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Good evening, my little webutantes! How is everyone?
Me, well, I've been better. You know, I signed up for a yoga class because I wanted to do something good for myself and maybe try to introduce some physical activity into my largely sedentary lifestyle. It's been awesome, too. I've managed not to shred any mats with my giant TRex talons, and I've only knocked a couple of people down by swishing my big old tail. (Oops! Heh. Sorry!)
It was really nice of them to have class in a Boeing hangar so I don't bump my head on the ceiling, too.
However, at some point during yesterday's class, my third, I must have done something wrong. Maybe I overdid it. I felt fine all day, but then when I got up this morning, just as I was bending down to pick something up off the floor, my back lit up like a freaking switchboard. Ow! Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow!! Michelle Malkin must have stuck a pin in her TRex voodoo doll or something.
A heating pad, some Tylenol, and several hours later, I am feeling much better. I am following my yoga teacher's instructions to the letter, although she freely admits that her knowledge of Theropod physiology is somewhat limited.
Really, though. The heating pad is my new best friend. Good thing it's not the middle of the summer or I'd be one miserable lizard.
So, I was trying to decide what to write about tonight and realized that it's the perfect night for a big Invitation to De-Lurk post. Whoo-hooo! We know there's an awful lot of you coming through here these days thanks to the Libby trial, and we'd like to know who you are. Welcome!
Most of you who have been here for a while know how this works. We're inviting those of you who have never (or only very rarely) left a comment or introduced yourself to do so. We've made some of our best friends this way, including DreamingCrow and aliasofwestgate who were lurkers until our last Invitation to De-Lurk night.
Don't be shy! Come on in, the Lake is fine! Regulars, please make our little newbies feel welcome. I know that during the day, there may have been some isolated incidents of newbie-bashing, you know, when people show up and ask questions that make our crew of Plame obsessives roll their eyes, "What, you don't even know THAT?!" But I know that if I hadn't started reading here during the grand jury investigation, I wouldn't know a lot of this stuff either, so, you know, chill out, y'all. You were as ignorant as Sean Hannity about the particulars of L'Affaire Plame once too, you know.
This would also be a good time for any of you with questions that you've been afraid to ask about the trial or FDL or anything at all to ask away! No questions are off-limits or too obvious or too mundane tonight. Welcome to FireDogLake. We can't wait to meet you!
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TRex– hope you feel bettah soon.
i read the post first!
TRex!
I understand the back pain. Be good to yourself…and walk slowly.
Yes Trex, Careful with your back. A good soak in a tub of hot water to start.
WOW!!!!
I actually truly delurked at the Oscars and had a grand ole time. Finally, I could comment at some sort of an intelligent level since my hubby is in the biz (behind the camera type). But I have to say that this is such a friendly bunch. My own work is Museum Studies (I teach at the Graduate Level). This place, however, is my addiction. Especially now as we all suffer and wait. I think it’s just grand that a community can come together through technology. And a seat by the lake is one of the best. (oh yeah, and I finally figured out edit).
Madness! Madness! Madness!
(No, not you guys. Please, continue delurking.)
I usually read this blog every day. The posts are so complete I don’t need to ask questions and I learn a lot about the minutia and procedure of law. The explanations of the whole complicated Plame mess were great. I’m kind of addicted to the Plame case. I think it’s because I am amazed that this treasonous act of outing a CIA officer and all the lying about intelligence and of course the cover up has not stirred the general public. The only drawback is I seemed to have fallen in love with a certain federal procecutor (I’ve been married for 26 years). Since it is impossible to get real reliable news from TV or newspapers, I read a few select blogs. For the Plame affair, I read FDL. Thanks to everyone here for the great coverage.
I blame Connecticut.
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Welcome lurkers and new commenters.
I won’t be staying up late, but as one of the hosts of this crazy dance club, just wanted to pop my head out, try to look presentable and say thank you for your gracious choice to spend time with us, even if you choose to stay silent.
My name is Peterr, and I’m a Plame-a-holic. It’s been 20 minutes since I last refreshed the screen . . .
Yes Lurkers! The Trex wishes you make your presence known! Come out, come out wherever you are!
Besides, he has a hard day and probably just wants to hit the hay.
hi, belle1 :) I didn’t participate in the oscar discussion, so I missed you. Nice to see you here.
Peterr @ 12
Sigh. I think that is self-control. I manage that during the live-blogging, but when I am in the mood to travel in I don’t have that much discipline.
Madness…..Madness…..MADNESS
I am oddball and I am powerless over the Plame Game
I have, on occasion, de-lurked. But then comes the RE-lurk. Maybe I need a fancy hat like in your picture. Perhaps such a hat would embolden, or embiggen, my confidence?
Flexoril is your friend… he says in a slithering, pharma-sales-rep-like voice!
Hi All… I’m not sure I’ve ever “lurked” before. I’m too big of a loudmouth to “lurk” for long. But I’d like to say hi to any and all new folks who show up in advance. I’m supposed to join my next door neighbor for a birthday drink down at one of the depressing franchise restaurant chains but I’ll be back on later.
I hope you’re doing well TRex. Not sure they make a flex-tab the size of a basketball for you but a bucket of the m&m sized ones might work.
Welcome Lurkers, come out come out wherever you are
Welcome all.
If anyone from China is lurking.
Looks like the plunge is beginning again.
See what uncle Dow says tomorrow.
-GSD
*Links to Al-Jazeera for those concerned with NSA tracking.
OK. I’ll bite. I’ve been a lurker here for a year or so and have enjoyed it. I post once in a while at Dkos or BT. But I’m a very minor figure. Haven’t even been banned by Dkos. :-)
I have one question about the Libby trial. There was a case “sealed vs sealed” (06cr00128) on the DC District Court Docket since Spring 06. Has it been unesealed yet? Any idea if it’s related to Plamegate or not? Any chance it could be Shooter?
One last thing….the belle comes from my middle name…my grandma was a Texan. Way back, years ago when I started reading political blogs, belle was already taken. At that time it seemed like few women were reading so I went for the most feminine name connected to me. Not typical at all for my behavior. I added a 1 just to keep the stem.
Nate @
18
No narcotics for this dino. They don’t agree with my system.
And welcome, belle, and virgotex, and angelina and everyone!
Hooray!
Who wants a drink?
quake @ 21
Many, many, many of us have scratched our heads in puzzlement over “Sealed vs. Sealed”. My personal private theory is that it’s Rove being indicted on a whole other set of charges.
trying to make dinner…so better hold off on the drink. Though this continued waiting sure could make most of us want a whole lot of ‘em.
Oh, god, I am starting to love my heating pad with an almost unhealthy intensity.
Delurking to say hello and much more importantly thanks to the whole FDL crew. I don’t know what I’d do without it.
Wow, I get to come out again? I felt good for a couple of years after the first coming out (then I got jaded). I’ve been reading here for about a year and have posted a couple of times. Just wanted to say now how much I’ve enjoyed the intelligence and knowledge (and snark) in the postings and also the relative civility of the comments section. Seems like so many other blog’s comment threads instantly turn into pissing wars.
The only burning question I have on this snowy MN night is this: What is an occasional table the rest of the time? It’s been bugging me…
welcome quake!
(and if you’re coming to SF, please do feel free to call in advance.)
and welcome gregory!
(and through the miracle of
eidtedit -)welcome back gbear!
and welcome:
smapdi!
and dglen!
and johnnyyenagain!
and sweetgumroot !
[OK - enough temporal paradox - I’m draining my vital tachyonic fluids]
The lurkers may go to bed early, hence not many here tonight.
Welcome all lurkers!
I’m an “irregular” commenter myself, but this place is great! And for us Plameaholics it can’t be beat for up-to-the-minute commentary (and some great snark, too).
TRex…Epsom salts in a hot bath. Soak as long as you feel like it.
TRex,
I know a 35-foot Triceratops who is a Reiki massage master. Should I send him over? Massage and baths much better than drugs for back shock from using muscles you didn’t know existed. That happens in dinoyoga.
I guess if the rest of the sauropods had discovered yoga 70 million years ago, evolution might have taken a different path.
TRex @ 23
TRex @ 26
Fer gawd’s sake, don’t roll it up.
I followed a Jane link from HuffPo at the start of the trial.
Hi!
TRex! Thanks for the invitation to ask questions! Being as how I’ve been following FDL for quite some time with bona-fide lurker credentials, and being literarily (right word? real word?) minded, I was intrigued by a mention somewhere about your fiction (I think?) publications & have not been able to track them down, other than a co-author credit w/PZBrite. Tried to inquire by email, but it must have been outdated.
So, any clues to how we can track down the printed musings of the estimably-linguistic-powered TRex?
hi
i…i…. yes, i check here everyday, several times, reading, becoming re-invigorated, daring to hope, even checking now, at 11:20, hoping that the guilty verdict…..i mean, the whatever verdict has come in somehow (like checking the desk drawer for the fourteenth time for keys that just arent there).
thank you for kicking ass with your coverage of sleezebaggate. and for inviting me to delurk. i…i….
hold me…..
Trex – Sounds like a muscle spasm. Have you tried stretching it out? Sometimes that really helps. Sit on the floor with your feet straight out in front of you and stretch your right arm to your left toe, then your left arm to your right toe, then both arms to both toes.
This stretch was my doc’s advice and for me it really helps lower back muscle spasms.
Does anyone know where Marcy is? She hasn’t told us about her conversation with Fitz yet. I’m afraid to go to bed for fear I’ll miss it, but I can’t stay up all night cause tomorrow may be V Day. Maybe she went shopping with Jane?
Anything at all? OK – dude, what’s up with this (N. Koreann nukes)?
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0228.html
Was Bolton’s tantrum about (expertise about)… now what was it? I’ld really like to know the backstory about how we got to the deal.
OT..but I just read Jen’s update on Steve Gilliard’s medical status..it doesn’t sound good.
http://www.thenewsblog.net/
I got linked over to FDL about 18 months ago while gobbling up the slim pickings offerred by the MSM and the Internets about the Plame Investigation.
The fact that an ex federal prosecutor (regardless of ideology) was sharing insight was of value to me. Also, I still am not sure even now why this action by the government (the outing) has so compelled my ire and interest. That it has done so to others has offerred me some comfort and relief from loneliness.
The above describes my pretrial interest in the case. The fever of interest here since the trial began has compelled me to share and ask with the community for the first time. My comment @#6 above, “WOW,” is because I usually don’t get one in before #206. I’m getting better. Anyway, this is all new to me and I express gratitude to those who have welcomed myself and others in.
I’m still mostly a lurker, and a very occasional commenter. My first comment was on the night of the SOTU, although I’ve been reading this blog long before that. FDL is like a safe haven for me because it is so cool to be in the company of so many like-minded people. I love to read the musings of the regulars in the comments (you all RAWK!) and I have learned so much from all of you. And I give many thanks to Jane, Marcy, Christy and Pach for the live blogging of the Libby trial (as well as a few chunks of change to the tip jar!) – without that live blogging I probably would never know as much about this case as I do now. Long live FDL!
I thought Egregious was a girl?
Hi. I’m working days, which doesn’t normally take me completely out of commission like this as far as blogging is concerned. But I’m still trying to move forward–baby steps, anyway–with the Independent Bloggers’ Alliance site.
Added a little blurb to the “About” page. Like I said, slowly plugging along.
karen allen @ 43
egregious with a small e is… Are they different posters?
I am a great believer in ice rather than heat in the first day or two. The muscles are all inflamed and the best thing is a little rest and ice or cold pack or a bag of frozen peas. And maybe an “Aleve” pill or two. Works pretty good. I am old and my body rebels often so I know the routine.
Love the FDL site. The best and most informative for all things Plame….and most other political stuff. I made it to the Libby trial twice. It did not disappoint. Just as this site does not disappoint.
Take care of the back. Ice it!
TRex @ 24
As private theories go, that’s a good one. Anyone who knows what it is, isn’t talking; anyone who claims to know what it is, is guessing. Even connecting it with the Plame case is speculation. Informed speculation, with some circumstantial stuff on which to base it, but speculation nonetheless.
