
(Photo by REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst via Yahoo. From left to right: Government Attorney Peter Zeidenberg, FBI Agent Deborah Bond, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, and Government Attorney Kathleen Kedian.)
For those joining us a little late this morning, the jury note was a question that was asked and answered by the jury themselves. It dealt with Count III, which is a Cooper count. Jane talked about it here, and Jeralyn has copies of both jury notes here and here. The jury is continuing to deliberate. And we continue to wait for a verdict.
While we have all spent a whole lot of time scrutinizing every aspect of the Traitorgate investigation, and the subsequent indictment and trial of I. Lewis Libby, there are aspects of the case that deserve a bit of wider discussion. And I'd like to bring a couple to everyone's attention – before we hear anything about a verdict. Thought it might be a nice way to pass a little time.
First, the members of Pat Fitzgerald's investigative and trial team. Because I have gotten so many questions about my impressions of all of them when I've been in DC, I thought I'd bring a little glimpse to all of you today through a vignette article from Legal Times reporter Sarah Kelly from way back in October of 2005. From the article:
One convinced a jury to convict a deadly crew of drug dealers that plagued Washington, D.C., for more than a decade. Another helped nab two of the highest-profile spies in recent years. There's the lawyer who took on a Chicago mobster and won, and the young prosecutor who helped disband a ring of exotic animal poachers in the Midwest.
Then there's Patrick Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor from Chicago who has led these and a handful of other attorneys in a massive investigation to determine who in the White House leaked the name of a covert Central Intelligence Agency operative to the media….
Peter Zeidenberg, a Justice Department prosecutor with the public integrity section, brings to Fitzgerald's team experience in high-profile cases involving public officials. Despite a recent failure to convict David Rosen — the former campaign finance director for Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., who is accused of lying to the Federal Election Commission — his résumé includes a number of wins in other public corruption cases.
Locally, he's widely known as the prosecutor who, in the longest criminal trial in D.C. history, brought down the infamous K Street Crew, a gang of marijuana dealers known for killing witnesses.
Also from Washington is Kathleen Kedian, a relative newcomer to the counterespionage section. Her role in the case involves handling much of the grunt work, like sorting through stacks of documents, says the former DOJ official….
When reporters Miller and Cooper appealed a judge's ruling ordering them to testify earlier this year, Fitzgerald called on two key Chicago attorneys to litigate the matter: James Fleissner, now a professor at Mercer University Law School in Georgia, and Debra Bonamici, an appellate specialist in the Chicago U.S. Attorney's Office….
Bonamici made a name for herself in Chicago after convicting members of an exotic animal ring, in which nearly two dozen tigers and leopards were killed for their skins.
These are the attorneys that I have seen in court, at the government's table — but there are a whole host of other attorneys who worked on the investigative team, who worked before the federal grand jury and hand-in-hand with the FBI agents investigating the case, who also deserve both a mention and some thanks: John Dion, Ron Roos, Bruce Swartz, Gary Shapiro, David Glockner, and James Fleissner, among many, many others — those are just the names mentioned in the article. (Not to mention "Gene," whose last name I never did catch, who wrangled all of the government witnesses at the courthouse with a smooth and effective demeanor, and who apparently knew Fitzgerald from "the old days.") Along with those are two big names that deserve much thanks: Jack Eckenrode, retired from the FBI but the man who led the investigation through most of the hard slogging, and James Comey, who pushed the investigation forward.

(From left to right: Randall Samborn, the government team's spokesperson; Kathleen Kedian and Patrick Fitzgerald.)
(Debra Bonamici — who is far cuter in person than this photograph would make you think, but it is the only picture that I could find of her for you guys after several hours of searching.)
To all of them, I say thank you — it is not often in the study of political theater that you find a group of individuals who just do their jobs, take them seriously, don't leak to aggrandize their status within the Beltway crowd and the media circuit, and who simply dedicate themselves to the pursuit of justice and the rule of law. Just…thanks. (And to anyone that I might have missed, my humble apologies. But thanks to you as well. Truly. Especially to the family and friends of all those folks who have worked on this case — having pulled the 16 plus hour days during trial prep for much smaller cases than this one, I know the sacrifices this investigation and trial must have entailed. So thank you.)
Additionally, there was an interesting profile of the jury's day from the AP (via Time magazine) that I wanted to bring to everyone's attention (H/T to pai for the link.).
The jury is wearing jeans! The scuttlebutt raced like a battlefront bulletin Tuesday through the five dozen prosecutors, defense attorneys and reporters camped in the federal courthouse awaiting a verdict in the perjury trial of ex-White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby.
Most trial lawyers and reporters believe jurors dress up when they expect to reach a verdict and don casual clothes if they've still got lots of work to do….
Each morning, the jurors arrive by 9 a.m. in a U.S. marshals' van. Coffee, juice and pastries await them. Lunch is brought to them from the courthouse cafeteria, but no one knows whether they work while they eat. Cookies and beverages are wheeled in around 3 p.m., and they go home at 5 p.m.
There are lots of fun little tidbits in the AP article, so please take a little time and give it a read. It's a little glimpse into life in the Prettyman courthouse these days, where everyone is doing the same thing — waiting for a verdict.
Related posts:
- Executive Privilege and the Cheney Interview Documents
- Mikva Spins Fitzgerald’s Spinning Lincoln Right Back
- Senator Bond, Whatever Happened to “Show Me”?
- Breuer’s Claims about Future Investigations Undermined by Cheney’s Claims about the Past
- Fort Hood Shooter’s Trial May Shed Light on NSA/CIA Domestic Spying





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this can’t be right. me? first poster?
Fitz!
Congratulations, dmg!
And we wait…
-S
Fitz-uh-licious
Fitz!
Fitz!
Fitz’s Crew!
well, heck, calling in sick is worth SOMETHING, it seems.
Team Fitz!
Plame House Team!
(and congrats on the zed, dmg)
dmg @
1
Collective hallucination. Relax, it’ll go away. ;)
Fitz pointed out, when he tried to argue to add the alternate, that the jury had only been out for two days. Emphasis on “only.” He’s obviously not expecting them to crank out a quick verdict. I gotta think that at this point, with no sense of jury impasse as of yet, that Libby’s schwitzing in his herringbone suit.
yknow, up until the disgrace that was the starr bunch, it was my experience that special prosecutors/independent counsels were extraordinarily dedicated to upholding the law.
the fitz crew has really restored my faith in what happens when there’s a new sheriff brought into town.
three cheers for these intrepid public servants!
Hey gang- Fitz!!!!!
