One of the great things about a healthy democracy is that it has error-correcting mechanisms which prevent it from veering too far off course. They're not infallible or instantaneous, but if a politician or policy is really terrible, the odds are that he, she, or it won't be around for very long. Unfortunately, the Republican party has dedicated itself to sabotaging and co-opting these mechanisms, and over the last six years our government has been straying farther and farther from the ideals that this country was founded on.
I would like to focus on three very important mechanisms in particular: the media, the electoral process, and the judiciary. When they are working properly, media and elections hold our public officials accountable for their actions, while the judiciary bounds those actions within the limits of the Constitution. When they are not working properly, the errors multiply, the rule of law breaks down, impunity replaces accountability, and democracy becomes anarchy or tyranny (depending on how selective the breakdown is). I intend to use one post per week to talk about how each of these essential mechanisms is malfunctioning, and to invite the FDL community to exchange ideas and strategies on how to repair them. This week… The Media.
It is impossible to overstate the media's importance. They are, in a very real sense, the gatekeepers of reality for a large proportion of Americans. For people who don't read blogs or alternative publications (i.e., Prospect, Nation, Mother Jones, etc.), the media are their sole source of information and interpretation of what's going on in the world, in their country, in their state, in their community. So when the media report something false, most people will believe it's true. When they don't report something, or gloss over it in favor of the latest missing/dead/bald blonde woman, then it simply never happened, or it's unimportant. And if, just hypothetically, the media consistently characterize Republicans as courageous, principled he-men, and Democrats as timid, flip-flopping weasels, then that narrative becomes conventional wisdom.
But not only do the media control perception of the here-and-now; they control the past, too. In the same way that the Ministry of Truth in 1984 edited history so that "we have always been at war with East Asia," our media misrepresent or ignore past events and statements that would be inconvenient for Republicans, making it as if they never happened. One recent example is their failure to call switch-hinting Joe Lieberman on his many promises to caucus with the Democrats, and a casual perusal of Media Matters will reveal many more such examples of mediamnesia. True, some people may actually remember things for themselves, but the less-skeptical will accept the media's version of events and decide that they must simply be mistaken. I know, it sounds crazy, but the media would be a laughingstock otherwise.
As some of you may perhaps have noticed, the media's errors or omissions hardly ever seem to favor Democrats, in clear defiance of all the laws of probability. I see a lot of exasperated liberal bloggers appealing to the media to show some pride in their work and start living up to their journalistic principles, or berating them for their addiction to cocktail weenies, but I think they miss the point. Lazy, incompetent, shallow reporters and pundits are merely a symptom, not the underlying problem.
The underlying problem is that the major media organizations are owned by very large corporations and very rich wingnuts, all of whom benefit from wealth-and-business-friendly Republican policies. That corporate and/or wingnut ownership exerts pressure on the editorial level to advance the Republican agenda, which in turn drives decisions on what gets reported and how prominently, who gets facetime on TV, and which reporters and columnists get hired, advanced, and fired. Murray Waas toils in obscurity and Walter Pincus's WMD debunkings run on page A23, while Judy Miller becomes a superstar – if not for Fitz, she'd still be at the NYT, cheerfully making the case for war with Iran. The LA Times fires Robert Scheer and hires Max Boot and Jonah Goldberg. Tim Russert attacks Democrats with "gotcha" questions, but offers the Bush administration a safe haven for their talking points. CNN and ABC hire Glenn Beck, WaPo hires John Solomon. And on and on and on. If you're an uncritical stenographer or right-wing tool, the world is your oyster. If you're a sharp-tongued liberal columnist or a dogged investigative reporter, you're lucky to be treading water. And all the editors, reporters and pundits know this, so that even those who consider themselves liberal (supposedly a majority, but remember that Joe Klein and Mickey Kaus claim to be liberal, so take that with a grain of salt) feel that they must tone it down, or repudiate their liberalism entirely to prove how totally non-liberal and therefore objective their reporting is. (Hellooo, Mark Halperin!)
There is another very important point I want to make about media ownership, whether it be giant corporations or brazillionaire right-wing loons: media profits really aren't that important in the grand scheme of things. When the media go into a 24/7 feeding frenzy about a Democratic scandal or a celebrity overdose, it's not necessarily because they're trying to sell papers or bump up their ratings: there's a very good chance that they're simply trying to discredit the Democrats as a whole, or to distract from the latest Republican fiasco. Sure, profits and viewership/readership are nice, and the media will certainly pursue them wherever they can, but never forget: The giant corporations and right-wing fanatics who own them stand to gain far more from continued Republican rule than they ever could from a few extra Nielsen points.
Why am I so positive that propping up Republicans is more important than ratings? Two words: Jeff Gannon. The Bush administration allowed a right-wing male prostitute with no journalistic credentials into the White House press corps. Said male prostitute posted explicit pictures and, ah, "client" testimonials on his website, made numerous solo visits to the White House, some of them possibly overnight, and no-one cared. And more recently, the #3 guy at the CIA was indicted in a prostitution scandal, and no-one cared. When was the last time the media voluntarily passed up a good sex scandal when Republicans weren't involved? No, ratings are simply an excuse to flood the zone with frivolous distractions, blotting out stories that are inconvenient, and pumping up any Democratic missteps like the Clinton-Obama fracas. Here's Howie Kurtz in last week's WaPo chat session, doing a really unconvincing job of selling the ratings excuse:
In a Pew survey, 61 percent say the Anna Nicole saga is being overcovered, but 11 percent say they are following it very closely. Cable is catering to that 11 percent…. In cable, you only need an extra half-million or million viewers to produce a serious spike in the ratings, and that's why Anna Nicole, nearly two weeks after her death, is still sucking up plenty of cable oxygen.
Got that? Only 11% of America still gives a shit about the Anna Nicole saga and 61% want it to just go away, but somehow catering to that 11% is supposed to be a savvy ratings strategy. Riiiiight. It's. A. Smokescreen.
Ah, you say, but look at Bush's thirtysomething approval rating. Look at all the negative stories about Bush and Iraq and torture and wiretapping and Republican corruption. The media have finally woken up and gotten mad about all those times they've been punk'd by the Republicans. They finally feel shame and remorse for abandoning their journalistic standards, and they're trying to make up for it. Bollocks, I say, and not just because I like saying "Bollocks." The media are not having a sudden attack of conscience or righteous fury: they're fighting for their survival. Or more to the point, for their credibility's survival.
The media's control over reality is not absolute, and it doesn't extend to everyone. They must therefore adhere to a certain minimum baseline level of reality. If they stray too far away from that, they risk being undone by little bits of reality leaking in, like sunlight into a vampire's crypt. More people will begin to notice that what the media are saying conflicts with what they're seeing and hearing. Clued-in liberals like us will start whispering at them to check out the blogs and alternative media. And the more people who discover the reality behind the curtain, the more people who will start exposing others to that reality, and where to find it. In other words, if everyone realizes that the media are Pravda, they'll tune them out and turn to the blogizdat instead.
Which presents a bit of a dilemma. As the situation in Iraq grows progressively worse, as the Republicans generate scandal after scandal, as the gap between have-nots and have-mores gets wider and wider, as media watchdog blogs get bigger and louder, that minimum baseline reality becomes increasingly unfavorable to the Republicans, and therefore so must the news. But that doesn't mean that the media is reporting the whole truth; just the bare minimum that they can get away with and still remain credible to the non-skeptics.
And even when they do report stories that are unfavorable to Bush or Republicans, they still follow storylines that are pro-Republican, or at least pro-Bush (that Daou Report post is about a year out of date; I think even the storylines are starting to erode now). Indeed, some stories that slam one Republican may in fact be propping up another. For example, I suspect that this was the real reason that Chris Wallace called Doug Feith on his lie that he never touted a link between Iraq and al Qaeda: it backs up the narrative that Bush made a good-faith decision to invade Iraq based on bad intel from rogue subordinates, and Chris Wallace gets to look like a tough, no-nonsense journalist who can't be spun, not even by his own team. Magic!
So, for all its length, that's still a rather brief and incomplete overview of The Media Problem. The $64 billion question is, what can we do about it? How can we decouple reporting and punditry from corporate and big-money interests? Or failing that, how can we expose the media's Republican agenda so that the American people start to take the news with a healthy pillar of salt? Here are the possibilities that came to my mind, in no particular order:
Reinstate restrictions on media ownership. This just sort of dances around the problem. The media might be owned by smaller corporations, but there's really no guarantee that they would be any less Republican.
Bring back the Fairness Doctrine. This is appealing, but would need to be implemented carefully so that losers like Joe Lieberman and Joe Klein aren't allowed to represent the "liberal" side of any issue. If we can be assured a steady diet of Cliff Schecter and similar liberal attack dogs tearing Republican throats out (um, metaphorically speaking, of course), then I'm all for it.
Counterweight. Create a progressive or objective media empire as a high-profile alternative to the corporate, right-wing ones. Or buy an existing empire and convert it. Only question is, who would fund it? I asked George Soros, but he wasn't interested.
Spoonfeeding. When Kos came to Pittsburgh, I asked him about the media, and his view was that reporters are simply lazy, and the Republicans feed them stories that are all wrapped up and ready to go. Therefore, if liberals or Democrats provide the same "service," we should expect to see the same result. I gotta say, I'm pretty skeptical on this one – it only works if I'm completely wrong… which is certainly possible.
Pushback. Just like the Republicans swarm like angry bees whenever they see a story that displeases them, we can write letters, send e-mails, make phone calls, and post blog entries. Sometimes the media take notice and change course, sometimes they don't. I haven't been able to determine how they decide when to react and when to ignore; I assume they make a conscious or unconscious calculation of the benefit of leaving the story unreported or misreported vs. the risk of having their dishonesty exposed.
Word of mouth. Talking to friends, family, acquaintances about the stories that aren't getting reported, pointing out the media's lies and spin. It probably helps to be very charming and unafraid of conflict, and perhaps even skilled in self-defense…
Meltdown. This is more hope than plan, but there's always the possibility that the media could overreach, and get busted trying to cover up some heinous Republican evildoing, or manufacturing a Democratic scandal out of whole cloth. But given all of the revelations that have already come out (voluntarily suppressing stories until after elections, uncritically passing on Republican lies about WMD, covering up for the Plame leakers, etc.), it's hard to imagine what would really hammer home the media's propaganda catapultiness.
How about you? What are your ideas on how to fix the media? The liberal blogosphere is like a huge open-source think tank, so I have to think that we can come up with something.
Related posts:
- David Gregory and the Balance Trap
- Laura Ingraham on “This Week”: Dick Cheney “Cuts Through” on Afghanistan Because “His Numbers Are Going Up”
- Yoo’s Nightmare: A Trial Showing Torture was Unnecessary
- Republicans Reject Science; Scientists Reject Republicans
- Early Morning Swim: Rachel Smacks Down Ed Gillespie on “Meet the Press”





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Fitz yet?
FITZ!
always wanted to say that
almost
FITZ!
Anybody here ever heard of the Whispering Campaign?
http://psstpsstpsst.blogspot.com/
The writers of the U.S. constitution had no way of anticipating that journalism would become predominantly advertising supported. Advertising supported journalism is commercially poisoned. It is indistinguishable from entertainment. We recieve all the information that shareholders want us to have.
There is a free market for truth, but it is dwarfed by the free market for deception.
We’ve been “Whispering” for years now…think of it as the modern American version of samizat!
KestrelBrighteyes @ 6
I used the word “blogizdat”, as a matter of fact…
Eli — fantastic post — lots to think about (my favorite kind of read). Thanks so much for doing this for us!
John Forde @ 5
Advertising is… unpleasant, but I think the corporate (and wackaloon) ownership is worse.
Thanks, Christy! My pleasure!
KestrelBrighteyes @ 5
Is that site back in action? It was a great idea, but thought that author stopped posting.
Fitz
Eli
Valley Girl @ 12
It kinda sounds like something one could do oneself, if one were so inclined.
Gah! Valley Girl is blinking!
Eli @
9
I saw that *w* Great post btw!
Eli- pretty tacky, I know.
Christy – if you are here, was it you that took umbrage late last week to my thought that if there were to be a sentencing that there might be a downward departure?
Valley Girl @ 17
I led the post with a Lisa Marie Presley video.
‘Nuff said.
Welcome, Eli!
Thanks, KBE! Thanks, Pach!
bmaz at 19 — No, I don’t think I talked about sentencing with anyone last week, so it wasn’t me. Maybe looseheadprop? (Although, I have to say, I don’t see a downward departure being put into the mix voluntarily by Judge Walton, based on his tough sentencing record. I can only see a proffer for one, perhaps, from Fitz during sentencing if and only if if Libby agrees to cooperate from here on out with the government if there are cases going forward, to be honest.)
Eli @ 15
Absolutely!
Valley Girl @ 13
Winter Patriot stopped his blog for awhile, but he’s back up – http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/
I haven’t submitted anything to the campaign in a long time so not sure if he’s still updating, I’ll see if I can get in touch and ask
Pach – writing parking tickets is one area the DC Govt excels at…
What are the chances the note that the jury sent to Judge Walton was related to jury nullification? I read some far out theory where a jury such as this could actually indict someone like Dick Cheney whose criminal deeds came out during the trial they are impaneled on. Is this possible or just wishful thinking?
Eli! good stuff..
Wow! This is a great post and one of the issues that I see as the most important safeguards for our democracy.
One thing I would like to see is the disconnection between news and ratings – having news be unaccountable to anything but the truth. When I was growing up it was more that way, but now it’s info-tainment and has no credibility whatsoever. If we were to redefine ‘news’ according to journalistic standards and ethics instead of what puts eyeballs on the screen, we wouldn’t have to put up with the joke that is local and network news.
Eli, my compliments on the video selection up top. Fine choice for this post.
