
Considering FDL's role in the process of remaking and reforming journalism -- a role highlighted by the signally excellent work done by Jane and Marcy and Company in liveblogging the Libby trial -- I thought it might be appropriate to do a long, rambling post on how American journalism came to be in such dire need of reform.
So settle down, kick off your shoes, crack open a cold one and read on for a highly non-neutral, un-balanced, but scrupulously fact-based (at least, I think so) account of how the American press came to be playing Charles Boyer to our Ingrid Bergman in a decades-long remake of Gaslight.
When I was in college, one of my English classes discussed literary theory. The teacher started us out with Leavis and Lacan, finishing up with the late Canadian author Northrop Frye, who -- quite literally -- wrote the book on the subject. So we dutifully read and absorbed what Leavis and Lacan and Frye had to say about neutrality and balance and the rest, and when it was done we felt ourselves ready to go out and inflict literary and journalistic criticism on the world. And then the instructor introduced us to Terry Eagleton's book Literary Theory.
Remember the first time you read Joseph Conrad? Remember that amazing sensation of seeing all sorts of comforting veils ripped from your mind, the strange sort of harsh three-o'clock-in-the-morning floodlit-crime-scene-video clarity that makes your inner eyes squint from the unaccustomed harshness?
That's what Terry Eagleton was like for me. I didn't agree with everything he said, but that didn't matter -- he got me and everyone else in that classroom to think, seriously think, about the underlying assumptions of the cultural matrix in which we lived, had grown up and were nurtured.
The first thing Eagleton did was to step right up and say that he was a Marxist, and an unabashed one -- something that caused a frisson of tittering amongst the students, in this era when Marxism was a dirty word and liberalism would soon join it on the dirty-word heap.
The second thing he did was to say that there was no such thing as "neutrality" in the Northrop Frye (and Western journalistic) sense of the word. Everyone has a viewpoint and a bias, we cannot exist otherwise, and the honest thing to do is to state the biases clearly so people can use them to gauge what you say. In Eagleton's view, "neutrality" as stated by Frye and by the Western media establishment was a cop-out used to avoid confronting various uncomfortable truths about Western society.
Which brings us to American journalism, circa 2007.
As the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but they are not entitled to their own facts. However, in the name of "neutrality" -- or "balance", as it's more commonly called, especially by FOX News -- the facts have been shoved aside by opinions much if not most of the time in what passes for top-flight journalism.
Much of this is because of a genuine desire on the part of journos to be even-handed and fair, and to show all sides of an issue even when one side is clearly in the wrong. This is often a sign of genuine lefties -- the willingness to bend over backwards so far that occasionally their spines snap. But all too often, I fear that this desire for fairness is window dressing -- conscious or internalized -- on the imperative to please their bosses, the conservative owners of the conservative corporations who own most of our major media outlets, and which benefited mightily from Republican givebacks.
What sorts of bennies did they get? Well, there were such things as the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine under Reagan, the massive corporate tax cuts under Bush, and the gutting of much of the FCC's regulatory authority, particularly its anti-trust regulatory authority.
This, to me, is the main thing that explains the increasingly repeated failure of our big-ticket press corps to see what is right in front of their noses. It is very sad to see this -- especially since the American press, after the yellow-journalistic nadir of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, had been intent on improving itself and shaking off the pernicious influence of William Randolph Hearst. (A discussion of the influence of Hearst on the US press would take up at least two posts in itself.)
How did the press get neutered? What made them regress back to Hearst-esque yellow journalism? How were they conditioned to reject calling 'em as they saw 'em in favor of "fairness" and "neutrality" and "balance" -- a "balance" that keeps getting shoved to the right?
The answer lies in the work of none other than the late William Simon, who some of you may remember as the disgraced ex-President Nixon's "energy czar" in the early 1970s. (His son has connections to Enron, by the way. But I digress.)
As a conservative Republican, Simon was deeply, deeply enraged over the fact that Nixon was laid low. He wanted revenge. More than that, he wanted to engineer a conservative takeover, not just of American media, but of American colleges, legal foundations and research institutions -- the very places most commonly associated with determining what is truth and what is not.
The first stage: Convincing his fellow conservatives to stop giving money to mainstream institutions, and to instead set up or give their money to conservative institutions. Institutions such as colleges (such as Jerry Falwell's Liberty University and Tom Monaghan's Ave Maria College), professional societies (such as the Federalist Society, the conservatives' answer to the American Bar Association), and of course Big Media outlets (such as Sun Myung Moon's Washington Times, Rupert Murdoch's FOX News, Jack Welch's NBC News -- remember, former Republican National Committee Chair Roger Ailes ran NBC's news division before Murdoch hired him to start FOX News in the US -- and most of the AM radio dial after the Fairness Doctrine was killed in 1987).
The second stage: Getting the majority of Americans to accept these conservative outlets as the real arbiters of truth and to discredit the non-conservative versions as "liberal" -- and to do this by muddying the waters where truth is concerned. Their chief weapon: The deliberate confusion/conflation of truth with "balance" and "fairness".
By the time of Bill Clinton's second term, Stage One was all but complete, and Stage Two, especially in the radio part of the media, was well advanced. "Liberal" was now just as much a dirty word as "Communist" or "Nazi" in the American lexicon, and few leading Democratic politicians seemed to be interested in reclaiming it. (Or if they were, the media wasn't about to let us know they existed, unless they could be depicted in an unflattering way: "Hey! Look! There's Fat Teddy Kennedy, spouting off again! Aren't his jowls funny? And John Conyers is such a cranky old Negro!") The alliances between the Republican Party and Big Media were rock-solid, so much so that when the GOP Congress sent the Office of the "Independent" Counsel off on its famed fishing expedition against the Clintons, Big Media happily enabled it.
It didn't matter that the Whitewater real estate scam, which the OIC was supposed to be probing, had already been investigated repeatedly and the Clintons shown to be victims, not instigators; the Whitewater probe was just the cover the Republicans wanted to go digging into Bill Clinton's underwear drawer. (The original OIC chief, Robert Fiske, was forced out of the job by the Republicans before he could shut down shop and issue his findings exonerating the Clintons; Kenneth Starr was selected to replace him, and the rest, as they say, is history.)
And when the OIC found evidence of a sexual affair by Bill Clinton, and looked for ways to criminalize it (they finally settled on trying to create a perjury trap, except that the trap was doomed from the start in that the statement in question had nothing to do with what the OIC was supposed to be investigating), they and their media partners thought they had finally hit on the Conservatives' Holy Grail, the revenge for Watergate that they had sought for so long: The toppling of a Democratic President.
