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		<title>By: JEP</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/27/still-waiting-in-prettyman/#comment-527083</link>
		<dc:creator>JEP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t suggest for a moment that the Libby case even comes close to an issue where the jury would have to create law to achieve justice. The laws Libby broke are the kind that relate to national security and public trust in an elected government, not personal habits.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t suggest for a moment that the Libby case even comes close to an issue where the jury would have to create law to achieve justice. The laws Libby broke are the kind that relate to national security and public trust in an elected government, not personal habits.</p>
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		<title>By: JEP</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/27/still-waiting-in-prettyman/#comment-527058</link>
		<dc:creator>JEP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If the lawyers and the prosecutors and the judges didn’t have so many easy-money drug laws, the gravy in the train would thin dramatically.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jury nullification, when there is an informed and intelligent jury, could cover a multitude of legislative sins.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But how often are juries instructed that they can, essentially, create their own precedent, if they all agree?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The drug laws Mason refers to were made and upheld by a dysfunctional government, creating a war against our own citizens. IMHO, for this moment in time, the nullifying jury might be the only course to real justice until that dysfunction can be remedied. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, it is not to the benefit of the legal system as a whole to promote real justice, if it thins out their gravy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the lawyers and the prosecutors and the judges didn’t have so many easy-money drug laws, the gravy in the train would thin dramatically.</p>
<p>Jury nullification, when there is an informed and intelligent jury, could cover a multitude of legislative sins.</p>
<p>But how often are juries instructed that they can, essentially, create their own precedent, if they all agree?</p>
<p>The drug laws Mason refers to were made and upheld by a dysfunctional government, creating a war against our own citizens. IMHO, for this moment in time, the nullifying jury might be the only course to real justice until that dysfunction can be remedied. </p>
<p>However, it is not to the benefit of the legal system as a whole to promote real justice, if it thins out their gravy.</p>
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		<title>By: TRex</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/27/still-waiting-in-prettyman/#comment-526272</link>
		<dc:creator>TRex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I just came from yoga class.  It was great!  I managed to not shred the little mat with my giant talons or knock anybody over by swishing my huge scaly tail.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It was really nice of them to have class in an airplane hangar for me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So!</p>
<p>I just came from yoga class.  It was great!  I managed to not shred the little mat with my giant talons or knock anybody over by swishing my huge scaly tail.  </p>
<p>It was really nice of them to have class in an airplane hangar for me.</p>
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		<title>By: TRex</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/27/still-waiting-in-prettyman/#comment-526268</link>
		<dc:creator>TRex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;*crickets*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*crickets*</p>
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		<title>By: TRex</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/27/still-waiting-in-prettyman/#comment-526258</link>
		<dc:creator>TRex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Aw, shit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dude, you pissed off the red haired lady.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;*runs for cover*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, shit.</p>
<p>Dude, you pissed off the red haired lady.</p>
<p>*runs for cover*</p>
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		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/27/still-waiting-in-prettyman/#comment-526246</link>
		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mason at 202 — You think an argument in favor of jury nullification — which is a perversion of the juducial process — is going to go unchallenged on a blog where a former prosecutor writes?  Thank again.  You don’t like the laws?  The remedy is to lobby your elected representatives to change them.  Jury nullification is, and always will be, cheating.  And some fo the most violent murders and crimes that I have seen over the years had a drug component to them — so I call bullshit.  You want to make a difference?  Work with kids at a young age who are at risk so that they have early intervention and stay out of the criminal justice system altogether.  Call your elected representatives and ask for more funding for early intervention programs and for more appropriate penalties.  But jury nullification?  That’s just wrong — you are asking a jury to cheat because you don’t feel like working on a solution that comports with the rule of law.  Which is, pretty much, what we castigate Dick Cheney and George Bush for not doing as well, and rightly so.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s just complete and utter crap.  And if you’d spent any time whatsoever dealing with violent criminals, child rapists or the like — who on any number of occasions do their crimes while coked up or drunk off their asses — you’d know that.  And having worked as defense counsel for any number of indigent defendants through the years, I have a very good idea of all of the ramifications of our policies — but the remedy is to change how things work, not be a cheater, not subvert the rule of law.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mason at 202 — You think an argument in favor of jury nullification — which is a perversion of the juducial process — is going to go unchallenged on a blog where a former prosecutor writes?  Thank again.  You don’t like the laws?  The remedy is to lobby your elected representatives to change them.  Jury nullification is, and always will be, cheating.  And some fo the most violent murders and crimes that I have seen over the years had a drug component to them — so I call bullshit.  You want to make a difference?  Work with kids at a young age who are at risk so that they have early intervention and stay out of the criminal justice system altogether.  Call your elected representatives and ask for more funding for early intervention programs and for more appropriate penalties.  But jury nullification?  That’s just wrong — you are asking a jury to cheat because you don’t feel like working on a solution that comports with the rule of law.  Which is, pretty much, what we castigate Dick Cheney and George Bush for not doing as well, and rightly so.</p>
<p>That’s just complete and utter crap.  And if you’d spent any time whatsoever dealing with violent criminals, child rapists or the like — who on any number of occasions do their crimes while coked up or drunk off their asses — you’d know that.  And having worked as defense counsel for any number of indigent defendants through the years, I have a very good idea of all of the ramifications of our policies — but the remedy is to change how things work, not be a cheater, not subvert the rule of law.</p>
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		<title>By: Mason</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/27/still-waiting-in-prettyman/#comment-526211</link>
		<dc:creator>Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-525886&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;CancerCures @&lt;br /&gt;