I would like to make a suggestion for future discussion…regarding the term “traitor gate”
this word is counter productive to our cause
the wing nuts are uninformed, have fallen for corporate propaganda, and think Watergate was not something to be ashamed of, they actually applaud Nixon for “taking it to the democrats”
this exposure of our national security is far more important and far more damaging then Watergate and for the future, other actions should be compared against this event, not this event compared against Watergate
therefore, for the future, instead of “traitor gate”, I would like to start using terms like
“act of treason against America”
“people who think nothing of committing treason”
“traitors to our land like Libby and Cheney”
terms that will be a blow to the solar plexus of the wing nuts that try to repeat the mindless excuses from their puppeteers
Thanks so much for writing this Christy. It obviously took a lot of time to assemble the info. You answered a lot of my questions about the able public servants you and the crew have generously allowed us to read about.
There aren’t words to adequately thank all at FDL who have made knowledge/coverage of the Libby case available to the world. This has been an amazing lesson in civics/citizenship.
Let’s hope the jurors really heard Fitz’s message about the truth and sense what’s at stake for all of us.
Froomkin’s chatz is live now.
i never realized how impatience is a virtue too!
From AP, quoted by CHS @ Top:
I suspect this is just the kind of tea-leaf reading people engage in when they’re really bored and awaiting a decision, rather than something they actually believe.
Christy, or any other lawyers, could you comment or clarify?
What a fun post!
Somewhere in the comments over the past few days I read (or maybe it was somewhere else!) I read that Ziedenberg was involved in bringing down Abramoff and Scanlon. Anyone know if this true?
Re: Fitz’s politics. From WashPo:
Don’t forget to dot your “i’s” and cross your “7’s,” pups.
Ed*ard Teller @ 21
707dmg @ 11
Ken Starr independent?
BTW in the end he did get his cushy pay-off job at Scaife’s Pepperdine U. (not the the MSM noticed.)
perris @ 22
strike tags in case you’re wodering, pretty handy those strike tags
JGabriel at 18 — Pretty much. WHen you are outside the jury room and waiting, everything takes on a much bigger importance because you really have NO idea what is going on within the deliberations themselves. I’ve learned to never try and second-guess the jury, because you are almost always wrong or off. I’ve learned the best way to figure out what they are doing is to just wait and let them tell you themselves with their verdict, as hard as it is to wait.
What i want to know is, and it’s totally irrelevant to their wonderful resumes, is this:
* Did Fitz ever get a cat?
I had read that he had been turned down for one because he works such long hours!
I hope the jury comes back soon, I’m working on a Deep Vein Thrombosis here. Man, am I stiff!
Woodhall at 19 — Zeidenberg was the lead prosecutor in the Safavian trial, among others.
Wow! What a team. They will be in history books someday. Thanks for this info, Christy.
One affectation I managed to outgrow was making little circles over my i’s & j’s
I would wear Levi’s if I was going to throw a traitor in jail, but that’s just me. Are they all wearing jeans? The women too? Is it like the red t-shirts? I keep thinking this jury is trying to do the right thing and convict but they want to make it iron clad. I am willing to bet they will be done before the week-end. But today would sure be nice. This is just the first step in a long difficult job.
How tall is Fitzgerald, anyway? He looks like a giant next to Zeidenberg and the two women.
Christy,
Excellent post– as usual!
perris @ 22
7 and 7 Is is a song from the band Love, written by Arthur Lee and recorded on June 20,1966 at Sunset Sound Recorders in Hollywood. It was produced by Jac Holzman and engineered by Bruce Botnick. The song took a great deal of work to record with Love’s drummer, Alban “Snoopy” Pfisterer, being unable to cope with its frantic demands after 30 takes or so and being replaced on drums by Arthur Lee himself. Described as “proto-punk”, it was later covered by the Ramones, Alice Cooper, Rush and others, as well as being re-recorded by Lee himself.
perris @ 22
LOL
Kate P @ 32
6′ 2″
Re- those last two notes. I get the strong impression they know Irving lied. They just weren’t sure about the charge.
Guilty all counts – pervert Irv freed on appeal. Publicity firestorm – Cheney retires. Just my 2c
FWIW, Agent Bond is pretty tall herself. I think the camera angle makes the top photo a little wonky with the heights. (Then again, I’m short and everyone looks tall to me.)
Have we ever discussed which DC neighborhood Plame House is in? I’m imagining Red Line, perhaps a tidy little place in Cleveland Park, or Tenleytown. A place with a nice bakery nearby, and a coffeeshop.
Obviously wouldn’t want to be too specific.
so who here puts a diagonal line through their zero to distinguish it from an O?
Everyone keeps saying 6′2″, but with all these pix I’m starting to wonder if he’s 7′3″.
Everyone else on the prosecution team must be midges.
From WashPo:
raven @ 34
I love Love
Biodun @ 20
Good to know Fitz is only human. Actually, the voter registration cards in New York State list “Independence” as a party – it’s the shell of the Perot Reform Party, hijacked by the crazy Fulani followers. The choice of name is deliberate; it’s intended to capitalize on voter confusion. I registered thousands of voters in the state, including many on university campuses, and you wouldn’t believe how many check it off, making the same error.
An understandable mistake, but it still amuses me that Fitz once listed himself as a Fulani-ite :)
are we there yet?
punaise @
40
I used to– dunno why I started or stopped!
professor rat @ 36
i’m not saying this isn’t a pleasant forecast, but cheney will never retire.
under any circumstances.
(snark)
There may be a preponderance of PhD’s on the jury, but our esteemed foreperson can’t spell:
“clairification” (in both notes)!
Jury lunch goes from 12:30pm to 1:30p, right? (fidget fidget, shift, tap, tap, tap)
Biodun @ 42
That’s a lot of man.
:D
OT-
Someone said yesterday that they were going to see Gen. Clark last night. Anyone know who that was?
dmg @ 47
Yeah, no kidding. And if you think the neocon shadow government will go into retirement if a Dem gets elected in ‘08, think again.
Christy Hardin Smith @
28
And Z. won. Saf convicted on 4 of 5 counts. Jury deliberated for 6 days. Anything sound familiar?
urban pirate @ 45
20 more minutes.
perris @ 14
nice idea, but nicknames have to roll off the tongue and be easy to remember. Like upperdownvote or timeofwar or warronterra. Anything that’s hard to say and remember just won’t gain traction. Both George Carlin and Frank Luntz harp on this.
btw, the new Repub talky word is “micromanage.”
Elliott @ 42
I got to see them a couple of years back in LA and I was stunned how good they were. Most of his band was “Lemonade Baby” but Johnny Echols did play with them. The DVD is with this band but it’s really worth a look.
furioso @ 48
what! no spell-check in the jury room?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 25
Thanks, Christy. Maybe that’ll help cut down on the server load a li’l bit by reducing specualation wrt the jury’s attire. ;)
raven @ 34
And their version of Burt Bacharach’s (!) “My Little Red Book” is punk’s rosetta stone.
