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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/02/fdl-late-nite-did-you-hear-the-one-about/#comment-536896</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For Terry @ 318&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Getting old is the object of the exercise.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Never give up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Getting old is the object of the exercise.</p>
<p>Never give up.</p>
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		<title>By: terry hallinan</title>
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		<dc:creator>terry hallinan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-536867&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;SouthernDragon @&lt;br /&gt;
                317              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I don’t understand why my efforts would be more worthwhile than yours.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Never give up.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you very much.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have gotten old, my friend.  Not a good thing to get but the alternative is much worse.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Best,  Terry&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-536867"><em>SouthernDragon @<br />
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<blockquote><p>I don’t understand why my efforts would be more worthwhile than yours.</p>
<p>Never give up.</p>
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<p>Thank you very much.</p>
<p>I have gotten old, my friend.  Not a good thing to get but the alternative is much worse.</p>
<p>Best,  Terry</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For Terry @ 315&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1967-1970.  Bounced between the Riverine Assault Force based at Dong Tam and the PCF’s at An Thoi on Phu Quoc.  RAF operations were mostly Army ops against NLF guerrillas and NVA regulars.  PCF ops mostly Phoenix missions.  Young, dumb and crazy, that’s why.  I knew JFK when I was a kid (I was born and raised in DC and lived not far from him and my stepdad owned a deli where he shopped) and met him a number of times after he became pres.  Thought he was the greatest.  History does show what fools we can be.    &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t understand why my efforts would be more worthwhile than yours.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Never give up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Terry @ 315</p>
<p>1967-1970.  Bounced between the Riverine Assault Force based at Dong Tam and the PCF’s at An Thoi on Phu Quoc.  RAF operations were mostly Army ops against NLF guerrillas and NVA regulars.  PCF ops mostly Phoenix missions.  Young, dumb and crazy, that’s why.  I knew JFK when I was a kid (I was born and raised in DC and lived not far from him and my stepdad owned a deli where he shopped) and met him a number of times after he became pres.  Thought he was the greatest.  History does show what fools we can be.    </p>
<p>I don’t understand why my efforts would be more worthwhile than yours.</p>
<p>Never give up.</p>
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		<title>By: Eureka Springs, AR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eureka Springs, AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;terry hallinan said-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;My wonder was at your endorsement of a statement of a vote for Chuck Hagel as opposed to “DLC neocon Obama,” who was equated with Hillary Clinton.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We live in the state that takes in Arkansas’ most toxic trash: - New York. Sorry.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Best, Terry &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Terry - Forgive me if I sounded like that at any time… I don’t support a vote for Hagel, ever. I don’t like Obamas tendency to favor DLC tactics, such as his recent speech to AIPAC etc. but I am trying to keep an open mind about Senator Obama (for cosideration later if my other favorites fall by the wayside). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for who will be able to win or not (Kucinich) well it’s early, nothing is decided and I intend to support the best in the running for the position. Its preprimary and up until that season has passed I don’t want to accept the MSM notion that whoever is in a “winnable” position must be the only people we should take seriously. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After all, that is how Clinton made it to NY..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>terry hallinan said-</p>
<blockquote><p>My wonder was at your endorsement of a statement of a vote for Chuck Hagel as opposed to “DLC neocon Obama,” who was equated with Hillary Clinton.</p>
<p>We live in the state that takes in Arkansas’ most toxic trash: &#8211; New York. Sorry.</p>
<p>Best, Terry </p>
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<p>Terry &#8211; Forgive me if I sounded like that at any time… I don’t support a vote for Hagel, ever. I don’t like Obamas tendency to favor DLC tactics, such as his recent speech to AIPAC etc. but I am trying to keep an open mind about Senator Obama (for cosideration later if my other favorites fall by the wayside). </p>
<p>As for who will be able to win or not (Kucinich) well it’s early, nothing is decided and I intend to support the best in the running for the position. Its preprimary and up until that season has passed I don’t want to accept the MSM notion that whoever is in a “winnable” position must be the only people we should take seriously. </p>
<p>After all, that is how Clinton made it to NY..</p>
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		<title>By: terry hallinan</title>
