Photo from Al Watan, an Arab American newspaper.
As some of you know, along with my media work for Firedoglake, I've been helping out at Today in Iraq compiling the news of the day from Iraqi sources (and others) on Saturdays.
As I read through the Iraqi news, I am struck over and over by how rarely, even now, even in "progressive media" we hear the voices of Iraqis, how rarely we take the time to look with our hearts open to the daily lived reality of the people whose country we occupy.
Instead our news is full of the surreal posturing of non-binding resolutions and of tales of what the occupation is doing to "us" — the cost, the troops, our former international prestige. But each day, Iraqi women wake to wonder where they will find enough food, whether their loved ones will be the next body in the morgue, whether their child will be the one whose illness cannot be treated.
So today, let's instead look with a different lens and listen to some Iraqi women and their husbands as they tell their own stories.
We begin with two tales of daily life from the amazing blog, Inside Iraq , kept by the Iraqi staff of the McClatchy Baghdad Bureau:
At last my heart and mind are at rest, until tomorrow. I was waiting for a phone call from my daughter to tell me she is home safely.
She, like thousands of university students in Iraq, is taking her mid-term tests, starting today. They have a fixed schedule, i.e. are sitting ducks – for ten days.
Since the beginning of this academic year, the students in her college have been led quite a dance; a deadly dance. The college is situated in an area that has become more like a war zone than a normal neighborhood; it is too near Haifa Street for it to quiet down for more than a few days at a stretch. They started out by going to college every day. Their college more like a fortress for its security, than an educational facility.
Attack after attack on the surrounding residential area frightened the Dean into improvising a random lecture schedule that allows them to attend their lectures in no pattern that lasts more than one week.
Result: the administrator of the adjoining hospital was abducted, and then killed. Snipers pick inhabitants and students walking from college to hospital or back. One car stops in front of the entrance, lets out one handcuffed young man, waits for him to take a few steps away … and then he is shot, bait, it turned out. Naïve students run to his aid only to be shot at by snipers on a rooftop of a high building in Haifa Street.
My daughter was not more than twenty meters away.
Yesterday I went to the bank.
Wow! I thought. So many people!
Iraqis are not “bank oriented” people, if they have any excess; they tend to keep it at home. Previous experiences have taught us not to trust banks; they have been known to hold on to your money when you need it in a jiffy!
But looking at the numbers inside that bank, I thought, “I have been out of touch; bad girl.”
I go in, only to find people pushing and shoving one another; fighting, shouting and cursing each other. “This is not normal,” I said to myself. I try to reach the employee with whom I have business, but my efforts are to no avail. One human current pushes me this way and another pulls me that. A proper riot!
I began to have serious misgivings. “What is this all about?” I asked a lady who was trying, in vain, to keep from being crushed between two men, to my right, “Have you got any idea?”
“Where do you come from? Don’t you know that the government is giving people relief? At last we are remembered!”
“Really!! That’s excellent!!” It was my good fortune to be at the bank this day! Although half suffocated, I felt elated at being “remembered”.
“How much?” “10 000 Dinars!” (Equivalent to $7.75, purchasing power: 50 eggs).
Another voice, an Iraqi husband – reported by The Guardian – tells of his worry as his pregnant wife approached the birth of their child:
Birth amid the bloodshed, then some tough choices
When Ahmad Khidr's wife, Nadia, was close to her pregnancy's full term, the Shia grocer drove her to a friend's house each evening before the curfew began.
"We were terrified she would go into labour during the night," said Ahmad, 23. "I did not want to risk taking her to a hospital at night. But there was a midwife living in the house opposite my friend's house. I would pick her up in the morning and take her home. And in the end the baby did come during the night."
Ahmad and Nadia were sitting playing with Mahdi, now six months old. "It is a headache for everyone having a child. Some people spend two or three nights at the hospital waiting for the baby to be born. But then it is very expensive. It can cost them $500 [£257] in fees even before the mother goes into labour. I am a poor man. I could not afford that. I even had to borrow money for the midwife's fees, so I needed to be sure she was close to a midwife.
Beyond the daily struggles Iraqi women face, there is the threat of rape – and the recent statements of two women who have reported rapes by Iraqi government forces as well as the reports of rape by US soldiers continue to enrage the Iraqi people.
The first rape case was reported by a woman named Sabrin al-Janabi of Baghdad. She had said a few days earlier that she was raped by Iraqi policemen to force her to give confessions. Jimaili's confessions are expected to spark wide-scale reactions against the Iraqi government, which leads a massive security campaign in a bid to control a deteriorating security situation in the country.
Despite the denouncing and local as well as international calls on the Iraqi government to start investigating Janabi's claims, the government denied that the rape had occurred in the first place, saying that the investigations proved that Janabi's claims were groundless.
In an unexpected reaction, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has honored the persons accused of raping Janabi, describing them as "honorable."
I hate the media and I hate the Iraqi government for turning this atrocity into another Sunni-Shia debacle- like it matters whether Sabrine is Sunni or Shia or Arab or Kurd (the Al Janabi tribe is composed of both Sunnis and Shia). Maliki did not only turn the woman into a liar, he is rewarding the officers she accused. It's outrageous and maddening.
No Iraqi woman under the circumstances- under any circumstances- would publicly, falsely claim she was raped. There are just too many risks. There is the risk of being shunned socially. There is the risk of beginning an endless chain of retaliations and revenge killings between tribes. There is the shame of coming out publicly and talking about a subject so taboo, she and her husband are not only risking their reputations by telling this story, they are risking their lives.
No one would lie about something like this simply to undermine the Baghdad security operation. That can be done simply by calculating the dozens of dead this last week. Or by writing about the mass detentions of innocents, or how people are once again burying their valuables so that Iraqi and American troops don't steal them.
It was less than 14 hours between Sabrine's claims and Maliki's rewarding the people she accused. In 14 hours, Maliki not only established their innocence, but turned them into his own personal heroes. I wonder if Maliki would entrust the safety his own wife and daughter to these men.
This is meant to discourage other prisoners, especially women, from coming forward and making claims against Iraqi and American forces. Maliki is the stupidest man alive (well, after Bush of course…) if he believes his arrogance and callous handling of the situation will work to dismiss it from the minds of Iraqis.
