
(Photo credit for this heartbreaking shot to Damir Sagolij/Reuters — CHS)
NOTE: Yesterday afternoon, the Judge in the Libby trial received a note from the Jury (likely a question, but we're not sure), and that matter will be taken up some time this morning. Jane and Marcy will be at the courthouse by about 9:30 a.m. EST, and they will post word from there when they know. So while we're all waiting . . .
Tuesday's Boston Globe ran a front page article, "Uneasy start to Baghdad plan," that reports on how the current plan to pacify the Iraqi capital is going. As you'll see from the link, the subtitle is "Identifying insurgents proves difficult," and to prove the point, half way through the article, we find this stunning quote from a US soldier involved in the Baghdad operations:
I don't know who I'm fighting most of the time.
He was not kidding. To understand how serious this problem is, consider just the news we've seen in the last few days. The Administration is telling us that Iranians are supplying money, weapons and training to unnamed people in Iraq, and those weapons are being used to kill Americans. So Iranians are the enemy, right? Well, no, and the Secretary of Defense, who's next to the top in the chain of command, has just assured the American people that we are not planning a war against Iran. Moreover, anyone with any sense who has thought about this at all is warning that starting a war with Iran would be a huge strategic blunder that could inflame the entire Middle East and create uncontrollable conditions that would endanger US troops in Iraq. So we shouldn't be carelessly antagonizing the Iranians, okay? Except we are. Sy Hersh's The New Yorker article, which is starting to resemble The Iliad in its ability to spawn further stories ("feeding off the crumbs from Homer's table"), says this:
The U.S. military also has arrested and interrogated hundreds of Iranians in Iraq. “The word went out last August for the military to snatch as many Iranians in Iraq as they can,” a former senior intelligence official said. “They had five hundred locked up at one time. We’re working these guys and getting information from them. The White House goal is to build a case that the Iranians have been fomenting the insurgency and they’ve been doing it all along—that Iran is, in fact, supporting the killing of Americans.” The Pentagon consultant confirmed that hundreds of Iranians have been captured by American forces in recent months. But he told me that that total includes many Iranian humanitarian and aid workers who “get scooped up and released in a short time,” after they have been interrogated.
As Hersh reports, it seems the Administration has recognized, but not admitted to the public, that it made a huge blunder in invading Iraq and dismantling its Sunni-based but non-sectarian government and army, because that allowed the fundamentalist Shia regime in Iran to gain too much influence in Shia-dominated Iraq and throughout the region. This has alarmed our Sunni friends in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt. To curtail that Shia/Iranian influence, US policy has shifted to support anyone who might check the Iranian influence. So a good soldier should be asking: which groups in Iraq are allied with the Iranians and which are independent or opposed?
Well, the central Iraqi government of Prime Minister al-Maliki is closely allied to the Iranians. Two of the government's largest Shia parties, Dawa and SCIRI, are very closely allied with the Iranians. Every time we arrest or kill Iranians in Iraq, the al-Maliki pro-Iranian government and its supporters lodge a strong protest. When we capture Iranians in Iraq, the pro-Iranian Iraq government works to secure their release. But are the Shia in the central government our enemies? Uh, no; our soldier's mission is to help support the Iraqi government against those who oppose it. So the mission is to limit the rising influence of pro-Iranian Shia, unless they are members of the Iraqi government that have close and growing ties with Shia Iran. Got it so far? I'm not done.
We don't like the Shia cleric Moktada al Sadr, and our soldiers have fought his Mahdi Army in fierce battles in several Iraq cities. They don't like us because we are invaders/occupiers in their country. So these Shia must be the enemy, right? Sorta, except al Sadr is not nearly as pro-Iranian as SCIRI Shia, who the neocons like Joe Lieberman keep saying are "moderate." In fact, al Sadr has been a consistent supporter of a strong central Iraq government; he wants a united nation, just like we do, and more independent of its neighbors. He just wants the US troops out of his country. He has tolerated death squads against the Sunnis, but al Sadr is also reported to be cooperating with the latest security plan, though predicting it will fail as long as Americans are in charge; he's telling his supporters to fall back and not engage the Iraqi and US troops, and he's standing back while US troops go after rogue elements of his own militia that are believed engaged in death squads.
So maybe al Sadr and his Madhi Army Shia are not the enemy, except the ones who are. Which are which? Well, you can tell the former from the latter when the latter shoot at us. And don't forget it was the SCIRI compound, not Sadr City, in which US troops captured several Iranians we accused of helping to arm Shia to kill Americans.