That’s my first, and last, thoughtless post of the day. Fits!
urban pirate @ 45
no, and we’re so bored/anxious that now we’re trying to distract ourselves with comments on fitz’s height, his apartment and other nonsensical items…
i’m not complaining, mind you…. just so long as we don’t devolve to discussions of anna nicole.
95 @ 44:
When I lived in Brooklyn in the 1980s, I met Lenore Fulani when she was campaigning for something or herself. She’s as zany as a bat…
angie – epu’d an answer to you back in part two – thanks.
raven @ 56
cool
thanks for the info about the DVD, I still haven’t converted my LPs to CDs.
The foreperson crossed the second “7″, but not the first one when she wrote “2/27/07″.
I think she’s a flip-flopper.
The downswing on the “m” in “4:30 p.m.” suggests to me she’s female.
kirk murphy @ 8
selise @ 60
As bored and nervous as we all are, isn’t this way better than watching some major event unfold over hours on the MSM? There we can only listen to talking heads blather away to kill time. Here it is more like a giant party where eveyone gets to play. A great improvement in my book!
Lord have mercy, baby’s got her blue jeans on!
OK, my prediction is tomorrow there are verdicts.
if not tomorrow then the judge asks for submissions from the lawyers to give the further instruction
Thanks FDL, you guys rock! Watching this trial unfold has been interesting to say the least!
Bet you didn’t catch this story:
BREAKING:
Cheney invites Fitzgerald on hunting trip
Last installment from WasPo on Fitz:
My bold. Oh oh. Not a very apt metaphor there, Fitz.
punaise @
40
Just us nerds. My habit is left over from programming a CDC 6400 in the late sixties. Who remembers Hollerith cards?
perris @ 67
unless in the latest voider the judge asked if they are making progress and he was answered in the affirmative.
ReneND @ 51
Amy Goodman was going to interview him last night.
I hope its on her show this afternoon.
Monsieur Le Prof @ 68
now that’s a good one…great first post
All of the information on how juries deliberate, the backgrounds of the prosecution lawyers, the courtroom scene, and all the speculation are fascinating to me. Thanks so much for such wonderful coverage.
As for language about the case, I never use the word “outed,” I always say, “betrayed Plame’s identity..”
As for speculation, anyone care to speculate about why Wells was eager for Walton not to ask for clarification and for Walton to go ahead and send back the answer he and Fitz apparently agreed on?
I just want to clarify that when I said “old europe” wrt to the crossed 7, it as a lame attempt at snark (Rummy called France * Germany Old Europe when they refused to join the coalition which was later refered to that of the “willing”). I know that it is the way one writes a
7in modern Europe in order to differentiate it from a one which looks much like a 7 without a cross!Eureka Springs, AR @ 71
Thanks. There was someone from FDL also, just can’t remember who.
tommy yum @ 59
OMG! Bacharach wrote that?!
I just got out my little red book…
From the comments secion at just one minute:
petedownunder @ 70
Waves hand. One of my greatest fears is I’ll be buried alive, 12 edge down. :smile:
Monsieur Le Prof @ 68:
707!
La Rochelle, France. I like the place-name, and the town itself.
Kate P @ 32
I say he’s 10 feet tall – a giant among men!
perris @
14
3 sylables is gonna beat 9, 12 or 10 syllables anyday.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 51
no, it’ll be like the clinton years — pnac, anybody?
but this time the nation will know what it’s up against.
Questions.. “When:) found guity/sentenced, can Libby be ordered to start serving sentence whilst waiting on Appeals?”
And, “Wouldn’t that make a deal look really really good to Mr Scooter?”
Yeah!!!!
tommy yum @
59
I’ll stop too but MLRB was first done by Manfred Mann and was in “What’s New Pussycat”!
For all the folks (like me) who don’t know…
Does the jury have a written copy of the testimony that they can refer to, or do they simply have to remember what they heard/saw?
Biodun @ 69
Ah, he swims like I do (like a rock)!
If the one count is the only one left to decide, maybe they can finish today.
Elliott @ 76
…the minute that you said, goodbye ; )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hLP8_F2fkw
OldDave @ 79
My biggest fear was dropping the box of the damn things and having to get them back in order. A fear that came true more than once. I’m still in therapy….
Sparkles the Iguana @ 78
That is stomach-turning.
I so want this jury back. If they wait until Monday, it will make me mad.
OK Everybody just stop it with the clothes analysis as to whether they will reach a verdict. This is absolutely in left field IMO and I’ve been around more juries than I care to remember. They have dressed more comfortably in order to be more comfortable deliberating. They will reach a verdict whenever they are done, irrespective of their attire.
Biodun @ 80
Me too. I liked it so much I chose to stay!
Fitz is a lean mean fighting machine.
ReneND @ 76:
I remember litigatormom saying her 16-year-old son was going to be there. She was talking to another FDLer who was also going. Can’t recall the handle. Alas, I’m not the Omniscient One. That’s EPU.
Elliott @
23
Starr was not independent. He was Bush 41’s solicitor general. And Bush 41 lost the 1992 election to Clinton. That’s not independent. That’s adversarial.
And Starr had never prosecuted anything in his life.
Apparently the three judge panel who appointed Starr didn’t understand the definition of either “independent” or “prosecutor”.
ccmask @ 94
best things about Fitz:
1. White Sox fan
2. Maintains Chicago accent
Some other recent headlines, if anyone wants to pass the time:
Bush: ‘Every fallen soldier’s family will get a new SUV’
House Republicans propose mandatory witch-burning amendment
Evangelist tired of insisting he’s not gay
NSA to release ‘Best of 2006′ intercepted communications
How am I supposed to get any work done with this damn jury taking so freakin long?!?!?
Thank god for FDL or I would go insane.
dmg @ 83
What makes you think they’re paying enough attention to know what PNAC is?
cosmo @ 99
you know, if the president simply said “it was cheney I think we should impeach him”, then we could all get back to work
this is REALLY bad for the economy
Biodun @ 94
OK. Thanks. I’ll try in the evening comments.
I should have made a note of it.
bobbles @ 74
Two theories spring to mind:
1) Like many of us, Wells probably saw the question as a sign that the jury wasn’t sure if it shoudl convict on count three. He’d much rather send a reply specifying the somewhat limited grounds established by the count than risk having the jury say ‘nevermind’ and convict on broader (and incorrect) grounds.
2) He’s tired, and he’s bored. He and Fitz agreed on the note’s likely meaning and on a response – he wanted to move ahead, rather than request clarification, get a new note, negotiate a new response, and send it back.
Monsieur Le Prof – It is a sign of our times that I thought that first headline about SUVs was real for a moment. I was about to freak out. Thanks for the laugh!
Jwoods @ 97
He does not have a Chicago accent. I assure you!
Jwoods @ 97
But he ain’t from Chicago?