By doing what he is doing, he's making it more clear than ever that under his rule, under his government, vigilante justice is the only way to go. Why leave it to the security forces and police? Simply hire a militia or gang to get revenge. If he doesn't get some justice for her, her tribe will be forced to… And the Janabat (the Al Janabis) are a force to be reckoned with.
Maliki could at least pretend the rape of a young Iraqi woman is still an outrage in todays Iraq…
Over the last few days, we have seen the very vengeance cycle Riverbend describes play out with the kidnapping and summary execution of 18 Iraqi policemen – and with calls from Al Maliki for revenge for those policemen.
And Iraqi voices, remembering the rape and murder of the young girl Abeer by american troops, make the connection between the crimes of american soldiers and the license given to the Maliki government by the occupation.
Do you think it is an accident that we call your army “the rapist army?” Do you think that rape of Abeer was the only such committed by your troops? Do you think that the rapes being committed by the puppet army of your puppet government are the only such?
Finally, we have the threatened execution of three young Iraqi women – here reported by Dahr Jamail and Ali Al-Fadhily:
Outrage over Imminent Execution of Iraqi Women:
Three young women accused of joining the Iraqi insurgency movement and engaging in "terrorism" have been sentenced to death, provoking protest from rights organisations fearing that this could be the start of more executions of women in post-Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
The execution of the three — Wassan Talib, Zaineb Fadhil and Liqa Omar Muhammad — are scheduled to begin Mar. 3.
One of the three alleged "terrorists", Muhammad, 25, gave birth to a daughter after her arrest and is still nursing the child in prison. A second, Talib, 31, is also in prison with her three-year-old child, according to Amnesty International.
Independent lawyers have expressed strong criticism of the trials, saying they were "unfair" and violated international conventions. The accused were denied the right of legal defence, Walid Hayali, a lawyer, said. He was barred from representing the three in court, he added. "No lawyer was given the opportunity to do his job," a close friend of Talib confirmed to IPS. But the right to independent legal representation was guaranteed under international law, lawyers here said. The passing of a death sentence on the mother of a newly born child was also in violation of a specific UN safeguard, they added.
There are over 2,000 women classified as "security detainees", according to Mohamed Khorshid. It is not known for certain how many have been executed since August 2004, but it is believed the figure is between 50 and 100.
In an update from The Brussels Tribunal on Saturday, word came that that the executions have been stayed pending appeals but there is still no assurance that they will have access to any legal representation or to a fair hearing. As the Tribunal writes :
Today we received information via the UN Working Group on Arbitrary Detention that the three Iraqi women will not be executed until an appeals court has ruled on their cases. This assurance came from Iraqi authorities. It is not enough. We demand to know the charges on which these three Iraqi women stand convicted. We demand to know the date of their appeal hearings. We demand that a public statement is made. We demand that they be afforded all due protections under international human rights and humanitarian law.
When will the day come when all women, all men, all chidren of Iraq are afforded those protections? And what are we doing to make that day come sooner?



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Siun!
Bless you.
Siun, that’s a heartbreaker.
My bad side says snark, but my heart just breaks.
Damn this shit to hell! What is wrong with people!
Hi Angie and Hotflash …
good to see you both.
Siun:
This is “Freedom Is On The March™” as told by Cheney.
This is the art that decorates the walls of his, and Bush’s minds forever. They should see this everywhere they look.
Not much coverage to the 650,000 or so who’ve been killed either. Our government has much to answer for.
It just keeps going too …
I was just reading a CNN International piece … seems British troops in Basra were out rounding up “terrorists” and received a tip to head to the local Iraqi Intelligence Station … where they discovered signs of torture on 30 prisoners including a woman and two children …
Al Maliki has called for an urgent investigation … not of the torture, but of who tipped off the Brits!
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/…..index.html
Yep Steve … this is what democracy looks like, eh?
Siun @ 7
Of course! Blame the whistleblowers. Blame the reporters who cover the story.
These stories are not meant to be told.
Bastards.
Likewise Siun— my heart is broken and thank you for bringing this to the frontpage.
No woman, no cry, indeed.
Bob Marley.
How long before this happens in Bush’s America?
Susan Brownmiller wrote over thirty years ago in her ground-breaking book “Against Her Will” that rape has been used by enemies since the dawn of time.
What appalls me is that in this day and age it is STILL considered a crime against a woman’s “honor” and that SHE is still held accountable. If you are raped, it is YOUR fault. Lord love a duck.
How can we convince MEN that this is not something that will promote whatever cause they are putting forward. Oh, nevermind. American soldiers did the same thing to some Iraqi teenager and then killed her and her family. At least they are being charged with the offense. Not that anybody in Iraq will know, or care, about the outcome. She was just some, you know, mere woman.
I am so heartsick. I read about war in books, thank gods I have never seen it in person. But over and over, rape, pillage and burn — the story has been the same for thousands of years. We are sending our young men and women over to rape and kill. We must bring them home, stop them from killing and stop making them into monsters.
We cannot ever make amends to the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan for this, we cannot make amends to our own sons and daughters. Now the best we can do is to bring our people home soon, and to provide refuge and sanctuary for the Iraqis who will be left in a civil war that we precipitated.
It really has been astonishing to read Iraqi sources … Al Aswat is reliable, independent and offers a version in English …
The picture you receive is very different indeed … for example, two weeks ago, Condi was in Baghdad with Maliki and friends … claiming the surge was already a success (it was then 4 days old) but if you looked at the news reports, you could see that the fighters had just moved to neighboring areas.
And this weekend, there’s been talk of the surge leading to lower fatalities … not true if you see the Iraqi sources.
Al Aswat is found here:
http://www.aswataliraq.info/?newlang=eng
John A’ Neighbor Barbara …
The Iraqis I’m in touch with are watching those trials closely. The rape of Abeer is very much on their minds and the removal of the perpetrators to the US for show trials is another crime they rightly charge us with.
Siun @ 14
Thanks for that link, Siun. I have been following Al Jezeera (Eng) and Riverbend, when she posts. And worrying when she doesn’t. I will add this as well.
Well that’s because no one in BushCo gives a shit about the Iraqis.
They’re “extras” in this vast drama of our “honor” masking an insatiable desire for oil.