And TRex, I’ll have a single malt scotch. A 16 year old Lagavulin would be nice — Neat.
dglen @ 36
Right now the only thing I can think of that would be easy to find is “The Curious Case of Miss Violet Stone” in Shadows Over Baker Street. I was just happy to be in the same anthology as Neil Gaiman.
Same poster. Sorry about the upper case E.
karen allen @
43
a lady. with a small first _e_
karen allen @ 43
indeed she is.
NO NO NO!!!
Ice first, my theropodian friend, then heat.
Dept of InJustice
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TRex @
26
I’ve, errr, known fellers like that…
I usually lurk, but do post sometimes.
I realized today I am addicted to FDL… I was here today waiting with the rest of you and I really needed to get to the post office to see if a check had arrived that I was expecting.
It took all the strength I could muster to pull myself away and actually go out. I was gone exactly 30 minutes and came right back here as soon as I got home. (The check was not there.)
So I my have a breakdown if I have to leave again tomorrow if we don’t get a verdict before noon.
Wow…. I don’t have an addictive personality… really, I don’t. :)
Just coming up from my alwayslurking to let T-rex know how much I enjoy his posts,especially when he’s goin’ in for theKIIILL!!
If it wasn’t for this blog(and a few select others)my constant stomach turning probably would have killed me long ago.thanks to all of you for all your hard work and energy.What a great community is here!
just one thing,though–where can i get a”proud Firepup” bumpersticker?
Hi TRex and thanks for the de-lurk invitation.
I jumped in the Lake at the beginning of the Plame trial and am rapidly becoming a regular lurker, er, reader… I’m a sculptor living in northern NM… working in cast glass and bronze media.
I really appreciate the intelligent, well-written posts… altho I admit I was a bit taken aback one evening when you called some Repub shill a “genital wart”…! Then I laughed.
But STDs aside, I think that the Libby trial and whatever fall-out ensues (please God!) is the only hope for redress and airing of the lies that Bush et al. used to get us into the war.
Which leads me to my first question for the esteemed swimmers here:
AFter the first day of the trial, ALL of the talking heads were actualy speaking the word “impeachment” for trickie Dick II… Then there was the state of the union the next night, and no one has mentioned it again… that I’ve heard.
Did all of the corporate media reps get their revised “talking points” that excluded the word impeachment? Is there any hope of the whisperings coming back? What do you guys think? Thanks…
Thanks, T! I have a mission now and shall report back to you. (I agree about Neil G. –Pretty good company.)
For you Plamalcholics here is a fix to get you laughing by Fiore:
http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/
“Genital wart” is one of TRex’s kinder comments, haha.
TRex:
Ibuprofen is a wonder drug for musculo-skeletal issues.
Trust me.
Lake people. you are my tv tube. nothing moves around on my
apple unless I click. and you, sir, are as good or better than
godzilla. I think a starlet passed away and she had a very young
child. That’s all I know. Don’t tell me. I do know there is a war
going on.
hello all voyagers and welcome to your well-deserved speaking role. each of us stepped over the threshold at one point, and i encourage you all to follow our example. it’s fun being onboard and having an online persona here at firedoglake.
please don’t hesitate to join the “donate” pool as well — it’s the ultimate feeling of belongingness to know that my wee contributions, tidy and plain though they are, have helped fuel this great Plame House adventure.
present at the creation of a new media paradigm, etc.
Lovin the lake, made it my home page.
karen allen @ 60
Loved you in Raiders Of The Lost Ark! ;>)
Hi – I actually de-lurked myself briefly earlier today in the comments to one of Marcy’s posts. Now that I’ve been invited, I’ll do it agin. I have been a political blog addict for a couple of years now, and have been trying to cut back. I was making some progress until FDL’s live-blogging pulled me back in worse than ever. I’m an ex-lawyer, and clerked in federal courts for a couple of years. Until this trial, I never could have imagined wanting to be a prosecutor. But this Bush crew sure needs some serious prosecutin’. (By the way, earlier today there was a discussion about the on-line gambling odds for a guilty verdict. Is there a line for whether a Scooter conviction will be flicked away by a friendly appellate court, or a pardon?)
I’ve really been enjoying the posts, the comments, the whole vibe here. And Mr. Rex, I really enjoy your snarkosaurusly delightful writing.
An occasional lurker who greatly enjoys the site. Have posted once in a great while on ESCHATON, but nothing of any great import. Thanks for keeping us all informed.
Hi, I’m Chuck, I’m an American but I teach German at the University of Tennessee. I, too, lurk once in a while, but I have to say that I’ve always found the motto at the top of the blog puzzling, almost unnerving, probably because I don’t quite understand how it relates to the content! LOL – But that’s just my own stupidity.
However, I really, really appreciate the work y’all are doing on the Libby trial, and I always smile when some of those major publications out there that spend so much time knocking blogs refer to FDL for the latest and most accurate assessment of the day’s events. Keep it up!
Auf Wiedersehen!
SteveAudio @ 61
Yeah, and make sure it’s at least 600mg. That stuff is magic!
So, I got laid off today, effective tomorrow (7 of us, a 10% RIF because Medicare is pulling a bunch of our contract funding at a time when we are already way over budget). Now, frigging tomorrow morning I got my exit interview, and I betcha anything the jury will come back while I’m doing that.
FITZMAS!!!!!
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BANANAS!
They are high in magnesium and phosphorus and other minerals your body needs when working out. Sore muscles and spasm are usually caused by a lack of these essential goodies. Always does the trick for me.
Great 2 C all the new e-faces in here. This is indeed the Best Of All Known Blogs and it’s good to hear from the lurkers and PayPal-pushers!
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Well whaddaya expect, TRex… Therapods like yourself should stay far away from Yoga classes. You’re so ill-suited for them! No WONDER your poor back is strained, having to fold those pathetic tiny forelimbs into your “lap” (and I do use the term advisedly) while crossing those mighty legs and saying “OMmmmmm” — and you don’t even have enough lips in front of those formidable incisors behind which to produce the Mmmm sound… Let this be a lesson 2 U — imho best stick with munching tasty hypocrites and stay away from Eastern mysticism. :) :)
Hope U feel better soon!
Based on Wolverine’s excellent start on “The Wrath Of Big Patrick Fitzgerald” that we adapted from Gordon Lightfoot’s original lyric of “The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald” … some FDLers seemed to like it…
SteveAudio@65: Thanks. And I used to be married to the former governor of Virginia, George Allen.
Trex::: it sounds as if you have pulled a muscle in your back;
so relax, lots of heat and sleep , and in about a week you ‘ll be fine.
No abrupt movements and no heavy lifting; and i am sorry to say ,
no yoga right now. The pulled muscle will heal up but it does take time; robaxacet is the over the counter drug of choice for some; i don t bother with it ( this sort of thing happened to me when i moved a credenza by myself). Take care.
SteveAudio @ 61
It really depends on the underlying cause. If you just need to get the initial inflammation and pain lessened in order to stretch and work out the muscle, it’s a godsend. If there are other forces at work causing the muscular inflammation, then it’s just a temporary fix (albeit a good one!)
So sayeth the bdu (on 800mg ibu myself)
chuck @ 68
BobbyG, UTK class of 1985. Go VOLS!
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TRex,
Yoga injuries can really sneak up on you. About 3 years ago I hurt both knees pretty badly in yoga class. Like you, I felt nothing at all during the class, was feeling good actually. Came home and sat at the computer for about an hour, got up and I could barely walk. In fact, couldn’t walk normally for 2 months after that.
I think the lesson I learned is, don’t push it. And be careful out there, people!
notes from a physician and chronic pain patient [the same guy]:
After years of heating pads [which felt pretty good if I could keep them from burning my skin off], a nice lady message therapist smiled and said, “wrong!” She sent me to the hospital supply store to buy two cold packs [the very big kind]. She said, “Put a towel on top of it to protect the skin, and when it runs out of cold, swap it with the one in the freezer.” It not only treated the symptoms, they cleared up a lot faster. There are all kinds of medical reasons why they work a better than heat, but the explanations are just lofty words wrapped around a great mystical truth.
chuck @ 68
Willkommen!
GSD @ 20
Thanks for the tip. The Dow will likely follow suit tomorrow. Maybe a favorable computer glitch this time will help prevent a bigger slide. Does that AJ link consistently provide Chinese stock market information?
A Hermit @ 52
Hrmmm. I was told no heat for a spasm of this kind, that the muscles are already inflamed and contracted and cold would make them contract even more.
The heat really is helping. It’s downright delicious, actually.
I just thought of something. February is ALWAYS one of those months that seem to go on forever. Tomorrow is March 1. I’ve been waiting for this trial to get to verdict, waiting for work things to move on my husband’s side, waiting for my daughter’s college decisions etc, etc. LOTS of waiting. Now that February is over can we PLEASE have resolution.
L U R K E R S !
N E W B I E S !
I’m a Late Nite Lurker with occasional forays in to the comments, but I peek in on your raucous asses every night before retiring
so sorry to hear of your plight Dino Boy – keep doing what ever feels good – and good on ya for the yoga
sometimes the old ways are best
Yoga is the best thing that ever happened to me! But it can really fuck you up. No doubt your yoga teacher has said: Listen to your body.
Sometimes I have to ignore the yoga teacher because my body says not to go there. Maybe someday but not now. (And I’ve managed a lot of somedays since I started ten years ago.)
Anyway, Firedoglake’s one of my regular stops in the blogosphere; looking forward to seeing Scooter in chains!
TRex – When your back goes out like that take anti-inflammatories (like Motrin) and get an icepack on it immediately – on: 20 minutes, off: 60 minutes, on: 20 minutes, etc. You can switch to the heating pad later, but initially you want the ice to get the swelling down. When you lie down, go flat on your back with 2 pillows under your knees to push the small of your back down flat. Avoid the exercise until you’re healed. Walk briskly instead. Best excercise for a bad back is walking. You can also do stretching excercises to strengthen it – try to strengthen your stomach muscles because those are actually what’s supporting the back (and it makes you look good too). Sitting is the worst thing you can to your back. If you have to sit, get up and move around frequently. When you bend over, especially to pick something up, use your knees. Never bend at the waist. Trust me on this, please. This is what any doctor will tell you. Take care of your back or it will plague you the rest of your life. Take care and be well.
Ooh, a coming-out party! Pity I can’t do that here at home….
I’m long a fan of TRex, Jane, Christy….and punaise, and, and, and.
Y’all make my night at work so much more interesting. Thank you all!
BobbyG @ 70
Sorry about that. Maybe somebody from here could ring you up, if the verdict comes in.
Hola everyone! I’ve been reading avidly for months and posting occasionally for a few weeks now. As it happens, dreamingcrow is a friend of mine IRL, so I was delighted to see her here. I also recognize a couple names–phoenix woman and paul lukasiak–from back in Table Talk days.
TRex, some non-narcotic things that might help are:
–ibuprofen or naproxen (anti-inflammatories) instead of tylenol
–alternately you could take several capsules of turmeric, which also acts as an anti-inflammatory (but doesn’t have any pain-relieving abilities)
–a hot bath with 1-2 cups of epsom salts dissolved in the water (but be ready to stumble directly into bed ’cause it’ll knock you flat)
–a nice big dose (1000-1500mg) of calcium, which acts as a muscle relaxant
–alternate heat with cold; believe it or not, unless you put it on your bare hide it’ll feel good
Al-Jaz usually covers world news pretty well.
For Chinese news I check out Xinhua , it is the state news service but it gives an idea as to what the biggest bunch of capitalist commies in the world are thinking.
-GSD
hope y’all caught Coach Summitt : )
I was just trying to be nice!
George Bush has lost Uncle Walter much like LBJ did.
Cronkite In CBS 5 Interview: Iraq War A ‘Disaster’
http://cbs5.com/local/local_story_054223026.html
The air-activated heat wraps can also be helpful, especially when getting about – like Thermacare. Weird how hot they can get and last for hours. Goes well with an anti-inflammatory and marijuana.
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Okay, I’m delurking. I discovered FireDogLake through Huffington Post. My question is where did the name FireDogLake come from?
Also, TRex, I agree with everyone who suggested ice first before heat. Here are the rules of healing injuries that I learned in my running group: R-I-C-E. Rest, ice, compression, elevation . . .
