
(Photo credit to Rentahamster. What a cutie patootie pooch!)
The article about the Libby trial's broader implications that Sydney Schanburg has written in the NYObserver is a tightly crafted indictment of the entire malignant neocon cabal. To wit:
Day by day, witness by witness, exhibit by exhibit, Patrick Fitzgerald, the prosecutor in the trial of Dick Cheney’s man, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby, is accomplishing what no one else in Washington has been able to: He has impeached the Presidency of George W. Bush.
Of course, it’s an unofficial impeachment, but it will also, through its documentation, be inerasable. The trial record—testimony, exhibits, the lot—will be there, in one place, for investigators, scholars, reporters and Congress to pore over. It goes far beyond the charges against Mr. Libby. It is, instead, a road map to the abuses of power that Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney and their shadow government of neoconservatives have committed as the neocons carried out what they had been planning for years: an invasion of Iraq—and other military excursions—for the purpose of expanding American dominion….
Besides the damning notes from Mr. Cheney, accounts of conversations between Mr. Cheney and Mr. Libby and Mr. Libby’s subsequent conversations with other pivotal administration officials, there is at least one document, in Mr. Cheney’s handwriting, that suggests the President had direct knowledge of the campaign to discredit Mr. Wilson.
The trial and its record was always all about the unnecessary war—a war created by massive and deliberate lying about an imminent security threat that wasn’t there. That’s why the President and his men were desperate to shut Mr. Wilson up.
He was the imminent threat—to their delusional empire-building.
But the neocons are not the only folks with muddy paws in this case. I think Mary hits the nail on the head with this comment from yesterday:
I liked the Syndney Schanberg article. To me, it’s the only one that has clearly acknowledged the real import of the limited investigation – the President’s responsiblity and direct “misstatements” to the public about his knowledge.Although it is not the crime charged, with the Miller/NIE scenario, the Special Prosecutor walked responsibilty for covert domestic propaganda efforts, involving leaks of misleading cherry picked portions of classified intelligence, directly back to the President of the United States.
In case anyone was wondering, covert domestic propaganda planted by the Executive — not all that likely to be a legal use of covert information under the existing statutes. Aside and apart from the common law and statutory overlays of abuse and misuse of discretion, covert domestic propagandizing was not really a function ascribed to the President by the Consitution or any Constitutional scholar.
Win, lose or draw on Libby, putting into the public domain the information that the President himself engaged in authorizing covert domestic propaganda.
Add the now public domain information that, before Libby gave his “Aspens” letter to Miller, the President was, in effect, delivering his own “Aspens” pep talk to his nicknamed press corps. The Presidential wink and nod about how we may never know who leaked, bc Stretch & Co. had such a great reputation for not outing their sources stood as a pretty clear direction.
The White House press corps did a remarkable sit/stay, waiting for “sources” in the White House to plant the next pro-war, pro-Bush piece of disinformation firmly on the nose of the favored few reporters. Who needs a Pravda with so many Rovers?
Having sat through hours of testimony in the Libby trial, especially the intricate details of the PR machinations from the White House and the Vice President's Office as detailed by Cathie Martin from the stand, I keep going back in my mind to something that Eric Boehlert wrote in Lapdogs, because it is startlingly applicable:
Journalists are being actively undermined, yet reporters and editors won’t even put up a fight. Rather than pushing back by pointing out the absurdity of the conservative press attacks (most MSM members politely ignored the Schiavo memo blunder, for instance), or at least ignoring the haters’ endless stream of baseless accusations, MSM jouornalists, anxious to prove they are not liberal, toast the press haters’ tenacity, gloss over their radical rhetoric, and pretend they’re adding something to the public dialog.
When we had Sam Seder and Stephen Sherrill on to discuss F*U*B*A*R, we were all talking in the comments about how cowed the media had become on certain topics during the Bush Administration. At the time, I characterized it as "battered press syndrome." The more I think about the Libby trial testimony, the more I think that was an even more apt description than I had thought at the time. The way the Bush Administration — Vice President Cheney's office in particular — sees the media is as a tool for their increasing power dominion and nothing more. One need only look at the interviews with Cheney that Dan Froomkin cited yesterday to see that, in the full glare of daylight.
I think Mary's comment just brings to the fore a whole lot of questions that serious journalists, and their editors, ought to be asking themselves. Because I can guarantee you that we in the public will definitely be asking them.
Enough with the biscuits aplenty.
(If you missed our FDL Book Salon with Eric about Lapdogs, you can read it here. Great stuff!)



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FITZ!
Christy!
Morning all!
Biscuits!
Thank goodness, Trex’s thread was dizzying!
Fitz! Christy! Good morning may we have a verdict!
Madness! Madness!
I’m just waiting to read about the jury’s attire before I take a shower and get my butt to work.
Biscuits..with butter and honey..mmmmm….
Sorry..what were we talking about?
Fitznet stockings.
silly puppies…
coffee anyone? are we thinking “verdict” today?
Morning-I sure hope this turns out to be G-Day. I’m leaving for work shortly & will catch up with you guys when I get there.
Good morning all!
I delurked during the wee hours. I thought we might have broken something with 670 comments.
I smell a verdict today! Either that or I need to clean out the litter boxes.
If nothing else we are one day closer to the verdict. *g*
Waiting & Patience, will we hate these words soon?
EPUed on his megathread….got to head to bed…nightshift g’night dayfolk!{Iwant to wake up @ 1400 west coast time and hear libby got a 4-banger}
MariaSquared @ 7
Why, you want to wear what they’re wearing? :)
About that Cheney interview where he was to be quoted as an Administration Official,
I thought it was appalling to learn that reporters would use a misleading identifier — Libby insisting on being referred to as a former Capitol Hill Staffer, for example.
Now, I want to know how often the anonymous source is, in reality, the subject. It never occured to me that such a deception would used, but man, knowing what I know now?!
I’m stunned.
Howdy BurkeDem!
Welcome to the lake.
Millineryman @ 8
lol
MariaSquared @
7
Me too. If it’s jeans again, I’m going to put the whole thing out of my mind for the whole day. For sure.
Morning all.
I can’t see how the MSM folks can get up in the morning and look at themselves in the mirror without feeling shame. This latest Cheney ruse is so beyond the pale . . . .
We had all better make sure that we hold on to net neutrality so that we can have the blogs to go to for truth because the MSM has proven themselves a joke.
There are exceptions of course, Dana Priest and her team come to mind. I hope she has her own security taken care of.
Casey @ 18
as if!
egregious @ 17
Thanks, egregious (waves to a fellow Northern Virginian). I just wanted to say that I admire the work you do. Noble, indeed.
RevDeb @
20
Agreed. I was disappointed yesterday to have people label me a troll on this blog simply for pointing out facts about other ongoing investigations, which the MSM would never report otherwise.
Thus, as this post suggests, the Libby trial is just another way to open Pandora’s box.
A lot of these details are indeed disturbing, but they are necessary and must be made public if we are ever to regain our moral standing as a nation.
For some reason, I find myself thinking about Fitzgerald’s cat this morning (the one who got sent to the farm).
Is it just me, or are guys who like cats…kinda hot? ;) That could just be the crazy cat lady in me talking, though.