Valley Girl @ 14
Oh no! Blinking. See this.
KestrelBrighteyes- I suspect WP is putting his full energy into his re-emergence at blogspot. I haven’t “talked” to him in a while, but WP is one of those special souls. Knew him thru BB.
haha, the whispering campaign! I was doing this independently while in college last year. Always leaving stories on bulletins, in administrative offices, etc etc. I really got a kick when it opened discussion on these issues.
I didn’t know there was a site which pushed this model, but I definately think it’s a fun one.
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Other goodies include pranking, and grafitti. I remember a fun little grafitti which I used to drive by on a busy underpass – ‘the media lies’ . It’s a constant reminder to everyday commuters. Geurilla tactics should never fall out of style (FDL may not support these notions, but I sure do!)
Alicia @ 29
Well, I’m skeptical that ratings are *really* the problem, but they’re certainly a convenient and plausible excuse.
I don’t really see any way of decoupling them, short of turning the media over to the government, which- well, come to think of it, I guess it wouldn’t be all that different at all…
CancerCures @ 33
We’re about due for a mention of the Freeway Blogger, yes?
Mickey- do you mean this part?
” blink was once reviled as the most obnoxious tag in HTML. Now it’s mostly forgotten. “
I just had to do it, just once. Just once, I promise.
Great post, Eli. Congrats!
I am personally oh-so-sick of the think-tank- talking-twisted-heads that seem to be hard wired into the corporate media. Perhaps we should go after these so-called experts and their blatant agendas …
they are a big part of the wurlitzer and so are the usual suspects dragged out alla time like clockwork on the Sunday talk shows.
Other than that, I continue to support KO, Katrina, Amy Goodman and the internets and will continue to write my letters and participate in chats at the Poo. (2 questions taken today…)
Valley Girl @ 36
I’m honored to be the recipient.
Alicia @ 29
The only way to make that definition is to quit supporting the current definition of news as defined by the editors and news directors of the various media outlets. We have to reserve our eyeballs for the outlets that support a definition closer to our ethical standards.
Unfortunately, so many people only rely on local and network news (and more local than network) and do so in a kind of automated fashion. They won’t go out of their way to change their daily routines of news consumption to something else like the blogs or distributed media outlets like YouTube. People like their local Debbies and Mikes and Richards and Phillips to deliver the news to them passively from their TVs and radios. We need ways to deliver alternative content sources easier.
I may use blink in the future for things like, “Joe Lieberman, I-Manwhore.”
Just a thought.
Eli @ 34
I agree with you about the point being, not necessarily the ratings but the continued patronage of the Big Business Republican Machine.
But it has been that way before. It doesn’t have to be government-sponsored – it wasn’t before. It was simply not expected to draw numbers like other programs. It was part of what the networks contributed to the public good in exchange for the exclusive use of public airwaves.
Eli,
Speaking of “sabotaging and co-opting these mechanisms,” have you seen this!
well if you’re gonna rap about the media, a little blink-blink isn’t unwarranted.
Eli sez “I’m honored to be the recipient.”
Had to do something special for your first front page at FDL.
Christy@23 – Well one of the principals here thought I was nuts, and I may well have been. I have since read some things about Walton’s sentencing practices and you might be right in that assessment. Yesterday I stated that I would drag out my most recent Fed Sentencing Guidelines and do a rough calculation. My most recent volume is 2004, and I probably haven’t had to do a calculation since long before that. Now I remember why i hired specialists to do that; what a pain in the butt. At any rate I really got no further than having the perjury conduct at around a level 19 or 20 effective base level and struggling to discern whether the obstruction charge is a separately grouped offense for multiple count enhancement purposes. The long and short is that last week I was thinking 4 or 5 years was possible, but I am now thinking maybe no more than 3 years if there is not enhancement. I decline further brain trauma until the exact nature of the conviction counts, if any, are known. What are your thoughts?
FYI: Tonight Frontline is doing an episode about the changing face of Big Media from inside the newsroom at the LA Times. Prescient timing for this post.
What a great post, Eli!
Like you said, the media are supposed to be the gatekeepers – of the truth and of our democracy. And we can’t say they’ve failed us because they’ve succeeded – they’ve given it all away on purpose.
Anybody who’s paying attention knows that BushCo and their minions haven’t been alone in their destruction of our Constitution and everything we stand for. They could not have succeeded in their plans or have gotten away with any of their crimes were it not for their “wink wink” partnership with the media. They’re all responsible – they’re all in it together.
Yet, like you said, for most people the American mainstream media have the floor – all the time.
Wish I had ideas. I’ll just offer an additional criticism to this: Reinstate restrictions on media ownership.
I’m just cynical enough to believe that if this actually happened, it would be done in such a way that the same people who own the big media and news corporations now would continue to own many or most of the smaller ones. That’s just as much of a problem as them owning the big ones. The trick will be to get a more diverse ownership. I’m not sure how you’d go about that, but that’s what the goal should be.
ELI!!!
Good post, dude. My dad was an MSMer, back when they were really reporters and all. He edited at the National journal, LA Times, had a WH press pass from Nixon through GHWB.
As it became apparent that cororate America was taking over the means of communications, we had the same argument over and over. I said too much news in too few hands is BAD NEWS. He said not to worry, his beloved profession had too much integrity to become a mere steno pool. HA! He’s spinning in his urn these days.
I’m reading American Fascists by Chris Hedges right now. he talks about how our turn to the right has been in the works by the Dominionists for almost 50 years now, and the cabal of very wealthy men – all of them, men. Fah! – have plotted and planned to make this God’s Universe on earth, and the take-over of the media is part of God’s plan to make us (psst. not them) into meek little inheritors, some fine day when all there is left to inherit is a bit of rock and some dry dirt.
So, it is imperative to wrestle at least some media away from them and back into our corner, STAT.
We need a cohesive push-back message.I think our side needs a Talking Points Dissemmination Location, like Jeffrey Feldman’s Frame Shop or Kos or FDL, where we can come for verbal ammunition, to refute the Phox Snooze RW lie of the day. Like Cheney’s standard line: “Uhhh, I don’t agree with your basic premise” and he just stops talking. WE can do that, can’t we?
(Can Democrats even be on the same page?)
You are so right, Eli, that the media narrative is critical. I can almost pinpoint when the media flipped over. It was a point in time between the first leaks about Iran Contra and the MSM (My dad included) completely blowing them off as a reality (can you say conspiracy theory) and the very first public discussions about White Water. I heard Harry Schearer and some others (I think Bob Scheer was one of them, too) on KCRW, a local NPR station, saying, well, if EVERYONE is talking about it, them we have to, too. At that moment in time, we handed the narrative over and they’ve never given it back.
VG – How do you do that blinking thing?
Eli — Much here to chew on, thanks. Certainly current problems with the Fourth Estate are symptoms of the Decline and Fall of amurka. The contrast with Europe, where there are hour and longer political discussion shows (on the top networks) without commercial interruptions, and without shouting and bludgeoning, make the current media disease particularly amurkan.
I always tell Europeans in discussions that until they’ve truly been subjected to the gnawing, 24/7 propaganda so professionally crafted in amurka, they can’t truly understand why amurka has been so easily mislead. That kind of propaganda hasn’t, and won’t, take hold here (in current times.)
The growth of an independent web seems to be accelerating, and with positive and lasting effects which were certainly speculated upon even in its earliest days, but may have been underestimated. I don’t see anything more potent than the explosion of the blogosphere, and judging from the past ten years, likely none of us can foresee just how much the net will continue to reshape the political landscape.
Pach has written some brilliant posts over the past weeks (and more) about this effect. As the quality of information over the web increases, the foundation of our new media structures will be built.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 39
Basically, the content has to be put in front of them so that they don’t have to make an effort to find it. They don’t have to find and navigate the blogosphere or some alternative publication. It has to be somewhere easy for them to stumble over, like on TV or radio or prominently displayed on the newsstand.
Otherwise, we have an awful lot of slow, painful work trying to point people towards the truth in onesies and twosies.
Alicia @ 41
If only there were some way to wall off the news division from the business side, but I just don’t know how we’d do it.
Mickey @ 42
Eep. Good luck with that, Dougie-Boy. I’m sure a website will go a long ways towards rehabilitating your reputation.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 39
That’s part of the problem. People like us are in the definite minority. And most people (already working overtime in a manner that was not the norm a generation earlier) do not have the time, the energy, the motivation or
the realization that they’re not getting the whole truth from TV or newspapers.
And, you know what? They shouldn’t have to. That’s the job of the Fourth Estate. Every person does not have the resources, either timewise or technically, to search through the Internet to make sure their information is accurate. I can’t go to Iraq. I can’t go to Washington. I can’t go to Sacramento and check things out first-hand. The Fourth Estate’s obligation is to do that. That is the reason why the Libby trial is an issue. Why sources have to be protected. Why the First Amendment was written.
If free speech is to be protected, the Fourth Estate needs to live up to its obligation. In order to stay informed, we are having to become investigative journalists ourselves. And today’s world is so complex and multi-faceted that it is a full-time job just to separate the sh** from the Shinola, so to speak. Journalism is a profession, or it used to be. One aspect of a profession is a matter of trust. If you go to a doctor or a lawyer, you are putting your trust in them, since we all can’t spend years in med school or law school. You are literally putting your life into their hands. And we put the life of our democracy in the hands of our press.
It’s money. No one can get elected to Washington in this country without selling out to money. If you take big money out of the pic, then politicians become more aggressive at combatting lies and distortions – but as it is now, they all walk a line where pissing of the donors is the very worst thing they can do. It is passive collusion between a lapdog media and sell out politicians that makes the whole thing so destructive.
If big media could not be big donors, then I think that there would be a more balanced ownership. Their primary aim in life would be attract and keep customers, not propogandize.
Jake
free speech tv
Amy Goodman
Ed Garvey: Hillary coronation wanted by ‘the bigs’
By Ed Garvey, Feb. 27,2007
A billion dollars will be spent on this race. By whom? The bigs. Why will they cough up the money? Because of a burning desire for good government?The race for president is in full swing, but feel no need to get excited, contribute to a candidate or watch the debates. Selecting the “American Idol” will be a more democratic process than nominating the Republican and Democratic candidates for president.
You, my friends, are not needed. Big media conglomerates, pollsters, consultants, big drug and insurance companies, and other captains of industry will take this burden from your shoulders. You have plenty to keep you busy just making a living, so you can let the big boys (”bigs”) and their bagmen make the decision for you. Rather comforting, wouldn’t you say?
The bigs want a close race between the Democrat and the Republican, so that both must beg them for big bucks in their Faustian bargain.
The Democratic Leadership Council bigs decided five years ago to nominate Hillary Clinton in 2008. Sure, Barack Obama is a rising star with charisma Hillary would kill for, but he won’t get the big money he needs. You say, “But people like him.” So what? Too unpredictable. The bigs don’t know enough about him. You will be told, “not enough experience.” Translated, that means “he might have his own agenda.”
http://www.madison.com/tct/opi…..tid=120749
Mommybrain- re: last sentence. Sshh… don’t tell, don’t ask. I will be in big trouble with the mods, bec. it will drive them crazy when people don’t close the tags. I have been very bad.
As some of you may perhaps have noticed, the media’s errors or omissions hardly ever seem to favor Democrats, in clear defiance of all the laws of probability.
Oh please!
Alicia @ 29
I keep hoping we’ll have something like the BBC someday – a news organization financed by the government, but off-limits to government influence. PBS hasn’t quite worked out that way. They feel the need to pander to the CPB for that ten percent or so of their budget that still comes from the government. I’m not sure what the answer is, since the BBC’s status is as much due to tradition as to law, but that’s an ideal I’d like to see if it were possible.
Valley Girl @ 56
Sigh, you emeriti have all the fun…
licketysplit @ 57
not random? oh dear
I’d like to send a note to the jury
HURRY UP AND CONVICT THIS TRAITOR
Valley Girl @ 56
Honestly, I’m surprised the software here doesn’t remove the blink tag automatically. There’s really no good reason for it in comments…
Too free use of html in these comments and next thing you know it will be as garish as the threads at another large site that I will leave unmentioned.
John Forde @
6
Here’s another thing that the framers of the Constitution could not anticipate, that is now at the heart of the current imbalance. Worse yet, the Republicans know this, and have been exploiting it mercilessly for six years.
And that is this: Each ‘power’ in the balance of powers operates in a different time frame:
(1) The Executive can act immediately. They can even act illegally, as the current White House has done, leaving others to pick up the pieces later.
(2) The Legislative Branch acts more slowly, because it needs to formulate legislation, and then the bill has to be passed by both Houses of Congress, and agreed on with a reconciliation bill, if needed, and even then it doesn’t become law until the President signs it. This can take painfully long, especially if the subject is something that galvanizes the minority position enough to block the Senate version of the bill.
(3) The Courts take even longer. First, they have no power of initiative, as the other two branches do. They have to wait until someone sues. Then, it is possible to appeal any verdict in lower courts to a higher court, and it can take an eternity (or so it seems) for a bill to work its way up the chain, unless there is a clear case for expedited review, as in the case of Bush v. Gore in 2000.
So the Executive Branch, even as envisioned by the writers of the Consitution, in today’s fast-moving era, has an inherent advantage.
Here’s how the Republicans framed it, IIRC:
Rove, or someone like him, commented to the effect of
‘let the Democrats and the Press analyze what we’re doing all they want. By the time they figure it out, and build any consensus in opposition, it will be too late.’
This closely resembles Ariel Sharon’s tactic of creating “facts on the ground” that have the effect of excluding options that others might have preferred.
So in restoring our balance of powers, something must be done to equalize the time cycles of the three branches.
Of course, our ‘Founding Fathers’ sometimes played intentionally with time factors, as when they stipulated 2-year terms for Representatives, 4 year terms for the presidency, and 6 year terms for Senators. But the time factors outlined above were not as well though through as the others.