But at least the Sunnis are the enemy, except the ones who aren't, and lately that's becoming a little ambiguous, so I'll explain it. Sunnis who are participating in the pro-Iranian central government are okay; Sunnis who are opposing the pro-Iranian central government, because they fear Iran's influence for the same reasons we do, are the enemy. Make sense? And if that's not clear enough, Hersh reports that the US government is supporting militant jihadist Sunnis in Lebanon in order to offset Shia Hezbollah, and some of this support may be used to help train and arm Iraqi insurgents — probably Sunni, but maybe Shia? — to help fight Americans.
So your mission is to fight the bad Shia but not the good Shia, and fight the bad Sunni, but not the good Sunni. And make sure you don't get the good ones confused with the bad ones, because if you do, you can get in trouble with your own military command and be court martialed. Killing innocent civilians is not okay, but under the clear and hold strategy, you're expected to go through every house, not knowing who is innocent and who is not, and you're expected to confiscate weapons, except that civilians are entitled to be armed with one rifle and one clip of ammo for self protection against people who might break down their doors. But when you go in, you have to break down the civilians' doors, so they're going to be upset at you, and armed, even if they're innocent. And they have enough experience with Iraqi security forces to believe they may be in danger from their own army/police; they're the ones who are watching as you are conducting your joint operations.
Also, the Saudis are our friends. The Saudis are Sunnis, and they provide financial and possibly other support to the minority/insurgent Sunnis in Iraq and have said they'll intervene more directly to protect the Sunnis if they're seriously threatened by the Shia government. The Sunnis would be threatened if we focused on the Sunnis. So when you're fighting the Sunnis who are fighting the Shia pro-Iranian government, don't go too far, because that would upset our Saudi Sunni friends and encourage them to support the Sunnis you're fighting. Message: fight, but don't fight too hard.
On Tuesday a suicide bomber attacked the base in Afghanistan where Vice President Cheney had stopped. The bomber never got beyond security at the gate, but the blast killed 23 people, including two Americans. The media reported on the Vice President, that he may have been the target, that the attack was symbolic, and that he was safe and went on with his meetings. There was only a brief mention of the 23 people killed; worse, no report I've seen mentioned what, if anything, the Vice President said about the people whose lives were lost protecting him. I hope he said more than this.
Finally, the White House announced today that they want to talk to the Iranians and Syrians about things those regimes might do to improve security in Iraq, so if you get an order to arrest some Iranians, respectfully ask your commanding officer if he/she got the memo. If he/she didn't, I don't know how to advise you.
I don't know who I'm fighting most of the time.
No kidding buddy, and neither do we.
_______________
Dear Congress:
When the Administration described its new escalation plan in January, the President promised, and many of you insisted, that no new plan should go forward unless there was a clear, understandable, finite and feasible mission for our troops. Our highest military officers demanded that the mission be carefully defined before committing more troops. Even those of you who supported sending more troops agreed that a clearly defined mission was the essential condition. You promised the American people that this would be your policy.
Well, there's a soldier in Iraq who's there because you allowed the President to send him there, and he says he doesn't know who the enemy is. He's not alone. You've got 140,000 troops over there, and more on the way, and they all have the same problem. Knowing who the enemy is the absolute prerequisite to having a clearly defined and feasible mission. But he says he doesn't know, and frankly, I don't think you do either.
As far as our troops, their families and the rest of us can tell, we have nothing but a hopelessly muddled "policy" that can't consistently define the enemy or our soldiers' mission, can't explain why they should be risking their lives and has no clue why any of this is in the nation's strategic interests. In place of a rational policy, we have disingenuous, incoherent babble from this Administration and from those of you who still support this war. A growing majority of the American people now realize this emperor has no clothes, and you are embarassing us by not admitting it and by refusing even to debate this reality. We will hold you accountable in 2008.
Congress, you have failed this soldier. You've failed all the "reinforcements" you are sending his way, because they can't help if you can't even explain the mission or help them understand who their enemy is. You authorized this. This is your responsibility. You allowed the President to put this soldier and his buddies in harms way, but you've made it impossible for them to defend themselves because they can't even tell who they're supposed to fight.
You have a Constitutional duty to oversee the conduct of this war. You have a moral obligation to answer this soldier's question. Who is the enemy? Why are they enemy? How does this protect America or anyone else?
Before you allow another soldier to be sent to Iraq, you have a moral obligation to explain to our troops and the American people what the hell we're doing over there. And if you can't do that, you have a duty to get them out of harms way. Failing to do that would be nothing short of criminal. Do your jobs.