At any cost.
I am tonight, thinking of the women in Iraq and Gaza. And the children crying in the streets.
HotFlash .. it’s very handy … and you begin to be able to read between the lines. We also have a daily news selection at Today in Iraq … different folks each day do the news aggregation so there are different viewpoints each day but the sources are reputable and useful.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 18
With no end in sight….
So the real question in my mind … is what do we do? how to we increase our efforts to stop this?
It is all beyond horrible.
Where is our press? Imagine the horrors of hospitals in Iraq. Walter Reed multiplied by what? Unimaginable.
Spotlight this post.
I have called my reps to many times to count, I have lined the streets with my fellows in protest, I have written letter to the editor, I have registered new voters, I talk to my neighbors. I am outraged each day this travesty is allowed to continue. What to do?
bg .. the hospitals in Iraq are basically non functional … medicine is virtually unavailable,
hospitals have so many coming in they can’t see most, send people home untreated, treat people lying on the floors .. you name it.
Plus there have been attacks on doctors, nurses … and many, most have fled.
Thanks for bringing the voices of the Iraqi people to us Siun. I only wish we could repair their worlds and ease their pain and suffering. First my heart hurts for them, then the anger toward the criminals responsible takes hold.
Somehow, sometime, there will be justice done for the tradgedy of Iraq.
Thank you, Siun. How will we undo all that’s been done in our name? How can we stop what’s being done today? How can we prevent more evil being done tomorrow?
tbsa … I think we need to keep doing those things and to not let our reps get a pass as they discuss “how hard it is” but instead make it clear their jobs – dem or repub – are on the line.
Siun @ 21
Siun, a very difficult question, for many reasons. Many having to do with the political machinations in the US. The situation is just “political fodder” for many in congress.
But I am sure that somewhere today in Iraq a school was opened. Why can’t the media show us that school? It must be there somewhere. Laura said so, and you know she wants us to see the good news.
So give us the good news, damn it. You know, the SME (schools of mass education).
Do it for Pickles, or stay out of the intersection.
oops- Siun, typing my comment while you posted yours.
How to stop it? Cut off the money. Stop the U.S. money flow to support the Bush war in Iraq. Stop sending U.S. taxpayer money to the Israeli government.
EPU’D from last thread for
hotflash at 123
“I can’t see how it is possible, but over and over again I see people who can think, at least in other areas, OK, maybe only their jobs, buy these lines of BS. I think it is because they are taught to use their brains to manufacture things out of materials they are presented. The assumptions/raw materials are not their problem so it doesn’t occur to them to question them. If this is what is going on now in education it’s going to be an uphill fight.
But take heart. Young folks are constitutionally programmed to question their elders, so we got that working for us. ;) “
ahhhhhhhhh original thought, best expressed in the right moment, timing is everything, and when you you don’t have timing, impulse works. my sister teaches 9th grade english and is impulsive as heellll, teaching her students to think and express………best friend teaches high school art and teaches her students how to put thought into expression, all is not lost, they are learning. the students they handle are ‘getting’ it. i tell them i could not do what they do and they do it so well……….take heart.
and from here on in the new thread, people from here, peggy gish, who won an international peace award from japan and wrote a book about iraq, her husband wrote a book about palestine experiences, both are cpt people–christion peace team members, all of you, google them, christian team peace members, they were in iraq when noone else cared from the beginning ….they are observers, neutral…….trying to be advocates for innocent iraqis with the american military…from when the war started……i’ ve known them and heard them speak, it’s disgusting the things they know firsthand, and that we don’t……one of them-the cpt team-was beheaded in iraq not too long ago……they are neutral observers……..does anyone know about the work of cpt team members? they put themselves right in the middle, they are advocates of people in trouble………not political, humanitarian……..and noone hears of them…….google them.
One Iraqi voice that I did not include but that I listen closely to is Mohammed Ibn Laith – he can be read here:
What will we talk about
and if you have not read that post, please make sure you do
Siun@27 -I didn’t vote for Feinstein in November. I seriously will not hold my nose and vote for one more individual who is willing to continue with this illegal, immoral, quagmire we find ourselves in. It’s way beyond outrage.
Siun- well, maybe someone needs to set up some “demos” in the US- as in, the kind of thing that performance artists did/ used to do. “This is your day in Iraq.”
VG – that would be interesting .. but I don’t think many of us could survive one day of Iraqi conditions.
Good lord, how do they get through?
The Democrats, and I voted a str8 Demo ticket last Nov., have done nothing to stop the genocide. I’m almost upset.
Siun @ 36
That is exactly the point.
OK Kiddo – I’d hate to see you really *upset*!
Try spending a week or two in the Gaza.
Siun @ 39
;0)
What is going on is such a disgrace and sickening. War is a three letter word and Americans are not being informed about what is going down. The press is not working and the good reporters are not being listened to.
This is very depressing. We have have thrown gasoline on the smoldering fires that ever burn in the middle east. WHat a gross mistake. Thanks dubya. Youa re such an a hole.
I’m feeling rather radical tonight. Feels good, actually.
I also think we need to start making our reps understand the reality … they go by US news and when they visit Iraq, they hug the Green Zone … I’d like to see us sending them Iraqi reports daily … here’s what really happened today, here’s what we are doing, supporting…
How would the women in Congress react to Maliki’s honoring of rapists?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 43
yep.
may be too late in the thread but–
ok kiddo i absolutely love you
Siun,
I am Woman. I cry. For all mankind. For the losses that every mother around the world must endure – be it in Africa, Asia, Iraq, America, wherever . . .
Thank you for this thought-provoking post, and thanks to all commenters. I really have no more to offer in terms of words – just more tears, which I always try to hold in – just so I can remember to laugh, smile and enjoy each day – and make it through each day and most of each night with gratitude.
I know many of you fellow firepups are in the same place. Bless you all!
Now, on to tomorrow’s Fitz! (-: Guess I have to get some popcorn prepared! See you all in the mornin’!
Kathie
Siun @ 44
They have to know about that or they’re just hiding from all news and the truth. Haven’t heard one woman in the US government speak out about it.
dmac @ 46
me too!