Sparkles the Iguana @ 105
Thanks, he wouldn’t know an Italian Beef if it bit him!
Sparkles the Iguana @ 105
He did at the press conference when he announce Libby’s indictment.
He sounded like Rich Daley’s older smarter brother.
He’s from Brooklyn.
Jwoods, you are on crack. Have you ever heard a Chicago accent?
Cozumel @ 88
cool!
that’ll help ward off the Deep Vein Thrombosis I’m working on waiting for this verdict.
Mary @
62
thank you Mary.
Fitz is from Brooklyn. Irish Catholic family.
OT…. from the Army Times
Walter Reed patients told to keep quiet
By Kelly Kennedy – Staff writer
Soldiers at Walter Reed Army Medical Center’s Medical Hold Unit say they have been told they will wake up at 6 a.m. every morning and have their rooms ready for inspection at 7 a.m., and that they must not speak to the media.
“Some soldiers believe this is a form of punishment for the trouble soldiers caused by talking to the media,” one Medical Hold Unit soldier said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
It is unusual for soldiers to have daily inspections after Basic Training.
Soldiers say their sergeant major gathered troops at 6 p.m. Monday to tell them they must follow their chain of command when asking for help with their medical evaluation paperwork, or when they spot mold, mice or other problems in their quarters.
If this is retaliation for complaints about inhumane conditions at the hospital, the “officer” responsible should be “decommissioned” without his/her pension!
…take a look at spiderpaws @241 in the last thread
Sparkles the Iguana @ 110
Daaah Beaaaaarsssss.
Ed*ard Teller @
21
I prefer to cross my Bs and dot my Us.
ber.Biodun @ 113
Yes, and it’s definitely a Brooklyn accent.
John Forde @ 95
the three-judge panel included, iirc, laurence silberman, a hard-core right-wing federalist-society menace 2 society.
Fitz is from Brooklyn. He went to Regis High School on Madison Avenue in Manhattan. Regis takes only the intellectual cream. All “A” students, taught by Jesuits. It’s a serious academic environmnent where part of the instruction involves the commitment to the good of society. Students are all financed by scholarships. Looks like they taught him well in those formative years.
Folks, I have an issue that I brought up in a disjointed post yesterday. There is a plan for a big anti-war demonstration in DC on March 17 and there are a lot of people who are being told that it is going to start at the Vietnam Memorial. I have a great friend in DC, wounded Khe Sahn Marine who stands with Code Pink, and he just wrote me that he is getting this word as well. The march organizers on their website are emphasizing that the demonstration is going to start at the Constitution Gardens but I fear this is not being heard. A check of the Rolling Thunder site shows a rallying cry for Nam Vets to come and “protect the Wall”. I am really concerned that this is going to lead to some bad shit. There are some on both sides that would like to see things escalate.
petedownunder @ 70
I do – (my “first” was a CDC 6600 at Univ. of Washington). Also, when writing code on coding sheets, then sending them to the keypunchers, you had to distinguish letter O from number 0. I had a little trouble remembering which got the slash – I just remembered that COBOL didn’t have slashes.
(A terrible first post of mine, on the FDL site. The waiting finally got to me)
bmaz @ 92
We really shouldn’t lose our sense of humor, should we?
Everybody is bored and impatient and bringing a little bit of levity to the exercise of trying to predict what’s going on and when we’ll hear something from the jury.
Sheeesh
JF @ 99
it’ll go under a new name…but it’ll include the same cast of felons.
Boudica @
120
And he has an encyclopedic knowledge of Irish tunes, IIRC.
randiego @ 39
Definately would have to be near a bakery. Where else would Kobe get his pumpkin muffins?
PSA – Tornado warning issued for eastern Broward county FLA.
It is unusual if they are *all* wearing jeans. Last time they did something in unison was a special day. Could it signify dress-down Friday as in the end of the workweek?
The servers must have turbo chargers on them.
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punaise @
40
I put the diagonal line in the zero about half of the time. Probably put a dash through my sevens every three out of four times.
btw . . . Fitz!
DAB@123 – I actually meant that very good naturedly (if that is a word). Admit it may not have read that way, and for that I apologize. Agree it is fun talk, just didn’t want people thinking it really was some sort of common rule of thumb in courts is all.
Problem with prosecution case is the jury instruction to not speculate on whether Plame was covert or classified and whether a underlying crime was committed.
Fitz argued that the motive for Libby’s actions was that Libby was protecting Chaney. But the jury cannot speculate that Chaney did anything wrong since they are not allowed to speculate about underlying crime concerning Plame. So Fitz has been deprived of motive which would show criminal intent.
Libby may go free on all charges because of this.
value_man_98
This is Pach form Jane’s crazy Apple comp:
Nothing really going on now. Jane is outside on the phone, Macy is still with her lunch conversation, the cameras in the courtroom are showing empty space, and I’m here in the media room trying to look as if I have something to do.
The Nefarious Leslie @ 118
and i’d like to believe he’s a mets fan.
although i have no proof of this.
Welcome to all who are de-cloaking!
petedownunder @ 70
For the non-geeks, here’s a Hollerith Census Machine, the “computer” that brought what would become IBM into the world. For a good long while, computer data was stored on and written to punch cards, using the example set by this early “computer”.
Oh, and here’s a CDC 6600, not quite what’s referenced above, but close.
I put a dash through my zeros, sevens, and the letter “Z”. Compulsively.
From today’s hearings on the nomination of Sam Fox to the Ambassadorship to Belgium:
Sam Fox, may I have $50,000? I’ll use it for good cause. Really!
dmg @ 134
Wasn’t there a post a while back about him talking about the Mets on the elevator?
cricket @ 26
he had a cat. When he had to overseas for a case, he left the cat with some agents to cat sit for him. The agents decided to have alittle fun and took pictures of the cat in peril: like on the Brooklyn Bridge, worse at a Chinese resteraunt.
When he came home, th cat no longer recognized him and would attack him when he entered the aprtment. He found the cat a new home.
Value_Man_98 @ 132-
Isn’t that why they continually referred to Libby’s “state of mind” (as opposed to motive), during the trial?
Jane Hamsher @ 133
Pach!
JGabriel @ 138
My thought exactly. I am a fund raiser for a non-profit and I am definitely thinking about calling this guy.
raven @ 139
i didn’t see it.
but if so, then more than ever fitz is the MAN.
Perris and all;
Its the Lier’s Trial. Accept no substitutes.
OrdinaryVanity @ 137
I forgot, I do the Z thing, too.
I don’t know why tho, even I can’t read what I wrote.
Lemonade Baby = Baby Lemonade
Baby Lemonade is a band in the neo-psychedelic genre formed in Los Angeles. Their 1998 album Exploring Music was produced by Darian Sahanaja of The Wondermints. The band was the group was Love founder Arthur Lee’s backing band prior to his incarceration.