Bob in HI
Christy Hardin Smith @
10
Seconded.
Can we digg this post? Are Atrios, Josh Marshall, and others reading and linking to this?!
FiniFiniTOOBZ@27 – I don’t know if you saw my comment @125 on the last thread (similar question by a jury) but, no, that is not how it works. Charges are either filed directly by a prosecutor or served up by a grand jury at the request of a prosecutor, a trial jury has no standing to charge.
everhopeful @ 47
Of course (and I wish I could say I specifically had this in mind when I chose that word), a gatekeeper’s job is also to keep people *out*, and they certainly have done a marvelous job at that.
Crazy Horse @ 50
I’m envious of Europe’s robust media. It really sounds like a completely different universe, and we get reminded of it every time Bush gets interviewed over there (snort!).
The blogosphere is a great source of information and debunking, but one has to know that it’s there and actively come looking for it, and most people simply don’t.
I think its main role in politics right now is to energize, activize, and, yes, monetize the passionate, and to act as a nagging, whispering conscience to the media.
By the time you examine the new reality, we will have changed it, leaving another new reality for you to study.
Bob Schacht @ 64
I agree with you Bob. That’s why I think it’s essential that the people convicted of using a forgery to start the war get the maximum legal punishment.
Jake – but not the one @ 53
I think you may be stepping on my next post…
Eli, great post. One of the most difficult things about living the age of W is that I really don’t know when the media (whether it’s the MSM or the blogosphere) is telling the truth, or at least some measure of it. Yeah, skeptiscim is good but I gotta have something in which to believe.
Lately I’ve been reading George Orwell’s “Politics and the English Language.” This is what he wrote in 1946:
“In our time, political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible. Things like the continuance of British rule in India, the Russian purges and deportations, the dropping of the atom bombs on Japan, can indeed be defended, but only by arguments which are too brutal for most people to face, and which do not square with the professed aims of the political parties. Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism., question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness. Defenseless villages are bombarded from the air, the inhabitants driven out into the countryside, the cattle machine-gunned, the huts set on fire with incendiary bullets: this is called pacification. Millions of peasants are robbed of their farms and sent trudging along the roads with no more than they can carry: this is called transfer of population or rectification of frontiers. People are imprisoned for years without trial, or shot in the back of the neck or sent to die of scurvy in Arctic lumber camps: this is called elimination of unreliable elements. Such phraseology is needed if one wants to name things without calling up mental pictures of them. Consider for instance some comfortable English professor defending Russian totalitarianism. He cannot say outright, “I believe in killing off your opponents when you can get good results by doing so.” Probably, therefore, he will say something like this:
“While freely conceding that the Soviet regime exhibits certain features which the humanitarian may be inclined to deplore, we must, I think, agree that a certain curtailment of the right to political opposition is an unavoidable concomitant of transitional periods, and that the rigors which the Russian people have been called upon to undergo have been amply justified in the sphere of concrete achievement.”
Sounds eerily familiar.
The media must stop parroting the Administration’s line and defending the indefensible-Lieberman, Abu Ghraib, Cheney, George Bush. When the media starts using plain language to describe reality, maybe I’ll start believing again.
bdu, Jw. Sorry. I just had a wild moment. Mea Culpa.
Bob Schacht @ 64
The other thing that they didn’t anticipate was that Republicans in the Legislature would be so utterly deferential to Republicans in the Executive, and make absolutely no attempt to preserve their own power and influence.
This kind of perverse selflessness was completely inconceivable to the Founders, who relied on human nature (i.e., desire to protect turf) to keep the government in balance.
jeffreyw @ 69
Reality-surfing.
Speaking of overseas media- here’s an interesting site that’s useful to get a view of U.S. news from the vantage point of the rest of the planet’s newspapers:
http://www.watchingamerica.com/index.shtml
Valley Girl @ 73
Oh, I didn’t even see the offending post, and a one-off blink, who cares, you know? ;0)
It’s just not something you’d want happening more than once on a comment page, or for more than a couple words, and for that reason it’s usually filtered out. (Envisioning circa ‘95 pages of blinking text in garish colors set in H1)
Eli @ 68
Unfortunately, I think you’re right. It would be wonderful if we had a real, honest-to-goodness online newspaper for this country, but even that, like other online resources, is something people have to choose to go read. Even dead tree newspapers are that way – you have to pick the things up and read them. Many people just aren’t willing or able to do that.
Nice work, Eli. You’ve covered some of my biggest favorites for restoring the Fourth Estate. Publicly funded broadcasting also needs to be revisited, since this factor has broad bi-partisan support.
I think it’s time to use a two-punch on this; if it’s about money, then we take it away. If it’s about politics, we remove it from play. The factor that seems more difficult for us to master is the money; we aren’t particularly good at finding ways to completely cut off our consumption of their products and consumption of products in proportion to advertising featured on corporate media. The situation with KSFO was instructive; we threatened their licensure (politics) while at the same time we threatened their advertising income as well as listener base (money). We must be just as disciplined about other vehicles, and be prepared to feed the alternatives that are positive at the same time (like rewarding KO with increasing audience).
I don’t blame the political parties or individual politicians for ’spinning’. That’s what they do. It’s the fourth estate that lets them get away with it that’s at fault. Is this is a complicated concept? Perhaps I’m not right here.
mc @ 72
1984 was very much an extrapolation of trends that were apparent even back then. Orwell is shaking his head at us and saying “I told you so.”
I wonder if Frank Luntz is a big Orwell fan…
Wow. OT (Sorry, Eli) Debbie Wasserman-Shultz just kicked the shit out of Chris Shays on Harbaugh. (That’s how Tweety says it, that’s how I’m spellin’ it)
Hersh on Hardball
EPU’d from the past thread, where it was posted too late to be seen, with some modifications to suit the present thread:
Do you remember looseheadprop’s brilliant essay on the Bright Shiny Object Defense? It was back in mid-December, but it is still a classic to be referred to, often. I think that the War is Bush & Cheney’s primary Bright Shiny Object. The Media have been a sucker for this.
Look! See! Over here! War! Doesn’t that make you mad??? Run! Run like mad at our bright shiny object! Obsess with it!! Become preoccupied with it!!
They’re playing the media, and many of us, like a matador plays with a bull. We get so mad about the War that the Media feeds our frenzy, so we don’t spend much time looking at what the White House is doing with their other hand that is not waving the bright shiny object. We just charge with rage at the bright shiny object (war, social security, whatever) and meanwhile, brick by brick, they’re turning our country into a Fascist state.
I can’t take Reid’s nose-counting seriously. During Watergate, did the Senate do a headcount before authorizing the Select Committee that Sam Ervin chaired to look into certain things? If they had done so, Sen. Sam would not have had his several weeks of national fame that enshrined him in the Constitutional Hall of Fame forever. And Nixon’s plots might have succeeded (he was a lot more popular then, than Bush is now.) The point is this: Evidence turned up by the Select Committee changed the nose count!!!
I’m about ready to PUKE over the gutlessness of this Democratic Congress. Why are there only a few investigations going on? Are they afraid of their own shadows?
Bah! Humbug! :-)
Bob in HI
When we discuss the media I think it’s very important to include the leprous talk-radio segment.
In my experience many of those “less-skeptical (who) will accept the media’s version of events” get all of the news they want from the SnakeOil salesmen that are Limbaugh and his ilk. Hate-radio content becomes their reality and thus their opinion.
It is interesting (if frustrating) dealing with people like this. They take on the very persona of the vipers they listen to. This is manifested in their violent, tolerance-challenged, rage-filled communication styles. Shouting down opposing points of view ala Hannity works well for them regardless of whether they make a vaild argument. Inevitably smug satisfaction follows after their debater wanders off to find something less annoying. They have won.
These people are unlikely to change. And talk radio is unlikely to change their approach as long as it works. Yet another hurdle that needs to be dealt with as try to fix the media.
bdu- apparently WP authors missed this one. Not that I blame them. From what I can gather, the good folks at WP do quite a bit of extra work to tailor the software for FDL.
I still love the work of Howard Rheingold…author of Smart Mobs. His stance is this:
In other words, we are the media we’ve been waiting for. We can, and are, transforming the way information gets out. Why,else, would “net neutrality” be an issue? Because we are using technology to diminish the impact of the MSM we are perceived to be a threat. We just have to keep up the heat.
bmaz @ 66
Thanks for the clarification, I thought it was a crackpot legal theory that guy was talking about.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 80
I don’t like it, but it’s certainly a lot more pernicious and frustrating when you see the media simply passing it along as truth, or at best, “one side of the story”.
Rayne @ 79
What do you mean by publicly-funded broadcasting? Are you talking PBS (which, as someone pointed out, is not working out so well) or something else?
I think the monetary pressure is harder and harder to coordinate the larger the entity gets, unfortunately. And KSFO was a really extreme example, where the issue was hate speech more than “mere” dishonesty.
Of all the options I listed, the counterweight is the one I like the most, since I think people would flock to a truly objective news channel, as long as it was careful not to make “objective” synonymous with “boring”.
One of the aspects I forgot to include was that it would have real debates between non-eliminationist, non-Dominionist conservatives and non-lame progressives. Now *that* would be fun to watch.
I think the trick is to focus on the areas where diversity is still allowed to run limitless. THE INTERNET.
From the internet, everything is categorized. Congressional voting records can be made available at a snap of a finger. Comments, quotes, predictions are stored.
Wikipedia and other information powerhouses provide pretty accurate information on anything and anyone.
Websites, bulletin board sites, BLOGS, and newer social gathering sites like Myspace allow for discussions and debates.
Sites like YouTube are filled with the words from our leaders and the lies spewed from the media big heads. How much we laugh at them as they spin. How easily are they categorized – a simple search for McCain or Kerry and you’re sure to laugh as they say one thing on Tuesday, and say another on Thursday. Hippocrits! You’re caught red handed and we cannot take you seriously any more!
Meanwhile Flickr and other picture hosting sites show us stills of everything we want to see, when we want to see it. How can I believe Iran is the evil enemy when I see young Iranian men and women playing soccer, going to museums, or walking in a peaceful city park? How can I support a war with Iraq when I see before and after photos of the same streets and buildings, once well maintained, and now in rubble?
God damn its obvious we should not be looking to the old tools of newspaper or cable television. If you want to change the news the rest of Americans get to see, here’s what you do:
OPEN UP THE INTERNET. Make computers and internet access cheaper and available to EVERYONE in America.
Expose the U.S.A. to the new media. Everything is at our fingertips. Why the fuck go back to the old model?
Eli @ 75
Been on gabbly all day, still in chat mode, was just a riff off Bob @ 64 re executive speed of action vs slower branches. Paraphrased from another well known quip.
Good post, Eli. Some great comments, too.
bookwoman @ 87
In other words, we are the media we’ve been waiting for. We can, and are, transforming the way information gets out. Why,else, would “net neutrality” be an issue? Because we are using technology to diminish the impact of the MSM we are perceived to be a threat. We just have to keep up the heat.
Nice catch. Was just going to bring up the old hippie myself. Because the viral nature of the net does eventually self-generate.
Balrog @ 85
Completely agree. I consciously left that out for space and flow reasons, but talk radio is a horrible malevolent toxic stew, and a whole lot of people are marinating in it and turning into little crazy Limbaughs. It’s scary.
Eli: Pushback. Just like the Republicans swarm like angry bees whenever they see a story that displeases them, we can write letters, send e-mails, make phone calls, and post blog entries. Sometimes the media take notice and change course, sometimes they don’t. I haven’t been able to determine how they decide when to react and when to ignore; I assume they make a conscious or unconscious calculation of the benefit of leaving the story unreported or misreported vs. the risk of having their dishonesty exposed.
I don’t see much indication that they worry about “having their dishonesty exposed”. I think the most effective way to get through to them is by writing to the sponsors, threatening boycotts. I thought about this when the NRA brought down Jim Zumbo, or whatever his name was. (Not that I give a shit about him) but they seem to have more of a herd mentality than us. I wish we could get organized like we were back in the 60’s.
My idea is to form a symbiotic relationship with serious journalists/media outlets.
There are two very good reasons why some good journalists may be holding back on doing good journalism:
The good ones are concerned that they are going the way of the dinosaur. They see us as competition.
AND
Just like every other group/clan/tribe, they have internalized a cetain worldview. You mentioned this already in that they are deathly afraid of being bashed by the right if they appear too liberal. So they play it safe and try to balance their news. They present both sides and are reticent to say which one is true. They form no conclusions. They think they are doing their jobs if everyone is afflicted.
So, I say we assimilate the good ones. Try to get on their good side. Share resources. They have institutional resources, bureaus, editors and equipment. We have thousands of analysts.
They collect the data. We assemble it, make the picture and draw the conclusions.
Plus, they wouldn’t have to worry about our potty mouths if they would just do their jobs. We are on their side. The right is not. We want to save the press. The right wants to discredit and eliminate it because it serves no useful purpose in their authoritarian world.
I think FDL has made a step in this direction by covering the Libby trial in such phenomenal detail. The FDL bloggers have the most in-depth knowledge of the Plame Affair after having gathered the data from disparate sources, filtered through it and analysed it. And I think that there are major media outlets that have taken notice. If they were smart, they would form an alliance. They could provide the press passes, chip in for bandwidth, pay for a month of Plame House. It would be an investment in recouping their credibility.
Ok, I’m going home to some frozen food and KO.
Ciao
Just a few comments. There’s a lot to digest and a lot to say…
It is impossible to overstate the media’s importance.
Um, may I humbly suggest it is possible to overstate the importance of “old-world” media? Cable news itself get a pitiful number of aggregate average viewers, something like 12 million daily only spiking into the tens of millions during major disasters. I think our energy is better spent bringing the new media to the customer, not fighting against a dying behemoth. Let’s just knock a new hole in the wall and build our own gate.