                34              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Edward @ 24 , it’s more than color - it’s usually economic factors. The whites in jail come usually come from poor backgrounds, just like any other race.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t overlook the economics. Why is it we are seeing an overall increase in people incarcerated? People aren’t getting more racist - others are getting poorer.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The so-called criminal justice system is a war against the poor. Approximately 90% of all defendants charged in criminal cases in state and federal courts aren’t able to afford counsel. The courts appoint public defenders and private counsel who are willing to work for substantially reduced fees that won’t even cover their overhead expenses.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There was a time not so very long ago when federal prosecutors devoted much of their time to investigating corporations for illegal activities. By recently firing 9 United States Attorneys for “performance related issues” just a few months after they had received excellent performance evaluations, Attorney General Gonzales has delivered a powerful and foreboding message to federal prosecutors across the country: You will be fired if you investigate and prosecute corporations and Republicans who support Bush and Cheney’s criminal dictatorship.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Meanwhile half the people serving sentences in our nation’s prisons were convicted of drug offenses and half of them were convicted of marijuana offenses. Almost 800,000 people were arrested for marijuana offenses in 2005. With 2.5 million people in our nation’s prisons, isn’t it time to say, “ENOUGH!”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Think about that the next time you sit as a juror in a drug case. Think, JURY NULLIFICATION!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-525886"><em>CancerCures @<br />
                34              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Edward @ 24 , it’s more than color &#8211; it’s usually economic factors. The whites in jail come usually come from poor backgrounds, just like any other race.</p>
<p>Don’t overlook the economics. Why is it we are seeing an overall increase in people incarcerated? People aren’t getting more racist &#8211; others are getting poorer.</p>
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<p>The so-called criminal justice system is a war against the poor. Approximately 90% of all defendants charged in criminal cases in state and federal courts aren’t able to afford counsel. The courts appoint public defenders and private counsel who are willing to work for substantially reduced fees that won’t even cover their overhead expenses.</p>
<p>There was a time not so very long ago when federal prosecutors devoted much of their time to investigating corporations for illegal activities. By recently firing 9 United States Attorneys for “performance related issues” just a few months after they had received excellent performance evaluations, Attorney General Gonzales has delivered a powerful and foreboding message to federal prosecutors across the country: You will be fired if you investigate and prosecute corporations and Republicans who support Bush and Cheney’s criminal dictatorship.</p>
<p>Meanwhile half the people serving sentences in our nation’s prisons were convicted of drug offenses and half of them were convicted of marijuana offenses. Almost 800,000 people were arrested for marijuana offenses in 2005. With 2.5 million people in our nation’s prisons, isn’t it time to say, “ENOUGH!”</p>
<p>Think about that the next time you sit as a juror in a drug case. Think, JURY NULLIFICATION!</p>
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		<title>By: Canuck Stuck in Muck</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/27/still-waiting-in-prettyman/#comment-526209</link>
		<dc:creator>Canuck Stuck in Muck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Coming soon to a theatre near you:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“SIXTH SENSE MEETS COURT TV”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Most memorable line from the movie?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“I see guilty people…”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming soon to a theatre near you:</p>
<p>“SIXTH SENSE MEETS COURT TV”</p>
<p>Most memorable line from the movie?</p>
<p>“I see guilty people…”</p>
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		<title>By: Swopa</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/27/still-waiting-in-prettyman/#comment-526172</link>
		<dc:creator>Swopa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-526056&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;emptywheel @ 178&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-526047&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;CityGirl @ 172&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;From the WaPo’s Reliable Source column today:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;� With a massive snowstorm canceling Sunday flights out of Chicago, how did Very Special Prosecutor (and former People mag “Sexiest Man Alive” runner-up) Patrick Fitzgerald make it to the Scooter Libby trial at 9:30 yesterday morning? “Alternate means,” he told our colleague Carol Leonnig, meaning: He drove. All 15 hours or whatever! Whatta guy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/26/AR2007022601856.html&quot;&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01856.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Damn, more dedicated than I am!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh wait, he’s running this show.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think this explains why he was in a sour mood yesterday, though.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe y’all should offer to let him stay at the Plame House for the weekends.  Make him pay his way by posting at FDL. ;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-526056"><em>emptywheel @ 178</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-526047"><em>CityGirl @ 172</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>From the WaPo’s Reliable Source column today:</p>
<p>� With a massive snowstorm canceling Sunday flights out of Chicago, how did Very Special Prosecutor (and former People mag “Sexiest Man Alive” runner-up) Patrick Fitzgerald make it to the Scooter Libby trial at 9:30 yesterday morning? “Alternate means,” he told our colleague Carol Leonnig, meaning: He drove. All 15 hours or whatever! Whatta guy.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/26/AR2007022601856.html">http://www.washingtonpost.com/&#8230;..01856.html</a></p>
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<p>Damn, more dedicated than I am!</p>
<p>Oh wait, he’s running this show.</p>
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<p>I think this explains why he was in a sour mood yesterday, though.</p>
<p>Maybe y’all should offer to let him stay at the Plame House for the weekends.  Make him pay his way by posting at FDL. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Pat_AlexVA</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/27/still-waiting-in-prettyman/#comment-526155</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat_AlexVA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I got my JCL manual out and was gonna write some for ya, then I thought the IPL reference would suffice.  My first code change was Fortran IV.  We had IF but no ELSE clause.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;JoyB, you’ve ID’d yourself as understanding IPL.  We’ve got your number.  :-)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got my JCL manual out and was gonna write some for ya, then I thought the IPL reference would suffice.  My first code change was Fortran IV.  We had IF but no ELSE clause.</p>
<p>JoyB, you’ve ID’d yourself as understanding IPL.  We’ve got your number.  :-)</p>
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