There is no way what is left of the former Iraqi nation can do this alone. They need help. But we can’t do it, we lost whatever window of opportunity we had inside the first 3-6 months of occupation and from then on we were only a large part of the problem.
I suspect that the U.N. must be involved, using Peacekeepers; I suspect that a solution will look something like the Balkans, South Africa post-Apartheid and Rwanda, but that there will be incredible pain getting there, just as there was in each of these examples, and probably worse.
The U.S., however, owes a debt here; I don’t know how that gets paid, let alone how much it is. My children are already each of them in debt because of the war to the tune of $40K each; how much more will they need to bear for the errors of their grandparents?
Where is the Punster, Mrs. K8, Sharkbabe, Angie, Norske and some others tonight?
tbsa … maybe we can remind them, start calling them out on this … I could see a specific campaign on behalf of Iraqi women demanding real answers from our Congresswomen.
Most disheartening in regard to the inaction of our D. Reps is that the weapons of war and their manufacture mean jobs and jobs = votes. Hmmm, Why We Fight indeed.
Siun (52) — maybe something more like Las Madres de Plaza de Mayo…
Siun @ 52
I’m game.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 43
And this is different from every other night how?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 51
The cool kids went to a party, we weren’t invited. Story of my life (at least in HS).
Rayne … good idea!
There are so many Los_Desaparecidos in Iraq too.
Los_Desaparecidos
I would really like to find ways to make them visible.
Another area that is astonishing is that of the refugees … when we invaded Iraq, we had plans for refugees in place but gave that up soon after. There are now almost 2 million refugees … Syria, Jordan and more. And how many in camps in Iraq itself with no water, no infrastructure.
petedownunder @ 56
;0)
I gaze at the pix at the top and it’s like putting a hole in my heart. The pain is over the top. Way over the top. My God.
Only Walt Disney could have invented America. America, where Snow White lives happily ever after, where Sneezy just has a wee cold, where a glass slipper awaits every Princess, and where every Prince is Valiant, perhaps even Arthur!
And so it goes in the land of amber waves of grain, purple mountains’ majesty, yes America the Beautiful still lives on.
And if somehow Siun’s post strikes a jarring note toward your beliefs in this country, then do what all the other Americans do; change the channel!
After all, we are Americans! That group of people who’s only real claim to fame is that they can’t distinguish fantasy from reality, and have no interest in doing so.
Siun,
I sent your post here -
Feminist Majority Foundation
One of their Directors -
Mavis Leno
when we (USA) first took over, peg gish was in iraq, three times over all, was tryng to find out where iraqis were being held and what for?????????old men that died from hoods on their heads in 100 degree heat, no shit, and i don’t cuss….AN ADVOCATE NEUTRAL OBSERVER…was on the forefront of abu graib………the stories she told made me shake….that was years ago……..firsthand, no bullshit….wake up people…the christian peace team members are out there in the front lines, in iraq, in palestine, and i told her the only reason they aren’t being heard is because of the word christian, so non-heard because of gw, but they are neutral observers, really, people please take heed of them they are out there from the beginning of conflicts and have a lot to say…….she got a peace award from JAPAN for crissakes-and i don’t cuss……….
pay attention………they were tellin’ this stuff for years before you all were talkin’ about it, listen………….i just found you all at fdl a month ago, but peggy and art gish gave been travellin’ and givin; their lives since the war began, that has been my personal news, and where my little bit of money has been goin’ and that is first hand knowledge
atrocities from the beginning,……..in iraq and in palestine…………
so sometimes when i hear you all talk, it is already old news, cuz peggy and art gish, organic farmers here in athens ohio, have already been there and reported back what was happening……………
Mad Dogs … all too true.
Looking at what our country does in our name … is not a comfortable pastime … but is our only hope.
My take is that the Iraqis will make us notice … wonder what we’ll think then.
Rayne does the lifting.
I’m not sure why, but tonight I am thinking of Rachel Corrie.
Thanks CBL …
and dmac … The CPT is important and does valuable work. You may like our friend MfI’s site, GorillasGuides as he does similar work. The link is under my name.
Exactly how is Iraq in better shape since W’s war?
Terry … it’s clearly not. The entire infrastructure of the country has been destroyed – control of the oil has been shifted to major western firms through the new oil law – and we have devastated the normal relations of Iraqi society.
I will hold my political party’s feet to the fire on the issue of peace, and everything else. I mean it!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 67
Funny,
so am I
Owch. Siun, thanks for the reminder of this, and how close we could be to that here, if the tide turned on a nasty end. ugh. And how we have to do something to stop that. For one, stopping the occupation. Then we take the hard steps after that, with knowledge that they’ll never forgive us for it.
Rayne? I found the article i talked about downstiars. Here it is. The fact that it was front page on the GR Press, and questioning teh whole situation says a lot. Which is suprising for me, in many ways after 5 years here.
Siun @ 70
When you put it that way, it makes it clear to me this was not just about the oil, it was about replacing the far more easily gamed/corrupted/ineffective Food-for-Oil program with something far more effective.
Not about getting food to people, though. Effective, as in getting more profits to parties involved faster.
mack @ 72
;0)
We really ought to be happy. Because we have so much talent in the Democratic party. ;0)
Thanks for this post. The Iraq war is in many ways a hidden war. The lives, deaths, and fears of ordinary Iraqis, the day to day dangers of American soldiers, the caskets that aren’t to be photographed arriving back in this country, the wounded who are patched up and then forgotten, the war of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Lieberman, and McCain, of Republicans and DINOs can not stand the light of day and open scrutiny. Even so after all the attempts to insulate them, a huge majority of Americans reject it. Somehow I think the ones who really need to read these stories and see the scenes of carnage are precisely those politicians who planned, supported, and facilitated the war. I would sit them down and have them see and listen to the war they made for several hours each day every day until they were as sick of it as the rest of us.
Oklahoma kiddo @
37
Would you be willing to reveal how you voted in “06?
aliasofwestgate @ 73
Thank you, thank you, that perspective helps a LOT. The MLive.com article by itself doesn’t add that additional emphasis that a hardcopy placement on front page adds. Was it above or below the fold?
When Baghdad ‘fell’ the Baghdad School of Music and Ballet was looted and their harpsichord was dropped down a stairwell. More from Dick Gordon of NPR’s report:
* April 17, 2003 Broadcast of interview (archived), may be heard with RealPlayer or similar.