The underlying problem is that the major media organizations are owned by very large corporations and very rich wingnuts, all of whom benefit from wealth-and-business-friendly Republican policies.
Hear-hear. This is primarily the result of media deregulation in the 80s. Local-ownership requirements, ownership limits, diversity requirements, etc. all played a crucial role in maintaining a free (and marginally professional) press. Restoring those protections would, eventually, work to cure the problem. But it might take as long as the 20 years it’s taken to get to this state. And good luck drumming up much interest in a congressional majority that, no matter it’s party-affiliation, is far more beholden to those very corporate interests than to ourselves.
I think that the best bet patriotic Americans have of getting America better informed is through bringing them to the Internet. Literally. Working for community access, recycling computers for those who can’t afford them, etc. And we don’t have to wait until organizations are built to do this: Give your needy neighbor your old PC and buy them a year’s worth of dial-up, convince your local internet cafe to offer some free time for community use. Help set up a free community internet cafe.
And of course, building good blogs.
CancerCures @ 90
But even if you make it physically/technically accessible to everyone, there’s this vast landscape of information, and not really any map. If you tell people they should get their news off the internet, most of them are just going to throw up their hands and go to Foxnews.com or CNN.com instead of trying to sort through it all.
What are your ideas on how to fix the media?
Outlaw botox. I really think the problem is just that they go too deep with the needles.
JeffreyW made an excellent point – Free Speech TV and Democracy Now with Amy Goodman are fine examples of wgat we should be doing to combat the MSM. Unfortunately, FSTV is only available via satellite and a few cable operators. We ought to be figuring out ways to support them better and help them get on more cable systems.
Eli – great post.
Whoever knows Soros should certainly try to convince him that the time is NOW (actually past NOW) for him to become a liberal media mogul.
Our argument isn’t with the right wing reporters; it’s with GE, and Walt Disney, and Kaplan, and Clear Channel and every other big corporation who owns newspapers, TV stations, radio stations, magazines and is obscenely benefitting from Republican politics.
Someone here mentioned that several leading British papers are owned by trusts that are set up in such a way that profit is not a motive.
We need some visionaries with money to step up and buy a major network or begin a new one.
Soros sounds like a likely candidate, but there must be others. Any ideas?
Projects on the internet and writing on underpasses are great, but there are still two/thirds of the population who will generally believe what the electronic media tell them.
Took me a year or more of flailing about before I settled into a comfy bookmark list. Blogrolls on the a-list sites were my salvation.
Unka Willbur @ 96
What about network news? People are getting their news from *somewhere*, whether it be network, cable, print, radio, internet, or word-of-mouth from people who are getting *their* news from somewhere. And I know internet is not exactly high on the list.
Olbermann soon. How does this guy keep everynight’s show so crisp?
randiego @ 83
Matthews in the worst way (continued rephrasings)… what’s the biggest world threat??? he wanted Sy to say Iran, but Sy clipped: BUSH
ohioblue @ 100
He was really adamant about not doing that when he was here in Book Salon. I got the impression that he’s given it some thought, and he’s dead set against it. His stated reason was that it would make him just as bad as Murdoch, but I don’t know if that’s the whole story or not.
What about the clairvoyance of the BBC?
Very, very good piece. Your writing is wonderfully clear, and you cover most of the major bases in the story of the decline and fall of U.S. media.
As for your proposed remedies, I believe reinstating ownership limits and bringing back the fairness doctrine are the only items on your list that really haven’t yet been tried and found ineffective. Those two will probably have some effect, but only if watchdogs are at work doing careful checking for compliance, which even in the best case can only happen as long as Democrats are in power.
Even then, though, I don’t think those changes will suffice to straighten out our desperately sick broadcast information system.
What’s necessary is a major restructuring of the whole concept of “owned” media in this country. Having huge corporations control essentially our entire electronic consciousness is simply not compatible with a functioning democracy.
I know it sounds impossible to rebuild our media system from the ground up, but I think we have an obligation to try to do so.
In the early 1950s, the U.S. made a fateful decision to allow television advertising instead of imposing television license fees on viewers, as is done in the U.K. and other countries. Now we have to pay for that mistake by having a gigantic rethink. Will that discussion be, um, difficult? Yes, indeedy. Is it impossible? That remains to be seen.
Mary4 @ 97
BTW, the other Mary left a gracious comment to you on earlier thread, offering to go back to her prior/ usual moniker. And, I replied w/ endorsement. So, you may be able to be Mary again.
jeffreyw @ 101
But how many people are going to have the patience to do that?
If we’re going to talk about the internet as a serious alternative to traditional media, then we need to develop one hell of a good portal/roadmap that will help newbies feel comfortable navigating around and finding the information they need.
Soros slammed that door shut in his book salon, refused to do it for reasons of principle.
I think it will take “we the people” to do that, will take some reregulation to have a hope for that to work.
I wish there was a resource where we could see the organizational structures of media like CNN or the New York Times with critical, informative bios on those concerned. I have critiqued recently articles from the NYT on their coverage of the Iran-Iraq connection. It was great that somebody pointed out Michael Gordon’s connection to Judy Miller’s bad articles on the run up to the Iraq War, supporting the notion that his writing on Iran was no fluke but was representative of someone with an agenda and a history. wiki and the corporate sites aren’t the answer. The wiki article on the WaPo executive editor Leonard Downie, for instance, is 1/2 page and is essentially contentless.
Ralph @ 107
Interesting. But the media in the UK is state-owned as a result? Or are they not necessarily linked?
I would love to see the media decoupled from the corporate world, but given the Republicans’ penchant for gaming the system, I shudder to think what direct mischief they could wreak on government-owned media.
jeffreyw @
54
Very good examples of programs that are already out there doing what we erroneously expect the MSM to do at some time in the future after we fix everything. Or something like that. Eli’s point about “word of mouth” fits in well for already existing platforms which we should be hyping (I am) and promoting to our friends and on the web.
Using Democracy Now as an example – How many pups watch or listen to the program on a regular basis? I know several commenters here do, but for every 100 mentions of Tweetie or Michelle or Coulter or some other dumb MSM f*ck I see in an fdl essay, I doubt I’ve even seen half a mention of Amy and Juan’s ALWAYS stimulating coverage of the same stuff we’re concerned about at this site.
Maybe we should find better ways to help people ignore the MSM rather than try to change or directly co-opt their paradigm. Actually, we are doing just that.
Good essay, Eli.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 105
They have some very deep sources, wouldn’t you say? They seem to get their info half an hour before it even happens!
excellent post.
I believe it all comes down to the Estate Theory. Most of the so-called Fourth Estate is no longer that; it has been co-opted and is now serving as communications departments for the BIG THREE that precede it.
Having been involved in launching a small independent paper, I know the hurdles. And many of them will trip even the most resolute. Hence, the Internet and bloggers are the best thing going for real journalism now. But how to get the news out to the vast majority of people who are busy with their lives and barely afford time to read the sports pages after a day at work?… still, the growth in Internet and blogger-based newsgatherers grows… is it going to be fast enough? are we going to preserve net neutrality?
Another big issue is funding the gathering of news… much of what bloggers do today is critique MSM’s coverage… how does the blogger get out to film events? how does it get access to important spokespeople? more to mull over…
Agreed, Adrianna has a start, but still we need a reliable traffic cop, one who will be seen as fair.
I see a lot of the big names in the comments.
Unfortunately, local news programs can, and often are, far worse.
What passes for the local news around here is laughable.
Fluff piece followed by human interest followed by the weather.
Watching it last night, I counted FOUR different times they went back to the weather.
Breaking! It’s the Pacific Northwest,DUH, it freaking rains here. OK? I don’t need to hear it FOUR times!
Eli @
89
What do you mean by publicly-funded broadcasting? Are you talking PBS (which, as someone pointed out, is not working out so well) or something else?
I mean that the management needs to be hosed out and replaced, with an emphasis on neutrality and true balance, news coverage on truly compelling stories that do not receive coverage from the corporate media. This means both PBS and NPR/PRI.
We have forgotten that the airwaves belong to the people; this is a commons that we share, any entity licensed to use these commons must serve the common good. Those using our commons to make a profit must work towards a more perfect union and promotion of the general welfare and all that old-fashioned founding fathers values, you know?
Quaint, but there it is.
I think the monetary pressure is harder and harder to coordinate the larger the entity gets, unfortunately. And KSFO was a really extreme example, where the issue was hate speech more than “mere” dishonesty.
Al Gore said it best when he said we only need the will to make it happen — in regards to change require to counteract global warming, but nonetheless about change. If “they” can steal our country from under our noses, we can take it back. We only need the personal and cultural discipline to do so.
Eli @ 97
That’s my point too. Maybe the next generation will do that, but this one is still used to getting its news from traditional outlets. Don’t tell me that your friends or family’s eyes don’t start glazing over when you start excitedly talking about blogging.
And even if they had the interest and tech savvy, they’re just too tired! And it is the honor and the obligation of the Fourth Estate to question the powers that be. They owe that to us.
Maybe every network that offers independent news could get a tax break for fulfilling their public obligation. The airwaves and Internets do not belong to the networks. They lease them from us.
FiniFiniTOOBZ!- They are remarkable.
wrt British print media, here’s Weisman today
gasp!
guffaw!
Canned spots and the local meth lab bust, three jolly anchors giggling and the subsidized health report, brought to you by the local for profit hospital chain. yuk
Eli @ 105
I find this a very undesirable option. Call me old-fashioned, but I really hate the idea of the news business being divided into “our” news and “their” news. The right wing don’t seem to particularly care if “their” news makes a profit or not. Competition wouldn’t seem to be a big inducement for them to become better at reporting the news. They’d just downsize to the point where they have a few shills who will write whatever they want.
I want to see the news improved, not divided into rival camps that don’t even agree on the definition of “up” or “down”.
Rayne @ 118
Ah, but who’s in charge of the purging? How can we ensure that it really *is* nonpartisan, and that it stays that way?
Rayne @ 118
Agree. Management is key. And we can take it back. ;0)
Cujo359 @ 123
Actually, I’d like to see the right-wing news outlets balanced by an *objective* news outlet.
Of course, everyone would *call* it a liberal news outlet…
jeffreyw @ 122
That’s what I’m talking about.
Eli,
We all began somewhere. Remember your first exposure to the internet, and how daunting it was? Like an intertube out in sea. It takes time to learn how to use the internet effectively.
I began by going to bulletin sites. Then games. And from those two, I encountered many many people online who plugged me to so many cool sites.
And as far as roadmaps or guides go, there are plenty, and they are called Portals. Google is a portal. Newgrounds is a portal. Myspace is a portal.
Do we need a traffic cop? Hell no. Common sense is a traffic cop.
ohioblue @ 100
Soros already provides the vehicles for changing media through his Open Society intiatives (see Soros.org). He could fund it, but we are going to have to write a compelling grant request to get him on board.
And you know, I think that’s absolutely important, too; we have to have envisioned this carefully enough to have what is tantamount to a business plan in order to proceed. Soros is not going to be around for ever, and whatever we launch in the way of new media must be self-sustaining, even if it gets seed money from Soros. That enforcement of discipline is important for success and succession, and it’s critical to responding to the VRWC. The VRWC has had a business plan and seed money and it grew and prospered; it’s hard to argue with success. Opposition efforts will not succeed if they are not equally disciplined.
Speaking of media and the Internet, the FDL/HuffPo/NeedleNose PoliticsTV show has been simply outstanding. I’m thinking (as other wiser heads have said before me) that it would be a good and natural thing for this flavor of coverage to be extended forward in time, to the coming investigations, convictions and impeachments… and even beyond.
“NightLine” started its long and successful run, growing out of the ABCNews nightly coverage of the always-fluid state of Iranian Hostage Crisis.
“BlogLine” ? :) … may it start NOW and culminate when our Democracy is back on an even keel, and the Bush Crime Family are out of power, either holed up in their various ranches or (preferably) standing at the bar of International Justice in the Hague.
As I said earlier during the PoliticsTV coverage, “I’d PAY to see lots more of that!!” and I’m betting that an increasingly commercially successful segment of the US viewing public could be weaned away from the current degraded pap to watch it.
I’m a member of Air America Premium so I can get their audio podcast content. What I’ve seen on PoliticsTV thus far has been far more valuable than even that.
I can’t produce it, but I could sure consume it. Who’s with me?
What a great post and thread, Eli. We got your think-tank right here.
Greenspan indicates “recession”.
With a heading of “Welcome To My Nightmare”, shouldn’t that be a picture of Alice Cooper?
jeffreyw @ 110
Well, I don’t think “we the people” could afford it. It would have to be a consortium of like-minded individuals with money and without big egos, which might be hard to put together.
Maybe at somepoint Soros would revisit the idea.
Where’s the Marquis de Lafayette when you need him?
VG – all the Marys here are very gracious. *g*
I kind of like Mary4. When there is a Mary and a Mary4, it drives the NSA crazy trying to figure out who Mary2 and Mary3 are.
Badwater @ 133
My first thought too, then I remembered he supports BushCo.
YER OUT!!
Eli @ 111
The Republicans game the corporate media so what’s the difference?
And MSNBC got rid of Phil Donahue in the run up to the illegal Iraq war.
I’ll never forget that.
;(
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0227-04.htm
Badwater @ 133
I seriously thought about it, but ultimately decided I would rather go with something more media-themed.
Eli @ 126
Therein lies a big part of the problem with a split news world. Steven Colbert’s joke about reality having a liberal bias would come to be the truth. Assuming, of course, that liberal news was actually more interested in objectivity than conservative news.
Bustednuckles @ 136
I didn’t know that. I am so disappointed.
