
As we wait for the jury to deliberate, I think it is time we all admit that our Vice President — who is at the heart of this trial — is seriously insane. On the heels of the off-his-meds Blitzer bit, he is making himself an international menace of Dr. Strangelovian proportions. Honorary blogger (and FDL Libby trial companion) Sidney Blumenthal:
At Cheney's direction, intelligence was skewed to suggest links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida. Over the past year, as that intelligence was exposed as false and, worse, as disinformation, Cheney has defended the conflation of threats through a contrivance of illogic, also routinely repeated by Bush: "We were not in Iraq on September 11th, 2001, and the terrorists hit us anyway."
Cheney's implication that the U.S. presence in Iraq cannot possibly be an inspiration for terrorism is simply not shared at the highest levels of the senior military, including commanders on the ground in Iraq. I have learned that they are privately reading, circulating, and in agreement with a new article written by terrorism experts Peter Bergen and Paul Cruickshank, senior fellows at the New York University Center on Law and Security. (Bergen is also a fellow at the New America Foundation. For purposes of full disclosure, I am also a senior fellow at the NYU Center.) Their article, "The Iraq Effect: War Has Increased Terrorism Sevenfold Worldwide," published in Mother Jones, provides empirical evidence for careful conclusions:
"Our study yields one resounding finding: The rate of terrorist attacks around the world by jihadist groups and the rate of fatalities in those attacks increased dramatically after the invasion of Iraq. Globally there was a 607 percent rise in the average yearly incidence of attacks (28.3 attacks per year before and 199.8 after) and a 237 percent rise in the average fatality rate (from 501 to 1,689 deaths per year). A large part of this rise occurred in Iraq, which accounts for fully half of the global total of jihadist terrorist attacks in the post-Iraq War period. But even excluding Iraq, the average yearly number of jihadist terrorist attacks and resulting fatalities still rose sharply around the world by 265 percent and 58 percent respectively."
I remember sitting in the courtroom during Patrick Fitzgerald's closing rebuttal, and the passion with which he asserted that nobody who was passing along information that could jeopardize the lives of those who work in government service could casually "forget" having done so indicated to me that he was a man who took this case incredibly personally, and would take it as far as he possibly could. When Jeffress moved to object, Fitzgerald did look like he wanted to deck him. Beyond the four corners of the indictment, I imagine the kinds of statistics quoted in the Blumenthal piece above give a serious prosecutor with a history of trying high-profile terrorism cases cause for pause.
I don't know where things go from here, and much depends on what the verdict is. Elizabeth de la Vega has an interesting piece up on AlterNet today that discusses the need for others to pick up the ball from Fitzgerald. Definitely worth reading.
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Let’s run Ticky Dick through the DSM-IV and see what we get.
FTIZ@!!!
Fitz
fitz!
Jane!
i’m concerned about who the father of mary cheney’s baby is.
Personally, I believe Cheney is little more than a monicle and a white cat away from playing the villian in some cheezy b-movie James Bond knockoff
Any hope that the military will refuse to follow orders of madmadmad W/Cheney as they do the exact game plan that lead to Iraq as the lead up to IraN?
jeff @ 6
he probably eats cats for breakfast
squirrel hiller @ 6
David Crosby
squirrel hiller @ 6
I’ve got my money on Zsa Zsa’s husband.
I personally don’t like doing Frist-like analysis of public figures. I don’t know if Cheney is just evil, is insane, or any combination of both. I’m not sure it really matters all that much, to be honest.
He is dangerous, however. I hope that his wings are a little clipped by these investigations. Sadly, I am concerned that the Saudis still push the buttons & order him and the Prez around.
What a horrible situation these PNAC members have put us into.
I don’t believe for a minute that Cheney won’t serve out the rest of his term. To think he’ll be charged or convicted of crimes, to think he’ll be impeached or step down, is dreaming IMPOV. He’ll hang on to power for every last second he can.
squirrel hiller @ 5
some Dick?
(I’m sorry, that just came out)
I’m curious if there are any other “virtual” progressives here in FDL, who visit “Second Life”. There seems to be a burgeoning activist element there, including Code Pink and Yearly Kos.
Off topic, but for those who may be unaware that Scooter used the National Endowment for the Arts to pimp his bestial pedophiliac novel:
http://www.democraticundergrou…..id=5352852
-
“Strangelovian.”
sigh
“I’m not saying we won’t get our hair mussed. Ten, twenty million tops!”
The spirits of Goebbels and Goering are afoot and whispering in Dead Eye’s ears.
Ah can fianally get on. Been having troubles etting the page to load
I’d like to know why…
what is Cheney’s MO?
really
is it power?
$?
immortality?
what the hell is his crazy ass goal?
I’ll wear crazy pink fur boots today with my jeans in the raining balls of water coming down in mid-MI….
When you shoot an old man in the face and get HIM to apologize, that’s some insanity.
squirrel hiller @ 6
Just to be safe, as soon as it is delivered, I suggest we check it for the Mark of the Beast. The little demon-spawn is sure to have a 666 on him somewhere.
Balrog (if you’re here):
I got your response @ 198, EPU’d in the last thread. Thanks for straightening that out. I doubted my geography there for a minute.
mary’s baby:
think “chinatown” with a turkey baster
Dan Froomkin – Signs Of Life…in the search of intelligent life forms at the Washington Post.
Semi-Live Q & A:
Huaraz, Peru: On February 16 and 17 The Post published two major opinion pieces, by Rich Lowry and Victoria Toensing, both defending Scooter Libby and criticizing his prosecution. Do you think this was appropriate, considering the jury was about to hear closing arguments and begin deliberations?
Dan Froomkin: I found those two pieces (and I believe you mean Byron York and Victoria Toensing) sadly reflective of the Washington media elite’s contempt for this very important and eye-opening case.
I do not think it was an attempt at jury tampering…
QuentinCompson @ 15
that’s rich
The Vice President — and President — are demonstrating, day after day, that they are removed from reality.
Call it what you will.
OT– on cspan3 at the Senate hearing, Mr. Barnett Rubin tells the truth wrt Afghanistan and is scathing wrt Pakistan (as has been much of the testimony today)
Truly compelling testimony by Rubin and he dispels the myth about Iran making things worse in Afghanistan. He also dispels many, many more admin myths and lies.
Bush sure has difficulty meeting african american hurricane victims
cgreen @ 26
Clinical Psychosis, I believe
Re: Howie Kurtz. I noticed that now Bill Kristol has issued a challenge to Arianna to take a poll of her readers. I also noticed the Corner has picked it up and in the WP chat today – Lois Ramano said, with no evidence, that liberal bloggers are the worst.