* April 17, 2003 Field notes and photos
* April 18, 2003 Field notes and photos
My husband and I build harpsichords so we offered to built them a new one, and other people in North America contributed $ to help us. The American Friends Committee offered to arrange safe transport to Baghdad. But here we are, coming up to four years later, and there is nowhere to send the instrument. Our contacts tell us that the director and most of the musicians have fled to Jordan.
I don’t know what to do, Siun. Some of us have written, some of us have marched, some of us have built a harpsichord or sent money, supplies, books. Many of us have voted for Democrats thinking they would end the war but…..
My mother used to say, where there’s a will, there’s a way. We voted for Dems to end the war, but I do not see *any* serious attempt to do so (and don’t give me that non-binding resolution bs). My conclusion is that they don’t have the will. There is absolutely *NO* point in leaning on R’s, they are too invested in the war and Bushco, but there might be some use in leaning on the Dems.
How to do it? Several people have pointed to the huge marches on Washington and such that were so effective in the ’70’s and asked why we aren’t in the streets like that now. My son in says that he and his friends have marched, legally and with parade permits, only to have their routes changed at the last minute and they find themselves shunted into in cul-de-sacs away from the event they were protesting and way, WAY far away from any media coverage. They have learned how to neutralize the weapon that was so powerful against the Viet Nam War.
I believe that we are at the point where we need to find a new social weapon. Marches do not have the effect they once had, and politicians no longer resign because of scandals. Our rulers cannot be pressured, cannot be shamed and apparently are more afraid of BushCo than of their constituents.
Marches on DC consume more time and $ than most of us have, and there are so many march-worth causes that if we responded to all of them we’d be in DC all the time. Sorry, we have lives and they know it. So, how about we target our local senators or reps offices, a la the Brooks Brothers Riot? We could do sit-ins or whatever more easily and cheaply there, less gas to get there, don’t have to take days off work or pay for a motel, and I warrant that the local staff has not had a lot of middle-aged persons arrive at their door asking Rep Thingummy’s position on the plight of families in Iraq.
To coordinate it we might want to arrive en masse at our various reps’ doors on a specific date — say, the 20th of each month, since March 20 2006 was the start of ‘Operation Iraqi Freedom’. I can’t even type those words withoug feeling sick to my stomach.
Outrage overload!
Going to read to my children and hug them tightly.
nodding to Rayne … the new law is pretty decimating. I think the Agonist had some good analysis of the situation and pointed to an important article in the Asia Times titled:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/M…..8Ak01.html
Rayne @ 79
If i remember correctly the headline was just above the fold. Continued just below it.
Siun, I only rarely see a picture that kicks me in the gut the way that one from Al-Watan does. It’s a perfect accompaniment for the tragedies you show us. Such a sad expression, but somehow not a defeated one.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 71
Yes, OKiddo, we need to that that, but how do we do it?
Hotflash and Hugh … I think we must do these things. Keep it in front of them, insist they see what their actions and now their inaction is doing.
March 20 … I’d be happy to visit Obama and Durbin with a message from Iraq.
Hugh @ 77
When do we see your first official FDL post? Can’t wait!
EvilDrPuma ….
not defeated is a very important point … I think instead we are the “losers” and that’s why we try not to look.
Terry …
I offered Hugh the official invitation but he’s playing hard to get!
One picture can sometimes be worth 10 to the 3 words.
OT and EPU’d from two threads ago but seems more appropriate here anyhow…
Sen. Tom Eagleton died today. He may be most known for being forced off the McGovern pres/vice pres. ticket when the media found out he had had electric shock therapy for depression, but he was also the chief author of the War Powers Act and was an early opponent of the Vietnam war.
He was influential in St. Louis and Missouri politics and continued to speak out against the Iraq conflict. He will be missed.
Hugh @ 77
Hugh- now that is a great beginning for a front page post at FDL. xxoo
Gosh- I didn’t see the comments from Siun and Terry when I typed my comment to Hugh.
Hey Hugh, what’s keepin’ you?
siun
it just totally grosses me out that i didn’t listen to them three years ago…….three years they were telling me what was happening, and i didn’t hear it…..illegal arrests, etc……
what visionaries, but they weren’t visionaries, they were there firsthand, it must disgust them that people haven’t listened to what has happened to the iraqi’s and the palestinian people……..they are there firsthand, and see what goes on……and still it goes on…..and we all talk and talk……..hopefully write letters……..that is what peg and art gish want is lots of letters sent.
Hugh, actually, that is pretty near a front pager in itself. Just add the links…. ;)
One in every forty.
That’s how many Iraqis have died since we invaded in 2003.
Imagine if some alien force had come in March of 2003, invaded America, neutralized our armed forces, and deposed Bush after killing a million Americans in a month of “shock and awe” — then sat back and watched (with the occasional bombs lobbed willy-nilly) as six million more died over the next four years as the right-wing militias joined up with the unemployed troops from the disbanded armed forces to engage in guerilla warfare against the alien occupiers.
You might get a taste of what Iraq — which was the most modernized Middle Eastern nation next to Turkey — is going through.
Hugh, and don’t try to tell me that you’re eating dinner right now…
HotFlash @ 80
I totally know your frustration. The only hope I have is for clean elections. It seems logical that anyone running against the status quo could win if there is enough volunteers. I’m starting to think that it’s not about money anymore. Pollyanna?
Phoenix Woman … good point.
And don’t forget the deaths under Clinton … 500,000 Iraqi children.
And yet Shrub and Darth continue to sleep peacefully every night.
Hotflash … what a lovely thing, to build a harpsichord for the music school.
Let’s pray some day the school reopens and someone can play it.
Siun @ 101
Makes me cry.
When will the day come when all women, all men, all chidren of Iraq are afforded those protections? And what are we doing to make that day come sooner?
We can’t even make it happen here or for Americans held by American agencies or forces.
A United States Attorney hands over a US citizen on US soil and in his custody to the American military to disappear and abuse (Padilla)
An American whistleblower working with the FBI is held as an enemy combatant by US forces in Iraq (Vance)
We have the Deputy Attorney General, Thompson, directly involved in signing off on the torture transfer of a Canadian at a US airport, Maher Arar, and that went over so well that Pepsico decided they just “had to have him” as general counsel.
