning a civil suit. Scooter’s gonna be tied up in legal wranglings for a long, long time.
I think Scooter will flee the country the first chance he gets - no wonder he and his wife are laughing and posing for the cameras!
fahrender @ 128: I was planning on posting tomorrow morning “IM ANAL” - “It’s Monday, Again, Not a Lawyer”. :)
Teresa @ 125
emptywheel has suggested (but is not sure) that there are tick marks on the ballot for count 1, so the jurors can indicate which falsehoods contributed to the guilty vote: statements 1, 2, and/or 3. So what is the jury doing? I agree, it’s puzzling and disturbing. Are they simply being fastidious? Why are they debating this Cooper question at all, unless they haven’t resolved the Russert charges? Could they find guilty on the Cooper charges and not on the Russert charges? Stranger things have happened….
The reasonable doubt question leads me to believe they are close to guilty on at least some charges, probably the Russert charges, but have at least one juror who needs to sleep on the decision. The Cooper charges, I believe, are being considered alongside… in the end, I won’t be surprised by a split verdict.
Max Blumenthal of the Nation made an incredible documentary of CPAC:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs.....pid=171489
OldCoastie @
131
Should he be convicted, won’t he have to surrender his passport?
Thanks Steven and QuickSilver. I guess I could understand it better if the jury’s question related to the Cooper charge itself. But it relates to Count 1, the obstruction charge, right?
You may be right about the verdict form requiring them to mark each charge in the obstruction count. I think Jeralyn has the verdict form so I’ll go check it again.
something tells me these guys don’t “need no stinkin’ passport”… he’s probably got a drawer full of passports, all with different names.
hey Firedgos,
just back from the grocery wars (we didn’t buy beef)
general question - in all our Plame travels, has anyone come across a good primer for lay people on State Secrets ?
Judge Walton gagged Sibel Edmonds with it, and I see from yesterday - 4th Circuit denied al-Masri’s appeal on a State Secrets cover - anyone ?
LandOfTheFree @ 132
never on monday …….
From over at HuffPo:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....42569.html
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 119
My wild-ass guess is Cheney and Bush told the FBI that they declassed her, and they believed she was not covert anyway. That’s the Toensing line - it may really be their bottom line defense.
If Fitz had that from Cheney then he could have used it against Libby. One reason for Fitz to not use Cheney’s story would be if Fitz didn’t believe that story either. Because Grenier (?) testified he told Cheney and Libby explicitly that the wife was covert, right?
While Cheney and Libby may have differing stories, Fitz may believe they are both lying. That’s why he did not use Cheney’s lie to prove Libby was lying.
For all we know, Cheney may have been right if he decided that outing her would cause no damage to the CIA, based on a conversation that we haven’t seen anything about. But even if that were true, he should surely have done it by the book, which would have included getting agreement from the CIA, before spewing it.
Libby could sure help clarify things if he turned state’s evidence, but Cheney has several potential problems confronting him even if they can’t flip him. A dark cloud floating over his head is one thing, but his statements to the FBI may be the lightning.
I sure hope we know the truth of it some day.
OldCoastie @ 137
maybe Al Qaeda in Uraguay will look him up …..
petedownunder @71
“speculating on these questions is just a waste of nervous energy”
In other words…worrying does not change anything…
If you cannot make it back, can they “conference” you in a via the phone? To be effective it requires a sophisticated microphone to catch the debate on their end.
emptywheel @ 65
“You’re on the right track–this document appears not to have surfaced, which would be the best indication they skimmed the most damaging evidence off the stack of evidence to be turned over.
But keep in mind, it is almost certain that the claim this was about leaking the NIE is just a cover story for leaking something else, either the trip report or Plame’s identity.”
Relative to wehat was leaked, is it clear to us what classified info was declassified?
http://www.talkleft.com/LibbyTrial/VerdictForm.pdf
Sorry I don’t know how to link this properly. I promise to practice on an old thread.