Their name comes from a track off of Syd Barrett’s album Barrett.
America salutes (or SHOULD salute) these great lawyers, agents and all the others who have worked so hard on this case. Saving America is not an easy job…..buy they are doing more than their fair share. And I thank you all for that! Salute!
raven @ 121
Raven: I’m not sure why some Vietnam war vets would feel they have to “protect the wall” for an anti-war march.
United for Peace and Justice has a great website that puts together links of all peace-related events. This is what they have listed for March 17 in DC (the fourth anniversary of our invasion of Iraq), and it says it will start at the constitution gardens.
My guess is that some people may be trying to promote the illusion that a peace march could be actually an anti-soldier march. Despicable.
bdu @ 136..The Germans used IBM punch cards to run their war machine and to kill 6 million Jews. They never failed to pay the equipment fees and buy the punch cards from IBM.
bdu @ 136
Jwoods @ 97
It’s a Brooklyn accent. He’s not from Chicago. He’s from Flatbush
Yeah, I think we got this from Pach, who was in the elevator with him. I can’t confirm the part about the Mets, though.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 110
I’m from Chicago. I live in Chicago now. I know alot of Chicago lawyers.
I don’t do crack either.
I’m not saying he’s from bridgeport, but he sounds an awful lot like attorneys I know.
value_man_98 @
132
I suspect that they got enough information from the CIA briefer’s testimony that they understand the gravity of the outting. Then, Ari blurted out that she was covert- twice! Yes, the judge told them to ignore it but the jury must be wondering why Ari requested immunity for thinking he did something criminal.
I gotta believe that the jury takes its responsibility very seriously and listened carefully and thought hard about what it all means. They know it isn’t just a perjury trial. It’s a very high profile case. There are swarms of journalists and bloggers there every day and some of the most high profile people in both government and the press are intimately involved. It would take a pretty dumb jury to think that this is not part of something much, much bigger, especially with all of the references to Cheney in Fitz’s summation.
Just because he didn’t get to discuss Plame’s status doesn’t mean that Fitz was unable to get the point across: This is a HUGE deal and Libby had multiple reasons to lie.
value_man_98 @ 132
Remember when it seemed like every comment was about jury nullification? I was wondering – could it work in reverse? Could the jury – without really wanting to – have it stuck in the back of their minds that
the onlyone of the main reasons this case exists is b/c Mrs. Wilson was covert? And if so, maybe the jury is trying that much harder to make sure their verdict is based on what they are allowed to consider …Shopgirlove @ 151
Very zen of you ;0)
As are all great people. It’s true. ;-0
Is that Victoria Toensing posing as someone else in Post 132?
I think we are all going a little stir crazy. Perhaps we should all call our congresspeople and complain about something with our excess energy.
Steve @ 150
It’s true, I’m just not sure why it’s relevent to the conversation at hand? I didn’t realize that by explaining how IBM got their start I was endorsing their treasonous business practices 40 years later…
John Casper @ 153
It was Pach. They are both Mets fans.
Well, the jury has finished with lunch and has been back at work for a while. Maybe out of solidarity for the jury we should say what we had for lunch. And what we should be working on ;).
From wiki
Patrick Fitzgerald
cricket @ 26
Somewhere I recall reading that Fitz did have a cat
…and his ailurophile friends staged an intervention for said kitty….
they thought the kitty needed a human who was home more often…..
and found the kitty a new home.
Purrz!
United for Peace and Justice has a great website that puts together links of all peace-related events. This is what they have listed for March 17 in DC (the fourth anniversary of our invasion of Iraq), and it says it will start at the constitution gardens.
My guess is that some people may be trying to promote the illusion that a peace march could be actually an anti-soldier march. Despicable.
I know that and you know that but . . .
JEP @ 159
Why be so suspicious of those who propose a scenario where Libby is not convicted? I hate to burst your bubble, but there IS a chance he could get off. Many of us don’t see it as a very good chance, but it is still instructive to stand back, look at the charges and the information the jury is likely considering, and how they might view the testimony and evidence in relation to the charges.
bdu @ 157
I was trying to say thanks for a memory of playing asteroids at my Dad’s work in 1976 or so. But my comment kept disappearing.
Anyway, thank you for the trip (down memory lane)!
TJ @ 161
But there is so little to complain to them about!
/snark
dmg @
144
Yes, Fitz is a Mets fan.
Also White Sox.
Ok, I’ll start.
I’m in california and it’s only 11, so no lunch yet.
I’m currently not working, so what I should be working on is… getting some work.
LandOfTheFree @
150
Daily muster at the Walter Reed post, in my guestimate, is actually a body count to assure that all soldier patients are alive and accounted for. If they were in the hospital, as they all should be, the equivalent is to do midnight rounds – called the midnight census. Because they already have an incident of a soldier patient commiting suicide and another one who died – from can’t remember what – medication reaction? head injury? – and who wasn’t discovered for a matter of days, this is a stop gap measure to assure that no one is lost for longer than a day.
The problem is that until Iraq, the military treated the acutely wounded/ill in hospitals and then gave them timely and early medical discharges from the military to the VA system or civilian healthcare. Now the military doesn’t discharge them from active duty, it has limited hospital beds, uses aggressive utilization management to discharge patients at the first possible moment from the hospital(but not from the military – very important to distinguish these two types of discharges), but it has no large scale inpatient rehabilitation care and facilities. Ergo, these still seriously wounded/ill soldier patients are made outpatients instead of inpatient in rehabilitation. They receive no nursing care as outpatients, where as inpatients, they would receive round the clock professional nursing care and supervision. Their rehab therapy would be coordinated by nurses (case management). As outpatients, they are left to fend for themselves – when least able to do so. I blogged about this ad nauseum over the past week, and I sent an operational plan of correction (it’s on my blog) to SecDef Gates’ email address to forward to the investigative committee. Received an auto generated confirmation of receipt, but nothing else.
For those of you that are bored. Froomkin has an excellent column today slamming his former boss John Harris and Politico.com. His chat is also excellent and has few thoughts about the Plame case ….
Chat
Column
raven @ 167
Personally, I wish Fonda and Sheehan would stay home so that the MSM focuses on the whole point of the march.
Sesame chicken.
W
LandOfTheFree @ 168
Part snark, part healthy paranoia…
Manimal @ 164:
I had tea for lunch and should be working on cleaning the basement. I am so far behind, lol.
value_man_98 at 10:52 am
I suggest you go back and read Fitz’s closing. Since the defense brought
Deadeye, Shooter, Cheney up Fitz did too. He also argued motive. If you need a link, I’ll be happy to provide it.Sparkles the Iguana @ 176
Sorry, my fingers went kind of Tourette’s there. We could discuss last night’s Frontline, on which Nicholas Lemann, dean of Columbia Journalism School, opined that blogs have the journalistic significance of church newsletters.