Oh, and TRex, I’m feelin’ ya on the back pain…lots of kind people have posted some great suggestions tonight, and I hope you find the right combo to give you some relief!
A hearty thank you to all for some of the most interesting, informative reading around. FDL gives me the adult conversation I craved when my children were young. Now that I’m caring for a dear little grandson during the days, nap time finds me immersed in the latest post.
I will be the devoted reader, appreciating the sharp, loving wit,humor and insights that characterize FDL.
Patricia
De-Lurking only to say… Wow! The liveblogging of the Libby Trial was the finest example of what can be achieved when intelligent people come together with a new medium. I’m thinking you guys may have set off a wave of ideas through the web-o-sphere. Innovative!
Cheers!
chuck @ 67
Hi, Chuck. There’s a song called Los Angeles is burning. well, that may be the subtitle…but if you click the link and read the lyrics, it may make sense to you.
chuck @ 68
Hertzliche Wilkommen!
SteveAudio @ 61
I second that. I herniated a disc and after I stopped the pain killers (made me dopey) and the special 5-day anti-inflammatory, I recovered with a combination of physical therapy and Motrin (bigger than average doses, I must note). After five weeks of intense pain (I couldn’t stand up straight), the pain went away and I was discharged at the end of week six. Motrin and physical therapy — no surgery. If the pain persists, go to the physical therapist.
cbl @ 90
Yes, I did.
And we spanked the Gators!!
BobbyG @ 76
Guten Abend, Chuck!
My turn to ask a question (more of a comment really, but I’ll phrase it as a question), though I’m far from a lurker: Pat Summitt as a UT cheerleader?
Hi
I’m an English expat in Australia, so I have been reading a whole day’s liveblogging each morning (terrible for getting the day’s work done, but I join the chorus of praise for the team: not just for the brilliant liveblogging, but for the analysis and digressions), and I’ll find out that Fitzmas has arrived long after you guys do (which is an odd feeling, because we have Christmas a whole day before youse). I’ve read FDL for ages, but I rarely comment, since I’m not a participant (although I think your outcomes will affect us all, one way or another). I heart TRex though. It’s time for teeth and claws. The other side has been using them for years, and letting them set the agenda has put America, and the world with it, into a bad place.
Hmmmm, I see Kirk Murphy is still here, but I’ll try again anyway.
Mayor Rocky Anderson of Salt Lake
city, Utah is really impressive.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/wo…..hp?id=9310
I wonder if FDL ever speaks of him.
Hi TRex,
Is the Taco Stand still on Milledge Ave?
AZ Matt @ 92
At Cronkite’s age, he has every right to be a bit less sharp than he used to be. I’m glad to see he isn’t exercising that right. He still has more intelligence and integrity in his fingernail clippings than BushCo has in its collective head.
quake @
21
Could be, maybe not. Turns out the GJ that issued the Libby indictment was also meeting on the Abrahmoff Scandal. So perhaps it is a sealed indictment on that, or another case.
In favor of it being related to the Plame case…most of the Abramoff conspirators have been decloaked…although we must remember that dear Jacky offered to cooperate with the Feds. So he might be squealing like a stuck piglet…much like our darling Scooter Flippy will soon be doing!
Michele @ 94
Jane’s explanation is that it’s her idea of a good evening: sitting by the fire, with her dog Kobe, watching the Lakers.
randiego @ 69
Hi pups -
Ibuprofen and other NSAIDS (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs – Alleve, Motrin, etc) can be very effective in relieving pain from inflammation. These drugs appear to work through the same mechanisms as does aspirin.
Like aspirin, the NSAID’s can irritate the stomach lining: eating them with a few crackers and some fluids can help prevent this.
For people taking lithium – the NSAID’s increase lithium blood levels.
For people taking “blood thinners” (anti-coagulants): the NSAID’s can further thin your blood, and make bleeding more likely.
For people with a surical prcedure in the next week: NSAID’s/asprin make you slightly more likely to bleed.
Please call your surgeons’/ radiologists’/ dentists’ offices to see what they want you to do before the procedure/surgery.
If you take NSAIDS/aspirin daily as directed for arthritis or other chronic conditions, please talk with your doc’s office if the surgeon wants to stop the NSAID – they can help with alternatives to pain control.
(Assuming the docs/nurses have the time to return the call – and this is not a slam. It’s a sympathetic admission.)
Hey y’all. I delurked just today! But I’ve been refreshing the site every 20 minutes for the last few weeks.
I love the Fitz love. It tickles me that he graduated from the high school I went to 21 years before I did.
belle1, I’m a grad student in English and just got into museology (Daniel Libeskind esp.)
BobbyG, so sorry about the employment news, man, but now you’ll have more time for spanking Gators!
Just delurking for a moment. I have been a recovering blog commenter since breaking the serious jones I had for Howard Dean. I find NOT posting to be the only way to have a life – I can keep up with my favorites by skimming the front pages and the comments. If I start conversing with the fine folks I could be lost again.
talesof twokitties @ 105
Yes, and just as cheap, delicious, and satisfying as ever!
Thanks for all the back advice, guys. Right now I am on a cocktail of Tylenol and Alleve. I’ve got ice packs at home and will try them once I get there, since you guys are all of an accord on that.
So nice to see so many new faces!! Hooray!!
I love these nights.
chuck @ 67
bedlam is dreaming of rain
I’m delurking – this time – to pose the question; don’t we all, everytime we post?
TREX. Keep up the good work at the gym. Our bodies are amazing things and they love exercise. You’ll eat better, you’ll sleep better, you’ll… (ok I got nothing.) Keep up the good work!
TeddySanFran @ 111
Thanks, Teddy.
I’m fine.
My wife is agonizing over the same shit. She’s having to RIF about 10% of her people, ‘cuz her company has been hit a a lot of federal contract take-backs. Bushworld coming home to roost everywhere.
_
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Awwww, geez, I love you guys sooooo much!
A favorite bumper sticker of mine from the Reagan 80’s said:
If you think the system is working, ask someone who isn’t.
TRex @ 113
Too true, but admit it TRex: you love every night. All the tasty snark, with little nips at the occasional troll who wanders in when you put out the bait.
And we love these nights, too.
Lynn @ 104
I’m a big fan of Mayor Anderson. And TRex.
If Ibuprofen is hard on the stomach get a scrip for Lodine aka Etodolac 300MG. Boy, you can tell here who has back attacks.
cinnamonape @ 107
Hehe.
Sorry for the, uh, what is it? Post-whoring? Anyway, a bunch of the people on gabbly thought it was funny, so I’ll take the risk of repeating myself. Feels kinda late-night-ish, especially given the high probability that it’s Fitzmas eve.
Raph Levien @
63
Hey EvilDrPuma: Could you be the same Doc from the SmirkingChimp? I miss the old days of TSC, and now love to lurk around here and a few other places.
Welcome everybody and very nice to meet you!
Ice first, TRex…
Sorry BobbyG.
g’nite all.
TRex, the delurking suggestion is a great idea. I now from my stats that people are reading my Libby posts…but from the paltry amount of comments on TalkLeft, one would never know it. It’s like I’m talking to myself. I come to FDL not only for Jane, Marcy , your and Pac’s updates, but for the conversation.
Registering to comment on FDL is so easy. You don’t even have to use your real name. We bloggers need some love…to know not only that we’re being clicked on, but that you appreciate the effort.
FDL has started a movement on the Libby trial. We need to keep it going for future trials. So please do what TRex suggests… I’ll be reading as will all the other reporters and bloggers on the case. Let us know by posting here that you care.
TRex @
113
Ah, good to know. Athens is, after all, the place where I did come out back in 1982!
Alright, so I’m delurking at FDL. I post over at BlueNC.com where we have our hands full. I come over here for a break and because you all supported Larry Kissell way before the DCCC acknowledged there was a race going on.
blue e @
114
Nicely done, blue e. You beat me to it.
Since we’re asking questions…I hear there’s some trial going on in DC but haven’t had time to pay much attention to it. Anything interesting going on I should know about?
Delurking to second (or third) the Advil recommendation. I rarely post but I read FDL almost obsessively when not at work.
Just saw this tonight — Feith now has a website in which he plans to just what he did in the run-up to the war. This is not a joke although if you look at the website it might seem like one.
http://www.dougfeith.com/
Hope your back is better soon T-Rex
My Chiropractor told me about the herb “Devil’s Claw” many years ago as an anti inflamatory for periodic back pain instead of the standard chemo relaxant things. It works amazingly well with no mind numbing side effects. Not meant to be taken on an ongoing basis.
Jeralyn Merritt @ 126
Jeralyn! Will tomorrow be the DAY!? Will we finally learn?!! Will Fitz be a happy guy?
Jeralyn Merritt @ 126
Jeralyn! Good to see you tonight, and thanks for your expert voice in the Libby trial discussions.
Thanks Dover Bitch!
And TRex!
Now there is one super Progressive……..
Mayor Rocky Anderson, Is he running for another office?
Mickey @ 78
My brother’s a great PT in a sports performance lab. He also works a lot of patients on contract. I wish I could get him to describe it, but I’ll try:
Pain receptors in the brain aren’t sophisticated enough to know whether you just twisted your ankle on a basketball court or were bitten by a saber-toothed tiger.
When the musculo/skeletal system receives physical trauma, it responds by sending fluid (inflamation) to that area. One purpose only: fight infection and save the life.
According to my brother, the fluid impedes the healing of tissue. Therefore, get rid of the inflamation asap. How? Ice, Elevate, Ibupropen.
I don’t know how this applies to the back as I’m accustomed to using it mostly on joints. You might want to do a little on line investigation.
Nooooooooooooobbbbiiiieeeesssss!! YAY! I like these posts, we always meet such interesting folks when they lose their FDL comment section virginity.
Hi, I’m fini and I’m a FDL commentaholic.
Can’t go to bed without my TRex snark! Blessings on you TRex. Best advise for a bad back? Rolling on floor laughing.
Maybe tomorrow we’ll get the benefit of your no doubt delicious take on Cheney’s little SAO fantasy?
Raph Levien @ 122
Hi, Ralph! I saw that today when you posted it and loved it!
(I’m on a roll now)
Punaise, if you’re reading – I totally love your puns!
I’m not really a lurker…but I’ve never introduced myself…so I’ll take the opportunity. I’m an Anthropologist teaching on the Left Coast…a former alternative radio DJ (Hi Howie!)…and ex semi-pro Soccer player. Spent my teenage years living in West Africa and got hooked on the travel bug since. I do research on fossil orangutans (and other critters) in Indonesia and the Malaysian side of Borneo.
Why am I interested in the Plame case…because I see just how badly my countries honor has been besmirched by the Bush Administration and how this case in particular demonstrates just how craven and greedy for power this group of corrupt scoundrels really are. That they would dare to out a CIA agent, one who was ACTUALLY devoting her life to protecting us from rogue dictators and terrorists seeking WMD’s…and doing so using methods that fall short of invading a nation that poses no credible risk to America…demonstrates the madness of these minions.
Out spot! Out!
……and…
FWIW, I strongly agree with ice before heat. My mystical :) medical beliefs teach that “ice” (requiring transfer of thermal energy away from injured tissues) slows the formation of new molecules required for the production of the tissue response of pain and swelling the white coats call inflammation.
Lynn @ 104
Hi Lynn -
I’m glad you posted here about the truly Honorable Mayor Anderson.
As on the thread where I first erred, I apologize for my comment – no disrespect intended in my attempt at snark.
Hi Jeralyn,
I too appreciate your commentary on the Libby matters. I read a lot, but comment rarely. Don’t know why, just the way it is!
Jeralyn Merritt @ 126.
Cool! Glad you’re here. I loved the politics.tv work you did during the trial. I hope you guys continue to use that media. It works great to have a video to accompany a post.
Would it be proper to ask you, such a well informed person with professional insight, if you have a prediction of the verdict for the five counts against Scooter Flippy? The likelihood that Fitz has an act 2?
Thanks Jeralyn!
Loudoun dear, don’t encourage the punaise. We’ll all get salmonella!