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		<dc:creator>terry hallinan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 17:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-536742&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;SouthernDragon @&lt;br /&gt;
                313              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;For sunny @ 302&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After almost 4 years in the Mekong Delta…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When?  Why?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was stationed in Saigon for two years in the late 50’s.  A JFK fan did more damage to me than a VC bomb had when I told him the nomination of Kennedy would lead to disaster.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for all you are doing. Sure hope your efforts are more worthwhile than mine.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Best,  Terry&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-536742"><em>SouthernDragon @<br />
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<blockquote><p>For sunny @ 302</p>
<p>After almost 4 years in the Mekong Delta…</p>
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<p>When?  Why?  </p>
<p>I was stationed in Saigon for two years in the late 50’s.  A JFK fan did more damage to me than a VC bomb had when I told him the nomination of Kennedy would lead to disaster.  </p>
<p>Thanks for all you are doing. Sure hope your efforts are more worthwhile than mine.</p>
<p>Best,  Terry</p>
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		<title>By: Jesus B. Ochoa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesus B. Ochoa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 17:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If we could kick the AIPAC the hell out of the country, perhaps Lieberman and his wife would follow, and Pelosi, yes, Pelosi, might at last come down to earth and do some real &lt;a href=&quot;http://ussliberty.org&quot;&gt;good. &lt;/a&gt; And please don’t raise that anti-Jewish red herring.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for lefty cussing, the poet said it best:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“‘There are moments,’ writes poet Charles Simic, ‘when true invective is called for, when it becomes an absolute necessity, out of a deep sense of justice, to denounce, mock, vituperate, lash out, in the strongest possible language. But however we act, we’d do well to treat ordinary citizens with respect.’”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;–quoted in “The argument culture,” Irish Times, December 17, 1998&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the hard right ain’t ordinary citizens, they’re beyond the pale, and they and their followers need to be dealt with accordingly, in the strongest possible terms.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we could kick the AIPAC the hell out of the country, perhaps Lieberman and his wife would follow, and Pelosi, yes, Pelosi, might at last come down to earth and do some real <a href="http://ussliberty.org">good. </a> And please don’t raise that anti-Jewish red herring.</p>
<p>As for lefty cussing, the poet said it best:</p>
<p>“‘There are moments,’ writes poet Charles Simic, ‘when true invective is called for, when it becomes an absolute necessity, out of a deep sense of justice, to denounce, mock, vituperate, lash out, in the strongest possible language. But however we act, we’d do well to treat ordinary citizens with respect.’”</p>
<p>–quoted in “The argument culture,” Irish Times, December 17, 1998</p>
<p>But the hard right ain’t ordinary citizens, they’re beyond the pale, and they and their followers need to be dealt with accordingly, in the strongest possible terms.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 17:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For sunny @ 302&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks.  I think that preaching to the choir doesn’t bring change to the masses.  I can debate the merits with any leftist around but I’d rather debate the merits with someone who holds an opposite view.  I went to schools where I was taught to think, not to believe.  After almost 4 years in the Mekong Delta the only thing I believed was that Charlie was gonna kill me if I wasn’t thinking.  After 6 years of neo-con rule I think that they can still win if we don’t fight them in the streets.  Every day, every non-violent way.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Butcher’s Bill as of 3 March 2007:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;3169  &lt;/b&gt; US Killed in Iraq&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For sunny @ 302</p>
<p>Thanks.  I think that preaching to the choir doesn’t bring change to the masses.  I can debate the merits with any leftist around but I’d rather debate the merits with someone who holds an opposite view.  I went to schools where I was taught to think, not to believe.  After almost 4 years in the Mekong Delta the only thing I believed was that Charlie was gonna kill me if I wasn’t thinking.  After 6 years of neo-con rule I think that they can still win if we don’t fight them in the streets.  Every day, every non-violent way.  </p>
<p>The Butcher’s Bill as of 3 March 2007:<br />
<b>3169  </b> US Killed in Iraq</p>
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		<title>By: terry hallinan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/02/fdl-late-nite-did-you-hear-the-one-about/#comment-536676</link>
		<dc:creator>terry hallinan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 16:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-536607&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Rayne @&lt;br /&gt;
                310              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-536485&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;David Scherrey @&lt;br /&gt;