Except that they neglected to consider one thing: The rise of online journalism.
Sure, they knew about the internet. Hell, they even used conservative web gadfly Matt Drudge to put questionably-sourced OIC leaks "in play" so people like Michael Isikoff could crib from them and call it reporting.
But they didn't know about the rest of the internet. Specifically, they didn't know about Salon.com.
Back in early 1998, Salon was just about the only place one could turn to for a concentrated and thorough recital of the actual facts concerning The Hunting of the President -- or CoupGate, to use another term for it. It was just about the only major media source in the US that didn't depict Ken Starr and his crew as knights in shining armor.
Through the coverage provided by Murray Waas and Mollie Dickenson and Joe Conason and a few other brave souls at Salon and elsewhere, we learned things about the OIC that the GOP/Media Complex were at pains to conceal -- such as the connections between Michael Isikoff and Ken Starr and the OIC , who fed him patently illegal grand jury leaks that were often pushed through their mutual friend Matt Drudge so as to put them into "media play". (And let's not even go into Steno Sue Schmidt , who should have asked Ken Starr for a paycheck considering how assiduously she stenographed his agenda for her readers.)
The first flush of Salon's journalistic flower didn't last long -- the burst of the dot-com bubble eviscerated Salon's newsroom -- but it lasted long enough to push back the right-wing coup efforts a couple of years. And that in itself bought us enough time to get Air America and Democracy Radio -- talk-radio aimed at those people who weren't already listening to Pacifica or Democracy Now! -- off the ground, and for the reality-based part of the blogosphere to come into its own. (And it's having an influence on how journalists in Big Media view their methologies and philosophies -- as this blog by Eric Black of the Star Tribune shows.)
And as the castle of lies erected by the Bush Junta comes crumbling down, the people who were Bush's enablers are losing credibility and customers: FOX News' ratings have been on a steady downward slide, the righty blogs of the bigotsphere have lost readers even as the reality-based blogs gain in readership and influence, and we've seen people like Bob Woodward and Judith Miller and Tim Russert, the toasts of their fellow Big Media steno pool members, revealed to be hacks and shills and sell-outs.
We're still outmanned and outspent and outgunned. But our numbers are growing, and we have a big advantage in that it's far less effort to tell the truth than to constantly weave and reweave lies. And as Charles Boyer found out in Gaslight, even the best lies eventually fall apart of their own sheer weight.
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Fitz!
A zero for the land down under, now to read the post….
I see four lights
Great post, I’ll tell the folks downstairs that it’s up
If someone were to start an Objective News Network, or buy an existing one and turn it objective, they could potentially clean up.
But it’ll never happen.
I thought so.
And Michelle Maulkkkin is getting a “Truth In Journalism” award and Ollie North gets one for defending the constitution. Talk about Orwellian.
Oilfieldguy @ 7
Get out! That’s too much.
Good post, PW. I wonder if posts like this is what Jamison Foser was talking about:
Clearly they don’t know that I post here occasionally.
Grandpa OFG!!! Congrats on the next little one.
PW- This is such a good post. It should be run more than once so many will see it.
In the meantime, Spotlight-Spotlight.
Oilfieldguy @ 9
All well and good, but how many people read them? Fortunately, they do manage to get under the mainstream media’s skin every once in a while, but if the media just decided to ignore them (and us) completely one day, I’m not really sure what we could do about it.
Very well done and informative.
The only thing I would add is the influence of The Powell Manifesto
Summary by Jerry Landay
Now, I have to go and click the links you gave
john in sacramento @ 13
Not to be confused with the (Michael) Powell Doctrine…
Elliott @ 8
Read it and weep. from the latimes:
(my bold)
I misread it. Ollie North is a presenter of the “Defender of the Constitution Award” not the recipient.
Spotlight- Anyone know if the comments are sent along with the main post?
ReneND @ 17
I assume there would be a link to the main post, yes? The comments would certainly be there if they were to click on the link (not sure how likely that would be).
Oilfieldguy @ 16
(my bold)
I misread it. Ollie North is a presenter of the “Defender of the Constitution Award” not the recipient.
That’s almost the same thing.
Thanks for the quote and link.
North should still be in a lock box at Leavenworth for Iran-Contra, including the shredding.
And Michelle, we’d all be better off if she wore a muzzle.
EPUd, but:
Pachacutec @
68
Pach, are you referring to this by chance?
Egregious last thread, I am now dug out from the last big snow. We had over 2 feet in two weekend dumps.
Now it just looks pretty out. Taking the mini-rogs out skiing tomorrow. Wish me luck!
Balrog @ 21
I would think Balrogs and skiing really would not mix…
Hey Balrog—-good luck.
Eli @ 21
Shows what YOU know.
egregious @ 24
They have to wear some kind of specially insulated snowsuits, right?
As a collection, the left blogosphere has many more readers than most of of our big dailies, like the NYT and such. At least that’s what I understand. The shift is the iimportant thing, the rebirth of populism and the realization by the land of the rest of us, in Drifty’s words, the elite 1% would work us until we die in our traces and harvest our organs.
The movement is on, slow and steady, not as fast as Pach and Christy or the rest of us would like. All we can hope to do is give it shape and targets.
Thanks egregious. I’m off now good firepups. We have an individual artist fundraiser tonite here in OKC called “Biting The Apple.” As a local playwright, I must corral my posse of hot babes to escort me to the event. Ta Ta.
(Grandpa–hahahahaha)
Eli @ 22
Think the Abominable putting the star on the X-Mas tree in Rudolph.
‘Bumbles bounce!’
New Grandpa OFG at 15, either way. Horseshit.
At court yesterday SEVERAL people came up to me and whispered—
“You’re from [looking around] THAT BLOG right? I just wanted to let you know that I and lots of other people read you very carefully and thank you for what you are doing. I’m in profession X.”
It got to be where I could tell on approach whether they were coming over to compliment my Louboutins or our blog.
Yes, lots of people are reading us. But they are afraid. Hm wonder why.
Oilfieldguy @ 26
Is that really the target, though? I’m a lot more worried about TV and radio.
Oilfieldguy @ 26
don’t hurt yourself! ;)
egregious @ 29
Oh wow, that’s exciting!
Heck, it’s been exciting just being here in the comments!
The panel topic? “The Left’s Repeated Campaign Against the American Soldier.”
I posted concerns about the March 17th March in DC and the right wingers campaign to inflame people by saying the march is going to start at the Wall. There are several groups including Rolling Thunder and A Gathering of Eagles that are encouraging vets to come “protect the Wall”. It wouldn’t take much to turn this into a melee and I’m hoping the march organizers have enough control to keep the groups apart.
