
(The Monteverde Artista, a gorgeous pen at a good price.)
Okay, gang, I got nothin' tonight, so we're going to talk about pens. Those of you who find this topic to be a total snooze would be advised to come back tomorrow night for your regularly scheduled snark fest. As for the rest of you, I'm going to do my damnedest to make this into an informative and entertaining post, although I have to tell you that my New Best Friend the heating pad has been stuck to me like velcro off and on for most of the day and the constant soothing warmth has got me all drowsy and lackadaisical. *Streeeeeeeeeeetch* Yawn. *blink, blink*
(And yes, my back is feeling much, much better today. Thanks for all of the helpful advice and support last night, gang! You RAWK!!)
So! Some of you have indicated to me in previous pen threads that you're interested in getting a nice pen, but you're not sure where to start. Some of you wrote with fountain pens in middle school or even younger and you'd like to have one, or you've always wanted to try one, or you've even had some old cheap fountain pen that spat ink all over you and made a huge mess, dripped inside its cap, and generally was a monumental pain in the ass.
A problem with buying fountain pens in the US is that many stores and catalogs only carry the most expensive and luxurious pens since those are the ones with the highest profit margins. Most pen companies make student models, cheaper pens for everyday use, and they're a great place for anyone to start. And to my thinking, there is no better student pen than the Waterman Kultur:

About the only reliable stateside source of these little beauties that I have been able to find is eBay. They run from $15 to $20 and come in fine and medium nibs and in a dizzying array of colors and finishes. One thing that they all have in common, however, is the clear feed:

The feed is the part of the pen the ink travels through on its way to the nib. As you and your pen become better acquainted, you will find that the patterns that form in the feed can get downright psychedelic. I like to see how things work and before I bought some Kulturs from eBay, I had never seen exactly how ink flows through the pen to the page. Now, of course, I think it's the coolest thing since sliced bread.
The Kultur is the same model, basically, as the Waterman Phileas, which is widely available in the US, but usually at an inflated price and to me, frankly, they're just not as cool looking. In the last few years, I have begun to eschew gold-tone fittings on my pens. It's just a personal preference. Just like I wouldn't wear phony gold jewelry, I don't really want my pen to, either, and all the Phileas models and colors come with gold-tone clips and bands. Plus, whereas the Kultur will only set you back twenty bucks, the Phileas sells for about twice as much. Waterman pens can use cartridges or converters and work with a wide variety of brands of cartridge including Private Reserve, Pelikan, and of course, Waterman.
Now. Say you've got the hang of this fountain pen thing and you'd like to get hold of a nicer model, but you still don't want to shell out a hundred bucks or more for some fancy-shmancy piece of Austrian pocket jewelry. Or you want to get a gift for that certain elegant someone in your life who likes to write and could use a nice pen.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, meet my favorite new pen of 2007, the Monteverde Artista:

Monteverde is an American company that seems to be intent upon creating several lines of lovely, affordable pens. I have a Monteverde Mauna Kea (as do a few of our readers) and it's one of the best pens I've owned in the last decade or so. It's tough, reliable, and incredibly comfortable to write with. Some of your less exhorbitantly priced pens are nice to sign things with and make the occasional note in your address book, but if you write with them for more than a page or two they start to make your fingers and hand hurt. Not so the Mauna Kea. It's smooth sailing even after pages and pages of work.
This bodes well, to my thinking, for the Artista, which retails for about $60, but I've been seeing them a lot of places for about $50. A clear pen is called a "demonstrator" model, mainly because for decades, these were display pens, meant to show the inner workings of the pen to prospective customers, but generally not for sale. Over the last couple of years, demonstrator pens have become increasingly popular, but are often hamstrung by their designers' lack of foresight. Too many times, the pen itself is gorgeous, but the converter or cartridges are just plug ugly, which kind of defeats the purpose of having a see-through pen.
The Artista is stainless steel and clear resin from one end to the other. It takes the same kinds of cartridges as the Waterman and also comes with a converter for bottled ink and, in a surprisingly cool bit of design, even the back of the nib is clear:

I am guessing that turns the color of whatever ink you're using.
Rowr!!
Now, I can hear some of you in the audience slapping your foreheads and exclaiming, "Jeez, fifty bucks for a pen?!" The thing to remember is that a good fountain pen, if properly maintained, will work for the rest of your life. This isn't a 99 cent Biro to use until it dies and then throw into the landfill. It's a personal tool that will get better and better the more you use it and maybe someday, it will be something that you pass on to your kids, grandkids, nieces and nephews, etc.
Both of these pens are steel nibs. There is a school of thought among pen geeks that anything less than a 14K gold nib is like brushing your teeth with sandpaper, but you know, I have one pen with a 21K nib and it's almost too smooth for me. Slippery. I find myself gripping the pen with a death-grip just to feel like I have control of it. Ultimately, I really like steel nibs. Maybe that makes me some kind of Philistine, but it also means I can buy a whole lot more pens for a whole lot less money.
Personally, once I get a few bills knocked out this month, I think I'm going to be ordering myself an Artista. It's just too good to pass up. It comes with a converter and a brace of ink cartridges (pictured at the top of this post). Me, I only really use blue inks, so if any of you guys want to call dibs on the other colors, let me know, okay?
Here are some quality pen retailers:
Fahrney's Pens: Located in Washington, DC, this is Christy's favorite pen shop.
Art Brown: Located in New York City, this is my personal favorite, just because their prices and selection are second to none.
Colorado Pen Direct: These guys have an incredible selection, but are sometimes on the pricier side.
Swisher Pens: Ugly website, good pens.
Fountain Pen Domain: Another unattractive website with a great selection.
Any other questions you may have, I'll be here in the comment thread to answer as best I can. Enjoy!
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Fitz! Trex!
Trex!!!
ccmassssssk!!!!!!!
Write ON!!
Trex!
How is your back tonight and did you follow the ice-it advice from last night???
Ah, fountain pens! I have an El Cheapo see-through pen of uncertain lineage; I’ve been debating picking up another, better pen.
My issue with pens is being a lefty. It is a pain, where ink is concerned.
I truly love what we used to call “mechanical pencils.” Love that fine line, love that it erases cleanly.
Hey TRex- just as I was asking about Late Nite… were your ears burning?
So, just a quick comment before I totally zone out. But, fountain pens…. these are not friendly to lefties, of the hand variety. Unless there has been a major shift in fountain pen awareness…
The velcro-ed heating pad would suggest that the ice suggestions were not well received…
bg- SNAP!
Trex, you should send Judge Walton a pen to sign the order sending Libby to the Big House, the Slammer!!
A PEN IN SPACE
When NASA first started sending up astronauts, they quickly discovered that ballpoint pens would not work in zero gravity. To combat the problem, NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion to develop a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside down, underwater, on almost any surface including glass and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to 300 degrees Celsius.
The Russians used a pencil.
http://www.wocka.com/690.html
VG–a lefty. And also loves cats.
Just saw this at rawstory:
New Orleans courts in decay: Federal report says justice is ‘unavailable’ for New Orleans’ poor.
Sadly, my first thought was, “Things are finally getting back to normal there.”
Trex, isn’t “I got nothing tonight” pretty much what you said last night? And look what happened! I wasn’t there, but I heard you may have broken records.
Pens?
I’m pretty indifferent to them, but, Old School that I am, I LOVES a good mechanical pencil, which I use a lot for roughing out music charts (before I put ‘em in Finale on my iMac for that finished look).
_
bg @ 12
cats- you or me or both?
Both. And both.
I spoke to two friends with extensive knowledge of back and other athletic injuries and they both said that ice is only to be applied to traumatic injuries in the immediate aftermath to stop swelling (if you just did you knee in and it’s swelling up to grapefruit size, for example). Otherwise, it’s heat, heat, heat.
good nite pen pals! cul8tr
Hi TRex and all….. been at client meetings since Monday with NO Toobz … was in pretty full blown withdrawal by Wednesday…..
TRex… glad your back is better….. alternating ice and heat, walking twice a day (recommended by my neuro-surgeon) and then exercising to strengthen your core.
And for the post…. another factoid I can put in my little old brain file cabinet and can boor my co-workers with my trivia knowledge!
Jeezus, George Miller ‘08!
That’s more like it.
TRex- sorry I missed the story- did this have anything to do with YOGA?
Reading FDL has made me pine for quill pens:
“When in the course of human events . . .”
John Hancock had style, and you know that quill pen looked oh-so-tasty as it dipped into the ink well to sign the Declaration.
katymine in the house!!!
What up?
I got laid off today. Surreal.
_
Ann in AZ @ 14
Well, you know how it is. A dino can’t be a genius EVERY night. It would place an undue strain on my poor walnut-sized brain.
BobbyG @ 24
Whaattt?
Valley Girl @ 22
Yes, he said sheepishly.
Bobby G–ouch!!
The psychedelic patterns - got any more on that? Or a link?
Or does seeing them require special chemical assistance? :-)
TRex @ 27
oh dear, I am sorry about that.
Trex, that was terrible. And I didn’t even read it. So there. hahaha. What I mean to say is. I’m going to bed and. Oh, the snow. My head hurts from shoveling.
Valley Girl @ 26
Yeah, Fucking got RIF’d. Medicare recission of some of our contract funds. Seven of us got canned. One day notice. Boom. Gone.
_
Markinsanfran @ 29
Well, the thing is that people almost never photograph their pens with ink in them. They want you to be able to see the lines and parts.
Trust me, though, you don’t need hallucinogens. It’s lovely au naturel.
My Montblanc fountain pen leaks again. Frustrating. It now is consigned to standing in an empty vitamin jar tucked inside a pewter Tabasco holder only to be used when I’ve an abundance of time to rinse, fill, wipe and write.
TRex, love your pen tales.
Hysterical spaniel tail now waving frantically beside me…blizzard be damned, it’s time for an outing.
G’night, pups. Keep the faith and
ADB HRC
As a struggling college student I used to use very generic fountain pens. I fell in love with them, but am the rarest of all combinations: a tightwad gay man. Who knew they existed? I just have never been in a position to justify purchasing a good fountain pen. Unfortunately I am also struck with a notion that when it comes to things that define you–and yes, using a fountain pen defines you as a person–that you don’t skimp.