Casey @ 19
Yeah I know. Even though normally every day is casual Friday for me even I wouldn’t wear jeans on verdict day.
OrdinaryVanity @ 24
I was thinking about that cat a lot last night too. I was wondering if Fitz missed him.
I think it was Jane who wrote the other day about Scooter posing for the cameras… that is continuing to bug me seriously.
Bush’s problem.
If Libbey if found guilty Bush will either have to:
1.Pardon him. Then, I hope, the press will rise to the occassion and replay what the president said after th leak occured.
Even if, Libby does not work in the WH again Bush’s word will be further tarnished.
2. Cut him loose. And then, I hope the Democrats in congress have a spine and start a congressional inquiry.
Of course, the third option is that Bush will start war with Iran within days of a guilty verdict so that it will be all but forgotten.
OldCoastie @ 27
“Vanity, thy name is Scooter” just doesn’t quite sit on the ear and mind too well, does it? :)
OldCoastie @ 27
There is nothing that that crowd doesn’t do that doesn’t bug me. Mugging for the camera is just par for the course.
Instead of the normal shoutouts…
Schanberg!
Oh, can’t help myself!!
(FDL in general) (((Jane)))!!
verdictVerdictVERDICT! (in a good way)
Stock futures are plunging. couple this with a guilty verdict today and the repugs are FINISHED. Welcome home, Shooter.
no, it doesn’t! but apparently he likes the sound of it…
reba @ 32
Should I be putting money under the mattress? Just sayin’.
The Libby defense is that he was so busy he forgot the particulars of this case and anyway the things he was dealing with had such national importance this little business about Joe Wilson was too trivial to remember.
Well-Trivial? Wilson’s exposure of the facts had the potential of causing their house of cards to collapse. The potential to show that the administration had lied us into war and that the outing of Valerie Plame was a treasonous act, possibly punishable by death during a time of war, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of dead, possibly subjecting them to war crimes or charges of crimes against humanity and genocide.
When little Joe Wilson pointed out that the President wasn’t wearing any clothes, I submit that there wasn’t ANYTHING more important on Scooter’s agenda and he didn’t forget a thing.
These clowns counted on the press keeping it’s collective mouths shut, and didn’t think a Republican prosecutor would chase them so hard.
Conason on C-SPAN now
Elliott @ 36
Thanks for the heads up!
“If somebody in this administration is leaking information, I want to know about it.”
Apparently, he did. All those statements about “gettin’ to the bottom of it, people won’t work here anymore”–those were bald-faced lies, without shading or nuance. I’d like to see those video clips again.
Thanks, Christy, for pulling these threads together.
In dashing off a note to Bob Schieffer (referencing Schanberg’s piece), who recently fell into the Libby-trial-irrelevant / must-protect-sources mantra, I stumbled on the beginning of an idea I want to share here.
My hunch is that many of the MSM are so reactively source-protective — for honorable reason — that they can’t even *hear* much of this trial. It has become toxic because it represents an overreach by government into what they consider sacrosanct. In my note, then, I suggested that we look at the trial in a different way.
What say, for discussion, we stipulate that journalists’ statements should be dismissed because of how they came about? I realize, from Fitz’s perspective, this doesn’t work to prosecute Libby. But maybe it helps the MSM pay better attention.
So let’s just look at what’s in the record by the non-reporters. Cathie Martin. Ari Fleischer. Libby’s GJ testimony. All those meeting notes.
There’s plenty of insight there to indict this administration morally, if not to a prosecutorial standard.
Maybe we can get the MSM to wake up to the bigger story if we can distract them from their knee-jerk reaction to stick their fingers in their ears whenever anyone talks Libby.
Anyone with more talent & resources want to help push this along?
Morning all — just got home from taking The Peanut to preschool. How’s tricks with everyone this morning?
Hi Christy and all:
I know that we’re all fixated (not a strong enough word!) on a certain case today. But, at some point, I’d be interested in an update of your thoughts(as well as LHP’s and the other lawyers we hear from regularly)on the “fired U.S. Attorney’s story.” Josh Marshall is actually practicing journalism (what a concept) on this story and uncovering some not-so-surprising findings about the intersection of the the WH political office and judicial appointments… It sounds like the guy from New Mexico might blow the whole thing open.
Veritas78 @ 38
IIRC he said that if people in the admin were leaking, “they would be taken care of.”
That statement was the first clue to me.
Read last night that the power for the courthouse was going to be turned off at midnight for “maintenance”.
Is power back on?
as a contractor in a very red tn i rarely find like minded (or interested) individuals. Soooo I carry my notebook and find a hot zone several times a day to take a dip in the Lake. I’ve been lurking at one site or the other since prior to the 2000 theft. Last year I found Jane, Christy, trex, pach, etc. and my home page now has a FDL tab. IMHO this is the go to site for non fiction coverage of the Plame shame. You folks are top notch.
I really think that the “battered press syndrome” starts at the top. The cringing reporters are giving their bosses what their bosses want. Look at who’s been promoted, demoted, and fired over the last ten years and you can see it happening.
Everybody knows about Murdoch, Moon, and Scaife, and some people are hip to Disney and Jack Welch, but Sulzberger and Graham went to the dark side too, sometime around 1994.
I don’t know what Sulberger and Graham’s motives are: fear of advertisers, the prospect of tax and regulation breaks, and neocon hawkishness seem most likely.
Puzzling about the actions of individual reporters misses the point, and the problem goes all the way back tothe Clinton impeachment.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 39
Good Morning Christy!
Morning everybody. The lake has been on fire, dogs! Thank You all so much for shining the light.
Wearing my shamrock. Ready for the verdict.
RevDeb @ 36
I once saw him smile.
It’s not just a matter of misuse of power, but also one of unchecked greed (familiar bedfellows); let us not forget the billion dollar campaign seasons we see lately.
In the same way Cheney can claim to have filled the coffers of his favorite military and oil corporations with this no-bid war, the owners and publishers (Sinclair, Fox and Clear-Chennel most notably) can claim to have successfully gleaned their profits from our dysfunctional, desperate political campaign system.
God Bless the Blogs! If not for places like this, the public would be mere pawns, but “the internets” made us all participating citizens again.
Hospital Officials Knew of Neglect
Complaints About Walter Reed Were Voiced for Years
By Anne Hull and Dana Priest
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 1, 2007; Page A01
Top officials at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, including the Army’s surgeon general, have heard complaints about outpatient neglect from family members, veterans groups and members of Congress for more than three years.
A procession of Pentagon and Walter Reed officials expressed surprise last week about the living conditions and bureaucratic nightmares faced by wounded soldiers staying at the D.C. medical facility. But as far back as 2003, the commander of Walter Reed, Lt. Gen. Kevin C. Kiley, who is now the Army’s top medical officer, was told that soldiers who were wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan were languishing and lost on the grounds, according to interviews
WAPO
Check out the picture of the General’s house across the street!
To the image attached to the article, I say this – woof!
JEP @ 48
As someone pointed out to me, the WaPo prints A LOT of advertising by the defense industry and big Pharma. ‘Nuf said.
