
(Photo from Reuters via The Age.)
Note: Good morning. Marcy and Jane will be live blogging from the Libby trial courthouse as soon as things begin, probably around 9:30 a.m. EST. In the meantime . . .
In a recent post discussing only one week's worth of the Bush/Cheney regime's foreign policy disasters, I wrote this:
We are not going to resolve any of these issues as long as the Bush/Cheney Administration remains in power. That regime is too dishonest for us to trust their statements; too reckless for us to believe they will make wise choices; too radical to obey the law; and too incompetent for us to rely on their assessments, planning or implementation of any strategy, even if it were the correct one. The greatest problem we face is not on the list of last week's horrors. The problem is the radical regime of George Bush and Dick Cheney and the extremist zealots that advise them.
Just rhetorical excess from the left? Perhaps, but then why, as Christy's post on Tuesday reported, was the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, along with the independent General Accounting Office, warning Congress that the US military is so bogged down, badly equipped and overstretched by the Iraq quagmire that we do not have the ability to respond rapidly to any new, real threat to our national security? According to the report presented by General Pace:
Strained by the demands of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, there is a significant risk that the U.S. military won't be able to quickly and fully respond to yet another crisis, according to a new report to Congress.
You can read Christy's post and the linked articles for more details. But can anyone remember when the nation's highest military officer and Congress' independent watchdog both issued such damning indictments of any Administration's mismanagement of our national security? I sure can't. And that was just Tuesday.
On Wednesday, another independent commission reported that the condition of the National Guard was just as bad, which means that the National Guard we rely on to deal with domestic emergencies, such as hurricanes, floods, Western wildfires and so on may not be able to do their jobs if we have another serious catatrophe at home. From Thursday's Washington Post:
Nearly 90 percent of Army National Guard units in the United States are rated "not ready" — largely because of shortfalls in equipment worth billions of dollars — jeopardizing the Guard's ability to respond to crises at home and abroad, according to a congressional commission that released a preliminary report today on the state of U.S. military reserve forces. The commission found that heavy deployments of the National Guard and Reserves since 2001 for the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and other anti-terrorism missions have deepened shortages, forced the military to cobble together units and hurt recruiting. The problems threaten to undermine the nation's 830,000-strong selected reserves, the commission said.
"We can't sustain the [National Guard and Reserve] on the course we're on," said Arnold L. Punaro, chairman of the 13-member Commission on the National Guard and Reserves, established by Congress in 2005.
And one more story, this reported Thursday. It seems that back in 2002, the neocon zealots in the Bush White House were so convinced that anything President Clinton had done was wrong, and so anxious to pick a fight, that they recklessly misread intelligence regarding the North Korean's uranium enrichment capability and compliance with the agreement the Koreans signed with Clinton to suspend any work on enrichment that they — the White House zealots — unilaterally cancelled the agreement. That action got the IAEA inspectors — who had the prior North Korea efforts under inspection and seal — booted out of the country. With the inspectors gone, and facing a belligerent Bush/Cheney regime, the North Koreans then went on to develop a plutonium-based nuclear capability that led to the development of the bomb they exploded last fall. In other words, the Bush/Cheney regime's blundering belligerence created the conditions that led to North Korea's renewed efforts to develop nuclear weapons. As Josh Marshall put it today:
It's a screw-up that staggers the mind. And you don't even need to know this new information to know that. Even if the claims were and are true, it was always clear that the uranium program was far less advanced than the plutonium one, which would be ready to produce weapons soon after it was reopened. Now we learn the whole thing may have been a phantom. Like I said, it staggers the mind how badly this was bungled. In this decade there's been no stronger force for nuclear weapons proliferation than the dynamic duo of Dick Cheney and George W. Bush.
Is it any wonder that we have a Vice President who is hated abroad and the object of contempt and scorn at home, when he continues to make statement after statement that no one can believe?
So here is the national security report card on the Bush/Cheney Regime and its conservative/neocon supporters in the Republican Party (including Independent neocon Senator Joe Lieberman): America is bogged down in a horrific sectarian civil war in Iraq in which we cannot define the enemy or our soldiers' mission, with no end in sight. Because of the unnecessary war with Iraq, America is also bogged down in a nation-building exercise in Afghanistan and faced with a growing insurgency there fueled by a resurgent al Qaeda and Taliban on the Pakistan border. Our Army and Marines are so overextended, broken and depleted that they can't respond adequately to a serious new international threat, and our National Guard is so overextended and depleted that it might be unable to respond adequately to a serious domestic emergency. The Regime bungled the non-proliferation issue in North Korea, and its mismanagement of the Afghanistant/Pakistan connection means the Pakistani regime, possibly the world's most vulnerable nuclear power, is today more at risk from real terrorists than ever before.
In short, America is in a more vulnerable position than it has been in decades, in a more hostile, anti-American world than we've seen in decades, yet the people who caused that are still in charge and still making decisions that will likely make matters worse. We have a national security crisis on our hands, and we'd better recognize and deal with it quickly and intelligently before the next catastrophe happens.
So here's a message to the respected elders of the Republican Party: The Bush/Cheney regime is destroying the credibility of your party on the very issue that won you the White House. The regime is destroying the Army, the Marines, the National Guard. It has already stained the nation's honor and prestige, its influence in the world and thus undermined the security of our friends and allies throughout the Middle East. On possibly the most serious threat to our security, nuclear proliferation, the regime is recklessly incompetent. This regime has weakened America and they won't stop. You know these charges are true. You know what you need to do. Will you wait until they've destroyed your party? Your country?
I don't know how many grownups are left in the Republican Party. I don't know how much influence they have with a regime as radical, incompetent and dishonest as this one. But surely there must be some responsible Republicans in the Senate and House or former officials who realize the dangers the country faces and understand what a disaster the Bush/Cheney regime has created. If these grownup Republicans are wondering whether it's time for a delegation to visit the White House and deliver the message, "sir, it's time for your Administration to resign, for the good of the country and your party" the answer is, "Yes, it's time."
Related posts:
- Liz Cheney Warns Against “Walking Away” from Afghanistan, Apparently Forgetting that Dick Cheney Walked Away from Afghanistan
- Silvestre Reyes Announces Investigation into Violations of National Security Act
- How Dick Cheney Cowed Obama
- Republicans Furious Bush/Cheney Didn’t Win Nobel War Prize
- Electrocution Deaths: DOD IG Finds Multiple Failures by KBR, Military





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Fitz!
Fitz. Dana Priest & Anne Hull
Jane and Christy & Co
Scarecrow!
Zed?
Man, if I hadn’t taken the time to read the article, I could have been first!