This is the verdict form that Jeralyn received from Randall Samborn, DOJ spokesperson. It does not list the statements individually. So if they find quilty on the Russert charge, what does it matter about Cooper (for the obstruction charge)?
Isn’t it wonderful Hillary is so adament about the need for honest elections………. after all, she has only been in the Senate for six (LONG) years, (where she pretty much forgot “we the people”?)
Old Coastie…If Scooter doesn’t flee the country…do you think there’s a chance he could turn up conveniently “dead”, like Kenny Boy?
Well, I guess it linked itself :)
The president was also interview. I would very much like to know what they said in their interview with Fitz…both cheney and libby, given the fact that at least some of the record suggests…that the president was in fact, knowledgeable at least on some level about what was going on. This fascinates me. What did they say to fitz?? Especially now that we know how fitz grills people.
cbl @
138
Since this country doesn’t have a state secrets law (and I haven’t looked at the line of reasoning the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals utilized), let’s start with this approach in an attempt to answer your questions by looking at section 1.7 of Executive Order 13292:
I stole this gem (imho) on “reasonable doubt” from a tnh thread:
I have to say that I have the utmost admiration for the Prosecution Team in all this. The anger that I feel, just knowing what I’ve read about here - nevermind what THEY know that I don’t, would incapacitate me. I would be spluttering and ready to challenge someone to a duel (that’s illegal now, right?). I happen to believe in the principles this country was founded on, and in the rule of law…our only protection (until now) from these circling hyenas.
Teresa @ 125
I haven’t seen the final verdict form. But at one point, count 1 was going to have chits they had to check off to show which counts supported the obstruction charge. If that’s still true, then they need to answer each question anyway–and they should do it in any case, for legal clarity.
Teresa at 11:46 am
Wrt the link, you did fine, the link works, that’s all that matters.
everhopeful @ 23
I am very interested in this question, as well!
Teresa @ 146
This is the PDF version of the indictment - hope this will help:
http://www.justice.gov/usao/il.....102005.pdf
John Casper @ 144
That’s what we’re planning on. GIves the treasurer cover, for being on vacation in Las Vegas, who will be doing the same thing.
I have to admit I am once again worried about what’s going on with the jurers
I can’t possibly believe anyone has to wonder what “reasonable doubt” is in order to convict libby.
I fear this is a hold out and nothing is going to cinvince them into cinvicting a memeber of the administration
OfT, I have been considering that we and the media are all so focussed on the IIPA. I assume we have lots of other laws against releasing classified information before it was declassified besides the IIPA?
Thanks guys. If the verdict form Jeralyn has is the final one, I still can’t understand why they need to focus on Cooper unless they don’t believe the Russert charge which I would be blown away if they didn’t. Maybe they are just being extremely thorough and going through each charge before actually filling out the verdict form.
Regarding Scooter’s ability to flee without a passport, according to an earlier thread, since he is Jewish, he could go to Israel without a passport. Is it the right of return? Or the rite of return?
With respect to Walton’s comments, Libby’s attorneys made a concsious decision not to put more witnesses on the stand to support the “I was very busy defense”. They did so because in cross, Fitzgerald would have raised the issue of how busy could he have been if he went for a two hour lunch with Mille. How busy could he have been saving the world from terrorism if he had time for a two hour lunch with a reporter?
The more witnesses who testified how busy he was, the more clearer Fitzgerald would have been able to point out the silliniess of the point given he took a two hour lunch at the saem time he was trying to save the world. One witness, Hannah, was enough to plant the seed of the defense and then argue it in closing arguments hoping to catch a sympathetic juror - sounds like he hooked one. It’s a risky tack, but it seems to me it was Wells’ best play. The reality is that had Well’s put more witnesses on to support the defense, the weaker the defense would have become.
What’s better than the actual assertion of the defense with one witness, Wells has preserved an issue on Appeal that may have merit. Libby is going to be convicted of something, the questions are really about whether the convictions will be reversed or there will be a pardon. With respect to reversal, Walton is covering his bases so he isn’t reversed.