Gore, Obama, Hillary. Which for ‘08? Piece of cake for me.
Hill tells us the problem is the “one bomb a day”. Okaaaay.
I think that limiting media conglomeration, revisiting the Fairness Doctrine (your first two items) and pushback (your fifth) are the most helpful at this point. I think this is a seminally important issue, one which would affect so many other spheres of our culture that it should be a major pressure point for action.
I have linked to this discussion from my nascent blog, which will be of absolutely no value whatsoever to FDL, but a person’s gotta start somewhere. :)
Just now on CNN, somebody (Costello) smeared Al Gore, calling him a hipocrite with regard to his green agenda, citing his energy bill for his Nashville house is 2500 a month, and over 30K last year. I don’t believe this “fact” for a minute.
ELI !!!
nothin nightmarish about you being front paged -
wow ! – a well deserved place and a gd feast at that – yummy
angie @ 138
Neither will I.
Eli @ 124
Start with the Public Broadcasting Act of 1967, as amended. The answers are in there, Eli.
This used to work just fine. A substantive majority of the American public thought so. We just need to go back to what worked.
(Ditto the Fairness Doctrine; it worked just fine, and still has the support of more than 70% of voters.)
CancerCures @ 128
But what about people who just want to turn on the TV and use the clicker? There’s really no analog to that experience of sitting on your couch and having it all come to you without you having to make any effort at all. The PC is simply not like TV, and people want TV.
I think the new generation is a lot more comfortable with the PC as a window to a vast world of information to be explored, but a lot of people just want to be passively entertained and informed.
mulligatawny @ 144
Did he mention what a typical energy bill is for a house the size of Gore’s in his area?
mulligatawny @ 144
…what they probably didn’t mention is that his electricity comes from a green source AND he is having solar panels installed.
Cujo359
I wonder if a solution might not be an American version of the BBC, but going in the other direction and having subscriber-supported news, an HBO with news for content rather than movies.
I asked Jane about this model a year ago and she said she didn’t know if it could work, but watching FDL’s nightly reports from the Libby trial, it’s clear that this was subscriber-supported news, albeit on a very small scale.
I don’t know the economics of cable network news and what level of subscriber base would be necessary to sustain one, but when I see the amounts of money raised online by campaigns, I wonder if it could work?
Then again, I don’t know where the startup capital would come from.
The investment community is aware of the growth in and financial potential of the exploding blogosphere. This genie will not be stuffed back in the bottle. I’m not predicting that dKos will soon sponsor a NASCAR auto, but the net is becoming more commercial all the time.
There’s an elephant in the room, however, when we’re discussing media reform, election funding and voting manipulation, etc. It may be that amurka is too broken to be fixed, at least without some painful catalyst. That’s how i see it.
Or the next Dylan is in his bedroom as we speak, crafting his next YouTube.
Hillary’s “one bombing a day” remark really pisses me off. Towing the Bush line on Iraq. Again.
Eli@139 and Badwater@133 – Alice Cooper lives about a block away from me; our kids go to the same school. A really nice and thoughtful guy actually. He would have loved his picture on your excellent post.
cbl @ 145
Heh. Thanks – it was meant to refer to this post as being an introduction to the paranoid little world that I inhabit…
mulligatawny @
144
Between his natural gas and electric bills, it appears that this is correct. Ed Schultz, who has obviously signed on with the Clintons for the duration, ran an interview with the guy who disclosed it this morning. Sounds like they obtained the information legally and that it is fairly accurate.
mulligatawny @ 144
Al Gore terrifies the right. This is classic Rove, a textbook play called “Attack on Strength” and “Repeat until True”. Exactly the same play run ad nauseum on John Kerry, attacking his status as a Purple-Hearted Vietnam war hero.
There was a diary about this on DailyKos today. What’s called for is an effective smackdown by Gore, but I don’t think he’s geared up for that yet since he’s not running a campaign.
Up to us to take care of this trash in the mean time.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 153
I thought that was Pickle’s line from last night!
Link?
Eli @ 102
I think there’s a lot of evidence that people simply aren’t getting news. Or more appropriately, they are absorbing some semblance of goings-on from a combination of snippets from all sources, mostly word-of-mouth by interested parties.
Eli @ 109
Developing some centralized, inherently biased, portal isn’t the answer. It’s each of us taking the time to make our bookmarks/blogrolls/feedlists available to everyone we encourage to abandon traditional media. If they’re not an internet person, set their homepage for them. Make it easy. Hell, even using news.google as a homepage is hundreds of times more informative, diverse and factual than turning to “traditional” media outlets.
Rayne @ 147
Okay. I have it opened up in another tab, and will check it out when the next post goes up. I think one absolute requirement should be a requirement for supermajority or consensus, so that the party with a majority on the board does not have absolute power.
Of course, if the board is composed of 5 wingnuts and 4 Liebermans…
Gore: home offices, big staff. No comparison to normal home energy usage. He needs to push back, hard.
Balrog @ 158
From Olbermann a few minutes ago. ;0)
The underlying problem is that the major media organizations are owned by very large corporations and very rich wingnuts, all of whom benefit from wealth-and-business-friendly Republican policies. That corporate and/or wingnut ownership exerts pressure on the editorial level to advance the Republican agenda, which in turn drives decisions on what gets reported and how prominently, who gets facetime on TV, and which reporters and columnists get hired, advanced, and fired.
Eli @ 160
3 Friedmen,
2 TurdBlossoms, and a
ClusterFuck ruining the country.
Thank you for that. I have tried to say the same sort of things in odd comments on blogs here and there. The media want ratings, but do not need them all that badly since there is no other channel on television, for example, telling the truth in competition.
So as not to give the game away E.J. Dionne and Eugene Robinson and Krugman and Olberman, but they are outnumbered 100 to 1 and consistently and deliberately so.
The internet is one answer, highly selective reading and viewing another. Bt sooner or later we (some mix of real journalists and progressives) are going to have to get a TV channel too. It will not be cheap and the advertisers will not support it.
Mr Snow:
Do you think the BBC’s penchant for clairvoyance is something the American media should strive for?
Unka Willbur @ 159
I can buy that. But again, those interested parties are getting their news from somewhere, and it’s probably not the internet.
That might work, maybe. There would probably need to be some reorganization to create a “Newbies Look Here For Truth” section, as distinct from more opinion/ranting-oriented blogs.
Eli,
this is a fantastic post, and so true…thanks for bringing back the truth to the biggest problem we have.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 23
It wasn’t me suggrsting a downward departure for Libby. I had an exchange with someone about downward departures and how you get tham, but I would be surprised to see one for Libby
Oklahoma kiddo @ 153
Please, & I mean no offense Okla kid, and pardon the pedantry if you would, but it’s “toeing the line.”
Here’s a pointer to oodles of places on the ‘net where this sort of thing is discussed…. http://tinyurl.com/2qecd5 and I’m sure there’re lots more.
Now back to our discussion of media… :)
Rafael @ 151
The capital costs would be fairly big, but the labor and other recurring costs might be worse. The main problem I see with this idea is that if it’s not a government entity, it’s very unlikely that the cable companies would agree to carry it. They’re very protective of their own turf. At one time, it was just about impossible to see the programs of one cable company on its rival’s system. It’s not quite so bad now, but I’m told that’s because the same people have some ownership of all the cable companies (I don’t know how true that is). The fact remains, though, that if the cable companies don’t want to carry your product, you’re left with few options. The government can require that its stations be carried on cable if it wants.
It strikes me as very impractical to set up a news system on broadcast TV nowadays. That would be a substantial capital investment, and it would probably have to be done in many increments over a long time.
The only thing I can think that might work here is to make the programs produced available to PBS and NPR stations, but how that would fit into the subscriber-based funding model, I’m not sure.
But I do think that subscriber-funded news might have its advantages if a medium can be found to carry it.
At minimum we could insist that PBS produced NewsHour and Washington Week do some quality control.
looseheadprop @ 169
See, I read “downward departure” as something completely different…
Balrog @ 164
Oh, my face!
The hard right does fear Gore. “Cause he’d beat ‘em. The hard right is promoting Senator Clinton for the nomination.
Eli @ 112
I’ll put the BBC against any television network in the World. It’s a bullwark of truth telling on TV for the whole world.
Eli – Great to see you take a high dive (triple gainer) into the lake.
ET, punaise KO is about to set the story straight on Gore. My first thought was Gore is spending extra cash for green technology at home.. KO suggested the same, we will know soon.
Olbermann is coming up with Al Gore energy use story…teaser is that buying green power costs more.
S.O.S. in MA @ 170
Please, & I mean no offense Okla kid, and pardon the pedantry if you would, but it’s “toeing the line.”
Here’s a pointer to oodles of places on the ‘net where this sort of thing is discussed…. http://tinyurl.com/2qecd5 and I’m sure there’re lots more.
Now back to our discussion of media… :)
I believe you are correct. Fact of the matter is, you are right ;0)
John Forde @ 176
Partly because it prides itself on its independence, and goes out of its way to prove that it’s not beholden to the government (much like our media goes out of its way to prove it’s not beholden to liberals). I have a hard time imagining that kind of esprit de corps in state-owned media here.
A bookmark file is just a text file, should be easy to download a simple program that would install bookmarks. Offer several by different people, A-listers, get KO to give up his, other big names, sort by style and content.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 177
thanks. from the DKos diary on that subject:
o/t
2 things
1. what is downward departure ??? the google gives me nothing but caselaw in pdf format – yuck
2. is Mary4, our Mary, Lawyer Mary from haloscan days ? ‘ cause I’ve been missing that Mary’s highly valued input for some time now, sure would be nice to know she has rejoined us : )
John Forde @ 176- Where do you get your information?
Ed*ard Teller @ 156
Which brings me back to my earlier question – what’s typical in Gore’s area for a house his size. This is one of the ways that falsehoods are spread around; just blurt out what sounds like a damning fact with no context. For all I know, Gore’s energy bill is so high because the hundreds of orphans he’s housing keep messing with the thermostats.
Or he could be heating his olympic-size outdoor pool in the middle of winter.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 175
Just like they were PETRIFIED of Dean in ‘04 — they knew he’d pulverize Bush. So (with their friends in THE MEDIA (Hmm where have I heard that topic being discussed)), they conspired to destroy him with the faked-up “Dean Scream” story. Go Al.
OT ,
while other stock exchanges lose value across the globe, Tehran Stock Exchange goes up..
http://www.tse.ir/qtp_27-04-20…..ndices.asp
Oklahoma kiddo @ 125
Management (at least of PBS) is not as bad as you are implying. The people there are in an impossible situation. The annual production subsidy from the federal government to PBS to make programs for a year, is less than NBC spends in ONE HOUR.
Why does PBS toe the corporate line? They have almost no other option.
LHP@169 – Well, somebody thought I was nuts, and I think they may have been right. Don’t know if you saw my post@45 above, but even without a downward departure I am starting to think any possible sentence, assuming conviction, is probably less than I was thinking and certainly less than most people are thinking.
cbl -I think M4 is not the original Mary..but Mary did pop in earlier this afternoon.
I’m sure the critics on tv of Gore’s energy use who also own large homes are disclosing their own energy use for a useful comparison, right? Snort.
cbl- yes, Mary aka Mary4 is that same one. She has been here recently, as our Mary, way past Haloscan days.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 179
Us pedants HAVE to be right. Can you imagine the humiliation if we were wrong? The mind boggles and my head explodes… :)
Cujo359 @ 149
What they didn’t mention is that President Gore voluntarily pays a premium for ‘green’ power.
CBL@183 – A downward departure is simply a fancy term of art in federal criminal sentencing practice indicating a reduction of the “presumptive” or normal sentence expected for that crime.
am entering the thread late, catching up on all of the other links—but this one hits home with me, so am jumping the thread.
10 years ago, my step-sister and i were sitting in my car (she lives out of town) continuing a conversation about her new job—-night copy editor at her newspaper where she had been a reporter for many years….she was disgusted and disillusioned and on the verge of quitting…..highly intelligent, top scholar at top women’s school in the country …….and her hands and all others’ were completely constrained, all orders came from chicago, micro-managed and had nothing to do with ‘the news’……she was choking out her words……that was ten years ago. is nothing new. it is a corporation, and like all corporations, you will have the status quo and have a few that linger beyond it……..those few are the ones that you listen to , that you encourage, and that you support…..cream always rises to the surface, the truth always comes out, etc…..all you can do is be someone that REPEATS the truth when you find it….support it by voicing it…and others will follow………that’s what i told her.
Is that a simile or a metaphor? :o)
I’d like to see PBS type broadcaster do a cover piece on these documentaries, illustrating how the practice of co-opting news for the sake of supporting and enabling war-crimes in the middle-east, has so thoroughly corrupted the news ethic of western journalism, that it is incapable of doing its job.
Peace, Propaganda and the Promised Land
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCL6WdnuNp4
Lebanon, Israel Facts the Media isn’t telling you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKq38COoTG8
John Forde @ 188
Seems I read somewhere that the Republicans (since Bush got in) have had quite an effect on who runs The Corporation for Public Broadcasting. Perhaps I’m wrong on this. I think they have also been cutting NEH funding.
Thanks for the clarification Valley Girl.
Eli, great analysis!
At least the Mark Foley case got wide publicity, thanks to a blogger. Right on!
crap!!!
thanks Eureka Springs and VG – and hey, mad props for your “Stalin’s grave” from yesterday – teh funny
ooh and thanks bmaz – I thought so but wanted to be sure;>
dmac @ 196
Sad. There are always exceptions, like KO and Krugman, who have somehow achieved favored status despite their… unfortunate political orientation, but I think most nails get hammered down like your step-sis.
jeffreyw @ 197
More like pathetic phallusy, methinx :o>
Dang, Eli!