Imus going ballistic this morning about Nicholson and the General at Walter Reed and their cavalier attitudes about the vets.
It comes from the top. As Mr. Sunshine points out, Chee-knee fought the Battle of the Deferments like a warrior…something like the Trang Ho valley, no doubt.
Great comments by Greenfield earlier, too, on third-person accountability “mistakes were made” on the Imus Show. Deidre? 512 on the 1-10 shrill-o-meter. Ouch. Bob and Lee Woodruff on Imus tomorrow.
Salut this morning to hometown Fargo KFGO Radio, recently restored to local ownership from the cabal that is Clear Channel…now dumping Fox syndicated news for return to CBS Radio syndication. Limppeter already replaced.
And Fargo’s in the Top 100 school systems for music education. Taking off my one-person-advocate hat now.
shanburg has a fatal flaw…it’s a big one too, if someone can get this to him I would surely appreciate it;
sorry, that’s just plain wrong and a counter productive statement
the purpose was NOT to expand American dominion and whenever we use that type of reasoning we enable the neo cons
the ONLY purpose was to steal the treasure from America, Americans, Iraq and Iraqi’s
to steal from our armed forces who would squander our national security ability and resources for their sick maniacal scheme, to steal from the military families that would have to invest the lives of their children, the Iraqi families that would die at the hands of this scheme, to steal from the middle class and their children who would have to give their long acquired investments and they would have to subject their children to the debt to pay as well
the ONLY purpose was to steal, it was NOT for “American dominance”, that was their marketing strategy and I’m surprised someone as knowledgeable as Sydney Schanburg fell for it
Last October, Joyce Rumsfeld, the wife of then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, was taken to Walter Reed by a friend concerned about outpatient treatment. She attended a weekly meeting, called Girls Time Out, at which wives, girlfriends and mothers of soldiers exchange stories and offer support.
According to three people who attended the gathering, Rumsfeld listened quietly. Some of the women did not know who she was. At the end of the meeting, Rumsfeld asked one of the staff members whether she thought that the soldiers her husband was meeting on his visits had been handpicked to paint a rosy picture of their time there. The answer was yes.
When Walter Reed officials found out that Rumsfeld had visited, they told the friend who brought her — a woman who had volunteered there many times — that she was no longer welcome on the grounds.
phil (44) — welcome to the Lake! glad you found this place.
looseheadprop out there? have a question for you and Christy, figure as “former prosecutors” you might be able to point me in the right direction. How does one go about finding out whether there is an active investigation into certain parties by a U.S. Attorney? or is this not public record until a specific point in the investigation? let me know if you need an email addy to reply backend.
Better check the weather in upper midwest and northeast; looks like we have a possible ice storm coming, might lose power tonight if it gets nasty here in MI. Already have a northeaster blowing in off Lake Huron – wicked stuff.
Wow, I haven’t watched C-span call in shows for a while and now I remember why. Those callers are cuckoo crazy.
Christy, this mornings column has set me to thinking.
I’ve been lurking throughout the trial and I see how damning the testimony has been to the White House.
If Libby is convicted; do you think they have the gaul (or are depserate enough) to fire Fitz? That would be end game for them, politically, wouldn’t it?
Fabulous post Christy! The last several days have given us (finally) some great writing on this topic; from the surreal report of Cheney’s demand that he appear in print as a SAO, to this NYObserver article.
I would also like to draw people’s attention to the Lowell Bergman’s Frontline series (the 1st 3 parts are available for free download on the Frontline website). While I was dissapointed in the first 2 (they are still worth watching!) I felt that Bergman really found his voice in the 3rd part and really began to get the heart of what is wrong with the press. In two words: Wall Street. He really digs into the recent and tragic demise of the LA Times, since it was bought out by the Herald Tribune Company.
The Employee Free Choice bill is coming up. This is important! The obscenely wealthy have gotten that way on the backs of the people of the world, whom they use and discard. Now, I don’t mind being used productively, but I want to be able to trade that for something to improve the quality of my life, else why work? Please consider signing on with your support of this important legislation. Even if it fails to pass the Senate, the opponents go on record with their opposition, and we get to add to their resume when election time comes around.
Key JFK aide dies
Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr., the Pulitzer Prize-winning historian and Kennedy insider who helped define mainstream liberalism during the Cold War and remained an eminent public thinker into the 21st century, has died, his son said. He was 89. Schlesinger suffered a heart attack while dining out with family members Wednesday night in Manhattan, Stephen Schlesinger said.
perris @ 54
perris, I’d like to make a suggestion that you think of “American dominion” differently; think of it in business terms.
Dominion over supply.
Dominion over marketplace.
Dominion over marketshare.
Dominion over economic distribution system.
Never mind how that dominion was acquired. From this perspective, Schanburg is absolutely correct.
Rayne @ 62
ya, but their intention wasn’t “American” dominion, it was personal dominion, for their bessinesses and their own families
not for this country, not “American” dominion, they threw Americans under the bus, they threw America under the bus, they threw “American dominion” under the bus for their personal dominion
phil (44): I’m in Nashville! (another bright blue dot in a really red state…)
Rayne @ 61
Yes, I agree with your much broader definition of dominion.
Weather in WI is terrible right now and it’s obviously heading in your direction.
Prairie Sunshine @ 52
Wonder if Imus is up on this latest report: Soldiers at Bldg. 18 now subject to early wake-up call and to get ready their own rooms for inspections next week. http://www.armytimes.com/news/…..olo070228/
Could Bush named along with Cheney et al in the Wilson’s civil lawsuit? Or is he “above” that, too?
raven @ 50
The house in that picture looks like a prep school building. It also conjures images of an imperial house overseeing the swarming, “unwashed” colonized masses.
reba @
32
China does not want a nuclear war, and China is friendly with Iran — pipelines from the oilfields must gothrough Iran. So, is it too much too think that China jerked on the leash? China has been building up this power over the US for a long time now by becoming a major creditor. Our Rich White Men look more like guys in a monkey trap now.
I have not read much analysis of this, most sources I see are saying everything’s fine, this was expected — which makes sense since this was, I heard, a change in Chinese regulations wrt stock market(would love more info if anyone has any suggestions). But in that case, why was everyone surprised? Or were they?
perris @ 63
perris, they don’t think of America like you do.
They OWN America; it’s an umbrella organization and a brand that they use as they see fit.
You still think of it as a country.
Our new American civil war, already well under way, is to resolve this difference. We want our country back — and they are fighting tooth and nail to retain their holding corporation known as America.
Madness…..Madnessss….MADNESS
I’m feeling it….
Jury back by noon. Guilty on 4 counts.
Will we get to the bottom of this and have Congress start the investigations. The evidence is now sworn, it is in the testimony and the exhibits.
Attn: John Conyers
Subject: Impeachment Primer
Enclosed are the files from the investigation on the conspiracy to defraud the United States. Please find all documents to make case against Bush/Cheney & Company.
Yours Truly,
Patrick J Fitzgerald
Verdict day today?
Am wearing a navy blue coat dress & my favorite boots (vintage 80’s mint Charles Jourdan — my best Ebay purchase ever). If that doesn’t coax a verdict out nothing will.