Well, instead of a poll, which could be skewed by people wanting to reinforce their own point of view – why not forward to Howie, and Bill, and the Corner the vitriolic posts from the Free Republic and the like. And if they want viciousness all they have to do is look at Ann Coulter and Malkin. The difference is it is accepted on the right, and not accepted from the left.
What’s up with the lesbian jokes, people? Turkey basters?! Whatever. I guess that’s another reason I don’t post anymore….
cheney’s from the gravitas school of diplomacy – i. e. it doesn’t matter how batshit crazy you are if you say it with Grrrravitas. Google Cheney gravita and you get 116,000 hits
Another great article by Elizabeth de la Vega. Unfortunately, justice in this country has become a political issue rather than a moral issue. Therefore, I just don’t see any investigations of this crew that will be timely enough to be of any help.
Seriously– Cheney has had multiple heart attacks, and operations under anesthesia. There are recent studies indicating that both interfere with brain function and are sources of damage and dementia. The VP has surrounded himself with people who defer to him, and what doctor would be bold enough to suggest testing to see if there is evidence that his mental processes or emotional balance is impaired? Some of his old friends say that Cheney has changed– and to the foreign press he comes across as delusional. Either he doesn’t notice that he has made contradictory assertions in a single paragraph, or he expects that no one else will notice… Terry Eagleton was forced off the VP ticket on mere suspicion of imbalance– why won’t the Republicans remove this madman before de does any more damage?
kristinejoy @ 31
sorry
From AP:
Mark @ 10
The Los Angeles Lakers
The abbreviated version of recent new reports:
Surprisingly, he didn’t try to further conceal his identity by adding “. . . so go f**k yourself, before I shoot you in the face!”
kristinejoy @ 31
I second this one, folks. Really poor taste, IMO
Insane? And Bush?
“and much depends on what the verdict is.”
okay, yes and no.
So much has been written about the fact that Fitz has laid the ground work…
The evidence and testimony is fodder for further investigations…
The verdict is important, I understand, but, people who are calling in sick to stay on this blog just makes me wonder. Worrying about what to wear today will NOT bring a verdict in.
Patience is hard. Clothing is easy.
That they are still detailing via post-it notes clearly says the jury is checking all of the evidence points to the fact that the jury is taking this seriously. They are not posting notes about what people are wearing or what they had for lunch or who paid. I realize that a lot of people are antsy for a verdict…but, c’mon. Let’s keep our Eyes on The Prize and not make this LESS than what it is!
kristinejoy @ 31
What lesbian joke?
Geralyn Horton @ 34
Thomas Eagleton
I was married to a loony…… sadly loonies are not motivated nor switched on by any logical process mere mortals can understand. Shrinkery is not a precise science because the practitioners cannot tell either.
Cheney appears to be greedy and evil first and then the lunacy on top……. bloody charming!
A must read about the cabal:
http://www.twf.org/News/Y2003/0906-Bogus.html
The same nitwit arguement about “they will follow us home” from Iraq.
He news flash Dickie Boy. Apparently the terrorists had some pretty good maps on 9/11.
-GSD
Stick to jokes about Ted Wells being a known thespian!
Attaturk @ 28
amazing
jeff @ 11
Manne Coulter?
kristinejoy @ 31 – thanks for the reminder…. appreciated. i bet (and hope) you get an apology.
kristinejoy @
31
What makes Lesbians so special they cant be the subject of a joke?
I thought they were like everyone else…no?
Jeff @ 49,
Spew warning, please
Gary @ 51
Oh boy, here we go!
Raven @ 43 —- Isn’t Terry Eagleton the foul-mouthed partially-literate Marxist Oxford made Professor of English?
annx @ 30:
There’s little doubt that WashPo has declared two-prong open season on (what it calls) “leftist” bloggers. Two prong: Howie and Lois Romano. What’s up with that? Howie hearting Michelle Malkin? You’ve got to be kidding.
Senator Clinton, a person who I once admired (”vast right wing conspiracy”, health care, etc.) so much, has let center to left Dems, liberals, progressives, and radicals (like me) down terribly. What happened, Senator?
Sharon @ 20
Funny — Two Sharons from Michigan. I’m in SE, though, not far from the zoo.
Maunga @ 54:
Yes Terry Eagleton is. I took classes from the man on, er, “literary theory” in the late 1970s. Thomas Eagleton is the former Senator from Missouri. McGovern’s first running mate before he dumped him from the ticket because Eagleton was outed in those days for seeing a psychiatrist. Times have indeed changed.
While awaiting the outcome of jury deliberations as anxiously as the next firedog, I found that reading Bob Altemeyer’s – The Authoritarians, a work in progress here, helped pass the time profitably. It’s a fast read, and his writing is casual, gently snarky and self-deprecating at the same time. This is the psychologist that John Dean has mentioned in interviews he has given. The guy is a psych professor at U of Manitoba. I’m sure I’d enjoy taking his classes.
Seeing that the personality traits of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and others of that ilk are being systematically studied, for causes and correlations, precedents and gives me some hope. The dissection of authoritarian religeous fundamentalists in chapter 4 alone makes it worth reading.
jeff @
11
Ha ha. I was going to say Howard Stern (either one) but Zsa Zsa’s husband is the best answer.
Mark @ 10
Too funny! (cleans monitor).
excellent. that last part though, “picking up the ball” that is a killer Jane, as there just don’t appear to be too many in a position to do so. Our US Attorneys may get their jobs back if Congress intervenes, but one has to doubt that they would really do anything based on what we have seen.
Congress has had the military come to them and declare the unreadiness of our troops and military in general. Are we unaware of the impending re arranging of the deck chairs on good ship Titanic? Is there a chance the joint chiefs will say now and ignore the administration? Is there a constitutional solution for an executive gone insane? Or are we going to have to invent one?
squirrel hiller @
23
I was thinking RoseMary’s Baby. With or without satanic mass.
Which bunker is the coward hiding in today?
Seriously, Cheney has been seeing the fruits of his labor lately.
Not only has Americas status been deflated,I see from the recent public snubbings that Cheney isn’t exactly loved overseas either.
And that crazy shit about everything being hunky dory if Britain starts pulling troops?
The guy is seriously deluded.
oldtree @ 62
25th Amendment
Gary @ 51
One of my best friend’s ‘father’ is a turkey baster. She thinks it’s funny.
annx @
30
Ironically it is my opinion that the nastiest posters on HuffPost are the wingnuts, of which there are more than on many other liberal blogs, which is why I don’t post there.