Impatiently,
The American People
_______________
Dear President Bush and Vice President Cheney:
You have lost the confidence and trust of the American people. In order for Congress and the American people to give our troops the support they deserve, it is necessary for the two of you to resign. And take your entire Cabinet with you.
Disgusted,
The American People
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FITZ!
Friend of mine told me yesterday his kid has been stop lossed in Iraq. Now they have no idea when he’s coming home.
And for what is this family sacrificing?
If we recruit enough foreigners to fight in the Army, then it will be strangers fighting other strangers. Hardly our concern.
Except for the immorality.
Today’s the day… Today’s the day… Today’s the day…
But even if it’s not
Fitz! (((FDL!!)))
Oh, and may I share my disgust with our imprisoning humanitarian workers, who are trying to deal with the nightmare that we have created in the first place?
I expect this behavior by some countries, but the United States? For shame.
Beautiful day for a frogmarch!
“he wants a united nation, just like we do”
Do we?
Maybe you do, but I’m not all that upset with the idea of dividing Iraq into three countries.
In fact, that’s the only hope there seems to be of peace prevailing.
The title reminds of the Rage Against the Machine song of the same name.
“Yes I know my enemy/they’re all the teachers who taught me to FIGHT ME!”
Will there ever come a day when any of our incompetent leaders will pause and wonder What have I done?
Just had to say Hi to Scarecrow and Egregious before I read the post, ‘cuz if I read it first you’ll all have moved on by the time I’m done. Must be nice to be a fast reader.
Egregious or Scarecrow, isn’t a considerable amount of our effort in the Middle East made up of mercenaries who are paid more than the soldiers? Doesn’t that cause considerable contention already?
Muh, muh, morning allll (yawnnnn).
Ok people, let’s rev up the SPOTLIGHT engines on this one.
Scarecrow, I read thru that section twice about just who the enemy is and now I feel dizzy.
Ann—
They prefer to be called “contractors” but yes, they are there in enormous numbers and their higher pay creates morale issues for the regular military.
I hate to sound like a coward, but it is just too cloudy and dreary a day here to face so much bad news.
MADNESS!
there’s a lot of that going around, eh?
looseheadprop @ 13
Take the day off, you deserve it.
Think happy thoughts.
Jane and Marcy are on their way to the courthouse as I type this, if not already there. Ooooooh — can’t wait to find out what the note is. The suspense is killing me.
And Scarecrow — thank for such a beautifully written, thought-provoking post this morning.
Try explaining this stupid war to your kids. They’re supposed to look up to the President when they’re kids.
Meanwhile GWB’s policies towards the poor in this country produces another casualty.
For Want of a Dentist
Pr. George’s Boy Dies After Bacteria From Tooth Spread to Brain
By Mary Otto
Washington Post Staff Writer
Twelve-year-old Deamonte Driver died of a toothache Sunday.
A routine, $80 tooth extraction might have saved him.
….
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02116.html
I am bringing this in now because many of our people are losing this “war” at home. In Alaska there is a program to train Alaskan Native dental technicians to provide basic dental services to very remote villages that is opposed by dentists who hardly ever bother to provide services themselves. So the program has had a difficult time being approved.
War abroad and war on ourselves at home.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 17
I hope they beat that cable network to Marcy’s chair!
George Simian @ 18
the president is a laughing stock even to children…this is bizzarre
Christy Hardin Smith @
17
Maybe the question is about the form the jury has to fill out. It’s a killer form…
Good Morning Firedogs,
Scarecrow, about a paragraph in to your post, I started reading it aloud – imagining what it would be like for our non blogging fellow Americans to hear everything stated so cohesively and coherently –
and now I’m spotlighting like crazy
Christy Hardin Smith @ 17
I’ll watch Mom and Dad’s door. You run downstairs and peek under the tree!
looseheadprop @
14
Sorry, but my role is to be the morning bugler.
Good morning egregious and every one.
Let today be the day.
Best post I have EVER read on this mess?
I really think so.
Props.
And propogation. ;)
egregious @
12
Agreed, eg. This is a terrific column.
Spotlight to: imus@msnbc.com
imusmail@wfan.com
Imus is genuinely concerned about this lousy war. This is a perspective he should read!
And he should be asking people like Jane, Christy and Marcy about the Libby case instead of the filters…. just sayin’. With the Schuster exemption, of course. Schuster’s solid gold.
Scarecrow @
25
Reveille!