Was going to wear the Bubba DVF wrap dress but Marcy and Tom nixed it. I admit, it was a bit overexposed.
halobeam @ 66
Yea, he read it this morning on the air.
De L u r k e r s!
N e w b i e s !
Good Morning Christy and Firedogs
a little random housekeeping -
**raven – KO had a young woman from Military Times on the show last night who apparently has been on this story for a while – and although I appreciate Priest & Hull doing their own independent story, I am disappointed they didn’t mention it
**did Jane really speak with Fitz yesterday ??? if so, can someone point me to that thread – thanks ever so
** can someone provide a link to that latest Kos diary about the generals threatening to quit
** and sweet jeebus Imus is on a very helpful tear, has he copped to his co dependence with Lieberman yet ??
raven @50 – Dana Priest and Anne Hull hit another home run today on Walter Reed.
Two lines of speculation both related.
Anne Hull is on a track to win a pulitzer to be announced in the next couple of weeks for her 2006 work on Iraqi soldiers. (Priest won
her Pulitzer last year for 05 work on CIA renditions, etc.)
And the second line of speculation is their combined work in the last couple of weeks on Walter Reid will get both of them another Pulitzer next year. Priest is on wapo chat at 11AM.
Jane Hamsher @ 70
VaVOOM!
Christy and all, there is a nice documentary available now from Yearly Kos which features all of you. I believe it shows the first meeting of emptywheel and Joe Wilson. I don’t have the link, but you can google Mark Bowllan, the filmmaker.
I had an inspiration the other day that when we get a good President in office, doesn’t it seem like a good idea to appoint Joe Wilson Ambassador to France? After all his family has gone through, a few years in Paris seems a fitting reward!
(from longtime lurker and big fan)
Jane Hamsher @ 72
Jane I’m older than you but speaking of vintage boots, I was rummaging in my basement yesterday and found my faux Mondrian go go boots from my high school days. Maybe I’ll wear them in support of a verdict today.
Jane Hamsher @ 72
This’ll spark some wild posting. How’s the pup(s)?
Somewhat off topic but it looks like another part of the N. Korea screwup is coming to light. Oops…
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03…..ea.html?hp
MariaSquared @ 78
I have my Mickey Mouse boots from Korea, wonder if they will help!
Jane @ 72 -
navy blue coat dress -> court dress
TheRealWorld @ 80
Topic, we don’t need no stinkin topic!
raven @ 81
Yes let’s all wear our crazy boots today.
I can’t seem to get a word in on this site, but I shall attempt to leave a comment again to correct the mistaken notion of Mr. Smith’s that the press is a passive entity or conveyor belt working in behalf of the dramatis personae of the power play currently under review.
In point of fact, the press is an active participant and has always, always encouraged, facilitated, enabled crises to sell papers and ad space. They are equal partners in the crimes committed by the Bu$hlerites, to be sure. As they have been with every other criminal enterprise that has emerged from the executive branch going back as far as you would like to go in the history of American government.
They are certainly not the helpless lapdogs the writer of this column has made them out to be.
Rayne @
56
Rayne -
Have you seen this?
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0228.html
We have topics?
Crazy boots day:
Mine have pom poms and tiny cups of cocoa with marshmallows. In case I get thirsty.
HotFlash @ 69
Too funny; my broker called the day the market was tanking. He was genuinely shocked.
I wasn’t. What had shocked me was that Alan Greenspan broke his silence the day before and said there was a good chance of a recession before year end. I’ve been waiting for this recession since Hurricane Katrina, knowing that Bernanke and the other powers that be have been finessing the markets to avoid it. But for Greenspan to come out and say something so pronounced actually rattled the rich white men I know.
And this broker hadn’t heard about Greenspan’s comments, even though he services the accounts of some of these rich white men. I told him that I wasn’t surprised because I knew the books are being cooked. He changed the subject right away…don’t know whether it’s because he thought I was on my moonbatty leftist soapbox or if it was too much cognitive dissonance.
And then Bernanke comes out a day later with his comments to counteract Greenspan’s. Sure. Ri-i-ght. They’re not cooking the books.
chun yang @ 77
That great idea, appointing Amb. Wilson to France. I thought he was retired though. :-(
“Our Rich White Men look more like guys in a monkey trap now.”
I think the trap you mention is made up of a hollow coconut shell with a short rope attached, tied to a palm tree, with one small hole drilled in the side.
Then you drop a few peanuts in the hole and wait for the monkey to climb down and reach inside.
That stupid little primate will grab hold of that peanut, and make a fist so tight, it can’t get its hand back out of the coconut unless it lets go of the peanut.
Those greedy little monkeys will let themselves be captured, butchered and boiled before they’ll let go of that peanut.
Is that the monkey trap you mean?
If so, that is a very good analogy.
I’m perfectly willing to wear boots today if it will help! I really need my life back, to speak in Wells melodramatic fashion.
raven @72..
Thanks.. I KNEW he’d flip if he got hold of that. I don’t particularly like Imus much, but the one thing I do like about him is his holding on to something like a pitbull if he is outraged enough and this time it’s in our soldiers best interest. Thank God… He gets a lot of guests that are in the spotlight, and his audience needs to wake the he** up.
On this, I give him the tip of the hat.. (go Colbert)
It’s only 7:58 here and we’ve already had rain, sleet, snert, ice, and snow. UGHHHHH. So, unfortunately, I’m wearing my very warm but not so stylish black Santana (canadian) boots with a nice stacked heel… I’m with you style mavens in spirit at least…
I’m sitting at the computer in my PJ’s and just put on my Doc Martins.. Hope it helps….
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 85
Yup, thanks, Stephen, saw it, but the subpoena process is moving slower than I am. They also have to hope that the right thing gets asked.
Hey, are you a member of ePluribus Media?
Maybe we should all bang on some pots and pans too–to give the truth back to the justice system.
**did Jane really speak with Fitz yesterday ??? if so, can someone point me to that thread – thanks ever so..”
Gabbly Gossip!
(that might draw the story out of ‘er, eh?)
I predict the jury will be wearing identical unitards, like a good jury…FROM THE FUTURE!
BurkeDem,
Thank you for your kind words of encouragement.
Jane Hamsher @ 72
If Scooter’s found guilty, will Faux News decide to do some sniffy coverage on Fitz-partisans? or maybe they will just cover Anna Nicole. Wah!
jackie @ 91
now that’s a picture!
Looks like the Bush campaign sloagan was true. He’s the “reformer with results”. Unfortunately, he has been reforming our democracy into a monarchy. It’s curious that Republicans still bow to him
perris @ 54
perris, yes, *yes*, YES. What is happening around us is not fueled by American uberpatriotism, this is simply *money laundering*. Don’t look at what they say, look at what they do. Starting from PNAC’s stated reasons does not lead to the observed results, but going from the results ($$$ from ordinary people everywhere into BigBiz coffers)leads us back to the real reasons. And if it sounds unrealistic, take a look at history. Greed for power and money.
Got closed out of the thread below, but just want to delurk. I check FDL every day for my political fix, and I want to give kudos to all concerned. One ignorant question: I can figure out most of the acronyms used, but what is EPU?