Both el-Masri and Arar’s cases have been dismissed by courts. Despite the fact that the Padilla arrest warrant was based on statements elicited through Zubaydah’s torture, the US courts have embraced it and opened the door to introduction of more torture based testimony (Fitzgerald’s Saleh case highlighted that issue).
When a US soldier undercover at GITMO was beaten into disability, the investigation determined that the tapes were “lost” and now the same has happened to medical records and interrogation information in Padillas case.
In another case, there are reams of wiretap info which have all been “classified” but which form the basis for the arrest and charges. The defendant and court have been provided with DOJ’s “summaries” and guess what? Upon defendant’s counsel being allowed access to one of the underlying conversations, it has filed motions with the court asserting that the summary is just flat wrong and includes all kinds of incriminating statements nowhere found on the actual transcript.
And btw – Congress just passed the MCA taking away habeas and specifically stating that anyone Bush has declared to be an enemy combatant IS ONE, conclusively, for purposes of the act, without regard to any contrary evidence or lack of evidence.
Sometimes you have to fix your own house first.
Siun @ 65
Though my paean to America was written in a mocking, snarky tone, underlying it is my essential truth, and grief, that the very essence of America is fantasy!
We are indeed the country with the greatest inability for introspection; that and an almost child-like “belief” that being America, we can never, ever be wrong!
The “War On Iraq” (as opposed to War in Iraq) is just the latest episode in the long and bloody history of our Country’s unshakable belief in our own “Manifest Destiny”.
Having come of Age during the “War On Vietnam”, what strikes me is not how quickly we forget, but how fantastically we choose not to remember!
The “official” death toll of Vietnamese is something that even the most professional bean-counter could never realistically identify, but suffice to say that Millions Died!.
And who mourned for them? Surely their families and friends, but not us!
Each person had a life! A real life that meant as much to them as your own life means to you!
You know, a toddler learning to walk, a teenager’s first kiss, becoming a grandparent for the first time.
I realize that it is the nature of Human Beings as a species to hope for the best, to strive for progress rather than dwell on all that bad stuff that happens
we did.But sometimes it is beyond belief that Americans in particular, cannot or will not face reality square on.
Other countries, other peoples share this same failure, but not near to the degree that we do.
American’s greatest nightmare? That someday they’ll have to actually wake up!
I was thinking about writing something about this but Amy Myers Jaffe of the James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy came out with a report on national oil companies.
http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=42009
Basically, they control 75% of production regulating companies like Shell, Exxon, and BP to second tier players. The report criticizes some of these NOCs for indulging in what are called “noncore, noncommercial” activities like trying use some of their oil resources to directly benefit the general population through subsidized prices. How very uncapitalist of them! The report suggests that major oil companies work with the NOCs so they can improve their market position and, of course, show them the error of their ways in helping their own citizens and show them their true allegiance lies with international capital markets and the oil majors. Something similar may be at the heart of the new Petroleum Law in Iraq.
HotFlash @ 80
In the late 60’s and early 70’s, we still had the Fairness Doctrine and a media that respected their role as the Fourth Estate. They covered protests because that was news.
The media is now fully co-opted by corporatists, who’ve also co-opted government. They don’t report news; they provide infotainment, and protests are not infotainment.
As you said so aptly, we need a new social weapon. Blogs are the ramp up, but we do need to develop something else that pierces the fog that the corporate media creates.
Siun (82) — thanks for that link. What is so disgusting is not just the loss of lives and horrific destruction, but the lost opportunity cost. Had we spent this effort on building a renewable energy infrastructure, we could have changed the face of the entire world with it. Countries holding oil, natural gas, uranium could no longer use them as leverage to beat on each other.
alias (83) — thanks much, think I will have to track down a hardcopy for my files now.
Have to go to the Aunty’s for the night. And then it’s back to school in the morning trying to teach algebra and trig to 9th thru 12th. Good night, you all. ;0)
Siun @ 88
I don’t think we (posting here) are the losers…but what about those who can’t see or imagine a human being in a headscarf? It makes my soul bleed to think of what they miss out on.
Mary4- aha! Keep in mind that FDL doesn’t necessarily have to be either/or. The problems that you cite, and those that Siun highlights are part of the same “game”. Did you see I told you on the previous thread that you should think about doing another FDL front page? (FDL gods willing). You do have the gift. Glad to see you have caught up.
Oh, actually I sent something to Christy a few minutes ago. It’s on energy and terribly dry I’m afraid.
The comments here tonight are so thoughtful and real. I’m thinking of printing the whole post and comments and sending to Dorgan and Conrad ND. I think they may read them. They need to know this discussion is taking place, with or without them.
Hugh- is your problem in writing a front pager that of deciding WHAT to write? JUst dive in, man.
Hugh @ 110
We can help you add some snark. Or, we can encourage you to let your inner snark come out. I mean, I’ve seen it before…
Look, we are in a fight for our very humanity. We have to stand up and not be afraid to say that “This is wrong. It is inhuman, This is not who we are!”.
Understand that we are going to be attacked. But truth can win out. We must press our elected representatives to move agressively. We must be vocal to all in our opposition.
A question to always ask is “How many women and children must die so that Exxon can have one more barrel of cheap oil? Is driving your SUV two miles to McDonalds worth the life of a child?”
Siun – I don’t know how you do it, but, my goddess, you do it so well. Your voice, your tireless scrutiny of the surreal and your ability to make some sense out of it.. just leaves me in tears with the bitter cold truth. I don’t even know how to thank you, At least you know I am a huge fan.
So many of us are at a loss here. We may or may not watch the details in Iraq as much as we should but we know its horrific beyond words, we know it has to end and for the most part have followed most of the orderly form of protest in our Democracy for so long that now “we” are seventy @%^!$* percent and nothing, nothing! Is happening!
I swear if I contact my congress critters with any more frequency they will just block my calls and letters. If they aren’t already, its hard to tell and yes I am always polite, etc..