But when law school comes around…oh yes. I shall be following Mr. TRex here’s advice. Though- how a dinosaur writes with those gimpy little arms is beyond me.
Look at the nib on that Monteverde! It looks like you could pave a road with it.
Hi Bobby G… I had internet for a few minutes last night… heard about your layoff….
I wish you a speedy resolution of the situation…
So can someone give me the reader’s digest of what I missed in the last 4 days?
Lets see… No verdict…. Cheney almost made a martyr… still have that picture of TRex doing yoga in my brain… Anything else?
BobbyG- that is terrible. I trust/ fervently hope your local support system is in place.
(((((((bobbyG)))))))
I’m off to Fitzgerald’s court tomorrow and humbly ask your prayers/positive energy thx must sleep now
——————egregious
Lamy pens are so sexy. The Safari fountain pen is gorgeous and adorable.
http://coloradopen.com/categor.....ntain_Pens
My pen!
TRex @ 18
Yup. There’s a reason that Bikram Yoga is so popular: Heat loosens up cramped muscles and helps the blood to circulate and remove toxins and such.
I love using my Lamy pen when writing. It’s cute and wonderful to use.
http://coloradopen.com/categor.....ntain_Pens
katymine @ 37
LOL!!! Thanks. So, I’m sittin’ in my group exit interview, and my cell phone rings. It’s this dude from a VAR of an electronic medical records system we’ve been involved with, based in SoCal. They wanna talk to me about coming to them.
So, I’m good. My big issue at the moment is me Ma down in FL. She just got out of a month in the rehab hospital, and is not OK. Doc is saying “nursing home.” Shit. I’m checking flight schedules.
_
I love to see fountain pens spotlighted! I’ve been using and collecting them for several years. I’ll be interested in knowing if there’s a staining problem on the clear feed of your Arista.
Oh, and I think this is my first time posting here, though I’ve been reading for a long time.
{{{{{{Bobby G}}}}}}}}
Almost Layoff #1 - unscheduled company wide meeting in lunch room with two women with suits and manila envelopes… everyone else was going to be RIF…. except the nurses…
Layoff #1 (for real)- manager in the office before 7 am(unheard of) and unscheduled meeting, two women in suits with manila envelopes…. now they layoff the nurses!
Layoff #2 - One BIG national insurance company buys out the little state wide HMO where they had told us for 6 months that the nurses jobs are safe…… two women in suits with manila envelopes lay off the nurses from the little company.
Layoff #3 - unscheduled meeting in the lunch room…. two women in suits with manila envelopes ….. I walk in the room and say “FUCK …. WE are going to get laid off”…. OH man was I attacked for that one!
Little SF bay area quake . . . TRex, you stompin’ around again?
Prairie Sunshine @ 34
I am not a fan of Montblanc pens. There’s a number of reasons, but let’s just say that the main one is that they’re more for looking at than actually using.
Send it back! They’re supposed to have a lifetime guarantee!
Cool commentary. I never knew that pens could come at a price of $800 and up until I went to Fahrney’s in D.C. But, I will look for your recommendations. They all looked terrific. Thanks. I love pens, fine points only.
RevJen @ 45
Welcome, sweetie!
Since most inks are water soluble, I am thinking that it should just wash right off the feed. But since all my inks are shades of blue, it doesn’t matter so much to me.
Peterr - I felt that little shaker. Gaia is alive.
Poprocks @ 43
I got the Vista, which is a Safari demonstrator. It’s cool, but not really me, so I sent it to my Dad today.
Well that settles it - I am going to get myself a nice fountain pen to go along with the antique inkwell passed down to me from my Grandma. Thanks for the push, TRex, and for all the great info! Am totally exhausted from last night’s “coming out party”, but I wanted to at least say something tonight!
quake stats
4.2 2007/03/01 20:40:00 37.901N 122.098W 16.6 2 km ( 1 mi) NE of Lafayette, CA
don’t spill your ink
OK all you fountain pen folks, what nib do you prefer
Fine medium or broad?
I’m a medium myself.
Oh, a little dirty hippie shake this evening out California way?
shaker was a 4.2 according to the usgs and was centered berkeley
TRex, have you ever tried one of the Namiki pens with the retracting nib, and if so, what did you think of it? It seems a little blasphemous, but I’m getting tired of finding limpid pools of blue-black ink at the bottom of my briefcase and such. (I have a dozen or so fountain pens of various types, all of which leak like Karl Rove.)
It must be hard to refill a fountain pen with those teeny little forelegs of yours.
just updated it to centered in lafayette, east of berkeley
4.2 quake, felt like more
TRex- do you happen to remember the Sterling Silver Parker pen and pencil set I told you about? (and also linked?) way back when? Alas, I deleted the pix or I would send you a link. You said it might be “space age” inspired, or something like that.
Pens, a subject I enjoy. I like the XF nibs, when possible. The very fine line looks good for flowing script.
Have had great luck with Rotring Art Pens. Their steel nibs are quite smooth. The new Core are funky looking, fun and smooth.
Cross had a line at one time which had excellent nibs for F and XF. Quite cheap for what they were.
Pelican had a line of student pens that were worthwhile as well.
Then by hanging out in old jewelry stores you can get new old stock. Parkers, Sheaffers, etc… Usually for their 1960-70’s prices.
Ebay is a good place as well.
A note. You can hone fountain pen nibs to smooth out rough or scratchy surfaces. Some may say extrememly fine grit sand paper but that isn’t right.
Drafting film (mylar) will act as super fine paper and your can make even the roughest nib silky. 81/2 x 11 sheets are cheap. Just hold the pen as normal and write, draw circles,etc…until the scratch disappears. May take time and reworking but with it you can make the cheapest/worst pen write better than that $1000 Euro model.
thanks for the links-
Thanks for the welcome!
It’s also great to see you highlight Fountain Pen Domain and Swisher Pens. Both of those guys are small operations and dedicated to quality and service. Both also tend to give pretty good discounts, as does Fountain Pen Hospital. Colorado Pen tends not to discount.
LoudounLib @ 53
Which one is interesting to you, LL? I can help you with this.
Remember, you never throw a fountain pen away! It’s environmentally responsible!
TRex @ 18
Hmmmm. My doctor insists on ice, ice, ice for any kind of injury or inflammation - or ice & heat.
But if heat works for you, that’s great.
I never got the hang of fountain pens - I always ended up with my fingers covered in ink.
I couldn’t believe there was a rollerpen on the Art Brown web sit for $1,450. Yikes - that’s more than a good computer.
NormalLiberal @ 58
I’ve tried the Namiki/Pilot Vanishing Point. They write well and work well. I find it not natural to grip with the clip down by my fingers, but lots of my friends love them.
Isn’t the quake rated on both intensity and duration? I felt sharp jolt but no duration.
I was told ice for the first 24 then heat but then I was also told that your body will tell you which one works best - ice or heat. TRex, hope you get those kinks worked out of that humongous set of vertebrae you have there.
My back’s best friend is my heating pad.
NormalLiberal @ 58
I think those pens are kind of gimmicky. A lot of people are just wild about them, though. I’ve used one once and it was pretty good, but not really my style.
I like a Medium Monteverde nib, but a Fine Waterman.
joysness @ 55
I tend to prefer a Fine or, if the nib is oversized, an Extra Fine. For some writing, though, a broad stub nib is nice and can provide nice variation in line width. And I’ve grown to like some flex in the nib. I find pens like the Lamy Safari kind of like writing with a nail. A little flex is more comfortable.
TRex @ 18
Another heating pad suggestion — microwave beanbag heating pads. Ms. Redshift has one and loves it for her back problems; it’s very useful for bedtime. Since it gradually cools off, unlike an electric heating pad, you don’t have to worry about leaving it on all night, and you have more control over the heat level than with the single-use drugstore heat patches.
Not knowing a whole lot about fountain pens (yet!) I would probably lean towards a Waterman, only because I’ve heard of them, or towards your new fave as noted above. And I’m all about being environmentally conscious, and the idea of using a fountain pen definitely appeals!
T Rex! glad to hear your back is better
((((BobbyG)))) here’s to you landing on your feet in a place ya want to be
((((egregious))))
egy - Jane Hamsher does not dispatch flibbertigibbets to Prettyman, you will be just fine and then some - lit a brand new lavender infused beeswax for ya just the same, Now go in there and bring us out a VERDICT !!!
- believe it is their Pelikano line that has some groovy ones for lefties
Hayward or Calaveras fault ?
Mad progressive love to all Firedogs, de lurking and otherwise . ‘Nite
RevJen @ 66
Thanks for the report, RevJen. I have a Lamy 2000 that is the most wonderfully comfortable shape and weight, but when you take off the cap it tends to be full of ink. I’m willing to work with the clip.
While I’m soliciting advice and recommendations, have any of you pen fiends ever dealt with a place in Iowa called Pendemonium? The oh-so-clever name makes me a bit leery, but they have quite the collection of inks and other paraphenalia, and I’m feeling tempted.
Well Bobby G, I’ve been laid off so many times, being from the Tech industry, that the last time I said F* it! and bought a small business. I sold that one and bought a bigger one (that has nothing at all to do with Tech), and that supports us nicely. I miss the intellectual stimulation from having lunch with some of the smartest people in the world, but at the end of the month, the amount of money in the bank and the decisions that bring in that money, are mine. It ain’t easy, but it’s totally worth it.
Not everyone can afford to take this step (I was house-rich), but if you just start thinking in this direction and it seems right, opportunities may start showing up…
Kids, I’m heading out through the rain and home.
Back in a bit.
cbl, looking at this link, appears to be
haywardcalaverasNormalLiberal @ 74
NormalLiberal, if you’re into vintage pens, Pendemonium is great! I dealt with them through the mail, phone, and email for ink, Clairefontaine notebooks and pen cases for several years
before meeting them at the DC Pen Supershow last summer.
Pens. So personal. Pens to me are like Duff Beer to Homer Simpson. Ooooh, peeennnnsss. But for a space, “The pen is mightier than the sword,” would be true. I had a Waterman when I lived in France in college and used turquoise ink with a fine nib. Even then, it didn’t feel right. Too scratchy and shrill. I’ve gone through the green ink phase. Dabbled in purple. Black is best with the Pilot RazorPoint (Liquid Ink Marker Pen). I really, really want to love the MontBlanc … but it’s a high maintenance pen. Then, the Japanese enter the market with the dichotomous retractable fountain pen. Who ever heard of such a thing? It seems so ridiculous, but you click the button, the nib pops out, and works perfectly every time. No jamming, no leaking, no skipping. Eh, who’da thunk it?