It seems Walton has done a pretty decent job to date. I’d be interested how he responds to the juror’s note about reasonable doubt and whether he sequesters them this week. The jury should have been done a long time ago. I get the feeling that too many of the jurors are playing wannabe lawyers. The questions posed on Friday are esoteric ones that you hear out of second year law students or pot smokers.
IANAL ->BACKWARD(LANAI)
John Casper @
160
Yes, we do - look at 18 USC 793.
rat bastahd @ 107
According to the law, the agency gead (CIA director) has to be consulted but you forget that this adminisration will asert authorities in direct condlift with the law under novel legal theories. Challenging these theories will take a case to the Supreme Court before standing is determined. Shorter: BuchCo claims the authority, its up to the lengthy legal process to prove it wrong.
PunchPrincess @ 162
I read somewhere a long time ago, not sure if it’s true, that Libby and many of the other neo-cons have Israeli passports and many also have dual citizenship.
I have no idea if this is true. Maybe it was someone’s idea of a smear, but I think in theory it could be correct.
PunchPrincess @
162
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.....urn#Israel
Katie Jacob @ 11
Gee, I always figure there was a fancy character that didn’t come through, and it really signifies “I {heart} ANAL.”
Re. Libby’s “Jewishness”
http://www.opinionjournal.com/.....=110008836
“As for the question of “race,” the problem can’t be “self-determination” of a group, because the propriety of that principle seems rather well-accepted. “Jewishness” is not a racial identity, but complaints about Israel being a “Jewish state” are often put in terms of the Law of Return being “racist.” The Law of Return is based on ethnic (not racial) heritage and grants anyone with a Jewish grandparent automatic citizenship (the Israeli Supreme Court has held that one is not eligible for the Law of Return if one has adopted the Christian religion, because in the complex area of Jewish identity, Jews who become Christians have left the Jewish people).”
Teresa @ 161
I’m not sure it is–I dont see that one on the docket. Will try to figure out tomorrow whether it is or not. But hopefully, by then, we’ll have the signed and sealed one, huh?
bookwoman @ 147
that also would be very convenient…
Thanks for the excellent comment.
FWIW,
OT, thanks SP,CPA.
perris @ 12:02 pm, Teresa @ 12:03 pm, and William Jensen @ 12:06 pm -
It’s possible that whatever quibbling over semantics the jurors have been engaging in can be dispensed with tomorrow morning, along with whatever lingering doubts they presently harbor.
I think jurors will be in their Sunday best tomorrow.
OldCoastie @ 175
Can you imagine how crazed we’re all gonna be if they are? Calling in sick, counting the seconds, pacing the floor…
John Casper @ 173
exactly.
when i was busy, i’d eat lunch at my desk.
when i was really busy, i’d skip lunch.
and that’s after just a latte (for the milk and caffeine) for breakfast.
2 hours at the st. regis? there’s just no way i could/would believe that.
John Casper @ 173
John - what follows is a link that will lead you to 18 USC 793. You might want to look at 18 USC 794 and 18 USC 798:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/usc.....20_37.html
Stingray @ 140 “My wild-ass guess is Cheney and Bush told the FBI that they declassed her, and they believed she was not covert anyway. That’s the Toensing line - it may really be their bottom line defense.”
Wow, that would explain why Tonesing continues to make the claim that Plame was not covert in spite of the fact it’s sounds so outrageous to us who believe was was a CIA NOC with classified status.
Fitz would have to have made his own determination that whatever the Libby/Cheney claim about declassifying her status would not be legal, and then avoid it as an issue in this trial.
emptywheel and Stephen, I hope you’re both right. This suspense is killing me. I hope they decide something soon because I am living in this desk chair. I’m really interested in the discussion tomorrow between the judge and the attorneys on the reasonable doubt question. I hope it doesn’t waste half of the day for the jury though.