Blackwell did everything he could to undercut Ohioans, and now this, from Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner’s recent letter to constituents:
“Upon taking office, we have been faced with 21 pending lawsuits against the former Secretary of State. In the first week of office, we discovered that former Secretary of State Blackwell had settled litigation relating to the 2004 Presidential election, agreeing to an order for attorney fees in the amount of $225,000. During our first week we were required to pay that sum out of our limited budget.”
The Repubilcan party has no grown-ups, from what I can see.
Some of the folks have “Fitz” on their speed dial!
Scarecrow,
AMEN
I thought Marcy went back to Michigan…?
Maybe this was discussed yesterday and I missed it. Keith Olbermann will interview Valerie Plame?? This will be the hottest ticket in town. http://www.kintera.org/site/apps/ka/r…..gPWKmI1KpK
Past time.
“topy” cop:
such hurricanes, floods, Western wildfires
should be: such as hurricanes….
Good morning everyone. Did anyone catch Imus with Lieberman?
PSA – Tornado Warning in Pamlico County, NC
Good morning gang. Cold, rainy day in MA. Would rather it snowed.
egregious @ 8
I’m not sure, but someone will be there at the courthouse and will be reporting about 9:30 EST.
Please, name names.
WHO are these screw-ups (aside from the two Grand Poo-bahs of Screw-ups pictured, of course).
I would really like to know specifics on who these creeps are.
Scarecrow: Nah gonna happen. But, of course, it should.
The state of the National Guard is a front page story in our hometown Fargo Forum today. The smoke and mirrors aren’t workin’ any more, Dubya.
Also, there’s one more facet to this whole Walter Reed Building 18 story. Besides not enough heads have yet rolled. How do you think it makes the heroic medical staff from the battlefield thru Reinsdorf back to in-patient at Walter Reed feel about how the government views their work when the warriors they bring back from the brink of death are tossed aside like yesterday’s scraps.
Impeachment’s almost too good for Bush and these bozos…they deserve unending scorn and contempt for eternity.
Bob and Lee Woodruff up next on Imus talking about his brain injury experience.
We need a couple dozen more Democrats to win in ‘08, the Congressinal cons still outweigh the pro’s, in spite of the last election.
Had a curious notion, reading about Condi taking on some critics as advisors;
http://letters.washingtonpost……30BA93CC0.
….Negraponte’s just been positioned to conveniently take over the reigns at the State Department, when Condi gets appointed as replacement VP for an “ailing” Dick Cheney?
Just a thought… Kinda scary, though, this “theory” suggests they have been planning Deadeye’s political demise or departure for quite a while.
And wouldn’t that giveBush a coup, first woman and first black VP, and he’s bringin down in one fell swoop, two taboo birds with one stone.
And I would guess it was Sir James Baker who patch4ed the plan together, Negraponte’s transition to his new post came on the heels of Baker’s latest futile clean-up campaign.
Jane S. @ 11
No me. But I did email yesterday asking Imus not to let himself be used like Chee-knee and Matalin used Russert.
Anybody else?
try that link again…
http://letters.washingtonpost……D30BA93CC0
Prairie Sunshine @ 11
Thanks. It’s fixed.CityGirl @ 16
The Democrats weren’t going to capture the Senate, either; but the public changed reality. I don’t believe the Republicans can tolerate this continuing.
another beauty, scarecrow.
sad to say, there’s also plenty of dems (especially in the senate) who need to hear this message – IMPEACH.
i just don’t see anyother way to stop them.
This post adds nuance to the term “reality-based community” because it makes it oh so obvious who is a member of that community and who is not. And sadly the non member group is probably the larger one because it includes all of the deniers and enablers. How did these dangerously crazy people get control of our government?
egregious at 8 — She did. Her flight goes out this morning.
Somehow, huge swaths of America, including Cheney and Bush, grew up with absolutely no idea of what constitutes “evidence” of anything.
Maybe it’s a failure of our educational system, where either opinion is masquerading as fact, or there isn’t any attempt in popular culture to assemble and analyze a complete set of facts.
Prairie Sunshine @ 19
A quick summary but Imus pleasantly surprised me.
Imus told Lieberman that someone who has supported this idiotic war (his exact words) had a special responsibility to make sure injured soldiers were getting proper care.
Lieberman responded to the question of what will be done to fix this by saying that the firing of this general was a good first step. Imus screamed that he was a scapegoat; he hadn’t been in charge for very long, the previous surgeon general had lied to the armed services committee and should be relieved of his command.
Before the interview, Imus complained about the standard politician response, “we’ll hold hearings” which was apparently McCain’s tact. Imus said that they should go to building 18 and see for themselves.
I know this guy has been horribly inconsistent but he is very passionate about this subject of our injured troops.
Grat Cartoons for Ya’ll!!!!!
Toles on McCain:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/….._main.html
Ben Sargent on Cheney:
http://www.uclick.com/client/wpc/bs/
Oliphant on Walter Reed:
http://www.uclick.com/client/wpc/po/
A shame that Scarecrow is not an editorial writer for the WaPo or the NY Times.
Well done, again.
Jane S. @ 26
It’s more like he is too consistent. He sticks with people no matter how ridiculous it seems. Lieberman, McCain, Santorum, Kerry. . .
From Eliot Cohen, Secretary Rice’s new counseler:
Oh my.
JEP @ 20
Jane S. & Prairie Sunshine -
EPU’d -
I listen to Imus infrequently (weak stomach, don’cha know *g*) but somewhere I got the idea that the I-head just luuuuuuuvvvvvved Liarman. Only reason I’ve been keeping an ear on him lately is b/c his rants re. W.R. are such a drastic MSM change; plus he’s also been gagging on the Anna N. debacle…….guess everyone *does* have some positive points.
Good Morning Scarecrow and Firedogs,
that about covers it Scarecrow – for this week ! sheesh
loosely related topics -
this reporter (per Olberman) has been on the Walter Reed story for quite awhile – believe they are the same folks who have been out in front on Stop Loss games, budget cuts to brain injury programs, under reporting of sexual assaults in country, overcrowding at Landstuhl, etc.
Army Times
and along those lines -
raven posted a NYT graphic of Libbygate downstairs and I must say my first thought was of just how much of that was Emptywheel’s work
put down the friggin’ cocktail weenies and get to work bastids !
jeffreyw @ 28
Ah, but I get to post at Firedoglake, and they don’t.
Raven #29, I really dont’ watch Imus. I’ve tuned in b/c he had Libby trial people on and this morning, I tuned in to see Bob Woodruff.