Arguements at the Supreme Courts today.
From the NYT’s editorial:
Government by Law, Not Faith
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02…..ref=slogin
What that soldier had to say was said a million times during the Vietnam war. Stupid wars of aggression are like that.
Ugh, after Monday, I am completely nervous about that jury note. Arrrgghhh.
Feb 27, 2007 By Kelly Kennedy, Army Times Staff writer [Excerpts]
Soldiers at Walter Reed Army Medical Center’s Medical Hold Unit say they have been told they will wake up at 6 a.m. every morning and have their rooms ready for inspection at 7 a.m., and that they must not speak to the media.
“Some soldiers believe this is a form of punishment for the trouble soldiers caused by talking to the media,” one Medical Hold Unit soldier said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
Soldiers say their sergeant major gathered troops at 6 p.m. Monday to tell them they must follow their chain of command when asking for help with their medical evaluation paperwork, or when they spot mold, mice or other problems in their quarters.
Spotlighted this to 10 at the LA Times…
I’ve been cleaning up typos, so refresh the main page. Anyone see any more?
christy,
this is awfully good stuff.
you have delineated all the moving parts, so far as we know them, in this shifting mosaic of interests.
and the specifics add up to one big picture: it is an impossible mission the republicans are asking of the troops.
the military is starting to get that.
the democrats ought to make this point relentlessly.
and even the bush-lovers of cable ought to recognize the situation that the bushites have wrought.
i believe that what the administration sought was, in fact, chaos — but they had this whacked out notion that they could “ride herd” on it.
by definition, you can’t control chaos.
any day now, surely, “oops, our bad,” will be coming from the white house.
no, guess we’ll never hear that. as if it mattered.
slaps forehead – d’oh! silly bloggers, it’s the wounded’s fault
annx at 31 — I hear you on that, but I’m trying to recall all of the various jury questions that I have sat through waiting for my own verdicts in cases. And the bottom line is that most questions have to do with jury instructions, testimony and/or verdict forms — or some variation on application of law to facts. But it’s the outliers that don’t fall into those categories that can really throw things for a loop. I expect the former, and hope we don’t get the latter.
And waiting is just so damned hard this morning. Patience is not one of my virtues today. SIGH
my bad, obviously. twas scarecrow wrote this gem.
all props to the ‘crow.
dmg @ 38
It’s a great compliment to be mistaken for Christy. thanks.
John West @
30
From Full Metal Jacket
Good morning everyone.
Great Oliphant cartoon today! (Unless you’re GWB)
http://www.uclick.com/client/wpc/po/
cheney’s “I heard a big boom” is truly lame. The noise he heard was the sound of 23 people being blow to bits. I wonder if his secure location was down wind…did he smell the odor of dead? I’m confused as to why none of the reporters who traveled with the vp have had nothing to say…not even one still picture…what are the afraid of?
I want patience,
and I want it RIGHT NOW.
llbear @
32
Shocking, these fucking lifers do what they always do!
Quintus @ 8
Wasn’t it a Fireside Theatre album that had the protaganist say, ‘But Dad, how can you be my defense attorney and the state prosecutor at the same time?’ answer: ‘That’s easy son. That way I can see you’re prosecuted to the full extent of the law.’
And back to the ‘your enemy is my enemy except when he is a friend to my friend’s ex-enemy but sometimes my enemy is my friend’s friend’s ex-enemy’s enemy so I don’t have a clue what I am doing’ theme of the thread:
the idea MUST be to simply create a clusterfuck of monumental proportions. I can’t believe they are this stupid.
Otherwise ‘I’m my own grandpa.’
Great post! I’ve given up on BushCo and friends…but your letter to Congress is spot-on!
We need to start getting out of Iraq NOW – not next fall or next spring – NOW.
Otherwise, another year will have gone by and Bush will have achieved his objective and will be handing this mess onto the next administration to fix.
JTH @ 26
I’ll second that and I am writing a book in part about the war. It really comes down to this: how on earth will we know when we have won? Or lost for that matter. I suppose the answer for neo-cons is when there is a stable government that allows a large, permanent U.S. military presence on bases full of air power capacity that effectively control the whole of the region and allows U.S. companies to extract and export oil in perpetuity.
The one thing I would add is that I think that the reason Sadr is considered less ‘moderate’ is that he is a nationalist and opposes signing a sweetheart deal with U.S. oil companies.