Hi, I’m Kristine I usually lurk, share the snark with my work mates, and once in a while post an odd (in more ways than one) comment. Just wanted to say thanks to all at FDL for
feeding my obsessionkeeping me updated on the trial as well as enlightening me on many other things. I cannot believe the depth and breath of knowledge this wonderful group of people bring to this blog, not to mention the lively discussions of subjects serious and trivial (and oftimes hilarious.) This is truly an amazing group of individuals, and I am grateful to each and every one of you.TRex: Hope the back feels better. I’ve been there, and I know what it’s like. If I may recommend lying on your back with your knees in the air, sort of like an inverted frog, especially with heat on the offened muscles, you might find some relief, particularly after a stiff shot of “medicine” to relax you.
And Belle1, what exactly is “museum studies?” Is it a broad catagory, or do you specialize in a certain area, like art, Egyptian artifacts, etc. Sounds fascinating!
BobbyG I also want to say Im so sorry about
the job. (Darn the bad luck) Were pulling for you. Be sure and share with us as you go about getting another job? Any prospects. Any wife and kids that are going to be in need? Hang in there.
gregflynn @ 128
We love Larry Kissell, welcome to the Lake! I just started posting at the new BlueIndiana that just launched two weeks ago as part of the 50 state blog project. Are you guys our sister blog in NC? We’d love to connect with other state blogs and do cross posts.
RBG @ 129
If you’d quit working so hard and read a blog once and a while, you might learn something.
;)
Lurkers: RBG is the one who keeps the threads rolling behind the curtains here at FDL, weaving one thread into the next and doing all manner of magic. Most of us on the front page would not look nearly so good if it were not for him. Many of us suspect that he gets no sleep. Ever.
RBG!!
Hey, Jeralyn!!
*smooch*
Okay, heading home. Slowly.
See you guys in a bit.
conniptionfit @ 145
Ah, it’s ok, I may have an immunity because I was born into a family of punsters. But for the rest of you – be careful! ;-)
AhWOOOOOoooooo!
Scary lurking, huh kids?
;>)
Lynn @ 134
The day Keith Olbermann obliterated Don Rumsfeld in his first Special Comment, Mayor Anderson gave this speech in Salt Lake City. KO got pretty much all the attention on the blog-o-sphere (and deservedly so), but I always thought Rocky deserved a little more attention than he got.
RBG indeed!
For the newly delurked, you’ll come across one of the wittiest pun artists in the world right here in this comment section named Punaise. When he appears the thread usually takes a sharp turn toward the absurd which is always a lot of fun.
Jeralyn @ 126
I appreciate your perspective on the trial and the politictv vids. I can only imagine all the hours that you have put toward this effort. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Love all the different perspectives that Jane has brought together. (She is really special)
kirk murphy @ 141
Thanks Kirk.
Firedoglake is THE BLOG and I come here daily for news!
I am so glad to know Rocky is respected here!
I so would love to see him run for PRESIDENT!
Wouldn’t the contest with him as a candidate be something to see!
John McCain married George Bush’s war policy. Stick a fork in him. He’s done.
Jeralyn Merritt @ 126
Jeralyn,
I find your posts great because you maintain your intgrity to the art of defense despite your understated disgust with the actual perpetrators. When you presented on politics TV I was capttivated. You always gave credit where you saw it was due.
Speaking from strictly a patient perspective (IANA herbalist), has anyone else here had experience with pedicularis sp. extracts for chronic musculoskeletal pain?
Two herbalists (one “scientific” – one “intuitive”) suggested it in a space* of eight weeks, so they saw something.
Worked really, really well for me, but that is a patient report of one here.
Anyone else here used pedicularis tinctures?
(*more benefits of spending a week in the woods helping train and support the current and next generations of non-violent direct action activists -
people force us medics to get ourselves cared for….)
Another aspect of FDL addiction: the other day when Jane had lost her wallet and cellphone at Prettyman, I was more worried about that than just about anything else I had going on that day. Much relief ensued later that day when the items were returned to her!
I wish I had a mayor as enlightened as Rocky Anderson. Instead I have the DLC dreamboat Bart Peterson. Blech.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @
155
also, oblique turns toward the absurd.
My name is KestrelBrighteyes, and my friends think I might be a Plameaholic. I only refresh socially, I swear..just during the day when I’m around other people who are refreshing..I don’t feel like I’m addicted..really..I’m not…
That said..I’m a regular poster at Bradblog.com, a moderator (sorta kinda, when I have time) for a politics/religion chatroom at Dockwave.com, and mostly a lurker when I’m here @ fdl, with only an occasional comment.
I’m also recent convert to gabbly chat (gabbly.com/firedoglake). It’s a wonderful way to talk with kindred spirits while taking pressure off the fdl server, however I would not recommend it for the faint of heart. Due to the recent “and so we wait” theme with the jury deliberating, we’ve started to get a little punchy, and the topics of discussion have been all OVER the place…remodeling…all things Fitz…fishnet stockings…Cialis commercials..white cream sauce (not as a metaphor, for actual FOOD, GEEZE, get your minds out of the gutter!)
Well y’all get the idea.
Anyway..HELLO FROM TENNESSEE!!!!
About firedoglake – I know that Jane says it’s cause she likes to sit by the fire with her dog(s) and watch the Lakers, but way back when this blog was Jane, Loren and Reddhedd just beginning, it was explained that the name is from the Scotch or Irish expression “fired o’glake.”
“fired o’glake” was explained as a way of curing a wooden battle club in an iron blast furnace, so it had a hard wooden interior with an iron exterior.
Ever since then I’ve thought that our adversaries who think that Jane is just some chick who wants to sit by the fire with her dogs and watch the Lakers have no idea with whom they’re dealing.!
I have been lurking the live blogging of the Libby trial. I’d read FDL occasionally before the trial but it fell out of circulation until recently.
I’m glad I came back.
The blogging of Plamegate has been better here than anywhere else.
And the live blogging has been particularly entertaining and quite endearing.
Thanks to the bloggers here.
I rarely post anywhere and likely won’t post again. Just wanted to say that we lurkers appreciate the hard work that creates FDL.
What the heck does Fire Dog Lake mean anyway?
pat @
147
Thanks for the kind words.
We’re good. My wife makes more than twice what I’ve been getting, so we’re comfy, and I already have another solid prospect in play, as of about 90 minutes after I got the news today. I can’t complain. Just have to be little careful with the spending for a while.
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R2 @
56
Hello everyone, and hi.
R2, if you want a bumpersticker (or Tshirt or mug or or or ) just go over to Cafe Press. There’s already a bunch of blogging-related stuff but if they don’t have what you want, design your own here. Custom bumperstickers are 2.99.
Neil @ 158
That was really, really goooood!
Good Evening and Thank You Jeralyn – your contributions have so enriched our Libby experience
Anybody know if Cheney’s back in the US yet? (
Just hope he’s on hand for a guilty verdict in the a.m.)
Nate @
33
Marg @ 170
Sid Blumenthal has a nice piece on Cheny’s failed world tour over at Salon.com, BTW. If you’re not a subscriber, it’s well worth the ad view click-thru.
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KestrelBrighteyes @ 164
The first drug where people want it because of the side-effects. And any idea why it could cause back aches?
Thx AZ Matt. Mixed metaphors…hehe.
conniptionfit @ 145
Salmon Ella would make a great screen name for an Alaskan fishing boat owner… and, if she were nice, no would mind getting her. :)
Marg @ 170
Yes, he got back about 4am yesterday morning and was in the WH for a Iraq strategery meeting.
Okay – I’m delurking to say ‘hallo’ and thank you to Marcy, Jane, Christy, Pach, et al. You’re all doing an AMAZING thing here – historic and setting precedent.
If I had one comment to send to your suggestion box…..STOP FORGETTING/LOSING stuff (or admitting that you do)….we all do it ~ occasionally, but it makes ‘us’ very nervous “mommys & daddys” – you’re not kids, don’t act/sound like you are.
Neil @ 158
Is that legal in the US? /snark
Dover Bitch @ 153
Thanks Dover Bitch,
I went looking for that speech to post here!
That’s the first time I heard of him!
I’m from CT. and I so appreciated FDL’s effort for Ned Lamont!
I lurk all he time and post rarely even though I admire all the patriots at FDL. This Libby trial should of been the lynchpin for impeachment. But damn….
Since I can ask stupid questions tonight, I have a regular argument about Noam Chomsky with my best friend. Am I insane? I get so mad about Noam because he is so freaking arrogant and can never admit when he isn’t an expert on something and covers up with dismissive dissertation. I belive this is his biggest failing because he doesn’t listen to anyone’s opinion but his own. He thinks its his way or the damn highway. I can’t stand arrogant brilliance because in the end its just slighted ignorance.
Thanks for letting me rant.
Trex, Jane, Christy and everyone……keep up the good work, and just thanks…….
Marg @ 171
AFAIK he’s back as of this morning.
Alberto is in trouble. About dang time!
From Raw Story:
Kristine @ 178
Only in the Republican and L4L Parties….
karen allen @
73
(faints)
cbl @ 90
cbl – Go Vols!! What a game, what a night. Are you in Knoxville?
Chuck the Professor, I assume you are in Knoxville with me. Glad to know there are a few Tennesseans here.
Jeralyn Merritt @
126
I know I said I likely wouldn’t post again, but I had to say, I love reading Talk Left and it is on my short list of daily blog reads. Invite lurkers to delurk there and see if anyone pops up!
You can be sure if the jury gets off the bus in the morning wearing casual clothes, they’ll deliberate for another day. If they’re dressed up, they’ll probably be done. Remember, they work a four day week, Monday through Thursday.
Well, I’m not a lurker. I’m an outrider to this Surrey with a Fringe on Top. I don’t always agree with the monkey chatter but the direction is a moral imperative. The major posters more or less speak for me, and I’ll come back in whenever I have something to contribute.
Jeralyn Merritt @
126
Jeralyn! I think that you guys will be a “slam dunk” to get credentials to live-blog the next important trial (and judging from Fitz’s closing THERE WILL BE!).
In fact, my opinion on this is that credentials should directly relate to whether the assigned media actually gave coverage to the Trial in question. If they didn’t offer moderate to extensive coverage then they should be excluded from the next trial where there are limited amount of Press Credentials available.
Maybe they should take out the bottom three slots in terms of air-time.
Jeralyn, Did the jury leave under interesting circumstances today? Did Walton talk with them before they left?
Happy to see your here. I hope you havnt left yet. It late on the East coast.
I’m no Vol, but Pat singing Rocky Top was fantastic…caught it on ESPN. I love the enthusiasm.
Teresa @ 186
guess i got in too late
Good evening/morning everyone! I’ve been lurking since the days surrounding the Libby indictment. I found myself coming back to FDL more and more as the days wore on. From the Lamont campaign (to which I contributed $) to the Libby trial, I found FDL the place to be for intelligent conversation and great snark. Now it’s the first place I come to when I’m on the tubes. I’m addicted. ;) Nice to meet you all!
kirk murphy @ 160
Kirk, what kind of musculoskeletal pain is it? I’ve never heard of pedicularis, but it’s been about 10 years since I took my herbalist training and new herbs get trendy on a regular basis, and I don’t keep up with them all.
Depending on what the issue is, I might suggest:
–turmeric as an anti-inflammatory
–glucosamine to help repair connective tissue
–cayenne and ginger if it’s osteoarthritis, along with Omega-3’s
–calcium/magnesium as a mild muscle relaxant
–staying hydrated!
Neil @ 187
Once they get a case and start deliberating, a jury works a five day week. For that matter, the court always works a five day week. Fridays are typically reserved for motion hearings and other non-jury issues.
And give it up about connecting clothing with the closeness of a verdict. It’s more about comfort in confined spaces, and the ventilation/AC/heating thereof.
The last time I was on a jury, we had a courtroom that was quite warm (in July) and a jury room that was ice cold. When we knew we’d be in court, we dressed as loosely as possible; once we got the case is was sweater weather. Even on the day we finished.
Jeralyn – your site is a must read for me. You have so many intelligent commenters that I don’t feel I can add much to the conversation except for an occasional question. I love it.
I also enjoy BTD’s posts on your site.
BurkeDem @ 194
Hi BurkeDem – Burke, VA?
Hi lurkers and screw gonzales
A convert to fdl since the middle of the Libby trial. Question: I must be mistaken, but I thought I saw a couple of places where jurors asked questions in the courtroom. That so?