Oh Gee Bobby G you’ll be in all our thoughts and may I say once you get there I’d get a second opinion from another doctor…just to be certain all options are explored.
Airlines have been known to give discounts in such short notice emergencies depending on seating availability so don’t be shy and emphazize the emergency.
Keep us posted as time permits cause you know we’re all with you both in heart and spirit.
thanks Suzanne,
don’t know whether it is a good thing or not, just recall that the Hayward needed every bit of stress relief it could get :)
Suzanne @ 77
Inneresting - that link shows a lot of little temblors following up. I only felt the first in Berkeley. If it were the Hayward I would have felt more, sitting right by it here.
my favorite pen was the plain black government issue ball point pen that i would offer up while saying press hard four copies line 24 not an admission of guilt only a promise to appear on the date and time listed.
TRex!!!
Thank you. Ever since that last post about fountain pens I’ve been wanting to ask questions. You’ve covered many of them above.
I resurrected my Esterbrook J from 1956 (it’s older than my teeth). I writes great, doesn’t leak or make a mess. The 50 year old ink sac seems to seal just fine. and I’m writing a journal just for the sheer joy of using it.
Found this little gem from Sheaffer, 1947
The 26 Old Characters
I tend to have a bit of a heavy hand so I find I tear the paper with a fine nib
the micro tremers following the quake are common and usually not felt - microquakes below 3.0 are usually not felt
Felt the quake here in San Joaquin County.
FDL is a neverending source of all kinds of useful information.
Earthquake updates with pen shopping advice. :)
Trex -
Finally a post I feel I can contribute too, I always read before and after work (can’t check during the day) and usually am too late for the party.Been watching and waiting on Fitmas forever it seems.
Pens are a love of mine, my favorites are a metal nibbed pen from the 18th century of carved Ivory ( dip, not fountain), a blown glass pen with a glass tip (also dip, not fountain) and a True Write Fountain Pen from Levengers(reasonable price and quality).
One of the wonderful things about pens is how the instrument changes the experience and I would argue the content of the writing.
BobbyG @ 44
BobbyG, try this:
http://www.medicare.gov/NHComp.....teria.asp? version=default&browser=Firefox|2|WinXP&language=English& defaultstatus=0&pagelist=Home&CookiesEnabledStatus=True
It compares nursing homes within any area you choose.
I admit that I am powerless over fountain pens. I bought a Waterman Phileas (didn’t know about the Kultur yet) almost ten years ago. I’d had fountain pens before, but this time, when I bought my pen, they sent me home with a catalog. I fell in love with all the pretties. Then I entered “fountain pens” into a search engine (pre-Google) and I was lost forever.
Now, ten years or so and about 150 pens later, I’m still searching for the absolutely perfect one.
Suzanne @ 83
Suz! I am about to crash, but I saw your comment and just had to say “hey”. Very funny er… real comment. Conjures up an image, it does. xxoo
glad i made ya laugh vg - sleep well.
if you guys dont watch sara silverman on comedy central youre missin out.
she’s totally nuts. love it!
RevJen-
I’m afraid to look at the vintage stuff, because I know I will buy something I shouldn’t. But I’ll definitely be checking out the ink collection at Pendemonium again.
I have a Japanese fountain pen with an insanely fine nib, which suits my Bartleby the Scrivener handwriting, but it’s extremely fussy about what types of ink it will consume.
TRex confirms my visceral sense about the Vanishing Point (another slightly too clever name), so I think I may wait until I can play with one before I commit.
And now I’m going back upthread so I can capture that thing about the mylar sheet and scratchiness…
Suzanne @ 91
thx- always appreciate a laugh, especially when the story is based on Real Life Experience. xxoo
urban pirate @ 92
She rocks! I’ve been a big fan of hers for quite a while. Glad she got a show of her own finally, she aint right!
I’m just glad I found text edit.
Valley Girl - You still here?
yes
Pens? We don’t need no steeinkin’ pens!!
We got laptops! *g*
OT, but this should be good for some laffs. Santorum to be a commentator for….[drumroll] Fox News! (HT Huffington Post)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....42415.html
And as for the pens, I lost a great one a friend gave me, but I still have my I Castoni Stipula, which was another gift. It’s kind of greenish/brown, with gold trim. Medium tip. Me likes.
My least favorite pen-is is now a Fox Snooze contributor.
Old Man on Dog himself.
-GSD
bmaz…but not for long… oh, wait, were you suggesting that I finally go to bed, bmaz? Or did you have a question for me?
Garbo by a hair.
-GSD
ccmask @
11
I think that’s a myth. I own a Fisher Space Pen. Fisher designed a pen for use in space with no government money at all.
NASA did spend 4 thousand on mechanical pencils though.
There’s great story about how a Fisher retractable saved Aldrin and Armstrong from being stranded on the moon. A switch was broken when one of the astronauts was climbing back into the module. The Fisher Space Pen was inserted into the broken part and the switch was thrown! The rest is history.
VG - enjoyed the conversation. Let me know the info and I’ll take care of your friend. If you can’t find her email we”ll leave a comment here so she can tell us. Left you a late email a bit ago. Good night.
TRex said
WHAT? No call to your loving brother?
WHY I OUGHTTA….
urban pirate @ 93
that woman upsets me….
I am drawn like a moth to a flame in spite of the fact that I know she would mock me mercilessly…
bmaz- I will contact you anon- as in the morn. Great talking to you too. Also will check email in morn.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 96
I’d seen/heard her around a little, but this show really allows her so much freedom. Every show has been different so far and she’s pushing lots of creative limits I think. I’m very impressed.
Funny that shes married to Jimmy Kimmel. I think she’s hot.
PaTrex @ 107
I think that may be part of the attraction for me. Her merciless sarcasm would tear my ass to shreds and I would be grinning like an idiot while she publicly eviscerates me.
Talk about falling down.
-GSD
wow, gsd. Meth is f’n brutal.
I dated a beauty queen turned methhead bank robber years ago. The drug is just terrible and takes no prisoners.
As for the gay porn…..
TRex: sorry to contradict your jock friends but ice is the “new” way to deal with anything that is inflamed…putting heat on inflammation is just - plain - wrong…it makes it more inflamed…pulled muscles respond well to heat but seriously, don’t get it tooo hot.
TRex,
A Therapod after my own heart — but then again, I think you knew that already.
My favorite fountain pen is a vintage Parker 75 (fine nib) dating back to my grad school days at Chapel Hill (early 70s). That baby would fly over the blue book pages during written comps! It was my last gift from my dad before he died.
Art Brown has kept it in good shape but I now prefer Rollerballs. Own a Montblanc, Waterman and Caran d’Ache. The latter is my fave — purchased it from the Fountain Pen Hospital in downtown NYC (near City Hall).
Just realized in writing this that my preferred writing instrument has always been the one that helps my brain connect quickly to the page. Sometimes that’s less about the mechanics of the pen and more about its associations to the rest of my life.
Hope all is well in Athens — and that we’ll all manage the weekend/full moon well as we anticipate a FitzMadness verdict.
GSD @ 111
With the meth epidemic reaching new lows such as this, why are the Feds still singularly focused on locking up pot users and dealers?
I can’t say I have ever heard a good ending to a story about meth use.
-GSD
GSD @ 116
Sadly, there are very few “former meth users” most of them have tragic endings. Fuckin Nazi scourge of a drug. It does not go without note in my mind the rise of fascism in America parallels the rise of the meth epidemic.
Suzanne: What time was that shaker? I was cooking earlier and the pot started rattling violently, could that have been the quake?
Had any nibbles on your house?
still wound up about court/inexplicably jovial jury today. Can’t sleep. If they don’t come back with averdict tomorrow I might nor make it
Ink
I only managed to find a bottle of Parker Quink. Are there better choices? Why?
I’ve seen several comments on pen sites that black ink should be avoided? I prefer the blue-black anyway.
What’s the best way to store a fountain pen? Point up, down?
Will a $1000 pen write any better than my Esterbrook J?
not on meth though. Yet
urban pirate @
113
So I have to ask, did you date her during the beauty queen, meth head, and/or bank robber period of her life?
Speaking of Nazis.
Noted racist and homophobe Michael Savage promptly dropped from representation days after being picked up by a major agency.
Obssessing about gays again Michael?
-GSD
spider, i didn’t feel the quake at all… lots of agents have been through and its been shown twice but no nibbles
Spider,
Shaker was at 8:40
I was hoping we’d be talking about federal PENS tonight, as in penitentiaries…
I just saw Sarah Silverman tonight, for the first time. She’s sweet and cute on the outside and irreverently chewy in the middle…I loved it.
I taught myself calligraphy as a kid. I used to have a variety of cheap bladder fillers with various interchangeable chisel tip nibs, unique only in that they were lefthanded in design. I also had a variety of dippers which were somehow more primitive and much more trouble to work with but the ink ran true when there was just that ‘perfect dip’ happening. But I suspect TRex concentrates on the content of the ideas behind the text the pen produces, rather than the aesthetic of the text itself. Either way, pens are cool.
And who doesn’t sit naked at the desk from time to time? John Wayne used to sit naked at the desk, all the time…I don’t know about the meth and gay porn.
Anything else going on?
RBG @ 123
Hah. I dated her in the sober, came through the other side, stand up comedian phase. God was she a riot.
Telling stories about driving the getaway car (a jag x12s) in a slip with her bichon frese.
I’m cracking up thinking about it.
GSD @ 123
Further evidence of the cluelessness of the principals that run CAA and other big agencies. Did they not listen to his show before signing him? Idiots!
SHe was one of the few who make it out.
I’ve known several who werent so lucky.
hpschd @ 121
There are lots of excellent choices for ink these days. Private Reserve makes inks that are super-color-saturated and come in every color you can think of. Waterman inks are all excellent and contain a surfactant that lubricates and cleans the inside of your pen. Pelikan makes excellent inks, as well.
Most all come in cartridges and bottles, too, these days.
Black ink is fine, but you have to clean your pen more often.