John Casper @ 165
I hope the verdict comes soon so Fitz can return to chicago…
And did anyone hear me even suggest our Vicky T emulator should be administrated off the blog?
I’m not tryiing to remove the post from poublication, but I can still suggest that we might be skeptical, can’t I?
dorothy @ 143
I’d rather go to Paul Bremer and ask for some of that Iraqi cash. They didn’t even keep a notebook of who got what. Not even a freakin’ Post-it.
Elliott @ 176
Acutally, Jane is not listed on the website
March
John Casper @ 154
well pach is among the flushing faithful, so if he said it, i’m gonna run with it.
Elliott @ 176
I wish the rally’s attendees were more organized, made a greater effort to have a unified, singular message — like the end of the movie, “V”.
Imagine Washington DC wallpapered with folks dressed in black, silently marching arm-in-arm, wearing Guy Fawkes masks…
OK, I proposed this and didn’t answer myself.
I’m on the east coast, same time zone as the jury, and my lunch consisted of a melted cheese tortilla wrap, a snickers bar, and a sprite.
I am supposed to be formatting a rather long academic publication, but am running into some word/publisher snags.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 181
did Lemann miss the last election?
Evil Parallel Universe @ 159
yes, it’s so.
bdu @ 162..my comment was not directed at you..but only, I had hoped, a valued added piece of information about Big Blue during trial intermission.
If Fitz wasn’t afraid to ride the subway back and forth from Flatbush to Manhattan during the years he was in high school, he ain’t afraid of nuthin!! Those were not the best years for NY in general, Flatbush was a neighborhood in steep decline. This guy must have some stories to tell. Everyone who could moved out of Flatbush in the ’70’s.
dmg @ 185
Some kind of group that congregates in men’s rooms?
“Personally, I wish Fonda and Sheehan would stay home so that the MSM focuses on the whole point of the march.”
If Cindy Sheehan doesn’t represent the whole point of the march, I can’t imagine who does.
Jwoods @ 182
The Conrad Black trial is due to start March 14, so I’m sure Fitz is hoping for a verdict before then.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk…..91,00.html
In Brooklyn, Fitzgerald once had a cat that was so neglected by its master’s work habits his colleagues kidnapped it. They sent him photos of his pet in various New York locations: dangled off the Brooklyn Bridge, with a toy gun to its head, outside a dodgy-looking Chinese restaurant. Fitzgerald got the message: you look after the cat, or we do. He sent it to live on a farm.
The Nefarious Leslie @ 171
this is TOTALLY acceptable.
Raven @166: just because a group sends out a press release saying they need to “protect the monument” from a peace march doesn’t mean that there will be violence. It means that someone is starting a smear campaign to make it look like peace protestors are violent anti-soldier people.
There haven’t been any violent siutations threatening the monument in the past during the past three anniversaries of this war, nor during any of the other dozens (maybe hundreds?) of war protests in DC since the war began.
IMO, the people making this “call to protect the monument” are trying to invent a scenario with three goals in mind:
1. Label the peace protesters as likely violent, the type of people who would destroy the Vietnam Memorial wall, and
2. Scare some Vietnam war vets who might want to attend the peace march into instead “protecting the wall”, which both lowers the attendance levels at the peace march & raises the visual appearance of a reason to fear the Wall might be destroyed or desecrated, and
3. Make some peace marchers think twice about attending the march, as they may be frightened of it turning into a dangerous, violent event.
It’s a despicable fear campaign. I wouldn’t waste any brain cells worrying about it, nor would I spread concern about it because it would just be feeding the despicable rumor.
Shopgirlove @ 168
It’s before my time (born in 79), but I had an early start on all this stuff… and inherited a lot of old hardware to boot. That said, I currently have asteroids for my old 2600, and it’s hooked up to a 42″ plasma, now THAT’s gaming!
Anyhow, anyone into this old hardware owes it to themselves to get out to the Computer History Museum at least once… which is where I took the photos I linked to.
Elliott @ 188
Well technically, he made the church newsletters comparison in a New Yorker article which probably came out before the election. However, he did repeat that assertion on Frontline without modification.
Boudica @ 192
um, I didn’t. my mom still lives in the house i was raised in.
professor rat @ 37
Hell would most definitely have to freeze before that treasonous bastard would retire.
Rayne @ 187
In the summer of 68 my unit was preparing to ship to Vietnam from Ft Lewis and in Seattle there were folks handing out flyer telling people not to go to Chicago because there was going to be a shit storm. I may be totally off base here but it doesn’t take much to get things started. Here’s a note from my pal
My guess is that all will be ok. There is enough room between constitution gardens and the wall to avoid one another. However, code pink and Veterans for peace have gathered in fron of walter reed in support of the troops for about a year now. 6 months into it Gathering of Eagle set up across the street and have been ugly and hatefull everytime I`ve been there, On more than one occassion they have had rolling thunder on site and things got ugly enough that the police had to come. And you know it had to be those code pink hardasses who were getting tough!
Manimal @ 188
What kind of Word/Publisher problems?
It would be nice to see a person of the man who protects all the attorneys mentioned above. This man keeps the sharks away with these few words ” NO COMMENT “. If possible please get a picture of Randall Samborn spokeman for Patrick J. Fitzgerald.
Rayne @ 187
What a picture that would be!
I went to that movie but was more interested then in making out, so I’ll have to watch it again.
petedownunder @
70
I slash my zeroes (programming AN/FSQ-7 computers in 1956 for our defense system–which system included the Bomarc missile that never worked and input from the Ground Observer Corps) and I certainly remember Hollerith cards. I ended my nerdness in 1966.
dmg@201, Am I incorrect? As I remember it much of Flatbush was overtaken by drugs during those years.
annx @ 175
Politico has totally lost its cred over the Gerstein hit piece. Assuming it ever had any. He was doing his job. They weren’t.
A scenario: having finished their court-provided lunch, the jury is now mopping up. Verdict will be in by 4, and they will go home to do their own cooking and dishes.
Just sayin’….
It would be nice to see a picture of the man who protects all the attorneys mentioned above. This man keeps the sharks away with these few words ” NO COMMENT “. If possible please get a picture of Randall Samborn spokeman for Patrick J. Fitzgerald
Elliott @ 206
Rent it and watch it without the date. You need to, it’s a contemporary cultural statement of no small significance.
Boudica @ 192
That’s right. My Grandma lived on Flatbush Avenue. She moved to Milford, CT after marriage. Her sister lived there her whole life and died there and old lady in 1979.
She had said it was getting seedy.
IIRC, Flushing Meadows is the home of Shea Stadium in Queens.