I heard Markos on Air America today. 500,000 hits a day, and far more during election time. That’s about what Chicago Sun’s readership is. Pretty darn good.
don’t hurt yourself! ;)
Yes, you know what happened to TRex with his contorted yoga poses. ;)
egregious @ 28
Maybe there needs to be an untraceable, anonymous email tip line set up. Gonna be more and more truth telling now that the bloom is off the rose.
Elliott @ 31
Yeah, well, I had trouble remembering to breathe my first day. But it’s getting better. Lots of support from y’all helps more than you might imagine. It’s very stressful, and only looks easy. Major kudos for the people who have organized all this.
Terry Olson @ 34
But how many of those hits are unique individuals, rather than the same people clicking back repeatedly? I’m sure the true number of Kos readers is still very large, but I don’t think it’s anywhere near 500,000.
Still a newbie ’round here and feeling my way around, but I just did my first spotlight of this very post.
urban pirate @ 35
I think you would be surprised at the source of some information making it onto the blogs.
A truly superb post!
Too bad that your post is not on the front page above the fold of the NY Times & WaPo. It would be an eye opener for almost everyone.
Coincidentally, within a year of Gaslight there was another memorable movie that is worth seeing again & again. Mildred Pierce
http://www.moviesunlimited.com.....sku=D36911
LoudounLib @ 38
YAY YOU!!!
Fun, ain’t it?
Fantastic post.
Liberals have to follow the Simon model and put money into honest liberal journalism and media. (And I’ll settle either for honest journalism or liberal journalism, but why not have both?) The reluctance of the liberal money people to support media is puzzling, and it’s been disastrous.
A lot of people zero in on individual reporters, but the reporters all know what their bosses want. The problem is at the top. And no one ever says this, but Graham and Sulzberger at the Post and Times are bad guys. You’re wasting your time waiting for the Times or the Post to get any better, because their owners like them the way they are.
Eli @ 37
True.
My rant about Walter Reed is over at egregiousBlog.
http://mcegregious.blogspot.co.....nough.html
The right is gonna blame this on Clinton’s defunding the VA system.
Count on it.
I say we’ve got to understand the facts and be ready to get the truth out there.
[Mod Note; edited to include correct link.]
egregious @ 41
Yes indeed - it could become a habit! ;-)
LoudounLib @ 38
And you can do 10 at a time. Then 10 more. Then…
ReneND @ 45
Ah, lightbulb moment! ;-)
AAAARRRGGGHHH
Correct link:
http://mcegregious.blogspot.co.....nough.html
But but but….
Eagleton comes from the Barry McCabe box in proclaiming his famous neutrality the while running a sub-text of aiming to destroy the social structure. McCabe, of course recanted in old age: he was after all a genuine intellect. Something dishonest in Eagleton, perhaps his arrogance, seems to prevent him from crawling back under his stone.
While cruisin’ the Google on an unrelated search, I found this gem by Rick Perlstein. He relates some of the ideas he put forth in his book The Stock Ticker and the Superjumbo: How the Democrats Can Once Again Become America’s Dominant Political Party.
Some excerpts:
What happened to EDIT?
I’m within the 5 minute period….
Throwing myself on the mercy of the lovely, lovely, hardworking mods :o
urban pirate @ 36
IhopeIhopeIhope
I deeply luv our mods :)
THANK YOU. You rock.
IIRC I heard that “edit” was disabled during the Libby verdict watch to spare the poor servers.
However I just edited this post. Ignore me.
Renee in Ohio @ 3
Thanks for the great link!
Wonderful blog. For a long time now I have not relied upon MSM for my news opting for NPR and the NewsHour and whatever else I can select on-line. Until this Libby trial I had no idea that FDL existed and only happened upon it. And now, I cannot tear myself away. It is biased, but I agree with the blog that all news is biased. All historical reporting is biased for that matter. Integrity lies in acknowledging this and encouraging critical response. This blog is a valuable asset and I am happily pressing the button to put money where my fingertips are. Thank you FDL.
John Emerson @ 42
Actually the biggest problem at the WaPo is Len Downie, the editor. He “cut his journalistic teeth” at Ohio State, editing the student paper there and supporting the administration against student free speech supporters. No stripes have been changed on THIS zebra.
I’m sure I speak for all when I say thank you right back Teresa. Come back often.
I love Gaslight.
and all of the actors and Ms. Bergman.
Teresa 1958 @ 55
Kind words Teresa and Welcome to the Lake.
I know there is a limit to the length of a post but you really should spend some time on the rise of the news anchor “star” and the Q ratings.
Once the networks moved to attracting viewers based on looks and appeal, the intelligent reporter was pushed into the background. Ted Baxter (Mary Tyler Moore Show) is alive and well on most cable and newwork news shows. The pay scale for top reporters also pushed them into the social circles of the powerful that they were covering. Must be tough to do a hard hitting story on a member of your golf club.
The other fact is that reporters today are very uneducated. Sure they may a degree in “Communications” but how does that prepare them to cover politics, history and accounting are the areas of study reporters should be schooled in. They need to know why and how politicians steal power and money.
I think we all agree that most reporters are lazy. Not that they don’t work hard but they do not work smart. They would rather be spoon fed a story that to spend the time researching all avenues of information. For christ sake, you would think with access to Nexus/Lexus and Google they would be overwhelmed with data.
There is fairness in reporting, there is not absolute truth. Your professor had it backwards.
The Powell Manifesto, “Businessmen of the world, unite. You have nothing to lose but your silk neckties.”
Basic problem, the left is focused on attacking a wealth of problems, from social injustice to environmental degradation to unequal economic access. The right is focused on attacking the left.
Proposal, that we define a few bumper sticker ideas that are axiomatic such as “The purpose of government is to do things for the people that they cannot do for themselves” or “Government solves problems every day the postman comes.”
From axioms that run counter to the Ridiculous Reagan Rubric ” nine most feared words (I’m from the government and I’m here to help), develop postulates that apply to specific issues. It does require organization, which has not only been our weak point it is almost antithetical to our purpose of weakening the power of large organizations.
We are getting better, as witness that I can post this comment. Makes me wonder if the right had forseen the power of the net, would they have been so enthusiastic to embrace it?
angie @ 59
Angie -
Don’t forget Angela (Lansbury)
One of my favorite explanations of the difference between “being neutral” - which often means stenographer to a liar and “being objective” is the “Death Star” analogy:
as explained by Cenk: http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...../133210/10
There are not too many objective folks left.
slainte,
cl
Now I have read back up the line.