Few things in life work better than an Esterbrook, amigo.
Me, personally, I can’t see spending more than $150 on a pen, and that would be the only pen I would buy that year. That’s a lot of money to me.
urban pirate @
129
And you gave me the laugh I’ve needed all day. Thanks.
Sorry mods, I won’t zig again.
Is that a “Repo Man” reference?
I can’t seem to do the pen thing very well. Since as a lefty i end up with more ink on my hands than anything else. Even with the good ballpoints that happens.
I also work in an industry where pen stealing is part of the territory. It’s retail. 15 cheap (or free) ballpoints in my smock thanks to the pharm agents giving us techs goodies. But they always end up used up and dead, or stolen by patients or each other. *grins*
PaTrex @
107
WHAT? No call to your loving brother?
WHY I OUGHTTA….
He’s wrong anyway. Safari is an OSX demonstrator. Vista is a beta moneysuck.
if there is meth and gay porn, there is a fundie preacher nearby.
On its side.
For demonstrators, the one ink to steer clear of is Private Reserve Tanzanite. It will stain anything. If you love the color, which I do, an easy way to get a very close approximation is to use a 1:1 mixture of Waterman Florida Blue and Waterman Violet.
TRex @ 134
Love you man! The only good movie Emilio Estevez ever made!
Peterr @ 47
My daughter in Oakland just reported it was at least a 4.0 quake - she is unnerved but happy it did not cause great harm. She lost her housing when she was a student at SFSU when the much worse 1989 quake.
If anyone wants to do some good reading there is the story of the fired US AG’s that seems to be heating up. Talking Points Memo has the poop. Looks like crusty old Pajama Pete Domenici and Heather “My son saw a breast” Wilson were up to some pre-election scumbaggery.
Also in NH the presumptive leader of the NH Dems has been exonerated by the AG after a rival Republican accused him of possessing child porn.
These people are brutal.
-GSD
Oh! There’s my brother!
Hey, man! Sorry I gave Dad your pen! You’ll get the next one that needs a new home.
TRex @ 133
You missed the link upthread about the high school principal arrested at his desk naked watching gay porn for selling meth to an informant.
Its another one of those stories like the diaper wearing astronaut - they add salacious details to an otherwise average news item to turn heads.
Suzanne @ 137
Nope, just a Haggard principal.
-GSD
newspaperbrat @ 140
4.2 according to the USGS. Depending on exactly where you are and what kind of place you’ve got, that’ll swing your light fixtures and such, but not knock over furniture and appliances.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 144
Yes and yes, the big lizard had the right of it. It was a Repo retort to the principal story. I always try to bring in a movie reference when the reality is too heavy…it’s one of my rules.
Wow I’ve seen Repo Man dozens of times, its a fav movie of mine. I totally missed the reference! DOH!
newspaperbrat @ 141
I was here for the ‘89 quake. This little shaker was NOTHING like that.
That one had duration - I felt it, I thought, Is this an earthquake… oh my it IS…what should I do…get in the doorway… and it was STILL shaking.
THe one tonight - just a jolt. Over before I could think.
It is the duration that causes the damage - shakey shakey shakey - things start to move - shakey shakey some more.
Give me librium or give me meth.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 148
Every notice all the BEST movies have a Jonathan Richman song or two?
…it must have been the Hayward Fault then cause I never felt it…as for the verdict, mercury goes direct at 8:45 PM on the 7th so expect forward movement on the 8th.
…hot buttered popcorn anyone? Blue Sky Cola? Razberry truffles?
johnSwifty @ 150
Or a Nick Cave song, but yes!
To stay on topic, the classmate who told me that used fountain pens to write back in 8th grade. He went on to a notable path through Princeton and Columbia for poetry, but I think he lifted that phrase from a punk rock button..
…munch, munch…TRex must have some Libra in there somewhere cause calligraphy types are usually loaded up with planets in Libra or have Libra rising…somewhere
spiderpaws @ 151
Nope - Calaveras Fault, centered near Lafayette.
One of the neat features of the USGS site is a “did you feel it?” page. (click above and look down to “additional information.) They ask folks who feel earthquakes to report them using a brief survey, then post the responses on a map like this.
Paper
In the old days, it was possible to get a letter writing pad which was unlined, fine (linen) paper. There was an extra page which WAS lined and you were expected to slip it under the page on which you were writing. The lines were faintly visible through the top page and helped keep your writing level.
Has this stuff gone the way of the Dodo?
What’s a good paper to use with a fountain pen?
How about good paper in a bound journal? one that lies flat
…let’s hope that is the end of the earthquake business for the rest of the week…during another eclipse prone period, there was the big one of ‘89….also the big Oakland fire, right?
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 153
Well, then, gonna have to get me some Nick Cave flicks. I remember a German movie years ago that I think Meg Ryan butchered later on. What would you suggest?
spiderpaws @ 155
Actually, I eschew calligraphy. Too passive. Why would I want to make my writing look like someone else wrote it?
Like any good Gemini, I have very distinctive handwriting. It’s a combination of modern and really, really old school.
My high school English teacher noted to me that my handwriting looks an awful lot like Charles Dickens’s handwriting.
Oh, and I would like a truffle please.
Peterr: on the link you provided? I like where it said: Location Quality: Excellant…
TRex @ 160
Chocolate or fungi? They’re both good, but not exactly interchangable.
hpschd @ 157
I remember the lined sheet. One per box. I don’t know, I haven’t looked in years. In my neck of the woods the store was, “St. Paul Book and Stationery,” and it’s been gone for years. I used to stand in front of the counter and drool at the Mont Blancs.
…still, Libra somewhere, am convinced
My mom used the lined sheet paper when she was sending air mail since it cost more and the paper weighed less.
I know exactly what you’re talking about. Give me just a minute to find it on The Google.
Peterr @ 163
One takes a pig to find and the other tends to make you into one.
Here’s a little vintage pen porn for all the pen lovers at the lake.
http://img.photobucket.com/alb.....dduojr.jpg
Both of these are from around 1928: a blue ripple Waterman 94 and a Mandarin Yellow Parker Duofold Junior.
..Barlovento Chocolates, beans from Venezuela, very silky
BobbyG @
15
I like those Sanford ‘calligraphy’ felt-tip pens for charts before they go into Finale. I want to get ‘07 for the Garritan stuff.
hpschd @ 157
IMO, the best notepads for fountain pen users are from Rhodia and Levenger. Both are pricey. A more cost-effective alternative is Ampad Gold Fibre pads.
I use a Moleskine journal as a sort of running to-do list, and it’s OK, but I suspect that it’s OK mostly because I use extra-fine nibs.
Peterr @ 156
Jumping frogs.
Peterr @ 156
Thanks Peterr for the great linky - I had no idea it existed and have added it to my bookmarks. The 1989 quake was felt loud and clear here on the Monterey peninsula but no damage of any significance and power restored within 48-hours.
Patrick 4/4 @ 172
*smacking head*
And I thought it was an earthquake!
hpschd @ 157
Okay, I can’t find those writing pads. WTF?
What’s a good journal? Okay, man, you’re heading into the kind of thing that is being energetically discussed here at the FPN Forums.
You should go by there. Tell them Thesaurus Rex sent you.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 147
It’s not in “Repo Man.” (Sitting naked at a desk, that is.)
The John Wayne reference in the movie is the yard man’s to installing a two-way mirror in Wayne’s “pad in Brentwood” and the yard man insists that Wayne came to the door in a dress….
TRex, I remember them as being Air Mail stationary. Does that help with the google?
TRex @ 176
Ahhh your alter ego is king of the double entendre; your nom de plum?
I’ve probably told you guys this before, but my Mom left her jewelry to my sisters and left me her 1930’s Blue marble Waterman. I feel I got the better deal.
Another good all-purpose paper for fountain pens is Clairfontaine. It doesn’t bleed through. I have some trouble with ink bleeding through Moleskine paper. Cheap legal pads are definitely out, as is, unfortunately nearly all recycled paper. The fibers get caught in the nib and can really mess up the ink flow.
Waterman inks tend to flow well, though the colors are not all that saturated. A new ink within the last couple of years is Noodlers Ink, which comes in a huge variety of colors, even more colors than Private Reserve.
My favorite pen? Probably my green Omas Celluloid that never skips or needs a quick-dip jump start and really removes most of the barrier between my brain and my hand. I got a fantastic deal on it, though, and it was still expensive.
montag @ 177
You say shrimp, or plate, or plate of shrimp… whatever. It was an opportunity to conflate John Wayne and a wholly incongruent circumstance. It was style, over content.
johnSwifty @ 158
There is this gorgeous film from the mid 90s called Until the End of the World which had a theme song written for it from U2 but otherwise uses Nick Cave songs throughout. Also, there is a little movie known to folks around here known as Natural Born Killers as well. You can look up Nick Cave on IMDB and find more.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 183
Hmmm, Natural Born Killers you say. Is that the one with the uncredited deamon actress who looks a lot like Jane Hamsher?
GSD @
124
I’m relieved to hear that - when I heard he was signed to that agency I was flabbergasted.
The one in the same.
i prefer a ballpoint, and i do a lot of writing every day (as a dj, i somehow need to keep alot of notes — don’t ask), not to mention doodling! i’ve been using a montblanc starwalker for a bit over two years and i love it…..it’s a bit pricey and some might say pretentious, but a fantastic pen…
TRex @ 176
I wandered over there…
“Oh brave new world that hath such creatures in’t.”
I though I was going overboard with the fountain pen thing.
Ooh! the Artiste! I was given one of these as a going-away present at my previous work. Yes, the clear bit on the nib DOES go the colour of the current ink. It’s beautiful.
As a now European-resident DownUnderGirl, remind me to tell you sometime about all my tips about ensuring fountain pens survive long-distance flights.
Actually the Fisher space pens were developed using private money by Fisher Pen company. They did score a special contract to provide the pens to NASA, but eventually even the Russians purchased them for their own space flights.