                306              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;,,,I find outright racism and sexism to be obscene — did the statistics account for these forms of inappropriate social conduct?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s mighty fine but what is race?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is usually defined by popular prejudice and sociological claptrap.  I get a particular kick out of “mixed race” when we all are.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obviously those who think there is no way of easily distinguishing the general population of, say, Stockholm and Tokyo are blind as bats.  But the inhabitants of Stockholm may be distinguished from other Europeans  by their admixture of East Asian ancestry while royal lineage in Japan likely has a hefty dose of Indo-European ancestry.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Good to be against bad things.  But it might be helpful to know what those things are I think.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What do you think race has to do with cussing? [I note that you seemed to dismiss such a notion.]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think nothing at all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Best,  Terry&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-536607"><em>Rayne @<br />
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-536485"><em>David Scherrey @<br />
                306              </em></a></p>
<p>,,,I find outright racism and sexism to be obscene — did the statistics account for these forms of inappropriate social conduct?</p>
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<p>That’s mighty fine but what is race?</p>
<p>It is usually defined by popular prejudice and sociological claptrap.  I get a particular kick out of “mixed race” when we all are.</p>
<p>Obviously those who think there is no way of easily distinguishing the general population of, say, Stockholm and Tokyo are blind as bats.  But the inhabitants of Stockholm may be distinguished from other Europeans  by their admixture of East Asian ancestry while royal lineage in Japan likely has a hefty dose of Indo-European ancestry.</p>
<p>Good to be against bad things.  But it might be helpful to know what those things are I think.</p>
<p>What do you think race has to do with cussing? [I note that you seemed to dismiss such a notion.]</p>
<p>I think nothing at all.</p>
<p>Best,  Terry</p>
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		<title>By: LandOfTheFree</title>
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		<dc:creator>LandOfTheFree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 15:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lieberman has managed to get exactly what he’s wanted. He’s put himself into a position where people on both sides of the aisle drop to their knees &amp; give him BJs. All he has to do is threaten to vote with the Republicans or caucus with them, and he gets another carrot from the Democratic leadership. It just goes to show what a self-centered prick Lieberman is. He only cares about people making him feel important - using &amp; abusing power - instead of caring about representing his constituents by doing what is right for his country.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know this is late in the thread, but I just had to post this. I’ve never had a high level of contempt and disrespect for Lieberman until recently. I was disgusted that he did the C4L ploy, because that was the first sign than his ego was more important than the Democratic process and Democratic party. Ever since November, he’s been increasingly repulsive. I can’t believe I cast a vote for this disingenuous megolomaniac for Vice President.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.</p>
<p>Lieberman has managed to get exactly what he’s wanted. He’s put himself into a position where people on both sides of the aisle drop to their knees &amp; give him BJs. All he has to do is threaten to vote with the Republicans or caucus with them, and he gets another carrot from the Democratic leadership. It just goes to show what a self-centered prick Lieberman is. He only cares about people making him feel important &#8211; using &amp; abusing power &#8211; instead of caring about representing his constituents by doing what is right for his country.</p>
<p>I know this is late in the thread, but I just had to post this. I’ve never had a high level of contempt and disrespect for Lieberman until recently. I was disgusted that he did the C4L ploy, because that was the first sign than his ego was more important than the Democratic process and Democratic party. Ever since November, he’s been increasingly repulsive. I can’t believe I cast a vote for this disingenuous megolomaniac for Vice President.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 15:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-536485&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;David Scherrey @&lt;br /&gt;
                306              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is there a point you’re trying to make, beyond a recitation of statistics that may be questionable?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Personally I find outright racism and sexism to be obscene — did the statistics account for these forms of inappropriate social conduct?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-536485"><em>David Scherrey @<br />
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<p>Is there a point you’re trying to make, beyond a recitation of statistics that may be questionable?</p>
<p>Personally I find outright racism and sexism to be obscene — did the statistics account for these forms of inappropriate social conduct?</p>
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