It is time for new tactics. If I were in a big city (I live about seven miles from a town of 2k) I could think of a dozen things right away. Get a slide projector, wire it for portability, nab some photos off of the net and drive around to select locations, project the truth. Use a boom box for audio if you like. We have to turn on our citizen megaphones and shout these neo-nuts down now, once and for all. Freeway Blog! make phamphlets, flyers, graphic flyers with text from Siuns post etc. and distribute as many as you can afford to print up (even if its just one) …to churches, coffee shops, Girl Scout Cookie Stands, mechanic shops, neighbors doorsteps, strangers, everyone! Blogs are our information and this information must get out for others to face it, know matter how painfull it is. For those of us who are in contact with other people this information empowers us and we are duty bound stop our countries involvement by getting the story out. They will not like it! Do you like reading this post? We have to take back this country peacefully because that is how we want to live, its truly who we are. Isn’t it?
/rant temporarily off
Oklahoma kiddo @ 67
I know why I was thinking of her. I thought I wish I could go there and help. Pop goes the name Rachel Corrie.
One who DID what some of us are too afraid to do, and/or can’t possibly do. I would hope if I was young and didn’t have children here to take care of, that I’d have the courage and the compassion NEAR to the level she had. This world needs a ton of Rachel Corrie’s in it. There are many people trying to do what they can, and I don’t want to take away anything from them by saying this, but I do think she was quite a rare person.
Of course, Iraq’s Petroleum Law has not yet been enacted and even if it is it will remain largely theoretical since none of the major oil companies are going to invest big bucks there in the current chaos.
A secure enough environment will only come after our departure, the end of the Bush Presidency, and the resolution of the civil war. In other words, we’re talking years.
Eureka Springs … thank you.
One thing we can all do is listen to Iraqi voices and continue to bring them into the discussions here. When our media claims to explain what is happening, when our representatives of either party claims to have a strategy … we need to ask what are Iraqis saying? will this return their autonomy? their control over their own lands, resources, lives?
And when our friends – our liberal friends – talk about partition and how we “need to fix” Iraq, point them to genuine Iraqi voices, have them read Al Aswat and Inside Iraq and Mohammed and the team at Guides. We have proven that we cannot be trusted and Iraqis do not need us doing anything but leaving.
And if anyone wants to help collect Iraqi news, let me know – it’s an ongoing project and there’s always more to be done.
Phoenix Woman @ 96
I work at a 911 center for the largest public safety agency in my state. Every day we deal with hundreds of emergencies. And I sure don’t know how we’d handle something along the lines of this scenario.
Powerful post, Siun. Thank you for bringing us these voices – voices our government would rather us not hear.
Hugh … you may have missed this as it got no attention here:
From the Asia Times on the recent approval of the new law:
US’s Iraq oil grab is a done deal
By Pepe Escobar
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/M…..8Ak01.html
“By 2010 we will need [a further] 50 million barrels a day. The Middle East, with two-thirds of the oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize lies.” – US Vice President Dick Cheney, then Halliburton chief executive officer, London, autumn 1999
US President George W Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney might as well declare the Iraq war over and out. As far as they – and the humongous energy interests they defend – are concerned, only now is the mission really accomplished. More than half a trillion dollars spent and perhaps half a million Iraqis killed have come down to this.
On Monday, Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki’s cabinet in Baghdad approved the draft of the new Iraqi oil law. The government regards it as “a major national project”. The key point of the law is that Iraq’s immense oil wealth (115 billion barrels of proven reserves, third in the world after Saudi Arabia and Iran) will be under the iron rule of a fuzzy “Federal Oil and Gas Council” boasting “a panel of oil experts from inside and outside Iraq”. That is, nothing less than predominantly US Big Oil executives.
The law represents no less than institutionalized raping and pillaging of Iraq’s oil wealth. It represents the death knell of nationalized (from 1972 to 1975) Iraqi resources, now replaced by production sharing agreements (PSAs) – which translate into savage privatization and monster profit rates of up to 75% for (basically US) Big Oil. Sixty-five of Iraq’s roughly 80 oilfields already known will be offered for Big Oil to exploit. As if this were not enough, the law reduces in practice the role of Baghdad to a minimum. Oil wealth, in theory, will be distributed directly to Kurds in the north, Shi’ites in the south and Sunnis in the center. For all practical purposes, Iraq will be partitioned into three statelets. Most of the country’s reserves are in the Shi’ite-dominated south, while the Kurdish north holds the best prospects for future drilling.
The approval of the draft law by the fractious 275-member Iraqi Parliament, in March, will be a mere formality. Hussain al-Shahristani, Iraq’s oil minister, is beaming. So is dodgy Barnham Salih: a Kurd, committed cheerleader of the US invasion and occupation, then deputy prime minister, big PSA fan, and head of a committee that was debating the law.
click the link for more
Thanks Suzanne … comrade in mod!
Oklahoma kiddo @
107
Dear OKiddo,
That would be your progressive auntie? Of whom you have s[oken before? Tell her hello from Canada and pls give her a hug for me. And I may be [reaching to the choir, but I sure wish I’d had calculus in grade 12, it would have made college math a *WHOLE LOT MORE POSSIBLE*
x0×0x from Canada
Hugh @
110
Hugh,
xoxoxoxH2O
hugh-left you a compliment days ago, when you were talking about posting, and you were blushing, left a comment that your arrow always leads me to a good place…….oftentimes one that i was already exploring and you helped define.
and the rest of you, glad that you are finally waking up to what is a reality for iraqi’s……..something that has been an awakening thing for me for the past three years, thanks to peggy gish, christian peace team member, cpt, google them……..
good night, and sweet dreams for me, thanks to your vigilance.
thanks, siun……….
((((fdl))))
BTW, I subscribe to the email feed of Dahr Jamail’s work … very worthwhile information direct from Iraq.
http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/
Phoenix Woman @ 96
Thanks, Siun. I hope you’re able to write about this more often – here and elsewhere.