But I will credit him with this. I’ve heard no other person in the MSM confront him with words like “your support for this idiotic war”. The funny thing was Liberman kept answering with the pronoun “we”. Me thinks he wants to hide behind his little friends Bush and Cheney and Karl. Good luck with that Joe.
May take some of the suspense from the day.
link
Another awesome, cogent, evocative and well argued post from Scarecrow. Thanks! As for the grownups, I heard John Dean speak a little while ago. He noted that the Republican party has become so radicalized that he is something of a center left Democrat these days.
cbl @ 32
From the Army Times piece
“It’s very frustrating,” he said. “It makes me very angry to see another generation coming through with the same fight we thought we had won.”
Kerry referred to the work veterans did after Vietnam to make sure soldiers were cared for physically and mentally.
And why am I a cynic?
Well it’s a start folks,
Judiciary Subcommittee Issues Subpoenas for Hearing on Case of Fired U.S. Attorneys
http://www.speaker.gov/blog/?p=77
I’m glad we have the majority. Had it not been for our efforts to change the power structure in DC, the above would’ve happended.
We can’t wait another 2 years for Bush/Cheney to make things worse! The overabundance of coverage of the 2008 election is a distraction.
WE NEED TO GET IMPEACHMENT BACK ON THE TABLE!!!!!
Scarecrow is exactly right. These guys aren’t just going to stop being crappy leaders on their own. They need to BE stopped.
Not really OT- Col. (ret) Pat Lang’s take on the firing of general in charge of Walter Reed:
“Ok. That’s one!”
http://turcopolier.typepad.com…..an_re.html
Fabulous post, Scarecrow. I, too, pray for Democrats and sane Republicans (if there are any left) to grow the courage to impeach our criminal regime, but in my heart, I doubt it will ever happen. And I wonder about the consequences of that, not just the consequences of their crimes and mistakes. In other words, if we don’t throw THESE bastards out, after their litany of high crimes and misdemeanors, what becomes the standard for throwing anybody out? In effect, BushCo is taking “impeachment off the table” forever — and that means another, worse dictatorship very soon!
Jane S. @ 34
I realize he is not everyone’s cup of tea and I should resist speaking up for him too much, specially here on FDL.
GeorgeSimian –
We can’t wait another 2 years for Bush/Cheney to make things worse! The overabundance of coverage of the 2008 election is a distraction.
Yep. there’s a post waiting to be written. I’m so sick of all the posturing, and coverage of the posturing, and the posturing over the coverage, and . . .
Seconded.
Scarecrow, you want snow? Have I got a deal for you. Minnesota has a brand new foot and a half of it. Yours for the taking!!
In short, America is in a more vulnerable position than it has been in decades,
I guess, strictly speaking, this might be true. There was very little risk from the Soviet arsenal by about the early 70s. But the US is really not vulnerable in any serious way, and, frankly, this kind of talk feeds republican fearmongering.
The only vulnerability the US really faces is economic and political. The growth in inequity is threatening our social fabric. In the past, our institutions have been resilient enough to make reforms in response to growing inequity. It’s clear that public opinion has turned a corner on this question. For example, in today’s NYT, a survey shows widespread support for universal health care.
What’s worrisome is that our Democratic elected officials, even in the majority, are not reflecting their constituents’ views, on health care, on drug policy, on the war, on transparency, and on campaign finance and on and on.
But we do not have anything to worry about in foreign affairs, except for threats trumped up by the military-industrial complex.
I attended a talk by Wesley Clark earlier this week. He pointed out that in order to keep the military industrial complex going there has to be an enemy, to justify obtaining the weapons and maintaining the armed forces levels. He said that the trouble with this is that when you start making plans to respond to an enemy threat, you are much more likely to act on those plans.
The US military is now funded at a level that makes no sense at all given the threat level in the world today. Having that force in place made the Iraq war possible, as it turns out, barely possible.
WWII ended in 1945. We have never demobilized since then. Now’s the time.
Scarecrow @ 44
You’re such a tease.
just saw this on Just one minute comment section
FROM WIKIPEDIA:
“Bush Disillusionment Syndrome (sometimes referred to as BDS) Reflects inability of Bush supporters to recognize failure and/or accountabilty measures as a result of monumental incompetence from Republican Revolution (America’s Contract) and Bush 2000 and 2004 Administration Gaffes.[1] In neurological terms, BDS is currently considered to be a persistent and chronic syndrome for which no medical cure is available. BDS is believed to affect between 28-36% of the United States population, including both children and adults.[2]
Within society, there is disagreement if a diagnosis denotes a genuine impairment/disability or simply serves as a label for different but normal behaviour[citation needed]. Some believe that the disorder does not exist or that it need not be treated.”
…maybe this explains why some people refuse to admit that Scooter Libby is lying. As if their vocal support disproves his lack of (re: Libby and Cheney not to testify) 2008 will be worse than 2006. BDS will drop to 20-26%…(ouch)
dalloway –
In effect, BushCo is taking “impeachment off the table” forever — and that means another, worse dictatorship very soon!
As I see it, public officers should be impeached for a lot less than the crimes of this regime. My fear is not so much a worse regime as having a succession of “better” ones that were still awful. The tool needs to be used, wisely, to discourage that.
raven @ 42
I just looked up Imus on wiki to see if he was a soldier (marine 1957-59–I guess he served in Korea although it doesn’t say that). But I made the mistake of reading Imus controversies-I think that I may throw up now. But again, he has got a lot of listeners and he made Lieberman hear the words “your support for this idiotic war”. I’ll take it even if it makes me vomit.
Barbara @ 46
Thanks for the offer. If I didn’t have to go to an airport, be abused by the airlines and sit in a cattle car flight without even peanuts anymore, I’d be tempted. I’ve never known an industry that treats its customers as badly.
GeorgeSimian @
39
Ding!
AZ Matt -
Thanks for the great cartoons! I’m a political ‘toon junkie; have dozens of artists bookmarked…….it always amazes me how much can be *said* with only a few strokes of a pen.
What exactly (step by step) needs to happen to launch a viable impeachment process? It is time. It is beyond time.
The principal problem is that impeachment proceedings or no, the gruesome twosome is still “in charge.” Is there no provision for “disempowering” them in the meantime? My ignorance about this is vast.
Read somewhere (possibly here at FDL) that the only thing more dangerous than Dick Cheney is Dick Cheney cornered (as in feral animal). This about the VPOUS. What’s wrong with this picture???
Can anyone give me a reason why we are not impeaching bush?
It would be so easy now for Democrats to really really get conservatives to go crazy with Bush Fear and loathing if we started agitating about the Mexican border and the 0 accomplishments of the administration there.