I suppose FDL is Left compared with Bush and most of his Republican pals, but to apostrophize it as “Left” means it is biassed leftwards as the Limbaughs, Coulters, Malkins and anyone at Fox is Right.
FDL strikes me as objective, realist and correct! The Left, Over There where the Left has always had a strong voice, from strong Socialist on left to out-and-out Cmmunist, has been the trimmers of the truth.
KEEP GOING, please!
I came here having spent most of my life considered as being right of Attila and having worked in the rightist party in three countries. It took little time to consider the Republican party to contain a solid and dangerous rump of Fascists, now a great deal even more dangerous having handed itself over to the Neocons, the crazed Fascist (Netanyahu Pere Founder) section of The Lobby.
Organic George @ 60
That’s how the term COCKTAIL WEENIE was born here. More concerned about the cocktail parties.
Caoimhin Laochdha @ 64
a must read,
thanks cl
Balrog @ 19
LOL. I loved those comics. I had Dan Martin books.
What a great post - but reading it makes me mad - and makes me scared, like I am everyday - at the rightwing’s fascist domination of our Fourth Estate and the destruction of our democracy.
It’s sure a constant, steep, uphill battle, ain’t it? One we all fight everyday. It’s just so discouraging sometimes - and so aggravating. But we all wake up every morning and know we have no other choice. In our own ways we all keep doing as much as we can because we know we either keep fighting - harder, smarter, more honestly - getting some encouragement from our small and our occasional large victories - or else it’s over…
Thanks Renee ND, this is such a great group. You all resore my faith in humanity and humor!!
PW, I certainly agree with you about Salon being absolutely critical in the late 90’s as a central focus for information critical of the “Take Down Bill Clinton” forces. Without it and its independent investigative Journalists few would have had access to the factual data base with which to take on the right. I would actually take Salon and its message boards in 98 as the raw material necessary for the founding of Censure and Move On, now simply shortened to Move on. Polls showed Clinton remained popular, and through Salon’s journalism and the Move-on movement, the strength of those numbers were provided to a congress that might have gone all mushy on us.
But this sequence demonstrates something else — the fragmentation of media (and it is getting more so) and the necessity of having to create in the midst of a constitutional crisis a whole new organization. We really didn’t have reliable institutions that could dependably pick up and do advocacy. Unlike in 98 there are now hundreds of sites that provide E-Mail “heads-up” notices, links to data collections and analysis, and additional links to sites where you can write Congresspersons or Senators, or otherwise engage in limited political advocacy. And this all comes complete with ways to donate to candidates taking your position. (just ask Lamont, Webb and Welsh how valuable that was when it was needed.) Just as MSM talks about convergence — this is a new convergence on the progressive side of things. So how to strengthen it — what are the potential weaknesses?
Up front — one weakness is the lack of means to put independent news gatherers into the field as needed. That still makes us dependent on what Major Media choose to deploy assets to cover. Somehow we need the financial resources to support putting freelancers with expertise in the field on demand and to some degree task them to address questions not covered in major media. It is being done with donations right here on Firedoglake sending Jane, Chisty, Marcy and others to the DC Courthouse, but this is just a first effort at direct alternative coverage with different kinds of reporters. We have to create hundreds of such efforts, and find a way to properly financially support them.
Then we have to work at this “convergence” thing — issue by issue, narrative by narrative we need to be addressing existant movements, or potential movements and providing the support necessary that they become effective citizen lobbyies.
Phoenix Woman
Thank you,
this is a valuable, and wonderful, post.
Elliott @ 63
She is a peach! Got my Bedknobs and Broomsticks right ‘ere.
restore, sorry!
Eli @ 29
We ARE TV and radio. And we’re as close to live as CNN. and in 22 months fdl and crooks&liars and kos will be able to assimilate and deliver rational information 2x faster than we can today. And 22 months later, we’ll be 2x faster again.
Meanwhile, the MSM is stuck in their paradigm/schtick, falling further and further into the
gutter, uh, margin. No wonder they hate us and revile us so. Look at egregious’s # 28 for further proof.Time to invite Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzales to fdl for a guest post or interview.
Teresa 1958 @ 68
Teresa 1958 @ 68
You want humor? Don’t miss TRex on Late Night.
thanks for helping to set the
rightrecord straight with truth…The time is out of joint; O cursed spite,
That ever I was born to set it right!
Hamlet
angie @ 73
But creepy in The Manchurian Candidate
It’s been fun but I gotta run
L8r
Excellent Post, PW!!! Great to have you posting here.
God it pisses me off to no end.
I had no idea of Isikoff’s role. More corruption. Sigh.
There’s literally billions of dollars in the trough if the republicans gain/maintain power (Taibbi’s piece said the tax cuts benefitted the Walton family alone by $40 BN), so it’s not surpising they’ve poneyed up so much for so long.
These are the same people now extolling “bi-partisanship” (date-rape) and imploring us to reduce the rancor. THey’re terrified people will storm the castles now the a little truth has seped through.
I fear that if we don’t storm the castles we may go beyond the point of no return.
The internet caught them off-guard. We are lucky to get some breathing room. I’m not so sure the puppet masters will let that happen for long.
I have just recently logged on and may have missed the answer to this question, but does anyone feel that NPR has been way too middle of the road borderline sympathetic to the current administration talking points on a number of issues. I am thinking specifically of Nina Totenbergs reporting on the Libby trial.
I forgot to mention - great post, Phoenix Woman.
Ed*ard Teller @ 75
It’s not a question of whether we can match TV & radio in function or content, it’s a question of whether we can match TV & radio in terms of *reach* - that’s where I’m worried.
Teresa 1958 @ 56
Welcome to the Lake!
Yes, indeedy!
petedownunder @ 54
petedownunder!
We would never ignore you.
For one thing, you’ve got the good weather. Send some our way please?
Ok, just cause I love you guys so much, here are some more thoughts on being in court yesterday.
Preview—
Truth and beauty: our weapons.
jeffreyw @ 83
Yep.
A year ago and many times since, I have asked for this to happen.
It’s the future.
Teresa 1958 @ 79
I agree in general, but as to Nina, I have not listened to her for so long I can’t give an answer, other than to note some of the live bloggers in the media room for the trial seem to enjoy her company.
I said the other day that we need FDL XM. No one can sit at the computer to get all of the news that you need.
On that note I’m off to finish a grout project.