Betcha verdict before this weekend.
TREX – Your reputation in here precedes you – I heard COMMENTS about your snarkiness before I ever read any of it.
Sorry to hear about your back. After a particularly hard day of yard work, I usually lay on the floor with the calves of my legs on the couch and a towel rolled under my neck. Gives me so much relief I usually fall asleep within a few minutes!
Oh, and lay off the wild sex for awhile – no harness chairs, no trampolines, no ceiling fans with remote controls…
Feel better hon ;-)
Neil @ 188
I thought they were working Monday to Friday (at least they did last week.) I think the only reason they were off on Fridays during the trial is because Walton had other issues to deal with. Still, my gut feeling at this point is that the verdict will come down on Friday. That, and $1.60 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
LoudounLib @ 198
You betcha! Howdy, neighbor!
Any BC, Yukon or other NW Canada lurkers out there? I’m over in Alaska.
BurkeDem @ 203
Well howdy from Ashburn!
welcome
Ted!
Heidi!
Teresa!
Looty!
BurkeDem!
(and foolsgold – as one of the frequent primates here, thanks for glittering along beside the Lake!)
yes!
ccmask @ 199
Pectopah @ 174
No idea. Well..maybe? Um..see my comment to TREX at 201..re: harness chairs..trampolines…ceiling fans with remote controls.
BobbyG & Kestrel…two more Tennesseans. I’m so pleasantly surprised. Hello!
Sid58 @ 199
That’s right. According to the Legal Eagles (Christy, Looseheadprop, etc.), this is allowed in federal courts at the discretion of the judge, but Walton is one of the few that actually exercises the option. I really enjoyed watching what the jury was asking.
To keep it kosher, the jury writes the questions down and Walton reviews them. Those that are legit he asks on the jury’s behalf.
I will de-lurk by saying I love that this place
kicks ass, takes names and says what so many of us
feel.
Oh and just finished ‘Anatomy of Deceit’;
a tight, informative,
and unbelievably well thought out piece of writing.
(a deep bow and an exit stage, uh, well anyway… leaving)
Thanks for the welcome, LoudounLib!
I think we have more than a few NOVA folks at the lake. :)
Yes, BurkeDem, and NOVA is increasingly turning from the red to the blue :-)
Damiana @ 195
It’s related to unhappy c-spine nerves. Fortunately, the symptoms have improved greatly after the pedicularis.
I’m grateful for your willingness to share your healing skills here – thank you.
kirk murphy @ 206
Thanks, Kirk. Much appreciated.
ccmask @ 199
Hi, yourself, and er, yuck, ewww, NO WAY!
Since we are talking about where some people are from, I live in Tom Tancredo’s district in Colorado. What did I do to deserve this?
karen allen @
30
This (mostly) lurker is in L.A. and just got the kids to bed. Woo hoo! Just delurking to say hi and thanks and how glad I am to lurk among such wits. Good bad puns, Plameology, Princess Bride references…what more could a girl want? (Besides CONVICTIONS ON ALL COUNTS, that is…ahem.)
T-Rex — haven’t read all the thread, but has anyone suggested Tiger Balm? It’s like a magic Asian version of Icy Hot. Smells loud, works good.
(waving madly to Jerralyn)
You’re right about the reistering stuff, I don’t think I’d ever have posted here if I had to register. I have nearly left comments at TL several times but I wasn’t registered and didn’t want to take the time.
This way’s more inviting, but it’s a lot of work for our Loverly Lurking Mods — thanks mods, for all the stuff you do and all the junk we never see.
PS the sex-offender license plates — it’s a thoroughly stupid idea, but it’d be a good way to keep people from borrowing your car.
So, anyone else also thinking the jury returns between 2pm and 4 pm tomorrow?
What about some projections?
TRex @ 26
Actually, you should probably be alternating hot and cold. Hot feels so good but it acts like a magnet for inflammation. (Sadly, I’ve learned that the hard way.)
Maybe there are just certain yoga postures that every a young, strapping therapod shouldn’t attempt :-)
If McCain’s reception on Letterman tonight is any indication, he oughta thinking about saving his money — he got nothing from them when he talked about the war and his effort to honor the troops fell sorta flat too.
Garbo, someone posted earlier about Tiger Balm. Is it available in stores or just on the internet? I have a really bad back. The doctors told me my back is that of an old woman and I’m not that old! I willing to try anything.
Ted @
217
I live in Don Young’s district. If I could move out of it and stay in Alaska, I’d consider it.
LoudounLib @ 212
LOL! We’re dancing as fast as we can! Warner, Kaine, and Webb were a great start. Let’s see if we can keep going. I’d dearly love to see VA go blue in ‘08′.
Kristine @ 216
Not literally. Welcome
Ted @ 217
I sympathize with ya – we just got rid of BILL FRIST!!
(BTW, the response letters Frist sends to his constituents are pretty snotty – think I could sell one on EBAY if he gets convicted?)
Sad to say, not guilty. I have lost the faith.
jack @ 219
HotFlash, it’s really easy to register on Jeralyn’s Talkleft. Please take the time, I enjoy your comments.
I’ve gone from being an occasional lurker to a regular lurker and occasional poster. Usually I don’t have that much to add, so its more of a punctuation… putting all of my music librarian training into the political discussion (in other words, not much, usually). Jeralyn, I lurk over your way, too. The Plame Game has much more drama than I ever anticipated. I’ve been lurking entirely too much lately *g* — not getting nearly enough work done & my 4-year old has even found non-destructive things to do with his time while I click & read…
Teresa @ 222
I would check a health foods store or even some place like Whole Foods (I think I saw it there last time I was there.)
BTW, y’all, my comment at 208 says it’s in moderation…think of it as time-released comedy, you’ll feel it later..
I think I’ll be shutting up and going to bed now…
BurkeDem @ 225
Definitely! And if only the term limits could be extended for the governor’s office…four years is just not enough. Kaine has some great ideas, and it’s a shame that he is so limited!
Another ibuprofen recommendation from PT and orthopedic doctor experience. The anti-inflamatory action actually improves the problem instead of just hiding the pain.
The ortho guy also said that now that I’m not a kid anymore, I should try the ibuprofen before the exercise to prevent the damage. When I do it, my body thanks me.
I delurked early in the trial, to admire the writing and analytical brains of the FDL crew. Every day, they continue to impress me.
Geezus I couldn’t understand more. I just keep working for the Dems and Left Independants I like to get me through. I live in a screwy HOA out here that doesn’t like the 1st Ammendment. But, I relish the chances to keep educating them on it.
Ed*ard Teller @ 223
What is NOVA? Northern Virginia?
Kestrel, but we traded in Frist for Corker. Are you old enough to remember the good old Sasser and Gore days? I’d even take Harold Baker back in a heartbeat.
Not really de-lurking; I’ve posted before. But I do have a question: Has the now-dismissed art curator spoken to any media outlets?
Also, was that really a picture of her posted on at the top of a post on FDL a few days ago? I’ve read her age and it didn’t seem to match up with that photo.
Ed*ard Teller @ 236
Yes, Northern Virginia.
Bobby, you got a link? Nevah mind.Ed*ard Teller @ 236
Sorry, yes – Northern VA, DC Metro area
But-! But-!
Dammit!
Teresa @ 235
Been quite a while, hasn’t it? Thought would be Howard Baker, right? :)
Ted #216. You should come down the road and stay with us (Pueblo), where Democrats rule, just for a break once in awhile. But vote at home; they need you.
Thanks everyone for the info on Cheney’s whereabouts. Wonder where he’ll be hiding out tomorrow. Would love to see his face when he gets the “bad” news.
Teresa @ 222
The Rite Aid that i work for sells it. Look around in your local pharmacies or even department stores in that section.
NSAIDs are good if you do have inflammation, pups. TRex you especially. The heating pad helps with pain, but the cool is best for inflamation. I have to deal with both, so i’m altogether too familiar with that. Be sure to take ‘em with plenty of water, and with food if you can. Stomach bleeding sucks.
I have some Tiger Balm. Unfortunately, the pain is right in the part of my back that I can’t reach.
This is when a dino really needs a boyfriend.
AZ Matt @ 183
WoooHooo!!
Thanks Marg!
Is the best Mexican Food I’ve ever known still available at The Whistle Stop? Any better suggestions? God I love the Green Chile in Pueblo!
Marg @ 243
TRex, thank you so much for this “coming out party” tonight. I feel more comfortable posting and conversing here with Late Nite FDL, and may I just say that your snark RAWKS!
Thank you FDL — your reporting has kept me on edge all month (and actually, all year since my curator husband bought me a laptop). I’m also in museum work, but at the library level — Hi belle 1!
Reverse Barometer @ 238
No jurors pictures have been posted and I don’t think she is allowed to talk to the press. It’s a very big nono
Kristine @ 231
Costco carries it (larges tins), also my Korean corner grocery story (small tins), also martial arts supply sotres. Comes in red (strong) and white (mild). There are some fake tiger balms, but they just *don’t* do the trick., acccept no substitutes.
Teresa @ 222
It comes in little tiny jars and lasts forever, so I haven’t shopped for it in a long while. I’m betting Whole Foods or other crunchy granola healthy places might be the best place to look. I’ll see if I can do some recon for a better answer.
And for the record, my bro is a chiropractor, he says ice for the first 24 hours, then alternating heat and ice.
Yes Montag. Sorry, I must have been think “call me Harold” instead of Howard. My brother was Chairman of our Democratic county party and he always drove Gore and Sasser around when they came to town. He really like them, especially Sasser.
kirk murphy @ 214
Ouch! That doesn’t sound like fun at all. I’m glad the pedicularis is helping.
One of the interesting things about cayenne is that, in LARGE doses (like 15 or more capsules/day) it starts blocking the chemical your nervous system uses to transmit pain messages, aka Substance P. However, working up to that much cayenne can take some doing, and should definitely be taken over the course of the day and with food!
Hi all–I’m an expatriate American living in Canada now for over 30 years. I left around the time when Nixon went down. I missed Vietnam by a hair when I drew a high lottery number. Moving to Canada was the best move I ever made, and I’ll never go back.
What really hurts is to watch my old country be hijacked by arrogant, stupid, greedy thugs who have no respect for human decency. All I want to see is Cheney in an orange jumpsuit. This Libby coverage has been fun, watching in anticipation of more subpoenas and a long overdue massacre of neocons that will amaze even thinking liberals.
Good night folks, and keep up the pressure.
Also, was that really a pictre of her posted on at the top of a post on FDL a few days ago? That was frau libby.
Thanks, ccmask.
I thought jurors were allowed to talk if they’re no longer jurors.
Good nite all.
Good evening everyone,
I’ve been reading FDL for over a year, but rarely comment. Let’s just say that I could never come up with anything as dazzling as the regular commenters, so it’s better to remain somewhat quiet on the main site.
I will admit to spending every moment lately at Gabbly, though. It’s the crack of chat rooms.
I could never say how grateful I am to the Plame House bunch for their offering all of us a seat right next to them in the courtroom.
TRex, I love your snark. I also hope that you will be feeling much better soon. I have to recommend icing as well.
-S
ccmask @ 251
Please tell me none of the jurors are going to write a tell-all book! Please. (she wimpers)
HotFlash @ 252
Our drugstore also has Tiger Balm patches you can stick to your back (or wherever; just avoid, um, delicate tissue)–they’re wonderful!
Ted @ 193
Hardly! With the time zones and folks in Australia and Europe and Asia this place rocks all night. Welcome and good to see you here.
Oh, I see, your question for Jerralyn. I asked her one, too. Dang, maybe we should go over to Talk Left and actually register. Registering’s a pain the first time, but once it’s done, it’s done. Somebody downthread mentioned loveblogging the Padilla trial, too, and I wanted to ask her about that.
What ccmask says….good night all! It’s late here in EST-ville!
I drop in a couple times a day, to shift gears from the Bush admin BLM’s War On Our Public Lands.
Big news in the Interior West this week and next are the gray wolf de-listing hearings, where wolves are about to be slaughtered in large numbers again if federal protection is stripped.
I recommend trying some long gentle walks. Seriously.
Well, I stuck my toe in the lake tonight and the water’s fine. Now to bed. To dream of guilty verdicts and frogmarches.