Two vultures sitting on a branch, one turns to the other and says, “Patience my ass, I’m going to kill something!”
jerri @ 43
Yeah, I’m really curious about this. The OVP official site has a brief transcript of what the VP said to reporters. It’s possible that he expressed some concern for those killed in the comments before the quote. But I find it interesting that the OVP did not think it important enough to include.
If anyone has seen a news account that answers this question, let me know, and I’ll update the post.
My Humble Prediction:
Come election time, republicans will run on the Get Out Of Iraq platform. Democrats had two years and didn’t do it, now trust us.
Balrog @
9
No, Sadly, no. (channeling Duncan)
Terry Olson @ 51
entirely plausible. like the ex-spouse who asks for your assistance in dissuading the teenager from getting a belly piercing and after all your arguments against the belly ring turns around and gives the kid money for it.
Doh! Set up again!
Scarecrow @ 25
It’s a well written post. Really well done.
I just wish it didn’t need to be done. Usually posts like this get my Irish up and make me mad.
Today it just seems to sad to contemplate.
I’m back to that quote from Andrew Sullivan that was being volleyballed around yesterday or the day before.
A depserate wounded Cheney is even crzier and scarier than usual.
Good morning everyone. I was going to get out of here this morning–beautiful day here in Richmond, VA–but I can’t because of the note.
Help me. I’m obsessed…
Beautiful post Scarecrow.
annx @ 31
I wouldn’t be nevous. The note is not a bad thing. It is a normal thing.
Of course since we are all dying for the tiniest scrap of info so we can busy reading tea leaves and constuction lovely headgear from foil, anticipation is an expected emotion for all of us.
Sen. John Kerry, D-Massachusetts, grilled nominee Sam Fox about why he donated $50,000 to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth during the 2004 presidential race. The group of Vietnam veterans made unsubstantiated allegations against Kerry — then the Democratic presidential nominee — and charged that Kerry did not deserve the medals he won in the Vietnam War.
“Might I ask you what your opinion is with respect to the state of American politics as regards the politics of personal destruction?” Kerry asked near the end of the hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
Fox, one of the nation’s most generous contributors to Republican candidates and causes, said he shared Kerry’s concerns that politics “has become mean and destructive.”
Fox said he didn’t recall who asked him to give to the group and blamed partisans on both sides for contributing to so-called 527 groups that are not subject to conventional campaign finance rules.
“So is that your judgment that you would bring to the ambassadorship, that two wrongs make a right?” Kerry asked.
“I did it because politically it’s necessary if the other side’s doing it,” Fox said.
Scarecrow @
34
Great post Scarecrow. Spotlight for sure, and it will generate a lot of letters to congresscritters.
In your first line, do you mean “likely a question” rather than “a likely question”?
jerri @ 43
Not what are they afraid of? It’s who’s afraid of them?
Here are a few reports from their trip…
raven at 57 — I saw a little of that. Bob Geiger has a great write-up on it here. Do you have a link to what you just posted? I’d love to read it. Thanks!
Anybody see the Bob Woodruff special last night? I spent an hour bouncing back and forth between sadness and infuriation – neither words strong enough to convey my true feelings.
You’re just on fire all the time on this subject, scarecrow. Awesome.
lhp –
All true, lhp. But you and those here are awake; the post was meant for those who aren’t.
Prairie Sunshine at 27:
So is Chris Matthews, maybe even more so. He’s very afraid that the war in Iraq, which he doesn’t believe in (anymore, if he ever did), will lead to a war in Iran, which has the potential to start a world war. What’s worse, he’s afraid our current government is rash and brash enough to make it nuclear.
Eg
Can I tell how happy it has made me to see your comments all bouncy lately? You seem to be doing so much better. I’m so glad
Good morning all.
Scarecrow @ 63
Which is why all the spotlighting is a good idea.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 60
Sorry. . .again!Swift
HotFlash @ 58
Yep. I missed that one, likely. It’s fixed.
Someone needs to get to George H.W. Bush. Once again, he needs to step up, perhaps for the last time, and fix the mess his son has made. As always, his son is incapable. Bush must realize that the legacy of the Bush family has become the legacy of George W. Bush.
looseheadprop @ 56
Thanks lhp and CHS. I’m Irish, so of course I’m a complete worrywart. I need to get one of those thumb stones.
FDL is really blessed to have such stellar contributors. Scarecrow today, Eli last night, Howie, and all the rest of the part timers have melded with the always brilliant regulars to make this site a wonderful pleasure. I am amazed every day, and thankful always that we have this place to gather.
No ode to FDL is complete without mention of the comments section. Yay team! You guys rock!