BTW, those 12 year olds on HGTV doing this kind of project between commercials are getting lots of help. Who knew?
Eli @ 82
If you look at the growth of readership at progressive blogs since 2004 compared to the drop in readership and viewership of MS flagship relics (and newer models, like FOX), there will soon be an intersection of “reach.” We will win. Not only that, but because our platform is all about innovation and theirs is all about keeping what they have, it will just get more and more fascinating watching them spiral downward.
Thanks Urban Pirate! This FDL participation is gratifyiing because I work in Chicago for a state agency no less where Fitzgerald is both feared and villified, and I have no commrades to chearlead him on with. So you all at FDL fill a huge void not only with respect to news access but hugely valuable commraderie. THANK YOU!!
Eli @ 37
At my humble blog I’ve got over 1,000 profile views.
Some of those are even from other people! :)
ET you still on?
Wanted to tell you of my brother who got his fellow brass players to play a 5th halleluia in the Messiah at a public concert.
Needless to say the conductor was Not Amused.
I doubt anyone else even noticed.
Teresa 1958 @
80
I’ll respectfully disagree. I think Nina’s summaries have been quite comprehensive and accurate. I have been disappointed that they haven’t given her time to provide any real overview, but hope this will come with the verdict. Anyhow, I think she and Anne Garrells are among the best on NPR.
JeffretW @67 - Yes she does seem like a nice person. But is she trying to be too nice??
Hey Christy, Jane, Pach and company- I just wanted to say that you have all put together an amazing website that truly inspires us all. I have been preparing for a trial that begins this monday and have to say that during breaks in preparation, I will come down here for some trial prep respite and it is always satisfying.
I hope the news is good for Fitz next week.
jeffreyw @ 88
I stopped listening to NPR in the mid-90s because they are the classic example of neutral to the point of being servants of the right wing and now the Bush administration. Maura Liason lived in Ken Starr’s living room for all I could tell.
I hear Rene Montagne or Steve Inskeep shilling for their Republican overlords and I want to throw the radio across the room.
Leading up to the 2006 election, they (especially morning edition) did three weeks straight of puffing one tight GOP
comebackrace after another.NPR is scum journalism — that’s objective.
slainte,
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egregious,
Louboutins, eh? Good thing you weren’t covering Condi’s trial. She’d have her bodyguards corner you and steal ‘em off your feet. Maybe next year…
egregious @ 92
It’s got to grow Egregious. I just tried to bookmark you from your last link, but it was only that particular link. I’ve also bookmarked Marcy’s Last Hurrah. GREAT stuff. Thanks.
Ed*ard Teller @ 90
Nothing would make me happier than to see the MSM die the free-market death it so richly deserves, or else be forced to mend its ways.
But as long as people can watch TV or listen to radio without exerting themselves in any way, they will always have a structural advantage. Which is why I really want to see some non-Republican TV news options other than Countdown.
Gromit @93 - I take your point. I am a huge fan of Nina Totenberg, but I do feel that in her efforts to be objective she omits descriptions that may seem controversial. For example she did not describe in detail closing arguments or Ted Wells histrionic performance. I’m thinking that should have been included in her reporting.
As long as the topic is media, and the NYT put them up in time, here are tomorrow morning’s columnists:
http://mgpaquin.blogspot.com/
Bobo, Kristof and Rich. Enjoy. I put them up every morning, if anyone is interested… Usually some time between 6:15 and 7:00 EST, at the end of Late Nite.
ok wow I just saw #96
wow, great post.
i just want to give some recognition to the indymedia folks - who’ve been pioneering alternative internet based media all over the world - since pre-blog days.
here’s an example from today…. out local veterans for peace group had a conference call with senator kerry (he reportedly said he was considering voting against funding the iraq war/occupation in 2008!!??).
here’s the indymedia report, and here’s john walsh’s essay.
PW: An outstanding post! Many thanks for filling in that history.
I agree than the trend lines are sloping to an intersection, but until it is as easy for the average, harried, and easily distracted viewer/consumer to turn a TV type web monitor to a favorite, trusted, channel full of progressive actors we will be at a huge disadvantage.
There is a lot of good content out there, but we have to seek it, we have to take positive steps in order to see it. Until it can be passively consumed, the presentation of a progressive agenda as an antidote to centrist pap will be a only dream for the activists among us. People can be swung to our side, but only if it is easy to reach them, and easy for them to watch.
edit: heh, ignore this post, read Eli @ 99 as he says it better, and faster
jeffreyw @ 106
Yep. This is why I always temper my enthusiasm about the potentialities of the blogosphere.
Teresa 1958 @101. I see what you mean. I suppose that I’d assumed it was due to time pressure, but it could easily be overt censorship or self-censorship. These things can be very insidious when you think about it. And why do the reporters with the most guts seem to be women these days?…Dana Priest, Lara Logan, Anne Garrells, Jane Hamsher :-)
Eli @ 100
True, but do we care that much about those people who can watch TV or listen to radio without exerting themselves in any way? There is less structural advantage to that paradigm every second.
What happened here and at other activist blogs during the 2006 election was the opposite of the dynamic your giving credence to here. When somebody like egregious can inspire hundreds of people all over the world, from her laptop in northern Virginia, to give thousands of dollars to a forlorn hope with character, like Diane Benson in her run against Don Young for congress, those couch potatoes who slouch watching commercials and pap on FOX or CNN or wherever are next to meaningless.
The web and netroots are all about action, innovation and constant learning. The MSM is all about the inaction you so aptly described, lack of innovation and constant forgetting.
Eli @
37
Eli — that’s unique hits, not total pageviews.
Readership of DKos combined with that of the next couple progressive blogs rivals readership of NYT or WaPo in paper.
They can no longer deny us. They can no longer blow us off if we have the ability to make or break their profitability any given week.
It’s just a matter of time and sustained effort on our part as citizens to be the news we want to see.
egregious @ 86
How nice of you. Thanks.
While it is summer in Queensland (and very warm and pleasant) there is a cyclone off the coast that is viewed as a potential mixed blessing. A cyclone up north two years ago caused major damage, but if this one just stays off shore and pelts us with rain, we could really use it. Reservoirs are down to about 20% in the worst drought anyone can remember.
Gromit@107 - Yes, I think maybe she might be constrained in some way from including certain facts or descriptions either by time or other reasons. She’s a good reporter and it has been a puzzle to me.
I agree and guess what?
If we do not move forward quickly, it’s all over.