See y’all in the AM.
Night CC! LL!
Sleep tight!
Ed*ard Teller @
163
oh, bleak…so that’s why my ears were burning. :~)
welcome to all the new folks!
TRex @ 245
Ooooh…you need one of those long-handled plastic backscratchers with the little hand on the end that I used to win at the county fair…
LoudounLib @ 249
like Reggie Jackson, he’s the straw that stirs the drink.
Oh, oh, one last comment – hi Punaise! From a lurker who loves yer puns ;-)
Hi Dr. Zen, Patricia, Julie, and everyone, welcome!
This case gets to me, too. It’s so plainly unfair, illegal, wrong, and downright unamerican, that one of our very good operatives had her cover blown by our own side.
TRex, ice contracts the muscles and then you apply a heating pad, which allows the muscle to relax even more than if you had not iced it. Or so explained a massage therapist who cured my “frozen” neck muscle in about 30 minutes. It isn’t comfortable to have ice on it for 10 minutes, I know, but the muscle will thank you when you put the heating pad on.
Mine told me the same thing Garbo – ice first and then alternate with heat. I don’t have an injury anymore, just degenerative discs so I live on Alieve and heating pads.
I have some questions:
say there is an appeal…does that mean that Fitz will be able to introduce the evidence that was not allowable because Walton thought Libby was testifying? Is that grounds for appeal on Fitz’s part?
I have a question for the natural healers here. I have a very rare infectious disease called erythema nodosum. It causes nodules and rows of nodules to form in the third layer of skin with surrounding tissue swelling from edema related to the infections. Its triggered from physical and emotional stress and I have taken great pains to minimize those triggers but life gets in the way sometimes.
Through research and self discovery I have found that sulfur has a dramatic effect on easing these symptoms. I however cannot find a cheap, easy source for something with a high sulfuric content supplement other than SAMe which is altering my sleeping pattern in a not good way. What else could I get that has a high sulfuric content to gain the benefit from the sulfur?
Thanks HotFlash!
HotFlash @ 262
hey thanks, LoudounLib. so many others suffer in silence.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 274
Dick Cheney?
TRex – Thanks for the invitation to get me off my ass and actually comment rather than read. I have been enjoying your writing for a while now. My nightly ritual is to read your Late Nite FDL post before I head off to bed.
I hope your back recovers quickly. I have the same problem on occassion, and it blows.
queeniesdaughter @ 273
Both excellent questions that I don’t have the answers to. If someone can’t answer this with authority before morning, we’ll have to pass it on to the courthouse crowd.
There’s more than one way to get through the winter. You can always try outdoor snow yoga, practiced here in the Midwest by torpid snow primates.
Punaise — have you by chance read “Callahan’s Crosstime Saloon” and it’s sequels? Because every time you post (and I grin) it reminds me of those great books and Punday Night.
queeniesdaughter @ 273
Fitz cannot appeal if he loses, only defendants can appeal convictions. As for the evidentiary stuff I don’t know but I do know that if Fitz’ charges dont stick, we’re done with the criminal investigation and Libby gets away with it.
Is that grounds for appeal on Fitz’s part?
not a lawyer, but I don’t think the gov’t can appeal – that would be double jeopardy
thanks trex … and all… no matter what happens I think that the fact that little ole me has questions like this means that we have already won since we have learned so much b/c of this case
Ted #248,
Whistle Stop’s gone, as far as I know, but Nacho’s, The Mill Stop, Mi Ranchito, El Valle, and my favorite for pork and avacado burritos smothered in green chile or their giant guacamole appetizeer: Jorge’s at 1319 E. Evans. So much green chile, so little time. Mill Stop’s good for sopapillas.
Now I’m hungry and they’re all closeed for the night Look what you did to me!
Neil@188 – Trial only goes Mon-Thurs. Jury deliberations are five days a week. Most trial judges do not run trial on Fridays, they use that day to catch up on paperwork and hear motions etc. that don’t involve juries. I’ve taken some grief (which may turn out to be well founded) but I have never experienced the “jury dress syndrome” that is so actively bandied about. Now, if they knew they had a verdict but the judge wouldn’t receive it until the next day, that might be different.
Pat@191 – There is gossip about the way the jury left today, but the best evidence I have seen simply indicates that Judge Walton had a meeting he needed to get to, therefore was not going to be available for a jury question or verdict return even if it happened and, being late in the day, sent them home. If this is not the case, we will know immediately first thing tomorrow morning.
Garbo @ 282
that’s new to me – I’ll check it out – thanks!
punaise @ 283
Exactly, that would be double jeopardy. The only time a government can try a case more than once is if there is a mistrial called in the original hearing of the case.
What makes me so very, very pleased with the Plame House crew is how you’ve shown through example that there’s a place in the media room and courtroom for bloggers. The wrong people getting this opportunity could have messed it up for those who hope to follow. Luckily you were the right people. I love the notion that the MSM feels you nipping at their heels (or is it vice versa by now?). It might shape them up.
Madison Guy @ 281
spew alert!
You got me, I meant the Mill Stop. So sorry…..
I love it there, I used to work for 5/30.
Marg @ 285
Woo hoo! Name check!
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 283
Thanks! that makes sense…so the next ?? can Fitz hit libby with outing a covert agent (not the same charges twice) and since it seems like fitz is after the Veep could this case also be abt establishing grounds for the next phase (lose the battle to win the war) I am sorry if these ?? are really dumb … I am more curious than informed and appreciate your patience.
double jeopardy
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 289
how about a hung jury? is that considered mistrial?
late night for me — gotta go
Dreaming Crow @ 293
Welcome Dreaming Crow -
Hope today went as well as could be!
I read a at least 8-10 blogs daily [drives my lovely wife nuts], but have just begun leaving comments on a few within the last week. I must say this is no doubt the blog with the most cohesive sense of a real community, not to mention the quality of the discourse herein. You’ll be hearing from me again soon.
PS I find Jane HOT, HOT, HOT. Thanks to all of you for what you do.
queeniesdaughter @ 284
Ripples are going to move outward from this point in so many unexpected ways and directions. I do feel like what has been accomplished here in this trial is honestly historic. This is citizen journalism, literally, not in some histrionic Malkin sense, but in an actual, real-world, erudite, excruciatingly well-informed sense.
I shudder to think what the Wingnut copycat version of this is going to look like, cos you know they’re just going to HAVE to try to top us. The trouble is that to do what Jane and Christy (and they are ultimately the nucleus of this atom) did with this case, you have to be:
a. intelligent
b. organized
c. diligent
d. rigorous
and
e. ethical.
None of these qualities have been found by scientists to be naturally occurring in the Domestic Wingnut Blogger (dickheadis delusionaira), so their spectacular failure is assured.
Still, it’s like making sausage, right? You don’t really want to have to watch it happen.
kirk murphy @ 298
Thanks, kirk. It did, actually. It was very emotionally draining, but helpful. I really could have done without the rehashing of all of the bad moments of my son’s life, but he’s in a place where it seems he will get all of the help that he needs.
All you folks with aching backs: ThermaCare heat patches are amazing. I’ve had two back surgeries and wear some titanium in my cervical spine. Mostly I’m fine, but when pain hits, it really hits. And the only thing that helps me is ThermaCare. No switching from ice to heat; just ThermaCare, which I wear for 8 hours or more. Can’t recommend it enough. I’ve given it to people who later told me how much it helped them, too.
Damiana @ 262
Ah yes. My sensei used to warn incoming whitebelts to always use the washroom *before* applying Tigerbalm.
a shout-out to Dreaming Crow!
queeniesdaughter @ 293
The debate during the initial investigative Grand Jury phase centered around your first question here. If Fitz had found evidence to support the more serious outing a covert agent charge, he would have tried that charge instead of this lesser lying to a grand jury charge. A lot of us were upset that Libby WASN’T charged with the outing of a covert agent charge.
As for the other question about establishing grounds for further charges against Cheney…who knows. Only Fitz knows what he is doing. I am in the minority opinion here, thinking this trial is it. I personally do not think he is going after the VP like a lot of people hope he will do. I’ve done a lot of reading elsewhere about Fitzgerald’s background that leads me to believe he won’t take it there.
I am a brand spanking new lurker. Have been for only a few days thanks to a NYtimes.com article.
I am hooked and absolutely fascinated by what has taken place and what is being said by everyone here not to mention the numerous links posted.
Now that I have started, it has become a definite necessity for me.
So here I go welcoming myself to the lurking community.
Mad Max @ 256
Hi Max, where in Cda?
what y’all need is some Grade A watertiger balm
punaise @ 304
::bows:: My fame grows. ^_-
sharky290 @ 305
It’s Sharky’s Night. It’s Sharky’s Night, tonight.
Hello All…Longtime reader, first time poster here. I really enjoy the commentary on this site, and quite frankly feel that I’m not knowledgeable enough to add my two cents on most topics.
-The Rabid Squirrel
“Fitz cannot appeal if he loses, only defendants can appeal convictions. As for the evidentiary stuff I don’t know but I do know that if Fitz’ charges dont stick, we’re done with the criminal investigation and Libby gets away with it.”
again be patient please and thank you so much… walton said he possibly wouldnt have ruled the way that he did if he knew libby wasnt testifying – what recourse does the govt have? Legally I guess I can accept none but common sense screams no fair! Is it like a logical argument that is valid but still false?
Would you guys like to know a secret?
Ich bin ein cheese danish.
TRex @ 313
Yeeeeeeeees!
TRex @ 312
Naturally.
YESSSSSSSSSSS, TRex!
i’ll bite
TRex @ 300
nice bit of antheropodology there, big fella
Tell us
Ted @ 228
why have you lost faith?
Tick-tock, tick-tock, TRex.
T-Rex and all:
This has been a blast. I know that during the day, so much is going on, and my access to the internet is sporadic at best, so I always feel like I’m one step behind, especially during these heady days of Jury Watch. Time for this tired Firepup to crawl into bed. Tomorrow is another day of keeping vigil by the computer. Thanks again to all of you who put your hearts & souls into this effort, as well as those who post and/or lurk. I’m proud to be part of this community. We are indeed a great band of Patriots.
FITZ! (I just had to say it.)
G’day from the Antipodes. It’s the middle of the afternoon here (37 C in a Broken Hill summer), so I’m not getting much work done. Thanks for the invitation to delurk: FDL has now become my favorite way of trying to keeping up with what really happens over the pond.
Would someone tell Cheyney that he left his dog here last week? Small, noisy, yaps when addressed as “Little Johnny” …it’s just that it’s starting to drool and slaver, and we don’t have rabies over here, so we’ll have to shoot it and examine it’s brain (…I never realised that rabies could be rectally transmitted).
As far as the back goes T-rex…have you thought of applying a dog to it? We can send our prime-miniature if it might help. And a fork.
Love,
Wombat
Squirrel2634 @ 311
that never held me back – welcome!
Whoever gets Tiger Balm as a result of this thread… just take it easy with that stuff. I once (in my younger, more athletic days) overdid it on my arm… fell asleep… not a pleasant experience when I woke up.
Dude, the secret. I’ve got to go make love to my wife in a couple minutes here.
TRex @ 300
The market share most likely to savor the “wingnuts make sausage” film niche would be expected to dwindle…
until all the wingnuts were in casings.
And then the domestic audience for snuff films would be gone -
every last wingnut link,
salted away and on ice.
True confession:
There have been times through this whole thing when I have been absolutely terrified that I was going to end up being the fly in everybody’s ointment. Especially during the Bill Donohue fracas. I just knew that at any minute, right in the middle of all the great coverage we were getting, someone was going to pull out something I wrote (especially back when I was getting started) as a means of trying to bring down everything that the site has built over the last couple of years.
There. I said it. I’ve been scared that I was going to somehow ruin everything for the whole team.
So far, so good.
TRex @ 113
Be very careful with Tylenol! Its toxicity to the liver is very underrated, and (though I know you don’t drink) it should never be taken with alcohol. Read this.
Okay! I’ve been lurking constantly since I found out about this site in January. I’ve been following Plame since I first read Novakula’s treasonous article. It’s been a lonnnng 3 1/2 years! Hello everyone! You guys are marvelous! What intelligence, analyses and insights! You rock! I’m now offically addicted to yet another lefty site. Liberals rule!