Hi all,
This is regarding the image that Christy posted this am of the small child being held by the soldier. Does anyone remember a similar image posted sometime ago ? A standing soldier carrying a small child, a tragic image. I’ve been searching for it, slogged through some of the Iraq posts – but there’re almost 500 of them. I searched using soldier. Anyone remember when around that was or a better method of searching than I’m using.
I’d appreciate some help. Gracias.
Jackie @ 210
There’s one in the main post above, second photo down.
LandOfTheFree @ 198
LandOfTheFree @ 198
OK, I respect your point. It’s just that I’ve been in demonstrations where really well intentioned people got hurt. I’m not sure disussing this here is inflamatory but that is not my intention.
new thread
I want Randall Samborn’s job. (He is pictured above, btw Jackie.)
Boudica @ 192
I was a kid in B’klyn in the early 70’s. Anyway, I don’t remember Flatbush being a *particularly* bad neighborhood. It certainly wasn’t wonderful, but Bed Stuy and East New York were much worse.
ReneND @ 51
Jayackroyd was going to see him, and my daughter went too! She came back home last night totally animated and excited. “Mom, he HAS to run for president, he’s so smart, he understands defense strategy and he believes in democracy, did you know he was a Rhodes scholar, he asked a question about Rwanda and I knew the answer and he was impressed, Mom would you vote for him?!?!”
She’s become quite the little political junkie, and she’s been vaguely interested in Obama, but she came back last night totally blown away. Apparently Clark spent part of the evening in a small group with the teens, and then they joined a larger group with “grown-ups.” She was so excited that she got me excited, and I wasn’t there and he’s still not running!
JEP @ 194
Oh, I don’t disagree with that.
But the MSM can’t see past her. I want the march to end the war.
Fits is not from Chicago. Ex Senator Peter Fitzgerald (a rupublican who Obama replaced in 2004) chose Patrick Fitzgerald as the US prosecutor for Chicago after Bush won the presidency in 2000. There was a lot of upset pols in Chicago when he was chosen since he was from out of state.
Ex Sen Fitzgerald was a maverick republican who detested the Illinois republican party. He wanted a prosecutor who would be independent of the Illinois political scene. It was a shock when one of the first major prosecution that Fitz did was to indict IL Gov George Ryan, a republican, especially since the indictment was close to the gov election. Eventhough Ryan chose not to run, the indictment ruined the Republicans’ chances and took a beating statewide.
Fitz goes after republicans and democrats. A rarity. I was shocked when Bush allowed him to investigate the Wilson case. I guess it is true Bush does not read.
Please tell me we didn’t kill the server
Sparkles the Iguana @ 181
Yeah, like the “church newsletter” Martin Luther nailed to the front door.
Rayne,
I am copying text from a several word docs into one publisher doc. When I try to cut and paste a from a coupld of the word docs, I get a emssage saying that an error occurred while attempting to import the text. Then after clicking “ok” three times (I get the message three times), I get a message saying that Word is running low on memory and that I should save and shut down other programs, etc.
I have no idea why I’m having this problem with some files. The files were created by me and sent out for others to make changes to. I don’t know if some of the people who made changes have old copies of Word and if that is causing the problem or what.
If you have any ideas or solutions, I’ll be ever so grateful.
Boudica @ 208
you’re right that it was a bad time — though i don’t associate it so much with drugs as crime and urban decay generally. (but maybe that’s because the crack epidemic of the late 80’s, especially in manhattan and queens, blew away absolutely anything that had come before.)
not everybody left, is all i meant to say. and the renewal that has gone on throughout brooklyn, not to mention manhattan, since that time has really made me realize that the city is, in its way, eternal.
JGabriel – I agree. Flatbush declined but not nearly as bad as Bed-Stuy/East NY/Brownsvile – where one set of my grandparents lived.
“I ended my nerdness in 1966.”
I thought nerdism was like a permanent virus, you never lose it no matter how rarely you use it…
TeddySanFran @ 223
Zing!!!
Maybe the jury is taking its cue from the way Fitzgerald’s team presented the prosecution’s. It was, I gather, methodical. Going step by step, link by link takes time, especially when there is smoke to clear away. I wonder if the jury would take a different approach if it knew that Bush would pardon Libby. Of course no one knows if Bush would pardon Libby. If there is a conviction – and I hope there will be – my guess is there will be an appeal and a pardon. GWB is loyal. Libby has been loyal. GWB loyalty Libby loyalty = pardon, if necessary.
Evil Parallel Universe @ 227
i’m with you guys on this.
my dad used to work in bed-stuy, and i would fear for him.
now THAT was gnarly.
Slashing zero’s
Most radio/telegraphists and engineers (e.g. me) to distinguish between O and 0
Also slashed 7’s and Z’s – the 7 to stop confusion with a 1 and the Z with a 2.
Rayne @ 211
thanks, I will!
JEP @ 228
Stand corrected–maybe went into remission, & definitely
not up-to-date.
inmymind’s eye @ 214
It reminded me of the photo of the rescuer holding the child after the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.
Manimal @ 225
I used to get that error msg a lot on my 2002 computer at home. Then I stopped getting it, but I don’t know why. Haven’t had the problem since.
petedownunder @
70
I do. I once saw an extremely annoying person drop an unsequenced deck in a mud puddle. Bliss.
TeddySanFran @ 224
amen
Raven: I’m not sure why some Vietnam war vets would feel they have to “protect the wall” for an anti-war march.
Because of the spray painting of the Capitol Steps at the last anti-war march. I’m making no judgement pro or con, but that’s one of the reasons I have seen.
LandOfTheFree @
168
if it is Vicky T, she doesn’t know how to spell Cheney …..
JeffinBerlin @ 232
Yup–crossed Zs, too, but not 7s.
If there is a conviction – and I hope there will be – my guess is there will be an appeal and a pardon. GWB is loyal. Libby has been loyal. GWB loyalty Libby loyalty = pardon, if necessary.
I question the GWB loyalty thing. Loyalty, in Bush’s world, is one-way. I wouldn’t be surprised if he cut Libby loose.
perris @
14
Yes, I agree.
JEP – I’m just suggesting that you consider the fact that just because someone offers a scenario where Libby could be found “not guilty”, it doesn’t mean the poster is a Libby-loving troll promoting the Defense. I say this directly to you because you’ve done it many times, including to me, with no snark indicated whatsoever.
First of all, some of us feel that alternative analysis is instructive. Some people might not want to be blinded by our bias that Libby is guilty. Some may want the added perspective of viewing the case from a more neutral point of view. It isn’t fair to imply nor assume someone who presents an alternative viewpoint to “he’s so obviously guilty” means ill will.
Second, and most importantly, it isn’t very friendly to new readers & contributors, IMO.
laurie9 @ 235
me too
Oh, on the jury foreperson – from the handwriting, it’s more likely to be male than female.