The word blog is not a good one to describe a serious journalism effort. The decline of the media is due in large part to the Communications Act of 1934 grantinbg indefinite licenses for broadcast spectrum to select few. The FCC has always been a disaster failing to revoke broadcast and radio broadcast license so that more can participate for the “public interest, convenience and necessity”. There is no tv news left, only cheap news involcing minimal production costs such as OJ trial or sitting in the White House press room. Hopefully, FDL and its progeny can do better.
Ed*ard Teller @ 109
The couch potatoes outnumber us, and they *vote*. *That’s* why I care.
Rayne @ 110
I understand that, but unique hits does not equal unique visitors. If I click on Kos, say, once every hour or so, I’m going to count as 24 or at least 12 hits, even though I’m just one person.
There are media people who are disgusted with the ghoulish coverage of celebrity death this past couple of weeks.
Also they see the fired attorneys general as a BIG story.
urban pirate @ 79
Far too often this point is the “lost” forest for the tree that is apparently an “unmentionable” by our recumbent Press.
I don’t know how many times I’ve said this before, but I’ll say it again:
The “greatest” unmentionable financial success secret is investing in “Lobbying”. The ROI (return on investment) is many 100s of dollars for every penny invested.
$10,000 invested in a lobby effort can return millions in legislature-provided “loopholes”, a guaranteed place for a nose buried deep in the government pork barrel, and even “free” money.
An investment in “Lobbying” is a far better choice than taking your money and sticking it into Oil, or into Real Estate, or into any of the multitude of other “financial opportunities”.
For the wealthy elite in-the-know, money has always grown on trees, and that particular forest is always for sale down at your favorite legislative institution.
An argument for stopping this would make for grand ethics, but for a poor understanding of human nature.
Better perhaps to pragmatically use this mechanism to advance the causes that benefit all. Because money doesn’t have to feed just greed, it can shoe the shoeless, house the homeless, heal the ill just as well.
Oilfieldguy @ 25
Oilfieldguy, are you really in Oklahoma City? My husband is from there and although his parents were firm and liberal Dems, every other family member and friend is solid repug. Are you the only progressive in Oklahoma City or are there more?
newyorklawyer@113: They FDL are doing better. Don’t you think? You are seeming very cranky
Terry Olson @ 99
egregious @ 92
Eli @ 37
Terry Olson @ 34
I heard Markos on Air America today. 500,000 hits a day, and far more during election time. That’s about what Chicago Sun’s readership is. Pretty darn good.
But how many of those hits are unique individuals, rather than the same people clicking back repeatedly? I’m sure the true number of Kos readers is still very large, but I don’t think it’s anywhere near 500,000.
At my humble blog I’ve got over 1,000 profile views.
Some of those are even from other people! :)
It’s got to grow Egregious. I just tried to bookmark you from your last link, but it was only that particular link. I’ve also bookmarked Marcy’s Last Hurrah. GREAT stuff. Thanks.
*******
Link to egregiousBlog in general. Thx for the luv.
Rayne @ 110
Rayne,
Hope to get to shake your hand at YearlyKos.
Judith @ 119
I think OK Kiddo is in OKC too. That makes two.
What Eli said.
Eli (100), jeffreyw (106) –
Think convergence. There is a technology with a larger installed base than personal computers, whose use is unquestioned and readily accepted by young and old alike.
Cell phones represent 125 to 150% of the installed base of computers, and with an overlap of roughly 50 to 60% of the same market. There are expected to be more people accessing the internet by phone within the year globally than there are computer-based internet users.
This is the space in which we can reach those diehard television viewers who get most of their news by broadcast or cable. While they are sitting in the doctor’s office or waiting for their car to get tuned up or standing in line at the grocery store, they can get their news, and they won’t resist it like they do computers because they already know how to use a phone.
At the same time, there is a generational shift underway; compelling television is moving to computers via internet and YouTube-like vehicles. It will encourage the most resistent folks to migrate to computer use. The remaining hold outs are dying off, I’m sorry to say; I am marking the passage with the increasing disability of my in-laws in their 70’s and their friends in their 80’s. These holdouts will represent a swing vote faction over the next 10 years, but the bulk of voters will be technologically-able.
I get paid nicely to explain this to folks from whom you buy technology, by the way. ;-)
Eli @ 115
Unique by IP addy, Eli.
I think the TV folks may be reachable, in the fusion of blogs and TV that is YouTube and Politics TV. Those “broadcasts” that Jane, Marcy, Jeralyn and Swopa did were amazing and I think could appeal to a wider audience if they knew they were there. Us old folks may be unreachable but the youngsters are aware of YouTube and may get the message. They don’t read newspapers, so TV or the Toobz are the only access points.
Just finished a big long rambly “meta” style post on Learning not to bite.
I don’t disagree, but it is not here yet, (and I don’t believe it will come on a cell phone).
Edit function still on the fritz? Not that I’m trying to correct anything, but unusual not to see the option available.
Thanks and All Hail Our Glorious Moderators.
I come from a long line of liberals and I’m the only one in my family and extended family who’s ever heard of, much less read, a blog.
Let’s not kid ourselves or get too insular. There are a lot of well-intentioned but ill-informed people out there listening to NPR and reading the NYT and think they’re on the cutting edge. A lot.
Eli @ 115
I suppose they’ll always outnumber us, but some were outraged enough to vote for us in ‘06 and some just said “screw it” after watching Denny Hastert spew his BS in front of the camera one too many times last October.
But - and this includes angie’s concerns - energetic, organized people who are willing and able to harness technology, common sense, ingenuity & honesty, and who learn from their mistakes and experiences usually win, even against well-funded, entrenched opposition.
Renee in Ohio @
3
Renee, thank you for this reminder. Granted, i never fell for it either. But i felt crushed by it then, and i’m feeling crushed by it once more. I still refuse to give in. I want to change the media from the inside out. It’s going to take longer to heal this than it took for the NeoCons to destroy it. I intend to be there to see it through, one way or another.
egregious @ 128
Working for me egr.
jeffreyw @
133
Me too.
NPR is especially dangerous because they still have the *liberal good housekeeping stamp of approval* but their news is skewed in a very stealthy way. No one I know would be caught dead listening to Fox, because what they are is obvious. NPR? Not so much.
sorry for the typos
jeffreyw @ 128
To a limited extent, you are right; it’s going to be an MP3-enabled cell phone, or even an MP3 player like an iPod. There are a lot of folks out there who have their kids download stuff for them on their Macs and then download to their iPods, just so they don’t have to do it.
What if the cost of the iPhone decreases, and all they have to do is dial a phonenumber to download an MP3 news file?
Easy.
I already listen to NPR this way, on my Creative Zen device, download the news I want.