And I also have a major crush on Fitz. Is he attached? Whada man! I hope those scruples are real. :)
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 305
I personally do not think he is going after the VP like a lot of people hope he will do. I’ve done a lot of reading elsewhere about Fitzgerald’s background that leads me to believe he won’t take it there.
i thought his mo was to start small, flip and go for bigger fish? do you have some links I can read (insomnomaia, sigh)
Well, now that i have read more, i see that Peterr totally clocked me on the speed of my last not so brilliant answer attempt!
FFTOOBZ and Queeniesdaughter – If Libby appeals anything, Fitz can cross-appeal anything that was not part of a not guilty verdict on a particular count. Since most all of the evidence applied to all the counts, this pretty much opens the door for Fitz to appeal any evidentiary issue. As for retrial, which could/would occur in the event of any counts on which a mistrial is declared, which is what happens to counts on which there is a hung jury, and also for any counts that are returned to the court after an appeal, the prosecution (Fitz) is NOT limited by the evidence that was introduced at this trial. In short, the evidentiary portion of any retrial may look far different on the part of both the prosecution and defense.
Squirrel2634 @ 310
HA! If being knowledgeable on subjects here was a prerequisite you wouldnt see half of us that do comment here. I’ve learned more from this site by commenting and asking the questions I ask of others precisely because I did comment and asked stuff.
Never stop yourself from asking a question, usually the folks here are nice and will answer it. Usually. Most of the time. Well some of the time. OK, part of the time. OKwell,yeah,yougotmethereI’llshutupnow.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 275
Hi Fini!
Garlic and onion are both excellent sources of sulfur. *grins*
TRex, don’t worry. If anyone digs up your old stuff we’ll all just say we never heard of you.
I come to read TRex. The trial stuff is too arcane for me. I want the BFEE to be embarrassed and all but sheesh. I gotta make a livin’.
spurious @ 329
Be very careful with Tylenol! Its toxicity to the liver is very underrated, and (though I know you don’t drink) it should never be taken with alcohol. Read this.
Tylenol, I totally follow the directions and drink lots of water. Advil and Motrin I will double up on.
bmaz @ 333
so an appeal is a risk for the defense…
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 334
I hate to go all AOL on the thread, but ME, TOO. I love that everyone here has been welcoming, thoughtful, and ignored the fact that occasionally, I’m flakier than a good buttermilk biscuit.
TRex @ 328
Y’know what? Screw ‘em. We shouldn’t be cowering in fear for what kind of smears they can pull. Who was it again who said, “ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTAAAAAACK!”?
Besides, what could you have possibly have written that would be anywhere nearly as bad as a certain infamous bear scene?
My Big Secret sounds so silly when I say it out loud. Seriously, though. That Donohue thing was pretty terrifying. The Big Media folks just totally took his side of the story as fact and he was suddenly EVERYWHERE.
Did you see Amanda or Melissa on TV at all, ever?
TRex @
313
Yes. Unless you are about to out a covert spy. Then, no.
DreamingCrow @ 340
I hate to go all AOL on the thread, but ME, TOO. I love that everyone here has been welcoming, thoughtful, and ignored the fact that occasionally, I’m flakier than a good buttermilk biscuit.
You are NOT flaky! You’re busy and justifiably preoccupied. There’s a big difference.
*hugs* I’m really glad things went so well today.
Uh oh.
The 19 year old kitty just had a little potty accident in the kitchen.
Back in a bit.
we got your back, TRex…but you already know that
I have no idea what the Donohue thing is. Is there a link that can educate me?
lurking
lurking
just below the surface.
like the crocodiles at the river bank
laying in wait.
or like the iceberg’s greatest mass,
destroying a hull.
hidden below the surface.
like u-boats loaded with torpedoes
periscopes up
prowling for fascist shipping loaded with collaborator propaganda weapons.
just below the surface.
lurking
with torpedoes with heavy loads of
high-explosive
snark.
depth charges!
dive!
dive!
(56, retired, househusband, married once and only, these twenty years now to the mother of our 8 year old hero and 2nd grader. i AM soooo boring.)
one of the vast herds of overbloated corporate corporal buffaloes waddles just a little too close to the bank WHEN giant jaws suddenly explode from below the surface to seize its prey by their rib cage and catapult the doomed beast into the river’s depth and a violent and gruesome watery end.
then
it is all still again.
the surface is quiet.
“This machine kills fascists.“
back to lurking
(blub, blub, blub … )
Canada here – 1st post – y’all! – abt yoga: 5 yrs – stuck on level 2 – back sliding into complete paralysis – attendance not of itself enuf – daily practice! – this morning: restorative! – lie there for 15 with the lil sand bag over my eyes – this I can do – hang upside down like a bat on the rope wall – “keep coming back,” the teacher says – okay
Well, I can’t turn down this most GRACIOUS invitation to de-lurk! Even if there are close to 300 comments thus far. :-)
Goodness, I have been a lurker on dkos for a couple of years (!!!!). Have visited here a few times. But with this trial? I hit this site a few times a day (I try to not linger on the site to save the bandwith). I have read every live blogging transcript for the trial. Madness, Madness, Madness (shall we produce a movie on that theme, folks?)
Basically, I see myself as being totally committed to FDL. I am a woman, and ya know, we need to hold our place in the debates of these times. When it comes to stepping up to the plate, the FDL hotties have shown the ENTIRE blogosphere how it’s done. Touche!
But ALL DAY, I have wanted to know about this chat between Fitz and Marcy. Or was it with Jane? Eeeek. They were both posting under Jane’s login…. so the mystery is even thicker, darn it. I will check earlier threads tonight to see if light has been shed on this very important ‘must know’ topic.
I have loved the commaradarie and intellect that is exuded on this board! Gee… feels good to de-lurk. I will probably post tomorrow. When the VERDICT IS IN!!! (God let it be decided tomorrow).
When I see anyone on here give a h/t (hat tip), I SWEAR, I see Marcy and Jane and Christy and the rest all wearing funky 1940s hats with an index card stuck in the rim that spells out PRESS. Frankly, I think all bloggers should wear PRESS (for the peoples) hats! From now on. Do y’all know how many ‘paid’ journalists have had to refer to this site just to do their stories? Bastids.
Sorry this is so long. It feels so good to post. And trex was sooooooooo kind to nudge so many of us to de-lurk. (Thank you!)
So, comrads, how do we turn this whole awful mess around? (as in… everything radically right that is happening). Cause activism on steroids is a requisite, methinks.
Peace!
{{{{{{{{{{{ TRex }}}}}}}}}}}}
off topic… just got finished w/ my accountant…he was wondering why I was so really really conservative with my deductions etc…then I mentioned I blogged and was not a cheerleader for the administration and he got all serious and said…lay low…you could be in trouble for that…and I wasn’t sure that he wasn’t just flattering a blogger who has a readership (of two) until he said “we are living in a facist state…then I cracked a east india pale ale and came here for…
for…
for…
a swim, I guess. and thanks … again…
Reverse Barometer @ 346
This might help elucidate the question: Who is Amanda-basher Bill Donohue?
queeniesdaughter @ 331
That has been his MO in mafia cases in the past and in other high profile far reaching cases. But what has been lost in all the love for Fitz around here is that he has some long running ties to senior Cheney Administration folks. I will see what I can dig up real quick for you to read links wise but these are things I looked into a while ago so I will have to do some serious Googling.
bmaz @ 332
Thanks for clarifying that, I wasn’t sure how to answer that part of her question. And again, I’ve learned something new here. Gracias!
Hi to all you de-lurkers – I’m a former lurker who has crawled out from under my rock, and although nowhere near as smart and edumacated as most of the folks here, I’ve learned so much about not just the law but the way our whole system works because of this site and the amazing people on it. I’m a fan of all here, front-pagers, legal experts, livebloggers, gabblers and commenters. It’s a great community.
Now I’m hooked through the bag. It’s really embarrassing. But in a good way.
TRex @ 342
OK, so I was on my way to bed. IIRC, KO named Amanda his Worst Person in the World tonight.
DreamingCrow @
340
I hate to go all AOL on the thread, but ME, TOO. I love that everyone here has been welcoming, thoughtful, and ignored the fact that occasionally, I’m flakier than a good buttermilk biscuit.
Coffee…Third Place…March?
QD@339 – well i suppose you could look at it that way, but the only reason Libby would appeal is if he has been convicted. So, if I’m convicted, I’ll take my chance on a retrial rather than just take the conviction and trudge off to jail. There may be cases where a defendant wouldn’t appeal for fear of things getting worse, but this isn’t one of them.
Hi! I enjoy this site!
Hi Everyone.
FDL’s connections with the Land of Orangeness that initially got me here. But in the last month or two, the good posts and smart interaction has turned me into a big fan and every day reader.
It’s not that I’m generally quiet, but most days, I’m content to read.
I live on the east coast and have always been a news junkie. My first job after undergrad was as the news director of a radio station. So, I love being able to read the up-to-the minute developments on-line.
The commnity here is the thing. Thanks to everyone who makes this a great place.
De-lurking for the moment to wish Jane continued good health (should have done so ages ago) and to commiserate with T-Rex as I pinched a nerve in my neck within the past 5 minutes (Gads – that smarts). Thanks to all for an excellent blog that I read daily.
And yes, he is. Just not a particularly close cousin.
bmaz @ 358
silly me … I would worry about the money but obviously thats not the case here:)
And hi to TRex and your charming cat. So sorry to hear about the back pain. Please feel better soon!
TRex @ 328
Oh, got a little tear going..
Screw them and their chilling effect.
Kristine @ 356
KSFO loser Melanie Morgan was the WPITW tonight.
TRex, remember… ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK!!!!
Or, What Would Cliff Schecter Do?
Damiana, I eat a diet heavy in garlic and onion for a different condition I suffer from – protein c deficiency in my blood. The garlic and onion improves blood flow for that, I need even more sulfur than that in my system so I really need a good supplemental to take. Thanks for the suggestion though! I eat a lot of Indian and Mexican recipes to incorporate the garlic and onions.
FiniFiniTOOBZ!
thanks … I will try “the google” too
what ever happened to google.unclesam…when I try it isnt working…but then I am typing challenged
I’m wondering if anyone can shed some light on why??? we’re not hearing much on the Sy Hersch article from the New Yorker stating that Bush is funding some of the extremist Sunni groups! You’d think that even the weenie Democrats in Congress would be all over this.
TRex @ 342
Mr. Edwards did not raise 1% of the stink he should have over this. No mention anywhere. Tchak.
Raph: Thanks for the link. Wow.
TRex, about cats and potty problems: click on my name and it’ll take you to my cat blog. My most recent post is all about how my cat potty trained me.
Having a cat that’s 19 years old means you’re doing something right.
DoverB—WWCSD…I like it.
I don’t see my hi so I’m not sure it published.. another hi and a hey in case it didn’t!
Dover Bitch @ 365
Oops, sorry, my bad. Never watch TV and blog at the same time. I think I really do need to go to bed.
Damiana @ 344
You, my dear, are a wee bit prejudiced, but thank you. I’m glad that we all survived and it looks good.
TRex @ 383
No, Melanie Morgan.
Repetition for emphasis:
BACK CARE
Use an anti-inflammatory such as Ibuprofen. If this bothers your stomach get a scrip for Lodine (300MG twice a day) to decrease swelling. These are not pain killers, but reducing the swelling will reduce the pain. Ointments (like Tiger Balm) can’t hurt unless you rely on them alone.
Apply an icepack as quickly as possible. If you don’t have an icepack use a package of frozen peas. Apply on: 20 minutes, off: 60 minutes, on: 20 minutes, etc. Later, you can alternate with a heating pad, but initially you want the ice to get the swelling down.
When you lie down or sleep, lie on your back on a firm surface (floor is good) with 2 pillows under your knees to push the small of your back down flat. Or lie on your side with a pillow between your knees.
Avoid strenuous exercise until you’re healed. Walk as much as you are able. Best excercise for a bad back is walking. You can also do stretching excercises for preventative strengthening. Also tighten your stomach muscles because those are actually what’s supporting the back. (Makes you look good too).