Has anyone else noticed that THAT seems to be where their concern is, because it effects them here at home, where the Iraq war is on TV?
scarecrow,
I agree with all of the sentiments you stated. My question is this, what exactly is the Repug. party these days? Who would dare to go to shrub and darth? Daddy tried sending his consigliere and that didn’t work. The Hammer is heading to the slammer. Grover will be too. The theocrats are falling apart because they don’t have a puppet to play with.
I don’t see it happening.
The only way out is impeachment. Start with Abu. Next week should show that he lied to congress. That’s a start. From there to Darth once hopefully a guilty verdict comes in for scooter and Fitz shows some more of his cards.
If Darth comes down, then they all do.
And yet, there is the issue of the cornered cats/wolves/whatever. They could do a lot more damage than we have even imagined.
Oh, and as for the readiness of the Guard, Kos wrote about the series of earthquakes they have been having in SF.
Oy doesn’t even begin to go there.
Please don’t ignore the wild national security talents of Benito Guiliani who, against all advice and common sense, insisted on putting the NYC emergency response coordination center in the World Trade Center -which had already been bombed. We may only be at the beginning of the Era of National Security Bozos.
Scarecrow @ 51
Unfortunately, the healthcare system can rival the airlines any day of the week.
The neocons break everything they get their hands on.
Why?
“WWII ended in 1945. We have never demobilized since then. Now’s the time.”
Ditto on that one, it’s about time for a real “peace dividend.” If we spent a fraction of that military money on alternative fuels, we wouldn’t need blood-fro-oil wars in the first place.
And universal health care might just be a great place for some of it, too. There’s so much you can do with a trillion dollars a year, instead of spending it to create fear and loathing towards the U.S. on an unprecedented scale.
OT but not at all — This country has a chance if we can make sure every vote is counted properly. Otherwise, we will be permanently screwed in 2008 and it will require force to fix it, which is a horror too great to think about for long.
Brad Friedman points out the fatal flaw in Rush Holt (D-NJ)’s Election Reform bill plan. In the proposed Bill HR 811 the actual ballot (the legal document) is the machine count, the receipt is a paper trail only and used for reference/recount, etc. So it’s not even used except in case of disagreement, and even then the paper trail does not necessarily rule. Here, let Brad explain it. BTW, that’s at AlterNet not BradBlog so it won’t hurt your eyes.
Check this out and please contact your congress people. Fair elections and an unbiased press are the tools of democracy. We are getting our information in spite of the press, but that won’t matter if our votes aren’t counted.
” ITS CALLED TREASON “
City of New Orleans and thousands of Residents Join Class action against the Army Corps of Engineers.
I just looked up Imus on wiki to see if he was a soldier (marine 1957-59–I guess he served in Korea although it doesn’t say that). But I made the mistake of reading Imus controversies-I think that I may throw up now. But again, he has got a lot of listeners and he made Lieberman hear the words “your support for this idiotic war”. I’ll take it even if it makes me vomit.
He was a bugler in the USMC and he pokes fun at himself all of the time for that. He never left the states.
Scarecrow @21, I hope you are right. In fact, it’s stunning that what you describe hasn’t happened already, if only out of self preservation. But the Repubs fall in line when push comes to shove (Arlen, Hagel, “wise” Repub leadership of the ISG after issuing report, etc., etc.), and I am not expecting anything to change any time soon. To me, that’s why the “right” Plame verdict is so crucial–it begins to hold them accountable when no one else seems to be have the courage.
Diane @ 55
Two reasons:
– Lack of a veto-proof majority or supermajority in either house of Congress;
– agitating against non-whites by fomenting anger about immigration is anti-democratic and anti-Democratic, against our fundamental ethic as Americans to betray the reason for the Lady in the Harbor lifting her lamp above the golden door.
melfeasance @ 59
You break it, you own it!
raven @ 41
No secret that I’m a regular Imus watcher, not because he hits it right all the time, but precisely because he steps outside the box. He engages. He seeks out information. And the msm and political establishment know he’s an influencer. Love him or hate him, he’s a barometer of what’s going on.
And MSNBC will be INSANE if they don’t put up a videoclip of his entire conversation this morning with Bob and Lee Woodruff. This is what stops wars, folks. The shining light of truth and honor and dignity cuts through all the fog and spin in a heartbeat.
Only slightly off-topic: Just read on DU that KO is going to be interviewing Valerie.
DU link: http://www.democraticundergrou…..215;320359
On behalf of People For the American Way and Political Clout Productions, we are proud to invite you to be present for an historic first, as an extraordinary public servant, Valerie Plame, is interviewed by a champion of the First Amendment, Keith Olbermann, host of MSNBC’s “Countdown.”
On Saturday, March 17 at 7:00 p.m. at the Tishman Auditorium, 66 West 12th St. in New York City, Valerie Plame will make the first public appearance since the beginning of the Scooter Libby trial to discuss her life, her career, and the personal battle she and her husband, Ambassador Joseph Wilson are fighting against the most powerful officials in the nation. It is a battle they are waging largely alone, a battle the Congress of the United States would not join, a battle that the news media shied away from, a battle few have the courage to fight.
It’s appropriate that her first public interview will be conducted by Keith Olbermann, a journalist who himself has demonstrated great courage and a profound sense of public duty. The MSNBC Countdown host challenged the abuses of power as few others did when a single party controlled the White House and Congress. In his “Special Comments,” Olbermann has had the courage to speak truth to power.
It should be a remarkable evening as these two defenders of the First Amendment sit down together in the Tishman Auditorium on March 17 at 7:00 p.m. The Tishman is a small auditorium and tickets are limited. This private invitation is being sent to PFAW supporters before we offer seats to the general public.
There are no grownups left in the Republican Party. There are only Bush toadies feeding at the plunder tables.
raven @ 64
Um, Lieberman wouldn’t be in office right now to support this idiotic war if it weren’t for *ssholes like Imus who provided support for that idiot during last year’s primary and election.
My contempt for Imus knows no bounds — ill-bred hypocrite that he is.
raven @ 64
He was a bugler in the USMC and he pokes fun at himself all of the time for that. He never left the states.
Well at least he cares about the guys who do end up at war unlike a certain former member of the National Guard and his crew of men who sought and obtained deferrments.
Millineryman @
38
“The subpoenas will be issued this evening for the U.S. Attorneys to appear before the subcommittee on Tuesday, March 6, at 2:00 pm in Room 2141 of the Rayburn House Office Building.”
Well, if the deliberations continue, there might be a nice time killer for 2pm. BTW, the Prettyman is a stone’s throw from the Capitol.