I had a mondoesque post all queued and ready to roll, but you’ll essentially said what I was going to say, only better.
Upton Sinclair!
Most people do not get their news through reading, whether it be reading the newspaper or reading the internet. They do NOT read to get the news.
Their news comes from TV or radio. Until our views can be honestly represented on TV and radio, we will continually be playing catch-up.
S.O.S. in MA @ 204
More like Pathetic Phallusy, methinx :o>
Blushes like a beet, waves to montag.
Many things need doing to “fix” Media, but perhaps we should begin by looking at the business model, and working for a quite different one.
Currently Wall Street is demanding 20% return on investment, which has resulted in mergers, labor cost cutting, sell off of underperforming assets — and much else, that is responsive to the Capital demand — not to anything about quality press and media. Unless this is understood and corrected, I think it impossible to have a real change.
Three papers and periodicals I think most here respect, The Guardian, The Observer and The Nation — all have something in common, they are owned by non-profit organizations — Foundations they are called in the US, and Trusts in GB. In each case they were once family owned, and instead of being taken public in the Stock Market — they were donated on the death of the owner to a non-profit, thus reducing death taxes as the Brits call them, or inheritance tax as we express it.
So what we need is a tax law and a business model for operating all varieties of press on a not for profit basis that would do many things, but up front the values of good journalism, and the business incentives to re-invest income over operating requirements into enhanced reporting. Built into this could be the matter of breaking up media monoply and concentrated ownership, setting diversity requirements (a new kind of Fairness Doctrine) and many other such things we wish for. But I simply don’t think you can get from where we are now to a better model without dealing with the need to take Wall Street and the Profit motive out of the equation.
Have we done something like this before — sure, as a result of a Supreme Court Decision in the mid 1940’s we broke up the Hollywood system of vertical integration, wherein the studios owned the distribution houses as well as most of the first run theatres. It was declared an illegal monoply. Now I would not depend on the Judiciary to do that again at this time — but nothing should stop us talking up this bit of history, and comprehending that the same process could be applied legislatively to the News Media. In fact all Hollywood did to adjust (after they sold the downtown theatres) was to stop making B Movies for double features, and use the studio capacity to make Television Programs — such things as Leave it to Beaver and I Love Lucy, which they just sold to the networks. But it did make quality independent films available in a non-monoply distribution system.
OK Kiddo– nope, you are right @ 199.
it got way worse than this, too.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200506220009
Reinstate restrictions on media ownership.
Any West Wing fans here? (the show, not the building)
Back in 2004 in an episode entitled “Talking Points”, C.J. tries to get reluctant reporters to write about an FCC media-consolidation ruling that allows multimedia companies increased ownership of TV stations. The reporters on the show were not interested , nor was I at the time. Boy am I interested now.
Mea Culpa Aaron Sorkin.
Books Alive @ 201
Yeah, that was huge. I think that might have damaged the GOP as much as Iraq, as it pretty much blew their last remaining claims to the “family values” moral high ground out of the water, *as well as* any claim to be Bold Decisive Men Of Action.
Too bad it kinda morphed into a “gay scandal” instead of a pedophile (and coverup) scandal there at the end (It wasn’t the Republican congressmen! It was the conspiracy of gay staffers!).
Phoenix Woman @ 205
Sorry, PW. I noticed you mentioned you were thinking about a media post before, but I was already set on moving ahead with this one.
And yes, that Upton Sinclair quote is probably the most succinct and accurate explanation of our media ever written.
Valley Girl @ 192
Is Mary aka as Mary4 our brilliant lawyer Mary, who if I remember correctly somewhat distrusts Comey?
KestrelBrighteyes @
5
LOL…I’ve been doing this for several years now. Printing out a copy of something for myself and leaving it somewhere.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 184
I’m in the business- sort of – I host a show called ‘Mental Engineering’. We deconstruct TV commercials. We give the show away for free to the 100 or so PBS stations that carry the show.
A good source of information on public TV is Current.org . It’s the trade journal of public broadcasting.
John Forde @ 194
Or that the house is rather large (10k sf) and is not just his home but has offices and meeting rooms — which means that the utility price is actually pretty darned good for a building of that size and nature.
The full debunking of the smear can be found here.
Gore is a GIANT among Democrats and statespersons.
Sara @ 208
Even if we can’t force the media to become non-profits (and if they’re still run by Republicans, that won’t really help us much), would it be possible to create a non-profit, non-partisan media entity that could compete with the for-profit ones?
ohioblue @ 213
Yeesh! IIRC, it is from Comey that Fitz gets his entire plenary powers from. If Comey goes down or is untrustworthy, this would be a Bad Thing. I’d appreciate learning more… :)
Did anyone mention that Dick Cheney’s electricity bill was apparently $186,000 last year?
ohioblue @ 206
That’s why Air America is so important. And why we need a TV network as well.
Most Americans get their news on the run. They’re too busy working two jobs to read, unless they take the bus (and even then they’re probably snoozing because they’re so exhausted). If they don’t hear about it on drive-time radio or the evening TV news, it didn’t happen as far as they were concerned.
Wasn’t there something about Tomlinson, racehorses & public funding?
Phoenix Woman @ 221
AAR is important, but probably not enough, even within just the radio sphere. But it’s a hell of a lot better than having no liberal radio at all.
ohioblue -
yes, it was that Mary who pointed out Comey’s role in Padilla and/or Hamdan – and so I reluctantly deleted His Dreaminess as my screensaver
and hey Ken Tomlinson -
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/17/14510/029
ArcParser @ 220
That’s in the DailyKos diary I cited. Here ’tis!
Eli @ 218
What’s the revenue model? Subscription? The barrier to entry will be hundreds of millions of dollars. If you start a network you gotta fill 24 hours a day.
Web streamed video news is much more doable. In fact it’s so doable anyone of us can do it.
So Ann Coulter has risen from the dead? She usually looks like a zombie…
ArcParser @ 220
That Darth recharger requires a lot of juice.
ArcParser @ 220
Waal, the electrical wiring in that old Naval Observatory needs upgrading… and then there’s the electroshock room in the basement… there’s a split-phase 200V 50Amp service in there, yaknow… the water bill is thru the roof because of the two-tank waterboarding facility… these sorts of things are understandable. Nothing to see here folx, move along now.
John Forde @ 226
But can you reach tens of millions of Americans at one shot with web-streamed news?
Eli@223
I’ll vouch for “hell of a lot better than no liberal radio at all”, which is the situation I find myself in in Boston and New Haven, the two places I spend most of my time and which both lost their AAR outlets recently. It’s painful driving around with only rightwing political talk to listen to.
Unka Willbur,
Hey, I had an Uncle Wilbur. Nice to meet you!
A lot of people I talk to say they aren’t interested in politics. Politics is boring, hard, doesn’t affect them.
Molly Ivins gave a great example about eyeglass Rx only being good for a year now in Texas, and that was politics. We have to somehow make people aware that it affects everyone, every day.
S.O.S. in MA @ 219
Yeesh! IIRC, it is from Comey that Fitz gets his entire plenary powers from. If Comey goes down or is untrustworthy, this would be a Bad Thing. I’d appreciate learning more… :)
As I recall, Mary had some well thought-out reasons for distrusting Comey. Unfortunately, I don’t remember what they were, but I’m searching. Help, anyone?
Phoenix Woman @ 225
defibrillator charger, 24/7: $80k
high-security gurad tower lighting at family compound: $45k
Abu Graihb style torture apparatus in basement: undisclosed electrical consumption
The age-old answer to your question is: grassroots dissemination. When obvious lies by CNN-Cheney can be refuted with facts otherwise – CNN loses its power. But then the rich guy buys the grassroots organization and away we go again….
hail, Mary
ArcParser @ 231
I just don’t listen to radio. And if I did, it would probably just be music stations…
hee hee I thought his bill was reduced somewhat by the captured lightning.
“It’s alive! It’s alive!”
angie @ 209
Thank-you for reminding us of Tomlinson. ;0)
Three ways to fix the media:
1) Constitutional amendment that spells out “Lying is NOT protected speech.”
2) Requirement that any time a news report is proven false or misleading in a newspaper, said media source MUST offer a Correction AND Apology on the same page, same column placement, same headline font size, as the misleading article within 2 days of being proven false/misleading.
2a) Requirement that any time a radio or television report is proven false or misleading, said media source MUST offer a Correction AND Apology by the person who reported it at the time placement (leading story, third story, fifth story following the weather report, what have you) within 24 hours of being proven wrong.
3) That if any reporter, columnist, or editor has shown a pattern of printing or issuing misleading or false articles/reports, that person is barred from all forms of media (radio, television, books, internet pages/blogs, newspapers, magazines, flyers, cookbooks, what have you) for no less than 6 years.
punaise @ 234
I haven’t read through the post and comments yet, but Redd – I just want to tell you, you’ve ruined my sleep tonight with this breaking news. Ruined it. Madness! Madness! Madness! Of course, I presume there’ll be lot’s of tossing and turning in the various tents pitched around the lake these days. Looking for the smoke signals from the Jury’s tee pee. Was it white smoke or black smoke? Thank you, for the news. Pardon this interruption.
ironranger @ 222
yeppers.
(real nice to name horses after Afghan People like Hamid Karzai and Ahmed Shah Massoud, doncha think– nice touch– NOT)
http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..Id=5789681
He was also responsible for VOA and Alhurrah propaganda…
S.O.S. in MA @ 241
shocking!
Paul Wartenberg @ 240
Works for me.
But who decides what’s false, or worse yet, misleading?
It could just as easily be used as a club against *progressive* journalists, in the hands of the wrong people.
As for the horseracing charges, Tomlinson says his off-hours passion is only a minor diversion at work. He owns several horses...
Could “Heckuva job” Brownie, former president of a horse association, be involved?
Phoenix Woman @ 221 “Most Americans get their news on the run. They’re too busy working two jobs to read”
Pretty smart planning by the elite.
ohioblue @ 212
Yes.
Did Tomlinson name a horse after Chalabi?
No accountability again, he just resigned, probably applied to rightwing welfare & got some nice cushy “consulting” or thinktank job.
Paul Wartenberg @ 240
As much as I fear Constitutional amandment, this seems like a good one.
Anyone see any easy ways around it?
John Forde @216, Thanks for that link. :)
ohioblue @ 250
It’s kinda like a corollary to the truth being a defense against libel…
punaise @ 244
juiced! :)
Eli? Our Eli?
Excellent post, Eli, and very high quality comments, you all.
As for media – I don’t know what I would do without CBC radio, even though it has been suffering death by a thousand cuts over the past few years, and the Harper government would be just as happy to see it dead and buried. I think that public broadcasting has a huge role to play in countering the at least some of pernicious effects of the media “industry”.
yeah, aint it sweeeet !!!
egregious @ 254
If I can truly be said to be *anybody’s* Eli…
Eli, This is a great post! You have identified perhaps the most important mechanism that is contributing to the meltdown of US democracy and distilled the issues wonderfully. Thank you. I look forward to your next installment.
I found this yesterday when I was reading the WaPo, David Froomkin’s
http://niemanwatchdog.org/inde…..ndid=00156
I wish he ran the Washington Post!
I think you’ll really like this commentary, written on February 2, 2007.
It’s very credible and I suggest that you read it. There really are etical journalists!
Lots of good ideas posted but we are dealing with Republicons who are protecting their corporate cash cows.
How do we get these folks to admit they are a problem?
Shouldn’t the Government be included in a constitutional truth amendment? hehe
Wisconsin’s Russ Feingold says the Iraq bill his fellow Senate Democrats are working on is so weak that it “basically reads like a new authorization” of the war.
Phoenix Woman @ 230
Not all at once, but eventually. The bandwidth costs would be large, but with something like BitTorrent they could be reduced a lot.
One potentially cool thing about streamed news is that it could almost be the sort of passive activity we were talking about earlier. A streamed program can be minutes or hours long. With something like Flashmedia or Quicktime, they can be interactive, too.
It won’t reach millions of folks at once like a cable or broadcast network, but the startup costs would be much lower.
Bill Moyers for Public Broadcasting Chairman.
We can do this.
Back from the thing with the Senator. I bailed on the black cashmere at the last minute and went with my cherry suit and shoes and rubies, with a matching purse I found in Stockholm that EXACTLY matched the suit. Some of you will appreciate how great a discovery that was.
I am very proud to have the acquaintance of this senator, who gets it for both Iraq and Iran and who dearly loves our country. Wish I could tell you more but it’s generally off the record. Hey I’m not a journalist, except for a few hours at the courthouse :)
Good things are happening. Hope it’s fast enough.
Wasn’t it Jim Morrison who said “whoever controls the media controls the mind”?
Eli @ 257
We know, you’re taken.
Sigh…
jeffreyw @ 263
yep and then we can bring back Pat Mitchell as CEO of PBS if we want to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Mitchell
A new frontier for political discussion not mentioned here is “Virtual Worlds”. I just came from the Edwards campaign site in “Second Life” where there was quite a vigorous (if basic) discussion on why SwiftBoating only seems to come from the right. Of course it was a bit disconcerting to argue with an avatar that looked like a chipmunk.
Oh – and the other thing I wanted to say –
the internet is a very valuable source of information BUT not only does it take more time than many people have to ferret out reliable sources of information, it also takes a very high level of literacy skills. And a lot of people – way more than you would think – just don’t read well enough for print-based information sources to be useful to them.
I found this yesterday when I was reading the WaPo-David Froomkin’s column.
http://niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuse action=background.view&backgroundid=0015 6
I wish he ran the Washington Post!
I think you’ll really like this commentary, written on February 2, 2007.
It’s very credible and I suggest that you read it. There really are etical journalists!
But can you reach tens of millions of Americans at one shot with web-streamed news?
angie @ 267
Personally, I think the current PBS president, Paula Kerger, will take a bolder line in pursuing the public interest.