Pencils make graphite dust, something that you don’t want to have around gumming up complex cabin air filtering equipment.
hpschd @ 188
I stayed long enough to witness the quoting of the Bard, thanks hpschd. And now to bed. We’re having a bit of a tempest here in Minnesota tonight. Anon, anon!
wow, a pen post! thanks for the recs, will check them out (have not even one demonstrator yet). glad to see fans of Lamy among us. My Lamy 2000 is one of my favorites–such a wonderfully smooth, *soft* write, with great flow and an elegant modernist design. For newbies, I usu. recommend the Lamy vista, but I’ll have to check out the Waterman. In general, I’ve found the pens produced in countries that have large pen markets to be of predictably superior quality — Japanese pens, for example (Namiki! Sailor!). MontBlanc is nothing more than an ornamental signature pen, blech! Up with fountain pens (and recumbent bikes, to show my true beardy-weirdiness colors)!
mutzali @
180
I concur.
somatose, I agree with you about Montblanc. Their “precious resin” (i.e. plastic) shatters easily if the pen accidentally drops to the floor. The pens are incredibly overpriced status symbols. Apparently the big white
bird poop splashsnowflake on the cap tells people something about the user. Or not.Ohhhhh, you bitch.
Oops.
johnSwifty @ 168
…why I love the Lake…
I sheepishly admit to being decidely lowbrow in my choice of writing instruments. sad, but true.
Time to toddle off to bed. Thanks for making me feel welcome.
I want a Wall Street by, uh, who makes those?
Visconti.
In blue.
RevJen, so true, I forgot to mention overpriced status symbols. I recently noticed one of the few cult figures on my campus, a world-renowned linguist/social theorist, brandishing a MontBlanc in his pocket. Eek. Can you say “plummeting respect”? From someone who has spent his life studying signs and symbols, I expected more than such an overt, garish status symbol. Oh well, maybe he just doesn’t know the aesthetic bliss of writing with a real pen, and thinks all fountain pens are (differently weighted) status symbols.
punaise @ 197
Hell, I’m lucky to find a pen that works when I need one. And when I do, there’s not much point in writing anything down, because my handwriting is so bad I can’t read what I wrote down an hour later….
As to the LEFTY (hand) issue–I’m a lefty and have never had issue with pens or paper or awkward looking handwriting (in fact, I get compliments on my handwritiing all the time). I simply turn the paper perpendicular to my body and “draw” the pen toward me as I write.
That way, my wrist stays straight, and I’m not smudging my writing as some lefties do: some lefties crook their wrist so that they’re writing from above the line–it looks terribly uncomfortable and the wrrting often looks just pain terrible!!
Thanks for the writing utensil tips TRex!
montag - I hear that. maybe if I had a nice pen I wouldn’t chew on it.
Trex, Well, now I can’t toddle off. That Visconti Wall Street is lovely, and evokes the classic Parker Vacuumatic celluloid.
Samwoman @ 202
In the last fountain pen post, I mentioned that I have done the same thing since a few weeks into the first grade. And that it got me into trouble during tests because teachers always thought I was showing my answers to the person next to me.
The answer, of course, would have been to put me on the extreme left-hand row of desks, but that would mess up alphabetical seating plans.
montag @ 202
I started using fountain pens again because my handwriting was getting so bad with ballpoints. My grandfather always called ballpoints “grease pens” and always used a fountain pen. The grease-based ink of the ballpoint just doesn’t work for me. My hand gets lazy. When I started using a fountain pen that I had to hold correctly and slow down a bit with, my handwriting really improved. And I spent enough money on the pens that I’ve never lost one. I wrecked a couple of nice ones in a rollover car accident, but that’s another story.
RevJen @
181
The Moleskine sketchbook has thicker paper than the notebooks - might work better. Personally, I haven’t had bleedthrough with Moleskine notebooks and my cheapie Pelican fountain pen.
j
RevJen @ 205
Exactly. I saw one of those Parkers and asked about the price and HOOBOY! Yeah, maybe when I’m reincarnated as a member of the House of Saud. So, I saw the Visconti and it’s…oh!
Still, it’s like $500. That’s a lot of freakin’ money.
I wish some clever Chinese company like Taccia would rip off that design and sell it for a hundred bucks.
Maybe we can form an elaborate plot to steal a Wall Street together.
I remember that we had to “graduate” to being allowed to use pens in school. Of course by “pen” I mean fountain pen. (Back when I was a child, TRex’s relatives roamed the earth, and there were no 19 cent ball points.) For a few months in 3rd grade, we all had blue stains inside the first knuckle of our middle finger. And using my favorite peacock blue ink was taboo with the nuns. Blue or black ink was OK. They weren’t even too comfortable with midnight blue.
via watertiger:
Maybe we can form an elaborate plot to steal a Wall Street together.
ahem *coughing loudly*
/snickering
TRex @ 209
TRex, I just looked at Swisher Pens, and they don’t list a discounted price. That’s probably because their contract with Visconti won’t let them show a price that’s lower than retail. They generally discount about 30%, though. It’d be worth an email to them.
It’s really expensive to create that horizontally-striped celluloid, or so I’ve heard.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 148
me too.
oops, sorry mod(s)
this guy gives pens a bad name.
You have no idea how many sweet, sweet people I know still think of Sheaffer Peacock Blue ink is just the height of naughty fun. Rebellion in a little bottle. I find that the classic turquoise is pretty eye-punishing for long reads. Right now I am trying out PR Blue Suede in cartridges and it’s kind of a satisfying dark aqua. It has elements of the peacock without the retinal damage.
punaise @ 215
Yeah, knock it off. One W is enough.
punaise @ 214
And the French, too. Funny, the most fascist guy in France is the one that the French-hating right wing here admires most.
Odd how that works, eh?
RevJen,
Welcome to FDL! We need all the clerical help we can get here. I read part of one of your blogposts. I take it to be a sermon of sorts. You write well. You must be right-handed, otherwise you probably wouldn’t collect fountain pens.
It’s fuckin’ sexy as hell.
It caught my eye eons ago and I wanted it immediately, so it MUST be ridiculously expensive.
Sigh.
TRex @ 216
I love Blue Suede. It’s almost a teal color.
Ed*ard Teller @ 219
Thanks, Ed*ward. Yep. I’m one of them preacher types. And right-handed, too.
Boy, that rings some far-off bell in my head. I wonder who I heard in my family call ballpoints “grease pens”. Are you from the south, Rev?
Patrick 4/4 @ 218
what can I say: sorry for the bogus high pearl ink.
(where you been dude? you’ve been mist around here)
Anyone have any experience with the Pelican M200 Tradition
I read a very favorable review
Pelikan Souveran 200
punaise @ 198
Me, too, but I like the fatties…
uniBall GEL impact RT, 1.0mm, about $1.15…
Deadeye Dick is on C-span snarling to an applauding audience - just said President Bush is a man of principle to far too much applause.
American Conservative PAC forum -
aghhhhhhh -
just dished President Gore’s Inconvenient Truth to laughter and more applause
“It’s been an honor to be with you tonight” he snarled” and left the podium to a standing ovation.”
I’m gonna hit the hay and catch Jon and Cobert.
Thanks TRex and all for another memorable late nite.
TRex @
217
Can you still buy the Sheaffer cartridge fountain pens I used to use back in the ’60s?
Working in studios, about the only pens I use are Sharpies. But I truly love a good smooth mechanical pencil.
montag @ 219
Le Pen really is bad news. I guess the common root of xenophobia trumps the freedom fry thing.
*Mod note: I don’t know why this tripped the filter - the last one was obvious but I haven’t figured out the why of this one***
Trex,
I’m from the Upper Midwest and my grandfather was from Ohio.
hpschd,
I like the Pelikan Souveran series, though the 200 is a bit small for my hand. Pelikans are reliable workhorses with a wide variety of nib choices, all of which tend to be very smooth with good flow.
newspaperbrat @ 226
Ah, so, the Bund is in town….
hpschd @ 225
You know, it’s lovely, but once again, gold fittings. Like their blue ocean pen, just gorgeous, but blue and gold? Neine danke.
punaise @ 225
Office reorganization and learning a new job while still doing my old one. Re-wiring the synapses has taken about everything I’ve got.
I’ve done a couple of comment-and-runs, but not much.
Thanks for the mist. I’ve been vapor.
newspaperbrat - you could even watch “Your Future as a Real Estate Mogul” or “The Amazing Ab-Cruncher”, anything to scrub Cheney from your mental picture before going to bed.
Patrick 4/4 @ 233
cables…at which church?
(vapor pew)
which wingnut should this little fella be mascot for?
punaise @ 232
I am at this moment trying to watch the most recent FRONTLINE about news reporting (this is, on dial-up, a several-hour experience), and after howling out loud over the comments of the president of ABC News, I could probably use a few minutes of Popeil advertising m’self. :)
punaise @ 235
Thanks, I’ll sit. I’ve got the vespers.
SteveAudio @ 229
This site talks about cheap pens. I have one of the Sheaffer
pens he mentions. It was my second fountain pen, the red Shaeffer cartridge pen. Mine is red too, still works, leaks a bit tho’
hpschd @ 239
In 8th grade, in ‘62, I felt quite the rebel when I discovered green ink!
Yes.
Sheaffer School Pen.
Patrick 4/4 @ 236
In that case, here, please, sit down on my chaste longue.
TRex @ 241
Thank you!
montag @ 242
I bet you say that to all the girls.
Driving from one college to another this evening, I was listening to fired NM US Atty David Iglesias on NPR’s ATC. Two things:
First, I was struck by how on-the-edge-of-hostile the NPR interviewer was toward Iglesias. It wasn’t just that the interviewer couldn’t ask more germaine questions, it was the sense that she wanted to catch the slimed prosecutor in something, but the interviewer had no skill.
Secondly, the Libby case is only the prelude to the upcoming multi-act opera about Justice Department investigatory coverups and intentional falsehoods sworn under oath by DOJ and executive officials. Hopefully, at the end of the third act, we’ll have a whole chorus of generously proportioned sopranos merrily singing a new anthem toward honesty.
talk a monk’s yourselves, but leave nothing to chants: domini pro-biscuits
punaise @ 234
Definitely, definitely, definitely Michelle Malkin.
Ed*ard Teller @ 245
From your mouth to Goddess’s ears.
punaise @ 246
Holy crap!
Well, this time, I’m not kidding around. G’night.
That’s it for me tonight. G’nite folks.
As someone who has never used a fountain pen outside of a funeral home, can someone educate me on how the cartridge versus bottle ink issue works? What are the advantages of one versus another?