I am SO happy to see this notion being taken seriously. As I have watched this trial unfold, I have hoped/thought that one of the things Fitz was doing was throwing Waxman a very tasty bone.
From Elizabeth De La Vega
phil @ 49
so transgender jokes are OK?
One more comment about ole’ Howie Kurtz (sorry the guy just pisses me off – he is such a republican tool). M
aybe he should also leave the WP and go work for Politico.com. If he worked there, he would have the freedom to make up Republican memes, non just push them into the MSM.
I think the evidence disputes Fitz’s assertion here. Ari Fleischer was blabbing Plame’s name all over the place until suddenly he was like “Oh fuck, you mean I might have committed a crime?” Richard Armitage was like “oops, I guess I shouldn’t have said that,” but he did. Even the guy from the CIA who testified (I forget his name) was like “gosh, I assumed at first that it was ok to give the VP’s chief of staff that information… but then I started thinking about it some more…”
I have no idea which of these people actually knew Plame was covert, but it seems pretty clear to me that no one, and I mean no one, really cared. It’s terrible to think about, because there really are CIA assets out there with their lives on the line. All of us know that Libby didn’t just “forget,” but the reason he remembered certainly isn’t because he understood the importance of all those lives on the line. Like Fitz said, to these people Valerie Plame wasn’t a person, she was just an argument.
My money’s on fear. Having flunked outta Yale, never having been a member of the oligarchy, and having tucked into Rumsfeld’s tailwind for most of his career, Cheney made some really terrible decisions at Halliburton, the worst of which was buying BarBush’s family company, Dresser Industries, dripping with asbestos liabilities. He had to make good on those losses, and recover market share lost to the French oil-drilling-equipment company Schlumberger during the Clinton years (known as the Cheney years at HAL).
His actions in office having restored Halliburton’s asset value, he can ride off into the sunset without worry that the oligarchs will come after his family — although I bet the horses-head message from Perv had to worry him a little.
The Cheney Vice-Presidency has been all about restoring value to an asset base he seriously compromised — and then making up for lost time with tax cuts, corporate oversight-shredding, tort “reform” and war-profiteering on a scale never before seen on the planet. Essentially, I believe the oligarchs couldn’t trust DimSon to get their plays right year after year — but they knew Cheney had to perform for them. They were owed.
MariaSquared @ 67
I agree. And I think wingnuts comment there so people will point at it and say “Oh, look at those liberal blogs.”
oldtree @ 62
Yes, it is called impeachment. The house can start it, a state can start it, a grand jury can start it. It should *not* be up to the military to do Congress’ job. I know they’re the cavalry, but sheez!
Geralyn Horton @
34
I’m a doctor. I’m bold. I’ll suggest it. Forget the testing part – he’s flunked already. But, then again, I’d suggest it if I were a brick mason.
On a more serious note, it’s a good line of thought. He’s volatile, impatient, can’t let people finish their questions. He perseverates on the same things, even when they don’t fit. His “timing” is way off. Timing used to be his forte. And the reporters with him have been kept at a distance.
I never liked him before, but, you’re right, he is unquestioably different. Reckon it’s another Reagan cover-up? Reckon it’s a reason to keep him off the stand?
Only if they’re funny.
[Mod Note; Please only nest 2 or 3 quotes at a maximum. Any more may break the margins. Thank You.]
What country is Cheney the Coward hiding in today? And he’s been running from justice for over a week now, how long can he keep away?
I guess the good news is he’s cut off from his secret underground bunker command center he built. Won’t it be interesting when he’s deposed to see what he really built in his underground lair?
LHP – You have an email at your “little used” address.
kristinejoy @
31
Kristinjoy, it’s not a Lesbian joke, it’s a Mary Cheney joke.
The WaPo’s owners and editors, having thrown their lot in with bushie and Edgar, are becoming more frantic against the ‘Leftist Bloggers’ because we are a much greater danger than the other lot are at changing opinions.
Not only do you mostly state the obvious, but you demonstrate greater intelligence in doing it. part of your being taken more seriously, I am sure is that most of all you do not instantly use the language of the most sub-educated, puerile, foul-mouthed 14 year olds.
No.
Why don’t we find something a little more important to discuss?
You are reducing the decision to have a child to an image of a woman spread eagle with a turkey baster inside her. This is the worst kind of pornography.
Only lesbians get this kind of metaphorical “fuck” connected with pregnancy, and I am not okay with it.
I’m home today, but in just the last week, the firewall at work has started screening out my blog addiction, just as we near a verdict! I’d been hooked on FDL play-by-play, not to mention all my other blog favorites, and now I’m relegated to only salon, slate, and quote-unquote legitimate news sources. WAAAHHH!
please everyone, feel sorry for me… but do it today, because by tomorrow I will be back behind the wall.
[looking up “perseverate”]
HotFlash @
66
As we all wait, anything “funny” is a good thing. As long as it is without malice….
Who cares who the baby’s father is?
Y’all are sounding too much like the Huffington Bloggers.
Where to go from here?
maunga @ 79
But we could, if we wanted to.
TSF @ 72–
I like your thinking.
–
HotFlash @ 86
I don’t think so. Our foul-mouthed inner 14-year old is not sub-educated.
Our study yields one resounding finding: The rate of terrorist attacks around the world by jihadist groups and the rate of fatalities in those attacks increased dramatically after the invasion of Iraq.
I predict that this study will be judged to be flawed. Just browsing the MJ article, it is easy to spot statistical and logical flaws as well as process manipulations that provide a result that conforms to the writers’ hypothesis.
For example, if the start date for their assumptions is changed by just one day, to include 9/11/2001; it would appear that the number of incidents and deaths has decreased. Additionally, it is impossible to divine the causation of terrorism in all cases. Much like a child that acts out, the underlying cause is not necessarily apparent. As an example, did my older daughter push my younger daughter bacause a. she was standing to close, b. because she is cranky from not sleeping or c. because my younger daughter pushed her first? Without knoweing whether the cause is a, b or c; it is impossible to draw any conclusion from the observed action. The same is true for the article in question.
Bustednuckles @
80
Busted—thank you, I couldn’t agree more.
Biodun @ 55
Kin Queasy’s Merry Prongsters
Batshit, batfuck crazy. That’s all I got to say.
annx @ 72
I comment on Arianna (diff. name) and I actually like blasting the fascist commenters. Perhaps it’s a vent. I don’t know. To each his own, I suppose. ;0)
CityGirl @ 86
I learned from DeepThroat to think this way, even though he actually never said it except in the movie version: Follow the money.