The USAF stated Iraqi deaths from Gulf War 1 were 250,000
The UN has estimated over 500,000 Iraqis died prematurely (mostly women and kids) between 1992 and 2000 (Clinton’s reign)
Many sources put true Iraqi deaths for the present war at close to 700,000 now
Over 1.5 million Iraqis are seriously wounded or missing
2.5 million Iraqis are currently displaced, either in country or outside the Iraqi borders (I believe we’ve let less than 300 into the USA as refugees)
So, Iraqi casualties from 15 years of war with the USA:
250,000 dead – Gulf War I
500,000 dead – 1992-2000
650,000 dead – 2003-present
1,500,000 – wounded or missing
2,500,000 – displaced or refugees
In that case, the dead are 1.4 million from 25 million, or >1 in 20
The total casualty figure of 5.5 million is >1 in 4.6
I also wanted to say I really liked the photo at the top of this post. It is a human face and that is what Siun’s post does is put a human face on the tragedy of Iraq. Bush and Cheney look on Iraq like it was a game of Risk, counters to move around on a board. But when we begin to hear the voices of real people caught up in the madness of Iraq, that casual and callous separation can’t be maintained. Compare the statements of Bush or Lieberman to the mother worrying about her daughter. Can anything be more jarring? Can anything be more shallow or more criminally unfeeling?
Eureka Springs, AR @ 115
ES, I like this idea very much. A travelling TruthShow. I can totally do that. It could be car-contained — walls of the world, here I come!
thanks and blessings to you Siun for this post and your volunteer work. I am overwhelmed by so much, so I’m saving this to come back to it. I hope it stays up for awhile.
I’m so grateful for this perspective on the horrid world we are part of creating and trying to create an alternative world.
Lord have mercy.
Valley Girl @ 92
Hugh @ 128
And, this is another part of that front page post I was talking about in my earlier comment.
Edward … thank you and thank you for the figures.
As I do my day on Today in Iraq, I’ll be looking for stories and trends that we can talk about here. There is so much that does not get noticed and happily, FDL is a place where we can have these discussions. I’d also suggest folks bookmark Today in Iraq – http://www.dailywarnewsblog.com – and keep an eye on it. I read it daily to stay mindful of the reality and am now very honored to get to play a part there in addition to the joy of being on the FDL team.
Hugh, I think the pressure is on! ;-)
Mad Dogs @
62
Except that Disney did pics of “Old Europe’s” fairy tales.
Hugh @ 110
You do dry energy reporting, so well..) I enjoyed your posts the last time..
Your scrutiny (in comments) of the NYT recently has been very important and more than worthy of a post, imvho. In many ways I see you as a coherent eRiposte. You know these firepups like some meat on the bone. *s* (no offense to vegitarians intended)
Oklahoma kiddo @
51
Just reading the accounts above and feeling lousy….
Terry Olson @ 134
Well, sort of. (Does Disney ever more than “sort of” use its source material?)
Hugh, what did you have for dinner?
(just prodding Hugh)
Siun #121,
It’s a long way from here to there and the government in power now may not be then. Promises made now don’t mean much.
Participation of some Western companies might not be a bad thing, especially with new technology, but with regard to control there are plenty of sharp-eyed and hard headed oil analysts in the Middle East who could help the Iraqis set up a national company which really did have the best interests of Iraqis as its goal.
Siun @ 118
Collect Iraqi news? You mean watch Iraqi blogs and sort the news from them?
Thanks all … for kind words and for reading and beginning the discussion of actions. Let’s keep looking for ways we can make sure these voices are heard.
And now, Trex is upstairs … bashing the Coultergeists!
TRex is upstairs
Eureka .. yes. And check english language iraqi sources. If you’re interested, let me know.
My email is on the FDL about page.
Valley Girl @ 138
It wasn’t vegetarian. In fact, it once went moo.
montag,
So sorry you are not feeling well. You are one of the (many)FDL people that I look up to and I marvel at your knowledge and (com)passion. So, can I e-mail you a nice restorative hot toddy? Or a demure NeoCitran?
A bit further on in the post that Siun cites above, Riverbend, a 27-year-old Iraqi woman in Baghdad, sums up her view of the American occupation:
‘Americans in America are still debating on the state of the war and occupation – are they winning or losing? Is it better or worse.
Let me clear it up for any moron with lingering doubts: It’s worse. It’s over. You lost. You lost the day your tanks rolled into Baghdad to the cheers of your imported, American-trained monkeys. You lost every single family whose home your soldiers violated. You lost every sane, red-blooded Iraqi when the Abu Ghraib pictures came out and verified your atrocities behind prison walls as well as the ones we see in our streets. You lost when you brought murderers, looters, gangsters and militia heads to power and hailed them as Iraq’s first democratic government. You lost when a gruesome execution was dubbed your biggest accomplishment. You lost the respect and reputation you once had. You lost more than 3000 troops. That is what you lost America. I hope the oil, at least, made it worthwhile.’
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com
ok, will do.
Watson @ 146
Amen. I am printing this out and freeway blogging it.
Watson ….
Thank you for pointing to that post of Riverbend’s … she is a very powerful voice.
And yes, we have lost … and will lose more.
Hugh @ 144
Thank you, Hugh. You have probably figured out that FDLers are very interested in your progress, writing or gastronomical. Thank you for answering one of those burning questions.
HotFlash @ 80
Maybe marches en masse at the offices of the corporate media at the same time would be effective. They need to be questioned as well.
HotFlash @
148
Damn, I wish that hadn’t been in there.
If Saddam Hussein had been drawn and quartered, it would hardly have compensated for his own monstrous crimes.
I thank everyone for telling the truth in a most wonderful website about a terrible, terrible misadventure of our own but failing to appreciate the monstrosity of the Butcher of Baghdad is not overly helpful to fruitful discussion IMO.
Best, Terry
Riverbend does not indicate approval of Saddam, either in the quoted material or in her blog which has been going for four years.
Most of the world’s countries that are considered ‘democratic’ or ‘developed’ have abolished capital punishment, because they view it as barbaric, like Abu Ghraib.
Watson @
153
So?
Riverbend must be a most courageous and wonderful lady but this is a bum charge in the list of indictments. The execution of Saddam Hussein was hardly the “greatest accomplishment” claimed by the U.S., which reportedly tried to delay it. Knocking off the monster surely made some folks very happy who had suffered genocidal attacks from Saddam despite the horrible and quite predictable consequences.
Much better in my view to concentrate on the horrendous atrocities against ordinary citizens – and even foreigners – than lack of civility to the Butcher of Baghdad IMO.
Best, Terry