And one more little thing. When people are going on tv they are handed either a written speech or else talking points.
Dull, boring, and ridiculous would begin the analysis of these canned speeches.
Of course some of the pundit regulars already know to say things that are pre-approved and sterile so they don’t need to be handed anything.
Tula’s up.
Thanks for the great comments, everyone! This is exactly what I was hoping for. Very fun and exciting and, well, kinda exhausting…
egregious @ 272
True. There are a lot of right-wing freaks (and pseudo-liberal lamers) who *live* to be on TV, while people like Kos hate it.
We need more Cliff Schecters…
Can’t argue with a pro, care to elaborate?
Eli @ 273
Go ahead Eli and take the rest of the day off.
You’ve earned it.
egregious @ 276
I have a couple of things stacked up and waiting to be posted at my own blog, but they’re a lot lighter than this one…
I just gotta love this guy Feingold.
“I am working to fix the new proposal drafted by several Senate Democrats,” Feingold said in a statement this afternoon. “I will not vote for anything that the President could read as an authorization for continuing with a large military campaign in Iraq.”
Eli’s pregnant posts—
Kinda lo carb, lo calorie posts?
Lighter than air/floatable?
Better at dispensing the darkness?
cbl @ 183
Under the sentencing Guidelines a judge will get a calculayion in the pre-Sentence report that will have a Guidlined”score” and based on the score you can look up the sentecing “range’.
For example if your guidelines clculation puts your score at “level 1″ (one point) your sentencing range would be zero- to six months.
Let’s say your defendant has a raw guidelines claculation of level 14 for the offense charged.
However, he decides to plead guilty and accepts responsibilty for what he has done. He gets a virtually two point reduction in his guidelines score down to level 12.
Now let’s say he decides to cooperate with the government and provides information that helps the government, resulting in a 5K1 letter from the prosecution saying he has rendered “substantial assistance” to the prosecution. Based on that letter the court can depart downward.
Now, alternatively or in addition, the defense can put in evidence of mitgating circumstances, special hardships that will be visted upon innocent people (usually employees or other non family dpendants–though in the case where the defendant is the sole availbale caregiver to a disabled family memeber and hads ahistory of being a good caregiver, it can work) or that the defendant offers something unique to society that cannot be had from him if he is behind bars (think a surgeon who has pioneered a unique lifesaving operation htat no one else knows how to do) or some other factor that makes the harm to society greater if this person is incarcerated than if he is not, coupled with some alternative form od recompense to society (fines/ community service) are all reason that support a dpownward departute.
The biggest I have ever personally seen?
Once we got a 26 level downward departure from level 27 down to level 1. the defendant was sentenced to the max for level 1 (6 months) but it was a hell of alot better than where he started (around 14 years)
John Forde @ 271
Can you reach tens of millions of people in one shot now with any news channel? I doubt even Fox do that very often. The news is already fragmented, plus spread over five time zones.
There’s no fundamental limit I’m aware of in streaming other than the network bandwidth at the users’ end and round-trip times for packets. Teach people to download and then watch and even the latter issue isn’t a problem. I think a streaming news program that was easy to get to (IOW, widely known) and easy to use could potentially reach millions of people a day, provided it was willing to use a transport like BitTorrent and it didn’t have some onerous intellectual property protection scheme embedded in the stream.
egregious @ 279
More so the first two, although one of them could work for the last thing as well…
what i said
10 years ago, my step-sister and i were sitting in my car (she lives out of town) continuing a conversation about her new job—-night copy editor at her newspaper where she had been a reporter for many years….she was disgusted and disillusioned and on the verge of quitting…..highly intelligent, top scholar at top women’s school in the country …….and her hands and all others’ were completely constrained, all orders came from chicago, micro-managed and had nothing to do with ‘the news’……she was choking out her words……that was ten years ago. is nothing new. it is a corporation, and like all corporations, you will have the status quo and have a few that linger beyond it……..those few are the ones that you listen to , that you encourage, and that you support…..cream always rises to the surface, the truth always comes out, etc…..all you can do is be someone that REPEATS the truth when you find it….support it by voicing it…and others will follow………that’s what i told her.
what eli said
yeah, but the nail still remains after the board has rotted away……….
Hey, ELI!!!
PBS’ Frontline on right now talking about this.
watertiger @ 284
Ooo! Thanks for the tip!
Did they mention my post yet?
Our Mary, if she can truly be said to be *anybody’s* Mary… :) has been known to post under various Maryesque names including Mary4evah [sp?] so maybe that’s the one.
Examine for sheer intelligence, method, logic, and a wicked twist of snark along the way.
bmaz @ 189
Don’t forget you can still put in proof of uncharged culpable conduct and Pat made a reference in the rebuttal summation to Libby telling Cheney that Libby’s source was Russert, when both of them knew that his source was Cheney.
Sounds like witness tampering to me. Uncharged, yeah b/c then Pat would have needed to put Shooter on the stand. But can he use at at sentencing? Hmmmm? I wonder
watertiger @ 284
Well he’s psychic. What can I tell you.
Or psychotic, whatever.
egregious @ 288
You should hang out with him for a day.
“proof of uncharged culpable conduct”
Mmmmmm, delicious.
More like this.
egregious @ 288
Thank God it didn’t air yesterday…
watertiger @ 289
He should be so fortunate. Altho there is a rumor that a certain egregious person will be at Y2K. With the shoes.
lhp – thank you so much for your response on downward departures – hope you caught my anecdote about my two lawyer customers – can’t wait to have this one come up ;)
egregious @ 292
Tipping the scales *towards* going…
“Thank God it didn’t air yesterday”
What could he say, I learned it from Matt Cooper tomorrow?
—Fitz, alltime greatest hits
Eli @ 294
Jane? Jane? Chime in here honey, I think we’ve got the big fish!!!
wonderful post, Eli!
from yur neighbor.
oh, I see how it is. Eli goes uptown, gets all “substantial” ‘n sh*t, leaves his pun-buddies in the dust. It’s OK, really….
:~)
punaise @ 298
don’t. start.
I was going to make a comment about tipping the scales in the morning, following a splendid celebration of Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year’s, Candlemas, and Valentine’s Day but decided to take the higher road.
squirrel hiller @ 297
Hiya, SH! Good to see ya!
punaise @ 298
I was barely keeping up as it was…
Candlemas, now known by the religiously proper term Groundhog Day.
Six more weeks of winter no matter what.
Like if you treat a cold you’ll be better in 7 days, otherwise it’ll be a week.
Goal: End the Corporate monopoly on programming content. Turn it over to local community control. Use
• License Challenges galore
• Eminent Domain
in addition to severe limitations on Corporate ownership of media (one outlet per major market, no more than 5 major markets)
Remember, the most successful effort of the people against government was the full-spectrum American uprising against the FCC’s consolidation rules a few years ago. Every single section of the American public swamped their Electeds with protest.
That’s because every single section of socially/politically active people understand this fundamental rule:
MEDIA-AS-IS IS A PUBLIC ENEMY, NOT A PUBLIC GOOD
Build alliances across political divides, it can and should be done. We could break up big media in under a year if we wanted to.
punaise—
You don’t get it yet, do you?
You’re expected to make the next post after Late Nite.
Get to work, man!
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While facetious, if you DO come up with a good post please go ahead and send it to Christy with all proper begging and groveling. Seriously. If you are even capable of being serious which is a good question.
Frontline talking about bloggers. Check it out in your time zone.
egregious @ 304
gaaaaahhh!
(I’m a confirmed thread-dweller, content to take broadsides from the safety of the comments…)
John Forde @
188
John — I wasn’t referring to middle management. I’m talking specifically about the uppermost layers of management as cited in the Public Broadcasting Act of 1967, the layer that included Tomlinson and his direct management, the layer(s) that are laid down by politicos.
Until that uppermost layer of management is replaced with competent, capable, well-rounded people who understand that PBS is intended to serve the greater good as a commons belonging to the entire public, we are going to continue to have crappy one-sided product no matter how much or how little money is available for content creation.
While there is a lot of content that is not political, there is so much content that is shaded by the political nuances of the current administration, produced in such a way that it doesn’t offend the right at the expense of knowledge. This has to change; it’s simply not serving America if it cannot really learn the truth about its place in the world.
Pat_AlexVA @ 242
I doubt it is a verdict. There is no reason for the judge to have held the jury in thrall for an additional night if they had sent a note saying they has reached a verdict
Speeches. Including the SOU rebuttal. And with that I bid you goodnight.
eg- punaise is perfectly capable of being serious. But that was before you arrived at FDL. cause/ effect? ;)
Hey VG — did you manage to get into ePM? I just realized going back through my bargeload of email from the past two weeks that Cho sent it to MY attention and cc’d you, instead of the other way around. Let me know if you still have a problem. Cho’s out of pocket this week, will take it up with another ePM member.
Aggravating about the USA’s — another story with grossly inadequate coverage by the media. I see TPM mentions that the USA-NM is calling a press conference tomorrow. Hmm.
Thanks for spelling out the problem so well. The media magicians are unaccountable and out of control. I mean, the spreading Abramoff scandal should be major news. Where’s the scandal over Halliburton? No bid contracts and unregulated contractors? Cheney is a walking dirt ball of scandal. On and on.
I think Edwards gets it, and Obama gets it. I can think of worse Prez/VP tickets.
Education = Sunlight, the best disinfectant.
punaise @ 306
Hey!
If I can go to a political event and Talk With People™ creating severe psychic damage [I was thinking to myself, but hey maybe to others as well why not] the least you can do is consider writing a post. Altho I haven’t taken this advice meself so why shd you?
Valley Girl @ 310
Apparently I send a lot of people over the edge.
But I ran off the cliff first! I want credit for being crazier than the rest of you!
Clay @ 312
Edwards might “get” the media, but his handling of the Donohue/Malkin attacks on his bloggers show that he still doesn’t really understand how right-wing smears work, or how to respond to them. Still too early to tell with Obama.
if one is worried about an attack on Iran and what our Dems have to say about it, read this:
http://www.tompaine.com/articl…..n_talk.php
Valley Girl @
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You’re a Bradblogger? *s* ME TOO!!! How cool is that?
egregious – I agree. Your dinner(?) companion is definitely one of the good guys.
You should link to a pic of you in your red suit, etc.
Rayne @ 307
Tomllinson was head of CPB, the funding agency. It was supposed to act as a ‘heat shield’ against political pressure, but instead it acted like a heat transmiter.
Kerger is head of PBS. Most people think of PBS as a network but it is a membership organization of the 349 publiic TV stations.
From the producer’s perspective, public TV is more entreprenurial than commercial networks. If the commercial networks like your show they buy it and all it’s rights. Then they sell the ad space.
In public TV the producer has to give the show away for free to the public TV stations. But the producer controls the ad space. It’s called ‘video underwriting’.
Given that we analyze TV commercials (often humorously) it’s tough for us to get a sponsor.
ohioblue @ 317
No can do. I’m semi incognito.
LHP@287 – Yep, I agree with the uncharged conduct aggravator, but didn’t get that far because I realized I was driving bamboo shoots into my brain for no reason without knowing specific charges convicted on. The process is to mind numbing to go through for multiple hypotheticals. I started out wanting to provide an educated answer for folks that were bandying about 10,20 and 30 year sentences; hopefully I did accomplished that with my various incarnations from 2.5-5 years as the range likely. Do you have a thought on the multiple count grouping; that is where I called it quits last night (a decision made easier by my daughter wanting to play a game).
Eli @
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I LOVE THE FREEWAY BLOGGER!!!!
Who among us does not love the Freeway Blogger?
Wow this Eli guy is smart! And I know him!
Great post Eli, and so many great comments.
I look at why the media is screwed up and who was behind it. The media is manipulated all the time. Both subtly and forcefully. Most people have no idea the level of this manipulation.
Ask yourself:
Which group beats up the media all the time and makes them timid? Who pays them?
Which group suggests cut backs on reporters so we can do more Anna Nicole Smith stories?
Why did these groups do this? Have they succeeded? Is there a way to impact them?
I like what someone said about about supporting journalists.
I also like the comment about not ignoring the power of talk radio.
Next election we should be feeding the real good journalists information.
Well done, Eli. (BTW, he pinches!)
Thanks, spocko! I know this is kind of your beat.
egregious @ 319
OK – then lop your head off. I always think your clothes sound interesting.
ohioblue @ 325
That’s an awfully… extreme clothes fetish you’ve got there…
john forde
A good source of information on public TV is Current.org . It’s the trade journal of public broadcasting.
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your show is appearing here………on fridays, late evening.
john forde
A good source of information on public TV is Current.org . It’s the trade journal of public broadcasting.
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your show is appearing here….se ohio…..on fridays, late evening.
Outstanding piece on one of those extra dear to my heart topics. Though I certainly have no answers after nearly 7 years of banging my head against the wall in lieu of smashing my tv, the only thing that makes sense at this point as I’ve done the whole phone call/letter writing exercise in futility, is that somehow we figure out how to get them in their pocketbooks. I rail and scream at them on a daily basis but it’s occurred to me more than once that if I shut them down, maybe it would make a difference. That, of course, is a wild fantasy as it wouldn’t change a thing. But what if we all did? Can we go after them from a corporate sponsor angle? In a meaningful way? Sure, we have Media Matters and Fair.org but do we have any real evidence that their noble efforts have made any real difference? Maybe I’ve missed it and if so, the whole thing is even scarier than I’d thought. And how in the world would what amounts to a huge boycott even be organized? Maybe that’s why it hasn’t been attempted; again, I have no answers. But if it’s the hydra we want to go after, we’ve got to cut off its head.
Thanks so much for focusing on this issue. The more light we can shine on the loss of a free press and expose what’s behind their iron curtain, the sooner the blinders of those who cannot see will be ripped away. And then the sheeple will have no excuse for their chosen ignorance.