Let’s get the rules straight. Anonymous liberal and left wing blog posters are not allowed to make any comments that could easily be misconstrued to be from the mouth of well know right-wing radio and tv personalities like Michael Savage, Melanie Morgan, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh.
-GSD
Thanks for your comments about future hearings, Woodhall Hollow (#68). Since so many facts have come out under oath about unethical admin activities, it seems someone should bury Cheney’s credibility swiftly.
What would the Republicans have done to Clinton if Gore were ever in Cheney’s position?
Will someone speculate or as Mike Meyers used to say, “Discuss!!”
Getting back to Cheney. From wiki:
OT– wrt to the Senate hearings:
Rubin says he had talked to Iranians in Kabul last Nov and they were concerned with the threat to them from AQ and the Taliban and wanted to talk with us about it and work with us. Rubin said he passed it on to the appropriate people and nobody here wanted to touch it. He also said that the Iranians think that America does not take the Taliban seriously enough (duh). Levin says they’ll pass on the transcript testimony to State.
(This is evidence of yet more criminal behavior on the part of this administration! And they crow about making us and Afghanistan safer)
He also lays the blame for the failures in Iraq and Afghanistan at our feet when Warner plaintively asked why aren’t they happy about being liberated. He said we never cared or asked what THEY wanted.
My how the tables have turned. Now it is Condi who won’t return Deadeye’s calls.
Don’t fret however, Deadeye is getting her back by not inviting her to his bunker anymore for his weekly all-you-can-eat laxative parties.
Geralyn Horton @ 34
I think it was Thomas Eagleton.
Steve @ 71 Remember—- Armitage flagged Mrs Wilson’s name as specially and differently classified in the FAX he sent to AF1. They knew!! A great prayer is that there is a log in Fitzy’s hand of the tel calls back from AF1 to Rove and to Edgar telling them to blow Mrs Wilson’s cover.
Mr. Cheney is a skillful, inveterate, arrogant liar. He is not crazy.
I don’t think he believes much of what he says. I think he DOES believe passionately in what he thinks those words will achieve: extraordinary, unquestionnable, extra-constitutional power.
Power to rule, not govern. Governing implies a symbiotic relationship with those governed. Ruling implies dictatorial power that need not consider the interests of those governed.
Mr. Cheney is convinced that such authority is necessary in obtaining his personal wealth, the wealth and power of his backers, and access to ever scarcer critical resources. I think that includes such things as control over who gets taxed [and who doesn’t], and taxpayer funded contracts worth billions, as well as traditional commodities like oil. The permanent bases in Iraq that many of the Halliburton Dollars put in place are meant to secure those.
I agree with the argument that a permanent state of terror “requiring” the use of armed forces and diminution of civil rights are fundamental building blocks for obtaining and holding onto that power.
We might once have dismisssed such thoughts as paranoia. Given the worsening debacle in Iraq, the incessant drumbeat for war against Iran (officially denied, even while holding their ears and swaying to the beat), and the unwavering claims by Mr. Cheney that we’re “successful and on the right track”, make that dismissal no longer tenable.
What Mr. Cheney promotes would normally be a revolution. It’s neither if we let him do it “legally”, or at least unchallenged.
wingnuts and trolling at liberal sites..
..Reminds me of peaceful protests, until the counterprotests come to start fights. When the fights break out, they are usually broken up BEFORE the police can even maneuver through the crowd. But the cameras catch everything. 5 o’ clock news only takes the parts which show the protesters acting crudely. They never focus on the counter protesters who insite the riot.
Mary Cheney is the daughter of one of the most damaging traitor to the United States. She defends her dad’s, and the PNAC agendas…
I couldn’t care less that she is a lesbian…
OMG! I just realized that JC Patriotboy is behind that hilarious Doug Feith dumb fucker web site.
The funny thing is that the original also has a parody-like quality to it. Like this quote under his photo:
Then go read the quote under the JC version!
Oh, it’s ok to be malicious just so everyone here approves the target, what bullshit.
Is the jury out for lunch?
Must. Not. Obsess. About. Verdict.
i don’t recall seeing it here- i may have missed it, but the jury instructions are available online
http://justoneminute.typepad.c…..uctio.html
As for Shooter. Started out bad but all those heart lung machine exposures turned him into a true “pumphead.” Not so much the cognitive deficiencies but loss of inhibitions and the recklessness.
i started out w/ a pretty good article b/ some doctor weakened ad equivocated b/ it described Cheney to a T.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumphead_syndrome
I repeat: The Bush/Cheney Doctrine is a terrorist multiplier.
How can anyone with any sense believe, working from this Doctrine, that we are winning the war on terror? Unless the goal is to create more terrorists and profits for the manufacturers of mechanized doom.
Can we just give the jurors a Staples catalog and a Mastercard and cut out the middleman?
I’m thinking they’ll want to copy and bind the verdicts in handsome plastic covers, and those binding machines don’t come cheap.
kristinejoy @ 82
Not true. Fertility clinics happily accept the money of non-lesbians. The turkey baster jokes are just part of the territory. I appreciate that you are offended by it, but a little humor gets people through some pretty damn awkward and/or ridiculous episodes in life.
raven @ 104
Not quite.
It is a long standing desire of the blog mistresses to not demean people about sexual identity.
Here is a darker take on the outing of Plame, from here:(I never bought “they were trying to discredit Wilson/frighten whistleblowers explanation)
http://ce399.typepad.com/weblo…..ie_pl.html
snip
Please go read.
kristinejoy @ 81
Kristinejoy, I don’t want to go into a bad space here, but my friend’s parents (her two moms) did use a turkey baster for totally practical reasons. The selection of the donor was thoughtful and the impregnation as loving, romantic and joyous as any couple anywhere. Her moms still get misty-eyed when they refer (very discreetly) to it. Their daughter is a gorgeous and intelligent young woman who is making both of them so proud. I am sorry that you carry around such an ugly and painful image, but others do not and I do not think you need to do so, either.
dingo_kidney @
59
Thanks for that link – I am currently reading his “The Authoritarian Specter” as research for a book I’m writing about why conservatives think the way they do, and vote against their own best interests. I like his writing style, too – I didn’t expect it from such a rigorous study.
MariaSquared @ 88
True.
Biodun @ 97
If only he had kept going down that road of DUI’s. Obviously he isn’t thinking about the bad road he is going down now.
Oilfieldguy @ 110
Is this ‘non-exact’ geometric progression we’re talking here? ;0)
maunga @ 101
Link?