It’s no use trying to reason with Republican zealots. But the reasonable people we elected last fall are another story. Those are the people we need to direct this message to. They have got to get over their fear of the right wing smear machine and do the right thing even if all it does is make Republican zealots look as unhinged as they truly are.
RevDeb @ 56
RevDeb, very well said.
THEY MORPHED A LEGITIMATE “WAR ON TERROR” INTO A “WAR FOR OIL.” “Executive Oil”
WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!
JEP @ 67
We’re talking about the most powerful people in the world. They already own it. Why would they destroy it?
I usually don’t get this far up in the comments, Got my EPU tee to show.
What is being disclosed is disturbing. What may be happening might be worth the look in. With a military budget as large as it is, it wouldn’t be hard to hide. With reports that recruitment into the military at record level lows and standards being waived to admit hither-to-fore “undesirables” into the regular forces, what happens in event of issuing an order for martial law in the US. Remaining National Guard are under-financed and ill equiped to resist such a takeover, the bulk of the NG are out of the country as are the primary “first strike units – marines, army assault units, etc. And yet few of the regular military are being used. Why does it seem ominous that the bulk of the regular military is not being deployed? What other force would there be to counter a military coup or a political imposition of martial law, left in the country. Be aware such things have happened in other paces, there is not any guarantee that some variation cannot happen. Not in America, is no guarantee of anything these Republican Fascists will not resort to to obtain and maintain power. Will it signal the end of the Republic American and the start of the Empire American? Just watch the backside whatever.
Again I am seeing a patern emerge, defund a program, claim it doesn’t work, privatize; expose effective normal intel gathering, create alternative favorable “propagnda” and substitute to accomplish the hoodwinking of the country to approve a hidden agenda the same way the Chicago School of Economica and all the AEI, Heritage, etc. were set up and funded to provide “intellectual cover” for the dismemberment and distruction of the New Deal, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights by “patriot amurikans(I like that designation – sorry)”, wrapped in their flags and prayers. And the examles just keep on acommin’. Look to news sources outside the MSM for alternative informatiion. BBC, Guardian, Irish Times, are all decent informed sources, be carefull of the Times(GB) as it is a Rupert Murdock owned and controlled dis-information machine. Rant over.
melfeasance @ 77
They do what they do for the graft they gain.
raven @ 42
Raven, if it’s true, say it.
Why the uproar when Obama and McCain say soldiers lives were wasted in Iraq?Iraq had no WMD’s,no Al Qaeda connection.Bush has weakened the military,devastated the Guard and Reserve,turned the world’s opinion against us and emboldened those who seek to do us harm.Bush’s actions in Iraq has been a huge recruiting tool for terrorists worldwide.All the dead and wounded from Iraq,including the Iraqi’s,their lives have been wasted and the blood from all is on Bush’s hands.
I guess the fact that there is so much coverage of the 2008 candidates is that no one can wait for Bush/Cheney to get out of office, and this seems like the only option because the Dems took impeachment “off the table”. There was a good oped in the NYT a couple weeks ago that touched on the process that SHOULD have happened, but didn’t with the NSA wiretapping crime, which, I guess, is the clearest case of law breaking committed by Bush et al. Here’s the link, but you need to register to read it….
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/…..94DF404482
Rayne;
I’shocked, I tell you, SHOCKED, that someone as intelligent and reasonable as you might be put off by Imus!!!
Was Imus against the war before it happened? Anyone remember?
Careful with that “ill-bred” stuff, though, kinda goes to the “so’s your momma” school of debate and the “who’s your daddy” school of uncertainty.
Are you suggesting his parents were somehow related BEFORE they got hitched?
LOL
selise @
22
There was a recent thread on Bush’s crimes, but IMHO the charges get too detailed and specific for the non-legal mind. I suggest impeaching him for “criminal negligence.” There are myriad instances.
#71-Rayne, I’m assuming Connecticut has no “recall” options for its voters like California. I feel very unsatisfied just saying “I told you so” to Lieberman supporters. My mother-in-law, a life long Democrat, took the Cokie Roberts approach to Lieberman telling me what a good man he was during the primary. And then she was horrified when he ran as an independent. But “I told you so” just isn’t working for me.
An old friend argued the other day that Bush should not be impeached over policy disagreements. He said that he was elected, and then elected again, and that elections were the way these matters should be addressed.
I said that I agreed in principle, but that the High Crimes provision in the Constitution was referring to just that, and were the basis of my argument that impeachment was not only proper, but necessary.
“What crimes are you talking about”, he asked.
The next portion of our chat was conducted at a much higher decibel level.
Noticing that I was frightening the dogs, I switched to the Libbey trial, and was happy that he had heard some coverage. We traded impressions of Wells’s close, and the opening of Pat’s rebuttal. I asked him if he had read the transcript and he replied that CBS coverage was plenty, for him. Our chat ended with him puzzled as to why I was laughing so hard, as if he had said something really funny.
This fellow is intelligent, literate, curious, and a Democrat.
I have more work to do.
James Joyce — there was never a legitimate “War on Terror”. We’ll have to agree to disagree on that point. Virtually everything this administration has done has been illegal in some fashion.
Replace the chair of the FDA? Sure…but he’ll have conflict of interest he won’t declare.
Replace the USA’s? Sure…but only because they are too competent at what they do and are getting in the way of illegal activities.
Respond to natural disaster? Sure…but only with contracts to cronies, and without actually aiding any entity except gambling institutions and political operatives.
Really, can you think of a thing they’d done that was straight up, above board, fully transparent and legal?
Jane S. @ 84
Senate is a federal office. There is no recall procedure for any senator in any state. CA recalled it’s Governor.
CT blew it big time. So are any of the CT papers doing mea culpas? I doubt it.
US Army denies ‘gag orders,’ but says patients can ‘go to Starbucks’ to talk to media
Think Progress
Can you say Sociopathy ????
Chimpy -
link
Attaturk
I knew ya could
George Lakoff just wrote an article about the failure/inability/reluctance to say the words “nuclear war,” which is where we seem to be headed. Say the words, says he. NUCLEAR WAR. NUCLEAR WAR. NUCLEAR WAR.
The unspoken thing I’m (therefore) not hearing is that the American people are powerless over the next two years to stop this insanity, i.e., pretty much everything said and done by Darth and Junior. With Dem reps/senators dithering and blathering and fighting amongst themselves, who is the go-to person(s) to MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN??
Sorry. Flaming a lot. It’s how I’m feeling. Not cynical. Furious.
Is anyone looking after Jane today? Amazing woman, but she might need some help carrying that pile of “Anatomy of Deceit” into the courthouse.
Jane, I wish I could be there.