Ed*ard Teller @ 245
The NPR kids are badly spooked and will bend themselves into pretzel shapes to appear not-liberal. They take on Grand Inquisitor overtones with anyone left of Thomas Friedman. They were just appalling interviewing Jimmy Carter about his book on the mideast.
TREX
I though I was the only one who loved talking about pens, finally, finally found you guys!
I learned so much from you Trex. You’re so into writing I am fascinated about this subject. Its my 3rd post - 2nd post to brendan — the newby here at the lake. Started yesterday when you gave us the invite to come out of the shadows.
Where do they sell this Arista pen. I’m going to buy one? I’m in SF bay area. Know of any places? Costco maybe?
RevJen @ 249
Good night, dear new friend!!
Hope you’ll come back around.
punaise @ 235
Wolfowitz…
punaise @ 244
Pro-biscuits? Barry Bonds eats those, doesn’t he?
SteveAudio @ 249
Odelay pro nobis.
RevJen @
231
I like the idea of a piston filler and I think that the screw cap is a good idea. My old Esterbrook has a screw cap. I’m nostalgic about the lever filler - the nuns didn’t ever let us fill our own pens, so I get this guilty pleasure from filling it myself.
The Esterbrook J also has an easily replacable nib - if only I could find some of them.
G’night RevJen
Patrick 4/4 @ 254
Boy, ain’t that the truth! thanks, Ken Tomlinson!
montag @ 257
Pro-boscis? Who nose.
Patrick 4/4 @ 259
“I got two turntables and a fountain pen”
Patrick 4/4 @ 256
Oh, DeLay, turn pro, or no biz….
Alicia @ 260
Wow, good memory! They all sound the same to me now - kind of soy latte decaf frapuccino with reverb.
Patrick 4/4 @ 258
I’m a pretty smart guy, but fast wits like you and punaise amaze me. My mind, sadly, isn’t that agile.
Pat C,
I commented about NPR’s incredibly rude treatment of Carter here right after I heard the interview. It was one of the low points in the history of the network. But I have to admit that every day I hear something on NPR which forces my hand to contribute once again when the pledge drive comes around.
punaise @ 262
and i’m choking on the splinters.
Ben Domenech has a proboscis?
Alright, bedtime for this dino. Time to get back on the heating pad.
Any popcorn left?
Patrick 4/4 @ 268
you make a garbage man scream
ooh, ooh, ooh, peaches and cream
SteveAudio @ 265
It’s all sub-standard wiring and lowered inhibitions.
and busted zigs, and egging on
TRex @ 269
sorry to trash the place with cheap pens and cheaper puns. good night, TRex.
hey, Jacqrat…
SteveAudio @ 249
Can I get a Hallelujah!
Praise Her Name!
Let Her hear you !
Ipunaise @ 272
I got monitor real estate and I’m willing to use it.
Patrick 4/4 @ 276
don’t get merry, Mac
FiniFiniTOOBZ!
I’ve mostly used cartridges, but lately, with my renewed interest in fountain pens I prefer bottled ink. I never liked having to throw the empties away and sometimes it was hard to find new ones. There seem to be a lot more colors available in bottled ink.
I am so pleased that my original lever-fill school pen from 1956 still holds ink without leaking.
Scary weather here in Toronto tonight.
Snow, wind, freezing rain rattling the windows - thunder and lightning!!
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @183: it’s funny, but “Until the End of the World,” and “the German movie from years ago that Meg Ryan butchered” (and which happens to be my favorite movie of all time), are both by Wim Wenders. “Wings of Desire” is the name of the latter one. It won best picture at Cannes in 1989. Not all of the movies with Nick Cave songs are good, though. I seem to remember that the “Scream” movies used “Red Right Hand” as the primary theme.
As for my favorite pen of all time? The Pelikan Souveran 600, medium point. It’s not the prettiest, nor the least expensive (though Fahrney’s frequently has it discounted), but for the heavy use to which I subject my pens (all fountain, all bottle-fill), it’s the only one that never EVER impedes the process of putting thought to paper. And that’s the most important thing.
I use Waterman inks. They have a really wonderful rosewater-scented ink for writing love letters that I wonder if any of you have ever tried. I like M. Galo paper for letters, but Mead makes a tablet of translucent, unlined paper that comes with the lined guide as somebody mentioned above. It’s very cheap and easy to find. Most of my writing goes on in grid paper Moleskines, with green ink. I’ve never had the problems that RevJen mentions at 181.
This has been a nice break from the politics. Thanks everyone, for sharing your pen fetishes.
newtonusr @
257
good call
punaise @ 276
Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. That’s an ironclad guarantee.
And how did you know I was using a Mac?
Hey, Punaise!
before I shuffle down the hall:
Patrick 4/4 @ 281
Because you’re SMART, silly!
Patrick 4/4 @ 281
I was Sher,man.
falasafa @ 279
“Until the End of the World”
Ohhh I love that movie.
punaise @ 279
I gotta go with Jean Schmidt.
punaise @ 277
Yeah, I can kinda see a Wolfowitz nose and ears in that, but I went with Malkin because of the eyes.
punaise @ 235
LOL - good advice - am off to dreamland with visions of Fitzmas Day coming our way any day.
;~)
Jacqrat @ 283
Smart, silly, and…?
Set the wayback machine for 1959, Sherman
Jacqrat @ 291
tanks, Jacqrat
I think punaise and Patrick 4/4 are confederates in this mess.
Hey, what do you put on a burn? I just spilled boiling water on my hand.
Reverse Barometer @ 294
Cold water, let it run
cold water
punaise @ 282
I’ll bet being Sherman was sheer torch-`er.
cold Reverse Barometer @ 294
water. ice. NOTHING GREASY. it keeps in the heat
Did that right away. Didn’t know if it’s enough. The burn’s visible. Glad this ER is open this late.
later, aloe vera. it’ll keeps pulling the heat out and lessens the chance of scarring.
Reverse Barometer @ 291
Cool water, lots of it.
mutzali @ 293
what’s my line?: I’m Mason to his Dixon…
take care of that hand, RBarom
bucket of ice water…
OMG BBC world service has the founder of convervapedia on air..
Not sure I have aloe vera. It really hurts and worries me because its an arm that doesn’t have many lumph nodes (breast cancer); can’t get it infected.
punaise @ 301
And we draw the line at San Luis Obispo.
Rbarom - if it blisters stop typing and go to a real ER.
Reverse Barometer @ 293
Alcohol.
Taken internally, of course.
Reverse Barometer @ 301
Put it under running cool water and keep it there. The idea is to get the heat out of the tissues so the underlying ones aren’t damaged. If you don’t have aloe around, use liquid vitamin E. It helped me once on a third-degree burn when I couldn’t get to the hospital.
Biafine for burns?
SteveAudio, I have one hand in ice water. If I hold a glass in the other hand, how will I type?
And we draw the line at San Luis Obispo
didn’t realize at the time I was on the front lines at Cal Poly. Imaginot that.
smapdi @ 300
Great. The rest of the world thinks we’re stupid enough as it is. More proof.
I gotta go with Jean Schmidt.
i dunno...
Reverse Barometer @ 308
Got any straws? Chardonnay a la FlexStraw.
What kind of pen
wouldwill Irving Lewis Libby use to, say, sign an agreement to give Fitz his full cooperation in exchange for a lighter sentence once he has been found guilty on all counts?wonder what kind of pen Fitz likes.
As a guy who likes to write, I have always had a thing about the pens I used. When I moved here to Sweden, I decided to retro back to the fountain pens that I used learning the Palmer Method in grammar school. I wanted a pen that would be utalitarian and be used everwhere and all the time. Made in France, the Waterman is a plain black pen using cartridges for about 80 bucks USD. There is a joy to writing with “real” ink that cannot be expressed to those who just scribble with a ball point. Do you not find that you write more precise and your thoughts are clearer when put to paper? There’s a feeling of continuing a lineage of writing dating back through the centuries. Oh, where are the Esterbrooks of my childhood?
As long as there are only a few of us, I’ll do a little blogwhoring.
I just put up #2 in what will continue as a series on under appreciated guitarists.
#1: Rory Gallagher
#2: John Cippolina
punaise @ 309
I was gonna say Half Moon Bay, but that’s encroaching on Banana Slug territory.
Ojai? Hi right back.
And good night all.
yellowdog jim @
314
Libby’s going to the Pen, one hopes. the Big House. Sing Sing without the bling bling.
If you have to cover the burn so you can eventually get some sleep without wincing everytime you brush against it, use very loose gauze–nothing that will trap heat in. Years ago everybody used stuff like Unguentine (burn ointment in a fire-extinguisher shaped bottle) that just trapped in the heat.
Patrick 4/4 @ 317
thanks for Solvang that riddle. I’m out too. our work is dumb here.
yellowdog jim @ 311
Umm, Federal, I would guess.
SteveAudio @ 313
Yup, Cippolina deserves more credit. Always liked what he did in Quicksilver.
I’d probably put Bert Jansch on that list, too. Not well-known here, but damned good fingers.
punaise @ 318
one hopes his punishment has a limit to his use of pens, or e-mail, for that matter. Here’s what Bob Ney had to say to his friends before he went off to jail,
hello,
i will not have access to e mail so this will be my last for awhile. i wanted to drop you a short e mail to give you my address:
robert ney
inmate number 28882-016
fci morgantown
446 greenbag road
route 857
morgantown, west virginia 26501
Linda @
255
Try Flax Art & Design in the City.
newtonusr @ 257
“The world’s most hideous endangered species” is a great tagline for wingnuts in general!
montag @ 321
Good call. I learned his “Angie” many years ago. He and Renbourne really started the prog folk movement in the UK.
SteveAudio @ 323
I tried, but, not ever learning to pick with thumb and three fingers made it virtually impossible to do right. *sigh*
Mutzali, if I get a straw and start drinking (see SteveAudio’s advice), I won’t have any trouble sleeping. I have some advice too: never underestimate how hot microwaved water is.
About pens: I love them, consider them works of art and can get tres emotional about them. Until these new fangled things called computers came along, I used them regularly. The kind you fill from an ink well. But now I’m so keyboard dependent, I actually have trouble when I have to do anything in cursive. It’s hard to control the pen. Maybe I’ll make a shadow box display of my oldest pens.