I’ve never been convinced that Armitage is out of the woods. Like Rove, he’s using the I-have-a-letter-clearing-me-but-you-can’t-read-it defense. The key to Armitage is where he got his information from and why he was so eager to spread it. (And I think the Woodward tape makes pretty clear that he was going out of his way to spread it.)
mbbsdphil @ 102 Aint that megalomania?
Tithonia @ 83
It’s that kind of “stuck on a topic,” saying the same thing over and over, broken record stuff you hear with dementia. Another early soft sign is confabulation – making up a story for “holes” in the memory. Other things: a flattened, vaguely paranoid demeanor, punctuated with irritability, or missing nuances in conversation…
Frankly, I can’t tolerating listening to him long enough to even have much of an opinion about the state of his mental faculties, and am way too biased to even have an opinion. But it is a good thought – early dementia post cardiac surgery.
The agenda pushed by the Cheney White House demands absolute authority with NO accountability.
Our system was set up to generally maintain both at the same time, so a whole lot of tinkering and tweaking is required. Not to mention an insane degree of secrecy.
The only blessing of Katrina is that it threw off the Iran timetable, and gave much needed time to expose these machinations (hopefully before it is too late).
Bustednuckles @ 80
Actually busted, I think you missed the point of the comment (since anne is not a transgender) it wasn’t a transgener joke. We were passing the time at anne’s and mary’s expense. I normally lurk and will resume same, sorry to offend.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 110
If I were them, I just start asking for all kinds of bizarre stuff, just to see how much I could get away with. “We need 5 gallons of pink paint, some primer, 3 balls of yarn (any color), 10 pieces of beef jerky, and a pound of tofu (for the vegetarian).”
lina @ 37
C’mon, people. I’m straight and I find these offensive.
From the WaPo On Faith Section:
Desmond Tutu
http://newsweek.washingtonpost…..cuted.html
It is worth a read as are the comments below it, some pro and some con. Whatever your beliefs might be Desmond Tutu is an amazing human being.
Deborah Moore @ 41
THANK YOU.
I couldn’t agree more!
Frank Probst @ 120
You’ve been watching Jury Duty with Pauly Shore haven’t you?
everyone in dc is crazy. dc seems to be all about who can out-crazy one another on the info catapult. all 50 states could pass a resolution to impeach cheney and shrub and congress still wouldn’t do it and the msm would bend the story as crazy. the iraqapation won’t end until tens of thousands of soldiers step up and oppose it openly. watada to the nth degree.
Bustednuckles @ 110
And I agree, now we just have to figure out who gets to decide what is demeaning.
If I were them, I just start asking for all kinds of bizarre stuff, just to see how much I could get away with. “We need 5 gallons of pink paint, some primer, 3 balls of yarn (any color), 10 pieces of beef jerky, and a pound of tofu (for the vegetarian).”
Two bottles of Cuervo and 11 hits of acid
Frank Probst @ 118
Cannot give you one, sorry, because I did not store it. It was all over Kevin Drum in the early days when it all broke, perhaps before the road to (Alexandria) Gaol. PatAlex in VA knows a lot more than I do…… so go on bleating and we may get Chapter and Verse!
Their article, “The Iraq Effect: War Has Increased Terrorism Sevenfold Worldwide,” published in Mother Jones, provides empirical evidence for careful conclusions:
A three letter word will suffice, we already knew this would happen before the war started by doing some not so hard forward thinking, so I say Duh. I guess that is not three words but duh echoes my complete disgust, and my wonder that it took so long to grow some balls.
OK folks.
This isn’t my site.
I have been around here a while though. I am just trying to politely remind people of what I have seen to be not appreciated comments.
I will let Christy or Jane speak to it themselves.
Enough outta me. ‘K?
Darth’s medical history is as rich as foie gra (my bold. pun intended. Sorry, punaise). From wiki:
TeddySanFran @
72
thanks, that helped, considerably
–fear and greed are prolly Dick’s big motivators, how he handles them is where crazy comes in
Frank Probst @ 121
“.. and a pony!”
Quebecois @ 104
I care. She used to work as a professional lesbian for Coors, and she got over $1 million to write about being the Shooter’s gay daughter, so she’s quite willing to use her sexual orientation for her own personal gain. But when it comes to gay rights in general, like when her home state was voting on a repressive anti-gay-rights Amendment, and she knew (or at the very least strongly suspected) that she was pregnant and was going to have a baby with her partner, she didn’t say a damn word. As far as I’m concerned, she can rot in hell with Judas and Brutus.
Is the jury out to lunch???!!!
I think Dick was traumatized on 9-11 and is terrified of dying, so to protect himself he’s content to let a whole lot of others die so that he may live.
Speaking about Congress’ responsibility for impeachment, it seems the Washington state legislature has proposed impeachment and wants Congress to act on it. Unfortunately the Wa. Congressional delegation thinks that the state legislature is out of line and told them to Back Off!
My response to Cantwell, Murray et all is STFU unless you are willing to do something about it.
Stop with the *joke* stuff. It wasn’t funny, the poster apologized…let it go.
New thread?
TeddySanFran @ 136
Wouldn’t it be funny if they asked for an Easy Button?
A verdict of guilty is for me, extremely important. Come to think of it, it’s vital.
Sparkles the Iguana @110, How about an EASY button?
Biodun @ 135
Gout
too much alcohol perhpas
I hope that this trial, whatever the verdict, is the beginning, not the end. We shall see. Obviousy our wonderful newly Democratic Congress does not have the courage to do what is so clearly neccessary, and remove Bush and Cheney from power. Hell, they can’t even agree on a “resolution,” for Chrissakes, let alone substantive action. . It’s understandable. When only 65% of the public is on your side you have to be careful of the potential for political blowback. After all, David Broder could say you’re being partisan. That would be awful.
Don’t they realize that Bush/Cheney will never be dissuaded from their disastrous course? They can’t be stopped, only removed.
As to Armitage’s excuse, it sounds a little like, “I thought it was a withdrawal slip, your Honor. I didn’t know it said ‘I have a gun. Give me your money.’” See, an innocent mistake. Anyone could make it.
Frank Probst @ 119
Who told Armitage and why was he leaking???
Frank Probst @ 118
I too would like to know about Armitage’s role. Was he instructed to leak it? Or did his ego “I know something cool” lead him to spread it. I know its an article of faith here that this was an orchestrated smear campaign (and that is certainly possible). But I think its also possible that Cheney wanted to find out who sent Wilson, because Wilson was saying it was OVP, and then Armitage just couldn’t keep his mouth shut.
there is a new thread
Mikey @ 146 -
I too would like to know about Armitage’s role. Was he instructed to leak it? Or did his ego “I know something cool” lead him to spread it. I know its an article of faith here that this was an orchestrated smear campaign (and that is certainly possible). But I think its also possible that Cheney wanted to find out who sent Wilson, because Wilson was saying it was OVP, and then Armitage just couldn’t keep his mouth shut.