Ann in AZ @ 64
Well maybe the stockmarket correction will slow things downa bit. For some reason Shrub seems to measur ehis success by how well the market is doing. Pickles said something consistant with that during her “one pesky bomb explosion a day” interview.
Ex-Mr. Prop is a Wall Street guy. He tells me the sell off is continuing today and he expects things will get worse before they get better. He is also a Shrub/Cheney kool aide drinker and thinks the crash may make them pause beofre going into Iran.
I hope he is right, for once.
I don’t know who I’m fighting most of the time.
do I recall that was the message Casey Sheehan sent home before he was killed in Bagdad?
I started reading it and all I could see was the image of the hustler on the street with 3 card monty. Not meant to be disrespectful of the troops who have been massively let down by this administration in SO many ways.
I sent the link to this off to both of our Senators. This should be loudly debated on the floor of both the House and the Senate. These questions must be answered.
And scarecrow, Christy, et al, you found the right picture.
Badwater @
70
I agree, though he’s getting mighty old, and then there’s Barbara. I didn’t not like GHWB. He hung out with these same nut cases, and was able to hold them in the road – Cheney, Wolfowitz, etc. That his son unleashed them is beyond tragic…
jeffreyw at 72 — Awwww, thanks. So glad you are enjoying it. :)
am spotlighting to the usual suspects and have included Imus (thanks prairie!)
but am thinking that it might do some good (oh and all their work) if I send it to some of the wannabe kewl kidz – those not yet entrenched, but want it so bad, they can taste the cocktail sauce -
Chris Cilizza
Ana Marie Cox
surely there are more, feel free to chime in (a temporary distraction at best, but a distraction just the same)
could be way off, but am thinking ambition could be our friend here ;)
looseheadprop @ 65
Thanks!
:)
annx @ 71
You know, I’m a recovering Catholic, but I still have my rosary beads of Conamarra marble sitting in a bowl in my office. When things get freaky and I need composure…..
Back when I worked in the City, I would go sit in the next to last pew in St. Andrews church. Second seat in from the center aisle. It was my “spot” when things got to be overwhelming.
Worry beads, quiet peaceful places, thumb stones all things of the same kind. People have used varients of these for millenia, because they work
egregious @ 79
Scarecrow, you have outdone yourself on this post, and that is saying something. Very, very well done indeed – though depressing as hell.
Worry beads, quiet peaceful places, thumb stones all things of the same kind. People have used varients of these for millenia, because they work
I have and Our Lady of Guadalupe gear shift knob on my 66 Chevy truck (and a buddah on the rear view mirror)!
HW Bush might have had a conscience, unlike his son.
Talk to us, Prettyman folks. We’re ready…
Well, gotta run now. Won’t have access to a computer for the day, or for much of the week. I hate to feel ambiguous about it, but my oldest son will be a guest and I haven’t seen him in about a year or so, so I will be busy going and doing with him. Unfortunately, that means I won’t be tuned in here to see if the verdict has come out, although I may see it on the news. But here’s to good luck on the wisdom of our peers on the jury!
This may sound crazy, but when I’m upset, I like to go to a cemetery. I walk around and read people’s names and dates. I used to go to the ocean but it is too far away. The older the cemetery the better.
The notice I got about the jury’s note indicated that it is indeed a question the jury has.
Ann in AZ @ 64
So is Chris Matthews, maybe even more so. He’s very afraid that the war in Iraq, which he doesn’t believe in (anymore, if he ever did), will lead to a war in Iran, which has the potential to start a world war. What’s worse, he’s afraid our current government is rash and brash enough to make it nuclear.
He is right to be concerned. Check out this George Lakoff piece from HuffPost:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..42260.html
Thanks for the excellent post, Scarecrow.
Thank you Scarecrow.
I do hope it is not too forlorn a hope that a few of those close-ish to GWB bring this to his attention in a way that he is capable of hearing through the fog of whatever he is on today! Perhaps the Chain of Command will enable him to say to Edgar (Guess Who!) “Another fine mess you’ve got me into!” and then Cheney (Chainy?) will say the same in turn to his AIPAC/ADL handlers. Dream on….. but once he has been charged, perhaps!!
oh yeah, here are mine
http://www.globalmarketstore.c…..dolls.html
but the last 6 years have made me pick up the rosary beads again (blessed by His Holiness John XXIII)
Dru: The story linked above refers to the American GBU-28 weapon – the so-called bunker buster – can pierce about 23 feet of concrete and 100 feet of soil.