Redshift @ 322
Umm, I don’t think they’re endangered yet, not by a long shot. But, we might get lucky if they keep denying global warming. They don’t seem to evolve at all quickly…. :)
montag @ 326
I started playing classical pretty early on, and during the folk years of the ’60s, started playing “hybrid” style. I used to teach students that anything you could do with thumb and 1 & 2, you could do with a pick, and 2 & 3.
Sadly, with a spinal cord injury, I can’t do it as well as I used to.
Steve Howe is really a master of hybrid picking, IMO.
Just found a pen store in Toronto
Laywine’s
They appear to have lots of good stuff: pens, ink, paper, journals, notebooks, etc.
I’ll check them out and report back
Is own ever allowed to try pens before purchase?
Whoa. 2:50am where I am. I haven’t been reading much today. Any discussion about Olbermann interviewing Valerie Plame? Saw this over ar DU.
www.kintera.org/site/apps/ka/r.....gPWKmI1KpK
Ed*ard Teller @ 323
i want to let him use all and every means that Fitz agrees to, to provide his evidence and testimony to further the investigation to the highest levels.
if he sing sings good, i say let him have the bling bling and a day at the park.
so long as he sells shooter and shrub down the river.
SteveAudio @ 327
Umm, that’s a better excuse than my saying that I forced myself as a lefty to play right-handed with a bunch of broken and jammed fingers from too much football and basketball. :)
I haven’t been playing much since I got chronic tendonitis in my thumbs–makes gripping the neck for any length of time problematic, especially with a twelve-string.
montag @ 321
(ka dum bump!)
thank you
Hey montag,
for reasons not immediately clear, I wasn’t able to post a comment over at your place.
Just wanted to say “Well said, my friend” for your latest post.
montag @ 333
I understand, my 12 string languishes, rarely played.
Arthritis is a bitch. Having said that, look at the various Segovia YouTubes available. That fat fuck was able to rock right up until the end, with his little sausage fingers.
SteveAudio @ 333
Thanks. That’s odd. I resisted as long as possible, but Blogger forced me to move to new Blogger, and the comment settings might have changed. I’ll check to see if those were boogered in the move.
yellowdog jim @ 333
and may the scooter be paid in
sticksstyx…montag @ 337
I switched to the new Google blogger a few months back, and it all went really smoothly.
And whereas I used to have 1 in 10 posts eaten by blogger, that hasn’t happened in quite some time.
So I guess that’s progress.
Ed*ard Teller @ 338
Please, please, PLEASE! No “Come Sail Away” lyrics.
SteveAudio - Do you have Buck Dharma of BOC on any of your lists?
Steve Audio, did you ever hear Five Philpin? I think he has played in LA — but he’s mostly active in Seattle.
bmaz @ 341
Not yet, but that’s a good call. I remember playing “Don’t Fear The Reaper” as the only guitarist in a 4 piece cover band, that got pretty tricky. And the danged B-3 player really didn;t help much.
Reverse Barometer @ 342
No, I’ll look him up.
SteveAudio @ 336
worked for me And i got to beat ya to it!
heh!
montaq rocks.
Manufacturing War, At Home and Abroad….
i try to blog some, but you guys write.
montaq and steve audio and brendan … i mumble some but, y’all rock!
SA@345 - Reaper ok, but I much prefer the Red And The Black Album and Secret Treaties.
yellowdog jim @ 345
Wow. Thanks, thats really kind, and generous!
SteveAudio @ 337
Correction–that was yellowdogjim’s comment that showed up, just very slowly. (Thanks!)
So, SA, don’t know what happened with yours. But, the comment feature still works.
montag @ 348
Cool.
Well, folks, I gotta get some sleep. Nice visiting with you all!
SteveAudio: I just did a google search. He has samples on cd baby’s site (the name he has there is 5track). He writes a lot of his songs and that is why I started paying attention to him (I’m more into the words than the playing). I really like Godless Weather. Reminds me of Dylan.
Reverse Barometer @ 350
Thanks!
Reverse Barometer @ 350
Oh, how’s the hand doing?
Hand feels better, thanks. I stood in the kitchen letting the water run on it per some suggestions here and that helped a lot.
Secret Treaties by BOC is my favorite 70s rock guitar album. Dominance and Submission is one of the best songs ever written. Its a stone groove, my man!
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 354
Haven’t listened in a long time, but I will.
Thanks!
Sorry I missed ya Steve, take care my friend!
SteveAudio @
348
yeah, i slipped up there.
i’ll get over it.
‘Cause I can play this here guitar, Pt. 2 rocks, i mean it just flows with your enthusiasm for your subject and it just took right back to that place.
very sweet.
thanks.
yellowdog jim @ 343
Thanks. Like everyone else here, I’ll get back to it a bit more when the Libby trial comes to a close, I suppose.
The important thing is to keep in mind that, as Gore Vidal has suggested about his recent books, that blogs are just the modern-day equivalent of pamphleteering. This is our printing press. This is how we get the public to think about issues of the day.
Sometimes those pamphlets get read, sometimes the wind blows them into the grille of a Buick and sometimes, some idiot wipes his ass with one, but the ideas still get out. :)
FFTOOBZ and SA - I got to cut out also; lets pick up this conversation another time. You both exhibit impeccable taste I must say.
sweet dreams are made of
bmaz @ 359
Cheers!
yellowdog jim @ 360
this?
bmaz @ 360
Absolutely!
Valley Girl @ 7
So? Learn to write RIGHT handed. The wingnuts would appreciate your effort.
GNight firepups!
wOW THE LATE NIGHT CROWD PACKS IT IN! 367
I just finished watching Little Miss Sunshine. It was fun. It’ll make you remember what it felt like to be a kid, a teenager, deflated, lost, found, a member of family member. The cast is good. Rent it. It’s out on DVD. MORE INFO
Mornin’.
…………coffee?
funluvn @
365
. . . and so would those who pine for an old-school Catholic education. (WHHHACK uspside the head by Sister Mary Elephant as he switches hands . . .)
slainte,
cl
egregious @ 369
Yes please, but I’m taking mine in the car now. Off to do the daycare drop then to toil.
Have a good day and may lady Justice look down on us with wisdom.
slainte,
cl
egregious @ 369
. . . oh, and guess what!
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/foreca.....p;site=BTVsafe driving fellow travelers . . .
[Puts on helmet… bullet proof vest]
Imus is just great: won’t let up on Walter Reid.
They’re going crazy about Anna Nicole’s procession to the airport.
Next up: Joe Leiberman
His show is must-see.
Medic!!!!
Good morning, pups. Fresh coffee and tea for anyone who would like some, and raisin bread. The toaster’s over there, and if you’re like me and like yours with cream cheese there’s some on the counter.
The NYT has Thomas Friedman on “The Silence that Kills” and Paul Krugman explains to us that John Murtha didn’t cause the market to drop. (Apparently some rocket scientist actually said that…)
http://mgpaquin.blogspot.com/
It poured down rain here yesterday, with high winds. Today we’re in for more rain, and areas to the west of here have tornado watches posted. Stay safe and dry today.
Ahhh…the only night I go to bed at a reasonable hour and our therapod covers pens.
[sigh]
Haven’t cracked my Mauna Keas out of their boxes yet, don’t want to until I can find a decent pen case. I’m afraid I’ll glom onto these pens, throw them into my purse and scuff them up (not being appropriately “equipped” to put them in the pocket of my shirt).
TRex is right about the slippery feel of gold nibs; the softer the gold, the more slippery they are. 10K is nice if you can find it and don’t mind gold appearance.
So…what’s on tap today? Kids have a half day of school here, you know what I’ll be doing: shuttling kids.
Marion—
Thanks for the coffee. Much needed.
Guess it looked like I was offering above lol.
Rayne,
Did Marcy go back to MI?
Too bad Libby isn’t from Maine. Then Wells could say give him back to ME.
Mornin’ all!
What up?
In the Olden Days, we would have known the outcome of trial through various means. One popular way would be having the priests sacrifice various small critters and reading their entrails - yup, that curve of the intestines certainly tells me he is guilty. Hey guys you can start stoning them now. Or the American favorite way was/is to spread the cash around. The American Way does usually guarrantee certain results but not necessarily truthful ones. Usually one of the parties involved is not concerned about the truth anyway so that works fine for them.
And then we have the Waiting Game that sometimes stretches the patience of all involved. I would recommend that the folks blogging this and reading this stock up on crossword puzzles, jigsaw puzzles, good books, cases of beer and such to help the days go by faster. Make sure you have plenty of clean underwar too just in case this goes until Hell freezes over.
Marion -
Paul Krugman explains to us that John Murtha didn’t cause the market to drop. (Apparently some rocket scientist actually said that…)
It was a republic rep ? senator (didn’t pay attention to name), per the idiot box.
UFO science key to halting climate change: former Canadian defense minister
I’m all about the Tombo ZOOM cartridge pen (and all it’s offshoots)… weighty and balanced, substantial enough that I don’t feel like I’m squeezing to hold it… the cartridges flow well and aren’t insanely expensive, plus they come in a handful of ink colors (indigo, anyone?)
is that on topic?
Hi TRex,
A TRex with a bad back must be a lot like a giraffe with a sore throat. There’s a lot there to hurt! I hope you are feeling better.
As for our pensive moments… I have favored a fiber tip for a long time, but loved my Waterman fountain pen for its smooth flow of ink across the page. Sadly, it has failed, and now I am reduced to a Pilot Razor Point. Even sadder, they no longer make those! So, Froogle has helped me find both the Monteverde fountain and its fiber tip mate, both clearly beautiful. Thanks for the tip!
R in B
Marion in Savannah @ 374
Good Morning, Marion. I’m glad you’re safe — the South took a beating and you’re expecting more? Enterprise, AL. I have a soft spot for Enterprise, since it’s next to Fort Rucker, where I received my training for my job in the Army (Nat’l Guard).
In more news, the House Juciciary Committee issued subpoenas to 4 of the fired U.S. Attorneys, to inquire about the administration’s firing of them. Good.
And Fitz has lost one of his best assistants in Chicago, Asst. US Attorney Patrick Collins. Bummer. Glad for Collins. But I’m sorry the job ends up being so costly.