I agree. Remember Armitage had some trouble years ago for not keeping his mouth shut. I think it was during the Reagan years.
kristinejoy @ 82
I think you are extremely oversensitive to something – I’ll let you figure out what that is.
One of my wifes and my best friends had a “turkey baster” child and he is a wonderful, happy 10 year old.
I don’t see anything negative about the “turkey baster” comment – it is a fact.
Oilfieldguy @ 110
I like that phrase a lot. “Terrorist Multiplier”. For some reason, the right has more catchy phrases than the left, but I’m going to repeat that as often as I can. This administration’s policy is a ‘terrorist multiplier’. Yep, it’s a winner
me @ 136:
Correction. foie gras
Funny you should use the Dr Strange Love comparison, I have been using that myself when talking to others. I have also used the Al Capone convicted only for taxes with the Scooter Libby trial, also Martha Stewart.
maddy @ 134
The important aspect of this article that seems to be glossed over is that there have been no (i.e., zero, 0) attacks on US soil since the Iraq war began. Is that relevant? No. One has nothing to do with the other. It is also irrelevant to claim that the war in Iraq has increased terrorism worldwide without addressing the underlying causes of terrorism.
To believe that the Iraq war, the US military pressence in Saudi Arabia, the US pressence in Iraq etc…, etc… is the cause of terrorism ignores the fact that terrorism has existed long before any military actions were taken by the US. For example: a man walk into a public park wearing pink, he is attacked by another man and killed; was he killed because he walked in the park, because he work pin, because the attacker was psychotic or perhaps it was a case of mistaken identity. It is impossible to tell from the facts presented. Much like the article in quesiton, the facts presented do not allow a person to deduce from the information given the cause for the increase in the number of terrorist attackes.
Nicholson is Cheney:
“Sell crazy somewhere else. We’re all stocked up here.”
Boy, this thread sure ended up with a lot of ugly posts. We might want to remember that a lot of people are tuning in for their lunchbreaks – people who only recently have learned about FDL, and they might be kinda repulsed by some of this. Sorry if this seems prudish, but jokes about a pregnant woman’s sperm donor possibly being her supposedly psychotic daddy seem a bit nasty. This stuff detracts from the great political discussion and analysis we’ve been having. We should demonstrate better behavior, IMO.
responding to a good post now… Morris Sheppard @ 148: I hope the Democratic party leaders in Congress will be able to find enough consesnus to get some bills passed, to legally try and limit the powers this President claims he has. I think it’s helpful for our Senators and Congresspeople to do as much as they can to build consensus, to put up bills even if it forces the Republicans to filibuster or otherwise stonewall. As long as they are at least making a real attempt at progress, it’s a huge improvement from the last session of Congress. I wish they had 60 votes all of the time, but they don’t. Keep laying the groundwork, and perhaps more Republicans will join on the reform bandwagon.
Mickey at 75
Pump head, I’ve heard it called.
Former Fed @ 153
Has anyone asked the 10 year old what he thinks about being a turkey baster baby? Don’t worry, with these kind of justifications being thrown around, he will be asked, by stupid people just like you, with the “best of intentions”, I am sure.
You do nothing for these friends by stating these “facts”.
In fact, you have a real-live lesbian mother telling you that these jokes are offensive and still you defend it. Don’t take the familiarity they feel with you as license to say the same thing around others. Do you introduce their child to others as the Turkey baster child? If you did, would his parents still be your friends?
“I think you are extremely oversensitive to something – I’ll let you figure out what that is.”
What are you implying? Intercourse? Sex with men? Been there, done that, that’s how I got my two girls.
[Mod Note; Comment edited by mod.]
JoyB @ 2
For the first time, I am getting nervous about a hung jury. The Valentine T shirts thing has never felt right to me. I can see that happening with teachers at school, 3 or 4 days before Valentines day, a teacher in the lunch/break room says “Lets all wear red on Valentines Day” and when Valentines day comes, most do wear red in some form, but NOT IDENTICAL shirts. There was planning and thought that went into that. Who thought of it? How did they get so many to go along with it? How did all those shirts get there and distributed to the jury members? Did the person who thought of it feel “in charge” of the jurists? Did the people who wore the Valentines shirts feel “indebted” or more trusting of that person? Like “I will now listen to you, in particular, more than I will listen to others”. What does it say that these jurists felt it was appropriate to wear a t-shirt to jury duty? Especially a trial that is judginh a person that worked for the Vice President of the US? And knowing this trial is in the public eye and still they think t-shirts are appropriate? I would have went and bought a new ward robe of dress cloths for that important of a trial. For the jury to come to Court for jury deliberations in jeans, doesn’t that suggest that they ALL decided, the previous day, that they would not be reaching a verdict the next day? How could one KNOW that, a day in advance? It just doesn’t sit right with me, but then again, maybe I would take being a member on a trial that leads directly to the White House more seriously. Or maybe I feel that way because I saw the movie “Runaway Jury” and maybe NO ONE on this jury did. If Libby is found innocent or has a hung jury, will we wonder if the jury was tampered with?
Here’s what I think: Mary Cheney is a public figure. The perceived hypocrisy of her public positions and her private life are topics of reasonable conversation concerning the public positions she has taken on particular issues. How she chooses to conduct her decisions about child birth and child rearing are her own business. For those of us who believe in a right to privacy, it really is a no brainer, don’t you think? Now, how about we let it go at that?
If I were a betting man, I’d bet that Cheney was severely sexually abused as a child. We’ll never know, though.
LandOfTheFree @ 158
LOTF
Looking back it seems this topic started @ 6.
But I think you must admit that Cheney’s total posture on his daughter’s lesbianism and her pregnancy is hypocritical at the least. And also symptomatic of the Repug’s social agenda and therefore is grist for the public mill of discussion.
I also believe that when you comment on this or any other blog, you should have a thick enough skin to take any replies as they come.
JF @
65
were that it were designed for Congress. It appears that this is only natural selection for the executive to notify congress. I suggest that the solution is for Congress to act on their own, not withstanding the exu.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 161
Christy,
Sorry but I disagree with you. As I always told my staff – if you don’t want to see it on the front page of the Washington Post or the NYT, then don’t do it.