GBU-28 Named after Bush?
Great post Scarecrow. Sums up the situation perfectly. How depressing. At the rate the Democratic Congress is moving, it will take a long time to turn this ship around.
Hoping that a Libby conviction will push us a bit further in the right direction.
ccmask @ 84
HW supervised a conspiracy whereby criminals STOLE American armaments, sold them on the black market, laundered the money through switchback bank accounts and then funneled to the Contras after Congress cut off funding and forbid any monies from any source from being used for that purpose!
Then, he preemptively pardoned people before the Special Prosecutor could bring them to justice. There wasn’t even a trial for Casper Weinberger!!
What conscience?
sitting quietly
doing nothing
spring comes
and the grass grows by itself
On HW’s conscience… he was the guy who brought Roger Ailes and Lee Atwater to prominence. The oridinal swiftboaters who smeared opponents, often by race bating, while good old WASPy George floated above all the dreck of his underlings as if it had nothing to do with him.
No integrity. No conscience.
Scarecrow, thanks for this great post. You did an excellent job of boiling down the complexities of the soldier’s dilemma. Too bad you weren’t writing the president’s Cliff Notes back in 02.
ccmask @ 92
They say it stands for Guided Bomb Unit, but it was a product of Texas Instruments so ya never know…
looseheadprop @
14
Dear lhp,
’scuse, but you couldn’t possibly sound like a coward if you tried.
You are one of our most precious lifelines around here. If the pressure gets too much, just join hands – ‘ere
Now exhale – breathe deeply, again…
{{{{{hugs}}}}}
llbear @
32
Umm, this just sounds like reassertion of military control of the hospital system. Anyone who’s spent time in an army hospital knows the drill.
I spent a couple of weeks in the hospital with an infection that caused fevers so high that I was hallucinating. But, every morning at about 6 a.m., orderlies would wake us, get us out of bed, then we would have to make our beds, and then crawl back into them….
I’m sure there were things the father wouldn’t do is what I mean. All Bushes are bad, always have been. When god was passing out the consciences, this particular president was awol.
ccmask @ 87
Last summer i was badly injured and told I might never walk normally or without great pain ever again. For someone used to walking 2-5 miles before breakfast on weekdays(usually to the beach) and doing 8-210 miles in the woods on the weekends, this was very bad news.
That’s where I got whatever zen or serentity I posses.
Good news, I have confounded the many specialists and ortho guys and now walk with no perceptiable limp.
Christy, could you see the limp? And recently wore 3 inch stilettos to court. Haha!
Now all I have to do is re-learn how to stand up straight. This week I was cleared to resume the short 2 mile walk to the beach. Got to do it ONCE and then we have had ice on the cround ever since and I dare not go for fear of falling and reinjuring.
Maybe that’s why I am so glum today, I am dying to get out and hike a little
Fresh thread from the gang at Prettyman. Up and ready for the reading.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0228.html
jerri @
43
Laura Rozen had this up yesterday, and I posted.
Rough Ride On Air Force Two
montag @
100
Agreed. The problem at Walter Reed was caused by a breakdown in military discipline, not by its excess. In essence, a large number of soldiers had accumulated in the outpatient facilities, and the military hadn’t bothered to set up an efficient and effective command structure to ensure that they received the care that they needed. Wounded platoon sergeants, scarcely able to care for themselves, were assigned to attend to larger-than-usual numbers of wounded warriors. What Walter Reed needed were healthy, fully-capable noncoms assigned to deal with smaller-than-usual groups of troops, so that they could give them the extra support that they need.
If the problems are really getting fixed, I’ve got no issue with a reassertion of discipline – it could even be healthy for all involved. And it it’s a whitewash, we’ll know soon enough; say what you will about the MSM, Dana Priest is a rockstar.
ccmask @ 100
Daddy Bush is just as bad as Baby Bush. But unlike the younger, the elder is not lazy. Or willfully ignorant.
Scarecrow — thank you for such a well written, thought-provoking post this morning. It is also very depressing! Nevertheless it is very clear – I think – well maybe. Maybe I should read it a second time, to be absolutely certain who the enemy is.
At last, I have it! The enemy is Cheney and Bush and ….
Mabel’s @ 46: Don’t remember the album title, but the character was George Tirebiter.
Woodhall Hollow @ 107
let’s not forget papa bush’s stint as head of the c.i.a., the only preznint to serve as such.
no, he’s no fool.
and his son’s a psychopath — so by definition he has no conscience.
presque vu @ 109
“waiting for the electrician or somebody like him”
rocket scientist @ 108
L&G, we have a winner.