Jane S. @ 85
Unfortunately, there is no known recall process that I’m aware of for Senators or Representatives. Somebody please enlighten me if there is; I just don’t see it in the Constitution.
I’ve got wingers for parents, vote Republican, wish I had words of advice for you, Jane S. Unfortunately they wonder how I ever ended up so liberal, not realizing they were the first reasons I can cite. [sigh]
Arnie @ 78
Sorry not quite just over afterall: The time is here now, The Congress is either a part of the solution or a part of the problem THAT WILL BE FIXED!!! Thanks again…..
Rayne @ 88
no
JEP @ 83
I don’t blame his parents. I picture animal tranquilizers and a turkey baster in his background.
Back in December of 2000 when our president was newly appointed, Lawrence Eagleburger was on The News Hour talking up the impressive competence of Bush’s incoming foreign policy team. I doubted him then, as I’m sure most FDLers did, but it is nice to know that clip is out there waiting to be used and reused over the next twenty years by Democrats in ads reminding Americans of Republican arrogance and bluster that ensured the coming hundred years will not be a second American century.
Deb –
And yet, there is the issue of the cornered cats/wolves/whatever. They could do a lot more damage than we have even imagined.
We can’t let this concern stop us from acting. The logic is paralyzing. Turn the logic around. The reason they need to be taken down is precisely because they are prone to extreme, radical and dangerous actions. We can’t allow ourselves to be intimidated by this.
Good Morning…
Scarecrow dear, I cut and pasted some of your essay to Peter friggin’ King, my unesteemed rep. I expect that I will receive some nasty reply (he’s famous for “who cares what you think” responses.) Should I forward it when it comes?
Lindy.
egregious is at the courthouse today with Jane
And in other news, here comes A Movie
http://www.variety.com/article…..3&cs=1
Rayne @ 92
I was blessed to be raised by liberals and I have a 70 year old blogger Mom. She occasionally depresses me though by saying how much worse this is than anything she has seen in her life.
I hear egr might be at the courthouse today.
SharonRB at 69–Bet when the Wilsons booked that March 17th appearance with Keith they figured it was a sure bet there would be a verdict by then. Now it looks like the time when the jurors may just be asking for their 10th easel-size Post-It note pad. ;)
I’ve posted here, on “The Fix” and on John Conyers’ and Harry Reid’s blogs, for a long, long time now, that Cheney should be the target of the first impeachment, not just to assure he never sits in the throneroom, but also because it uncovers usch a multitude of sins.
Cheney could be investigated, indicted and probably impeached simplyfor the conspiracy he committed behind closed doors when he cobbled together his “Energy Industry Task Force.”
Add to that the lies about WMD, and the outing of Valerie Plame, and we have MORE than enough to set the wheels in motion.
A Cheney impeachment would bring these and a lot more high crimes and misdemeanors under one big, comprehensive umbrella.
I do not suggest this in order to protect W from his own come-uppins, but impeaching Bush before Cheney accomplishes exactly what the neocons established as their “protection pecking order.”
Cheney’s being protected from scrutiny, even more than Bush, which suggests to me he is that much more guilty.
IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST!
melfeasance @ 59
cbl @ 99
That’s the best news I’ve seen so far on this bitter cold morning – is Pach going to live blog from the courthouse?
Jane S. @ 101
You have my envy, if it’s any consolation.
Both my parents are college grads in jobs that require analytical thought processing, yet they are willing to accept the pablum they see on television and in their email as fact.
I blame Weather Channel. For my dad, Weather Channel is gospel; if it’s on a cable channel anywhere near Weather Channel, surely it’s got to be the truth, right?
Gah.
If it’s the graft of political corruption . . . why are they so short-sighted?
Rayne @ 66
OK. I get that an impeachment is like an indictment, and that you don’t hand down an indictment until you have enough evidence to convict. So, can’t there be a big investigation to get that evidence? Henry Waxman is now issuing subpoenas to 4 of the 8 USA’s who were fired, and these are the *first* subpoenas issued by the 110th Congress.
We elected them for *lots* of subpoenas, and I want to know where they are. Subpoena the whole administration and investigate the hell out of them. Every single committee should be issuing subpoenas. If it ‘bogs the government down’ that cannot be a bad thing IMO.
PS Rayne, is your second point a joke? Whatever, I don’t get it. Maybe need coffee.
EPU’d – Rayne’s ? about the Tombo pen… I’m in NYC and have found pens and replacement cartridges @ Pearl Paint. My first one I got @ Wet Paint in St. Paul, MN. I’m sure you can order them online.
I hope Warner Bros. does a great job on the movie and that the Wilsons make huge, big money and that they cast it beautifully and that it’s a blockbuster and everybody all round the country goes to see it!
Then I hope they’ll understand finally what treason this administration committed in this case.
JEP @ 104
Man, do I have a ‘tude going on this morning or what?
Have to disagree with you on that one. Abu G. must go first.
If Abu is out of the way, then the remaining good guys in USDOJ who’ve not been dismissed are not going to be politically pressured to be mum. If Abu is out of the way, DOJ can begin to do a thorough investigation into Cheney, supporting Fitzgerald with more resources.
And then we’d have not only enough material to impeach Cheney, but to prosecute his flabby white thieving *ss.
Rayne @ 106
My mother in law, who lives in the DC area, reads the Washington Post every morning but I mentioned Murray Waas and she said, “Who’s that?” and I realized that she had no idea what was going on in the world because she reads that one dead tree edition. Thankfully, Froomkin now appears in the dead tree edition, albeit, a day old Froomkin. I told her that she must read his column.
The more corruption that is exposed at all levels of this administration, the stronger the hand we have as a majority. We need more votes in the Senate. With an abundance of evidence inhand, the harder it will be for those on the fence to deny.
I want strong decisive action. I also want it to stick like cement and sink these people forever.
annabanana @ 98
Always interested in “feedback.” But maybe the spam filters will catch it?
“GULF OF TONKIN FABRICATION”
“LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL”
“WATERGATE,”
“IRAN/CONTRA,” AND,
“LEWINSKIBAITE,”
THESE AFOREMENTIONED BLEMISHES ON THE OVAL OFFICE AND VIOLATIONS OF “LAW” IN AGGREGATE WOULD APPEAR AS A “KNAT” ON A BULL’S ARSE.
THE BLEMISH ON THE OVAL OFFICE AND VIOLATIONS OF “LAW” COMMITTED BY THE CURRENT OCCUPANTS HAVE OBLITERATE THE ENTIRE BULL….NEVER MIND HIS ARSE!!!!!!!”
I need education here. I don’t know enough about this whole subject of removal of a Senator. We’ve seen various issues brought up.
Lieberman and the absence of recall.