Private life or public discussion – it doesn’t matter when you are on the public payroll!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fresh thread, and I suggest everyone leave whatever remnant of this conversation may be left behind. Because neither I nor the exhausted folks who are moderating have the time or the patience for this today. Be considerate of what it is taking to keep things going please — and think twice before you hit submit.
about Armitage
I am sorry not to be able to remember more, nor to have logged information. Wait until PatAlex in VA comes on and ask. PA VA knows has it, I think.
My memory tells me that AF1 was going somewhere and Armitage sent a FAX to Powell. In that FAX, when it came to mentioning Mrs Wilson, her name carried a different security classification from the rest of the FAX. The crucial bit I cannot remember was whether this might have been the first time the Mrs W connection to Mr W appeared before the WH machine.
The chat on the Drum thread was whether Dumbya and whoever else instantly got on to the telephone and told Cheney, Rove, et al to blow the news!
I had a hunch, at one time, that Armitage was a sacrificial replacement for Cheney, I still think Novak got it straight from Deadeye, and LATER Armitage agreed to “be” the Novak link, representing the next layer of fall-on-the-sword loyalists, proving their noble willingness to commit political and professional hari kari.
And for what cause, but to protect the VP from culpability? In terms of political capitol, Bush, at most, represents the final security blanket around all the rest of Cheney’s lawless layers of immunity and protection.
Richard the Worst is now, and always has been driving this destructive military/industrial Go-Bot, cheered-on by his no-bid neocon book-cooking pals.
Just my humble opinion…
(OK, so a lot of folks don’t think I ever had a humble opinion, but they tend to be wrong about other stuff, too)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 166
Christy,
As HST said – if you can’t take the heat, don’t be in the kitchen.
Former Fed at 167 — Feel free to disagree — you’ve more than made your point in the comments already and I am asking you to stop. Because we are all too damn tired behind the scenes after weeks and weeks of slogging through this trial coverage to deal with a flame war. Period. Don’t make me have to contemplate shutting off comments altogether, because we do not have the moderation staff to deal with this kind of unnecessary bs today. Is that clear enough for everyone?
You guys are on fire today. Post after post on this front page is some of the most riviting writing and info I’ve read in a long time, if ever. God, I love this place. Thanks to all for the great work.
Phoenix Woman @ 1
Sociopathic personality, at the least.
Speaking of DSM-IV, the definition of Narcissistic Personality Disorder is almost a perfect description of Bush’s behavior.
jeff @ 7
I envision the entire Bush gang as Modesty Blaise villains: not just completely evil, but deranged and more than a little kinky.
FormerFed: I agree you have to be ready to be called out on a blog when you post BS or things that are out of line. However, as posters, we can be seen as representing FDL. Did you see Howie’s malicious piece today about what some participants posted on HuffPo? I don’t think Jane, Christy, and all the hard-working people at FDL should have their blog disrespected, nor the terrific work they’ve done, degraded by careless posts like some that I alluded to.
Sure, Mary Cheney’s hypocricy is a topic that might be worth discussing… however, to suggest some of the things that were suggested is way out of line, IMO. I’m not going to repeat them, as mods might choose to remove some of the more disgusting posts.
Jane & Christy have worked too hard on Libby coverage to give the wingnuts like Malkin et al a chance to disparage this site because of some immature posts.
This thread is running out, largley and it is about ‘Cheney! Crazy!’ The determination by so many to have the last word was bewildering until I remembered what stir-crazy was like, or waiting for de-mob.
tsk tsk spelling!
Bush and Cheney are so ill-equipped to confront today’s world that it takes my breath away.
Here are a couple random tea leaves: In 1980, 44% of Turks lived in cities. By by 1990, it was 61%; by 2000 probably almost 70%. Over 90% of the world’s population growth has occurred among the poorest.
As of 2000, about 70% of the Arab population had been born since 1970. Their crystalizing political experience would have come during Gulf War I, when many of these people would have been in their teens and early twenties.
Poor populations are exploding, and they have lost their traditional identities in new, urban slums, most lacking basic literacy skills.
Meanwhile, BushCo doesn’t appear to have a working knowlegde of fundamental population, agricultural, resource, productivity, or envirnomental health statistics.
The world really needs leadership, and it’s a pity that it isn’t coming from US government at such an important time. But the wounds are self-inflicted, and have cost too many far too much.
I don’t want to see any violence against them. I want them to be Exhibits A and B of why justice is better than vendetta, and why cops, courts, judges, and laws matter. I think that is the only way to avoid a repeat. I am one who didn’t pay enough attention during Iran-Contra, but it’s becoming daily more evident that this is a Redux on a massive, tragic scale.
It’s time for leaders of the world to just hang up when Darth calls. I read somewhere that that’s what happened to Nixon, more or less.
I once met Cheney at a political cook out in Indiana around 1993. He seemed to take himself very seriously and made a good presentation. I think it is inappropriate to make gib and insulting comments about Cheney. Such conduct obfuscates the fact that Cheney has developed into a serious and dangerous menace to the welfare of our country. We will always have to be responsible for the election of Bush and Cheney by nominating such flaky candidates such as Gore and Kerry and now a fatuous Hillary Clinton. It is the quality of the opposition to Bush and Cheney that is now important. So please spare all the glib comments about Cheney.
The terrorists that hit London a couple years ago stated very clearly that the US invasion of Iraq (and the British participation in it) was the reason for their attacks. How can Cheney and Bush (and Blair) claim that those attacks had nothing to do with Iraq?
Another real and dangerous result of this war on terror is that it has inspired a racist population in many countries against Arabs and Muslims. It’s scary to see this happen from the top down. (It’s happening with Mexican immigrants too). But in Europe especially, populations that were already left out are now being completely isolated and hated, forcing the young Muslims into gangs, which in turn breed the exact kind of terrorism that we’re supposedly fighting.
From Bob Dylan’s “Clothes Line”:
The next day everybody got up
Seein’ if the clothes were dry.
The dogs were barking, a neighbor passed,
Mama, of course, she said, “Hi!”
“Have you heard the news?” he said, with a grin,
“The Vice-President’s gone mad!”
“Where?” “Downtown.” “When?” “Last night.”
“Hmm, say, that’s too bad!”
“Well, there’s nothin’ we can do about it,” said the neighbor,
“It’s just somethin’ we’re gonna have to forget.”
“Yes, I guess so,” said Ma,
Then she asked me if the clothes was still wet.
I think it is time we all admit that our Vice President — who is at the heart of this trial — is seriously insane.
You should make it absolutely clear that this is not simply a figure of speech.
GSD @
96
How lucky it is to count the blessings not being “allowed” to defficate like the listed (and their wannabees). When Mark Styne began to be carried by the Irish Times, I quit obtaining the paper altogether. End of problem. Otherwise, a great loss for balanced information.