Travel safely emptywheel.
OldCoastie, I think the jury will dress up tomorrow either way because they will be expecting to come into the courtroom due to their questions.
Fresh snark upstairs
OldCoastie @ 175
Unfortunately, they will be in any case, bc they know they’ll be brought into the courtroom for an instruction. Recall that last week, they asked not to be brought into the court room for an instruction, because they weren’t in their Sunday best.
They likely saved their questions till the end of the day on Friday because they were wearing jeans.
Lindy @ 152
Lawyers, representing the government and the defense, have more in common with each other than the defendent. (Except in this case where the defendent was a very successful career lawyer and managing partner of a prestigious law firm before he took the job with Cheney.) Counsel for the prosecution and the defense typically respect each others skillfulness and strategy. Animosity doesn’t necessarily arise from the process but it can. What’s most important to the counsel from the two sides is that they win, and that the other side is not given an unfair advantage.
I wasn’t so much talking about the attorneys here, but the magnitude of the crimes. And that “unfair advantage” thing…this is what our founders spent so much time trying to minimize in our constitution. That concept seems to be falling by the wayside for ordinary people.
Everhopeful@176 - I already called in sick Friday, so tomorrow will have the rear view mirror on the cube in working order and many overlapping windows up on my computer screen as I spend another day covertly obsessed with the outcome of this trial.
EW, thanks for the deep understanding. I’ve read the post but not the comments yet, and though i’m EPU’d…
There are several conversations for which, as EW has often said, there are no notes. I don’t know if Fitz has other confirmation of these notes, but it’s very possible Ms. Mayfield knows that those notes were destroyed.
Es geht weiter.
emptywheel @
182
Sadly, your speculation seems completely on target. Look at the bright side, though — being all dressed up they might actually decide that they have someplace to go.
Thanks, Marcy, from one of the many IANALs here, and I’m looking forward to Christy’s post. I guess my concern about Judge Walton’s statements was that they might be considered prejudicial coming before a verdict, but I suppose as long as the jury in no way sees them, it’s o.k.
Assuming the best ( and preparing for the worst… but I’ve said to much already) Chenys bacons goin’ get fried next week. Thats all wells and good but I’d like to see the blowtorch applied to Bushs belly too.
He made that statement to the Fitzer - he has to come clean on it. The buck stops there.
Also Pat the rat Roberts has to cough up that senate report he’s been sitting on like a Taco-bell. PHASE 2! PHASE 2! etc, etc.
Don’t forget all the other unindicted co-conspirators either…Blair, Berlusconi, Howard, etc.
Go wide - sweep up everything - things related - things not. Their roots connect them. Smoke them out and get em on the run…blah, blah, blah, ad nauseum.
Nice recap, EW. [Libby & Cline & Company very much did “game” the CIPA system. Congress: please take note.]
This 48-page Opinion from Judge Walton is a beautifully-crafted stonewall that will surround and help to protect a potential conviction if and when it reaches the Court of Appeals. I’m very glad Judge Walton (and his departing clerk) took the time to carefully and thoroughly spell out in writing these important and well-judged evidence rulings that Walton made from the bench at trial.
egregious @ 98 - I enjoyed your eyewitness account of some of these vigorous arguments in action.
You’re welcome!
Re: posts 103, 107, 110, and now
Stephen Parrish, CPA @
120
I know there’s a new snark upstairs, but this thread is too good to drop.
What you’re all missing here is that Team Libby never raised Executive Order 13292 as a justification. What Marcy wrote elsewhere is that the justification they used was Navy v Egan, which is a lot worse, and shows the imperial mindset of the Cheneyites. I think it was Addington’s testimony. Their actual attitude is that they’re above the law. Law is something that applies to the little people, not to them.
Bob in HI
Don’t get me wrong, I like the camaraderie, but maybe some of you might want to exchange emails with the personal messages. I mean it sort of gets in the way of the info.
One man’s personal message is another man’s info.