Lakoff on the rush for war with Iran:
“The time has come to stop the attempt to make a nuclear war against Iran palatable to the American public. We do not believe that most Americans want to start a nuclear war or to impose nation destruction on the people of Iran. They might, though, be willing to support a tit-for-tat “surgical” “attack” on Natanz in retaliation for small canister bombs and to end Iran’s early nuclear capacity.”
[Lakoff bold]
looseheadprop @ 94
HW supervised a conspiracy whereby criminals STOLE American armaments, sold them on the black market, laundered the money through switchback bank accounts and then funneled to the Contras after Congress cut off funding and forbid any monies from any source from being used for that purpose!
Then, he preemptively pardoned people before the Special Prosecutor could bring them to justice. There wasn’t even a trial for Casper Weinberger!!
What conscience?
wow, says it in a nutshell
great synopsis!
egregious @ 113
I don’t know just what a tat is, so I prefer the synonym equivalent of
an eye for an eye
An oracle, whose name I have long forgotten, pointed out that if we all believe in an eye for an eye then eventually the whole world will become blind. In this particular instance, it seems that many are starting out blind.
Question: If we are not planning a war (Secretary of Defence) does that mean we are not planning an attack either?
This is the best, most cogent commentary on the subject that I’ve read in a long, long time. You’ve done a great job of laying out a crazy and complex situation. Better yet, you’ve made it crystal clear why it is unfair to put our military in the middle of this mess, while our leadership stumbles around trying to figure out what to do.
Murtha knew this, and said it, in so many words, in November of 2005. But everyone was much more concerned about their political positioning than about what he was warning against. He’s been trying to say it, over and over, ever since then, while professional politicians keep him at arm’s length and smear artists try to destroy him.
Hersh’s articles are just about the only thing that I trust reading, besides the blogs. I both anticipate and dread them. It takes me quite awhile to digest each article that he writes, requiring multiple readings, and consideration of others’ analyses of his writings. The one thing I always wonder about Hersh is how he manages to keep writing these articles — why he hasn’t been stopped somehow.
Thanks for your very well written story.
scarecrow, another BAM outta the park! I’m sending this to friends and relatives so they, too, can help “explain” the challenges our brave but daunted soldiers face over there because our President over here is too stupid to understand what he hath wrought.
Once again, I submit that America is too large to be governed by a single executive, or even three relatively equal branches. The tin foil I wear these days in many layers thick and I won’t really be surprised if their is an executive coup around of before 2008. Big ba-da-boom, eek it’s the terraists! and suddenly it’s no longer safe to hold elections.
There is a guy named Gar Alperovitz who is beginning to write about dividing the country into approx. 12 sections. I was only going for 4 sections. I want to find more of his writings on the subject. So far, I only have read private emails sent to fellow historians. Anyone else seen anything about this out there in webland?
Stop trying to make sense of the situation. You don’t see the major media asking these hard questions, do you? Well, there you have it.
Cheney & Co. warmongers Incorporated are itching to roll out a new product on schedule. And the schedule is tight. March seems likely. Spoiling for a fight, to keep everyone off balance and keep themselves on top. There you have it.
Way down thread, but shall perservere.
That photo! I’m a little underslept and nearly burst into tears right here in my cubicle.
With luck I’m not repeating anyone: Terry Gross interviewed Sy Hersh at length last night on Fresh Air. The two of them made the byzantine resemble the accessible, as nearly as anyone could.
Good news that breaks your heart. The good news of Bob Woodruff’s miraculous recovery just underscores the tragedy of all the others who weren’t so lucky or privileged. If the Iraq war had been an honest response to a real threat, these terrible injuries and ruined lives — both American and Iraqi — would be the tragic price of fighting for freedom. But this war was based on lies, and there never was a real threat to our national security. This war was not a cause, it was a crime.
I for one think you have the brain longed for by the scarecrow, a heart longed for by the tin man, and the courage longed for by the lion.
How much more could one possibly need for the Integrity award?
But alas it doesn’t make up for the lack of integrity that is rampant in DC and in us that we are not keeping the pressure on congress and the whole structure.
Bless you, Scarecrow.
As usual, being Australian, I get left far behind in the comments. Nonetheless…
Beautiful, Scarecrow. Just beautiful. I don’t think I’ve seen the Charlie-Foxtrot in Iraq summed up so well anywhere. I’ll be highlighting this one to the Aussie blogosphere.