GSD? Garden State Dem?
FDL obviously did an amazing job of covering the trial, and now the gang is impressive in–excuse the expression, forever compromised–staying the course as we await the verdict.
No, don’t like the unnecessary tangent on the thread. Cheney presents all sorts of substantive and dangerous issues. Why get sidetracked?
And crazy is a fantastic topic. I know there are different levels of political/power psychosis, and it’s worth looking at carefully.
But my own favorite item on this topic is Rehnquist’s drug addiction and the side stories attached to that. Talk about crazy. There was some stuff on Slate summing it up in the aftermath of Rehnquist’s death, and then it came up again recently when his FBI files were released. All of it a very interesting story.
But the part that no one has discussed–or at least I haven’t seen it anywhere–is that John Roberts was working for Rehnquist during his darkest, slurred speech, nastiest jonesing days. I’m not sure on the exact dates, but it was right after Rehnquist was hospitalized, hallucinating over the drapes in his room and trying to bust out in his pajamas because he thought the CIA was after him, that Roberts moved on to his next assignment. Of course, no one ever asked Roberts about this in his confirmation hearings–”Can you tell us anything about the Chief Justice’s drug addiction during the time you worked for him? How did it manifest itself and affect your service with him? You were aware, of course, of his hospitalization… etc.”–which would have been good to know…
…in this particular context because it actually relates to Scooter Libby and Cheney. Whatever is and has been going on with Cheney, it’s hard to call it reality, except of course that his policies and methods have made the real world we all live in a very problematic and dicey place. And Scoot was the prime enabler, and now he’s getting called on it.
“Crazy” is a very good point. Great thought, great post.
new york lawyer @ 180
I think it’s been established that nicknames and soforth can be pretty powerful political tools.
angie @ 99
That’s great information, angie.
new york lawyer @ 180
I’ll pass on responsibility for electing Cheney in 2000, thanks. That fault lies totally with certain members of the Supreme Court. “Flaky” Gore won the popular vote, BTW.
I’ll post what I posted at GG’s this morning re his post about Cheney….
Every once in a while my husband and I are guests at the country pile.
The laird of the manor, so to speak, is an ex British ambassador to Libya, had the largest law firm in the middle east for decades and was Cheney’s Europeand counsel at one time.
He let me read a speech he wrote a several yrs back regarding the American invasion. This was written for a speaking tour in the States, I’m not sure of specific audiences, but what is important is the content. He precisely forecasted what would happen in the aftermath, including Iran, and he provided productive suggestions as to what could be done about it, as well as creating a Federation of Israel, Jordan, eventually Lebanon, etc.
Well, suffice it to say, he’s no longer Cheney’s counsel and though he’s been invited back to the States, he has no desire to give speeches to what I assume were many grumbling neocons in the audience. But what always makes me laugh when I think of that great read is the last paragraph. I paraphrase, but it’s something like…’I have no monopoly of opinions on these matters and I do not say that I am right but all I can tell you is that after forty years in the Region I am more likely to be right thana lot of you….’
And hey, no snarky remarks about the Brits from my fellow americans s.v.p.
We’ve only our administration to thank for Doug Feith and those ridiculous architects…but it IS bizarre to go back to a Vanity Fair article about Feith and the neocons….he was being interviewed for his ‘intellectual approach’ and all the while his research libary was filled with facts about how the Brits had failed withe similar approach…well, enuf rambling…just keep the energy against bad karma and teh Bush cheney junta as my uber idol Gore Vidal suggests…
i’m going to really change the energy by heading off on the eurostar to see harry in the nude…
Bay.
Chez Bay
Paris.
– Bailey Alexander
BTW, that would be Daniel ‘Harry Radcliff” Potter for you fellow JK fans…
Bush and Cheney both are infatuated with power. They feel they have risen to a level of unquestioned authority but in effect they have both risen to their own level of incompetency.
Great article. I like the detail in your post. It is quite impressive.
And the trial — let’s just hope the “reasonable doubt” issue won’t sink the guilty decision. You know it’s very very difficult to get a unanimous decision on anything.
GSD @ 96
Word!
Of course he is crazy, or at least getting that way. You would be too if you had been told ypou had to keep circling the globe visitibng countries full of people who detest you. He’s obviously been locked out of the country until after the jury delivers its verdict on Libby because they dont want him in town when that happens.
new york lawyer @
180
Isn’t this rather like blame the victim? Gore should have been president and I believe would have made a good one. Hillary will not get the nomination. Kerry was a mistake. But a large chunk of the responsibility for the Bush/Cheney nightmare rests with Bush/Cheney and the GOP.
Guess everyone is finished here and won’t be reading this, but just wanted to point out if the father is W, the mix of those genes could be very scary.
Manimal @ 188
It is ridiculous to rely on the plrality in the popular vote (provided by Calif) and “pass” on responsibility for Gore. Or blame it on the Supreme Court. The election never should have gotten to the Supreme Court Gore ran a terrible camplaign. Hyperventilating when he was debating Bush and losing the debates to Bush. Both Bush and Gore are medicore spoiled children born of privilege and children who never grew up. That election should not have been close. Enough of Gore, Kerry and the Clintons.
It doesn’t matter what kind of campaigns they run if the media is spinning and spewing its venom.
maunga @ 102
I want to know about Tony Blair’s calls to AF-1 on July 7, 2003. That’s the day that he was told that David Kelly “could say some uncomfortable things.” (Hutton Report.) COULD say, not had said. Kelly had already been whistleblowing anonymously to the BBC about the “sexed up” pre-war intel. What else did he know? Why did they hunt him down within government, and interrogate him in a “safe house”? Why were they so worried about him? It’s not as if it was “news” that the prewar Iraq intel had been exaggerated. Something else going on. Plame outed seven days later. Four days after that (7/18), Kelly was found dead underly highly suspicious circumstances. He office and computers were searched. And four days after that (7/22), Novak ADDITIONALLY outed the entire Brewster-Jennings WMD counter-proliferation network, by naming the front company in his column.
The coincidence of the Plame/Kelly dates–and themes–is too compelling to be ignored. I think Kelly may be the “dark” part of the Miller/Libby conversation in mid-June (the one Fitgerald had to agree not to question her about, to get her testimony for Libby’s perjury trial.) She knew Kelly. In fact, Kelly wrote his last email to Miller, on the day he died, in which he stated his concern about the “many dark actors playing games.”
I, too, pray that Fitzgerald has AF-1 phone logs. I think they may hold the key to the part of this conspiracy that we cannot yet see–the simultaneous cross-Atlantic whistleblower and his fate.