A DVF wrap dress? Marcy, she might have gotten Fitz’ phone number with that!!
halobeam @ 91
Yea, I actually like him in spite of his totally ridiculous stance on Leiberman, McCain and Santorum. When he is not doing the stupid stuff he does great interviews.
C’mon you guys, Libby knows where all the bodies are burried, and who put them there. What do YOU think are the chances that he’ll go to jail? How long would he live if he started spilling? Haven’t you read any Robert Ludlum? I guarrantee Shooter has!
The military hunkers down when reporters not its own might be in the area, even when there is no obvious scandal to report on, so imagine the mind-set after the Building 18 expose hit the public.
Editor and Publisher has a story on how the military crackdown on reporters extends beyond Walter Reed (see http://www.editorandpublisher……1003551716).
arkaytee — click on my name above, takes you to a “primer”. Scroll down to acronyms, EPU’s in there.
I want to know if Marcy and Jane have ALL of the power cords and such so they don’t run out of power today?!
Former federel prosecutor, Elizabeth de la Vega has a gem that rivals Schanbergs piece.
The Whole Truth about Libby and the Leak
“So yes, the trial of Scooter Libby has raised as many questions as it has answered, but we need not wait for the President and Vice President to answer them; nor should we wait for the outcome of any further criminal investigation. What is needed is a full-scale congressional hearing by the House Oversight Committee on Government Reform. Representative Henry Waxman (D. Ca.), the chair of the committee, has subpoena power and can subpoena telephone records, meeting notes, daily calendars, memos, and a host of key players whose testimony was not legally relevant in the Libby trial, but who obviously have intimate knowledge of the entire CIA leak case and cover-up. These figures would include Karl Rove, Richard Armitage, lobbyist Ken Duberstein, Colin Powell and Stephen Hadley among others. Finally, unlike the prosecutor in a grand jury investigation, Waxman can hold hearings that are public — in Room 2154 Rayburn Office Building, Washington, D.C. So the misconduct of these public men and women, our highest elected and appointed officials in the Executive Branch, can finally be judged by a much larger jury of their peers, the people of the United States”
perris @ 63
The “American” dominion has always been their “cover” story.
The Repugs have been playing us all for years with their acknowledged grifter’s skill by pickin’ our pockets in the name of
NationalismPatriotism.Time and time again, when the American Public is questioned about this subject, their response is:
“Coulda fooled me.”
arkaytee @ 103
EPU’d
:-)
Veritas78 @
38
You know, this is a great idea. Redd, if we can yank up some you tube’s I think they’d make great leads for our waiting for verdict threads. Remind all the visitors what Bush said he’d do when we knew about the leakers. If the MSM stops by and re-sees them, maybe a seed gets planted.
Attaturk @ 97
LOL
is Shooter back in the States now?
Yesterday emptywheel teased us with hints about a conversation with Fitz about Amherst rugby (?Jane nearby?). Pretty please…..
OldCoastie @ 114
Yes. He’s back in his “undisclosed location”
Jane, can you hide food in the Charles Jourdan boots if Fitz happens to walk by you?
would love to wear these today
oh, ok, if I wore leather and if I had $1300 to blow on cowgirl boots ;)
they even make em for Late Niters
AZ Matt @ 110
No, but they got a really, reeeaaaallllllly long extension cord.
Pat_AlexVA @ 113
I’ve wondered if after the trial, whether the press will call him out on this. Will they have the audacity to say, well, there is an appeal in process so we really can’t talk about it?
Why would we want to send the Wilsons out of the country, except maybe for a short vacation?
I’d vote for Joe if he was a candidate… Valerie, too. And those twins need an American upbringing; no offense to the Europeans, but these kids belong in America.
Or better yet, let’s just leave them to their inevitable civil fortunes, they can go wherever they want, and write books about all these questions on which we speculate.
Or Joe could host “FireDog Lake Late-Nite TV…”
Just another thought.
Jackie @94: Do we have the same stylist? PJs and clogs here.
Gosh, I hope it’s not too rude to chime in on Trex’s late night coming out party. Just like me to arrive late after the refreshments are gone. I’m in Northwest Missouri and last night the family was huddled in the basement with a big blanket hoping the house wouldn’t come unglued. Tornados were on the ground just south of us and the hail was pounding. I love FDL!!! deep bows with my nose in the tile.
Dumb trial question,
If Fitzy gets a verdict that greenlights the broader investigation of Cheney, won’t he just run into that same greymail defense they tried with Scooter? How would Fitz get around it this time?
BTW, merrell sneakers today.
Pat_AlexVA @ 113
I second that idea! I would also love to see a copy of that stump speech Bush made during the 2000 campaign promising an ethical administration.
I read somewhere that the Wilsons are moving to New Mexico.
Kurtz is on a rant b/c a few nut jobs made inappropriate comments about the incident with Cheney in Afghanistan on Huff Post. Huff Post took them down but Malkin saved them and Kurtz is also happy to get some help from her…
Rayne @ 70
yes, Rayne, but Shanburg should spell this out for his readers. Or they will persist in seeing this as some sort of nation-building American Dream gone sadly wrong, not simply naked greed. And they won’t understand what will happen next.
Pat_AlexVA @ 112
found it:
kinmo!
A hearty welcome to the lake!
Ok, off you You Tube to see if I can find some links. It’ll give me something to do. If we don’t lead a thread with them, at least the FDL Peanut Gallery ™ can enjoy.
In 2000 Bush promised to
“ask not only what is legal but what is right, not what the lawyers allow but what the public deserves.”
arkayte…. not sure but i think it’s evil parallel universe….when you get sidedtracked on a thread, menwhile the original thread is moving on without you…….kinda like my daughters at the mall.
Everyone keeps mentioning Team Bush’s desire to discredit Wilson. Since when did discrediting ones political opponents become a crime, or even something ‘wrong’?
Among other things the trial tends to indicate is that all those people who said Valerie wasn’t really a covert agent were correct (else, where are the Armitrage charges?)
Attaturk @ 98
How about a la Devo?
Do not feed the trolls.
Phil@44 and Bonzarella@64 – another long time Nashville lurker here!
Thanks, the water is warm and the company is too. I will go back to lurking and try not to refresh too often.
Oh Joy!
Bolton’s on C-SPAN now
Elliott @ 139
Yep. just turned it off. Shower time.
o/t
but even non Texans will love this -
Diary over @ Big Orange showing Senator Box Turtle in numbers trouble
DKOS
skips happily over to coffeepot
Well damn, that was easy. Here’s a nice summary video.
JEP @ 90
Yes. Thank you.
logikal 139: how-dee! I’m delurking on this rainy, rainy day… I had a strong feeling driving to work that today will be the verdict day, and thus, I am going to be madly refreshing all day in my office. Very nice to know someone else in nashvegas is as mad for FDL updates as I am!
alank @
85
One diference between the press fomented crisis’s of 100 years ago and now. Then half of the press’s revenue came form subscription fees. Now it is almost 100% ad supported. When “consumers” pay for journalism, they expect acccuracy. When journalism is ad supported, viewer’s think of it as entertainment.