Domenici’s name now being tossed out wrt the USA firings. [I can hear it now, everybody does it…yadda yadda….]
Could some percentage of the CT voters/populace for example petition the US Senate to take up the removal of Lieberman?
Would investigation into Domenici’s alleged involvement lead to removal?
I can see the can of worms, yes, but is there no way to address the issue of removal of a Senator? New amendment anyone?
JEP @ 104
Agreed. As I’ve said before, the last thing we need is a dying, pissed off sadist with bad aim with his fingers on the nukes.
I scare myself.
Rayne @ 112
good point!
One thought that I had on Lieberman–which is based on NO understanding of the law–is that if he switches sides, he basically commited fraud with his constituents because he told them he would vote with the Democrats.
I believe Marcy may have A NEW THREAD upstairs.
o/t from Variety.com
http://www.variety.com/index.a…..egoryid=13
Plame film in works at Warner Bros.
Studio sets movie about CIA leak scandal
By MICHAEL FLEMINGWarner Bros. is developing a feature on the lives of Valerie Plame and Ambassador Joseph Wilson, the married couple drawn into a D.C. firestorm.
Plame’s status as a CIA agent was revealed by White House officials allegedly out to discredit her husband after he wrote a 2003 New York Times op-ed piece saying that the Bush administration had manipulated intelligence about weapons of mass destruction to justify the invasion of Iraq.
The film is a co-production between Weed Road’s Akiva Goldsman and Jerry and Janet Zucker of Zucker Productions.
Jez and John Butterworth are writing the screenplay.
WB has secured the life rights of Plame and Wilson. Studio also will use Plame’s memoir, “Fair Game,” if the CIA permits her to publish it. Plame made a reported publishing deal in the $2.5 million range last year, and Simon & Schuster is expected to publish late this year. While it would be ironic for Plame’s story to be illegally leaked by the White House, only to have another government branch deny her the right to tell it herself, the CIA has the latitude to silence Plame
…and I find it hard to imagine that Hillary will be any different. A Bush Clinton Bush Clinton pattern for 24 years will firmly establish the US as a banana republic.
More evidence of a new fix being in for HRC in the polling coverage:
Wait so “even after his recent star turn” Gore is at 31%, but the poll was taken beforehand?? Thankfully that pesky problem with the unidirectionality of time has been corrected.
HotFlash –
Impeachment is a political solution, not a prosecution. Cannot be effected until there’s a solid majority in both houses, and unfortunately there are still too many party-firsters in Republican ranks that wouldn’t vote for impeachment even if you caught Bush or Cheney on film with a dead girl, a live boy and a half-eaten baby.
We might actually have a better chance with indictments, but we have to have a DOJ that is not obstructed by political appointees. (Hence my call for Abu G.’s impeachment first.)
And no, not a joke. I do not believe that progressives of any stripe should try to stir up anger against immigrants (legal or otherwise, some folks will not distinguish the difference). It’s not moral, not to mention that such an effort would cause enormous blowback.
The Lady reference is The New Colossus.
Fully support indictment of AG as first step. Much more likely to receive necessary repub votes, and will get the procedural and evidential (evidentiary? IANAL) ball rolling for Cheney, then Bush.
MasonMcD @ 25
Amen.
As a public school teacher in a terrific school, I got to teach AP Lit and Composition students. Sadly, they were the only ones throroughly schooled in critical, analytical thinking and close reading. Yes, we were [gasp!] teaching to the test. Fortunately it’s a mother of a test.
CityGirl @ 103
LOL — I sure hope they’re done by then! I can’t stand another two weeks of this. I just hope they wait until next Wednesday, as I’m out of pocket Monday and Tuesday for the most part.
Jane S. @
119
And?…
He didn’t get elected for the sake of his constituents. He got elected due to his penchant for the free bagels at the Meet The Press green room on Sundays.
Prairie at 116–
I believe the impeachment process for a US Senator is the same as for Pres or VP but it’s only been tried once (and failed because the Senate expelled the Senator before trying the case) and the issue of whther the House can impeach a Congress member is still not clear. Each body of Congress can expel its own member, however. Per Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I…..ted_States
Jane S.,
If a politician reneging on a commitment was a criminal act, congress would be full of felons. I’d encourage all of you who are frustrated by the inability of voters to recall their elected representatives to think of all the times in our history when a congressman or senator has taken a courageous, unpopular stand on principle. Think of the ‘immortal fourteen’ who stood tall against the Mexican War and the expansion of slavery. Do we really want congressmen never to take such stands just because the occasional congressman takes a stand we deem unconscionable?
As we saw in California, recall processes are subject to abuse. Gray Davis never should have been recalled – that election hinged largely on the amount of money corporate interests were able to pour into the race.
But here’s the real clincher. We already face a situation in which congressman and senators start running for reelection, stockpiling donations, and posturing for voters almost the moment they are first elected. In the last six months before an election, absolutely nothing meaningful happens in congress – just a bunch of legislation designed by each party to force votes that will embarass the other side. I’d suggest that recall elections might well achieve total gridlock – an orgy of destructive campaigns, in which any congressman elected from a battleground district would face a never-ending wave of recall petitions. And for those who would say that Lieberman is different, that you’d never do this to a more reasonable representative – do you really expect the GOP to exercise similar restraint?
We don’t live in a direct democracy, we live in a republic, built upon the foundation of representative elections. It’s a system that has its flaws, and we certainly have to remain vigilant to curb abuses. But a wide-open recall process effectively forces our representatives to govern not by reasoned consideration, but by public opinion poll – and that’s not an outcome that I particularly favor. If Lieberman is the price I have to pay for my republic, so be it.
Scarecrow @ 96
Agreed. Time to start SOMETHING.
melfeasance @
107
How much common sense do you think they have?
Rayne @ 110
By Abu G. you mean Gonzales (duh!), and I agree wholeheartedly.
Whatever pancreatic bug it was that drove Abu’s predecessor out of office and into intensive care might still be lurking around the AG’s office, maybe we’ll all get “lucky” and there will be another divine intervention.
Hard to say who was worse, the crooner or the goon, but I think history will judge Abu as much more deviously destructive than Ashcroft.
Scarecrow
Thank you.
Scarecrow@49–
Of course, that’s what I meant… thanks for clarifying my thinking, as you all do so well.
Prairie Sunshine @ 116
Impeachment
Rayne @ 92
Impeachment.
The first official ever impeached was a senator from TN.
Jane S.@112
What edition of the ComPost do you &/or your mother-in-law get? Froomkin’s not in the District edition.
Thanks –
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 131
For these political/corporate powers to gain control of the entire planet they must have a lot of something – common sense, brains, inside intelligence. So why would they destroy it?
melfeasance at 138 etc.