Enterprise, Alabama got hit by a hurricane, which demolished a school. I wish I could do “edit” on my posts. Anybody ever have this problem, and solve it?
sticky @
384
Nice looking pen, that Tombo…do you have a favorite store to purchase that?
Maybe the edit function is still turned off?
Nope, it’s not, maybe a browser issue?
egregious @
377
Haven’t heard yet, egregious, although I thought I’d read last that she had an early flight.
Looks like the weather between here and there cooperated, she should have clear skies all the way. Some light precip in DTW right now, but it may clear up by the time she arrives, probably a bit of wind on descent.
Joe Lie on Imus…
Thanks, Raven. Yep, it must be something to do with my IE6 settings. I have it set to accept cookies, which was one proposed problem.
I think it’s gonna be today. Just guessing of course.
Good morning all.
On the subject of pens, someone above asked about the Namiki vanishing point fountain pens. I have had one for about 7 years or so and it is my favorite pen. No puddles of ink. No hassling with a cap to lose or throw it off balance. Writes beautifully. Got the fine point which I prefer. It is not overly fine.
twolf1 @ 391
Too bad Imus gave him the “heads up” about a rant on Walter Reed; would love to have heard what the twit would have said if caught unaware.
twolf1 @
391
I’m afraid he’ll hurt my sleepy little eyes…
is the coffee ready yet?
There is no worse way to start the day than with JoeLIE. My contempt for them man is equal to that of punaise and will be as long lasting.
T-Rex–
Wow! A “nothin’” post that gets 400 comments! Good thing you didn’t do “Post-It” notes. Wudda killed the server.
Approaching 400 comments here. You think y’all can keep it down? The jury’s sleepin.
400!
Waccamaw @ 395
I guess calling Leiberman “a lying son of a bitch . . .waving pom pons about this stupid war” is a heads up.
This is a nice graphic of Libbygate from the NYT
Libby
I guess no one is expecting a verdict today?
Egregious is expecting a verdict. I’m feeling like if they asked to be released early, then they didn’t feel like they’d be done by 2:00. Or done at all….
Good Morning Morning Crew,
EGREGIOUS !!!
walk those peep toes in there and bring us out a verdict (clutches magic dragon blogging light, strokes verdict troll) and preferably before 1pm EST :)
OldCoastie @ 403
I think that the fact that the judge agreed to let them go a 2pm means there won’t be.
From Jeralyn’s TalkLeft
which Firepup will be hired as Casting Director?
TalkLeft - Libby Trial
ccmask:
The NASA wasting money developing a pen and the Russians using a pencil is a piece of total right-wing anti-government bunk. Check Snopes!
Basically, pencils suck for space use - if the lead breaks, you have a tiny sharp projectile floating around the cabin. Plus, the sharpening problem.
Basically, a guy named Fisher who owned a pen company decided to, on his own dime, make a zero gravity. (Spent about $1million 1960s.) He donated the pen to NASA and became very wealthy selling them to everyone else. (Including the Russian space program.)
You can buy them at Staples for about $15. My husband swears by his. You can write with them from any angle, including upside down! The cap comes off to form the bottom half of the pen, which makes the pen half the size of a normal one. The ends are rounded, which means a gentleman can carry it in his front pocket without risk of, ahem, damage.
Amazing where you can find wingnut fantasies repeated, eh?
raven -
I listen to Imus infrequently (weak stomach, don’cha know *g*) but somewhere I got the idea that the I-head just luuuuuuuvvvvvved Liarman. Only reason I’ve been keeping an ear on him lately is b/c his rants re. W.R. are such a drastic MSM change; plus he’s also been gagging on the Anna N. debacle…….guess everyone *does* have some positive points.
new thread
new thread up top
I have two fountain pens. Both are Sheaffers. One is an 18 carat gold filigree from the early 1960’s and the other is stainless steel from the 70’s. Wouldn’t trade them for one of these transparent jobs for anything. I also still use the heavy lead holders favoured by architects. Can’t stand anything plastic. For everyday use I use a Speedball nib-holder and various nibs and a bottle of ink. Old fashioned but a lot of class in those writing instruments.
I never knew pens could be so sexy!
TRex,
Late to the conversation, but I’m a pen snob. I’ve got about 200 fountain pens (150 old, 50 new). A great site to explore is fountainpenhospital.com. And as for the best writing pen ever at the best price, it has to be Pelikan. Stop getting by with the cheap pens and buy yourself a bottlesucker.
About superficial burns– my Dad, as well as a chef I worked with both recommended
peeing directly on the burn. I know it sounds gross, but it actually works almost
instantly. Urine is sterile.
Always nice to hear about fountain pens, and the links you give are solid. I see some questions about stores in various cities: Glen Marcus maintains a list of stores (http://www.marcuslink.com/pens/review2.html). Some additional reliable net retailers are Jim Mamoulides (penhero.com) (he has an extensive list of links) and Sam Fiorella (pendemonium.com) (lots of writing ephemera). Other good sources of info are pentrace.net, stylophilesonline.com, and the Zoss pen list, and, of course, the master nib-meisters Richard Binder (RichardsPens.com) and John Mottishaw. A “Binderized” pen is an order of magnitude better than one off the shelf. Like many people, I went through a manic fountain pen buying phase, eventually determining the kind of shape, weight, vintage and nib I prefer. Although I have quite a few pricier pens, the ones I tend to use regularly are mid-60s/early 70s lower-priced models like the Parker 45 (a great cheap pen)and the Sheaffer Imperial (quite underrated). This preference is probably due to the fact that I am of the same vintage as these pens, in the same way that I still prefer the Beatles. As to traditional stores, in NYC, Art Brown is the place to go IMHO - Fountain Pen Hospital and Joon are good stores, but they don’t discount as much. But the best source for pens is other users going through their own cycle of purchase/purge.
You can send me the color ink cartridges if they have not already been spoken for and I am looking forward to getting a demonstrator Monteverde Artista.
I have a couple of waterman Phileas pens. I bought them for my wife to use red and green ink for Christmas cards. I have a number of other pens and my favorite is a Pelican that I bought on sale. It is so lignt and smooth. My most interesting pen is the Pilot disappearing nib. The nib retracts like a ball point and it has a nice feel. I think it was around $100. I can’t wait to try your recommendations. My cheapest is an A&W SizzlesStix. It is a $1.99 plastic cartridge pen that still works great after a decade. I have not seen them since I bought a couple at the drugstore years ago. The cap cracked on the second one.
Thank you for giving voice to my own quirky habit–the only conscious affectation that I picked up after law school. I am (personally) a big fan of the Cross ATX family (steel nibs), but have had mixed results as the quaility has been inconsistent. These pens will NOT last a lifetime, but will last two years at least being used every day (and I mean every day). My son just got ahold of mine and I have no idea what he did with it, so I’m in the market for a new one. As these sound much less expensive, I’m gonna go take a look.
Thanks!
Damn, I missed a pen thread?
I’d say go for the Sheaffer Admiral as a starter pen. They’re fifty years old, but if you get one that’s been restored or well-maintained, they’ll write for another fifty. They’re from the period where ballpoints were still expensive and often messy, and the FP was still the workhorse of the office: you get the Sheaffer Admiral and the lovely (if finicky) Snorkel and the Parker 51 and the cheap-as-chips Esterbrooks, that really aren’t bad if you have a good (9000-series) nib. They may not be as pretty as the 1930s celluloids, but they represent a period of American manufacture where mass-production and precision engineering combined gloriously.
Otherwise, look to continental Europe for modern kit, where FPs are still used in school: a good Geha or low-end Pelikan is likely to be better-made than many chunky executive glitz pens (yes, I own a Mont Blanc 146 as well). The Pelikano school pens are very not bad. And TRex has reminded me that I ought to stick a few spare Kultur demonstrators on eBay.
My own favourite pens are older: a Pelikan 100N; a lovely Eversharp Skyline from the mid-1940s; a couple of lovely Sheaffers; a 1920s Waterman #25, a gorgeous Moore Safety Pen with the flexiest nib that I can only really use as a dip pen. In other news, George W. Bush uses a Sharpie.
RevDeb @ 397
Oh, can I puhleeeese join the party? I haven’t yet found a scale to measure my own contempt - do I qualify? ;)
TRex:
I too am dismayed that I missed a TRex pen thread, being a calligrapher and a stone cold Rotring 1.5 nib calligraphy pen junkie.
It started years ago, as a kid, when I was given an Osmiroid calligraphy pen set as a birthday present. Since then, it’s been all downhill.
Now believe me, I’ve never been a Mont Blanc snob or a Pelikan queen. They seemed too expensive a habit for me to get next to on a college student budget. But then Sheaffer came out with a calligraphy fountain pen and we were in business!! However, the tell-tale signs of leaked cartridge ink was giving away my cover and I was soon shamed into hand-hiding because of those unsightly ink marks on my knuckles!
Maturing into adulthood, I graduated to my career-defining moment of accepting a Parker calligraphy set into my life. I had found redemption. My staff had even given it a nickname: “Big Blue”, as it was the pen I used to sign contracts for our department.
The moment I lost Big Blue, my career life spiralled out of control. I quit my $80k job and found meaningful life with freelancing and that’s when Rotring came into my life. I had found a steady relationship!
Now Rotring and I are partnered, joined at the first knuckle of my middle finger, never to leave me again.
It takes maturity to find one’s true pen soul mate, but once established, you know you’re meant to be together and all anxieties about dating other pens or being put out again into the pen market cease. You’re home.
You rock! Can I tell you a pen story? In 1978 I was in college and I carried a pen with an ink bottle and rag. I put it on the table, fill the pen, wipe it and the professor picks the rag up and holds it in the air…HIER IST DIE KUNST! (here is art).
Wolfy
When my Mom could no longer use her beloved Waterman due to advancing arthritis, I bought her a few Tombo variations, since they were big enough for her to hold onto confidently. She loved them.
Reverse Barometer, how’s the hand?
I know this is an EPU thingie, but I blame the patriarchical timezones.
Someone up there was asking about thin writing paper with a sorta guidelines that you slip underneath your surface.In my youth, I recall they were always from Basildon Bond, so I googled and B Bond Airmail writing pads are available from Amazon at a very fair price. Check out their home site also.Lovely paper.(Sorry-can’t do links).
Enjoy.
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