Peris@54
“the purpose was NOT to expand American dominion and whenever we use that type of reasoning we enable the neo cons…”
I don’t dispute that they have gleefully profiteered from this war, but apparently, according to Kwaitowski, the expansion of our dominion that you doubt is well underway. Those huge military bases in the boondocks of Iraq are there to enable that expansion.
And who really has the power to say “NO.”
It will take a couple dozen more Democrats getting elected in 08′ to have that power back. Right now, the cons still outnumber the pros, in spite of the last election.
Attaturk @
98
You mean those Borat things?
From this morning’s juancole.com:
Hans Blix, the former UN weapons inspector, has spoken out against Bush administration negotiating tactics with Iran. He points out that Washington’s insistence that Iran capitulate to all Bush’s demands before negotiations even begin is “humiliating.” He also reveals that the Iranian civilian nuclear energy research program is much more primitive today than what Iraq had in 1991! And, in retrospect some analysts think Iraq’s program hadn’t actually had much success by then.
Link to source article:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap…..uclear.php
The compliance of the American press is not a new phenomena. I’ve been observing and bemoaning it for decades.
What’s fascinating is to talk to well-educated and intelligent journalists and hear them insist in all sincerity that there is no bias and no pressure to report things (or not) in certain ways. They insist that they are totally free. It’s like listening to a sardine tell you that he can swim wherever he wants in the whole ocean.
I think that people who compare the American press to Pravda and Tass severely understate the situation. Soviet citizens knew that Pravda and Tass were controlled. They had no illusions that their press was free and neither did the people working at those papers.
I’ve been reading this blog and Kos etc. for several years. There is always a sense of gleeful anticipation that the Neocons are going down….usually accoompanied by a comment such as “pass the popcorn”
But today the Neocons are on the verge of war with Iran. All the imcompentence and lies seem to have no effect. Will a Libby conviction have any immediate effect on the Neocons ability to continue with their insane policies?
quill @ 150
no
Woof!
What’s shakin’ this morning, Firepups?
I know someone who listens to Colin Mcenroe pretty regularly. Apparently he got back from vacation and is having sh*t fits over Liarman.
Pat_AlexVA @ 114
Why wait for the MSM to stop by? There is a toolbar at the end of every post that has a link to Spotlight. Clicking on that will take you to a utility for sending the post to various media and such. There are tons of menus and pull-downs and contact info, choose who you want to send it to and add a note. Hint: it is often more helpful to spotlight to your local media with a note to the editor making a local connection, ie, why this story is important here in Podunk. Even sleeply little local papers like to piggyback come local angle onto the news off the wire — makes ‘em remember the old days when they actually reported. You know, like ‘local woman’s second cousin once worked with someone who used to work in the hair salon where Britney shaved her head’ sort of thing.
Has court been delayed today?
annx at 156 — No.
John Emerson All the Way back @ 45
It is called ‘The Lobby’, John.
Rayne @ 56
You can’t. Grand Jury investigations are secret. The USAO and FBI are forbidden under panelaty of imprisonment from disclosing GJ information.
Now, the witnesses who recieve GJ subpeonas are free to talk about that and about their won testimony if they choose to. However, often the USAO or FBI will request that they keep quiet. This is not usually and enforcable request, but most people do as they are asked b/c they realize the seriousness of it
OldCoastie @ 29
“Vanity, thy name is Scooter” just doesn’t quite sit on the ear and mind too well, does it? :)
It’s a little better than “Vanity, thy name is Irving”!
irving libby. now there’s a “willie lomax” name if ever there was one
“And if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of.”
Hey, folks, read this Bushism a bit more carefully; if I was a leaker, this might actually give me some comfort, especially if I knew the President knew about the leak all along.
If Bush had said “the person will be indicted” or “the person will be fired” it might make sense. But read the actual words, and tell me, is he’s threatening or encouraging the leakers?
looseheadprop @
160
Thanks for the reply, looseheadprop.
Check your email in a minute, thanks again.
Logickal @ 138
Hey Logickal, pleasure, if the verdict comes back and Scoots has to frogmarch, maybe we’ll have to have a going away party down in the district or something…..
RevDeb @ 42
The neocons are very adept at verbal nuance. I offer you Tony Snowflake as my #1 in this area of deception. I hang on every word and every phrase because I believe that every word and every phrase is well thought out. Even Bush (ON A GOOD DAY THAT IS) trips the lip fantasic.
bonzarella @ 145 – Yep, surreptitious FDL browsing at work has been the watchword for me since the trial began! Wish the weather were better today, but you never know… we may be given the excuse to do our best Gene Kelly this afternoon!
As we all sit sipping our coffee and waiting, I wanted to thank the good ladies (and gentlemen) of the lake for their inspiring work.
“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”
Margaret Mead
“And if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of.”
And so he has! Think tank jobs, endless legal funds . . .
The markets opened today and dropped 1% in the first minute.
oddball @ 170
I think I heard that the market in China dropped 3% overnight.
JEP @ 162
Right, my first thought as well. “taken care of” with what? Book contract? Annuity? Pardon? A post in the Elliot Abrams admin?
kinmo @ 125
Kinmo at 125
Hope all is well after the hail and howling. I remember the sound of tornados from growing up in Missouri. Best to you and your family.
Go Firedogs!
squirrel hiller @ 161
Call him “Irving Lewis Libby” because we always give full three-word names to spree killers and the like.
Phil @ 164 – Maybe we could call up Mary and some of the other Liberadio and Drinking Lib folks and have a blow out! :)
Logickal @ 175
Easy sports fans, this ain’t over. Of course there is always, “drink if you win, drink if you lose and drink if you get rained out”!
Dow is down 200 points. Don’t think the Repugs aren’t watching. If Libby gets what he deserves, the markets will plunge further and it’s even possible that the faithful conservative base that still supports the criminal in the White House (80% of conservs) will stumble. STay tuned.
Welcome home Shooter
My local media is the Compost ™ and Trashington Times. I’ll gladly spotlight, but not sure how much it’ll help.
Attaturk @ 174
LOL! I am humbled to be in the presence of such intelligence and wit on FDL! Thank you!!
As was pointed out in an earlier post on an earlier day,
The initials are ILL
Phil @164 & Logikal @175: Yes, we should harness some of that TWA (Tennessee whup ass) in a massive celebration of fitzmas… Who is Mary? I have been meaning to join some of the drinking lib sessions, but haven’t gotten around to it.
And Crazy Horse 172: That is always how I’ve read the “taken care of” line…
Where is the jury? What are they wearing?
Attaturk @
174
Too bad his middle name isn’t ‘Wayne.’
btw Fired o’glakers, the stock market may be tanking but there were 135 new visitors over a 12 second period one minute ago. Wonder if they were expecting somthing?
Jane Hamsher @
72
To be sure, I was interested in Jane wearing it, because Ana Marie Cox has a dress very like it, but she doesn’t have quite the, um, stature to pull it off.
But I also happen to love Jane’s coat dress. That’s a fashion look I might just try out, if I didn’t have to shave my legs to pull it off.
kdh22 @ 178
nice thing to say. thankx.
unfortunately, dark times inspire.
hoping everyone continues to pray for Steve Gilliard. not at all surprised to see one of our resident mensches over there filling in
Rayne @ 163
Nothing new in my email?