A lot of thoughtful people have considered this question and have come up with some explanations. Read Bob Altemeyer’s The Authoritarians on line. He’s Associate Professor of Psychology at the University of Manitoba and a specialist in authoritarian behaviour.
Then John Dean’s “Conservatives Without Conscience”,(click through to Amazon and FDL gets a few pennies) deals specifically with the authoritarian/neocon connection.
Then any of Sara Robinson’s fine posts at Orcinus, I’d recommend starting with her Cracks in the Wall series. She was raised in an authoritarian home situation and has a unique perspective.
BushCo have done a lot of wiretapping. Has it occurred to anyone besides me that maybe the main targets of the wiretapping may have been the Republicans. I bet they have enough to keep all the Rethugs in line. That may be one reason impeachment hasn’t gotten any traction yet.
Or am I being too paranoid?
Funny thing though, we haven’t heard anything about the wiretapping for the last couple of months.
Hey…is that Marcy in the background??
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..leak_trial
Just to remind everyone, the Bushies’ first foreign policy emergency, April 2001, involved the Chinese capturing one of our electronic surveillance planes. They got most of the sensitive equipment, we apologized and got the airmen back. The lapdogs, warming up for 9/11, trumpeted the claim that we’d fooled the Chinese by offering a statement that looked like an apology in Chinese but not in English. (Alternatively, the Bushies fooled the media by giving an apology in Chinese that could be construed as a non-apology in English.)
In early September, 2001, Bush was busy dissing Mexican President Vincente Fox when 9/11 turned him into a foreign policy genius.
Jeeeesh.
HotFlash @ 139
Thank you, HotFlash. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to do some heavy reading…
Republican grown-ups in the Congress? LOL Surely you jest. At first I thought some (like Warner) would be, but no. If they get BRAVE on one topic, the GOP quickly slams them down and they return to the fold.
There are none. And not only the Congress. In AMERICA. By this time, 100% of Republicans are either greedy (about 1% of them) or dumber than doornails. Period.
SharonRB @
69
Does this mean that the Wilsons have gotten permission from the CIA to discuss her classified status? Can anypne check with the CIA’s Public Information Office if they have finally declassified her status?
Or will she be speaking in generalities about the effects of leaking classified information and outing covert officers and prgrams of the Counter-Proliferation Program…i.e. stuff that is public information already?
It seems that the CIA SHOULD act by revealing at least the basic facts of Plame’s activities…e.g. that she had travelled abroad on CIA business within the five years of her “outing” (without specifying when and where) and was still working on covert operations (without specifying WHAT).
This seems to be essential as internal terrorists like Victoria Toensing seem intent on gutting the Intelligence Agents Identity Protection Act…making t essentially unenforceable UNLESS one reveals the actual covert programs that are involved in open court. The CIA MUST act to protect their sources, agents and officers…and their silence is harming the Agency.
Essentially Toensing, who claims she “wrote the Act” (bulldada, actually…and she misreads it throughout), would leave the Act a “peper tiger” without any capacity to prosecute anyone.
Our intelligence agents deserve better.
RevDeb @
88
Only the Senate can expel one of its own members. But the Democrats can certainly act as a party to remove Joe from his Chairmanships.
My understanding is that the Democrats have control of thos Chairmanships throughout the next two years, and the Republicans cannot strip them from them. Joe was allowed to retain his Chairmanship by the good graces of “caucusing with the Democrats” and supporting their positions.
He clearly is acting more like a Republican Chair. Thus his position (and votes) is subverting the Democrats position.
By removing him from these Committees the Democrats would force him into the overt Republican party, but because the Committee composition and Chairmanship status were established at the opening of this session the Republicans can’t take over the Committee Chairmanship.
Joe would have to ask the Republicans to give up a seat to stay on the Committee. Someone else (a Republican) would have to drop off.
The Democrats could ADD a member to fill Joe’s Committee spot and appoint their own Chair…one more likely to forward investigations, ask critical questions and vote with his fellow party members.
All in all the Democrats GAIN by tossing Joe…and the Republicans LOSE!
I think if the members of Joe’s own state called for this (perhaps going through their other Senator) then the Democrats might act.
“Article II, Section 4.
The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”
Sorry for being pedantic about this, but it’s useless to talk about “impeachment” unless you also focus on “conviction”, because impeaching Cheney, Bush, Gonzales or anyone else does not remove them office. Only “Conviction”, which requires a two-thirds vote of the Senate, removes them from office.
Thus Scarecrow’s appeal to Republicans. We need at least 17 Republican senators to vote to remove anybody from office. That means persuading 17 Republicans to take their political life in their hands with the wingnut base. I’m not saying it can’t be done, but it is the task at hand.
By the way, senators and members of the house of representatives are not “Civil Officers of the United States”. They are not subject to impeachment. They may be expelled, however, again on a two-thirds vote of the applicable House:
“Article I, Section 5.
Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.
Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.”
What this also means is that it would be difficult to recall a Senator or Representative who is currently sitting with recall legislation not on the books prior to the first session of the new Congress on January 3, 2007.
Prairie Sunshine @
116
Generally the Senate or House will only remove a member for conviction of criminal activities..although they can also do it for ethical violations. But expelling a member is like an impeachment…it requires a two-thirds majority. And it’s unlikely that without some egregious criminal act Lieb would be expelled by the Republicans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L…..r_censured
cinnamonape @ 145
My understanding of the organizing rules of the Senate this time around is that they named names of the committee chairs. Thus, even if JoeLIE flipped the D’s would maintain their chairs. BUT, that includes JoeLIE. He would still retain the chairmanship of Homeland Security. Hence, nothing would change.
I could be wrong.
Well, the “Democrats” are already discredited! When are people going to start holding their feet to the fire? Listen to Carl Levin talk about planning to go into Syria “to get the source of the weapons.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..&eurl=
Kim
jeffreyw @ 28
AMEN AND AMEN!
104 Cheney could be investigated, indicted and probably impeached simplyfor the conspiracy he committed behind closed doors when he cobbled together his “Energy Industry Task Force.”
I have always been convinced that the EITF laid out the plans for the Iraq war and all the other military base plantings in Africa and South America, etc. and that’s why they had to keep it secret. I’d love it to have the records open with an impeachment trail of
Cheney.
have always been convinced that the EITF laid out the plans for the Iraq war and all the other military base plantings in Africa and South America, etc. and that’s why they had to keep it secret. I’d love it to have the records open with an impeachment trail of Cheney.
Meant to also say that I believe that the
EITF set forth the full “it’s all about the oil” agenda.