Manimal @ 225
Publisher is a resource pig, if you ask me. Save your work so far and reboot, for starters. Then open only the applications that are essential to what you need to finish (sorry, means browser off for a bit, too). I would try to cut and paste the Word text into Notepad so that all hidden tags are stripped out, cut-and-paste the text into Publisher from Notepad, then reformat the text in Publisher.
Word embeds loads of tags in text that aren’t visible to most users; these chew up a lot of memory depending on how much text you’re talking about. Then Publisher adds even more tags for formatting, and is a rather cumbersome app on its own. Been there, done that.
Might also check the size of cache, probably getting messages about that too. But you may be able to work around it if you try the two-step technique.
And be sure to save your work frequently. Have also been there, done that, cried a lot over spilt text when doing exactly what you’re doing on a deadline. [sigh]
Hang in there!
LBrowne @ 236
That’s a bit redundant, innit? If they weren’t extremely annoying before that…
Raven at 215: oh, no I wasn’t implying that you were being inflammatory – instead, that the people issuing the press releases are. Sorry if my intention wasn’t clear.
inmymind’s eye @ 214
i saw it. i think a friend of mine sent it to me in an email ……
To all who commented about Flatbush let me say a couple of things. My Aunt & Uncle lived on Newkirk Avenue during the ’70s. They did leave because of drugs affecting their kids. I remember the subway station was upstairs and kinda creepy on the off hours. But, NY is kind of funny. There are always pockets, sometimes ethnic strongholds, that seem to maintain their identity. Now Fitz, is an Iris Catholic. It is possible that his corner of Flatbush was stable. But he still had to take the subway, and it’s a long ride from Flatbush to the upper east side of Manhattan and back. For myself, there is no part of the city that I am afraid of. Been everwhere, never had a problem. If I offended anyone, apologies.
Manimal — your surmise that it might be hidden platform stuff from text you’ve sent out and received may be key. [if they have a different printer on their system than you, for example, that can cause a hiccup].
Using one of those documents, try a “save as” with a new name and re-save within your system. Then try importing and then printing that new document within a new Publisher file.
Rayne @ 247
Sounds like we’ve had some of the same experiences. Good luck, Manimal.
First of all, some of us feel that alternative analysis is instructive. Some people might not want to be blinded by our bias that Libby is guilty. Some may want the added perspective of viewing the case from a more neutral point of view. It isn’t fair to imply nor assume someone who presents an alternative viewpoint to “he’s so obviously guilty” means ill will.
I agree. I don’t share the political viewpoint of many/most of you here, but I have been following the commentary to educate myself, so as to try to understand why people hold opinions that are different than mine. I find some of the comments made very interesting, others less so. But I mean no ill will in the world, don’t want to start a fight, get people angry or anything of the sort. I think a distinction should be made between bomb-throwing, insulting trolls and, on the other hand, respectful people of good will respectfully sharing an alternate viewpoint.
Rayne and Prairie Sunshine, THANKS!
I hate Word. It’s the Dick Cheney in my little laptop world.
LandOfTheFree @
249
no offense taken
Sparkles the Iguana @ 181
what else could he say! he doesnt want to contribute to reduced enrollment in CSJ (where al gore is also on staff). i saw fear in his eyes. ;)
I’m thinking if Fitzy went to Amherst College,
he had to stop by UMASS en route, and perhaps picked up some liberal thoughts swirling in the air…
Jack
fahrender @
250
Check Michael Yon’s website. It was his picture.
Michael Yon
Mikey @ 254
Well said, Mikey. I hope you’ll share some insights on how you see this. It’s instructive to all of us who are willing to listen & learn.
To disagree with the cited article, the Internets say that Michael Volkov was the US Attorney who brought down the K Street Crew, not Peter Zeidenberg. Were they co-prosecutors, or was Sarah Kelly of the Legal Times incorrect in her reporting, or, gosh, are the Internets wrong?
inmymind’s eye @ 214
i have the pic – how can i get it to you? i’m not too good at technical stuff – should we meeting in gabbly to give me your email?
Well said, Mikey. I hope you’ll share some insights on how you see this. It’s instructive to all of us who are willing to listen & learn.
Unfortunately, I think anything I would have to say would make a number of people very angry, and I’m not here to fight. But thanks.
educatedplaintiff @ 262
pic i have isnt the same as the michael yon – it’s a soldier w/ a child asleep on his lap from us air force publication
But, just for the record, there is a somewhat similar discussion on “that other site”, and I cross posted my comments there. A little more tolerance on BOTH sides of the aisle would be a good thing, I think.
Rayne, I left the link for you last night. Did you get it? lolo
bdu @
248
Actually, no. It was his deck of cards that was ruined and no one else got splashed. Although it did make him whinier than usual for a few days, so perhaps you have a point…
Beginning to look like no verdict today. Drat!
lolo @
266
Thanks, lolo, I did. Very interesting. Also checked him at astro-software.com. Only wish for a birth time to tighten up details.
Mikey @
265
Mikey, I hear you; I used to be more independent, centrist, still consider myself a fiscal conservative/social liberal-libertarian. But consider the players and the nature of the problem, using this thought exercise: change the party affiliation of the persons in office to something other than Repug, and ask whether there should not still be a furor about an adminstration that fails to consider the will of the people or its economic viability over the long run. Some of us here are now polarized for exactly this reason, because it does not matter what party is currently in power, only that NO party should be permitted to ignore the social contract we call the Constitution. I long for the day when I could seek a third party candidate without fear that any of the first, second or third party would abuse the privilege of serving the people.
Rayne >
Excellent advise !
At one point in the somewhat distant past I spent time answering phone calls about M$Word issues. This copy & paste step was always one suggested. Another is to save the file as an RTF document & then reimport into M$Word which also forces “stray characters” to go away.
Something to remember if you must use M$Word for your documents.
“There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept.” – Ansel Adams
daCascadian @ 270
Unfortunately the newer the version of Word, the more characters embedded; even porting in/out of RTF and back into Word could produce the same bunch of characters.
There’s another tool I’ve grown to love for this kind of work, especially if I’m gathering content from emails or the internet. I use Performancing with Firefox, has a tab for WYSIWYG and for HTML. I can cut text from any word processing package into a Performancing window, switch to HTML mode and see all the tags. Great for using with blogging and website coding, especially if there are tags you want to keep while stripping only a few.
See Performancing.com
Mikey @ 263
Unfortunately, I think anything I would have to say would make a number of people very angry, and I’m not here to fight. But thanks.
From what I’ve seen, you only get jumped on here if you use old talking points that have been roundly disected and proven to not be true. A well-reasoned opinion or observation supported with facts and presented with respect will generally be treated quite fairly… but there surely will be one or two people who will jump on it just because they hate dissent. Be comfroted that we have a lot more reasonable people here than cheerleaders.