Since we’re all sharing our fashion ensembles, this morning finds me rocking a pale pink Lands’ End cotton nightgown and OPI’s “O’Hare and Nails Look Great” on my toenails. I do not own a pair of boots. I could use them this morning; we’re 30 miles east of Seattle and got the better part of a foot of snow last night.
-S
Jane S. @ 129
Thanks for that; I guess Kurtz hasn’t had a look at the 22 pages of (mostly) hate posted on the same incident on the ComPost’s very own site!
Update from Orient Lodge
“It has now come out that yesterday at around 3:30 in the afternoon, the jury sent another request for supplies: “We would like another large post-it pad, the large one for the easel.”
Around the jury room, there are jokes about this. “The Libby trial, sponsored by Post-It”, “We need another contest, What will be the next office supply they request?” “I just hope they don’t try to make a three dimensional representation of the case.”
People are in good spirits here this morning; reporters are all dressed up, hoping for a verdict today. Many of them have bets on as to when the verdict would be. Some thought it would be today. Others thought it would have happened already. Not many people have been thinking it would go past today.”
EW, if you wear boots with a coat dress, you probably don’t have to shave your legs.
mui @ 137
I gave my spouse a couple of Devo t-shirts a couple years ago. I can’t tell you how many odd stares and laughs he gets when he wears the shirt with the “Oh No, It’s Devo!” graphic: link
Good morning, all. I missed the delurk/get ta know ya thread last night because I watched a mediocre movie (Albert Brooks “Looking for Comedy in the Muslim World” – great concept, poorly developed).
I’m still thinking the jury will deliver a verdict this afternoon. Probably after I have to work!
Dru @ 188
Exactly. And Malkin, who is the author of statements of hate on a regular basis.
bonzarella @ 180 – Mary Mancini hosts the Liberadio show on WRVU 91.1 on Monday mornings. She’s a really great person, I was an employee of hers at Lucy’s Record Shop back in the early 90’s. I’ve never been to any of the local gatherings either, but what a great excuse, right?
Raven @ 175 – Oh, I know… it could just as easily be contingency planning, right? Just another way to get us through another day of waiting for the verdict. :)
(edited – Raven, not Rayne… sorry!)
Finally time to comment on the post.
Christy and Mary What a fabulous combination!
I seriously think this post needs some spotlighting
Kurtz has been one of the worst enablers of the ‘freak show’ and the right wing noise machine. He comments about anonymous posters on Huff Post and gives Michelle Malkin, who regularly spews vile stuff, a glowing profile.
What a complete tool.
Dru–I just responded to that without even looking at the name. Thanks again for coming on Saturday. (I sent you a little note yesterday.) I love that card and am honestly planning to frame it. I want it preserved for my children to see what the face of justice looks like!
“We would like another large post-it pad, the large one for the easel.”
At 3:30 yesterday, they ask for more post-its? At this rate they’ll be going on for weeks.
Rayne
Where did you send that email to?
Not finding it.
Did you send to Yahoo addy?
Strategerie @ 189
You live in Washington and don’t have boots???
Professional lurker here –
To keep busy until the big announcement, why not read this piece of journalistic nonsense and then post a question to the 11:00 politics discussion over at WaPo.com. Courtesy of Mr. Howard Kurtz, media ‘journalist’:
htmlEvil Blog Posters at Huffpo
“Irving Lewis Libby”
As someone indicated on an earlier thread, his initials convey a lot!
raven @
55
This blew my mind speechless.
looseheadprop @
160
Well that bodes well for a verdict today, if the airports are due to be closed in the MW again.
Morning all– just an fyi, cspan3 is carrying this hearing live now:
Here’s hoping for guilty, guilty, guilty today!
oxide @ 198
I’m thinking not today. Maybe tomorrow. If I hear they are wearing jeans – I’m going to take a break and finally log off the internet for a half-hour …
Stop all this market negativity. Laura Bush says the economy is wonderful.
oxide @ 199
Maybe they are playing Pictionary
Heh. Maybe folks like my broker woke up and smelled the BS. Bernanke’s comments simply weren’t enough to do anything more than slow the correction down.
Ugh. Phone call. Stupid morons at the NRCC.
Good gravy, they must be falling apart if they think that the female resident in this household will call them back for a recognition (in exchange for a donation).
oxide @ 198
I am beginning to think that they are loving being on this jury and are in no hurry to bring this “experience of a lifetime” to an end.
Crazy Horse @ 204
I know, and all this support the troops bullshit and the military is the same clusterfuck it always has been. It will never stop pissing me off!
annx @ 196
Howie the Putz has the comments shut off too.
Badwater @ 207
C’mon its just the one crash a day that is getting everyone discouraged …
looseheadprop @ 200
AIM addy I had. ??
Badwater @ 207
“All people see on their television is one crash, and they don’t see all the good things that are happening like lay-offs and downsizing.”
- Laura Bush
Jane S. @ 198
It was my pleasure and a lot of fun!
emptywheel @ 205
Local news said flights from ORD are being delayed. No surprise if you look out the window around here, coming down solidly, can’t see more than a block away.
Woodhall @ 211, my thoughts exactly. Mebbe think they are the main attraction.
New thread upstairs!
A Politico review of the 75 judges Giuliani appointed to three of New York state’s lower courts found that Democrats outnumbered Republicans by more than 8 to 1. One of his appointments was an officer of the International Association of Lesbian and Gay Judges. Another ruled that the state law banning liquor sales on Sundays was unconstitutional because it was insufficiently secular.
Charles Posner, a Brooklyn judge appointed by Giuliani, made the kind of decision that keeps conservatives up nights when he was asked to levy a fine against a shopkeeper, Abdulsam Yafee, who had illegally sold beer at 3:30 a.m. on a Sunday. In an unusual, lengthy 2004 ruling, Posner found that “there is no secular reason why beer cannot be sold on Sunday morning as opposed to any other morning.”
Noting that Sunday is only the Christian Sabbath, Posner continued, “Other than this entanglement with religion, there is no rational basis for mandating Sunday as a day of rest as opposed to any other day.”
Giuliani was out of office at the time of the decision and, in any case, had no say over his appointees’ rulings. His spokeswoman, Maria Comella, declined to comment on the difference between the judges he appointed and those he promises to appoint.
http://www.politico.com/news/s…../2957.html
attaturk at 216: did she REALLY say that?
emptywheel @ 185
IMHO Someone would have to be crazy to shave their legs in this weather…….
bonzarella @ 221
No, paraphrasing what she said about Iraq a couple days ago.
If Libby is convicted, can Congress investigate Cheney’s involvement in outing Plame?? Out here in the boonies, we never heard of her until Admin outed her — no question.
Why are Limbaugh, Hannity et.al. not outraged at covert/overt agent outing? Isn’t it borderline treasonous not to mention dangerous to many lives and limbs?
I’m new to The Lake but think you people are fabulous. I have turned my 95 year old Phi Beta Kappa momma onto the site. She’s a regular and having a ball keeping up with you.
THANKS!!!! CLAP!!CLAP!!CLAP!!
Thanks to Rayne and everybody else who responded to my query, I now know all about Evil Parallel Universes. I thought that’s what we’ve all been living in for the past six years!