In fact I’m already frustrated with this technology because searching audio for a quote is nowhere as easy as searching text. What I wouldn’t give for a tool that would transcribe on demand…I’d buy it and write it off in a heartbeat.
Strange, I am watching Camille Paglia, professor at The University of Arts on C-span talking about the conservative assault on the National Endowment for The Arts among other things. Speaking to what you are writing about Poenix Woman. Does no one on the right realize how monumentally important art in all of its variations is….what a dark souless world these people create for themselves, I just wish they would leave the rest us to enjoy our culture unmolested by their grubby little hands, and thoroughly filthy minds.
LOL at #92, egregious!
Rayne @ 124
So if we grant the assumption that people will be getting a lot of their news from their cellphones (which I’m skeptical about - it’s a medium that invites very shallow, bite-sized content), who are the gatekeepers of that news? Does the cellphone user need internet access on their phone, or to jump through some kind of hoops with their provider to get FDL or other alternative sources on their phone?
I agree that internet-connected PCs and users comfortable with them are growing, but I think it’s going to take a long time before people use their computers the same way they use TVs. It’s always going to be very much a self-service medium, and until they can just click on a site like FDLTV.com and watch, they’re going to stick with regular TV.
Also:
o I find that video and web-browsing do not coexist very well on my PC - I generally have to be doing one or the other, which makes TV preferable if I want to do both. This could be probably be fixed with some widgets or OS changes, though.
o What guarantee that the right won’t “colonize” this space as well? At least we’ll be competitive there, but that’s going to dilute the internet’s value as a counterweight to traditional media, when the internet’s going to be infested with right-wing crap, and I’m not sure how many people will recognize it as such.
Since the subject has come up several times, the “edit comment” feature has not been disabled but we likely will do so as traffic spikes during jury watch. It is also likely that “Quote This Comment” will be disabled until we can balance server loads.
We hope to be able to say something in the comments when we do this, but if that doesn’t happen, we will appreciate any assistance y’all can provide to spread the word. We will restore both functions as soon as traffic subsides.
And egr…ygm.
TradMed’s also very good at creating inhouse “advocates” who act like they are reader representatives, in order to tamp down reader rage and make us feel that we have a voice within the organization. Some are actually good at their jobs — the jobs we want them to do, being critical and incisive of the institution they are employed by.
Then there’s Deborah Howell, who puts the lie to the entire construct. She regularly backs Washington Post editorial and management decisions or takes opinionists to the woodshed if they stray. In tomorrow’s column, she simply piggybacks on the very popular Walter Reed story, presents no reader concerns, and pretends to show us how the journalism sausage gets made.
Fine post, PW. More, please!
Rayne @ 125
Just on the Sitemeter for my own blog, I can see individual visitors getting counted again (as hits, not page views) when they return, even on the same day.
Jenny from the Blog @ 134
I remember telling a Republican coworker who was grousing about “that liberal PBS” that I thought it should be required viewing before one was allowed to vote. Needless to say, this was many years ago. Today, not so much, but they can be saved. I’m happy that Bill Moyers will have another shot at it.
Jenny from the Blog @ 130
Hey, if my 60 and 70-year-old folks grok blogs, I don’t think we’re too far away from fully breaching the divide. My mom was shocked, SHOCKED, by the YouTube vid I showed her this spring of the voting machine manipulations; she started poking around YouTube after that for more vids.
If the content is authentic and compelling, they will come.
new york lawyer @ 136
You did just fine. Keep up the nice work. And welcome to the Lake, if you haven’t already been greeted properly.
Teresa 1958 @ 119
I am working
MadDog @ 117,
You had me wanting to be a lobbyist for a minute there. Until you get into the ethics conundrum.
I admit that I like money. Honest money.
Jenny from the Blog @ 130
Hi, Jenny!
Exactly. The blogosphere is not nearly as pervasive or influential as we want to think it is, at least not yet. The people who know about it are very passionate and energized, and can do a lot of good, but in terms of actual votes, we’re insignificant.
This discussion should happen again and again. Media is evolving. One thing that is important is how to market information gathering to people who are not particularly interested. Our culture has devolved significantly.
I feel very discouraged about the future of our country for so many reasons, but perhaps the most for the lack of interest in the world, the failure to read, and the inundation of our airwaves with everything Anna Nicole and celebrity, at the expense of any critical thinking or knowledge gathering.
My point exactly. NPR has become very middle of the road. The “next left” is the blogs
What Rayne said at # 124!
I remember when no self-respecting alpha male typed, or at least admitted he knew how. I’ve been laughing for 35 years at guys who didn’t want to be disturbed with facts, information or anything beyond what you’d hear at an NFL tailgater party. These self-willing, shameless ignoramuses are only relevant to the extent they can be controlled or manipulated.
My 58yo wife wants an iPhone for her birthday, and I’m going to get her one. My kids and their friends rarely watch “American Idol,” and then only to jeer at the whole slimy process, not at the contestants.
Within a year, we’ll be thinking more along the lines of the owner of the NYT, who already doesn’t even care whether or not his paper is still there in five years…
bg @ 149
Have you heard of a movie called Idiocracy? Mike Judge attempts to extrapolate current trends to predict what our culture will be like in 500 years.
The most popular show on television is called “Ow, My Balls!”
OH, you mean like in 5 years don’t you?
Would be a real money maker today, I fear.
new thread
Eli (140) — you got school-aged kids at home?
I do. They are freaky with technology, use it as easily as pouring water. I’m no slouch and I’ve seen them walk up and automatically do things that take me much longer to do.
My daughter will vote in 2012 for the first time. Her news will be iPod or cellphone delivered. This is the target group we need to aim for, her compatriots that are only a couple of years older.
And yeah, the right could colonize this, but if they could, why aren’t they doing it now? They tend to be slower and later adopters, tend to be push-only and not push-pull, two-way. This is what we need to capitalize upon, particularly since future voters like my daughter demand and expect two-way, not push media.
Gads, we are already so very close. We should be doing audio interviews right now for post readers who’ll record FDL content for MP3 distribution.
bg @ 153
I think they actually call it “Jackass.”
The cleaned up version is “America’s Funniest Home Videos.”
bg and jw: Yes, as I was typing that I was thinking that 500 years was waaaay too generous.
Rayne, I really hope you’re right - and yes, it’s going to *have* to be the generation that’s really comfortable with internet technology in all its forms.
NewYorkLawyer@146 - That’s more than I can say for myself. Thanks for the reality check
NewYorkLawyer@146 Although could be why I am not so cranky :)
Terry Olson @ 147
A tool is a tool. Can be used for bad stuff as well as good stuff.