Avoid standing for long periods of time. And the worst thing you can do to your back is sit. If you have to sit, avoid chairs that are soft and squishy. Use a firm chair or a rocker (like JFK.) Get up and move around frequently.
When you bend over, especially to pick something up, use your knees. Never bend at the waist.
If you still have pain after 10 days of following the above, call a doctor.
I should trot out the three principles I once proposed – and have occasionally violated – for “anything goes” Late Nite humor/snark attempts:
1. never apologize
2. never explain (unless prodded, I suppose)
3. never succumb to the urge to ask out loud whether anyone “got it”.
or something like that….
RBG @ 357
DreamingCrow @ 374
*laughter* And you’re prejudiced in the opposite direction–you don’t seem to recognize just how amazing you are!
Coffee soon? My calendar tells me that although this weekend is going to be packed, next week and next weekend are still open.
TRex –
As a Catholic I find Bill Donohue more Anti-Catholic than anything Melissa or Amanda ever said. He certainaly doesn’t represent me.
Another Canadian, on the west coast – 2nd post. Great job everyone is doing around here.
I’ve been reading the blogosphere since infancy but rarely comment. Too many blogs I read everyday with so much good writing.
So some questions:
1. I’ve occasionally heard Jane was involved in the making of Natural Born Killers. Is that true?
2. Was TRex ever a commenter before he ran the night shift around here?
3. Should I have read all the questions above mine before hitting submit? All 350?
Thanks, from all the citizens of the American Empire who can’t vote, for trying to keep the man honest.
DreamingCrow @ 378
Provided that it works with my schedule, I’d love to join you!
WHAT?!
FFTOOBZ@354 – Well we can start with that Fitz was appointed by the administration. I know there are other links, but i have it on pretty solid authority from people in his sphere in Chicago that he really is a straight shooter, takes his duties obove any other considerations and, if he feels it appropriate, will go all the way to Bush. So I am not too worried about him stopping short due to political motivations. I have, however, always had a pet theory that he may not pursue certain avenues due to the fact that to do so would REALLY (as opposed to the horsedung being flung by the right) compromise national security concerns. If you believe some of the things said by Larry Johnson, Tyler Druhmiller and other CIA types, and I do, this is quite possible. Time will tell.
Damiana @ 379
You know, I know that you’re right and I still want to protest. ::sigh::
You are so ON. I will email you shortly.
dangangry @ 372
Hi back, and welcome to the lake. It’s amazing how many people here are both *really* angry and *really* nice. You’d think they’d be mutually exclusive, but I think most of the folks here are andry because they’re nice. If you know what I mean. Is there a story to your nom du blog?
400 comments????
What the heck is going on over here?
Must be the “fringe” 65% of America.
TRex @ 383
Melanie Morgan was wpitw
Great to see how many delurks you have already inspired. So many, in fact, that there’s no way I can paw through the comments.
As for me, I believe I have read 90 % of the posts here since the trial began (though admittedly, I’ve scarcely touched on comments and threads). I’ve commented occasionally, but own up that I would probably be a logical candidate for “lurker” category. Not for lack of interest, mind you!
It’s been fantastic having you knowledgeable and well-spoken folks as our representatives and interpreters in and out of the courtroom. The credibility you have established for the non-main streams of attending to, reporting, and commenting with nuances on the events of the day vs. the “liberal MSM” is one of the most potent outcomes of this seminal event, I would say.
LotusLand @ 380
1.) Jane was the movie’s producer
2.) Yes, as was most every front pager except for Jane and Christy. It’s how they find their best talents. Keep commenting here and you might get pulled to the front page like Eli recently was, or Peterr.
3.) If a comment section thread is over 200 I tend to only read the previous 15 minutes’ worth of comments before jumping in, but we all have our own styles.
LotusLand, here’s Jane’s IMDB entry.
urban pirate @ 386
we’re in, fringing upon the right.
dangangry @ 372
greetings!
welcome!
howdy!
This is probably EPU’d, what a lot of comments! I just got to this thread but I followed Thesaurus Rex here from Shakespeare’s Sister some time back. I live in Central Washington with Mr. Ouiski, and I’m about to take over the website of our local Dems. Am addicted to the Libby liveblogging and TRex’s late night.
Kristine @
356
nope, it was melanie morgan of ksfo, wingnut radio for the bay area. for getting p3wned by her program director for calling george soros a nazi.
ouiski @ 393
SHHHHHHH!!
Dude.
Call me TRex, now!
*g*
dangangry @
372
hello to dangangry and bush’s cousin too!
TRex @ 396
OK, I won’t if you won’t call me dude! Doesn’t seem fitting for a grandma.
*g*
I don’t comment often, but I’m here every day.
About the back pain: My back is chronically screwed up, but I found a great PT/Chiropractor/Massage therapist’s office. Three good-lookin’ guys taking turns working on my back. Ahhhhhhh . . .. Too bad it worked so well and my treatment ended.
TRex @ 313
Pleeeeease
ouiski @ 392
H ouiski,
This thread will go on probably until 8 am EST, unless TRex splits it for being too long. Late Nite usually dies down around 3 or 4am, and picks up again around 6 when Old Coastie puts on the coffee and Marion brings in the NYTimes. Then maybe Scarecrow will put up something, he’s usually around 8, and Christy might have something around 9 and then Jane and Marcy at 9:30.
So you can’t possibley be EPU’d until tomorrow morning.
wow…lot’s of fresh, foreign names here tonight…am I in the right place? doesn’t seem like Kansas…
Time for the astrology report, everybody ready?
spiderpaws @ 402
…runs up and gives Spidey a big-ass hug, the kind folks from AREA 51 know how to give.
Spiderpaws, OOOOh yeah!
Yellowdog Jim – I saw you very late in the thread comment on Max Headroom the other night. I have thought for a couple of years that we might actually be heading towards the Edison Carter model of journalism; especially with the ease and quality of video these days coupled with the internet. Sounds loopy but I really see it to some extent. AlsoI saw your This Machine Kills Fascists reference up this thread, do you post under that name at Political Animal?
bmaz @ 383
Excellent points all of them, and I think a lot of my reluctance to embrace Fitz unequivocally has been due to comments Larry Johnson has made about him before. Johnson is as straight a shooter as they come and if he has trepidations for some reason my instinct is to trust his instinct.
Also, and I REALLY hate to discuss this because of the can of worms that it entails, but I am a very mild 9/11 skeptic. I am not unhinged in my analysis of the events of that day, but I don’t buy the government version of events. I however do not believe MOST of the conspiracy theories advanced on the subject, however there are legit questions being asked in some quarters. What does this have to do with Fitz?
Fitz all through the 90s up until September 9th, 2001 was the government’s top Al Quaeda prosecutor in NYC. Two days before his office is crushed in WTC 7 he gets moved to the political corruption office in Chicago. He cleaned out his office on 9/10/01. That same day he sent an email to a colleague imploring him to stay “so that somebody can keep up the fight.”
He also has extensive ties to Rudy Guliani having served under him when Rudy was US Attorney before he became Mayor. All of these tidbits make me nervous about him.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @
390
Thanks for the answers!
And wow – she produced From Hell too? Some of my favourite movies!
TRex @ 338
Tylenol, I totally follow the directions and drink lots of water. Advil and Motrin I will double up on.
Hi TRex -
Hope I’m not being a threadhog….
I) Advil and motrin do the same thing. Taking both at once – let alone “doubling up” on both is almost certainly an overdose!
II) Turns out that the “label recommended” maximum dose of “Maximum Strength” tylenol will kill through liver damage in some individuals.
I used to shrink with a liver transplant team. Liver transplants are needed, but not fun. I’d rather avoid one.
For new onset pain, I’d never exceed three regular strength (325 mg) tylenol per day. [or two extra-strength (500 mg) or extended release [625 mg] tylenol per 24 day/24 hours.]
Save for helping MacNeil sell more Tylenol, there’s no reason to exceed to exceed these doses in new onset from routine injuries. Higher doses are very unlikely to help with pain – but will kill off some folks’ livers.
TRex: unlike the ofEdwards bloggers, you have wonderful warrior princesses who’ll back you 100% if ever someone tries to Donohue you. Queens as well.
Spiderpaws, can you do a horary chart for me? I want to know how the Libby trial will turn out.
Posted at DKos.
Rush really made a fool of himself.!
To Limbaugh and Back – TBI & Bob Woodruff’s Journey
Bob Woodruff’s documentary is a must see.
Oh, I meant it as an exclamation. Like, “Whoa, Dude!”
But, you know, deal.
*spits on palm*
Shake on it?
bmaz @ 384
“I would be pissed if I thought that I was being accused of lying a nation into war” paraphrase…it was the close… it was beyond my liberalest dreams… it felt like an opening…maybe b/c I went to school w/ the Jesuits too I think he might care about “the facts” more than the friends…but then…he is a successful lawyer and I am simply an individual hoping for justice (disingenuity(sp) intended)
spiderpaws @ 401
Yes, yes!!
TRex @ 411
Deal.
R.I.P., Arthur M Schlesinger Jr
TRex @ 413
Do tell!
I lurk I sometimes post and I am addicted to FDL. A Dead head paralegal in Alaska who enjoys reading the pots of the regulars as if they were from family.
Alicia @
417
I think she likes to keep us in suspense – or she is wandering around looking for her lighter.
Anybody else catch this?
Bush FDA guts funding for Office of Women’s health, despite congress having approved the whole requested budget
Ahgoo @ 416
Hey, did you meet our Edward Teller? He’s in Alaska.
…comin’ at ya Area 51.
Will just start by saying this is going to be one hell of a month. Two eclipses, a retrograde Mercury, Mars over in Aquarius stirring up trouble and lots of impatient and overly sensitive people. those with chart angles or planets from 7 to 17 degrees of Virgo, Pisces, Gemini and Sag, this is going to be very significant for you.
(you listening jacqrat?) And there’s more…the stock market will likely not straighten out until Venus enters Taurus on the 17th. Doors will start opening for the diligent at that time….this is just the tip of the iceberg, I could go on all night with March alone…but, heh, I won’t bore you.
Jacqrat @ 418
she must be “reading the pots” …like Ahgoo… :~)
TeddySanFran @ 414
Damn, he will be missed greatly. He was one of my favorite historians.
Hello All… I’m back and with a Buzz! Woohoo! How’s everything?
Lot’s of FNG’s tonight?
sorry, sometimes I slip back into barracks-slang!
Hope you’re feeling better TRex! Pain in the lumbar regions is no fun… Anyway, I got here via either HuffPost or Kos — don’t remember which — following a link during the trial. Muchisimos kudos for all your sterling efforts in that regard. As for me, I lurk from afar: the Sultanate of Oman, to be precise, where I’ve lived and worked since 1988. It’s in the Gulf, to be sure, but far from the madness — unless and until Shrubco decides to hit Iran, in which case things might change drastically, considering the Iranian coast is but 130 miles or so due north of whence I write.
hmm…
I am pretty late to this party…
but, anyways, I have been reading here for a while… the Libby coverage really got me hooked on the quality of the writing and the depth of knowledge the posters here possess…
and I return in the evening to read TRex and his merry band of revolutionaries… and damned amusing they are
I have commented on a few threads such as Eli’s on media ownership concentration and enjoyed the lazy Sunday morning thread wit…
all in all? a damned fine place to spend some time… and how many comments in this thread now? over 400? I wonder if that doesn’t say something about the overall appeal of the late night thread…
bdu @ 419
revenge for approving Plan B.
down with theocracy!
hi
read your post this morning (as i tend to do), the location being somewhere in continental western europe.
your blog is one of the windows into the real world, keep it up.
good luck
jan
stand back, people: Nate’s got a buzz, and he’s not afraid to use it!
spiderpaws @ 420
Well, Mercury comes out of retrograde on the 7th, right? Hey, remember I said that this retrograde hasn’t been so bad? I was wrong.
bmaz @ 403
i have not posted at PA.
it is impressive how technological developments since 1986 have seemed determined to enable the edison carter motif.
all the better for decentralization i say.
back ache – pot
heart ache – same
trex – thanks for the invite and welcoming…and making me feel like I’m not an idiot even when my questions are stupid and
thanks everyone at FDL for everything:)
I no longer feel like a lonely little petunia in an onion patch!