And just to highlight the geographical distribution of FDL acolytes, I’m in north Florida. Don’t blame me for 2000, though.
annx @ 214
I’m afraid Laura Bush is . . . how did Trex(?) put it, waving to the X*n*x fairy in her 30K ball gown(?) I guess we’ll never get less than a pasty smile and some gushing words of support for her hubby.
Rayne @ 209
Rayne, did you ask them about their terrorist financier extrodinaire? Maybe they’ll stop calling…
Attaturk @112: So Howie has his comments shut off. Reckon he’s just delaying hearing back from Arianna? Can’t see her taking his nonsense quietly, especially as HuffPo took quick steps to do the right thing regarding the inappropriate comments.
Woodhall Hollow @210: Had a similar thought re the jury yesterday. Wondered if this was lots more fun than their jobs.
If television has replaced religion as the “opiate of the masses”, what are Fox, et al? Crack?
Rayne @ 215
I ditched Aim. Try lhpfdl at Yahoo
If Fitz has exposed so much, and indicted only one, he’s not a hero, he’s a smart coward.
mui @ 227
she sounds more like her mother-in-law every day
tks — doing now.
Good Morning. My apologies to anyone who posted a question regarding my posting last night – I was not ignoring you, I just went to bed soon after posting. And thanks to all for “no flames”.
CTTOM—
Is yr mom a Smithie?
Again, I’m just being curious, not argumenttive. One thing I have never understood is why Libby used Russert as his “alibi”? If Russert is correct, the only conversation they had was one where Libby was reading him the riot act. Why on earth would you pick a person who is no fan of the administration, with whom the only conversation was hostile? Why not use Novak or Pincus, both of whom seem relatively friendly to the administration? Any thoughts?
Mikey — a number of folks here have speculated the answer lies in Bush’s comment responsive to early questions about the leak. Bush said (paraphrasing) that he’d take care of whomever leaked, but it would be hard to learn about the leak source because the press doesn’t give up sources. That was both an answer and a prompt or hint.
The OVP believed that the press would go to the mat defending their First Amendment rights and not disclose a thing. However, there is no First Amendment right to 1) witness a crime and fail to disclose it, if a witness stands to benefit from the process as reporters do; and 2) no First Amendment right not to testify in front of a Grand Jury since it is not the same as public disclosure. (See the Appeals court decision in re: Miller-Cooper, in particular Judge Tatel’s decision.)
They also believed Timmy to be admin-friendly, a useful tool, as evidenced by Cathie Martin’s comments.
Thanks! I had not followed the Martin testimony very closely, so I did not realze they regarded Tim Russert as friendly.
Awww, thanks for the Corgi hit. I surely do miss my cow-girls (long passed on to cow-studded pastures). The Corgi Commando Corps – voluptuous redheads, trained to kill . . .
Add my long-overdue expression of gratitude for excellent trial coverage. As a former felony defense lawyer, I’m enthralled.
Mikey (239) — you need to also make note of this explainer from emptywheel, adds the timeline component as to why Russert:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-531304
Proof that all the checks and balances are broken will arise when Libby is exonerated or convicted and pardoned.
Then what?
One thing here. The press is not stupid or cowardly. The reporters are doing what their CORPORATE masters pay them to do. There’s less ‘truthiness’ in news where there is less corporate influence. Sites like this are a prime example, but are only available to us high information types.
The whole lot of Neocons and their Prince ought to be questioned using the same techniques they’ve approved for terrorists.
To this day I’ve never seen a debunking of the very lucid story of Saddam’s death pits, which I’m sure exist/existed and probably held many thousands of bodies. On the other hand, I haven’t seen the first picture of them and I have seen pictures of tens of thousands we’ve killed/wounded/displaced. By now we must have killed at least as many actual religious zealots as Saddam had to deal with…and in a much shorter time frame. I guess we create graves and Saddam creates deathpits?
Many of us knew they were lying (about causus belli) when they were doing it, yet Hillary and many others pretend like they were lied into it? You’d think at least Hillary would have been a little more keen to lying bullshit males in power….
Enjoy.
I had a great dream last night; The jury returned with not only the Libby verdict, but added, “…and Cheney and Bush are guilty of treason!”
I had a great dream last night. Not only did they find Libby guilty, but added, “…and Cheney and Bush are guilty of treason!”
oops
Joe Wilson – June 14, 2003
“The real agenda in all of this of course, was to redraw the political map of the Middle East. Now that is code, whether you like it or not, but it is code for putting into place the strategy memorandum that was done by Richard Perle and his study group in the mid-90’s which was called, “A Clean Break – A New Strategy for the Realm.” And what it is, cut to the quick, is if you take out some of these countries, some of these governments that are antagonistic to Israel then you provide the Israeli government with greater wherewithal to impose its terms and conditions upon the Palestinian people, whatever those terms and conditions might be. In other words, the road to peace in the Middle East goes through Baghdad and Damascus. Maybe Tehran. And maybe Cairo and maybe Tripoli if these guys actually have their way. Rather than going through Jerusalem.”
19:46: http://next.epic-usa.org/epicd…..son-32.mp3
“On the other ones, the geopolitical situation, I think there are a number of issues at play; there’s a number of competing agendas. One is the remaking of the map of the Middle East for Israeli security, and my fear is that when it becomes increasingly apparent that this was all done to make Sharon’s life easier and that American soldiers are dying in order to enable Sharon to impose his terms upon the Palestinians that people will wonder why it is American boys and girls are dying for Israel and that will undercut a strategic relationship and a moral obligation that we’ve had towards Israel for 55 years. I think it’s a terribly flawed strategy.”
13:33: http://next.epic-usa.org/epicd…..-qa-32.mp3
The War Party – BBC
http://video.google.com/videop…..1338241311
Bushworld: Enter at Your Own Risk – Maureen Dowd
Two other steroid-infused manifestos would find a host body in W. years after they were written. In 1996, three men who would become Bush national security advisers and leading hawks in the whack-Iraq group — Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and David Wurmser — helped write a report about how Israel could transcend the problems with the Palestinians by changing the “balance of power” in the Middle East and replacing Saddam; they had prepared the report for then-Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Even the hard-line Bibi found the plan too far-out and rejected it. And in 1997, while W. was worrying about changing the Texas taxes and execution controversies, Bill Kristol, now of the Weekly Standard and Fox News, and other conservatives formed a nonprofit group called “Project for the New American Century.” They published a “statement of principles” signed by Jeb Bush and future Bush officials Rummy, Cheney, Wolfie, Scooter Libby and Elliott Abrams. It rejected 41’s realpolitik, called for a return to “a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity,” foreshadowing what five years later would become 43’s preemption strategy.
http://news.bookweb.org/graphi…..dIntro.pdf
Dick Cheney summed up in one word (sort of) see video:
http://minor-ripper.blogspot.c…..erman.html
There is one advantage of the jury being out so long. Shooter has had to come back to the country before the verdict, which I bet was not the plan.
Also did you notice I was right about the release of new “intel” on Iran, but of course that’s old news now as well, and still no verdict. Now they’ll have to find something else to try to blank the verdict with, and watch for Cheney to go off on another unannounced trip.