I’ve never quite understood what is taking the Netroots so long to find this immensely powerful tool.
The Netroots has been quite understandably congratulated for its stellar work with GOTV (Get Out The Vote).
But it has yet to grasp the enormity and power that “Lobbying” provides.
And I’m not talking about a marching handful of tree-hugging hippies or a gathering group of Grandmas against the War.
I am talking about folks who wear suits and power ties, and are permanently employed to work the power levers of government.
And I’m also not talking about greed merchants haunting the hallways of Congress, but folks who take the lobbying interests of the people they represent seriously.
Effective lobbying by ethical masters of the trade ain’t no oxymoron. True, they are probably outnumbered by the scuzzbags solely in it for the greed, but “Good Guys” are not by definition nonexistent.
I would love to see Markos, Jane, Howie Klein et al of the Netroots take that next step beyond just GOTV and make the move to get some real hands-on players working those levers of power.
Again, the value of a tool is in how you use it. The Netroots have all the ethics they need. Now they need to stop ignoring the very real tools that can and do make things happen!
In two weeks I’m walking the halls of congress for the Organic Community. The 07 Farm Bill is being drafted now. Every year since 1989 the organic community has lobbied congress. Are we some big bad industry group? No we are just using the tools that are available to us. The biggest tool we have when we visit elected officials is to show them what economic impact we have in their district.
So I would suggest that the blogging community start to gather information about who bolggers are. What taxes they pay, where they live, jobs etc.
You cannot just show up with the TRUTH on your side. You have to show you make an impact in their lives. Yes you vote but there is so much more.
What happened to fascist media after Mussolina’s reign? I wonder if the members of that media were blacklisted (for lack of a better word) from ever working in any profession involving public trust. Are there any strategic methods, pertaining to the media, from that era that could be helpful to us now?
When I started my weblog I credited FDL as my inspiration. Posts like this are why.
Thanks for crediting Salon… I know that during those dark days of 1998, it was one of the few places that I found any sanity. All day, I would be refreshing my screen, looking for Joe Conason’s latest column.
In fact, I still think that Salon’s blogger community was part of the wetlands that has created the blogosphere. Can’t really say that now, but then so many other wetlands have also suffered from development.
Organic George @ 162
Thanks for stating the undeniable fact that lobbying works!
And that there is no inherent relationship between lobbying and unethical behavior!
Teresa 1958 @ 80
I stopped listening to NPR couple of years ago and stopped donating as well, no sense helping the repugs spread their propaganda.
The Pilsbury Report in late 1995 exonerated the Clintons of any wrongdoing in Whitewater.
http://archives.cjr.org/year/9.....ewater.asp
Bart’s Law #2:
Any time a person or entity makes a “mistake” that puts extra money (or power) in their pocket, expect them to make that “mistake” again and again and again.
ReneND @ 11
Thanks!
Steve J. @ 168
Yup, and that report was authorized by a hostile Republican Congress which refused to believe the results. So they pushed for the revival of the OIC.
John Emerson @
42
A key point. But take the next step. If the interests and opinions of a small number of corporate owners can dictate the content and slant of our public discourse, how can any sort of democracy survive? Or, to put the matter differently, how can we ever get high quality public policy?
My conclusion is that the electronic media system has to be changed from a pure corporate ownership model to some sort of publicly steered oversight system. Essentially the electorate needs some kind of check on the enormous power conferred by media ownership. In order to formulate the specifics of such an approach, it would be necessary to study media control systems around the world, as well as a range of proposals, to find some approach that could work.
The condition of U.S. electronic media is now so dismal that I believe we should give high priority to the search for a better system.
In 2002, I realized that our MSM had been turned into a WMD, a Weapon of Mass Deception, in the Bush/Cheney/PNAC-contrived rush for beginning war in Iraq. And this WMD MSM agenda is the exclusive province of the Republican Party…for now.
For instance, some wealthy Republicans established some week-end ?journalism? schools, one of whose graduates, Jim Guckert, morphed into Jeff Gannon with a press pass for presidential news conferences. A week-end ?journalism? degree? C’mon, who are they kidding, or more appropriately, trying to deceive?
In other words, how many more Republican “plants” are there in the MSM? People who start with a bias and have no interest at all in objectivity, or truth, or balance, or fairness? Hey, just look at Fox News for a prime example.
Who, what, when, where, how and why have turned into “talking points” power-point MSM presentations, solely pushed by a specific political party, that have done more damage to our democracy and the Fourth Estate than any al Qaeda terrorist attack.
This is why I have turned more and more to the blogosphere for the who, what, when, where, how and why…while keeping a wary eye on the WMD MSM. Because, although I am aware of what the right-wing conspirators are attempting to do to the MSM, there are still plenty of honorable, responsible journalists, editors and even publishers in the MSM who have not succumbed to the traitorous subterfuge certain right-wing ideologues have unleashed on our Fourth Estate.
Thus, I really value the blogosphere in this time of extreme peril to our democracy. And why I value “net-neutrality” as well. There is no net-neutrality in Red China, or in numerous theocratic police states scattered across the Near and Far East. So, why would anyone in America (at least in their right mind) think that subverting net-neutrality in our freedom-loving, democratic, First Amendment nation is a good idea?
Oh, I get it. Control the information flow. Control the media outlets. Control the internet. Control the citizenry. Objectively speaking, I get the picture. The “thought-control” police are alive and well, and firmly rooted in the Republican Party of today. The Party of Lincoln and Eisenhower is hardly recognizable anymore, and to view something comparable one would have to travel to a Communist country or theocratic police state.
And Karl Rove, Alberto Gonzales, Dick Cheney and George W. Bush are at the center of this web of corruption and deception in today’s Republican Party. Shame on all of them. Why do they hate our democracy so much? Isn’t it time to stop them, before they do even more damage to the Republican Party and to our nation?
oops, I did that wrong. try again.
I think we all agree that most reporters are lazy. Not that they don’t work hard but they do not work smart. They would rather be spoon fed a story that to spend the time researching all avenues of information. For christ sake, you would think with access to Nexus/Lexus and Google they would be overwhelmed with data.
oh no.
I think we all agree that most reporters are lazy. Not that they don’t work hard but they do not work smart. They would rather be spoon fed a story that to spend the time researching all avenues of information. For christ sake, you would think with access to Nexus/Lexus and Google they would be overwhelmed with data.
Teresa 1958 @ 159
No it is not. I thought your comment was well taken.