Rkymtnmary @ 330
Thanks! I think one of the fundamental questions here is, *can* this be fixed using only people power, or does it require legislative action? If the latter, we could be in serious trouble.
But in either case, we still need to identify the best strategies. And by “best”, I mean, least co-optable/corruptible.
Excellent, Eli.
Two things to throw into the mix:
1. The amount of the obscene level of campaign cash that recycles right back to the corporate-subsidiary media in the form of extremely costly television campaign commercial airtime purchases. We need to stop financing corporate television with our political donations, while simultaneously removing the power that the ad campaign money holds over our Members of Congress, helping to enslave them to self-interested deep pockets to the detriment of the public interest they purportedly and superficially serve. Political campaigns should be much shorter, and should have free airtime, within defined limits (somewhere/somehow in the reformed media world).
2. Perhaps in addressing this media corruption issue (ideally through Congressional action of some insightful sort), a distinction should be drawn between those media outlets that possess national coverage power and those outlets with a much more limited local or regional reach. Thus the Associated Press would have more restrictions and standards to adhere to than the Cleveland Plain Dealer, for example. Same with national network television (and radio) broadcasts, as opposed to the local/regional news broadcasts. [Via a new “Public Square Law” of some sort?]
I think it’s truth and facts, not just reality, that have a “liberal” bias these days…
My head, or brain, is my best feature. So no lopping if you please.
Spocko in da house!!
Reinstate the ban on pharma ads to consumers.
Ban repeat of the same ad on the same program.
Salary cap for pundits.
pow wow @ 332
I will probably be addressing your first point, at least tangentially, in my next post.
As for your second point, I hope you don’t plan to let local/regional media off the hook. Dickie Scaife’s Pittsburgh Tribune-Review has been a veritable anti-Clinton, anti-Democrat smear factory, and other local media can pump just as much misinformation, propaganda, and right-wing opinion content into their territory as national media can pump into the country as a whole.
Eli! What a nice surprise and a very well expressed post. Media smedia.
eg “But I ran off the cliff first!”
A small joke about our session with Cliff Schecter.
He be cool.
Eli @ 335
Perhaps only if that was the price we had to pay to get reforms through Congress. Because if a national television broadcast full (relatively-speaking) of facts and truth followed or led into a local broadcast of propaganda, the contrast at least would be obvious. But then, newspapers can dominate a local/regional market of ideas more than television can, I suppose, as your example illustrates. So maybe newspapers need more focus on a local/regional (and not just a national) level than television broadcasts do.
Ideally this would all be thoroughly examined by an expert and objective Congressional committee, before legislation was proposed. But as you say, we may well be in trouble if that’s in fact our only way ‘out’ of this nightmare of a media quagmire.
pow wow @ 338
We’re doomed.
looseheadprop @
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So I’m puzzled where you are finding all these reductions for Libby?
He hasn’t been cooperative in the investigation of the leak of the identity of a classified Intelligence Officer.
That would seem to be something equivalent to someone who knows about a plot to out undercover narcotics agents refusing to reveal who in the police is passing on that information to the Cali Mafia?
The fact that this person was also quite aware of the illegality of the acts – having a High Level Security clearance would seem to counter-mitigating.
Throw in the fact that his “alibi” essentially threw blame onto an innocent individual (Russert)…
That his acts resulted in another individual going to jail for several months…unnecessary if he had testified honestly…
That he is a high government official…
and that his acts appeared to be related to protecting other high government officials…
…that his efforts were negligent to the point where any reasonable person would have realized that his actions posed a risk to US National Security…relating to nuclear weapons and terrorism
Libby’s lawyers testified that Libby was particularly aware of the risks of terrorists obtaining WMD’s…yet he acted to expose a counter-proliferation officer and her operations. These acts, as he was told, potentially endangered the lives and operations of sources and agents, as well as potentially enabling terrorists and rogue nations to obtain nuclear, biological or chemical weapons due to disabled covert operations.
The only “mitigating factor” I see is that he has a wife and two kids. But his Attorney Wells has stated that “Libby is in my care, give him back to me” Perhaps Wells could care for them…since he was caring for Libby? Libby is hardly indigent, having tens of millions of dollars raised for his defense. His wife is well paid. The children don’t appear to have issues where the fathers presence is necessary to keep them from walking down the road of delinquincy. Other poorer criminals would get little attention for much more pressing cases of dependency.
Assessment of his testimony indicates that Libby lied repeatedly…in his two GJ appearances and both his FBI interviews. In other cases he suffered widespread “memory lapses” that subverted the ability of investigators to determine whether a crime had been committed, and, if so, by whom. He was not forthcoming with an impotant document that was subpoenaed and withheld from the FBI.
I’m not sure where all these point reductions come from…all I see are enhancements.
In addition, why should the sentences run concurrently?
Mommybrain @
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ValleyGirl -My Daddy was a newspaper man too though at least a generation or more earlier than yours no doubt. He would agree “we handed the narrative over” but he and a handful of other reporters, mostly independently, inspired others in their peer group of seasoned newsmen of the era. It was remarkable and certainly unique in that so many “old” newsmen and women survived through the decade that preceeded the JFK/Johnson administration. FWIW my Dad did not anticipate nor admit his generation of reporters were fast becoming the exception to the old rule until he truly retired and began writing his memoirs.
It was the Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas drama when we were both glued to the hearings and coverage that led to his realization that his beloved field was no longer recognizable. In a guest commentary in our local daily paper he encouraged young print reporters committed to their craft to be the conscience and defenders of their readers right to know the unvarnished truth, anticipating with trepidation the dangers of what we post=moderns know or fear is dominated by spin and stenography.
So here is a tip of the hat to all you great guys and gals of pluck and talent – Murray Waas immediately springs to mind and we have others here and throughout the tubes whose personal integrity and truth tellng informs and illuminates their reportage in these otherwise terrifying times of our endangered Republic.
Eli, this is a wonderful post, and I am sorry to be so late to this thread. It’s my favorite subject, partly because I have a cross-platform media solution that we must encourage TradMed to implement: The Deborah Howell Theory of Ombudsing.
No media critic backstops her own management more slavishly. In so doing, she exposes herself — and her employer — to swift repartee and ridicule. If anyone has missed the initial wrongness of the topic she undertakes to ombuds, by the time she’s done it’s lavishly transparent.
I wish we could clone Deb, or at least mindmeld her with TradMed’s inhouse media critics everywhere.
Random thoughts from watching Frontline:
It looks like the greedy folks will suck any financial value and all life out of the old model newspapers.(the source of most investigative journalism)
It’s difficult to see what will replace the reporter on the ground as they will likely cost more than anything else in internet platforms. Yahoo and Google are avoiding that cost like the plague.
I sit here now with the web in hand and the television across the room just waiting for the remote and the keyboard to merge. It’s going to happen as soon as broadband is in everybodys home.
Must be at least as many people looking to subvert the potential of the web as we look forward to the potential good. (in addition to what we have)
We need to fight for very firm net neutrality footing in a proactive way instead of responding to anti net neutrality proposals by the big players.
I agree with various comments above that include concerns about people with problems of literacy or folks who just don’t have enough time to sort through the net as we know it for the whole story, but that has more to do with ethics and honesty, no matter the platform.
and so on and so forth…..
What will replace the reporter on the ground?
To quote Edina Monsoon, “Pee-Ahhh, dahling — PR!!”
Eli @ 339
could well be.
;(
I hope for something completely different from our young Nation.
TeddySanFran @ 342
Debbie Howell fulfills her ombuds role in much the same way that the media fulfill theirs.
from today’s chat with “Mr. Media”
Riesz Fischer @
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We can get organized, and some are. John Aravosis has conclusively demonstrated the power of addressing corporatists and sponsors directly — people who need our money and don’t want our feelings hurt. Most recently, his Snickers campaign about the SuperBowl (and web-extended) homophobic commercials got swift response, especially when he focused on the reclusive Mars family’s contributions to the GOP and death-tax repeal.
John got Microsoft and Ford to change course, as well.
Deb is a meta-omboid.
TeddySanFran @ 343
Oh Edhe, get someone else to do it. Have some Bali.
i’ve always thought we should boycot their products. i dropped cable years ago because of faux news. it’s kind of refreshing getting only 2 channels and pbs.
another thing i do is when fdl has a post that i think my liberal am radio host can use i send it to her(lynne cullen 1360 in the pgh area).
and finally i believe in bumper stickers. might as well use that penguin killing, iceberg melting, global warming machine, the automobile for something good.
s. hiller – I noticed a sharp increase in the number of times I get pulled over in relation to bumper stickers. I bought a new truck and drove through Texas back in Clintons first presidential election with his name on a bumper sticker. Simple and clean etc..
After a few days as hard headed (DFH inside) that I am, I gave up and ripped that sticker off.
Eureka– were you speeding or just driving in the slow lane minding your own DFH bizness?
Excellent as always, Eli!!!
squirrel hiller
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my bumper sticker says:
when you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember what you said
and christy-i found it in west virginia
Arrrgh, I’m sorry I’m so late to the party, Eli. This is a wonderful post and thread. You have named and beautifully described the elephant in the room (no pun intended), the one that is so hard to face because it means the game is fixed and there are no honest refs to whom to appeal. (Hence we keep hitting our heads against the wall and wondering why no one pays any attention and nothing changes….)
The one thing I can’t get my mind around is that so many people have to be complicit to make this work. I understand that the true ideologues will thrive under the rules you describe, but what about the others–are they so witless, so carefully chosen and groomed, or just kept so well fed and happy that they continue to do their keepers’ bidding?
Anyway, thank you for this terrific food for thought and for the hopeful suggestions about how we fight back. (I guess if we suggest it should be spotlighted we missed the point….)
angie @ 352
Definately minding my own DFH bizness. I was on a business trip and never got a speeding ticket or even a warning. Also a lot of strangers would come out of nowhere very upset about the sticker. I don’t mind dissenting views but when a stranger pops out of a parking lot ready to throw down over a freaking bumper sticker..well, sometimes I am just to busy to educate..)
Deep in EPU territory, but still have to say this is a great post, Eli. Corporate media will always support the Republican corporate shills.
City Girl – Complicity for a paycheck….
Finally, a topic I know a little bit about – The Media. My father owned a chain of newspapers back in the 50s, 60s, 70s. They were small local newspapers that focused on hometown news, but they covered national and international news as well. I remember my father laughing over the fact that, as editor, he could print only the good news about Republicans and only the bad news about Democrats. He wasn’t a bad man. In fact he was a quiet, gentle man who simply wanted to influence people to do what he believed was right. Much the way I try to influence people to be liberal and progressive. (Sorry, Dad.) Besides, what was going on back in those days was small potatoes anyway.
I also remember a very prophetic article, published around 1990 by either the Atlantic Monthly or Harpers, about how small Ma’n’Pa newspapers like my Dad’s were being swallowed up by bigger and bigger corporations. The article predicted that by 2000 the media would be owned by a mere handful of mega-corporations, whose only purpose was to make money; by law they had to make money for the shareholders.
That’s exactly what happened to the newspapers my father so lovingly crafted. He owned them, but he was right there in the newsroom whenever the press went down, working long hours to get them up and running in time for the next day’s delivery. After he sold them they were degraded into shoppers. But hey that’s what made the money.
Twenty years ago, 90% of the media – which includes newspapers, magazines, television, radio, books, recordings, movies and now the Internet – was owned by about 50 companies. It is now owned by 5, exactly as predicted. You can be absolutely certain that what those 5 monsters are doing is making money for their shareholders. And because the GOP is the corporate party, it is also the party of the media. When they print something about Republicans today you KNOW it’s only what makes them look good.
Politicians have always been corrupt and they always will be. But the media, for the most part, has always been fair. Now, however, with such consolidated ownership, it is every bit as corrupt as the politicians. That is our problem.
And it is OUR problem, our responsibility. So here’s my advice. Stay informed, verify everything, keep looking for the truth. Fight to keep the Internet free. Fight to take back the media. Fight to control the airwaves, which is public property anyway.
As historian Howard Zinn said, no leader ever changed anything. It was the people who demonstrated and marched that made the changes.
It would be nice if there was a major 24/7 progressive news TV station to counterbalance Faux News. Maybe there is one already and I’m just not aware of it. The ACLU is always saying that the remedy for speech you don’t like to hear is the exercise of your right to counterspeech. The obvious problem is that if you don’t like Faux News you need to have your own zillion-dollar megaphone. So we should each pony up our share of a zillion dollars, buy out some cable TV channel, and make Keith Obermann the permanent primetime anchor. And every hour of programming should include a segment exposing a different lying Republicon propagandist. That way we’d never run out of material.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 357
I ask because I drove the southern route twice cross country– TX was not very kind to me as a single woman, but Arkansas was brilliant and caring.
(though there was one curious man in a lab coat at Sears in TX when I had driven off from some crazies in AZ who said I needed new tires and he pulled out his tire gauge and said, “why are you asking me this?”, and I said “just because”. He said “you’re fine– get on out of here” and winked.
Correction: The media conglomerates are constantly fluctuating. They are now owned by 7. They are: Disney, CBS, Time Warner, News Corp, Bertelsmann AG, Viacom and General Electric.
Excellent post, Eli – glad to see you getting the well-deserved exposure.
Please get a new thread for this topic.
have the news come from fully autonomous producer-reporter crews in the field working as independent contractors, taking bids from networks competing for their live fed with offers of dollars and viewers in real time … viewers choose their news with their remote …
(from the 80s tv show Max Headroom, thank you very much.)
no same ownership of any tv, cable, radio or daily newspaper in any two contiguous markets.
no television political advertising.
no pharma rx advertising.
well-funded and independent public broadcasting and webcasting subsidizing permanent media analysis-and-critic